@Strefanasha "Many are called FEW are chosen" "Straight is the Gate , narrow is the Way..........FEW be there that find It" "Not all who call Me Lord, Lord will enter the Kingdom"
@irishxxkelt "I wouldn't go to a butcher to get advice about my car"
Rather stupid analogy. Ehrman, a highly trained biblical scholar using original languages and texts. He's more familiar with it than essentially every minister anywhere. He is the highly trained mechanic on this issue. He is agnostic because of his studies. You're basically saying that you will only go to someone who thinks and believes as you do rather than someone who wants to give straight advice. That = a closed mind.
@twointhebush2000 What sort of claptrap is "proper context" and "social principles on the paternal plane"? The N.T. was written by men who knew him intimately including James his half-brother. Luke obviously got the accounts of his birth from Mary. Paul met Jesus in a vision on the road to Damascus. The great Simon Greenleaf of Harvard wrote a thesis that proved that the 4 Gospels would stand up as reliable witness statements in any court of law.
@irishxxkelt "Simon Greenleaf of Harvard wrote a thesis that proved that the 4 Gospels would stand up as reliable witness statements in any court of law. "
You do realize eye witnesses are extremely unreliable. They are especially suspect if different eye witnesses give different accounts of the event.
Witness 1- He was quite and withdrawn but right at the end he said "why have you forsaken me????"
Witness 2 - He was so calm and serene. And right at the end he made peace with his god"
@rugbyguy59 Funny if they are so unreliable they are used in courts of law for serious cases,even murder. I do not know what you are quoting from. Jesus was quoting Psalm 22 when people thought that he felt forsaken. What do you mean Jesus made His peace with God on the cross?
@irishxxkelt Yes, eye witnesses are used in courts. But judges and lawyers (prosecution and defence), plus people who study the subject, know they are not very reliable. They forget details, invent details based upon existing points of view, all sorts of stuff really. However juries tend to believe them so they get used a lot.
I am quoting the two books on the crucifixion as Ehrman quotes them in the video. The two versions are very different.
@twointhebush2000 Fariy tale? Are you so ignorant? Tacitus, Suetonius, Josephus and other PAGAN Roman historians attest to the life and death of Jesus and also the Talmud. Bart Ehrman has been discredited by other Biblical scholars including his master's supervisors. I doubt if he gets invited to many churches.
both ground shaking books. Must reads for anyone religious person regardless of your viewpoints. his books should be required reading in every Bible College and allow the students to come to their own conclusions.
I think it may also prove helpful to some of the viewers here to try to evaluate many of the more strident claims of the anti-theist critique ("brights") from a ideological/ metaphysics perspective. Check out the recent article by Jackson Lears in the May 16, 2011 issue of the The Nation entitled "Same Old New Atheism" .The article offers a compelling analysis of Sam Harris' works. Consideration is given to general atheistic social perspectives
Wanted to let everyone know about free video refutations to Bart Ehrman's claims available at the youtube channel "EhrmanProject"
and also
EhrmanProject (dot) com
Hope you enjoy these videos.
Also, a new DVD entitled "The battle to discredit the bible" responds to Ehrman and other claims and is an excellent resource for all believers. The DVD is broken down into clips which are featured on my bible archaeology playlist - I hope you all find the information there interesting !
@RespectMyHate ...why demons would flee? you know there was no such Jesus at all. neither hebrew nor aramaic has the letter J. So Jesus was never been called Jesus anyway. find out his real name..
"Organisms have sex, (or sometimes not) and a new creature is created. The problem with your first cause argument is that if there is a creator, there has to be a creator for that creator. Take a logic 101 class pal."
I think you just answered yourself, a creator for the creator which is impossible (that's supernatural, a miracle by itself). The simple truth is, God was and is Always. Time was created by God, our perception of time is very limited.
