wowww japs just get the hell out of here. I feel sorry for all of u japs cause u never learn the REAL history. just go eat ur fuc*in nuclear sushi :-)
South Korean gov insists that Tok-do is a territory of Korea for the world. As a result, world people come to know that Dokdo is a troubled area. It is ironical.
If South Korea gov wishes the international society recognizes Takeshima as a SK territory, SK gov must go to ICJ.
Japan has found that there is no international judges Korea. So Japan has been lying to deceive the world people to steal Dokdo. Japan has done the fraud behavior which deceives the person. Korea waits for the time. It waits for the that 15 South Korean judges appears in the international courthouse. Dokdo historically is territory of the Republic of Korea. Dokdo historically is territory of the Republic of Korea.
South Korea was ruled 512 years Dokdo. And past Japan recorded that Dokdo is Korean territory. Therefore. Dokdo is Japanese territory not. But Japan has done the fraud behavior of the world. And. There is no Korean judge in the international courthouse. But for Japan. There is the Japanese judge in the international courthouse. There is no international judge of Korea.
Dokdo is Korean territory. Japan is lying to steal Dokdo. South Korea was ruled by conquest in 512 Year to Dokdo. Japanese past. Was recorded that Dokdo is Korean territory. Therefore . Dokdo is not Japanese territory. Because past Japan recorded that Dokdo is Korean territory, Dokdo historically is the territory of Republic of Korea. Therefore for Japan. please stop the fraud behavior which deceives the worldwide people in order to steal Dokdo of Korea.
@tk55555ful No.Welcome to East Sea. Welcome to Korean Territory that has been Korean Territory since the beginning of Korea, and will be in the future as well.
国民補導連盟事件 朝鮮進駐軍 research . then ask me what your country can do for you. if I am you, do not say anything do not listen do not look inside if you want to live there. SK gov can hide the secret even though now.
what is your nationalism then? BRAINWASHED country? from people YOU GUYS start digging inside issue,
I can not say what your country doing is totally nice. it depends on YOU GUYS.
Dokdo is a Koeran territory as it always had been...
It shouldn;t even became a new issue.
why? because Dokdo is one part of Korean land since Korea was there maybe thousands years ago who knows
It wasn't an issue until .trouble maker japanese are calling for land fighting( their favorite thing) which it is only waste their own time and ours.
@i2457 - "Dokdo, a major center of oil" ??? Were you able to graduate from a university?? LOL - Dokdo is just a rock island. And only Koreans want to say "East sea " for "Sea of Japan". It is "Sea of Japan" for centuries.
@truehistoryteller Are you an idiot? Dokdo is full of minerals and natural gases. It is inside the rocks and it is mineable from the ocean floor around it. Have you even studied basic science?
And it has been East Sea ever, and it will always be.
@0601miji and @tenga3wa300 and my grey egg bear @bundangbear - I bet my Koreans friends gone like it! DokDo is Koreans yeah! ask my professor @Muann96 - he may have now deferent opinions about "DokDo" - I know how Koreans are great since they Invented island called "DokDo" using crosswords puzzle You guys are full of genius, dude! By the way I forgot to introduce you the true genius 23rd year old Seung-Hui Cho in Virginia Tech massacre. he made himself so popular in the world - Like you!
I love Japan dearly and to say that that all or most Japanese share the same point of view of their white washing gov. is outrageous. Just as the saying goes a few bad apples can spoil the whole barrel of good ones. Dokdo was and is and always will be our land. Japanese are more than welcome to visit MY ISLAND when ever they please. Just make sure you have ur Japanese Passport with you when visiting because Immigration officers are armed and are known to kick ass. LOL
@FortressFortuna - I like your series of comments - I feel love to Korean from your great comments!! - I would defabately follow you - by the way I will support you with YouTube Video Clip called " the 19th century Korean history" - This video shows how beautiful and peaceful Korean life were in 19 century before Bad Japanese guy came to Korean Peninsula.- this is the fact that "DokDo" must belong to Koreans...
@0601miji and @MASTERNCS - I admire Koreans since they have rich in history! - I learn it from the YouTube Video Clip " the 19th century Korean history" - This video shows how beautiful and peaceful Korean life were in 19 century before Bad Japanese guy came to Korean Peninsula.- hey you guys- I envy you!! Japan does not have this kind of rich history. Good on you!
@0601 and @Fortress, Please say together "DokDo" is invented word in 1952 and it is illegally occupied by Korean government. There is no map showing "DokDo" before 1952. They were just INVENTED - international criminals. Shame on Koreans! Check how poor KOREANS used be in Youtube by "“the 19th century Korea. History that Korean doesn't learn through life Old" - too shocking video to all KOREANS.
@0601miji and @Fortress Hi, my Friends!! KOREAN alwasy invent history since Korean does not have precious history. Check how MISERABLE Korean were “the 19th century Korea. History that Korean doesn't learn through life Old ...” in youttube video You will be shocked to death, dude! Japan helped Korean from primitive animal life to human being life. Still now stealing a island called "DokDo" by inventing the word and illegal occupation conducted by KOREAN Government.
*Japan has a little fuel and oil in it's land, but Dokdo is a major center of oil compared to that Japanese islands. Japan really needs fuel /oil, and so if you ask me why Korea has this small piece of land, I agree it's small, but it's value's high. Don't steal though.
*Several ancient maps both in the Eastern world and the Western world says that it's East Sea. Just because Japan surrounds the sea more than Korea doesn't mean that becomes Japanese.
Dokdo is Japanese territory, dude! Workd never seen Korean old map has the island name "Dokdo"... The word "Dokdo" was simply "Invented" by Korean Goverment to justify illegal occupation. Check the trueth in English, @TheGreatBokChoi - But dont worry dude, we understand your feeling -check youtube video “the 19th century Korea” - we feel sorry for Koreans.. too poor life
bundangbearlovely, feel sorry for Japanese instead ; Koreans don't need your blahs anymore. Japan's sinking, and you don't want your culture to extinct, and so you're trying to move to Asian mainlands. THAT, is never happening, starting with Dokdo.
@TheGreatBokChoi FYI WOndrousjapan4ever is a modern day Nazi Jap who trolls and posts lies and insults anything that is Korean. I have seen this guy on multiple videos regarding Korea and it's culture doing nothing but spreading lies and hate. This dude is a joke and believe me he brings nothing but shame to his nation. Just another Internet Loser who never gets out....just sad.
LOL NO MATTER WHAT JAPS SAY, WE'RE THE ONE WHOS CONTROLLING IT, LOLLLLLL SCREW YOU JAPPPSSS WHY DON'T YOU COME AND TAKE IT OVER IF YOU WANT IT SO BAD?? WITH YOUR INCOMPETENT SELF DEFENSE FORCE? AHHA
In 1951, the 49 signatories of the San Francisco Peace Treaty confirmed that Takeshima should remain as Japanese territory. However, South Korea ignored this determination by the peace treaty and invaded Takeshima in 1953. This is why South Korea is still occupying our island illegally and they have to spread a propaganda like this one to the whole world so desperately instead of going to Hague, where the International Court of Justice stands to prove the validity of their claim.
Well, who cares about the past? We are still controlling it, and that's all that matters. Fuck you Japs :D and your ugly Otaku face...why are Japs so ugly, 80% of them are like fucking monster like ugly
@sangyuni96 Well, Koreans are obviously so obsessed by the past making irrational complaints which were all resolved right after WW2. On top of that, Korea illegally occupied Takeshima and keep coming up with stupidest excuses like, "we have physical occupation of its land, therefore, it' ours". No wonder it's so popular among Koreans to change their faces by plastic surgery to deceive their ugliness which are reflected by their inner face.
@tictactogo1 haha. Hey wat r u saying. what complaints. What is illegally possessed? We possessed it over 1000 years and there are evidence and Japanese even made maps in the past saying that Dokdo is Korea's island. haha and they are saying Korea never owned it and therefore it is now Japan's.
How illogical. and i dunno what plastic surgery has anything to do with this. Like no Japanese do plastic surgery or is it they are too ugly to fix their face with plastic surgery to make it more pretty?
@MoonyK1211Max I already told you many times, your so-called "evidences" are nothing but crap so far. It's as simple as this. If you want me to play by your way, show me any evidence that indicate the name of "Dokto" before 1905. If you wanna play by my way, show me any evidence to prove that Japan gave up the legal right to occupy Takeshima after 1905.
The point I was making on "plastic surgery" was it purely represents the charactristic of Koreans. Does that sound logical enough for you? lol
@MoonyK1211Max I'll tell you why I think any evidences prior to our official declaration of Takeshima on 1905 are irrelevant. If the logic of "owning the land once back in the history would automatically gives legit right to own its land at the present date" would only brings chaos in the world. If you say this logic is valid, it means Japan have legit right to own Korea since we annexed you once before as you well know. About plastic surgery, there are statistic in numbers. Stop being denial.
@tictactogo1 That is so illogical. If a country had control of a territory over 1000 years, it is theirs not the other country who took it by force and lost the war and was forced to return all the lands that they took during the war.
Annexation? You guys have right to control Korea? THen why doesn't Japan control Korea right now? Obviously Korea is independant country and Dokdo was returned at the end of WWII as well.
And you said u were talking about Korean characterisitc not actual surgery
@MoonyK1211Max First of all, your so-called logic is not reflecting to my point of argument. You are only trying to create the logic based on your standpoint, and not seeing a whole picture. Second, it's only Korean delusion to say Korea ever had an actual occupation of Takeshima until you illegally occupied its islet. Third, Takeshima is acknowledged nationwide as a territory of Japan in SF treaty, and Rusk doc also prove the delisonal claim by Korea was officially rejected and denied.
@MoonyK1211Max Forth, you are ignoring my comment "if you say this logic is valid" and looking at "annexation" part only, not seeing a point of argument. When did I ever say "Japan want to control Korea". We surely don't wanna repeat that historical mistake to make an huge investment on such a shameless country again. By the way, when did anyone approve "Dokdo was returned at the end of WWII" besides yourself?
