@georgianWolf30 "dont tall me this bullshit?" lmao. First; of learn how to spell & talk correctly.
secondly; it doesnt matter how many people live there.. so dont start talking about that "bullshit". How are you going to generalize georgia & russian.. georgia has good fighters so does russian. you cant say just because russia wasnt there or didnt win. georia is better.
and what ? it's Irakli Tsirekidze, 2008 olympics gold medalist. he is a very talented judoka. It's not a wonder he won against Pershin. But still, it's only one fight. It proves nothing.
How many medals georgians won on worlds and on european championships since 2008 ?
euro chamiponships - 1 gold , 1 silver. world - 0 medals
Russia:
euro - 7 golds , 3 silver, 4 bronze. world - 1 gold, 2 silvers, 6 bronze
The reason leg picks are removed is because the game was getting boring with all these wrestlers and BJJ guys coming in and going for single and double leg take downs. There were no big throws, no technique - it went back to high school wrestling. - nothing to do with Russians.
Superior than that shitty japan judo. They actually make sure they land in a good position instead of on their back where they get choked by bjj players.
I can't win a match standing since those fucknuts decided to make competition unfair. Tall judokas have an unfair advantage since leggs can't be touched.
@rutgerzat I am taller than anyone I've ever fought and no one tried to grab my leg, even before the new rules. Instead, it was I who went to grab their legs.
the rules about leg grabs are getting changed because they dont like how effective the russian fighters are. theres plenty of good technique shown here.
@tyebo87 Same as when the pistol grip on the gi sleave was abolished. When the japanese start getting beat at their own game, the rules seem to change.
@TheMythTheMagic Your logic is flawed. Look at the origins of Sombo. MANY techniques were scrapped. Your next question should be "WHY?" Stop and think: Who are you more afraid of? The man who has done 1000 throws once? Or the man who has done one throw 1000 times? If a technique is quite difficult, or has limited applications, then scrap it and move on to one which possess more uses in a broader range of applications.
I may be misunderstanding your comment. but basically if the number of possible attacks on a Judoka decreases by decreasing the number of attacks that are legal then in a real situation Judoka may not have the reflex to defend these illegal attacks. In BJJ schools you tell them your a judoka and they'll try and heel hook or knee bar you because they know you don't practice it. I mean its getting to the point where you'll be able to a wider variety of throws in BJJ tournis than Judo ones.
@TheMythTheMagic I would agree with you on that last point. I played judo, BJJ, sombo, and wrestling for 10 years after high school, Judo by far had the most rule changes. Most of the people that I trained with went the way of sambo and BJJ because of what you just stated. We all wanted to fight a more "pure" style then MMA, and because we all liked judo, but the constant onslought of rule changes were just too much. By the way.... love the heel hook!
@TheMythTheMagic and with that, what are we playing? Judo : rule book A, BJJ: rule book B, Sambo rule book C. You know what I mean? Kind of along the lines of that same old arguement: "MY STYLE IS THE BEST!! WHAT IF THIS? WHAT IF THAT?" I am not accusing you of this, so please, do not take it that way. I just do not wish to partake in that. I am a fan of wrestling in all forms, jacket or not. From judo to BJJ, to tossing my son around in the back yard. To bad th politics of styles screw things
Oh yeah, definitely 100% with you there. I think with me I want the most of all the grapple arts because theres only a Judo club by me. Otherwise I wouldn't care. And this rulebook stuff i agree with also. I think I wrote practically the same thing you just mentioned in your most. Not looking for an argument at all. sorry if thats how its coming across.
And they all have applications. Van der walle and rhadi thrived on pickups and leg grabs etc and I'm sure their opponents had to learn to defend them to be succesful. they don't have to as much anymore. As for the which would you fear most its always the man inbetween. Kosei told me he only throws right handed and his key techniques were mostly won by O uchi, ippon seio & uchimata. Then I see him randori and throw someone with sode tkg. We should be prepared for all attacks.
There is no such thing as perfect technique. In the begging there was no technique at all, and then the people who were successful taught their stuff.
The top echelon of coaches MAKE the techniques up, but it is different for every individual/body type.
All of the athletes in this video are highly technical but upper level wrestling/judo is sloppy; it's a scramble; a fight. This is the real world, not the hypothetical practice arena. If you want finesse throws, watch at the high school level.