Yes they do. They say the universe began to exist. The universe is the word conventionally applied to the totality of all existent things. (Contingent) things that begin to exist appear to require a cause. Christians say this cause was God. Anti-Christian scientists typically dance around this point about the origin of the universe and say that the causal agency of God is not an explanation. But then we must believe that the universe came from nothing for NO reason. Not more plausible...
You see, I'm just the opposite, I DON'T want to believe any of this stuff. Reading and listening to Dr. Ehrman and his ilk only serves to confirm my suspicion that most of the arguments conventionally taken to militate the harshest against Christian belief are not very good at all. I said MOST.
don't forget you atheists that one of your people too left your atheism. Antony Flew ...hahah you lose too. we lost one of ours you atheists lost one of yours so we are even. :)
Antony Flew had great knowledge .. it was a shock to know he became a theist hhaha
@blopajmbar62 More theist propaganda. There are many urban legends floating around in evangelical circles. I know, I'm a pastors son. Ive heard it all.
@MrTruthAddict Just because you are a pastors son doesn't mean anything. There are atheist's children who believe in God. I won't lie , i admit that religion is really disorganized and many have made huge mistakes about their teachings. But there is also the good part and good teachings which many are willing to overlook
Ehrman is an unmitigated fraud. His so-called "research into the discrepancies and contradictions" of the Christian scriptures is nothing more than a warmed-over retread of the higher criticism of the German schools of the 18th and 19th century. This leads me to believe that those who now hail Ehrman's banal rehashing of an outdated philology as fascinating and seminal are either disingenuous haters or intellectually bankrupt poseurs suffering from a bad case of scholarly amnesia.
@djs259 In other words, no matter how much evidence there is that your religion is a fraud, youre going to continue to believe in fairy tales. Ok great, got it...carry on!
@MrTruthAddict The position I articulated does not depend in the least on one's personal beliefs. It is, in fact, a position that stems purely from intellectual honesty and fair-mindedness, two habits which, incidentally, appear to be irremediably lacking in typical doctrinaire "skeptics" like yourself. By no means has real Biblical scholarship ever proven Christianity to be a fraud. This is because such a claim would be outside the purview of its very methods. Dr. Ehrman is being dishonest.
@djs259 Ah, the old "I have information that is not available to mere mortal men" argument. Nice try pal. I'm a pastor's son and I've been studying the bible for over 30 years. I became a non-believer BECAUSE I studied the bible and its history.
The funny thing about your statement is that in order to get you to believe these fairy tales someone had to tell you that he possessed knowledge you could not have without HIS interpretation of the bible. Now here you are repeating that nonsense.
@djs259 BTE, I love how you completely jump over and avoid the issue of disproving his evidence, and go directly to judging his motives. So Christian of you. Why am I not surprised?
@MrTruthAddict Who's the one dodging the issue by attacking motives? You have already branded me a "christian believer and apologist" while I am none of these things. Your 30 years of bible study has apparently yielded quite little actual insight, certainly not enough to see that biblical scholarship by its very nature cannot deal with religious questions. Christianity is not an intellectual system to be "disproven", it is a religious movement based on a tradition. The bible is part of that.
@djs259 Xtianity doesnt need to be an intellectual system in order to be disproven. If one looks at the facts, it is easy to see that the stories people believe nowadays about JEsus and the stories surrounding him, were fabricated by men. There is scant evidence first of all to prove a guy named Jesus even existed. Even if he did and even if he did raise from the dead, it doesnt prove he was who he says he was.
@MrTruthAddict If there is scant evidence that Jesus ever existed, then what does that say about the value of Dr. Ehrman's arguments purporting to refute orthodox Christian doctrine by way of the supposed misquotations of Jesus by his later followers. BTW, the claim that Jesus did not exist is untenable from a historical point of view. That type of logic, applied consistently, would leave us little basis to suppose the actual existence of almost every prominent historical figure of event.
@djs259 You obviously haven't read his book. It's not LITERALLY about Jesus being misquoted. It is about the historical value of this book called the bible. It is about how men corrupted these writings, and in fact created them out of thin air based on word of mouth. Its about how THOSE original transcripts no longer exist so it is impossible to verify that the hearsay version we had in the first place was even accurate. The bible is wholesale fiction.
