★ WoW PvP - Frost DK PvP Guide (Episode 2) - Zabermoul + TGN.TV

[MrPunfag]

FAIL! haste is more important than spell pen, especially for dual wield.

[mufasalord]

im quite new to pvp so i was just wondering if expertise effects pvp at all, seeing how you only have 3expertise

[Reassure]

hey mate can u please tell the name of the addon for action bar ?? i searched everwhere but cant find it :S

[deons93]

QUESTION- whats better 2hander or duelwielding for pvp?

[ThatGuy9811]

PLEASE THUMBS THIS UP SO PEOPLE WILL SEE.

You can get exactky 195 spell pen with =

70 spell pen on cape

2 Storm Ocean Sapphires (blue 50 SP gem)

and a Vivid Dream Emerald (25 SP 20 resi green)

[zachsworlds]

@ThatGuy9811 Thank you! Helped quite alot considering I was a bit under the cap

[kyraXrose]

Why would you put a hybrid str/stam? The +10 whatever isn't going to be worth losing the extra, what is it, 20% strength you get from a full bold inferno ruby....

[kyraXrose]

195 spell pen cap = 70 spell to cloack ench, 2 full spell pen gems, 1 hybrid resil/spell pen gem....bam, 195 on the dot.

[AlphaDragon88]

@kyraXrose thats onli with the new gems

[kyraXrose]

@AlphaDragon88 the new cata epics you get from DS? Wouldn't resil be better than stam? I mean...as a dk you have Lich heals, sac, and death strike. I just wouldn't waste my gems on stam, I either always have a healer, or the target is dead before I need heals ha.

[YangBalanceYin]

Razor ice. Not a troll attempt. And thanks for this, as I'm a nooby dk.

[KingImpecable]

is it still 195 the spell penetration cap?

[AMDBulldozer89]

@KingImpecable It will be the cap until mist of Pandara because the buffs that provide resistance won't raise until you level up ; )

[zhamyboy]

wher can i buy the +38 Attack power on the wrist??

[blazingworriors]

Whats better for 2v2's 2h or 1hs? As a frost dk/ healer?

[brianlimmy]

@blazingworriors 2h for sure as you'll be spamming necrotics on the other team's healer and 1hs isn't good at that

[dargorwarrior]

Nice

[mismaiel2365]

can u tell me what addons do u use ?

[3944molda]

well im doing great in the bgs as a frost dk the movie was great on enchanting and gemming but i need help which is better to carry a 2hand wep or 1 hand weps i have speced for both and idk which is better

[poliphilo196]

To address something you said in the video, you can reach 195 spell pen by enchanting your cloak with +70 and gemming 2x 50 spell pen gems and 1x 20 resil and 25 spell pen.

[theeyesofthepatriot]

@poliphilo196 agreed, thats how i run my setup and it hits the nail right on the head

[mraldo009]

is it possible to use sword and shield instead of 2h swords or dual wield for tanking?

[TreefrogLetsPlays]

toggle your helm on the horde r ugly as shit

[Say0n]

awesome guiddddddddde

[theeyesofthepatriot]

ive always been told razorice mainhand fallen crusader off, can i please get some feedback on this video says oppisite

[Zabermoul]

@theeyesofthepatriot

Its simple... Ask youself whats more important. Razorice or Fallen Crusader proc? Righ! Fallen Crusader. The reason you put it on mainhand is cus you will miss alot more with your offhand on auto attacks and on top of that your offhand hits slower. Ofc your yellow swings hit with both hands but to ensure you have Fallen Crusader up and running as much as possible you put it on your mainhand.

[theeyesofthepatriot]

@Zabermoul ok it just made sense to me to have MH razor ice because i stack mastery over haste/crit so logically more frost damage equals more howling blast damage and thats my main source of damage in rbgs, but i see what your saying STR is technically more important than mastery, so ill try it out for a while and see how it goes

[Shelandus]

hi ! how many points of prenetation do you have ?

[DeathbyPvp]

goblin?

[MultiTimbero]

what does mastery do?(yes, i'm a noob)

[daneyboi313]

@MultiTimbero increases your damage 2% + damage for every point you have youtubers correct me if im wrong please

[therunescapeking1997]

i've got some questions is mastery better(more important) than haste in pvp and don't you need expertise for pvp?

[AfuzzAmro]

@MyrZeth Dual Wielding does more damage, but 2H is better for minimal uptime and necrotic stacking.

[daneyboi313]

i didnt reforge mastery i reforged for crit/ haste and i seem to do pretty well

[NickThaKing1]

@daneyboi313

Crit is the worse stat for frost DKs.