"Sambo" is what the Soviats renamed Judo after a certain political malice against Japan... since they pretty much changed the style and added a huge amount of russian wrestling they felt it was in their right to change the name... though Sambo was developed by a certain Judoka (his name escapes me) and when the it was finished they killed him off... Russian Judo actually kicked major ass for the first few years it was introduced but then the Japanese caught on and countered it.
Russia is 80% all whores?!?!? sorry that europeans can't make condoms that small for asians. don't get upset over somethign like this and tell lies, lol.
Doesn't seem like it. Really i dont' believe it from how your comment makes you look stupid as well as Pro- American and down with Europeans..maybe grow some balls while your at it for Heritage wise?
Why is everyone bagging Russian judo? Granted, I feel that generally Russian Judokas' tend not to be as 'graceful' as most, but that is just because most Russian Judokas' have trained in sambo and wrestling. Of course if you have trained in other styles of wrestling, it will influence you in what attacks you utilize. In addition, there is nothing wrong with being a physically stronger and more 'muscley' judoka. A stronger judoka is a better judoka. Period!
gracefull effective judo is the essence , to show the world how strenght and muscles can be utalised at judo ........not charging like a bull , not using the art of judo..................
Have big phisic?, have muscles, size? BETTER and if you know judo, JUST GREAT, then use your strenght, and go ya´ll. for me the best judo. Ugly, but effective!
to much power, way to much power, if some one like choi min, or toshihiko or paischer would win, because they use technique, and russia just muscles alot of people, i saw a russian guy do a uchimata, and he just basically lifted him of the ground with his leg, and his opponent was stupid because he could have just fell of his leg and onto his belly.
oh, and just there i thought i'd seen some beautiful tai otoshi, seouinage, kata guruma, de ashi harai, okuri ashi harai, makarovs beautiful left sided kenken uchi mata, matsiev's unique kouchi gari.
the stupid russian judo no longer will be permited in competetion as its similar to wreslingand has nothing to do with calssical gacefull judo.................the new rule of judo will pealise anybody grabing pants and going for morote gari and all other russian stupud techniques
wtf are u talking about u must be 1 of that stupid americans, russian judo is the best, and grabing pants and going for morote gari are pealiseble cose u r just wind up
fuck marius vizier with these new rules fuck him.
momo200090 3 weeks ago
similar to mongolian judo style
dashdulam2323 3 weeks ago
nice song
dashdulam2323 3 weeks ago
The last fight is the best of the video
axemaster87 3 months ago
which to russian fighters are on 0.26 and 1.12?
joeryb52 4 months ago 9
nice moves.... leg takedowns rare to see!!!! awesome.... thumbs up by me
dancingmephisto 6 months ago
NEMAJU POJMA DECKI
ProductionXxSibXx 6 months ago
@Einheri89 lol. You stupid or what. thats koshi-guruma not uchimata
Cou76 7 months ago
hahaha i love how everyone is hating on russian style of judo becauase its one of the best... : )
KiDiNKLEGiT 7 months ago
at 1.58 was the russian in blue gi?
dodoslovensko 7 months ago
RUssian Judo with a a "Du hast nicht" song.... interesting...
SAMURAAAAI 7 months ago
@SAMURAAAAI In Russia Rammstein is very popular
e1Arthuro 7 months ago
Holy shit ! look at that 1:54 what an strenght uchi komi !
Cou76 9 months ago
el último ashi barai impresionante
slocck1 9 months ago
galstyan krasav4ik
supergerman97 10 months ago
@supergerman97 сагласен :)
Cou76 7 months ago
RUSSIA rulez but JUDO suckz
plus why do the russians need judo they have SAMBO a real man's sport
ThisReallySuckz 11 months ago
@ThisReallySuckz sambo originates from Judo & karate idiot
theend1245 7 months ago
1:50 nice
supergerman97 11 months ago
@georgianWolf30 "dont tall me this bullshit?" lmao. First; of learn how to spell & talk correctly.
secondly; it doesnt matter how many people live there.. so dont start talking about that "bullshit". How are you going to generalize georgia & russian.. georgia has good fighters so does russian. you cant say just because russia wasnt there or didnt win. georia is better.