@MrTruthAddict The ancients had no concept of fiction, only myth. The New Testament represents the codification of the early Christian kerygma. This is derived purely from oral tradition, which was normative in an oral culture. There is no evidence whatsoever that the stories were "invented" in the sense of a sheer fabrication. That is just groundless speculation based on a set of prejudices and the antecedent assumptions which follow upon them. Your argument is a non-sequitur.
@djs259 Perhaps fiction is a misnomer. Since in reality there is nothing new under the sun, man has always simply adopted cults which preceded theirs and changed them slightly so as to appeal to the masses. Constantine worshiped Mithra but Xtianity was so similar to his religion that he had no problem adopting it and adding it to his belief system. Many religions were practiced simultaneously during that time.
@MrTruthAddict The "roman cults' etiology was discarded as a legitimate historical thesis by the turn of the 19th century. You scoff at NT classes, but if you had taken a couple you might have know how utterly vacuous this thesis is as an explanation of normative christian practice during the first three centuries.
@djs259 It's a silly mistake to believe that the brand of Christianity invented here in American in the 1800's was anything like the Xtianity of Constantine's time. The amazing thing is that people are just as gullible and superstitious as they were back then. It's hard to believe.
@djs259 I have run into mentally ill people who thought they were Jesus or God. Nowadays we just say that person is mentally ill. And rightly so. But since we are talking about a character 2000 years ago, people somehow buy into it? Simply amazing.
The Greatest Bible Study in Historical Accuracy by Steefen sets the stage for the historical-critical approach to Bible study. Bart Ehrman's book is premature in its criticisms.
@fiercemind321 Life is not a miracle. Organisms have sex, (or sometimes not) and a new creature is created. The problem with your first cause argument is that if there is a creator, there has to be a creator for that creator. Take a logic 101 class pal.
Here's my question to believers...can you demonstrate just one biblical, supernatural claim as a fact??
Many quote scripture non-stop, as if is a fact of life, yet I say prove it. Show me how you validate any biblical claim as a fact. In asking this question, not one person has come forth to prove their claims.
It's unfortunate that Xians choose to attack Bart Ehrman & attempt to destroy his credibility, simply bcuz he was a believing scholar who got honest & found the discrepancies in scripture to be of serious concern.
It's sad that many believers will go to almost any extreme to protect what they wish to believe. 90% of Xians don't study scripture. They don't study the origins of the Judeo-christian religion. I just spent almost 4 intense yrs in study & am now convinced this religion is fraudulent.
@Cootabux Are you suggesting that mere study of New Testament and early Church history is sufficient to convince any intelligent, honest person that Christianity is "fraudulent"? Sorry to burst your bubble, but many a finer mind than your own has tread this ground before and arrived at the very opposite conclusion. If there are any serious objections to Christianity as a world-view, they are not to be found in biblical scholarship, and anyone who says so is an intellectual simpleton. Period.
Augustine of Hippo (Bertrand Russell once called him a "very great intellect") , Thomas Aquinas, William of Ockham, John Duns Scotus, Sir Francis Bacon, Rene Descartes, George Berkeley, Immanuel Kant, Soren Kierkegaard, Gabriel Marcel, Jacques Maritain, Paul Tillich, Fyodor Dostoevsky, and that's just scratching the surface.
@djs259 Most scientists who say they believe in god refer to a god in the sense that Einstein did. In the Deist sense, or the abstract sense of the intelligence of the universe. By no means were they referring to a personal god (the type modern day evangelists are hawking) who listens to prayer and knows how many hairs are on your head and cares who wins a football game. That's just nonsense.
@MrTruthAddict Perhaps that is correct. Though you asked me to give you examples of great minds who subscribed quite publicly to conventionally Christian beliefs, and I did that. It is intellectually dishonest to argue that one would need to willfully shut their eyes to "facts" in order to maintain Christian belief. This type of argument overlooks that there are no "facts" at all, only interpretations of facts. The best arguments against Christianity do not come from toads like Ehrman et al.