Korean Characteristic = Deceiving others and themselves = Plastic Surgery
@MoonyK1211Max Unfortunately, your repeated baseless same-old illogical ignorant childish arguments making me repeat myself over and over, still yet you are not noticing how incompetent you really are.
You said you spent 6monts on Dokdo paper and reviewed JP official claim, but you haven't come up with one single argument trying to prove Takeshima is Korean territory, just keep repeating "Korean have a lot of evidences" or bringing up irrelevant false accusations which you know nothing about.
LOL just see how many registered. SK has more registered than Japan ,but STILL Japan is high, top 10 in world. You fucken ugly monkey, don't even compare us to short monkeys!
@Hanul91 When you want to communicate with someone, please use noun, verb, subject properly. I don't think anyone can understand what you are trying to say here.
Funny how japs complain plastic surgery when in fact japan is top 10 in world. Congrats to your CONTRADICTION. Tell me which is higher in latest ISPAS 2009 record. ^_^ HAHHAHHAHHAHAH fucken monkeys have fugly faces and short height.
@Hanul91 One another dumbass again... Do you know why top 3 countries are 1) U.S. 2) Brazil 3) China? Because the statistic by ISAPS ranks based on "NUMBER OF PROCEDURES PERFORMED" that reflects not only the population of countries but also GDP. You should know the population of Japan almost triples as compared to Korea and I guess I don't need to mention the difference in GDP/person. Still yet, I don't see the significant difference in the number of plastic surgeries between JP and Korea. Duh.
@TayounoriseMusa It's not only him, entire people in Korea is clearly suffering from the inferiority complex. Well, you can't really blame them if you look at their miserable history and they have nothing to be proud of. Self-decieving themselves is only way to maintain their sanity (even though they are insane enough for others as of now).
In Japan, 松竹梅(Sho, Chiku, Bai) have been used as the terms which describe the three-stage classification, namely, 松 (Sho or Matsu) means "the first," 竹 (Chiku or Take) means "the second," and 梅 (Bai, or Ume) means "the third." In Edo period, Japanese called Liancour Rock as 松島 (Matsushima) ="The first island" and Ulleungdo as 竹島 (Takeshima) ="The second island." These terms are not referring to the plants on the islands.
In Japan, 松竹梅(Sho, Chiku, Bai) have been used as the terms which describe the three-stage classification, namely, 松 (Sho or Matsu) means "the first," 竹 (Chiku or Take) means "the socond," and 梅 (Bai or Ume) means "the third." In Edo period, Japanese called Liancour Rock as 松島 (Matsushima) = "The first island," and Ulleungdo as 竹島 (Takeshima) = "The second island." We should not think these terms referred to the plants on the islands.
>Moreover by your logic, all the japanese island have to have "Sho", "Mats" ..etc
We don't need to call all islands by the same name, because Japan has so many islands as you may know. What if we start calling all islands by the same name Takeshima or Matsushima? However, it is true that there are many Matsushima or Takeshima in Japan. They are very common names of places or islands.
It is not an excuse, just search wikepedia for "松島," you will know there are several Matsushima in Japan.
Ulleungdo had been abandoned by Koreans for 460 years during Joseon Dynasty. How could you climb the mountain, when even sailing to Ullungdo was banned?
Whatever, Ulleungdo had been an empty island for 460 years so your theory that Koreans could know the existence of Takeshima by climbing up the mountain won't work. And, just as Mr. Gerry Beaver pointed out, if we judge from all Korean old documents using the similar expressions, the expression "both islands were visible on a fine day" in the Chronicle of King Sejong must be interpreted as "both Ulleugdo and Usando were visible from the Korean peninsula on a fine day".
I told you again, Even if Joseon dynasty ruled the "Empty Island policy, 空島政策" on Ulleungdo, several people was still lived there get away with central Government
And even much before than "Empty Island Policy" era, Climbing mountain is an easy as a pie. That is no problem at all.
The mountain in Ulleungdo called "Seong-inbong" and it is quite famous Mt.
in Korea. and when fineness day, between top of the Mt. and Dokdo is visible distance with naked eyes
As I told you, according to the International law, the fact that some country finds some island first cannot be used as the proof for that the country owns the island.
Even if some outlaw Koreans during Joseon Dynaty had remained in Ulleungod violating the law at that time, climbed the mountain, and seen the uninhabited island, it would not prove anything regarding this territorial dispute between Japanese and South Korean government.
Japan was the first country which established a modern independent nation in Asia. They learned the International law and declared the sovereignty over the uninhabited island exactly following the procedures prescribed in the international law in 1905. Korea was not fully modernized nor independent at that time, how could Korea control the island "effectively" following the procedures prescribed in the International law, when they were not civilized yet?
According to Samguk Sagi, Gwanggaeto Stele, Chinese authorized books of history like Book of Sui, Book of Southern Dynasty, and Nihonshoki, it is clear that Korean peninsula was under the control of Japan in the ancient time. Even if there remain no old documents in Korea, you must not rewrite the ancient history of East Asia as you like.
It says Silla and Baekje sent their princes as hostages to Japan.
How about Chinese books of history? They all say Korea was under the control of Japan in the 5th century.
And just show us ancient document which says Japan was a branch country of Korea. I don't know such a document has ever existed. Just tell me the title of the document please.
It's your turn. Just show us the exact title of any ancient document which says Japan was a branch country of Korea. If you can't, just admit you lied to us, and apologize.
You, Koreans distort the history always. When it is you Koreans who exterminated Japanese Sea Lion, you put the blame on us Japanese for your stupid deeds. When all ancient historical documents from Korea, China and Japan say Korea was under the control of Japan in the ancient times, you put the things in reverse and claim Japan was under the control of Korean even though there is no historical sources which support your delusions.
Haven't you read my comment? It is not only Samguk Sagi, but also Gwanggaeto Stele, Chinese authorized books of history, "Book of Sui," "Book of Southern Dynasties." All ancient documents from Korea, China and Japan says Korea was under the control of Japan in the ancient times.
@WondrousJapanForever By 'All ancient documents' you just mean several you could find. A few ancient manuscripts hardly is irreputable fact, idiot. Weigh it against the overwhelming evidence to the contrary and you get raped. Besides, look at the Potsdam Agreement Article 8 and the Cairo Agreement- both UNCONDITIONAL TREATIES Japan accepted after their surrender in World War 2. If you read both of these, you will find that Korea has legitimacy at International Law over Dokdo. Sit down shut up.
The Potsdam Agreement Article says that the belonging of "minor islands" around the Japanese Archipelago should be determined by the Allies. And actually the Allies determined that Takeshima should remain as Japanese territory in the San Francisco Peace Treaty. South Korea was informed of this determination one month earlier of the conclusion of the San Francisco Treaty, but SK ignored this determination and started the illegal occupation of Takeshima from 1952.
@WondrousJapanForever Whose the liar now? The Allies made NO determination on Dokdo- it was deliberately omitted from the San Francisco Peace Treaty.
While it is true that the pro-Japanese US minister recommended Dokdo remain part of Japan after WW 2, and Korea was informed as such, the San Francisco Peace Treaty DOESN'T APPLY TO KOREA- KOREA NEVER SIGNED IT.
I also note the Japanese didn't try to take it back or protest even after Korea took it in 1952.
In the earlier versions of San Francisco Treaty, Dokdo was included in the list of the islands which should be retuned to Korea. But in the final version, it was omitted. South Korea objected to he Allies and demanded that Dokdo should be added in the list in Jul 1951. The Allies replied to South Korea and rejected its demand in Aug 1951, in the Rusk document. The San Francisco Treaty was singed in Sep 1951.
The U.S government clearly stated to South Korea as follows.
"As regards the island of Dokdo, otherwise known as Takeshima or Liancourt Rocks, this normally uninhabited rock formation was according to our information never treated as part of Korea and, since about 1905, has been under the jurisdiction of the Oki Islands Branch Office of Shimane Prefecture of Japan. The island does not appear ever before to have been claimed by Korea."
If you don't like the term "all ancient documents," I will correct it to "all available ancient documents."
> Weigh it against the overwhelming evidence
What do you mean by "overwhelming evidence?" I've never found any "overwhelming evidence" that Dokdo had ever belonged to Korea before the annexation or that Japan was under the control of Korea in ancient times. Just show us what you call "overwhelming evidence."
@WondrousJapanForever Don't change what you said- you claim that several ancient texts 'prove' that Korea belonged to Japan in ancient times. Go to any website, book or historical expert on East Asian history. They will laugh when you say that Korea belonged to Japan since ancient times.
Korea has been invaded by Japan several times, sure. But we most certainly didn't belong to you in ancient times, and most certainly not now.
1. Samguk Sagi says Silla and Baekje sent their princes to Japan as hostages.
2. Gwanggaeto Stele says "And in the sinmyo year the Wa (Japanese) came and crossed the sea and defeated Baekje, [unknown], and [Sil]la and made them subjects."
3. Book of Song says Chinese Emperor appointed Japanese kings as a military general of Korean peninsula in the 5th century.
I will give you a real "overwhelming evidence." Here you are. (watch?v=LxH67-sz3cc) Just tell us why even a single old Korean map doesn't exist which depicted Dokdo in South Korea.
@WondrousJapanForever Oh, so are you going to ignore my other arguments? Wilful blindness only makes you look stupid. And there is Korean and Japanese maps showing Dokdo to be a part of Korea.
I will list a few:
"Samguk Sagi" (삼국사기, 三國史記; meaning "History of Three Kingdoms") from Shilla 1145 A.D.
Sejong Shillok Jiriji from 1454 A.D.
"Border History" (강계고; 疆界考) 1756 A.D.
Also note the Ahn Yong Bok incident where Japanese government punished fishermen who fished in Dokdo.
>And there is Korean and Japanese maps showing Dokdo to be a part of Korea.
If you claim there is a Korean old map which depicted dokdo, just show us. The titles you listed are not maps but historical records. Do you understand what you are talking about?