[daneyboi313]

@NickThaKing1 Wow Really i know how to play as pve but i havnt been pvping alot soo im not really sure how to stack my stats atm

[NickThaKing1]

@daneyboi313

Yeah for PvP you should go with mastery then haste.

[daneyboi313]

@NickThaKing1 Ahhh ok ty :)

[theeyesofthepatriot]

@daneyboi313 if it s working for you go for it but i pull about .5 to 1 mill more damage than a hate/crit frost dk in the average rbg, i stack all mastery and resil and i still have about 58% haste, plus 30 percent increased frost damage

[PooderRodney]

For the fourth video I don't think doing a BG is really going to prove much because people in BG's are horrible. They are completely undergeared most of the time and it's not about testing your abilities against another's when it's an objective game not about KB's or DPS charts. Do a 2's arena and show us your current rating for it when you go in as well as a 1v1 duel against a Frost Mage seeing as people THINK that DK's wipe them which I know is complete bs.

[PooderRodney]

Stamina is completely useless for anything but tanking so i've no idea why that was there and people in PvP do not dodge or parry a whole bunch unless they are rogues are feral druids so if anyone has any input on this please let me know.

[PooderRodney]

Okay this is confusing to me considering that I have always thought and am pretty sure that you want to, for Frost PvP, gem in Strength, Resillience, and Spell Penetration. Strength in red sockets, Resil in Yellow, and Spell Pen in blue or the 20/20 gems of resil and spell pen along with strength. I do 20/20 Strength and Resil in red or yellow and 25/20 resil and spell pen in blue sockets and then reforge all my gear for either haste or mastery.

[flames851]

are u going to make a blood death knight guide for PVP?

if not please do

[brodie641]

hey just wonering wat action bar you have?

[wowconqerer99]

wow this is really helping me alot. ive been trying to fiw up my frost DK for a while now, and im nuking!!

[MadSkilz93]

Just a tip too try going razorice main-hand and fallen crusader off-hand its just more dmg

[MadSkilz93]

just enchant primary str then str then other stat enchants

[Ruigeroel]

dude srsly sometimes ur totaly right but sometimes WTF! first off all spell penetration is NOT needed for DK's and if u fight with dual wield runeforge like this main wpn razorice of hand fallen crusader cus razorice does 2% xtra dmg on ur wpn and obviously ur main wpn does more dmg than ur off so does the 2% do more dmg on ur main wpn than ur of wpn

[chris00499]

what addon do you use for the damagetext :)?

[Piisceiss]

no haste?

[GTFOIMAO]

I love you man. Good with a guide for all dk nabs out there to have a chance :)

[ExiitNsX]

Whats the addon for his runes?!?!!?

[AstreaGrand54]

isnt dw better than 2h now???

[ReMoRsEllWatson]

Do 2 +50 spell pen, the cloak, and a green 20 resi+25 spell pen gem

[webmant9]

I got to give you a tip on rezzing yourself in arena. Get this item called Darkmoon Card: Twisting Nether. It has a 10% chance to revive you with 20% HP and mana. It works in all arenas as long as you don't die last. The trinket has no stats and is a level 60 epic item.

[FABIO10195]

ii got 67% haste on my death knight :>

[mordecaitheweedguy]

@Slayerman256 well in pve it's a solid exp cap but In pvp even if you have exp cap you will still be dodged and parried because players have parry and dodge rating like warriors dks and pallies have a base 27% parry chance so they will still parry you even on exp cap

[bo0mbula]

The only thing would be the rune regeneration when you get rid of haste. The weapon auto attacks don't matter much to me. The only issue I would run into is slow rune regen.

[jubjubthepoke]

arrrr cant find the runes section!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Slayerman256]

Could you please explain why expertise isn't important. I'm new with frost dk's, I use to play a retribution paladin in pvp. So I read some forums about frost dk's, mainly for pve, and the expertise cap is really important in pve, why not in pvp ?

Thank you for your guide it's very helpfull and sorry about my bad English !

[evil8675309]

@Slayerman256 Expertise are designed for PvE. Its in the tooltip when you mouseover it.

[Clipzarn]

:)

[EliteWowProductionz]

What UI is that?

[EliteWowProductionz]

CHECK OUT MY CHANNEL FOR WARRIOR/DK 2V2'S!