@djs259 One would absolutely have to close their eyes to the facts in order to retain superstitious beliefs. Dr. Francis Collins is a perfect example of that. He is a renowned scientist who KNOWS that Genesis is a bunch of nonsense but he insists on believing that this Jesus character was real and rose from the dead. Utterly amazing. How does he explain away things such as the nonsense on Genesis? He says it makes him "uncomfortable" If that aint denial, I dont know what is.
@MrTruthAddict So far you have not provided any real arguments for your claim that Christianity is a fraud other than to cite your supposed authority as the son of a "pastor", which succeeds in showing that such a past does little to obviate the poverty of intellectual judgement that leads one to believe that there is some information about the bible extant, the awareness of which would necessarily preclude any intelligent person from subscribing to the doctrinal precepts of the Christianity.
@djs259 THere is no way Xtianity CAN be anything BUT a fraud. The bible itself says that everything man touches is corrupted. (because of the principle of original sin) Many Xtians today consider Catholicism a cult, yet the bible they claim is the perfect word of god was under complete control of this corrupt organization for hundreds of years. The writings were ABSOLUTELY corrupted by political hacks in the Catholic church. This is undeniable. Please prove otherwise. Thank you.
@MrTruthAddict I can tell from your post that you've never bothered to actually sit in on a college level NT class, but draw your arguments directly from hucksters like Pagels and Ehrman, people who make their living publishing books that claim to refute orthodox Christianity. I think if you had done so, you would be embarrassed by the collection of worthless bromides you've trotted out as "indisputable facts". The text of the bible was "corrupted" by Catholic hacks? Can you read Latin?
@djs259 LOL, funny how YOU call people who spend their life studying religion "hucksters" (at the most prestigious schools in the world I might add) yet you subscribe to the propaganda of televangelists. Sit in a college class and study the NT? What a colossal waste of time that would be. It is a book written in the bronze age by people who were neither eyewitnesses nor did they have access to people who were eyewitnesses to the crucial events in this fairy tale.
@djs259 At the very least you could be intellectually honest about the whole thing and admit that you, like Tertullian, believe simply BECAUSE it is so absurd. There is no way a rational person could believe this nonsense after looking at the facts.
@djs259 Here's the thing. I grew up in a Christian family and a Christian nation. The fact is, I WANT to believe in this stuff. Life would be much easier if I did believe it. But I cant do it and be honest to what the facts tell me.
@djs259 I live in So Cal and I'm surrounded by fairy tale believers. It's hard to witness this mass delusion and not worry about the future of this country.
@MrTruthAddict It is a pity that there are people here that take your smug posturing as an indication of intellectual substance rather than the intellectual poverty and prejudice which it really represents.
@MrTruthAddict FYI, I find your "beliefs" to be just as dogmatic and just as repugnant as those of any swaggering televangelist. It's funny how haters like yourself love to harp on the supposed credulousness of "believers", yet you are all the first to jump to the aid and support of anything and anyone who claiming to support your groundless prejudice that religion is bullshit, regardless of the intellectual poverty of his work.
@djs259 I don't HAVE beliefs. I deal in KNOWLEDGE. That's the thing. I'm just not convinced by tales of Thor, or Zeus, or Mithra, or Jesus. Sorry, I'm a modern man who knows that there are explanations for weather disturbances other than that Thor is pissed off so he's riding his chariot across the sky. Jesus didnt come back from the dead because it is physically impossible to do so. But even if he did, it doesn't mean he was a god.
@MrTruthAddict To assert a distinction between knowledge and belief itself amounts to a belief, namely the belief that knowledge is distinct from belief. I agree with you that it is physically impossible for Jesus to come back from the dead. But as the son of a pastor you should know that that's not what Christians claim. Christians claim that God raised Jesus from the dead. Totally different thing.
