2061x vs 1974x with LP-295 Florentine Les Paul

[herc122]

Hi, I have an 18 watt combo. I have a question about the 1st (non-trem) channel. When I roll my tone knob to about 8 it stops getting crisper. After 8 it actually loses volume and starts getting warmer again. Is that normal? Thank you for your time. BTW nice demo!!

[tonemaster1]

@herc122 can you explain in more detail why you mean after 8 it gets warmer? I find that the higher the tune knob turns, it will overdrive the amp even more (is that what you means by it gets warmer?). so if you play this amp loud, you kind of have to dime the volume and almost dime the tone for the best distortion sound. I haven't seen my volume drop though.

[herc122]

@tonemaster1 By warmer I mean muddier/muffled. Like I'm turning the tone knob in the opposite direction and I also get a bit of a volume drop as well. What your describing, about your amp, is how I expected mine to function as well. Defective tone pot maybe?

[tonemaster1]

@herc122 when I go past 8 I get more overdrive and slightly crisper (but not like what you are describing). One last thing I can think of is that both channels are somewhat linked, so if the knobs on the other channel are up, then that also affects the tone (even if you don't jump channels). What you are describing, however, seems to be a problem with the pot (or something else in the amp). Hope this helps!

[CarbonSource]

I agree that cab selection is critical to tone on the 2061x I have. I think it is "dark" and "muddy" with closed back / greenback equipped cabs, esp Marshalls, and a Les Paul style guitar. I like an open back 4x10 Mesa cab I have, or maybe could get away with a Telecaster. Contrast I use "darker" eg Marshall cabs with my Mesa heads. Someone call these guys.

[xpander001]

Enough loud for playing with a band??

[tonemaster1]

@xpander001. The 1974X is not as loud when it comes to the "low end" as the 2061x. the 1974X breaks up earlier, so I'd say it won't be loud enough with a loud drummer. I am not sure either of these amps can keep up with a drummer unless you can mic the amp (or some people boost the 2061x to get the volume with a drummer). I play these amps in a practice studio with an electronic kit, so I'm not very loud. Live the amp would be mic'd up.

[spatnaspolecnost]

@xpander001 I have the 20W and the matching 2x12 cab and I can say it's definitely loud enough. :)

[tonemaster1]

@spatnaspolecnost you play it un-mic'd? with a drummer? I haven't played the amp out, normally I only use my AC30 on a gig, and most of the time I Mic things. I sometimes have to max this in my practice room, with an electric drum kit, and it just barely gets there. But then again, maybe it just hits the spot at 10 and gives the right volume

[dsl100stack]

That was awesome!! These are some awesome amps. I may have to pick up one. i like the slightly cleaner tendency of the 2061, simply cause those are beautiful cleans. but i won't want to run that monster through my 4x12 ahaha

[tonemaster1]

@dsl100stack Yeah, you can't go wrong with these amps specially if you want to do some recording. The speaker cabinet makes the biggest difference in tone. I have since been using the 2061x with a 2x12 celestion blue cabinet (a copy of the 2061cx but with blues). KILLER tone!!! I'll make a demo of it at some point! Thx for your comments!

[martyfriedman666]

its hard to tell without playing them but to me the 1974x sounds niceer and more natural sounding. cool demo.

[tonemaster1]

@martyfriedman666 I agree with you, the 1974x sounds a little nicer, but less volume and less low end than the 2061x. I find myself loving the 1974x when playing at low volumes, but use the 2061x (with a pair of celestion blues) when playing louder with my drummer. Both are great amps though!

[warouff]

et la lumière ?

sinon bon son !