[lovevolbeat13]

@zabermoul Same here xD

[surfmongolid]

the spell pene cap is 220;)

[Zabermoul]

@surfmongolid

Nope its 195

[benblue3]

IM EXACTLY THE 13000TH VEIWER :)

[Cryziz23]

@benblue3 and im the 15000th :D

[benblue3]

@Cryziz23 :D:D:D

[PINPKO]

Definitely, a good instructional video, but most of all i give it to you for taking your time to explain all in pure detail. Good job. I'd like to see you in action. please show us some videos you kicking buttttt, at arena or BG.  A+++

[achielonius]

silly question but gemming Strength /Crit would be a bad thing ? instead of Strength /Mastery ?

[Zabermoul]

@achielonius

You dont need crit as you have Killing Machine. Thats why you go for Mastery.

[DarinYoder]

dw = razorice mainhand fallen crusader offhand....

[ForBLC]

/watch?v=PQGzic_hgLY  dont watch !! xD

...and nice video ;)

[BooAnnddKiitiee]

10 thumbs up love the video plz keep making them, really well done =D

[deejayfowler]

dunno if its only me but why the hell waste gems on str stam when theres much more usefull gems out there str-res etc and if sum1 gonna say about but its a blue socket use your blue sockets to get ya spell pen cap :D simples and god damn cant afford the bracers enchant its like 12g on my server glad am not on his :D

[aepocalypsa]

For the pve guys that are wondering: haste, while the vest secundary stat in pve, loses much of its value in pvp as you usually dont have a high ToT(time on target; youre not always hitting stuff)

[stry423]

whens the next episode coming out?

[Zabermoul]

@stry423

Thuesday or wedensday ;)

[Steveisamonkeyninja]

do some battleground and show us this stuff in action!

[bazwollv]

Guys I have a question, what is better Unholy or Frost, I plan to PvP with a mage soon 2v2

[manhuntAC]

@bazwollv urrrrrm frost is good at snaring people and unholy is good at pissing people off

[AnightKnight]

@bazwollv what mage is it? im frost and i do 2's with frost/fire mage since there both freezing and slowing them its pritty good :)

[bazwollv]

What is this guy doing in my shot XD I laughed XD

[TheKromaz]

what is this ui?? looks great...

[b4g4b3l]

10x, it helpd a lot ! i will respec from unholy to frost and try owning some fulls :) release the rotation faster :))

[kazcheesydoritobomb]

Please thumbs this up.

To all the people amazed at the 57% haste, this is normal for frost deathknights. Icy Talons + Unholy Presence is a minimum of 30% Haste. I can't be arsed to look it up right now.

[Chronicle2150]

@kazcheesydoritobomb I have 71% haste on my DK :\

[WhiteMaverick321]

@Chronicle2150 You dont need high haste if your frost specced though, so well done for poor itemization.

[Chronicle2150]

@WhiteMaverick321 That's in my PVE gear... dummy

And yes, you DO want high haste in PVE.

[WhiteMaverick321]

@Chronicle2150 So why post that on a PvP video?

[Chronicle2150]

@WhiteMaverick321 Because I can?

[MrDethmettle]

@kazcheesydoritobomb so if im dw in frost presence i need to reforge/stat priority haste?

[thegracefullpig]

youtube tip: to make it look more professional and without having to explain "there wil be a link to the next video up in the top right, but its not out yet so it wont work" just say that in an annotation in the same spot the link should be :)

[mrdeath212]

yes i liked this video a lot, it was very useful. thank you for the video!!! =]

[wired1232050]

How about you teach Big C?

[mizzouboi4life]

57% haste O.O

[Hamofasa]

this is so awesome could you please ask one of the warriors in tgn to do the same please i still trying to find out hit rating for pvp for warriors and then the main stats to follow after that

[11Karoe]

@Hamofasa

Go look up dontain, he made a video on how to reach the hit cap in the bloodthisrty gear and he's bringing out one for how to do it in the vicious gear soon :)

[loudscast]

@Hamofasa I can do it. Hit for Arms is 5% for Fury it's going to be higher, not to sure.

[Ghostburn70]

Tell Dontain to do a warrior video like sooz

[Nomyourdkp]

I'm actually curious, prior to 4.1, most frost dk's were preferring haste over mastery for the runic power generation, has that changed or is it still just a preference?

[AwsmSausmPausms]

why is expertise so worthless?