@djs259 Wait, so you really believe that some guy came back from the dead? I think I just wasted too much precious time on you.
Xtianity: The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree...
@MrTruthAddict That's a preposterous caricature...which incidentally I do not find any less plausible than the proposition that matter and energy simply popped into existence, uncaused, and out of nothing and that further, managed to organize itself through a haphazard drive (also of unknown origin) into poetry reading, equation solving, abstractly reasoning human beings able to reflect on the slime which somehow produced it through a blind random process utterly devoid of transcendental meaning
@djs259 haha, nobody has ever claimed any such thing. When scientists say that things came from nothing they are not forgetting that matter only changes forms, and it never spontaneously appears. Indeed it is the theist who claims that things appeared out of nowhere on the command of some sky daddy. I always find that argument of yours to be quite intellectually dishonest. I think you know, or should know what you are doing there. No one has ever said it happened randomly either.
@djs259 Natural Selection is not a random process. Mutations are random, Natural Selection "selects" those that are beneficial, and possibly neutral, and discards those that are deleterious.
Respond to this video... If matter only changes form then it must always have existed and be "eternal". What is your evidence that matter is eternal? I don't see that there is any. Still think this is all more plausible than your sky-daddy hypothesis? It isn't, don' fool yourself.
@djs259 You betray your utter ignorance of science and evolution when you use those canned Xtian arguments like that. Do you deny that evolution is fact? Is it "just a theory?" as you Xtians are so wont to say...if so, I think we're done here. I cant deal with people who are willfully ignorant.
@MrTruthAddict It has been my experience that both believers and unbelievers, from the crudest to the most sophisticated, tend to formulate their beliefs instinctively and then latch on to whatever rationale and or putative evidence appears to reinforce their chosen prejudice. And Christianity is quite a bit more theologically elaborate than ancient pagan myths referring natural phenomena to the action of particular deities. But if you just want some expedient pretext then believe away.....
@djs259 In my case, my evolution was much like Ehrman's. Except I waited until all the facts were in before I decided whether to become an apologist. It is a very convenient argument for Xtians to make that all non-believers are simply too lazy to look into a religions veracity. On yhour last point, Xtianity is indeed even more ambiguous and simplistic in tha tregard. The explanation becomes "We cant know the mind of god" or God works in mysterious ways." Piss on me and tell me its raining
@MrTruthAddict There are no facts only interpretations of facts. I think your interpretation of the human experience of the world is shallow and dishonest. I'm not supporting Christianity, I'm opposing stupidity and dogmatism. Christian dogmatism went the way of the dodo centuries ago, but scientistic techncrats still think they have the true faith, it's hilarious....
@djs259 Well what a surprise, an ad hominem from an apologist. So basically you're an anti-intellectual and that is your religion? Wow, youre such a cliche. I'll bet you're a Sarah Palin follower too no doubt. Scientists never claim to have ultimate truth. They only deal in facts. They reject supernatural claims that cant be substantiated. TO call that a religion or dogmatism is dishonest and a lie. But Ive come to expect that from you Xtians.
Respond to this video..Watching him and others earn their scurvy livings writing books and appearing on television programs hyping the phony claim that "scholarly" analysis refutes core Christian beliefs is insulting to the intelligence of believers and unbelievers alike. He knows better. He's just grandstanding in order to gain attention and make money. The fact that I refuse to support his nonsense arguments against Christianity is evidence of my commitment to intellectual honesty and truth
@djs259 As he said, BIBLE scholars might agree on things about the bible but that's because they are BELIEVERS. Non-biased people, i.e., historians do NOT Agree because they have no axe to grind. They are not trying to proselytize a religion. I know religious people like to frame it that way but thatt is a lie..