KiDiNKLEGiT 11 months ago
GRANDIOS-MOLODZI REBYATA
istasy 1 year ago
watch?v=8j7CzLfEn1g&feature=related
i can see georgia but were is russia? :D
GeorgianWolf30 1 year ago
@GeorgianWolf30
I don't know. Ivan Nifontov won euro and world in 2009, why he is not in this selection ?
-81 kg Ole Bischof GER ?? watch Nifontov vs Bischof at 2009 worlds
/watch?v=1DmWROZzzTQ
/watch?v=rxOzDReJNsg
- I see no georgians there
duda7208 1 year ago
Georgia allways fuck russia in judo ;)
GeorgianWolf30 1 year ago
@GeorgianWolf30
there was European championship in Tbilisi in 2009.
Russia won 5 gold medals, Georgia won 0 gold medals.
duda7208 1 year ago
@duda7208
Oh sorry, Georgia won 1 gold medal. But it's still not so much
duda7208 1 year ago
@duda7208
haha stop lying
you know ti that georgians are better then russians in judo :)
GeorgianWolf30 1 year ago
@GeorgianWolf30
Lying ?
Use google and check it out. Tbilisi 2009 European judo championship.
By the way, check out other tournaments, Russia always have more medals than Georgia
duda7208 1 year ago
@duda7208
watch?v=Rr1-O-P0R28&feature=related
GeorgianWolf30 1 year ago
@GeorgianWolf30
and what ? it's Irakli Tsirekidze, 2008 olympics gold medalist. he is a very talented judoka. It's not a wonder he won against Pershin. But still, it's only one fight. It proves nothing.
How many medals georgians won on worlds and on european championships since 2008 ?
euro chamiponships - 1 gold , 1 silver. world - 0 medals
Russia:
euro - 7 golds , 3 silver, 4 bronze. world - 1 gold, 2 silvers, 6 bronze
duda7208 1 year ago
@duda7208
watch?v=R5BhRqQVXDo
GeorgianWolf30 1 year ago
@GeorgianWolf30
Georgia (2008-2010)
euro - 1 gold , 1 silver, 0 bronze. world - 0 golds, 0 silvers, 0 bronze
Russia (2008-2010):
euro - 7 golds , 3 silver, 4 bronze. world - 1 gold, 2 silvers, 6 bronze
duda7208 1 year ago
@duda7208
i think you dont understand that
in georgie live 4 million people
and in russia over 160
so
dont tall me this bullshit...
GeorgianWolf30 1 year ago
@GeorgianWolf30
1. its dont tell * not tall
2.in russia lives 140 mils
3.in georgia wrestling is national sport
MrFocusFreak 10 months ago
The reason leg picks are removed is because the game was getting boring with all these wrestlers and BJJ guys coming in and going for single and double leg take downs. There were no big throws, no technique - it went back to high school wrestling. - nothing to do with Russians.
temagami 1 year ago
Superior than that shitty japan judo. They actually make sure they land in a good position instead of on their back where they get choked by bjj players.
elbowtko 1 year ago
Georgian Judo is Best
GeoMartial 1 year ago
I can't win a match standing since those fucknuts decided to make competition unfair. Tall judokas have an unfair advantage since leggs can't be touched.
rutgerzat 1 year ago
@rutgerzat I am taller than anyone I've ever fought and no one tried to grab my leg, even before the new rules. Instead, it was I who went to grab their legs.
judogo4it 1 year ago
im 10 and i do judo my i am 23 i am going to judo in the olimpics and im winning gold!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
superwwe2009 1 year ago
на третьей минуте подсечка отличная!!!! в лучшем виде!!!!!!!!!!!!
Albagachyev 1 year ago
what genius put a german song on a "russian judo" video?
trooperdz 1 year ago 3
@trooperdz Ha ha that's right huh
PankrationWarrior 1 year ago
haha a nice tribute to Russian judo guys, but using a German song. Get something Russian in there. although don't get me wrong its a great song.
dudeinblack5000 1 year ago
а тут руссичи не против лиц кавказкой национальности
noxcho1930 1 year ago
1:20 such a greate master, 5*
qalpos 1 year ago
About leg grabs=)) A judoka friend of mine stated it pretty funny the other day - "Judo became East European pajama wrestling"
electronikita 1 year ago
Все отлично! 2.58 подсечка бешенная!!!!!! Так и надо!!!!!! ДОСТОЙНО!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Albagachyev 1 year ago
Подсечка бешенная!!!! Так и надо !!!!!! ДОСТОЙНО!!!!!!!!!!!!
