Interesting how you disregard the many times Gen. Smedley Butler talks about all the corrupt invasions that our Gov. did for corporate greed that killed off millions of people. I can see that you feel a part of this devilish society. May God have mercy on your soul, because your going to need it.
@Jackwagn2 Well, there is so much information concerning this subject you probably could read for years. I would suggest you start by reading the book, "Killing Hope", by William Blum.
@Jackwagn2 I guess your just like most people, easily manipulated and not
questioning of authority. You need to start doing your own research and look at what both sides to the issues say instead of just listening to the presstitutes and the dogma they produce to get us to spend more money on wars and make more money for the corporations.
@mdreiger Presstitutes might be vile and out to trick us ... but, as luck would have it, still be right. You have a bad habit of ad hominem attacks. the press, corporations and even the devil might say the right things for the wrong reasons.
@Jackwagn2 I call them as I see them. If someone is honorable, I'll call them that. if their a scumbag, I'll call them a scumbag. As for the media, so many of the top people are liars and bought and paid for they are presstitutes. ...and I noticed that you've conveniently not responded to what General Smedley Butler said, which supports my position.
@mdreiger Did Semdley Butler say that our involvement in the world wars was wrong? LOL ... I suppose Fascism and Communism were no threat to our homes!
@Jackwagn2 I'm going to help you out since it seems your not interested in putting forth some effort. Start by watching a video on youtube by searching for, "General Smedly Butler" and watch the one about, "War is a racket".
Are you serious! America and the people that don't buy the democratic bulls#$%7 about "how we should love everyone." Is why the world isn't run by dumb asses. Do you honestly think the reason were in the Middle East is to take there oil or exterminate Muslims. You need to wake the hell up, the world isn't ponies and unicorns it's violent, gory, and horrible. Were there because there are a ton of psychos that think they need to kill all the Christians and Jews. P.S. the bit they want peace is BS.
Never forget what you have never learned,this country killed more Indians than hitler did Jews,This empire will fall!was foretold by Sitting Bull,Red Cloud,Crazy Horse,The Hopi Indian was the most revered by all tribes,like the Mayans they were of spiritual leadership,I cannot remembver the Cheifs names from Hopi.tribe.what was foretold is "they would eventually turn against their own people{"
I never fought in a war and im not looking for praise. I just happen to be one of these nut jobs who does not believe the 911 fairy tale we were told happened to us on that terrible evil day. All I want to know is why so many of my fellow citizens keep drinking the kool aid that makes them not question what happened on 911. There are to many questions not answered.
Great song with a great message about how we treat othes in this world. Unfortunately we have leaders in this country and others that see war as a way to make money, and they could care less about those who are guilty of being in the way of a bomb when it explodes and a bullet when it is shot. If we killed those as our leaders say are responsible for 911 then who are we still fighting? I love this country and I wore a USAF uniform for 4 years and was hororably discharged. Im no hero, Cont
Thanks for this. Don't hear antiwar songs of the 60's-70's today. Country has become so complacent about death anymore. Blind and wrecklessness go unnoticed. Pat Tillman's story should have shocked everyone. My guess is no body cares. Appreciate the attempt. As you see people still love to wave the flag while other people's families and homes are blown to hell and back in the name of a buzz word.
Peace on earth is all it said,,so easy to say ,,so much harder to do,,but in time maybe mankind will draw up pens and paper to help with illiteracy and teach how to maintain peace,,instead of how to kill !!!!!! ,,, take care god bless
Choice is clear we learn to live in peace with each other or we all die together but which ever we choose we will do it together weather you like it or not. Love, Respect, and Tolerance.
Thank you veterans for serving in Afghanistan, the reason you were there was to protect the peace loving countries in the Middle East, and NOT oil. A better video to watch is "Grand Rapids LipDub"
Thank you veterans for serving in Afghanistan, the reason you were there was to protect the peace loving countries in the Middle East, and NOT oil. A better video to watch is "Grand Rapids LipDub"
@walkabout09 >> Except that we haven't paid our dues in a few decades, so they aren't getting "paid huge amounts" of anything. We only get to stay in it because the HQ is physically in our country, although technically they are considered a "neutral zone" outside the metaphorical wall.
You mock the very people that gave you the freedom to post this video. How dare you. Do you not remember that Iraq invaded Kuwait to get there oil? Do you not remember the genocidal campaign of the Iraqi Kurdistan? If not for the people you mock what would the Middle East be like right now? What would the rest of the world be like?
@otaen You only repeat what the propaganda media has told you to believe and you believe it because your too trusting and not critical of the information. As I've said before here, Saddam got the OK from our ambassador April Glaspie to invade Kuwait because Kuwait was slant drilling into Iraq and stealing their oil. Not that Saddam was a good guy because he wasn't. It was a setup on him to create the opportunity to invade Iraq to control the region. Go check it out for yourself.
@mdreiger Ok lets just say what your saying is true. What about the ultimatum to Iraq from the U.S. to withdraw its forces from Kuwait by January 15, 1991 or face war. Dose that not tell Saddom to get out of Kuwait? Or is that just more propaganda the media has told me to believe and i believe it because i’m too trusting and not critical of the information.
@otaen >> The ultimatum was issued because Bush I was feeling the pressure from Saudi Arabia to keep the argument from spilling over the border. Otherwise SA couldn't care less about Kuwait and Iraq arguing because, if you learned your history, you would know Kuwait is a new country that was carved off the bottom tip of Persia (Iraq) after WWI. As another person posted, it was Kuwait and not Iraq that started it. Our going over there is what made bin Ladin go guano crazy against us.
@otaen I think we need to ask why would the U.S. give the ok to invade and then, in effect, withdraw it.
I can't say I have all the answers. I can only guess that they knew that Saddam after invading was now committed
to staying in Kuwait for some time. As a side note remember how it was reported in the media that the Iraq soldiers were taking the babies out of the incubators and killing them? This turned out to be a lie see "The Kuwait incubator babies lie".
@mdreiger Because you have the insides scoop right? Because you have ALL the information, solid facts & proof that means YOUR'RE the only one right. Correct?
@otaen Do you not remember who put Saddam in power?? I seem to remember this guy Osama that we backed as well. lol... How about; What would the rest of the world be like if we didn't meddle in middle eastern politics? I know one difference would be that my friend wouldn't have died back in '05 for reasons that will never make any sense.
@otaen ..How dare you defend murder in the name of imperial glory? If not for the people you defend there would be untold thousands of innocents still alive today... including the victims of 9/11
If not for US and British foreign policy the Middle East would likely be quite peacful. Now, run along and have a big drink of propaganda, it will help maitain your delusion that America acts in the interests of others
I am a United States Marine. I think this song is 100% correct and it speaks for itself. I believe every Marine would agree. This is a beautiful and amazing song.
@otaen Well then why the hell are we still there? Sadam is dead and gone and oil is higher than ever. WHAT HAS IT BENEFITED THIS COUNTRY (AS A WHOLE NOT JUST THE OIL COMPANIES AND MILITARY INDUSTRIAL). IT HASN'T IT HAS COST US TRILLIONS. Ever hear what happened in Iran in 1953? Look it up then maybe, JUST maybe, you will understand what happened in 1979. Guatemala United Fruit 1954 on and on and on. God these fascist I know, must hate the internet.
@otaen All interesting points but factor in this: (1) US Ambassador OK'ed Iraq invasion of Kuwait, (2) howabout the Turkish genocide of the Kurds, Alevis & Armenians --- but that's OK cause Turkey was US ally, (3) who do you think sold Saddam the weapons to conduct his genocide? (US), (4) MidEast WAS full of dictators, MidEast IS still full of dictators, what's changed? ---- BTW, politics aside, it's just a good song
@naykor regardless of this song and video which is in poor taste. It is true Bush gave permission to the to April Glaspie to invade Kuwait, and then Saddam went on live CNN and was ready to tell all and right while he was talking CNN said we will be right back after this break interrupted him and they never came back I was recording it. SO WHY would our Country give Saddam permission to invade Kuwait? I would still like to know that question...
@metrodome934 Ah, yes, the old "that which does not agree with me is an idiot and has no decency" argument. I'm familiar with it. It's been used before by some of the great mass murderers in world history. Please take a deep breath, then take your meds.
Hey, yeah, let's indict George W. Bush as a war criminal. Great video. Why weren't Saddam Hussein's torture chambers, his trial and his hanging featured in this idiotic leftist video?
@obiwan2112 if you are suggesting that the iraq war was just then you are obviously an idiot or void of any decency. or at least the only decency you have is the phony decency that comes when your conservative american parents brainwashed you into thinking the bible was a legitimate replacement for real human emotion.
@walkabout09 I agree and what is even more upsetting is that the UN security council is dominated by the US. There has been resolution after resolution passed by the UN to condemn the aggression and human rights violations of the Israeli government which never made it passed the veto of the UN security council by the US, often with all other members of the council approving the resolution and only the US opposing and still they have the power to veto. It's shameful
@m1ndfr34k117 "Taking over governments: We do what's in our interests, if that means taking out a government, than so be it." <---- Al Qaeda does what's in their interests, if that means flying planes into buildings and killing innocent people, then so be it. Since Al Qaeda is a terrorist organization, then you have just admitted that the US government is also a terrorist organization. Your argument is completely defeated. Thanks for playing, loser.
@Mugchgu We don't consistently attack civilians do do it though. And again, they can feel free to do what's in their interest, but killing civilians is not allowed. Not to mention that we have a large population to fight for, Al-Qaeda doesn't.
And no, I admitted that it was a terrorist act to bomb the water plants, not because we do what's in our interest.
lol@all this stuff below me about this video when there is one scene of americans soldiers trying to help a wounded iraqi person...what an epic fail at an attempt to villanize our troops
(i wonder how many people will reply to this comment telling me how stupid i am and how great and smart they are..Well it doesnt really matter because i wont be back to visit this video anymore so have at it:D)
@catskendall I don't think you're stupid at all. Our troops wouldn't need to be helping a wounded Iraqi if we had not invaded Iraq in the first place. In 2003, 55% of Americans thought that Saddam Hussein was directly involved in the 9/11 attack and over 80% of Americans believed Iraq had WMDs. Our troops are not the villains. They, like most of us, were duped. The villains are the cronies of those who profit from war (Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, etc) who sold us the war through the media.