Mark 10-18 says nothing of Jesus saying he was not God,,What does Emanuel mean. God was with us when he was born, Jesus is Gods son and it says God came down in the form of his son,,,1 timothy 3-16 God was manifest in the flesh Justified in the spirit Preached to the Gentiles and was received up into glory,, I guess I do read my bible and so many miss the mark
ur not understanding me thats not what jesus said and plus u proved me right because the word of god shouold not have contradictions and the bible has it but the quran on the ohter hand does not. and did u find out about muhammad in the bible?
anyone selling books is just there to make money, the gospel is a free people and you are a theft if you make money on the gospel, your books are mans foolishness
@INTERINVESTCHANNEL1 I agree, books are man's foolishness. The bible is one of the biggest works of foolishness. Superstitious nonsense is all it is. As a pastors son, I should know.
God has providentially preserved His Word perfect in the Bible. It is thus, sacred, infallible and final authority.
All Bible critical information is, as usual, worthless.
Always dump it.
"For the word of God [is] quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and [is] a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart." (Heb 4:12)
@trac4yt As a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart, I would say that you are attempting to perpetrate emotional blackmail on those who have done their homework and come to different conclusions than you have. "Christians" are notorious for doing this, not for genuine concern for others, but as a way to validate their own unsubstantiated beliefs. Fear is a powerful motivator.
@INTERINVESTCHANNEL1 You don't know "God". It's typical for arrogant "christians" like you to play martyr and claim persecution when you bring it on yourselves. "Christians" never seem to be able to take responsibility for their behavior; willfully ignorant, prideful, arrogant, slothful, hypocritical, back-biting, adulterous and greedy liars.
@richwfd2002 I don't claim to be perfect like you,,,, you just described every person on earth and you just use the word Christian to blame everyone for your own stupidity and sins..And no,, None know God and I couldn't get lucky enough to be a martyr for God, That would be the best blessing in my life thanks....
@trac4yt Humm Old Testament stuff. And you really believe this to be true? It's like my saying to you now. "believe everything I tell you, even if I tell you to murder all the men in Chicago because you can't find a wife, take the woman you like, force her to marry you. Rape within marriage is allowable" You would do this?? Christians love the NT but hold onto the Old when it comes in handy.
@ipegasus Both the new and old testament have there application and truth for todays corruption,,Look at how Christians are being persecuted and hated,,, we rejoice in it all because the truth is again for told and we see our redemption and others damnation coming soon to a reality show near you
@trac4yt Oh geez. You've obviously never read it if you think it is without error. As a pastors son Ive read it front to back many times. Xtianity is the fraud of the age.
Mr,Bart D Ehrman Your video conference of (Misquoting Jesus) I watched several times.It is one and only one great informative video on YouTube relating to Jesus Christ Gospel.In past several years I have not found anything near comparable to the knowledge and research you describing in the video.You and your Team did a Great Job*****
The oldest piece of Gospel (P-52) in what language is that ? Please.
There are 50,000 errors in the bible. How can this book God's words? Theives corrupted the gospel. So God sent prophet Muhammad peace be upon him. But christian (some of them) choose to be atheists or agnostic instead of handling the truth.
@MsTruthvoice You are telling the truth how? Because you want to believe that stuff. I expect my scholars to provide me with something I want to believe in. You believe because you think you have to. I can be good all by myself and not have to carry the baggage of my ancestors who behaved in a very uncivilized manner. I am an atheist but it just means I don't believe in faerie tales or worship any men. Past or present.
@ipegasus believing in God is not a fary tale. it is up to you to believe in Him or not. people being atheists because they havnt found the true religion or because they dont deal with being slave to God
@INTERINVESTCHANNEL1 excuse me have you read your bible u need to enderstand that in the bible its elf jesus talks about muhammad pbuh and he says to a an i am not god.