1. Have you actually read Samguk Sagi? Samguk sagi mentions nothing about Dokdo.
2. It is already clear that Usando has nothing to do with Dokdo from these old Korean maps. (watch?v=cd4FnHo2WQ4)(watch?v=LxH67-sz3cc) . So the descriptions about "Usando" in those Korean historical record don't work as evidences any more.
3. As for An Yongbok incident, Tokugawa Shogunate admitted Ulleungdo belonged to Joseon, but the belonging of Dokdo was nothing mentioned then and there.
"And in the sinmyo year the Wa (Japanese) came and crossed the sea and defeated Baekje, [unknown], and [Sil]la and made them subjects."
Koreans have claimed Japanese altered the text during the annexation period, but rubbed copies made in 1881 and 1883 were found in China in 1959, and it turned out that there had been no alteration on the text on the Stele.
Just as I told you, Japanese named Liancour Rocks and Ulleungdod as "the First Island" and "the Second Island," because they regard both islands as a set, since they used Liancour rocks as a relay point on their way to Ulleungo, which had been a empty island for 460 years. They didn't call the islands according to the plants on the islands, but named them in the order of the distance from the shore.
And, according to the contemporary international law, not the country which found some islands first, but the country which controlled the islands effectively first is regarded as having the due dominion over them. There is no evidence that Korea had ever controlled Dokdo effectively before the 19th century, when the international law was not introduced to Asia yet.
Distorting the history is a part of Korean nature.
Takeshima Sea Lion survived even after South Korea occupied Takeahim in 1953. Koreans exterminated it by residing on the islands despite that the island doesn't fit the human residence and polluted the natural environment around Takeshima.
Stupid. Just think about this. Takeshima has been occupied by Koreans since 1953, and Japanese could never approach the island. How could Japanese exterminate Japanese Sea Lions when we could never approach the islands? We used the magics? There are lots of evidences and testimonies even by Koreans that there existed Japanese Sea Lions after 1953. Do not distort the history.
Just google for "Aurioles, D. & Trillmich, F. (IUCN SSC Pinniped Specialist Group) (2008). Zalophus japonicus. 2008 IUCN Red List of Threatened Species. IUCN 2008" it says a Korean organization for protection of natural environment detected the last Japanese Sea Lion on Takeshima in 1975.
Maybe "Shameless" is the term prepared for Gooks throughout the history of English language. When an international and objective document says a Korean organization found the last Japanese Sea Lion on Takeshima in 1975, how can you claim Japanese exterminated the Japanese Sea Lion?
Hey, you liar. If there exists no such species as recognized as "'Japanese Sea Lion," how is it that many internet sites hit when you google for "Japanese Sea Lion?" Even Wikipedia has a page for Japanese Sea Lion. Its latin name is "Zalophus japonicus." Do not lie so shamelessly. According to Korean papers, Koreans lie 1000 times more often than Japanese.
@WondrousJapanForever The Japanese named it the Japanese Sea Lion- just like they named the east sea (which they share with Korea, Russia, China and Taiwan) the Japanese Sea. Don't give me that shit.
Also, note while I am keeping my arguments POLITICAL, your arguments are RACIST. I never have insulted the Japanese people, just their actions. You are racist against Koreans. I am not racist against Japanese.
The concept of "effective control" was introduced with the international law in the 19th century to Japan. Japan declared the sovereignty over Takeshima in 1905 precisely following the procedures prescribed in the international law, when Koreans were too uncivilized even to know something about the international law. This is why Koreans claim over Dokdo is nothing based on any international law and cannot go to the International Court of Justice to prove their claim.
And it is not called "Dokdo Sea Lion" in the international academies, but it is called Zalophus californianus japonicus (Japanese Sea Lion). The last Japanese Sea Lion was found on Takeshima in 1975. Do not distort the history in such a shameless way.
If it has a little weak point, Japanese are claim, and they insist it's their's.
Korea recognized Dokdo as her territory since Shilla era and Korean did fishing act many hundred years ago.
Also Japanese government knew that Dokdo is Foreign territory therefore they banned japanese fisherman going the island as mentioned their official document
If Korea wins, it could be problem to the Japanese economic relations, even though in Korea, Dokdo is known by nearly everyone, and in Japan (where I lived) most people dont know. I hope one day it doesnt come to that.
Screaming the loudest may win a battle (old Korean proverb, I heard), but it may not win the war.
sure, but since another party thinks differently, then youll have to go to court, otherwise having Koreans staying on the islands can be decided to be illegal. Every country must follow the law. But I understand Korean gov't's point. IF they lose, itll be such a blow to the fragile Korean ego, which has been made very sensitive from recent history, as well as modern Korean values (to be succesful, competitive, etc).
@seifukusha 1) I don't think you understand about Dokdo issue so leave at that. Nobody can stop Japanese people's greed for territories, having constant problem swith China & Russia as well regarding surrounding islands.
2) There is no such Korean proverb, some Japanese made that up, so don't pretend you know Korean proverbs.
anyone who bothers to google it will just see it for the typical fare you get in NYC anyway, wierd groups passing out propaganda. never mind. i want an iPad
@seifukusha There is nothing to be decided for International court as Dokdo island belongs to Korea from the beginning. Japan began to insist from 1951 when the treaty between WW2 loser country Japan & Allies was made. A person who lacks knowledge about this issue compares dokdo with hawaii. Dokdo island is just rocks guarded by Korean soldiers. It is about territory, fish market, not about 'swimming in a beach under the sun'.
You know nothing about this issue. Japanese fishermen have used Takeshima as a relay point to sail to Ulleung-do since the 16th century, and in 1905, Japan declared the sovereignty over Takeshima officially. Korea has never recognized the existence of these two rocks until the 20th century. As an evidence, there exists no Korean old map which depicts these two rocks correctly. What was drawn as "Usan-do" in their maps is obviously Jukdo, next to Ulleung-do.
When the WW2 was over, GHQ put temporal border "MacArthur LIne" between Japan and Korea. Just before the San Francisco Treaty was concluded between Japan and victor countries of the WW2, Korea submitted to the US government demands that Dokdo should be given to Korea and that the MacArthr Line should be continued. These demands was rejected in the "Rusk Document" which says Takeshima was Japan's territory since 1905 and there was no historical fact that it belonged to Korea.
The U.S. government's understanding on this issue has not changed since Rusk Document, though they are just recommending us to file a suit to the International Court of Justice in Hague, Netherlands. Japan also has urged South Korea to put the judgement into the hands of the Court, but South Korea has rejected our request. They know they will lose if it is judged according to the international laws.
There are many old Japanese documents showing Dokdo belongs to Choson Dynasty.
Korea does not need to go to the court just like Japan refuses to go to the court for China's claim for whatever the island name is since Dokdo belongs to Korea from the beginning.
There is no such maps nor documents. All the sources you relate to Dokdo is not about Dokdo, but about Ulleungdo and Jukdo. Just look at the maps with your own eyes. Even a little child can tell it's Jukdo, not Dokdo from the shapes. Choson Dynasty prohibited Koreans from living even in Ulleungdo from 1417 to 1882. How could they know the existence of Dokdo which is located about 100 km farther from Ullengdo?
2 weeks ago, there was a meeting held in Seoul where a couple of Japanese scholars attended showing the old documents where it clearly said dokdo belongs to choson dynasty. There are some videos in Ytube showing that too, but I think you should type 독도 rather than dokdo. Then you will see some....Aren't going to school or work now as it is Monday morning there? ^^
I don't know which document you are mentioning, but most documents and maps South Korea has related to Dokdo are about Ulleung-do and Jukdo. If you believe Dokdo belongs to South Korea according to every international law, why are you rejecting to file a suit to the International Court of Justice? We will accept whatever result which will come from the suit. Why won't you solve this dispute once for all?
@WondrousJapanForever The old "Japanese " documents shown by Japanese scholars. There are tons of them as living proof.
About the court, I don't know why as I am not a President of SKorea but my personal thinking is that they feel no need to go to the court as it belonged to Korea from the beginning. Refer to my story about neighbour. You guys needed to return everything that once belonged to Korea as annexation was over!
Of course there are tons of sources that prove Ulleung-do and Jukdo belongs to Korea. So if you insist "these sources are mentioning Dokdo," you can say "there are tons of sources that prove Dokdo belongs to Korea." The fact is there is no Korean map and document which mentions Dodko. Please tell us why there exists no Korean map which depicts Usando as two rocks. There are lots of Japanese old maps which depict Takeshima as two rocks.
so u are saying that even though there are tons of sources that prove dokdo belongs to korea it's not korean's b/c it's not on the map? that doesn't make sense. a lot of maps in the past have been made for people's convenience and dokdo wasn't convenent for the people in the past to visit maybe that was the reason why it wasn't on the korean map. but that doesn't mean that the sources proving dokdo a korean territory are wrong
There is no proof that Dokdo belongs to Korea. Usando which Korea claims to be Dokdo, is not Dokdo, but another island Jukdo, which lies 2km east of Ulleungdo according to old Korean maps.
The fact that there is no old Korean map which depicted Dokdo means that Koreans didn't know even the existence of the island. On the contrary, Japan has lots of old maps which depicted Takeshima. It simply means Japan has effectively controlled the island since old times.
Just take a look at the blog run by American English teacher living in South Korea. You can see many maps and documents. He concluded that Korean government is deceiving Korean people and brainwashing them.
@WondrousJapanForever Yeah yeah yeah yeah...everything is brainwashed in Korea...but this one, I believe dokdo belongs to Korea.
Previous President Bush stood behind Korea over this issue through then secretary of the states Rice. I watched it in CNN live ^^, which I don't know if USA can do anything about this issue but whatever....
@WondrousJapanForever Since 1952? When San francisco treaty was made? That's right. Japan returned Dokdo island to Korea after losing the WW2 but in 1952, you guys insisted this island should belong to Japan. Why?