@Mugchgu Perhaps you need to realize that it is sometimes impractical to wage war within current laws and also that war is neccessary. You think building schools and water treatment plants will stop Al-Queda? I sure hope not. Our government is guilty of a lot of things, as is EVERY other prosperous country in the world. I also think you need to look up the definition of terrorism in a dictionary; you will see that it is not terrorism our government participates in.
@m1ndfr34k117 Perhaps you don't understand what the term "retaliation" means. What will stop Al-Qaeda is for for the US to stop killing innocent people. Al Qaeda is just a resistance group. Every empire has them. As far as the definition of terrorism, I have looked it up. Have you? Terrorism is defined, by official US and UN policy, as the use or threat of random violence to frighten, intimidate or coerce a civilian population toward some political end.
@Mugchgu I do, but are you seriously trying to tell me that Al-Queda is only fighting us because we went there? That honestly made me laugh. They attacked us, not vice versa. They don't like our way of life and our religious beliefs. They will not stop because we do.
And by that definition, what have we done that qualifies as terrorism in this war?
@m1ndfr34k117 Most of the bombing the US did in Vietnam was in SOUTH Vietnam, to coerce the South Vietnamese from supporting communism and reunification with North Vietnam. That's Terrorism. During Reagan's illegal war in Nicaragua, US led forces, launched from bases in Honduras, attacked civilian targets to deter civilian support for the democratically elected Sandinista government. That's terrorism.
@Mugchgu Okay, people need to stop using the term illegal war. Illegal by whose standards? Justifiable is a better term to use. The fact that people can believe wars are legal or illegal is appalling. And I can't speak about that, because I honestly don't know. But then again, what country has never used terrorism before? Not to mention the fact that that is in the past. Worry about preventing it, not about dwelling over what has already happened.
@m1ndfr34k117 Are you a teenager? What grade are you in? US military intervention in Nicaragua was illegal because Congress and the Senate had strictly forbid it. The Reagan administration did everything under the table. They sold arms to Iranian terrorist (ILLEGAL) and used the money to fund the Contra rebels who were trying to overthrow the Sandanista government. This was carried out with the aid of US mercenary forces and CIA operatives. ALSO ILLEGAL. Get your head out of your ass.
@Mugchgu Perhaps and what do you care? Again, the fact that you can call a war legal or illegal is retarded. Try justifiable. Who cares what some pencil pusher says in some court? Was it justifiable? Either way, I'm not saying we're perfect. I'm saying that the wars we are in right now are both justifiable and necessary. Also, I'm pretty sure the President has the authority to supply other groups without the approval of congress and the senate. Get you're head out of the clouds.
@m1ndfr34k117 " Also, I'm pretty sure the President has the authority to supply other groups without the approval of congress and the senate."
And you would be pretty incorrect. Congress didn't give the executive branch that kind of authority until after the 9/11 attack, which put America one step closer to becoming a fascist dictatorship. It's obvious that you don't know enough about this topic to discuss it intelligently.
@m1ndfr34k117 "We are going to put the US's interests above any law or other persons, if you don't like it, than fuck off."
This is the exact reason why the American empire, like every other empire in history, will fall. The US is the biggest threat to world peace and when the empire crumbles, the world will be a much safer place.
@m1ndfr34k117 "We are going to put the US's interests above any law or other persons, if you don't like it, than fuck off."
I just came across a quote by Christopher Dawson. "As soon as men decide that all means are permitted to fight an evil, then their good becomes indistinguishable from the evil they set out to destroy."
America is a terrorist state. Denying that only makes you a terrorist sympathizer and no better than a terrorist yourself.
@m1ndfr34k117 At the end of the first Gulf War, US and UK forces bombed Iraq's water treatment plants and one of the things forbidden to sell Iraq during ten years of sanctions was chlorine. This was to coerce the Iraqi people into rising up against Saddam Hussein. One million people died of diseases directly related to not having access to clean drinking water. Half of them were children under the age of five. That was a cowardly and despicable act of terrorism.
@Mugchgu I'm sure that sucked, and it doesn't surprise me. Am I saying that the US is a perfect nation? No, what nation is. What you seem to not understand is any large empire has had wars. BAD STUFF HAPPENS IN WARS. What do you propose, we just lay down our arms and allow terrorist groups to thrive because there's some collateral damage in war? Grow some balls and realize that these things happen.
@m1ndfr34k117 What I suggest is that we stop exploiting and enslaving the third world for corporate profits. It was our actions that produced terrorist groups. If you really think terrorist kill Americans because they hate freedom hate our way of life, you need to turn of Glenn Beck join reality. Democracy means nothing if it is not achieved by self determination and America doesn't really care about Democracy. We only care that a country's resources are privatized for American investment.
@Mugchgu Profits? Just because people make money doesn't mean that the reasons behind something is a profit. We don't have police so that way we can make a profit from gun makers, car companies, uniform companies, etc. We do it because they are needed for our safety. Same exact thing. Will people profit from war? Absolutely, but that's not why were were/are there.
And terrorists do not like our way of life and even more our religion! PLEASE tell me how we started terrorist groups.
@m1ndfr34k117 "And terrorists do not like our way of life and even more our religion!"
Oh, so you equate being Muslim with being a terrorist. That explains a lot. Ever heard of the IRA? You know nothing about the motivations of Islamic terrorists and you're in compete denial of the state terrorism of the US govenrment. The only part of our way of life they don't like is the part where we murder their poeple and according to the Quran, Christians are also considered believers. You're ignorant.
@Mugchgu No, I equate EXTREMIST Muslims with being terrorists. When did I say all Muslims are terrorists, or even imply it for that matter?
I know that Islamic terrorists are motivated by killing infidels which they consider any person who practices a religion other than their own to be. The government is not in a state of terrorism. Has it done it before, sure. Hiroshima and Nagasaki are examples, but currently that's not how we operate.
@m1ndfr34k117 "I know that Islamic terrorists are motivated by killing infidels which they consider any person who practices a religion other than their own to be."
Hahah, where did you hear that nonsense. Islam defines an infidel as an atheist or a polytheist while the three religions that worship the God of Abraham; Muslims, Christians and Jews, are all considered believers. Look up Surah II, verse 62 in the Quran. Honestly, where do you get this hill billy white trash busllshit?
@m1ndfr34k117 Have you ever wondered why Osama Bin Ladin and Al Qaeda attacked the US on 9/11 or did you just believe this bullshit propaganda that was spoon fed to you by the media. Bin Ladin published a paper shortly after the attack outlining the reasons for the attack but for some reason, the media didn't report on it. They just told people that Muslims hate our way of life. Here's a link, just remove the spaces.
@Mugchgu So they don't disagree with our religion? It says in one of the first few articles that they're pissed because Israel belongs to Jews. Thanks for helping my point.
The entire letter basically says that they are pissed because we stop them from Jihad. Plain and simple.
@m1ndfr34k117 No, that's not what it says. Are you intentionally lying to try and infuriate me. it won't work. I find the best way to educate the readers of these threads is to keep idiots like you posting. Nowhere in Bin Ladin's letter does it say he attacked because Israel belongs to the Jews and nowhere does it say that they are pissed because we stop them from Jihad so your point is in fact, refuted completely and the fact that you have blatantly lied about it shows that you know it.
" Palestine, which has sunk under military occupation for more than 80 years. The British handed over Palestine, with your help and your support, to the Jews, who have occupied it for more than 50 years; years overflowing with oppression, tyranny, crimes, killing, expulsion, destruction and devastation. The creation and continuation of Israel is one of the greatest crimes, and you are the leaders of its criminals."
@Mugchgu There's the Jews having Israel part. Here's the Jihad part.
These tragedies and calamities are only a few examples of your oppression and aggression against us. It is commanded by our religion and intellect that the oppressed have a right to return the aggression. Do not await anything from us but Jihad, resistance and revenge. Is it in any way rational to expect that after America has attacked us for more than half a century, that we will then leave her to live in security and peace?!
@m1ndfr34k117 Nice attempt at right wing spin but no, you're still wrong and the very quotes you posted prove you wrong. It's not about not taking their side, you idiot. It's about " years overflowing with oppression, tyranny, crimes, killing, expulsion, destruction and devastation." And yes, one of the edicts of Islam is that you may take revenge against someone who has hurt you but cannot hurt them more than they have hurt you. The US and UK have been killing Palestinians since 1922.
@Mugchgu "Oppression, tyranny, crimes, killing, expulsion, destruction and devastation" to them. We recognize the Jews right to Israel, they don't, so there's war. It's quite simple. And that by itself is proof that they have difference religious ideals and thus we have produced war.
@m1ndfr34k117 They have always recognized the right of Jews to live there and wanted Palestine to be a place where Muslims and Jews lived together in peace, like they did prior to 1922. However, the US and UK did not recognize the rights of Palestinians to live in Palestine. The government was set up as an Israeli government in which Palestinians were an "occupied people" having no rights. There are even Jewish communities in the US that revile Israel for the way Palestinians are treated.
I will give the dead bodies of the host of the Philistines this day to the birds of the air and to the wild beasts of the earth; that all the earth may know that there is a God in Israel. 1 Samuel 17:47
"He ordered the guards and officers to slaughter them all, and to let not a single one escape." (2 Kings Chapter 10 verse 25)
"Joshua destroyed everyone. They did not leave anyone alive." (Joshua 11:14) "They were put to the sword, destroying them all." (Joshua 11:12)
@m1ndfr34k117 After the Romans were run out of Palestine, Muslims and Jews lived peacefully side by side in Palestine until the British Mandate of Palestine was issued September 11, 1922. It was a follow up to the Balfour Declaration of 1917. Learn your history, kid.
@Mugchgu Then why should the US be attacked for that? Maybe you should use your brain, if you have one, and see that not only was that a British initiative but the US had NO HAND IN IT WHAT-SO-EVER! Learn your history before you help my case even more and make yourself look even more ignorant.
@m1ndfr34k117 No, you learn your history and quit cherry picking information to support an objective and false belief. Going back to the letter from Bin Ladin that you're too stupid to understand, it was the US and UK that have played an active role in the killing of Palestinians. After WWII, the UK was too busy licking their wounds so the US took over in Palestine. Within minutes of Israel declaring their sovereignty, the US recognized them as a nation. (continued)
@Mugchgu There's nothing wrong with cherry picking as long as it's kept in context, and stop telling me to learn my history. What are you basing your assumption (that I don't know history) on? And okay, so what if we played an active role. What makes you think it's their right to the land?
@m1ndfr34k117 "There's nothing wrong with cherry picking as long as it's kept in context, and stop telling me to learn my history."