@SuperL1on Yes I read daily, hourly and when I talk to all you good people who think you know it all and know nothing. So bring on some scripture and not just your own thoughts. You show me scripture where God says anything about Muhammad and one place where he says he is not God...Come on
@SuperL1on Mark says nothing about Muhammad, 17-18 says their in none good but God so whats that got to do with Jesus saying he is not God. You still never showed me anyplace that Jesus talks about Muhammad,, Sure there is God the father, the Son,, but you want me to show you places Jesus knows he is Of the Father Revelations 20 6-8 he will be our God and we will be his sons. I guess this is Jesus saying he is not God
@INTERINVESTCHANNEL1 Jesus him self was a servant to God look at act3-1313 The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, the God of our fathers, has glorified his servant Jesus. You handed him over to be killed, and you disowned him before Pilate, though he had decided to let him go.
look at act 4-27 too 27 Indeed Herod and Pontius Pilate met together with the Gentiles and the people of Israel in this city to conspire against your holy servant Jesus, whom you anointed
servant Jesus . If Jesus is servant we too servants.
@MsTruthvoice What is your point,,, we are servants of God, I have not said different. The guy was saying Jesus says himself he is not God..From day one Jesus was called God,, Emanuel, God is with us
@MsTruthvoice Mark 10-18 says nothing of Jesus saying he was not God, he said not Good ,What does Emanuel mean. God is with us when he was born, Jesus is Gods son and it says God came down in the form of his son,,,1 timothy 3-16 God was manifest in the flesh Justified in the spirit Preached to the Gentiles and was received up into glory,, I guess I do read my bible and so many miss the mark as you seem to do
Do you really read the bible ?the term son's God is widely used in the bible . there are many son's of God in the bible . why do you call Jesus son of God in specific?? Jesus is great messenger and a servant of God . God does t need sons or wives . He is so sufficient
@MsTruthvoice The fact that you cannot find one mistake in the Quran says more about the mind you posses than you may think. Comments like that reveal that you may be beyond the realm of rationality. You are also unwilling, maybe even unable, to read the Quran objectively. If I were to point out the enormous amount of false scientific claims, claims regarding the cosmos, life etc., you would simply write me off as misguided. There is no real point in pointing out the obvious to the blind.
@MsTruthvoice All religion is man-made and therefore corrupted. The way women are treated in Islam is a perfect example of a religion being made by men.
it doesn't particularlu matter what mark and luke say, they were compiled by a mark and luke other than the apostles and is comprised of direct forgeries and lies generally..
i love all of his debates. smart dude........here is a comic question of the day? would he be able to hang on a debeta vs. Sean Hanitty or Bill O'Reilly. We all know he couldnt hang with Glen Back lol
@hisglorydivine Crazy Person? He revealed things that biblical Scholars have known for a couple hundred years. The stuff is so obvious if you read the Bible in context. He even believed this stuff when he was a Christian. In his opinion, the stuff written in that book doesn't make God unreal.
Haha he's an Atheist now. Finally, maybe one day people in American will stop the blind following of contradicting stories and fables and we can move on like most European countries now.
@hisglorydivine There are thousands of stories such as yours where after investigating various texts, religions and come to there conclusion that Christianity is the way, and there also thousands of examples of people investigating the same things and coming to a completely different conclusion you did. One thing that always fascinates me about conversion stories how it is always those who are the most vehemently opposed end up becoming the very thing they were opposed to.
@LordMalice6d9 he does however prove beyond doubt that the bible cannot be the INERRANT word of God because of the contradictions and discrepancies that are so obvious
@hisglorydivine Challenging your beliefs is what helps people grow, but feel free to stagnate. Assuming you're telling the truth, apparently you were never very clever then, on both counts ( I say "assume" because I find it hard to believe you have the patience or dedication to study any religion after you mindlessly condemned a book you've never read). Or mature if you're trying to point to someone else to excuse your behavior. Christians are simply more passive aggressive.
@hisglorydivine If you haven't read it, then don't give your opinion on it. That's not unreasonable and there's no reason for you to comment on it otherwise. It's like trying to review a movie after you've refused to watch it, it's dumb and misleading. What if someone saw your comment and actually thought you knew what you were talking about? That wouldn't be fair.
A warranted rebuke for your laziness isn't a debate, so don't mistake it for one. Have fun.