[Nomyourdkp]

@AwsmSausmPausms It is a pve stat that does little to nothing to actual players

[skillzpunk]

show some of your bg's

[mrgrantowner]

good work man :D

[thegracefullpig]

Mastery is now pretty shit in 4.1

[Garuzikima]

Dude how can you not have enough gold for enchatns you have like 10k gold or is that something else at the top right hand

[Zabermoul]

@Garuzikima

Hehe when i say too expensive i meen... It cost more then im willing to pay ;)

[Naughtyswine]

Wrong sir.... You do NOT want to stack mastery! Haste is your most important stat because not only does it your runes to generate more quickly, but it will also make RP gain much much faster, which will in turn equal tons more frost strikes at the end of the arena. Don't get me wrong, mastery is a very nice stat and quite helpful, but it does not get priority over haste. Lastly, seriously with the wrist enchant lol?

[GOTHICLORD69]

@Naughtyswine Duel Weild + Haste + Unholy Pres + Duel Wield Frost Specs = rape XD

mines like 62.47%

XD

[Nomyourdkp]

@GOTHICLORD69 DW frost was phased out in pvp because of the MotFW's massive RP generation. DW just doesn't compete in pvp.

[DeadHero14]

@MrPeanutbutter96

Well Said Dude!

[Zeraan1337]

Mastery is NOT better than haste.

[EnjoiCodyHarrison]

@Zeraan1337 Yes it is, you don't need haste when you pvp as a frost dk. Your rune regen comes from talents and you certainly don't need to worry about white swings considering in an arena their probably 4% overall of your damage. Also, Icy Talons and Unholy pressence give TONS of haste so there is no reason to gem or reforge it.

[Zeraan1337]

@EnjoiCodyHarrison Nah, haste is better. You don't understand why, more than likely, because you think Icy Talons actually gives rune regen, LOL.

[GOTHICLORD69]

@EnjoiCodyHarrison yea but the faster you are the more dps and attack speed you have and the qucker your runes pop. basically its classed as butt rape at like 62.47% haste

[EnjoiCodyHarrison]

@GOTHICLORD69 " the faster you are" I hope you're not talking about your run speed. Anyways, your attack speed is scaling off of white swings. Which as i stated before aren't anything compared to damage from oblits and frost strikes. Haste was preferred post 4.1 now our mastery has come back on top. Haste is from PvE frost dk's. Mastery for PvP

[EnragedPvP]

great vid

[vilatsa]

isnt the cap 195?

[Zabermoul]

@vilatsa

You are correct. I have added an anitation to the first time i mention the cap. Thanks for pointing it out and sorry for the confusion. Human error on my part. Lots of details to cover and i had my notes wrong.

[vilatsa]

@Zabermoul np, just saying... cuz 195 is much closer to 200 than 170 :b idplay dk so dont mind me.

[popitheking]

looking forward to bg do commmentery sorry for bad spelling

[TheROCKCANTDIE]

with that expertise when u fight rogs or feral droods the only thing u gonna see on screen is DODGE man... and i think haste is more important than mastery for 2h,u need to proc killing machine a lot to keep pressure on ppl

[Crazybuttlazy]

nice accent me lovz btw that haste iz 2 mach

[centurion343]

i love goblin's!!! <3

[wallaceparty1986]

people who play rogues, deathknights, mages, and hunters are bad and need to leave the game, because they are the only classes that blizzard buffs every patch, frost deathknights are a joke, nobody played them before patch now everyone does and a same goes with sub rogue, and thats my point people only play op classes because they cant play say a warrior that gets debuffed everypatch, or druid, paladins, people dont play classes that get debuffed just because they are bad

[Slanerislana]

@wallaceparty1986 paladins were insane in 4.0.6 mate

[Weylin09]

@wallaceparty1986 resto druids are op in 2's.....4.06 95% of the rogues were sub....I've been playing a frost dk since wrath. A warrior has so much burst its not even cool dude...i have 22k armor and 37% damage reduction with resil... still arms warriors are hitting me 35k+'s executes. Who's op

[Esdrei2011]

@Weylin09 the player behind the screen and 359 gear are op

[TheROCKCANTDIE]

@wallaceparty1986 agree,but don't judge ppl for what they play,for example i played frost dk from WOTLK start and always liked it... should i stop now cuz blizzard buffed em? and paladin are the more buffed class

[skyhawk427]

@wallaceparty1986 ur a fking idiot warriors and paladins are always the most op classes in the game even after debuffs so stfu u can go die in a fire...

[Zabermoul]

@wallaceparty1986

QQ more? I have played the DK class since the beginning of Wrath and stuck with it till now. Also i see no relevance to this guide in regards of your comment.

[MrPenutbutter96]

@wallaceparty1986

saying "DK's Mages and hunters and bad and need to leave the game" is bullshit.