If you're cherry picking information that supports your subjective opinion and ignoring facts that disprove your opinion, there is no way to maintain context. Damn, that's a stupid thing to say. I'll stop telling you to learn history when you show the slightest degree of knowledge about history.
@Mugchgu No, I'm picking each thing out because I don't feel like going through the entire letter and responding to each point. That's like explaining a book, you don't repeat the book, you hit on certain points to get the point across.
And I have shown you knowledge of history. Are you blind or just stupid?
@m1ndfr34k117 The settlement of Palestine by Israel is a page taken right out of US history. In settling the west, the US made treaties with the Native Americans, then built settlements on Native American land. When the Native Americans repsonded to that treaty violation with hostility, they were vilified and then slaughtered until they were willing to make a new treaty in which their land was smaller. That continued until they were cooped up on reservations. That's happening now in Palestine.
@Mugchgu Oh well, again, our religion (being a Christian religion) says that it belongs to the Jews, Muslims say it belongs to them, so again, religious differences. It wasn't until the Muslim Conquests during the 7th Century after the prophet Muhammad died that the land ever became Arab land. So Jews had it first, then Arabs, and now they're mad because they got it back.
And what happens in other parts of the world typically aren't taught in US history, but instead world history.
@m1ndfr34k117 "Oh well, again, our religion (being a Christian religion) says that it belongs to the Jews, Muslims say it belongs to them, so again, religious differences."
No, dumbass, you're intentionally lying or your reading comprehension is that of a 4 year old. It's already been proven in the links I provided and in the quotes that YOU posted, that the Muslims believe Palestine belongs to the Muslims and the Jews because they are both followers of Moses.
@m1ndfr34k117 Why don't you do a little research yourself and stop being ignorant. The UN proposed a two state solution in 1947 giving 55 percent of the land to Israelis and 45 percent to Palestinians. Israel now has over 75 percent of the land and they keep building settlements in Palestinian territory. Every resolution by the UN denouncing Israel's human rights abuses has been vetoed by the US in the UN security council. Here's a link.
@Mugchgu I've done my research and I know what I believe, so again, stop making assumptions 'cause it just makes you look like an ass. And yes, but the Israels have been at war with Palestine since 1948 and thus both sides have the right to push farther and farther to the other side. You're mad 'cause Israels bad-ass and Palestine's not right?
@m1ndfr34k117 "'ve done my research and I know what I believe, so again, stop making assumptions 'cause it just makes you look like an ass."
No you haven't and you make yourself look like an ass. As I said, there is NO EVIDENCE to support your subjective belief. You claim there is but so far you have not offered any. So far, in this dialogue, you have posted false and unsupported claims and I have corrected you with historical and scriptural facts.
@Mugchgu Yes I have and no it doesn't. There is plenty of evidence to support what I'm saying. Maybe if you would do research from a non-biased perspective you would be able to find it. And what would you like to see? I haven't offered any 'cause honestly I haven't felt like copy and pasting it so, again, what would you like to see? And no, I have posted true claims by which you respond with Wikipedia and extremely biased sources. Honestly your idea of "evidence" or support is pathetic.
@m1ndfr34k117 "There is plenty of evidence to support what I'm saying. Maybe if you would do research from a non-biased perspective you would be able to find it. "
You were the one demanding that I provide links to support the things I have posted and the refuting of your idiotic and unsupported claims. You have not posted one single link to support ANYTHING you have posted.
@m1ndfr34k117 "Which is why I asked you what do you want to see? I can provide links, I've just never felt the need."
" Israel has tried multiple peace treaties by which they have been rejected by the other side."
" TERRORISTS DON'T BELIEVE CHRISTIANS ARE BELIEVERS THOUGH!"
"I know that Islamic terrorists are motivated by killing infidels which they consider any person who practices a religion other than their own to be."
@m1ndfr34k117 Some more Jihad verses from the Christian Bible. Funny how ignorance and hypocrisy go hand in hand.
Deuteronomy 20:16-17 Only in the cities of these peoples that the LORD your God is giving you as an inheritance, you shall not leave alive anything that breathes. But you shall utterly destroy them, the Hittite and the Amorite, the Canaanite and the Perizzite, the Hivite and the Jebusite, as the LORD your God has commanded you.
@Mugchgu It says in the bible itself, an eye for an eye, but it also says turn the other cheek. Islam, in my opinion, is a peaceful religion. It's the extremists that are truly calling for jihad. Do you see us invading people for the purpose of spreading Christianity? We've learned better than that.
@m1ndfr34k117 No, we invade other countries to increas corporate profits. There are all kinds of extremists, not just religious extremists. The difference is that a terrorist will place his own agenda above any law or person and will always find an excuse to feel justified in his criminal activities.
@Mugchgu Oh really? That must be why the economy is so awesome right now. Again, just because some people profit doesn't mean that's the reason for starting a war. I'll go back to my cop analgy, just because gun companies, car companies, radio companies, uniform companies, etc make a profit because of the police force, that's not why they exist.
@m1ndfr34k117 "I'll go back to my cop analgy, just because gun companies, car companies, radio companies, uniform companies, etc make a profit because of the police force, that's not why they exist."
That's a non-sequitur argument. Since you have no real argument, you argue in extremes. Corporations can make profits without killing people and subverting governments. Those actions are not justified simply because they maximize profits.
@Mugchgu Actually, it is a perfectly good argument, you just choose to brush it off as other than acceptable to you. And sure, I understand what you're saying that it isn't justified, but who are you to say that that's the reasons we went to war? You must've been there when the decision was made. You must've been inside everyones mind when they made the decision. Since you seem to be so good at finding so-called evidence, find me a direct correlation between high profit and the decision for war.
@m1ndfr34k117 "And sure, I understand what you're saying that it isn't justified, but who are you to say that that's the reasons we went to war?"
Who am I to say? I'm the guy who looks at ALL the evidence and doesn't just take the word of the corporate media. Here's your direct connection; under the Bush administration, eleven members of the defense council had direct ties to companies receiving billions in no-bid government reconstruction contracts.
@Mugchgu I don't watch or listen to the cooperate media, I also do my own research. And reconstruction is a good thing? That's one reasons why I believe we went in, so help me understand why it's a bad thing.
@m1ndfr34k117 "I don't watch or listen to the cooperate media, I also do my own research. And reconstruction is a good thing?"
Obviously, you don't read the dictionary either. This is your most adolescent statement so far. Since reconstruction is to rebuild and repair all the things that were destroyed during the invasion, why do you think that's one of the reasons we went in? That doesn't even make sense and you're flat out lying when you say you do any research at all.
@m1ndfr34k117 The main connection is the privatization of resources. If a countries resources, like oil, are nationalized so that the owners of the oil are the people of the country and profits from the oil sales are used to subsidize education and health care and infrastructure costs, then American oil companies can't invest in those resources and make money from them. Allan Greenspan admitted that the main reason for invading Iraq was the privatization of it's oil resources.
@Mugchgu So if the US is privatizing foreign oil, can you please tell me why it's still so expensive? And Allan Greenspan was the Chairman of the Federal Reserve I believe, so something tells me he wasn't sitting there when the decision was made to invade Iraq. He is n't in a position to truly state what the reasons were.
@m1ndfr34k117 " So if the US is privatizing foreign oil, can you please tell me why it's still so expensive?"
What is considered "expensive"is a subjective point of view. If you were an adult with some real life experience, you'd know that what Americans pay for gas is very cheap compared to what most other countries pay. The only exception would be Arab oil producing states, for obvious reasons.
@Mugchgu Let's see, $3.60 dollars a gallon or even more is ridiculous seeing as how there is plenty to go around. Oil isn't diamonds. I don't know what makes you think I'm not adult, but again (I've lost count how many times I've said this so far), stop assuming things because it just makes you look ignorant.
And can you provide any evidence of soldiers raiding oil fields to capture them and take all the spoils? No? Okay then.
@m1ndfr34k117 "Let's see, $3.60 dollars a gallon or even more is ridiculous seeing as how there is plenty to go around."
Another claim you can't support. Did you even bother to look up what other countries pay for gasoline? I understand that when oil companies are recording record profits, we are paying too much for gas but Wall Street sets the price of a barrel of oil depending on how much investment money is poured into oil futures. Market speculators are responsible for prices and profits.
@Mugchgu I have a link that says that the US is the largest producer of oil, but I can't seem to post it on here. Type in "Charting the World's Oil-PBS" Also, you should look up the abiotic oil theory. In addition, usually when something such as oil, which today is a world necessity, goes low, it's big news. I haven't heard anything of low oil. I haven't heard any projections on when we will be out either, probably because it's too far away to tell.
@Mugchgu I agree that the speculators are responsible for part of it but either way, it would still be cheaper than it is, would it not? Also, on the raiding the oil fields argument, it's a strategic move for a war. You freeze up their oil, you cut down their income and obviously oil. You, being prior-service, should know that. Did the soldiers then ship all the oil back to the US behind everyone's back? Were they holding people at gunpoint and telling them to drop prices? No.
@m1ndfr34k117 First you deny that the US went after their oil and when the evidence proves you wrong, you then try to justify it. I think you just love to argue but you're not very good at it. And your rationale is laughable. What DID HAPPEN is that the Iraqi oil fields handed over "temporarily" to three oil corporations from the US, UK and Saudi Arabia and the interim Iraqi government was pressured to award exclusive oil rights to those corporations under 35 year contracts.
@Mugchgu I never said we never went after their oil, I said that's not why we went over there. Don't twist my words you incompetent ass. Your rationale is even better because you think Wikipedia makes you a foreign affairs expert and that no one has any skeletons to hide.
Here's an article by TIME, I suggest you read it. Type in, "US Companies Shut Out as Iraq Auctions Its Oil Fields-TIME"
@m1ndfr34k117 "I never said we never went after their oil, I said that's not why we went over there. Don't twist my words you incompetent ass."
Yes you said the reason we went there was for "reconstruction" even though there's no reason for reconstruction if we don't invade the country. That's because you're a stupid shit, I guess it doesn't matter that Bush and Cheney both have direct ties to big oil and natural gas corporations.
@m1ndfr34k117 "And can you provide any evidence of soldiers raiding oil fields to capture them and take all the spoils? No? Okay then."