The first Rusk document was sent to Korea in 1951, but South Korea repeated the same demand to the US government so the U.S. had to repeat the same reply to the South Korea several times. Just visit my channel and look at the BG picture. It is one of the document which confirmed the content of the first Rusk document in 1951. The White House mentioned the second or third reply to South Korea by "1952."
South Korea is becoming a big cult in which people are ranting "Dokdo is Korea" without any basis. Moreover, they are working so hard to expose their insanity to the whole world.
Japan didn't begin to claim from 1951. In 1905, Japan legally and officially declared the sovereignty over the the uninhabited island and there was no objection from Korea at that time. Koreans didn't even know the existence of such an island in the Sae of Japan until then. It is well proved by the fact that there is no old Korean map which depicted Takeshima.
Just as old Korean maps show, Usando is not Dokdo, but Jukdo which lies 2km east of Ulleungdo. There exists no evidence that Koreans recognized even the existence of the islets which is called Dokdo now.
@WondrousJapanForever hey you want to start this over again? I explained this months ago to YOU. And you were tired of debating with me because u had no enough evidence. and you want to start again.
U r weird man. Usando=Jukdo=Dokdo. Go study. You are dumb.
wowww japs just get the hell out of here. I feel sorry for all of u japs cause u never learn the REAL history. just go eat ur fuc*in nuclear sushi :-)
TeaHaa1 4 months ago
Korean are Liar.
tk55555ful 5 months ago
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South Korean gov insists that Tok-do is a territory of Korea for the world. As a result, world people come to know that Dokdo is a troubled area. It is ironical.
If South Korea gov wishes the international society recognizes Takeshima as a SK territory, SK gov must go to ICJ.
nadesikolove 5 months ago
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Please try to click on my iD. Can see the video evidence. Historically Dokdo is territory of Korea.
rhrnfu202 5 months ago
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Japan has found that there is no international judges Korea. So Japan has been lying to deceive the world people to steal Dokdo. Japan has done the fraud behavior which deceives the person. Korea waits for the time. It waits for the that 15 South Korean judges appears in the international courthouse. Dokdo historically is territory of the Republic of Korea. Dokdo historically is territory of the Republic of Korea.
rhrnfu202 5 months ago
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South Korea was ruled 512 years Dokdo. And past Japan recorded that Dokdo is Korean territory. Therefore. Dokdo is Japanese territory not. But Japan has done the fraud behavior of the world. And. There is no Korean judge in the international courthouse. But for Japan. There is the Japanese judge in the international courthouse. There is no international judge of Korea.
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Dokdo is Korean territory. Japan is lying to steal Dokdo. South Korea was ruled by conquest in 512 Year to Dokdo. Japanese past. Was recorded that Dokdo is Korean territory. Therefore . Dokdo is not Japanese territory. Because past Japan recorded that Dokdo is Korean territory, Dokdo historically is the territory of Republic of Korea. Therefore for Japan. please stop the fraud behavior which deceives the worldwide people in order to steal Dokdo of Korea.
rhrnfu202 5 months ago 2
Ｔａｋｅｓｈｉｍa is Japanese Territory
tk55555ful 6 months ago
@tk55555ful yeah. takeshima is a small teeny island SOUTH of JApan, and it IS japanese territory.
Now, DOKDO, which is on east sea beside ulleungdo, IS KOREAN :)
BigbangKorea21 1 month ago
@BigbangKorea21 Welcome to Sea of Japan.Welcome to Japanese Territory.
tk55555ful 1 month ago
@tk55555ful No.Welcome to East Sea. Welcome to Korean Territory that has been Korean Territory since the beginning of Korea, and will be in the future as well.
BigbangKorea21 1 month ago
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国民補導連盟事件 朝鮮進駐軍 research . then ask me what your country can do for you. if I am you, do not say anything do not listen do not look inside if you want to live there. SK gov can hide the secret even though now.
what is your nationalism then? BRAINWASHED country? from people YOU GUYS start digging inside issue,
I can not say what your country doing is totally nice. it depends on YOU GUYS.
gagagaga275 6 months ago
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Dokdo is Korean territory!!
Haje7689 7 months ago
Dokdo is a Koeran territory as it always had been...
It shouldn;t even became a new issue.
why? because Dokdo is one part of Korean land since Korea was there maybe thousands years ago who knows
It wasn't an issue until .trouble maker japanese are calling for land fighting( their favorite thing) which it is only waste their own time and ours.
kimois1 7 months ago
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no need to explain,its our island 竹島,and we will arrest all illegal occupation guy from our holy territory 竹島
77777XYZ 7 months ago
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no need to explain,its our island 竹島,and we will arrest all illegal occupation guy from our holy territory 竹島
77777XYZ 7 months ago
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no need to explain,its our island 竹島,and we will arrest all illegal occupation guy from our holy territory 竹島
77777XYZ 7 months ago
@i2457 Good on you - appreciating classical music and saying dirty words in Dokdo. You have many standards in your life. - That's why you are KOREAN.
truehistoryteller 8 months ago
@0601miji - Who are you??? Another KOREAN?
truehistoryteller 8 months ago
@i2457 - "Dokdo, a major center of oil" ??? Were you able to graduate from a university?? LOL - Dokdo is just a rock island. And only Koreans want to say "East sea " for "Sea of Japan". It is "Sea of Japan" for centuries.
truehistoryteller 8 months ago
@truehistoryteller Are you an idiot? Dokdo is full of minerals and natural gases. It is inside the rocks and it is mineable from the ocean floor around it. Have you even studied basic science?
And it has been East Sea ever, and it will always be.
BigbangKorea21 1 month ago
@0601miji and @tenga3wa300 and my grey egg bear @bundangbear - I bet my Koreans friends gone like it! DokDo is Koreans yeah! ask my professor @Muann96 - he may have now deferent opinions about "DokDo" - I know how Koreans are great since they Invented island called "DokDo" using crosswords puzzle You guys are full of genius, dude! By the way I forgot to introduce you the true genius 23rd year old Seung-Hui Cho in Virginia Tech massacre. he made himself so popular in the world - Like you!
truehistoryteller 9 months ago
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I love Japan dearly and to say that that all or most Japanese share the same point of view of their white washing gov. is outrageous. Just as the saying goes a few bad apples can spoil the whole barrel of good ones. Dokdo was and is and always will be our land. Japanese are more than welcome to visit MY ISLAND when ever they please. Just make sure you have ur Japanese Passport with you when visiting because Immigration officers are armed and are known to kick ass. LOL
MASTERNCS 9 months ago
@FortressFortuna - I like your series of comments - I feel love to Korean from your great comments!! - I would defabately follow you - by the way I will support you with YouTube Video Clip called " the 19th century Korean history" - This video shows how beautiful and peaceful Korean life were in 19 century before Bad Japanese guy came to Korean Peninsula.- this is the fact that "DokDo" must belong to Koreans...
truehistoryteller 9 months ago
@0601miji and @MASTERNCS - I admire Koreans since they have rich in history! - I learn it from the YouTube Video Clip " the 19th century Korean history" - This video shows how beautiful and peaceful Korean life were in 19 century before Bad Japanese guy came to Korean Peninsula.- hey you guys- I envy you!! Japan does not have this kind of rich history. Good on you!
truehistoryteller 9 months ago
i love Koreans - this video is great!
truehistoryteller 9 months ago
@0601 and @Fortress, Please say together "DokDo" is invented word in 1952 and it is illegally occupied by Korean government. There is no map showing "DokDo" before 1952. They were just INVENTED - international criminals. Shame on Koreans! Check how poor KOREANS used be in Youtube by "“the 19th century Korea. History that Korean doesn't learn through life Old" - too shocking video to all KOREANS.
truehistoryteller 9 months ago
@0601miji and @Fortress Hi, my Friends!! KOREAN alwasy invent history since Korean does not have precious history. Check how MISERABLE Korean were “the 19th century Korea. History that Korean doesn't learn through life Old ...” in youttube video You will be shocked to death, dude! Japan helped Korean from primitive animal life to human being life. Still now stealing a island called "DokDo" by inventing the word and illegal occupation conducted by KOREAN Government.
truehistoryteller 9 months ago
truehistoryteller, GET PROOF. OF DOKDO.
*Japan has a little fuel and oil in it's land, but Dokdo is a major center of oil compared to that Japanese islands. Japan really needs fuel /oil, and so if you ask me why Korea has this small piece of land, I agree it's small, but it's value's high. Don't steal though.
*Several ancient maps both in the Eastern world and the Western world says that it's East Sea. Just because Japan surrounds the sea more than Korea doesn't mean that becomes Japanese.
i2457 8 months ago
SHAME ON YOU.
you should know what you are learning at school. IF it is the right facts OR just a MADE-UP HISTORY by ur grown ups.
독도는 우리땅★
0601miji 9 months ago
Dokdo is Japanese territory, dude! Workd never seen Korean old map has the island name "Dokdo"... The word "Dokdo" was simply "Invented" by Korean Goverment to justify illegal occupation. Check the trueth in English, @TheGreatBokChoi - But dont worry dude, we understand your feeling -check youtube video “the 19th century Korea” - we feel sorry for Koreans.. too poor life
bundangbearlovely 10 months ago
bundangbearlovely, feel sorry for Japanese instead ; Koreans don't need your blahs anymore. Japan's sinking, and you don't want your culture to extinct, and so you're trying to move to Asian mainlands. THAT, is never happening, starting with Dokdo.
P.S, Dokdo is a pure Korean island.
i2457 8 months ago
@TheGreatBokChoi FYI WOndrousjapan4ever is a modern day Nazi Jap who trolls and posts lies and insults anything that is Korean. I have seen this guy on multiple videos regarding Korea and it's culture doing nothing but spreading lies and hate. This dude is a joke and believe me he brings nothing but shame to his nation. Just another Internet Loser who never gets out....just sad.