Albagachyev 1 year ago
@Jessika_Leyne Follow !
judocajessika 2 years ago
the rules about leg grabs are getting changed because they dont like how effective the russian fighters are. theres plenty of good technique shown here.
tyebo87 2 years ago 26
@tyebo87 yea, lots of judo at 2:30 . I bet his uchi komi for that throw is really intense.
Hobofobico 1 year ago
@tyebo87 Same as when the pistol grip on the gi sleave was abolished. When the japanese start getting beat at their own game, the rules seem to change.
detroitvagabond 1 year ago
perfect judo
MrFocusFreak 2 years ago 2
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Russia sucks. None of them have really clean throws like japanese people. No skills.
mdol88 2 years ago
stfu , russian judo is one of the best in the world! LOL japanese people yeah?
In japan every second person trains judo .
You could compare russia and japan in other sports , you dont have life.....
MrFocusFreak 2 years ago 13
@MrFocusFreak whats ur point look at Georgia they have 6 million people population an their judo is amazing even better then russian
giga927 1 year ago
@giga927 wrestling is their national sport....... I think your from georgia yeah ?
MrFocusFreak 1 year ago
That last one... incredible.
SecretTechniqueGuy 2 years ago 2
russian judo is a perfect combination betwen power and technic. And there is no more strenght then technic that is lie!
alezyz 2 years ago
that's all strenght ¬_¬
poladores 2 years ago
there is no mercy for the weak :)
yulatheterror 2 years ago 2
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there is no perfect technic involved in russian judo. Dude just take a look at russian players where is the clean throw?
Russians always do pick ups or just muscles it. NO TECHNIQue. Admit it seriously.
mdol88 2 years ago
with force yes but with technic sometime look at 1:48 and 1.57
skateur59255 2 years ago
If judo is effective then it should deal with it and work around it. Getting rid of techniques make it less effective.
TheMythTheMagic 2 years ago 2
@TheMythTheMagic Your logic is flawed. Look at the origins of Sombo. MANY techniques were scrapped. Your next question should be "WHY?" Stop and think: Who are you more afraid of? The man who has done 1000 throws once? Or the man who has done one throw 1000 times? If a technique is quite difficult, or has limited applications, then scrap it and move on to one which possess more uses in a broader range of applications.
detroitvagabond 1 year ago
I may be misunderstanding your comment. but basically if the number of possible attacks on a Judoka decreases by decreasing the number of attacks that are legal then in a real situation Judoka may not have the reflex to defend these illegal attacks. In BJJ schools you tell them your a judoka and they'll try and heel hook or knee bar you because they know you don't practice it. I mean its getting to the point where you'll be able to a wider variety of throws in BJJ tournis than Judo ones.
TheMythTheMagic 1 year ago
@TheMythTheMagic I would agree with you on that last point. I played judo, BJJ, sombo, and wrestling for 10 years after high school, Judo by far had the most rule changes. Most of the people that I trained with went the way of sambo and BJJ because of what you just stated. We all wanted to fight a more "pure" style then MMA, and because we all liked judo, but the constant onslought of rule changes were just too much. By the way.... love the heel hook!
detroitvagabond 1 year ago
@TheMythTheMagic and with that, what are we playing? Judo : rule book A, BJJ: rule book B, Sambo rule book C. You know what I mean? Kind of along the lines of that same old arguement: "MY STYLE IS THE BEST!! WHAT IF THIS? WHAT IF THAT?" I am not accusing you of this, so please, do not take it that way. I just do not wish to partake in that. I am a fan of wrestling in all forms, jacket or not. From judo to BJJ, to tossing my son around in the back yard. To bad th politics of styles screw things
detroitvagabond 1 year ago
@detroitvagabond
Oh yeah, definitely 100% with you there. I think with me I want the most of all the grapple arts because theres only a Judo club by me. Otherwise I wouldn't care. And this rulebook stuff i agree with also. I think I wrote practically the same thing you just mentioned in your most. Not looking for an argument at all. sorry if thats how its coming across.