Now who is assuming things? There is evidence of this but I have no illusions about you. You only accept a source as unbiased if they agree with you. If they don't agree with you, they're liberal and therefore not credible in your opinion. I've encountered that circular cult mentality from your ilk many times. (continued)
@Mugchgu I am, because although I've told you to stop multiple times, you've persisted. And no, I accept a source as unbiased if it is in no position to gain anything from being biased or doesn't have biased people controlling it. And I understand that, but there is two sides to every story. You can argue two different points and both be credible. Also, show me an instance where Glenn Beck hasn't been right about something and tell me why he isn't credible. However, I listen to Michael...
@m1ndfr34k117 "lso, show me an instance where Glenn Beck hasn't been right about something and tell me why he isn't credible."
You're kidding right? First, Beck has made the repeated claim that fascism and socialism are the same thing. Now that's laughable. Beck also claims that the democratic uprisings in the middle east are socialist uprisings. Beck is a corporate sellout and a traitor to America.
@Mugchgu ...Medved, not Rush or Beck. And they are opinions based on previous facts though. You should realize that they usually talk about the future, thus no facts exist and fo current events, they have cited their sources.
@m1ndfr34k117 (resumed) One thing your narrow mind cannot fathom is that in our society, you can be sued for making profits off of your writings if you make factual claims that are false therefore you must have a referenced source index to prove everything you claim as factual. It doesn't matter if you think Berkley University is liberal, Professor Johnson was never sued for making false claims and as a former CIA consultant, his facts trump your opinion. (continued)
@m1ndfr34k117 (resumed) Those source indexes are why you find the writings of people like Noam Chomsky, Chalmers Johnson, Howard Zinn, Naomi Klein and Arundhati Roy in the non-fiction section of the library while books by Glenn Beck and Sarah Palin are "editorial pieces" like memoirs and will be found in the fiction section of the library because they make no factual claims, only stated opinions. (continued)
@m1ndfr34k117 (resumed) There are many factual writings about the Iraq invasion which state that US forces had secured the oil fields within hours of the invasion. One such book is "An Ordinary Person's Guide To Empire" by Arundhati Roy. All her claims are source referenced as well, since there are plenty of wealthy conservatives who would love to discredit her with a lawsuit. I still haven't seen one single link provided by you for any of your claims but I knew you couldn't provide any.
@Mugchgu I provided you with a link of Palestine and Israel seeking peace and I've tried to provide you with a link for the oil debate. I am more than willing to provide links for everything, as I said before.
Now that I think about it, I had trouble posting the link on here too for the Israel-Palestine peace talks, so type this in. (It says Error, try again) when I post a link. I've tried spaces but it doesn't work.) Type in "Israel and Palestinians commit to 2008 peace treaty | Reuters"
@m1ndfr34k117 You do realize that your link was from 2008 and that those peace talks fell through, not because the Palestinian Authority rejected them. The PA wants a two state solution. The problem was that Israel refused to halt settlement expansion during those talks. It's an obvious ploy by the Israeli government. All they are doing is stalling while they keep taking more land. Israel will never agree to a two state solution and the US will keep vetoing every UN resolution to achieve one.
@Mugchgu Yes I do, and I understand they fell through because they couldn't reach an understanding. Either way, the simple fact is they both would prefer total control of the land, a two-state solution is more of a compromise than anything else, and neither want that. I think you're just mad Israel's winning. If Palestine was kicking Israel's ass, would you be complaining like you are now?
@m1ndfr34k117 "a two-state solution is more of a compromise than anything else, and neither want that. "
Another unsupported claim by a lying piece of shit. Palestine wants the UN resolution of a two state solution upheld. Israel is the ONLY one that doesn't want a two state solution and the US supports them by blocking every UN resolution through the UN security council. Your claim has no basis in reality.
@m1ndfr34k117 "I think you're just mad Israel's winning. If Palestine was kicking Israel's ass, would you be complaining like you are now?"
If you're not a child, you probably don't want people to know you're an adult. This is not a sporting event so I'm not mad because Israel is winning. Israel is lying about wanting peace. They only want the total extinction or removal of Palestinians in Gaza and the West Bank. The only thing that makes me mad is the willful ignorance of people like you.
@Mugchgu Okay, so Israel wants the land that they're religion says is theirs anyways. You blame them for that? And that's one theory, not necessarily mine, but maybe they do want peace. Who are you to say they don't? And you do realize there are Palestinian serving in the Israeli government right? It's not about the people, it's about the land. Like I've said countless times before, both sides want land, and they will fight for it.
@m1ndfr34k117 If you want to believe that the US is justified in it's quest for hegemony, that's fine. Educated people know different. Your beliefs are created by cherry picking information that doesn't tell the whole story and when the whole story is told, you deny it's validity with false claims of biased sources. To you, a liberal source is not a credible source and a liberal source would not agree with you. Therefore any source that doesn't agree with you isn't credible. You're an idiot.
@Mugchgu Really? That must be why there's mass protest in the streets...'cause all the educated people realize this. And when I cherry pick, I keep it in context. I don't see your point of how I'm missing the whole story. When a murder investigation, do you just say. "Oh well it was probably Mr. Plum in the library with the pipe."? No, you look at details. Same here. And you're right; same goes for republican sources. Any source which has something to gain by taking one side or another is biased
@m1ndfr34k117 "And when I cherry pick, I keep it in context."
Further proof that your dumb ass doesn't know what cherry picking means. When cherry picking is done, it's always done in context. It just means that you only incorporate information that supports your argument and willfully omit information that disproves your argument.
@Mugchgu Then by that definition you are cherry picking as well. You are ommiting my evidence (which comes from reputable sources such as TIME, PBS, etc.) and only relying on yours (Wikipedia).
@m1ndfr34k117 Furthermore, what makes you think privatizing oil is to make it cheaper for us. All of our oil from Alaska is sold to Japan. Privatization of resources just makes a few people rich. It's not designed to benefit us at all.
Interesting how you disregard the many times Gen. Smedley Butler talks about all the corrupt invasions that our Gov. did for corporate greed that killed off millions of people. I can see that you feel a part of this devilish society. May God have mercy on your soul, because your going to need it.
mdreiger 3 weeks ago
@mdreiger give an example
Jackwagn2 3 weeks ago
@Jackwagn2 Well, there is so much information concerning this subject you probably could read for years. I would suggest you start by reading the book, "Killing Hope", by William Blum.
mdreiger 3 weeks ago
@Jackwagn2 Have you checked out the book, "Killing Hope" by William Blum yet?
mdreiger 2 weeks ago
Just go through the comments and search for my login and you'll find plenty.
mdreiger 3 weeks ago
@mdreiger uh huh...
Jackwagn2 3 weeks ago
@Jackwagn2 I guess your just like most people, easily manipulated and not
questioning of authority. You need to start doing your own research and look at what both sides to the issues say instead of just listening to the presstitutes and the dogma they produce to get us to spend more money on wars and make more money for the corporations.
mdreiger 3 weeks ago
@mdreiger Presstitutes might be vile and out to trick us ... but, as luck would have it, still be right. You have a bad habit of ad hominem attacks. the press, corporations and even the devil might say the right things for the wrong reasons.
Jackwagn2 3 weeks ago
@Jackwagn2 I call them as I see them. If someone is honorable, I'll call them that. if their a scumbag, I'll call them a scumbag. As for the media, so many of the top people are liars and bought and paid for they are presstitutes. ...and I noticed that you've conveniently not responded to what General Smedley Butler said, which supports my position.
mdreiger 3 weeks ago
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@mdreiger Did Semdley Butler say that our involvement in the world wars was wrong? LOL ... I suppose Fascism and Communism were no threat to our homes!
Patton had a better speech.
Jackwagn2 3 weeks ago
@Jackwagn2 I'm going to help you out since it seems your not interested in putting forth some effort. Start by watching a video on youtube by searching for, "General Smedly Butler" and watch the one about, "War is a racket".
mdreiger 3 weeks ago
@mdreiger ad hominem aside, do you have any defense
Jackwagn2 3 weeks ago
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Jackwagn2 3 weeks ago
Are you serious! America and the people that don't buy the democratic bulls#$%7 about "how we should love everyone." Is why the world isn't run by dumb asses. Do you honestly think the reason were in the Middle East is to take there oil or exterminate Muslims. You need to wake the hell up, the world isn't ponies and unicorns it's violent, gory, and horrible. Were there because there are a ton of psychos that think they need to kill all the Christians and Jews. P.S. the bit they want peace is BS.
Jackwagn2 3 weeks ago
Sir, I can tell by your anger that you support this system, and with that support you agree to
the mass killing of millions of innocent people. You better start getting you head on straight
and stop being a contributor to this sick society or you and God are going to have a reckoning some day.
mdreiger 1 month ago
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If the US invaded Iraq for oil, WHERE IS THE OIL? We sure could use it.
fmarine1 2 months ago
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fmarine1 2 months ago
wow people we are on a runaway train,time to take controll of the conductor and enginners!
Ancientmirrors1 2 months ago
Who disliked this song clearly they we're thinking bout something else then cause this song has nothing to be dislike for
blackwidow13100 2 months ago
Never forget what you have never learned,this country killed more Indians than hitler did Jews,This empire will fall!was foretold by Sitting Bull,Red Cloud,Crazy Horse,The Hopi Indian was the most revered by all tribes,like the Mayans they were of spiritual leadership,I cannot remembver the Cheifs names from Hopi.tribe.what was foretold is "they would eventually turn against their own people{"
Ancientmirrors1 2 months ago
@Ancientmirrors1 Its happening right now ot seems.
metathus 2 months ago
Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11, and there were no WMDs there.
rmar67 4 months ago 3
I never fought in a war and im not looking for praise. I just happen to be one of these nut jobs who does not believe the 911 fairy tale we were told happened to us on that terrible evil day. All I want to know is why so many of my fellow citizens keep drinking the kool aid that makes them not question what happened on 911. There are to many questions not answered.
arecuk1 4 months ago 2
Great song with a great message about how we treat othes in this world. Unfortunately we have leaders in this country and others that see war as a way to make money, and they could care less about those who are guilty of being in the way of a bomb when it explodes and a bullet when it is shot. If we killed those as our leaders say are responsible for 911 then who are we still fighting? I love this country and I wore a USAF uniform for 4 years and was hororably discharged. Im no hero, Cont
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arecuk1 4 months ago
Thanks for this. Don't hear antiwar songs of the 60's-70's today. Country has become so complacent about death anymore. Blind and wrecklessness go unnoticed. Pat Tillman's story should have shocked everyone. My guess is no body cares. Appreciate the attempt. As you see people still love to wave the flag while other people's families and homes are blown to hell and back in the name of a buzz word.
babydol012 4 months ago
Peace on earth is all it said,,so easy to say ,,so much harder to do,,but in time maybe mankind will draw up pens and paper to help with illiteracy and teach how to maintain peace,,instead of how to kill !!!!!! ,,, take care god bless
carlitosbanditos 4 months ago
Learn from history:
If there was no Pearl Harbour, there wouldn't have been a Hiroshima...