MASTERNCS 10 months ago
Dokdo informatio site DOWNLOADBOXcom
TheDownloadbox 11 months ago
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TheDownloadbox 11 months ago
wow it's make sence
helen0519 1 year ago
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i2457 1 year ago
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독도는 한국땅 일본은 꺼져라 너희는 쓰레기 일본은 거짐말 지배만 잘한다 죽어도 다쳐도 독도는 못놔죠 너희는 나쁘다 일본인 사라져 너희를 못믿어 동해도 우리꺼 일본해 아니다 지배를 하지마 한국은 한국땅 일본은 일본땅 자꾸만 우리를 없에려 하지마 그짓은 나쁘다 우리는 독도로 죽어도 안논다 -i2457 & microlaser2-
i2457 1 year ago
Yeah yeah we will say whatever and come to dokdi the beatiful island of Corea!
olympusnikon1 1 year ago
whatever you say or not.
do you guys want to violate the treaty of sanfrancisco?it means that your country is gone.still US trusteeship.
hebrews11jp 1 year ago
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-takeshima island issue-
Treaty of San Francisco
(the Rusk documents) Korean request for that island was rejected at that time.
if Korea still deny that, it means Korea did not have independence for country itself.because if Korea violete the
treaty of sanfrancisco, Treaty on Basic Relations between Japan and the Republic of Korea will be violeted.
it means that Korea country is still in US trusteeship like taiwan. thanks.
hebrews11jp 1 year ago
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maybe you do not know asian history well in the long time ago, so Korean also called sea of japan,there is no doubt.there is old map.
also dokdo is determined by US trusteeship (international law.whether your will or not.your request is defied.
Korean tends to like always changing history.you should know that.
maybe earth belongs to korea?hm?They will say in future.
Nashufmg 1 year ago
LOL NO MATTER WHAT JAPS SAY, WE'RE THE ONE WHOS CONTROLLING IT, LOLLLLLL SCREW YOU JAPPPSSS WHY DON'T YOU COME AND TAKE IT OVER IF YOU WANT IT SO BAD?? WITH YOUR INCOMPETENT SELF DEFENSE FORCE? AHHA
sangyuni96 1 year ago
@sangyuni96
In 1951, the 49 signatories of the San Francisco Peace Treaty confirmed that Takeshima should remain as Japanese territory. However, South Korea ignored this determination by the peace treaty and invaded Takeshima in 1953. This is why South Korea is still occupying our island illegally and they have to spread a propaganda like this one to the whole world so desperately instead of going to Hague, where the International Court of Justice stands to prove the validity of their claim.
WondrousJapanForever 1 year ago
Well, who cares about the past? We are still controlling it, and that's all that matters. Fuck you Japs :D and your ugly Otaku face...why are Japs so ugly, 80% of them are like fucking monster like ugly
sangyuni96 1 year ago
@sangyuni96 Well, Koreans are obviously so obsessed by the past making irrational complaints which were all resolved right after WW2. On top of that, Korea illegally occupied Takeshima and keep coming up with stupidest excuses like, "we have physical occupation of its land, therefore, it' ours". No wonder it's so popular among Koreans to change their faces by plastic surgery to deceive their ugliness which are reflected by their inner face.
tictactogo1 1 year ago
@tictactogo1 haha. Hey wat r u saying. what complaints. What is illegally possessed? We possessed it over 1000 years and there are evidence and Japanese even made maps in the past saying that Dokdo is Korea's island. haha and they are saying Korea never owned it and therefore it is now Japan's.
How illogical. and i dunno what plastic surgery has anything to do with this. Like no Japanese do plastic surgery or is it they are too ugly to fix their face with plastic surgery to make it more pretty?
MoonyK1211Max 1 year ago
@MoonyK1211Max I already told you many times, your so-called "evidences" are nothing but crap so far. It's as simple as this. If you want me to play by your way, show me any evidence that indicate the name of "Dokto" before 1905. If you wanna play by my way, show me any evidence to prove that Japan gave up the legal right to occupy Takeshima after 1905.
The point I was making on "plastic surgery" was it purely represents the charactristic of Koreans. Does that sound logical enough for you? lol
tictactogo1 1 year ago
@tictactogo1 Then tell me why those evidences are nothing but crap? Tell me reason why and I will post it okay? haha. Better bring with a good one.
You say Koreans have plastic surgery? What are you talking about. Come to Korea and see how people are like.
Biased, biased, biased.
And when did i say Japanese gave up? I said Dokdo never was Japan's territory in first place.
MoonyK1211Max 1 year ago
@MoonyK1211Max I'll tell you why I think any evidences prior to our official declaration of Takeshima on 1905 are irrelevant. If the logic of "owning the land once back in the history would automatically gives legit right to own its land at the present date" would only brings chaos in the world. If you say this logic is valid, it means Japan have legit right to own Korea since we annexed you once before as you well know. About plastic surgery, there are statistic in numbers. Stop being denial.
tictactogo1 1 year ago
@tictactogo1 That is so illogical. If a country had control of a territory over 1000 years, it is theirs not the other country who took it by force and lost the war and was forced to return all the lands that they took during the war.
Annexation? You guys have right to control Korea? THen why doesn't Japan control Korea right now? Obviously Korea is independant country and Dokdo was returned at the end of WWII as well.
And you said u were talking about Korean characterisitc not actual surgery
MoonyK1211Max 1 year ago
@MoonyK1211Max First of all, your so-called logic is not reflecting to my point of argument. You are only trying to create the logic based on your standpoint, and not seeing a whole picture. Second, it's only Korean delusion to say Korea ever had an actual occupation of Takeshima until you illegally occupied its islet. Third, Takeshima is acknowledged nationwide as a territory of Japan in SF treaty, and Rusk doc also prove the delisonal claim by Korea was officially rejected and denied.
tictactogo1 1 year ago
@MoonyK1211Max Forth, you are ignoring my comment "if you say this logic is valid" and looking at "annexation" part only, not seeing a point of argument. When did I ever say "Japan want to control Korea". We surely don't wanna repeat that historical mistake to make an huge investment on such a shameless country again. By the way, when did anyone approve "Dokdo was returned at the end of WWII" besides yourself?
Korean Characteristic = Deceiving others and themselves = Plastic Surgery
Got it?
tictactogo1 1 year ago
@tictactogo1 Man. it is just like talking to a little kid who doesn't understand what is giong on in this world. Can you grow up mentally a bit?
stop saying same thing over and over again. In a debate if you say things over and over again that is proved to be wrong, it means that you lost.
MoonyK1211Max 1 year ago
@MoonyK1211Max Unfortunately, your repeated baseless same-old illogical ignorant childish arguments making me repeat myself over and over, still yet you are not noticing how incompetent you really are.
You said you spent 6monts on Dokdo paper and reviewed JP official claim, but you haven't come up with one single argument trying to prove Takeshima is Korean territory, just keep repeating "Korean have a lot of evidences" or bringing up irrelevant false accusations which you know nothing about.
tictactogo1 1 year ago
@tictactogo1
LOL just see how many registered. SK has more registered than Japan ,but STILL Japan is high, top 10 in world. You fucken ugly monkey, don't even compare us to short monkeys!
Hanul91 1 year ago
@Hanul91 When you want to communicate with someone, please use noun, verb, subject properly. I don't think anyone can understand what you are trying to say here.
Registered what?
tictactogo1 1 year ago
@tictactogo1
Funny how japs complain plastic surgery when in fact japan is top 10 in world. Congrats to your CONTRADICTION. Tell me which is higher in latest ISPAS 2009 record. ^_^ HAHHAHHAHHAHAH fucken monkeys have fugly faces and short height.
Hanul91 1 year ago
@Hanul91 One another dumbass again... Do you know why top 3 countries are 1) U.S. 2) Brazil 3) China? Because the statistic by ISAPS ranks based on "NUMBER OF PROCEDURES PERFORMED" that reflects not only the population of countries but also GDP. You should know the population of Japan almost triples as compared to Korea and I guess I don't need to mention the difference in GDP/person. Still yet, I don't see the significant difference in the number of plastic surgeries between JP and Korea. Duh.
tictactogo1 1 year ago
@Hanul91
@Hanul91
Everyone, click on the link "@Hanul91", and you'll find that he is suffering from an almighty inferiority complex.
TayounoriseMusa 1 year ago
@TayounoriseMusa It's not only him, entire people in Korea is clearly suffering from the inferiority complex. Well, you can't really blame them if you look at their miserable history and they have nothing to be proud of. Self-decieving themselves is only way to maintain their sanity (even though they are insane enough for others as of now).
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일본 국민 여러분, 다케시마를 불법적으로 강점해서 깊이 사과 드립니다.
19091026 1 year ago
Let me show you how Japan is created:
Chinese, Korean, Cambodian, Malay, Sino-Siberian, and a little Hawaiian.
microlaser2 1 year ago
No wonder why 70% of Japanese are unbearingly ugly
sangyuni96 1 year ago
@sangyuni96
Maybe because plastic surgery is not so prevailing as in Korea.
WondrousJapanForever 1 year ago
dokdo is berefull island .
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jackbandit22 1 year ago
You could make the exact same ad swapping the words Takeshima for Dokdo and Japan for Korea. How does this persuade anyone?
levitd 1 year ago
Japanese insisting Dokdo as " takeshima". takeshima means take=bamboo(竹)+shima=island(島).
It is very funny name because Dokdo has not single of bamboo in anywhere in Dokdo. Then do they call takeshima as Ullungdo? Oh my god!!
eugeneluv 1 year ago 6
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@eugeneluv
In Japan, 松竹梅(Sho, Chiku, Bai) have been used as the terms which describe the three-stage classification, namely, 松 (Sho or Matsu) means "the first," 竹 (Chiku or Take) means "the second," and 梅 (Bai, or Ume) means "the third." In Edo period, Japanese called Liancour Rock as 松島 (Matsushima) ="The first island" and Ulleungdo as 竹島 (Takeshima) ="The second island." These terms are not referring to the plants on the islands.
WondrousJapanForever 1 year ago
@eugeneluv
In Japan, 松竹梅(Sho, Chiku, Bai) have been used as the terms which describe the three-stage classification, namely, 松 (Sho or Matsu) means "the first," 竹 (Chiku or Take) means "the socond," and 梅 (Bai or Ume) means "the third." In Edo period, Japanese called Liancour Rock as 松島 (Matsushima) = "The first island," and Ulleungdo as 竹島 (Takeshima) = "The second island." We should not think these terms referred to the plants on the islands.