I myself play a Feral druid

go ahead look at my channel I have many Feral video's of me playing arena and pvp

Your making a statement that is completely stupid. Saying that is like saying someone can only play Every class But a DK mage or hunter.. okay if thats what your saying.. then wheres your

couterspells. Traps. Ring of Frost. Smoke bombs. All important stuff...

FYI Zaber's always been frost.

[wallaceparty1986]

@MrPenutbutter96 you sir are retarded, mages, dks, rogues and huntards are the easiest classes to play and take no skill

[xXSH4D0WZz]

@wallaceparty1986 Huuurp a deerp, your a baddie!

[MrPenutbutter96]

@wallaceparty1986

Keep thinking that "Sir" I'm not engaging into an argument over a screen with you.

Your saying classes don't take skill, yet you most likely rage quit over being killed by those mores killed than yourself.

Might want to learn to punctuate whilst your thinking about some sort of pathetic response to this.

[wallaceparty1986]

@MrPenutbutter96 sir im done with this game, this game use to be good and fun to play, but now its retarded and fucked up mages, huntards dks and rogues is all you see and they take no skill I ain arguing over a screen because If you met me in real life you wouldnt have anything to say because I would just dominate you and send you to the hospital so whatever, all you warcraft nerds who think you good need to think again good bye fags go out and get laid, its good for you, o wait you cant, lmao

[MrSkipper0808]

@wallaceparty1986 Someones very butthurt. Oh and btw Dk:s do take skill to play.

[DeadHero14]

Yet another good video Hibz! Cant wait for part three!

Yaz

[Nekromable]

2H frost: haste > mastery. KM procs. kthxs

[mitraljez]

you are one broke ass goblin ;D

[Devildonkey1]

wow this dude's voice really annoys me to the point I want to fucking kill a baby

[Zabermoul]

@Devildonkey1

Then dont watch the video when it says Zabermoul in the title. Noone is forcing you to watch it.

[kidkash777]

@Devildonkey1 are you fucking RETARDED it's a voice is it attacking your ears or something you need to chill out just cos he's got a different accent you have to hate?

[mitraljez]

cant do anything to neck so... MJEH ;D

[Ohai44]

I've found as 2hd Haste is more important than Mastery because of Killing Machine Proc's

[TheSupar]

is he even 2.2k?

[tizen123]

@TheSupar What if he's not? Some people at 1800 got more skills and knowledge about the game than other players who plays KFC combo, and win every single time ;)

[MrBlaarghh]

I'm kinda tired of the "look at my character pane while i talk for a whole video" videos.

get out there and break some faces and show real situations. break down actual fights. show when to use cooldowns .

if next video is standing in front of a target dummy and showing a rotation, i will be very disappointed.

[irounilmfir]

i got like 71% ish

[Tele2k]

very ncie guide ep1 and 2 just got my DK to lvl 85 and was thinking doing some pvps ! so nice guide keep it

up !

[MrPenutbutter96]

Don't let the fucking retards get you down' bro, great guide and very helpful.

Zabermoul knows exactly what he's talking about guys, he's been playing the DK ever since you could do so, he spends HOURS testing shit to give YOU guys advise, and you have the balls to sit there and slag him off that he's not "2200" Thats all I have to say on the matter. good job bro. =]

[rugbyx]

like you dude we have almost the same way of thinking frost dk keep up the good work

[xLizm]

This is a horrible guide, you want Fallen Crusader on your OFFHAND, dont listen to this guy.

[ImHiDef]

@xLizm

noob

[Zabermoul]

@xLizm

Dont confuse PvE with PvP. Look at some of the comments i have made below.

[GOTHICLORD69]

@xLizm to be honest it does't matter where it is if you spec duel weild in frost you get the same hit rate as the main hand weap

[xLizm]

@GOTHICLORD69 no ur so dumb, you put FC on offhand coz special attacks never miss from Oh, so fallen crusader will have as much up time as possible. you put razorice on main bcoz its not as important so it doesnt matter if you miss

[xLizm]

@GOTHICLORD69 no dude, there is a talent that makes all offhand specials hit no mater what, so thats why if goes on offhand so its always up!

[Zabermoul]

@prankstaRdbFtw

Its the other way around and here is why... As you cant hit the hitcap for pvp (im talking about the hardcap) your gonna be missing alot with your offhand. The most important of those 2 runes is Fallen Crusader and having that in offhand is gonna make it proc less.

[prankstaRdbFtw]

@Zabermoul ah i see good point, gonna remove my comment because i like you dont wanna flame

[infameable]

mosgaard i think youre right

[Mosgaard]

Danish accent is so not good for english :P

THe spell pen you said is