American soldiers wouldn't be over there kicking ass if it wasn't for the actions of Osama bin Killed
info145 5 months ago
Next: Go watch a 9/11 YouTube video
info145 5 months ago
@info145 then go watch the 9/10 youtube video.
aletoledo1 5 months ago
thank you its about more than freedom, you send a powerful message calling for peace, i'm for peace.
Danavictorston 6 months ago
Politics aside, this is a truly sad, but oh so beautiful song.
danldar 6 months ago 6
Choice is clear we learn to live in peace with each other or we all die together but which ever we choose we will do it together weather you like it or not. Love, Respect, and Tolerance.
MasterSixkiller2012 6 months ago
what the bleep does grand rapids lip dub ,have to do with the staement being said here,grow up
sundog666 7 months ago
what the bleep does grand rapids lip dub ,have to do with the staement being said here,grow up
sundog666 7 months ago
Thank you veterans for serving in Afghanistan, the reason you were there was to protect the peace loving countries in the Middle East, and NOT oil. A better video to watch is "Grand Rapids LipDub"
gintas35 8 months ago
Thank you veterans for serving in Afghanistan, the reason you were there was to protect the peace loving countries in the Middle East, and NOT oil. A better video to watch is "Grand Rapids LipDub"
gintas35 8 months ago
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Cant we all just get along... <3 Its double edge sword with contradictions, that says "We fight for peace, yet we kill to get it" .. :(
whisperin2u 8 months ago
Cant we all just get along... <3 Its double edge sword with contradictions, that says "We fight for peace, yet we kill to get it" .. :(
whisperin2u 8 months ago
@walkabout09 >> Except that we haven't paid our dues in a few decades, so they aren't getting "paid huge amounts" of anything. We only get to stay in it because the HQ is physically in our country, although technically they are considered a "neutral zone" outside the metaphorical wall.
QueenOnlyMe 8 months ago
who is the guy doing pentagon steech? 1:40 in, its on the still image of video.
saulhudson32 8 months ago
You mock the very people that gave you the freedom to post this video. How dare you. Do you not remember that Iraq invaded Kuwait to get there oil? Do you not remember the genocidal campaign of the Iraqi Kurdistan? If not for the people you mock what would the Middle East be like right now? What would the rest of the world be like?
otaen 8 months ago
@otaen You only repeat what the propaganda media has told you to believe and you believe it because your too trusting and not critical of the information. As I've said before here, Saddam got the OK from our ambassador April Glaspie to invade Kuwait because Kuwait was slant drilling into Iraq and stealing their oil. Not that Saddam was a good guy because he wasn't. It was a setup on him to create the opportunity to invade Iraq to control the region. Go check it out for yourself.
mdreiger 8 months ago 7
@mdreiger Ok lets just say what your saying is true. What about the ultimatum to Iraq from the U.S. to withdraw its forces from Kuwait by January 15, 1991 or face war. Dose that not tell Saddom to get out of Kuwait? Or is that just more propaganda the media has told me to believe and i believe it because i’m too trusting and not critical of the information.
otaen 8 months ago
@otaen >> The ultimatum was issued because Bush I was feeling the pressure from Saudi Arabia to keep the argument from spilling over the border. Otherwise SA couldn't care less about Kuwait and Iraq arguing because, if you learned your history, you would know Kuwait is a new country that was carved off the bottom tip of Persia (Iraq) after WWI. As another person posted, it was Kuwait and not Iraq that started it. Our going over there is what made bin Ladin go guano crazy against us.
QueenOnlyMe 8 months ago
@otaen I think we need to ask why would the U.S. give the ok to invade and then, in effect, withdraw it.
I can't say I have all the answers. I can only guess that they knew that Saddam after invading was now committed
to staying in Kuwait for some time. As a side note remember how it was reported in the media that the Iraq soldiers were taking the babies out of the incubators and killing them? This turned out to be a lie see "The Kuwait incubator babies lie".
mdreiger 8 months ago
@mdreiger RON PAUL 2012!
danbowski40 7 months ago
@otaen .. Who gave America the right to demand anything?
09Libertarian 7 months ago
@mdreiger Because you have the insides scoop right? Because you have ALL the information, solid facts & proof that means YOUR'RE the only one right. Correct?
captspastic 1 month ago
@otaen Do you not remember who put Saddam in power?? I seem to remember this guy Osama that we backed as well. lol... How about; What would the rest of the world be like if we didn't meddle in middle eastern politics? I know one difference would be that my friend wouldn't have died back in '05 for reasons that will never make any sense.
This song is awesome.
jvmoran 8 months ago 2
@otaen ..How dare you defend murder in the name of imperial glory? If not for the people you defend there would be untold thousands of innocents still alive today... including the victims of 9/11
If not for US and British foreign policy the Middle East would likely be quite peacful. Now, run along and have a big drink of propaganda, it will help maitain your delusion that America acts in the interests of others
09Libertarian 7 months ago
I am a United States Marine. I think this song is 100% correct and it speaks for itself. I believe every Marine would agree. This is a beautiful and amazing song.
chuckfleener 6 months ago 19
@otaen Well then why the hell are we still there? Sadam is dead and gone and oil is higher than ever. WHAT HAS IT BENEFITED THIS COUNTRY (AS A WHOLE NOT JUST THE OIL COMPANIES AND MILITARY INDUSTRIAL). IT HASN'T IT HAS COST US TRILLIONS. Ever hear what happened in Iran in 1953? Look it up then maybe, JUST maybe, you will understand what happened in 1979. Guatemala United Fruit 1954 on and on and on. God these fascist I know, must hate the internet.
Ebeneezerable 6 months ago
@otaen Oh, I thought we got our freedoms from our 'creator'. I am a vet, and you give us too much credit.
rsimpson69 5 months ago
@otaen who do you think put saddam hussein into power,WE DID,blowback my friend,i did my research. Ron Paul 2012
belzebbub 5 months ago
@otaen All interesting points but factor in this: (1) US Ambassador OK'ed Iraq invasion of Kuwait, (2) howabout the Turkish genocide of the Kurds, Alevis & Armenians --- but that's OK cause Turkey was US ally, (3) who do you think sold Saddam the weapons to conduct his genocide? (US), (4) MidEast WAS full of dictators, MidEast IS still full of dictators, what's changed? ---- BTW, politics aside, it's just a good song
LevSinestra 4 months ago
@otaen if Iraq exported carrots and not oil would the u.s. have invaded? I dout it
catsrulz 2 months ago
@catsrulz No blood for carrots! No blood for carrots!
:-D
captspastic 1 month ago
I love the smell of napalm in the morning. Nothing better
martha3kids 8 months ago
you know how to ruin a perfectly good song
naykor 8 months ago
@naykor care to elaborate
mdreiger 8 months ago
@naykor regardless of this song and video which is in poor taste. It is true Bush gave permission to the to April Glaspie to invade Kuwait, and then Saddam went on live CNN and was ready to tell all and right while he was talking CNN said we will be right back after this break interrupted him and they never came back I was recording it. SO WHY would our Country give Saddam permission to invade Kuwait? I would still like to know that question...
energymining 2 months ago
How true! You really did a nice job; its a masterpiece. Anybody proud to be an American? Our forefathers are hanging their heads in shame.
topoftheday100 8 months ago
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Ding.. Dong ..the witch is dead!
MrStrontium90 8 months ago
@metrodome934 Ah, yes, the old "that which does not agree with me is an idiot and has no decency" argument. I'm familiar with it. It's been used before by some of the great mass murderers in world history. Please take a deep breath, then take your meds.
obiwan2112 9 months ago
Hey, yeah, let's indict George W. Bush as a war criminal. Great video. Why weren't Saddam Hussein's torture chambers, his trial and his hanging featured in this idiotic leftist video?
WilliamDRowlett 9 months ago
The song DOES remain relevant today. A good lesson to learn is that violence in a good cause is perfectly OK.
obiwan2112 10 months ago
@obiwan2112 if you are suggesting that the iraq war was just then you are obviously an idiot or void of any decency. or at least the only decency you have is the phony decency that comes when your conservative american parents brainwashed you into thinking the bible was a legitimate replacement for real human emotion.
metrodome934 9 months ago
Barack Hussein Obumbles is a terrorist - NO BLOOD FOR OIL!
OBUMBLES LIED, PEOPLE DIED!
I opposed this shit under Bush; I oppose it under Obumbles!
Can we not elect a president that doesn't play dice with the lives of our soldier and of innocent folks who never asked for war?!
JackBootLip 10 months ago
@JackBootLip yes im sure a republican president would be much better. idiot
metrodome934 9 months ago
@walkabout09 I agree and what is even more upsetting is that the UN security council is dominated by the US. There has been resolution after resolution passed by the UN to condemn the aggression and human rights violations of the Israeli government which never made it passed the veto of the UN security council by the US, often with all other members of the council approving the resolution and only the US opposing and still they have the power to veto. It's shameful
Mugchgu 10 months ago
@Mugchgu Its not like the US is the only one who abuses its Veto Privilage.
All of the big five use their Veto to protect themselves, their allies, and their corporations. I'd hardly expect any less.
JDarach 10 months ago
@JDarach I guess I have higher standards than you.
Mugchgu 10 months ago
@Mugchgu I'm not saying its a good thing.
I'm just a pragmatist.
JDarach 10 months ago
@JDarach I try to avoid labels that end in "ist," They're much too confining.
Mugchgu 10 months ago
RON PAUL FOR PRESIDENT!
sjk757 10 months ago
@sjk757 Dude...for real? On /this/ video?
JDarach 10 months ago
@JDarach Um, obviously you don't know Ron Paul's foreign policies.
sjk757 9 months ago
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@m1ndfr34k117 "Taking over governments: We do what's in our interests, if that means taking out a government, than so be it." <---- Al Qaeda does what's in their interests, if that means flying planes into buildings and killing innocent people, then so be it. Since Al Qaeda is a terrorist organization, then you have just admitted that the US government is also a terrorist organization. Your argument is completely defeated. Thanks for playing, loser.