WondrousJapanForever 1 year ago
@WondrousJapanForever
Korea also have a simillar terms like 梅(Mae),蘭(Nan),
菊(Gook),竹(Juk, dae) as a saint symbol traditionally.
But it never means prescribing any class unlikely Japan does
O.K anyway, Then
Every island of Japan has the class naming system?
But Why does it need a class system such on island's naming?
Moreover by your logic, all the japanese island have to have "Sho", "Mats" ..etc
in your island name.
At least Japan have to has hundred of "Sho-shima" etc.. Is it true?
eugeneluv 1 year ago
@eugeneluv
>Moreover by your logic, all the japanese island have to have "Sho", "Mats" ..etc
We don't need to call all islands by the same name, because Japan has so many islands as you may know. What if we start calling all islands by the same name Takeshima or Matsushima? However, it is true that there are many Matsushima or Takeshima in Japan. They are very common names of places or islands.
WondrousJapanForever 1 year ago
@WondrousJapanForever
You telling that Japan has many of "Matsushima" and "Shoshima" ?
What an odd thing if it is true! It just sounds like making excuse for another excuse.
Look! If it's clear day after big rain, Dokdo has seen with bare eyes on the mountain of Ulleungdo island.
How can't Korean recognized the existence of Dokdo Island from a common sence point of view!
eugeneluv 1 year ago
@eugeneluv
It is not an excuse, just search wikepedia for "松島," you will know there are several Matsushima in Japan.
Ulleungdo had been abandoned by Koreans for 460 years during Joseon Dynasty. How could you climb the mountain, when even sailing to Ullungdo was banned?
WondrousJapanForever 1 year ago
@WondrousJapanForever
If any island has a pine tree then you can name it as "Matsushima" but not the case,
It's not understandable same as Dokdo as Japan claiming Takeshima.
And as you say, Joseon ruled the "Empty Island policy, 空島政柵" on Ulleungdo
Despite, several people was still lived there get away with central government
Empty Island Policy is banned a residential, but can not ban so much as fishing
around the Island and momentarily landing
eugeneluv 1 year ago
@eugeneluv
Whatever, Ulleungdo had been an empty island for 460 years so your theory that Koreans could know the existence of Takeshima by climbing up the mountain won't work. And, just as Mr. Gerry Beaver pointed out, if we judge from all Korean old documents using the similar expressions, the expression "both islands were visible on a fine day" in the Chronicle of King Sejong must be interpreted as "both Ulleugdo and Usando were visible from the Korean peninsula on a fine day".
WondrousJapanForever 1 year ago
@WondrousJapanForever
I told you again, Even if Joseon dynasty ruled the "Empty Island policy, 空島政策" on Ulleungdo, several people was still lived there get away with central Government
And even much before than "Empty Island Policy" era, Climbing mountain is an easy as a pie. That is no problem at all.
The mountain in Ulleungdo called "Seong-inbong" and it is quite famous Mt.
in Korea. and when fineness day, between top of the Mt. and Dokdo is visible distance with naked eyes
eugeneluv 1 year ago
@eugeneluv
As I told you, according to the International law, the fact that some country finds some island first cannot be used as the proof for that the country owns the island.
Even if some outlaw Koreans during Joseon Dynaty had remained in Ulleungod violating the law at that time, climbed the mountain, and seen the uninhabited island, it would not prove anything regarding this territorial dispute between Japanese and South Korean government.
WondrousJapanForever 1 year ago
@eugeneluv
Japan was the first country which established a modern independent nation in Asia. They learned the International law and declared the sovereignty over the uninhabited island exactly following the procedures prescribed in the international law in 1905. Korea was not fully modernized nor independent at that time, how could Korea control the island "effectively" following the procedures prescribed in the International law, when they were not civilized yet?
WondrousJapanForever 1 year ago
@WondrousJapanForever
Wake up your Japanese dream. Over many thousand of years Japan was nothing but island Barbarian to Korea.
Japan begining to get ahead of Korea is only for latest hundred years.
Besides, after WW2 Japan became loser country and Korea anounced Independent Country ahead of Japan.
It means Korea was established earlier than Japan
eugeneluv 1 year ago
@eugeneluv
According to Samguk Sagi, Gwanggaeto Stele, Chinese authorized books of history like Book of Sui, Book of Southern Dynasty, and Nihonshoki, it is clear that Korean peninsula was under the control of Japan in the ancient time. Even if there remain no old documents in Korea, you must not rewrite the ancient history of East Asia as you like.
WondrousJapanForever 1 year ago
@WondrousJapanForever
Think about it, If it is true that ancient Korea was under control of Japan,
How come there is no proof or no any single document in Korea?
Do you really believe it? also Nihonshoki and unauthorized a row of chinese book?
Instead, ancient Japan was a branch country of Korea
Thousand of evidence proves it and more evidence is being find year by year.
telling the Nihonshiki, not a little fabrication is included is established theory
eugeneluv 1 year ago
@eugeneluv
What do you mean by "no proof or no document"?
Have you ever read Samguk Sagi?
It says Silla and Baekje sent their princes as hostages to Japan.
How about Chinese books of history? They all say Korea was under the control of Japan in the 5th century.
And just show us ancient document which says Japan was a branch country of Korea. I don't know such a document has ever existed. Just tell me the title of the document please.
WondrousJapanForever 1 year ago
@WondrousJapanForever
"Silla and Baekje sent their princes as hostages to Japan"
Does it means "Korea was under controlled by Japan"?
LOL. and anywhereelse it mentioned?
Are you a novel writer? I heard it for the first time to you
eugeneluv 1 year ago
@eugeneluv
The fact that Silla sent their prince to Japan in 402 is described in Samguk Sagi volume 3, Silla Bongi Vol3.
The fact that Baekje went their prince to Japan in 405 is described in Sumguk Sagi volume 25, Baekje Bongi Vol3.
WondrousJapanForever 1 year ago
@eugeneluv
It's your turn. Just show us the exact title of any ancient document which says Japan was a branch country of Korea. If you can't, just admit you lied to us, and apologize.
WondrousJapanForever 1 year ago
@eugeneluv
You, Koreans distort the history always. When it is you Koreans who exterminated Japanese Sea Lion, you put the blame on us Japanese for your stupid deeds. When all ancient historical documents from Korea, China and Japan say Korea was under the control of Japan in the ancient times, you put the things in reverse and claim Japan was under the control of Korean even though there is no historical sources which support your delusions.
WondrousJapanForever 1 year ago
@WondrousJapanForever
Hey Japanese man! Seek it then you'll know but if you don't want to accept it or don't want to know it then you'll don't know forever.
I understand your patriot heading to your country but your knowledge is distorted too much!
eugeneluv 1 year ago
@eugeneluv
I'm just asking you to tell us the exact name of any ancient document which says Japan was a branch country of Korea. Can't you do this? Gooky liar.
WondrousJapanForever 1 year ago
@eugeneluv
Say something after reading Samguk Sagi actually.
三國史記 卷第三 新羅本紀第三 實聖尼師今 元年(402) 三月 與倭國通好 以奈勿王子未斯欣爲質.
三國史記 卷第二十五 百済本紀第三 腆支王 元年(405) 腆支王 或云直支 梁書名映 阿之元子 阿在位第三年 立爲太子 六年 出質於倭國 十四年 王薨 王仲弟訓解攝政 以待太子還國 季弟禮殺訓解 自立爲王 腆支在倭聞訃 哭泣請歸 倭王以兵士百人衛送 既至國界.
WondrousJapanForever 1 year ago
@WondrousJapanForever
So this Samkuksagi is your only proof wth mentioned Silla's prince and princess
hostage to Japan? So what?
In Silla Dynasty many of Waegu invaded to Korea's east sea and killed many people and plunded. then it means Korea was under controlled by Wae?
Stupid Japanese again!
eugeneluv 1 year ago
@eugeneluv
Haven't you read my comment? It is not only Samguk Sagi, but also Gwanggaeto Stele, Chinese authorized books of history, "Book of Sui," "Book of Southern Dynasties." All ancient documents from Korea, China and Japan says Korea was under the control of Japan in the ancient times.
WondrousJapanForever 1 year ago
@WondrousJapanForever By 'All ancient documents' you just mean several you could find. A few ancient manuscripts hardly is irreputable fact, idiot. Weigh it against the overwhelming evidence to the contrary and you get raped. Besides, look at the Potsdam Agreement Article 8 and the Cairo Agreement- both UNCONDITIONAL TREATIES Japan accepted after their surrender in World War 2. If you read both of these, you will find that Korea has legitimacy at International Law over Dokdo. Sit down shut up.
FortressFortuna 11 months ago
@FortressFortuna
The Potsdam Agreement Article says that the belonging of "minor islands" around the Japanese Archipelago should be determined by the Allies. And actually the Allies determined that Takeshima should remain as Japanese territory in the San Francisco Peace Treaty. South Korea was informed of this determination one month earlier of the conclusion of the San Francisco Treaty, but SK ignored this determination and started the illegal occupation of Takeshima from 1952.
WondrousJapanForever 11 months ago
@WondrousJapanForever Whose the liar now? The Allies made NO determination on Dokdo- it was deliberately omitted from the San Francisco Peace Treaty.
While it is true that the pro-Japanese US minister recommended Dokdo remain part of Japan after WW 2, and Korea was informed as such, the San Francisco Peace Treaty DOESN'T APPLY TO KOREA- KOREA NEVER SIGNED IT.
I also note the Japanese didn't try to take it back or protest even after Korea took it in 1952.
FortressFortuna 11 months ago
@FortressFortuna
In the earlier versions of San Francisco Treaty, Dokdo was included in the list of the islands which should be retuned to Korea. But in the final version, it was omitted. South Korea objected to he Allies and demanded that Dokdo should be added in the list in Jul 1951. The Allies replied to South Korea and rejected its demand in Aug 1951, in the Rusk document. The San Francisco Treaty was singed in Sep 1951.