TheMythTheMagic 1 year ago
@detroitvagabond
And they all have applications. Van der walle and rhadi thrived on pickups and leg grabs etc and I'm sure their opponents had to learn to defend them to be succesful. they don't have to as much anymore. As for the which would you fear most its always the man inbetween. Kosei told me he only throws right handed and his key techniques were mostly won by O uchi, ippon seio & uchimata. Then I see him randori and throw someone with sode tkg. We should be prepared for all attacks.
TheMythTheMagic 1 year ago
@TheMythTheMagic Dig. I see your point!
detroitvagabond 1 year ago
There is no such thing as perfect technique. In the begging there was no technique at all, and then the people who were successful taught their stuff.
The top echelon of coaches MAKE the techniques up, but it is different for every individual/body type.
All of the athletes in this video are highly technical but upper level wrestling/judo is sloppy; it's a scramble; a fight. This is the real world, not the hypothetical practice arena. If you want finesse throws, watch at the high school level.
jaytonbye 2 years ago
would this be sambo, or 'russian judo'
familyjools 2 years ago
"Sambo" is what the Soviats renamed Judo after a certain political malice against Japan... since they pretty much changed the style and added a huge amount of russian wrestling they felt it was in their right to change the name... though Sambo was developed by a certain Judoka (his name escapes me) and when the it was finished they killed him off... Russian Judo actually kicked major ass for the first few years it was introduced but then the Japanese caught on and countered it.
RurouniHeart 2 years ago
oh ok, thanks dude
familyjools 2 years ago
@RurouniHeart
It was mr.Oshepkov,he was the first russian to get the black belt and second dan in Kodokan...
1488Ratibor 2 years ago
Russian jduo uses very few seoi nage.
judogo4it 2 years ago
Does anybody know the exact title of the song?
judogo4it 2 years ago
The name of the song is Duhast by Rammenstein. a german group.
stephany8402 2 years ago
Thank you.
judogo4it 2 years ago
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at exactly 2:33 the man is being thrown by his penis. Have fun with that.
rossko 2 years ago
Russians have the best judo style of all time with there brute power and size best style to fight
highlandcityfl 2 years ago 3
is the best video!!
ijgggh 2 years ago
1:09 was an awesome throw.
WarJudoka 2 years ago
2:01
kylesteinhauser 2 years ago
well i think russia's judo is pretty much like wrestling freestyle
jonny28121990 2 years ago
MAny of those russians are armenians, chechens, dagestani, lol
Arstim 2 years ago
They are strong as hell, but you can`t deny they are technical as well. You can`t go very far in judo only with strength, even though it helps.
I watched Yakimov`s instructional and there is a lot of stuff in russian judo I want to add to my game.
UmDiaEuFicoBom 2 years ago
@ 0:30 excellent wrestling takedown :P
DeNifter 2 years ago
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uuh the russians aren't real fighters, they do judo with strength not with techniques, soon russian judo will be disabled.
-Japan judo owns all russian bitches, russia is 80% whores.
RUSSIA CANT FIGHT!! they fight vs chechenya hahahah,, let them try vs AMERICA OR IRAN.
fucking russians mofo's
ALLAHU AKBAR.
WTFSTRIKEZ3 2 years ago
Russia is 80% all whores?!?!? sorry that europeans can't make condoms that small for asians. don't get upset over somethign like this and tell lies, lol.
GermanGenius 2 years ago
i am european u cunt mother fucker
WTFSTRIKEZ3 2 years ago
Doesn't seem like it. Really i dont' believe it from how your comment makes you look stupid as well as Pro- American and down with Europeans..maybe grow some balls while your at it for Heritage wise?
GermanGenius 2 years ago
GermanGenius, why get racist and stereotype us Asians?
yussefumaketse 2 years ago
**** ur shit.... Russians use quite a lot strenght judo, but also much uchi mata and tai otoshi.
judogo4it 2 years ago
man i am not russian but i tell u that u r wrong!