Mugchgu 10 months ago
@Mugchgu We don't consistently attack civilians do do it though. And again, they can feel free to do what's in their interest, but killing civilians is not allowed. Not to mention that we have a large population to fight for, Al-Qaeda doesn't.
And no, I admitted that it was a terrorist act to bomb the water plants, not because we do what's in our interest.
m1ndfr34k117 10 months ago
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@m1ndfr34k117 "And no, I admitted that it was a terrorist act to bomb the water plants, not because we do what's in our interest."
I'll quote your post one more time. "We are going to put the US's interests above any law or other persons, if you don't like it, than fuck off."
Mugchgu 10 months ago
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Mugchgu 10 months ago
lol@all this stuff below me about this video when there is one scene of americans soldiers trying to help a wounded iraqi person...what an epic fail at an attempt to villanize our troops
(i wonder how many people will reply to this comment telling me how stupid i am and how great and smart they are..Well it doesnt really matter because i wont be back to visit this video anymore so have at it:D)
catskendall 10 months ago
@catskendall I don't think you're stupid at all. Our troops wouldn't need to be helping a wounded Iraqi if we had not invaded Iraq in the first place. In 2003, 55% of Americans thought that Saddam Hussein was directly involved in the 9/11 attack and over 80% of Americans believed Iraq had WMDs. Our troops are not the villains. They, like most of us, were duped. The villains are the cronies of those who profit from war (Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, etc) who sold us the war through the media.
Mugchgu 10 months ago
@Mugchgu Perhaps you need to realize that it is sometimes impractical to wage war within current laws and also that war is neccessary. You think building schools and water treatment plants will stop Al-Queda? I sure hope not. Our government is guilty of a lot of things, as is EVERY other prosperous country in the world. I also think you need to look up the definition of terrorism in a dictionary; you will see that it is not terrorism our government participates in.
m1ndfr34k117 10 months ago
@m1ndfr34k117 Perhaps you don't understand what the term "retaliation" means. What will stop Al-Qaeda is for for the US to stop killing innocent people. Al Qaeda is just a resistance group. Every empire has them. As far as the definition of terrorism, I have looked it up. Have you? Terrorism is defined, by official US and UN policy, as the use or threat of random violence to frighten, intimidate or coerce a civilian population toward some political end.
Mugchgu 10 months ago
@Mugchgu I do, but are you seriously trying to tell me that Al-Queda is only fighting us because we went there? That honestly made me laugh. They attacked us, not vice versa. They don't like our way of life and our religious beliefs. They will not stop because we do.
And by that definition, what have we done that qualifies as terrorism in this war?
m1ndfr34k117 10 months ago
@m1ndfr34k117 Most of the bombing the US did in Vietnam was in SOUTH Vietnam, to coerce the South Vietnamese from supporting communism and reunification with North Vietnam. That's Terrorism. During Reagan's illegal war in Nicaragua, US led forces, launched from bases in Honduras, attacked civilian targets to deter civilian support for the democratically elected Sandinista government. That's terrorism.
Mugchgu 10 months ago
@Mugchgu Okay, people need to stop using the term illegal war. Illegal by whose standards? Justifiable is a better term to use. The fact that people can believe wars are legal or illegal is appalling. And I can't speak about that, because I honestly don't know. But then again, what country has never used terrorism before? Not to mention the fact that that is in the past. Worry about preventing it, not about dwelling over what has already happened.
m1ndfr34k117 10 months ago
@m1ndfr34k117 Are you a teenager? What grade are you in? US military intervention in Nicaragua was illegal because Congress and the Senate had strictly forbid it. The Reagan administration did everything under the table. They sold arms to Iranian terrorist (ILLEGAL) and used the money to fund the Contra rebels who were trying to overthrow the Sandanista government. This was carried out with the aid of US mercenary forces and CIA operatives. ALSO ILLEGAL. Get your head out of your ass.
Mugchgu 10 months ago
@Mugchgu Perhaps and what do you care? Again, the fact that you can call a war legal or illegal is retarded. Try justifiable. Who cares what some pencil pusher says in some court? Was it justifiable? Either way, I'm not saying we're perfect. I'm saying that the wars we are in right now are both justifiable and necessary. Also, I'm pretty sure the President has the authority to supply other groups without the approval of congress and the senate. Get you're head out of the clouds.
m1ndfr34k117 10 months ago
@m1ndfr34k117 " Also, I'm pretty sure the President has the authority to supply other groups without the approval of congress and the senate."
And you would be pretty incorrect. Congress didn't give the executive branch that kind of authority until after the 9/11 attack, which put America one step closer to becoming a fascist dictatorship. It's obvious that you don't know enough about this topic to discuss it intelligently.
Mugchgu 10 months ago
@Mugchgu We are going to put the US's interests above any law or other persons, if you don't like it, than fuck off.
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@m1ndfr34k117 "We are going to put the US's interests above any law or other persons, if you don't like it, than fuck off."
This is the exact reason why the American empire, like every other empire in history, will fall. The US is the biggest threat to world peace and when the empire crumbles, the world will be a much safer place.
Mugchgu 10 months ago
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@m1ndfr34k117 "We are going to put the US's interests above any law or other persons, if you don't like it, than fuck off."
I just came across a quote by Christopher Dawson. "As soon as men decide that all means are permitted to fight an evil, then their good becomes indistinguishable from the evil they set out to destroy."
America is a terrorist state. Denying that only makes you a terrorist sympathizer and no better than a terrorist yourself.
Mugchgu 10 months ago
@m1ndfr34k117 At the end of the first Gulf War, US and UK forces bombed Iraq's water treatment plants and one of the things forbidden to sell Iraq during ten years of sanctions was chlorine. This was to coerce the Iraqi people into rising up against Saddam Hussein. One million people died of diseases directly related to not having access to clean drinking water. Half of them were children under the age of five. That was a cowardly and despicable act of terrorism.
Mugchgu 10 months ago
@Mugchgu I'm sure that sucked, and it doesn't surprise me. Am I saying that the US is a perfect nation? No, what nation is. What you seem to not understand is any large empire has had wars. BAD STUFF HAPPENS IN WARS. What do you propose, we just lay down our arms and allow terrorist groups to thrive because there's some collateral damage in war? Grow some balls and realize that these things happen.
m1ndfr34k117 10 months ago
@m1ndfr34k117 What I suggest is that we stop exploiting and enslaving the third world for corporate profits. It was our actions that produced terrorist groups. If you really think terrorist kill Americans because they hate freedom hate our way of life, you need to turn of Glenn Beck join reality. Democracy means nothing if it is not achieved by self determination and America doesn't really care about Democracy. We only care that a country's resources are privatized for American investment.
Mugchgu 10 months ago
@Mugchgu Profits? Just because people make money doesn't mean that the reasons behind something is a profit. We don't have police so that way we can make a profit from gun makers, car companies, uniform companies, etc. We do it because they are needed for our safety. Same exact thing. Will people profit from war? Absolutely, but that's not why were were/are there.
And terrorists do not like our way of life and even more our religion! PLEASE tell me how we started terrorist groups.
m1ndfr34k117 10 months ago
@m1ndfr34k117 "And terrorists do not like our way of life and even more our religion!"
Oh, so you equate being Muslim with being a terrorist. That explains a lot. Ever heard of the IRA? You know nothing about the motivations of Islamic terrorists and you're in compete denial of the state terrorism of the US govenrment. The only part of our way of life they don't like is the part where we murder their poeple and according to the Quran, Christians are also considered believers. You're ignorant.
Mugchgu 10 months ago
@Mugchgu No, I equate EXTREMIST Muslims with being terrorists. When did I say all Muslims are terrorists, or even imply it for that matter?
I know that Islamic terrorists are motivated by killing infidels which they consider any person who practices a religion other than their own to be. The government is not in a state of terrorism. Has it done it before, sure. Hiroshima and Nagasaki are examples, but currently that's not how we operate.
m1ndfr34k117 10 months ago
@m1ndfr34k117 "I know that Islamic terrorists are motivated by killing infidels which they consider any person who practices a religion other than their own to be."
Hahah, where did you hear that nonsense. Islam defines an infidel as an atheist or a polytheist while the three religions that worship the God of Abraham; Muslims, Christians and Jews, are all considered believers. Look up Surah II, verse 62 in the Quran. Honestly, where do you get this hill billy white trash busllshit?
Mugchgu 10 months ago
@m1ndfr34k117 Have you ever wondered why Osama Bin Ladin and Al Qaeda attacked the US on 9/11 or did you just believe this bullshit propaganda that was spoon fed to you by the media. Bin Ladin published a paper shortly after the attack outlining the reasons for the attack but for some reason, the media didn't report on it. They just told people that Muslims hate our way of life. Here's a link, just remove the spaces.
guardian. co. uk/world/2002/nov/24/theobserver
Mugchgu 10 months ago
@Mugchgu So they don't disagree with our religion? It says in one of the first few articles that they're pissed because Israel belongs to Jews. Thanks for helping my point.
The entire letter basically says that they are pissed because we stop them from Jihad. Plain and simple.
m1ndfr34k117 10 months ago
@m1ndfr34k117 No, that's not what it says. Are you intentionally lying to try and infuriate me. it won't work. I find the best way to educate the readers of these threads is to keep idiots like you posting. Nowhere in Bin Ladin's letter does it say he attacked because Israel belongs to the Jews and nowhere does it say that they are pissed because we stop them from Jihad so your point is in fact, refuted completely and the fact that you have blatantly lied about it shows that you know it.
Mugchgu 10 months ago
@Mugchgu Oh it doesn't?
" Palestine, which has sunk under military occupation for more than 80 years. The British handed over Palestine, with your help and your support, to the Jews, who have occupied it for more than 50 years; years overflowing with oppression, tyranny, crimes, killing, expulsion, destruction and devastation. The creation and continuation of Israel is one of the greatest crimes, and you are the leaders of its criminals."
m1ndfr34k117 10 months ago
@Mugchgu There's the Jews having Israel part. Here's the Jihad part.
These tragedies and calamities are only a few examples of your oppression and aggression against us. It is commanded by our religion and intellect that the oppressed have a right to return the aggression. Do not await anything from us but Jihad, resistance and revenge. Is it in any way rational to expect that after America has attacked us for more than half a century, that we will then leave her to live in security and peace?!
m1ndfr34k117 10 months ago
@Mugchgu So, because we have taken sides other than theirs in the past, we are now targets for Jihad. That's what it says, does it not?
m1ndfr34k117 10 months ago
@m1ndfr34k117 Nice attempt at right wing spin but no, you're still wrong and the very quotes you posted prove you wrong. It's not about not taking their side, you idiot. It's about " years overflowing with oppression, tyranny, crimes, killing, expulsion, destruction and devastation." And yes, one of the edicts of Islam is that you may take revenge against someone who has hurt you but cannot hurt them more than they have hurt you. The US and UK have been killing Palestinians since 1922.