WondrousJapanForever 11 months ago
@FortressFortuna
The U.S government clearly stated to South Korea as follows.
"As regards the island of Dokdo, otherwise known as Takeshima or Liancourt Rocks, this normally uninhabited rock formation was according to our information never treated as part of Korea and, since about 1905, has been under the jurisdiction of the Oki Islands Branch Office of Shimane Prefecture of Japan. The island does not appear ever before to have been claimed by Korea."
WondrousJapanForever 11 months ago
@FortressFortuna
If you don't like the term "all ancient documents," I will correct it to "all available ancient documents."
> Weigh it against the overwhelming evidence
What do you mean by "overwhelming evidence?" I've never found any "overwhelming evidence" that Dokdo had ever belonged to Korea before the annexation or that Japan was under the control of Korea in ancient times. Just show us what you call "overwhelming evidence."
WondrousJapanForever 11 months ago
@WondrousJapanForever Don't change what you said- you claim that several ancient texts 'prove' that Korea belonged to Japan in ancient times. Go to any website, book or historical expert on East Asian history. They will laugh when you say that Korea belonged to Japan since ancient times.
Korea has been invaded by Japan several times, sure. But we most certainly didn't belong to you in ancient times, and most certainly not now.
FortressFortuna 11 months ago
@FortressFortuna
1. Samguk Sagi says Silla and Baekje sent their princes to Japan as hostages.
2. Gwanggaeto Stele says "And in the sinmyo year the Wa (Japanese) came and crossed the sea and defeated Baekje, [unknown], and [Sil]la and made them subjects."
3. Book of Song says Chinese Emperor appointed Japanese kings as a military general of Korean peninsula in the 5th century.
詔除武使持節、都督倭新羅任那加羅秦韓慕韓六國諸軍事、安東大將軍、倭王
WondrousJapanForever 11 months ago
@FortressFortuna
I will give you a real "overwhelming evidence." Here you are. (watch?v=LxH67-sz3cc) Just tell us why even a single old Korean map doesn't exist which depicted Dokdo in South Korea.
WondrousJapanForever 11 months ago
@WondrousJapanForever Oh, so are you going to ignore my other arguments? Wilful blindness only makes you look stupid. And there is Korean and Japanese maps showing Dokdo to be a part of Korea.
I will list a few:
"Samguk Sagi" (삼국사기, 三國史記; meaning "History of Three Kingdoms") from Shilla 1145 A.D.
Sejong Shillok Jiriji from 1454 A.D.
"Border History" (강계고; 疆界考) 1756 A.D.
Also note the Ahn Yong Bok incident where Japanese government punished fishermen who fished in Dokdo.
You got owned :)
FortressFortuna 11 months ago
@FortressFortuna
>And there is Korean and Japanese maps showing Dokdo to be a part of Korea.
If you claim there is a Korean old map which depicted dokdo, just show us. The titles you listed are not maps but historical records. Do you understand what you are talking about?
WondrousJapanForever 11 months ago
@FortressFortuna
1. Have you actually read Samguk Sagi? Samguk sagi mentions nothing about Dokdo.
2. It is already clear that Usando has nothing to do with Dokdo from these old Korean maps. (watch?v=cd4FnHo2WQ4)(watch?v=LxH67-sz3cc) . So the descriptions about "Usando" in those Korean historical record don't work as evidences any more.
3. As for An Yongbok incident, Tokugawa Shogunate admitted Ulleungdo belonged to Joseon, but the belonging of Dokdo was nothing mentioned then and there.
WondrousJapanForever 11 months ago
@eugeneluv
Gwanggaeto Stele says,
"And in the sinmyo year the Wa (Japanese) came and crossed the sea and defeated Baekje, [unknown], and [Sil]la and made them subjects."
Koreans have claimed Japanese altered the text during the annexation period, but rubbed copies made in 1881 and 1883 were found in China in 1959, and it turned out that there had been no alteration on the text on the Stele.
WondrousJapanForever 1 year ago
@WondrousJapanForever
Telling the Gwanggetto Stele, It still depends on way of reading/analysis.
and still suspected the alternation by Japanese nationalist historian
Also Korea,China and even Japan any of Country is not accept it as you saying
with official theory. don't make me tired. it's almost 03:36 midnight.
eugeneluv 1 year ago
@WondrousJapanForever
"Ulleungdo had been abandoned by Koreans for 460 years "
Ulleungdo was NOT abanoned. You know why Joseon Dynasty employ the Empty
Island policy? Because of Plunder by Japanese Piracy called "倭寇(Wae-Gu)"
Waegu was a big troublesome to Joseon cuz they killed innocent people and plundered at any time
eugeneluv 1 year ago
@eugeneluv
Just as I told you, Japanese named Liancour Rocks and Ulleungdod as "the First Island" and "the Second Island," because they regard both islands as a set, since they used Liancour rocks as a relay point on their way to Ulleungo, which had been a empty island for 460 years. They didn't call the islands according to the plants on the islands, but named them in the order of the distance from the shore.
WondrousJapanForever 1 year ago
@eugeneluv
And, according to the contemporary international law, not the country which found some islands first, but the country which controlled the islands effectively first is regarded as having the due dominion over them. There is no evidence that Korea had ever controlled Dokdo effectively before the 19th century, when the international law was not introduced to Asia yet.
WondrousJapanForever 1 year ago
@WondrousJapanForever
control effectively? so you want to say that Japan controlled to Dokdo effectively?
tell me how efectively japan controlled to Dokdo.
"中井養三郞 the fisherman from Oki Island strated to hunting DOKDO SEA LION
from 1903 and finally the Dokdo Sea Lion has exterminated eternally on earth"
Is this fact you saying effectively? STF
eugeneluv 1 year ago
@eugeneluv
Distorting the history is a part of Korean nature.
Takeshima Sea Lion survived even after South Korea occupied Takeahim in 1953. Koreans exterminated it by residing on the islands despite that the island doesn't fit the human residence and polluted the natural environment around Takeshima.
WondrousJapanForever 1 year ago
@WondrousJapanForever
Don't deceive me. You know how many Dokdo S.Lion has lived near Dokdo,
and your fisherman caught how many numbers?
He earned big money with D.S.Lion hunting, and he even tried to rent to Dokdo to Korea Government through Japanese Government. Search it
You are telling lies to me
eugeneluv 1 year ago
@eugeneluv
Stupid. Just think about this. Takeshima has been occupied by Koreans since 1953, and Japanese could never approach the island. How could Japanese exterminate Japanese Sea Lions when we could never approach the islands? We used the magics? There are lots of evidences and testimonies even by Koreans that there existed Japanese Sea Lions after 1953. Do not distort the history.
WondrousJapanForever 1 year ago
@eugeneluv
Just google for "Aurioles, D. & Trillmich, F. (IUCN SSC Pinniped Specialist Group) (2008). Zalophus japonicus. 2008 IUCN Red List of Threatened Species. IUCN 2008" it says a Korean organization for protection of natural environment detected the last Japanese Sea Lion on Takeshima in 1975.
WondrousJapanForever 1 year ago
@WondrousJapanForever
That is out of point! R U try to avoid to "Japan was the exticter of Sea Lion?
You Japanese always tell the profitable to yourselves on every dispute!
It is very cunning ways
eugeneluv 1 year ago
@eugeneluv
Maybe "Shameless" is the term prepared for Gooks throughout the history of English language. When an international and objective document says a Korean organization found the last Japanese Sea Lion on Takeshima in 1975, how can you claim Japanese exterminated the Japanese Sea Lion?
WondrousJapanForever 1 year ago
@WondrousJapanForever
Are you Stupid? Of coursely Korea ruled to Kokdo in 1975 therefore the Sea Lion also founded by Korean.
You are much more stupid than I thought!
Cunning and avoid to truth is normal to you Japs!
eugeneluv 1 year ago
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WondrousJapanForever 1 year ago
@WondrousJapanForever
I think You Japs no need to worry about it because before Korea made wachtoweron the island,
The Dokdo S.Lion already almost exticted by Japs Oki island Fisherman 中井養三郞.
eugeneluv 1 year ago
@WondrousJapanForever There is no species recognized as 'Japanese Sea Lions' you racist piece of shit.
FortressFortuna 11 months ago
@FortressFortuna
Hey, you liar. If there exists no such species as recognized as "'Japanese Sea Lion," how is it that many internet sites hit when you google for "Japanese Sea Lion?" Even Wikipedia has a page for Japanese Sea Lion. Its latin name is "Zalophus japonicus." Do not lie so shamelessly. According to Korean papers, Koreans lie 1000 times more often than Japanese.
인구비례 ,한국의 위증죄 일본의 857배, 무고죄 1085배!!
WondrousJapanForever 11 months ago
@WondrousJapanForever The Japanese named it the Japanese Sea Lion- just like they named the east sea (which they share with Korea, Russia, China and Taiwan) the Japanese Sea. Don't give me that shit.
Also, note while I am keeping my arguments POLITICAL, your arguments are RACIST. I never have insulted the Japanese people, just their actions. You are racist against Koreans. I am not racist against Japanese.
FortressFortuna 11 months ago
@eugeneluv
The concept of "effective control" was introduced with the international law in the 19th century to Japan. Japan declared the sovereignty over Takeshima in 1905 precisely following the procedures prescribed in the international law, when Koreans were too uncivilized even to know something about the international law. This is why Koreans claim over Dokdo is nothing based on any international law and cannot go to the International Court of Justice to prove their claim.
WondrousJapanForever 1 year ago
@eugeneluv
And it is not called "Dokdo Sea Lion" in the international academies, but it is called Zalophus californianus japonicus (Japanese Sea Lion). The last Japanese Sea Lion was found on Takeshima in 1975. Do not distort the history in such a shameless way.
WondrousJapanForever 1 year ago
If it has a little weak point, Japanese are claim, and they insist it's their's.