AmiriBuxoro 2 years ago
You whore look at 2:55 and tell me if thats power judo. Fucking idiot
Riipper1 2 years ago
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Hey, bitch ur moms a ho fucking gay russian
WTFSTRIKEZ3 2 years ago
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son of a bitch your just a skinny ass motherfucker fucking russian whore tell me where you live ima hunt you down bitch fucking whore fuck you
-greets your dad
WTFSTRIKEZ3 2 years ago
This is very much not in the spirit of Judo.
rossko 2 years ago
I mean, the argument, not the video.
rossko 2 years ago
strength is awesome 4 judo
joeyx456 2 years ago
Why is everyone bagging Russian judo? Granted, I feel that generally Russian Judokas' tend not to be as 'graceful' as most, but that is just because most Russian Judokas' have trained in sambo and wrestling. Of course if you have trained in other styles of wrestling, it will influence you in what attacks you utilize. In addition, there is nothing wrong with being a physically stronger and more 'muscley' judoka. A stronger judoka is a better judoka. Period!
PhiskerHangers 2 years ago
Les Russes ont un judo formidable <3
Judokate94 2 years ago
gracefull effective judo is the essence , to show the world how strenght and muscles can be utalised at judo ........not charging like a bull , not using the art of judo..................
alsabeh 2 years ago
STFU look at Makarov Or Galstyan Or Matsiev Or the countless number of other very very skilled Russian judoka.
Riipper1 2 years ago
Nice testicle lift at 2.26.
brottarnacke 2 years ago
Have big phisic?, have muscles, size? BETTER and if you know judo, JUST GREAT, then use your strenght, and go ya´ll. for me the best judo. Ugly, but effective!
Levitic22 2 years ago
ppl should stop bashing russian judo.
there's nothing wrong with it.
So what if their judo is influenced by wrestling? Just another style of the same judo.
Get the fuck over yourselves.
xKingKang 2 years ago
2:30-3:14... wow so cool!
rostov23455 2 years ago
to much power, way to much power, if some one like choi min, or toshihiko or paischer would win, because they use technique, and russia just muscles alot of people, i saw a russian guy do a uchimata, and he just basically lifted him of the ground with his leg, and his opponent was stupid because he could have just fell of his leg and onto his belly.
PooJiraiya 2 years ago
te gorouma, sumi gaeishi, morote gari,ura nage is stupid russian speciality,
not the gracefull ashiwaza ,tewaza or goshi waza............
alsabeh 2 years ago
oh, and just there i thought i'd seen some beautiful tai otoshi, seouinage, kata guruma, de ashi harai, okuri ashi harai, makarovs beautiful left sided kenken uchi mata, matsiev's unique kouchi gari.
no seriously, i don't see your point.
scarecrowJ89 2 years ago 2
the stupid russian judo no longer will be permited in competetion as its similar to wreslingand has nothing to do with calssical gacefull judo.................the new rule of judo will pealise anybody grabing pants and going for morote gari and all other russian stupud techniques
alsabeh 2 years ago
stupid alsabeh, how many pants grabing techniques did you see in the video?
evonschtolz 2 years ago
wtf are u talking about u must be 1 of that stupid americans, russian judo is the best, and grabing pants and going for morote gari are pealiseble cose u r just wind up
alezyz 2 years ago
similar to sambo
JackJudo 2 years ago
this very strange judo.....rissians are very strange......but this style judo is nice \:D
MicroCooly 2 years ago
1.57 owns!!! beautiful
AmiriBuxoro 2 years ago
i missed islam matsiev in the beginning, but still great clip!
scarecrowJ89 2 years ago
2:58 WOW! Russia the best..
fRrRrrRRrrr24 2 years ago
he attacks the bad leg :S.... the opponest surely was kinda injured
poladores 2 years ago
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good video but fuck russia
GEORGIA 4 EVER
akakifrance 2 years ago
still crying about war loss?? Fucking georgian loser!
zheka1780 2 years ago
no, it's "fuck akakifrance", judo forever.
evonschtolz 2 years ago
OMG what a Deashi Harai!!!
Just amazing!
SSSSRB1N 2 years ago
00:31 just PERFECT
SSSSRB1N 2 years ago
unique style
EjenAmy 2 years ago
lol a song in German for a Russian team...
babelcarlota 3 years ago
lol oh good i am glad i am not the only one to notice =p
psychedelically 2 years ago
superbe musique tres beau combats bonne qualité exellent clips felicitation
serge47600 3 years ago
calidade
milfuegos2 3 years ago