Mugchgu 10 months ago
@Mugchgu "Oppression, tyranny, crimes, killing, expulsion, destruction and devastation" to them. We recognize the Jews right to Israel, they don't, so there's war. It's quite simple. And that by itself is proof that they have difference religious ideals and thus we have produced war.
m1ndfr34k117 10 months ago
@m1ndfr34k117 They have always recognized the right of Jews to live there and wanted Palestine to be a place where Muslims and Jews lived together in peace, like they did prior to 1922. However, the US and UK did not recognize the rights of Palestinians to live in Palestine. The government was set up as an Israeli government in which Palestinians were an "occupied people" having no rights. There are even Jewish communities in the US that revile Israel for the way Palestinians are treated.
Mugchgu 10 months ago
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I will give the dead bodies of the host of the Philistines this day to the birds of the air and to the wild beasts of the earth; that all the earth may know that there is a God in Israel. 1 Samuel 17:47
"He ordered the guards and officers to slaughter them all, and to let not a single one escape." (2 Kings Chapter 10 verse 25)
"Joshua destroyed everyone. They did not leave anyone alive." (Joshua 11:14) "They were put to the sword, destroying them all." (Joshua 11:12)
Mugchgu 10 months ago
@m1ndfr34k117 After the Romans were run out of Palestine, Muslims and Jews lived peacefully side by side in Palestine until the British Mandate of Palestine was issued September 11, 1922. It was a follow up to the Balfour Declaration of 1917. Learn your history, kid.
Mugchgu 10 months ago
@Mugchgu Then why should the US be attacked for that? Maybe you should use your brain, if you have one, and see that not only was that a British initiative but the US had NO HAND IN IT WHAT-SO-EVER! Learn your history before you help my case even more and make yourself look even more ignorant.
m1ndfr34k117 10 months ago
@m1ndfr34k117 No, you learn your history and quit cherry picking information to support an objective and false belief. Going back to the letter from Bin Ladin that you're too stupid to understand, it was the US and UK that have played an active role in the killing of Palestinians. After WWII, the UK was too busy licking their wounds so the US took over in Palestine. Within minutes of Israel declaring their sovereignty, the US recognized them as a nation. (continued)
Mugchgu 10 months ago
@Mugchgu There's nothing wrong with cherry picking as long as it's kept in context, and stop telling me to learn my history. What are you basing your assumption (that I don't know history) on? And okay, so what if we played an active role. What makes you think it's their right to the land?
m1ndfr34k117 10 months ago
@m1ndfr34k117 "There's nothing wrong with cherry picking as long as it's kept in context, and stop telling me to learn my history."
If you're cherry picking information that supports your subjective opinion and ignoring facts that disprove your opinion, there is no way to maintain context. Damn, that's a stupid thing to say. I'll stop telling you to learn history when you show the slightest degree of knowledge about history.
Mugchgu 10 months ago
@Mugchgu No, I'm picking each thing out because I don't feel like going through the entire letter and responding to each point. That's like explaining a book, you don't repeat the book, you hit on certain points to get the point across.
And I have shown you knowledge of history. Are you blind or just stupid?
m1ndfr34k117 10 months ago
@m1ndfr34k117 The settlement of Palestine by Israel is a page taken right out of US history. In settling the west, the US made treaties with the Native Americans, then built settlements on Native American land. When the Native Americans repsonded to that treaty violation with hostility, they were vilified and then slaughtered until they were willing to make a new treaty in which their land was smaller. That continued until they were cooped up on reservations. That's happening now in Palestine.
Mugchgu 10 months ago
@Mugchgu Oh well, again, our religion (being a Christian religion) says that it belongs to the Jews, Muslims say it belongs to them, so again, religious differences. It wasn't until the Muslim Conquests during the 7th Century after the prophet Muhammad died that the land ever became Arab land. So Jews had it first, then Arabs, and now they're mad because they got it back.
And what happens in other parts of the world typically aren't taught in US history, but instead world history.
m1ndfr34k117 10 months ago
@m1ndfr34k117 "Oh well, again, our religion (being a Christian religion) says that it belongs to the Jews, Muslims say it belongs to them, so again, religious differences."
No, dumbass, you're intentionally lying or your reading comprehension is that of a 4 year old. It's already been proven in the links I provided and in the quotes that YOU posted, that the Muslims believe Palestine belongs to the Muslims and the Jews because they are both followers of Moses.
Mugchgu 10 months ago
@m1ndfr34k117 Why don't you do a little research yourself and stop being ignorant. The UN proposed a two state solution in 1947 giving 55 percent of the land to Israelis and 45 percent to Palestinians. Israel now has over 75 percent of the land and they keep building settlements in Palestinian territory. Every resolution by the UN denouncing Israel's human rights abuses has been vetoed by the US in the UN security council. Here's a link.
jewishvirtuallibraryDOTorg/jsource/UN/usvetoesDOThtml
Mugchgu 10 months ago
@Mugchgu I've done my research and I know what I believe, so again, stop making assumptions 'cause it just makes you look like an ass. And yes, but the Israels have been at war with Palestine since 1948 and thus both sides have the right to push farther and farther to the other side. You're mad 'cause Israels bad-ass and Palestine's not right?
m1ndfr34k117 10 months ago
@m1ndfr34k117 "'ve done my research and I know what I believe, so again, stop making assumptions 'cause it just makes you look like an ass."
No you haven't and you make yourself look like an ass. As I said, there is NO EVIDENCE to support your subjective belief. You claim there is but so far you have not offered any. So far, in this dialogue, you have posted false and unsupported claims and I have corrected you with historical and scriptural facts.
Mugchgu 10 months ago
@Mugchgu Yes I have and no it doesn't. There is plenty of evidence to support what I'm saying. Maybe if you would do research from a non-biased perspective you would be able to find it. And what would you like to see? I haven't offered any 'cause honestly I haven't felt like copy and pasting it so, again, what would you like to see? And no, I have posted true claims by which you respond with Wikipedia and extremely biased sources. Honestly your idea of "evidence" or support is pathetic.
m1ndfr34k117 10 months ago
@m1ndfr34k117 "There is plenty of evidence to support what I'm saying. Maybe if you would do research from a non-biased perspective you would be able to find it. "
You were the one demanding that I provide links to support the things I have posted and the refuting of your idiotic and unsupported claims. You have not posted one single link to support ANYTHING you have posted.
Mugchgu 10 months ago
@Mugchgu Which is why I asked you what do you want to see? I can provide links, I've just never felt the need.
m1ndfr34k117 10 months ago
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@m1ndfr34k117 "Which is why I asked you what do you want to see? I can provide links, I've just never felt the need."
" Israel has tried multiple peace treaties by which they have been rejected by the other side."
" TERRORISTS DON'T BELIEVE CHRISTIANS ARE BELIEVERS THOUGH!"
"I know that Islamic terrorists are motivated by killing infidels which they consider any person who practices a religion other than their own to be."
Let's start with these. Where is your evidence?
Mugchgu 10 months ago
@m1ndfr34k117 Some more Jihad verses from the Christian Bible. Funny how ignorance and hypocrisy go hand in hand.
Deuteronomy 20:16-17 Only in the cities of these peoples that the LORD your God is giving you as an inheritance, you shall not leave alive anything that breathes. But you shall utterly destroy them, the Hittite and the Amorite, the Canaanite and the Perizzite, the Hivite and the Jebusite, as the LORD your God has commanded you.
Mugchgu 10 months ago
@Mugchgu It says in the bible itself, an eye for an eye, but it also says turn the other cheek. Islam, in my opinion, is a peaceful religion. It's the extremists that are truly calling for jihad. Do you see us invading people for the purpose of spreading Christianity? We've learned better than that.
m1ndfr34k117 10 months ago
@m1ndfr34k117 No, we invade other countries to increas corporate profits. There are all kinds of extremists, not just religious extremists. The difference is that a terrorist will place his own agenda above any law or person and will always find an excuse to feel justified in his criminal activities.
Mugchgu 10 months ago
@Mugchgu Oh really? That must be why the economy is so awesome right now. Again, just because some people profit doesn't mean that's the reason for starting a war. I'll go back to my cop analgy, just because gun companies, car companies, radio companies, uniform companies, etc make a profit because of the police force, that's not why they exist.
m1ndfr34k117 10 months ago
@m1ndfr34k117 "I'll go back to my cop analgy, just because gun companies, car companies, radio companies, uniform companies, etc make a profit because of the police force, that's not why they exist."
That's a non-sequitur argument. Since you have no real argument, you argue in extremes. Corporations can make profits without killing people and subverting governments. Those actions are not justified simply because they maximize profits.
Mugchgu 10 months ago
@Mugchgu Actually, it is a perfectly good argument, you just choose to brush it off as other than acceptable to you. And sure, I understand what you're saying that it isn't justified, but who are you to say that that's the reasons we went to war? You must've been there when the decision was made. You must've been inside everyones mind when they made the decision. Since you seem to be so good at finding so-called evidence, find me a direct correlation between high profit and the decision for war.
m1ndfr34k117 10 months ago
@m1ndfr34k117 "And sure, I understand what you're saying that it isn't justified, but who are you to say that that's the reasons we went to war?"
Who am I to say? I'm the guy who looks at ALL the evidence and doesn't just take the word of the corporate media. Here's your direct connection; under the Bush administration, eleven members of the defense council had direct ties to companies receiving billions in no-bid government reconstruction contracts.
Mugchgu 10 months ago
@Mugchgu I don't watch or listen to the cooperate media, I also do my own research. And reconstruction is a good thing? That's one reasons why I believe we went in, so help me understand why it's a bad thing.
m1ndfr34k117 10 months ago
@m1ndfr34k117 "I don't watch or listen to the cooperate media, I also do my own research. And reconstruction is a good thing?"
Obviously, you don't read the dictionary either. This is your most adolescent statement so far. Since reconstruction is to rebuild and repair all the things that were destroyed during the invasion, why do you think that's one of the reasons we went in? That doesn't even make sense and you're flat out lying when you say you do any research at all.