Korea recognized Dokdo as her territory since Shilla era and Korean did fishing act many hundred years ago.
Also Japanese government knew that Dokdo is Foreign territory therefore they banned japanese fisherman going the island as mentioned their official document
eugeneluv 1 year ago
If Korea wins, it could be problem to the Japanese economic relations, even though in Korea, Dokdo is known by nearly everyone, and in Japan (where I lived) most people dont know. I hope one day it doesnt come to that.
Screaming the loudest may win a battle (old Korean proverb, I heard), but it may not win the war.
very tricky. simple but tricky!
seifukusha 1 year ago
sure, but since another party thinks differently, then youll have to go to court, otherwise having Koreans staying on the islands can be decided to be illegal. Every country must follow the law. But I understand Korean gov't's point. IF they lose, itll be such a blow to the fragile Korean ego, which has been made very sensitive from recent history, as well as modern Korean values (to be succesful, competitive, etc).
seifukusha 1 year ago
@seifukusha 1) I don't think you understand about Dokdo issue so leave at that. Nobody can stop Japanese people's greed for territories, having constant problem swith China & Russia as well regarding surrounding islands.
2) There is no such Korean proverb, some Japanese made that up, so don't pretend you know Korean proverbs.
3) You actually sound like Japanese. ^^ Tada~
Sarah01181225 1 year ago 2
anyone who bothers to google it will just see it for the typical fare you get in NYC anyway, wierd groups passing out propaganda. never mind. i want an iPad
seifukusha 1 year ago
@seifukusha Didn't catch your point.
Sarah01181225 1 year ago
@Sarah01181225 I guess I mean itll probably not get noticed. Americans will pay more attention to an Ipod than this.
Answer is simple, Intl Court to decide. Thats what most people would say.
In Korea theres a proverb that say the one with the loudest voice wins, maybe thats what this is. Expensive ads in NYC (why not LA?) but anyway....
I lived in Hawaii, btw, Dokdo and Jeju and any Korean Do is NOT hawaii, not even close. Its an island with a few cities and a nice climate....
seifukusha 1 year ago
@seifukusha There is nothing to be decided for International court as Dokdo island belongs to Korea from the beginning. Japan began to insist from 1951 when the treaty between WW2 loser country Japan & Allies was made. A person who lacks knowledge about this issue compares dokdo with hawaii. Dokdo island is just rocks guarded by Korean soldiers. It is about territory, fish market, not about 'swimming in a beach under the sun'.
Sarah01181225 1 year ago 4
@Sarah01181225
You know nothing about this issue. Japanese fishermen have used Takeshima as a relay point to sail to Ulleung-do since the 16th century, and in 1905, Japan declared the sovereignty over Takeshima officially. Korea has never recognized the existence of these two rocks until the 20th century. As an evidence, there exists no Korean old map which depicts these two rocks correctly. What was drawn as "Usan-do" in their maps is obviously Jukdo, next to Ulleung-do.
WondrousJapanForever 1 year ago
@Sarah01181225
When the WW2 was over, GHQ put temporal border "MacArthur LIne" between Japan and Korea. Just before the San Francisco Treaty was concluded between Japan and victor countries of the WW2, Korea submitted to the US government demands that Dokdo should be given to Korea and that the MacArthr Line should be continued. These demands was rejected in the "Rusk Document" which says Takeshima was Japan's territory since 1905 and there was no historical fact that it belonged to Korea.
WondrousJapanForever 1 year ago
@Sarah01181225
You can read "Rusk Document" in my video.
watch?v=n463iX5vr6U
The U.S. government's understanding on this issue has not changed since Rusk Document, though they are just recommending us to file a suit to the International Court of Justice in Hague, Netherlands. Japan also has urged South Korea to put the judgement into the hands of the Court, but South Korea has rejected our request. They know they will lose if it is judged according to the international laws.
WondrousJapanForever 1 year ago
@WondrousJapanForever
There are many old Japanese documents showing Dokdo belongs to Choson Dynasty.
Korea does not need to go to the court just like Japan refuses to go to the court for China's claim for whatever the island name is since Dokdo belongs to Korea from the beginning.
Sarah01181225 1 year ago
@Sarah01181225
There is no such maps nor documents. All the sources you relate to Dokdo is not about Dokdo, but about Ulleungdo and Jukdo. Just look at the maps with your own eyes. Even a little child can tell it's Jukdo, not Dokdo from the shapes. Choson Dynasty prohibited Koreans from living even in Ulleungdo from 1417 to 1882. How could they know the existence of Dokdo which is located about 100 km farther from Ullengdo?
WondrousJapanForever 1 year ago
@WondrousJapanForever
2 weeks ago, there was a meeting held in Seoul where a couple of Japanese scholars attended showing the old documents where it clearly said dokdo belongs to choson dynasty. There are some videos in Ytube showing that too, but I think you should type 독도 rather than dokdo. Then you will see some....Aren't going to school or work now as it is Monday morning there? ^^
Sarah01181225 1 year ago
@Sarah01181225
I don't know which document you are mentioning, but most documents and maps South Korea has related to Dokdo are about Ulleung-do and Jukdo. If you believe Dokdo belongs to South Korea according to every international law, why are you rejecting to file a suit to the International Court of Justice? We will accept whatever result which will come from the suit. Why won't you solve this dispute once for all?
WondrousJapanForever 1 year ago
@WondrousJapanForever The old "Japanese " documents shown by Japanese scholars. There are tons of them as living proof.
About the court, I don't know why as I am not a President of SKorea but my personal thinking is that they feel no need to go to the court as it belonged to Korea from the beginning. Refer to my story about neighbour. You guys needed to return everything that once belonged to Korea as annexation was over!
Sarah01181225 1 year ago
@Sarah01181225
Of course there are tons of sources that prove Ulleung-do and Jukdo belongs to Korea. So if you insist "these sources are mentioning Dokdo," you can say "there are tons of sources that prove Dokdo belongs to Korea." The fact is there is no Korean map and document which mentions Dodko. Please tell us why there exists no Korean map which depicts Usando as two rocks. There are lots of Japanese old maps which depict Takeshima as two rocks.
WondrousJapanForever 1 year ago
@WondrousJapanForever
so u are saying that even though there are tons of sources that prove dokdo belongs to korea it's not korean's b/c it's not on the map? that doesn't make sense. a lot of maps in the past have been made for people's convenience and dokdo wasn't convenent for the people in the past to visit maybe that was the reason why it wasn't on the korean map. but that doesn't mean that the sources proving dokdo a korean territory are wrong
firefirespitfire 1 year ago
@firefirespitfire
There is no proof that Dokdo belongs to Korea. Usando which Korea claims to be Dokdo, is not Dokdo, but another island Jukdo, which lies 2km east of Ulleungdo according to old Korean maps.
watch?v=t2WPumgzUFA
WondrousJapanForever 1 year ago
@firefirespitfire
The fact that there is no old Korean map which depicted Dokdo means that Koreans didn't know even the existence of the island. On the contrary, Japan has lots of old maps which depicted Takeshima. It simply means Japan has effectively controlled the island since old times.
WondrousJapanForever 1 year ago
@Sarah01181225
Just take a look at the blog run by American English teacher living in South Korea. You can see many maps and documents. He concluded that Korean government is deceiving Korean people and brainwashing them.
WondrousJapanForever 1 year ago
@WondrousJapanForever Yeah yeah yeah yeah...everything is brainwashed in Korea...but this one, I believe dokdo belongs to Korea.
Previous President Bush stood behind Korea over this issue through then secretary of the states Rice. I watched it in CNN live ^^, which I don't know if USA can do anything about this issue but whatever....
Sarah01181225 1 year ago
@Sarah01181225
The U.S. government official understanding has never changed.
This is from a press briefing released by the White House on July 30, 2008.
"Let me be very clear that our policy on this territorial dispute has been firm and consistent since 1952,・・・・・"
WondrousJapanForever 1 year ago
@WondrousJapanForever Since 1952? When San francisco treaty was made? That's right. Japan returned Dokdo island to Korea after losing the WW2 but in 1952, you guys insisted this island should belong to Japan. Why?
Sarah01181225 1 year ago
@Sarah01181225
The first Rusk document was sent to Korea in 1951, but South Korea repeated the same demand to the US government so the U.S. had to repeat the same reply to the South Korea several times. Just visit my channel and look at the BG picture. It is one of the document which confirmed the content of the first Rusk document in 1951. The White House mentioned the second or third reply to South Korea by "1952."
WondrousJapanForever 1 year ago
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Sarah01181225 1 year ago
@Sarah01181225
South Korea is becoming a big cult in which people are ranting "Dokdo is Korea" without any basis. Moreover, they are working so hard to expose their insanity to the whole world.
WondrousJapanForever 1 year ago
@WondrousJapanForever The one and only reason Japan claims is because your main food is fish & there is a big gas deposit.
Sarah01181225 1 year ago
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Sarah01181225 1 year ago
@Sarah01181225
Japan didn't begin to claim from 1951. In 1905, Japan legally and officially declared the sovereignty over the the uninhabited island and there was no objection from Korea at that time. Koreans didn't even know the existence of such an island in the Sae of Japan until then. It is well proved by the fact that there is no old Korean map which depicted Takeshima.
WondrousJapanForever 1 year ago
@WondrousJapanForever r u the guy who i talked in the past?
Man should i write all those evidence here again?
gonna try to block me again huh?
MoonyK1211Max 1 year ago
@MoonyK1211Max
Just as old Korean maps show, Usando is not Dokdo, but Jukdo which lies 2km east of Ulleungdo. There exists no evidence that Koreans recognized even the existence of the islets which is called Dokdo now.
watch?v=cd4FnHo2WQ4
WondrousJapanForever 1 year ago
@WondrousJapanForever hey you want to start this over again? I explained this months ago to YOU. And you were tired of debating with me because u had no enough evidence. and you want to start again.
U r weird man. Usando=Jukdo=Dokdo. Go study. You are dumb.
MoonyK1211Max 1 year ago