Mugchgu 10 months ago
@m1ndfr34k117 The main connection is the privatization of resources. If a countries resources, like oil, are nationalized so that the owners of the oil are the people of the country and profits from the oil sales are used to subsidize education and health care and infrastructure costs, then American oil companies can't invest in those resources and make money from them. Allan Greenspan admitted that the main reason for invading Iraq was the privatization of it's oil resources.
Mugchgu 10 months ago
@Mugchgu So if the US is privatizing foreign oil, can you please tell me why it's still so expensive? And Allan Greenspan was the Chairman of the Federal Reserve I believe, so something tells me he wasn't sitting there when the decision was made to invade Iraq. He is n't in a position to truly state what the reasons were.
m1ndfr34k117 10 months ago
@m1ndfr34k117 " So if the US is privatizing foreign oil, can you please tell me why it's still so expensive?"
What is considered "expensive"is a subjective point of view. If you were an adult with some real life experience, you'd know that what Americans pay for gas is very cheap compared to what most other countries pay. The only exception would be Arab oil producing states, for obvious reasons.
Mugchgu 10 months ago
@Mugchgu Let's see, $3.60 dollars a gallon or even more is ridiculous seeing as how there is plenty to go around. Oil isn't diamonds. I don't know what makes you think I'm not adult, but again (I've lost count how many times I've said this so far), stop assuming things because it just makes you look ignorant.
And can you provide any evidence of soldiers raiding oil fields to capture them and take all the spoils? No? Okay then.
m1ndfr34k117 10 months ago
@m1ndfr34k117 "Let's see, $3.60 dollars a gallon or even more is ridiculous seeing as how there is plenty to go around."
Another claim you can't support. Did you even bother to look up what other countries pay for gasoline? I understand that when oil companies are recording record profits, we are paying too much for gas but Wall Street sets the price of a barrel of oil depending on how much investment money is poured into oil futures. Market speculators are responsible for prices and profits.
Mugchgu 10 months ago
@Mugchgu I have a link that says that the US is the largest producer of oil, but I can't seem to post it on here. Type in "Charting the World's Oil-PBS" Also, you should look up the abiotic oil theory. In addition, usually when something such as oil, which today is a world necessity, goes low, it's big news. I haven't heard anything of low oil. I haven't heard any projections on when we will be out either, probably because it's too far away to tell.
m1ndfr34k117 10 months ago
@Mugchgu I agree that the speculators are responsible for part of it but either way, it would still be cheaper than it is, would it not? Also, on the raiding the oil fields argument, it's a strategic move for a war. You freeze up their oil, you cut down their income and obviously oil. You, being prior-service, should know that. Did the soldiers then ship all the oil back to the US behind everyone's back? Were they holding people at gunpoint and telling them to drop prices? No.
m1ndfr34k117 10 months ago
@m1ndfr34k117 First you deny that the US went after their oil and when the evidence proves you wrong, you then try to justify it. I think you just love to argue but you're not very good at it. And your rationale is laughable. What DID HAPPEN is that the Iraqi oil fields handed over "temporarily" to three oil corporations from the US, UK and Saudi Arabia and the interim Iraqi government was pressured to award exclusive oil rights to those corporations under 35 year contracts.
Mugchgu 10 months ago
@Mugchgu I never said we never went after their oil, I said that's not why we went over there. Don't twist my words you incompetent ass. Your rationale is even better because you think Wikipedia makes you a foreign affairs expert and that no one has any skeletons to hide.
Here's an article by TIME, I suggest you read it. Type in, "US Companies Shut Out as Iraq Auctions Its Oil Fields-TIME"
m1ndfr34k117 10 months ago
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@m1ndfr34k117 "I never said we never went after their oil, I said that's not why we went over there. Don't twist my words you incompetent ass."
Yes you said the reason we went there was for "reconstruction" even though there's no reason for reconstruction if we don't invade the country. That's because you're a stupid shit, I guess it doesn't matter that Bush and Cheney both have direct ties to big oil and natural gas corporations.
Mugchgu 10 months ago
@m1ndfr34k117 "And can you provide any evidence of soldiers raiding oil fields to capture them and take all the spoils? No? Okay then."
Now who is assuming things? There is evidence of this but I have no illusions about you. You only accept a source as unbiased if they agree with you. If they don't agree with you, they're liberal and therefore not credible in your opinion. I've encountered that circular cult mentality from your ilk many times. (continued)
Mugchgu 10 months ago
@Mugchgu I am, because although I've told you to stop multiple times, you've persisted. And no, I accept a source as unbiased if it is in no position to gain anything from being biased or doesn't have biased people controlling it. And I understand that, but there is two sides to every story. You can argue two different points and both be credible. Also, show me an instance where Glenn Beck hasn't been right about something and tell me why he isn't credible. However, I listen to Michael...
m1ndfr34k117 10 months ago
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@m1ndfr34k117 "lso, show me an instance where Glenn Beck hasn't been right about something and tell me why he isn't credible."
You're kidding right? First, Beck has made the repeated claim that fascism and socialism are the same thing. Now that's laughable. Beck also claims that the democratic uprisings in the middle east are socialist uprisings. Beck is a corporate sellout and a traitor to America.
Mugchgu 10 months ago
@Mugchgu ...Medved, not Rush or Beck. And they are opinions based on previous facts though. You should realize that they usually talk about the future, thus no facts exist and fo current events, they have cited their sources.
m1ndfr34k117 10 months ago
@m1ndfr34k117 (resumed) One thing your narrow mind cannot fathom is that in our society, you can be sued for making profits off of your writings if you make factual claims that are false therefore you must have a referenced source index to prove everything you claim as factual. It doesn't matter if you think Berkley University is liberal, Professor Johnson was never sued for making false claims and as a former CIA consultant, his facts trump your opinion. (continued)
Mugchgu 10 months ago
@m1ndfr34k117 (resumed) Those source indexes are why you find the writings of people like Noam Chomsky, Chalmers Johnson, Howard Zinn, Naomi Klein and Arundhati Roy in the non-fiction section of the library while books by Glenn Beck and Sarah Palin are "editorial pieces" like memoirs and will be found in the fiction section of the library because they make no factual claims, only stated opinions. (continued)
Mugchgu 10 months ago
@m1ndfr34k117 (resumed) There are many factual writings about the Iraq invasion which state that US forces had secured the oil fields within hours of the invasion. One such book is "An Ordinary Person's Guide To Empire" by Arundhati Roy. All her claims are source referenced as well, since there are plenty of wealthy conservatives who would love to discredit her with a lawsuit. I still haven't seen one single link provided by you for any of your claims but I knew you couldn't provide any.
Mugchgu 10 months ago
@Mugchgu I provided you with a link of Palestine and Israel seeking peace and I've tried to provide you with a link for the oil debate. I am more than willing to provide links for everything, as I said before.
Now that I think about it, I had trouble posting the link on here too for the Israel-Palestine peace talks, so type this in. (It says Error, try again) when I post a link. I've tried spaces but it doesn't work.) Type in "Israel and Palestinians commit to 2008 peace treaty | Reuters"
m1ndfr34k117 10 months ago
@m1ndfr34k117 You do realize that your link was from 2008 and that those peace talks fell through, not because the Palestinian Authority rejected them. The PA wants a two state solution. The problem was that Israel refused to halt settlement expansion during those talks. It's an obvious ploy by the Israeli government. All they are doing is stalling while they keep taking more land. Israel will never agree to a two state solution and the US will keep vetoing every UN resolution to achieve one.
Mugchgu 10 months ago
@Mugchgu Yes I do, and I understand they fell through because they couldn't reach an understanding. Either way, the simple fact is they both would prefer total control of the land, a two-state solution is more of a compromise than anything else, and neither want that. I think you're just mad Israel's winning. If Palestine was kicking Israel's ass, would you be complaining like you are now?
m1ndfr34k117 10 months ago
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@m1ndfr34k117 "a two-state solution is more of a compromise than anything else, and neither want that. "
Another unsupported claim by a lying piece of shit. Palestine wants the UN resolution of a two state solution upheld. Israel is the ONLY one that doesn't want a two state solution and the US supports them by blocking every UN resolution through the UN security council. Your claim has no basis in reality.
Mugchgu 10 months ago
@m1ndfr34k117 "I think you're just mad Israel's winning. If Palestine was kicking Israel's ass, would you be complaining like you are now?"
If you're not a child, you probably don't want people to know you're an adult. This is not a sporting event so I'm not mad because Israel is winning. Israel is lying about wanting peace. They only want the total extinction or removal of Palestinians in Gaza and the West Bank. The only thing that makes me mad is the willful ignorance of people like you.
Mugchgu 10 months ago
@Mugchgu Okay, so Israel wants the land that they're religion says is theirs anyways. You blame them for that? And that's one theory, not necessarily mine, but maybe they do want peace. Who are you to say they don't? And you do realize there are Palestinian serving in the Israeli government right? It's not about the people, it's about the land. Like I've said countless times before, both sides want land, and they will fight for it.
m1ndfr34k117 10 months ago
@m1ndfr34k117 If you want to believe that the US is justified in it's quest for hegemony, that's fine. Educated people know different. Your beliefs are created by cherry picking information that doesn't tell the whole story and when the whole story is told, you deny it's validity with false claims of biased sources. To you, a liberal source is not a credible source and a liberal source would not agree with you. Therefore any source that doesn't agree with you isn't credible. You're an idiot.
Mugchgu 10 months ago
@Mugchgu Really? That must be why there's mass protest in the streets...'cause all the educated people realize this. And when I cherry pick, I keep it in context. I don't see your point of how I'm missing the whole story. When a murder investigation, do you just say. "Oh well it was probably Mr. Plum in the library with the pipe."? No, you look at details. Same here. And you're right; same goes for republican sources. Any source which has something to gain by taking one side or another is biased
m1ndfr34k117 10 months ago
@m1ndfr34k117 "And when I cherry pick, I keep it in context."
Further proof that your dumb ass doesn't know what cherry picking means. When cherry picking is done, it's always done in context. It just means that you only incorporate information that supports your argument and willfully omit information that disproves your argument.
Mugchgu 10 months ago
@Mugchgu Then by that definition you are cherry picking as well. You are ommiting my evidence (which comes from reputable sources such as TIME, PBS, etc.) and only relying on yours (Wikipedia).
m1ndfr34k117 10 months ago
@m1ndfr34k117 Furthermore, what makes you think privatizing oil is to make it cheaper for us. All of our oil from Alaska is sold to Japan. Privatization of resources just makes a few people rich. It's not designed to benefit us at all.
Mugchgu 10 months ago