@hisglorydivine You haven't read his book, yet you think you can sit here and tell me why it's arguments are wrong? Do you have any idea how idiotic that is? You're literally trying to explain why something you've never even checked isn't right.
Maybe he HAS proved your LORD is sinful, but you'd never know, because you can't be arsed to even read the book before criticizing it on Youtube! It seems to be I all too clearly had your wretchedly dishonest brand of faith pegged from the start.
@hisglorydivine Have you actually read the book, or are you just close-minded enough to condemn it's arguments without having even looked at it? I'll bet that like most apologists here it's the second, and what does that say about your faith, that it's too fragile to face it's criticisms head-on, but instead has to cower in a corner with it's back turned to the world? That's pathetic.
So you buy this book so you can understand what scholars have been saying for the past 200 years. Who needs to understand what scholars say. "THEIR EMPLOYERS". I need to understand what Jesus said. Common sense really.
An excellent scholar whose presentation(s) are accurate and authoritative. I find nothing in his presentations to disagree with. Bart Ehrman gets my vote!
Christians often talk about developing a relationship with Christ and accepting him into their lives. They assert that Jesus is much more than a man and died on the cross to free mankind from the original sin. Christians speak of Jesus with love and respect, and it is obvious he holds a special place in their lives and hearts. But what about Muslims; what do they think about Jesus and what place does Jesus Christ hold in Islam? Log on to islamreligion(dot)com for details.
God has providentially preserved HIS Word perfect in the Bible, according to HIS promises. It is thus sacred, infallible, and FINAL AUTHORITY. He used HIS servants in HIS times and ways.
Bart's work is N/A.
"All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:" (2Ti 3:16)
Always dump Bible critical information. It's always, as usual, worthless.
@trac4yt :::My,my, you do have great faith! And seemingly, blind faith. None so blind as he who WILL NOT see. If you want to find out what God said, study His creations, not some book that has been proven faulty.
Mathew wrote one book and Luke wrote the other book they are different authors and they are not going to write the book the same way.You have two people who see a accident one person has one version and another person gives a different version on what happened there not the same.The apostles were the ones who wrote the bible.
@bondsly ".You have two people who see a accident ..."
Correct me if I'm wrong, but neither Mark nor Luke were there when it happened, so neither of them are witnesses. So if they are the authors, why did they write as if they were there? If they weren't the authors, then who was?
@ManicEightBall They are meant to be oral traditions eventually written down. Many evangelicists will claim that the gospels are divinely inspired and inerrant, Proffessor Ehrman has done the footwork required to explain to us that these books are man made and subject to the same errors that any man is capable of making. I am an atheist but I do not dismiss the wisdom contained in those books out of hand. Love thy neighbour, Judge not, Turn the other cheek and all the other profundities remain.
This man wasnt there he doesnt know what emotions Jesus was feeling at those times.Trying to know what a person is going through or feeling at any given time is impossibe to know he is really just guessing just like a college professor that thinks he knows everything there is to know.
@bondsly Yeah this guy wasn't there, but the accounts we have from the crucifixion don't even agree with each other in some respects. That's worth looking into and not simply blindly accepting whatever parents or religious figures say.
@dayati Name the accounts that dont even agree with each other in some respects.The bible states clearly that Jesus was crucified and raised himself up from the dead on the 3rd day there is nothing else to put into it.
NO CONTRADICTION . . . . Empty claims . . . Bart relies on the ignorance of his audience. He says in the Gospel of Luke, Jesus was not in despair at all on his way to the cross. Did he miss Luke 22:39-46? Jesus is "in agony" (v. 44). He prays "Father if it is your will let this cup pass from me." He says "In control to the very end." Sad that a man can rise so high in academia while displaying such gross and malicious ignorance. These are old arguments long since dealt with & dismissed.
If God does exist and can perform miracles, such as resurrecting Jesus from the dead, then who's to say all the miracles claimed by the other world religions aren't fact?
If God can raise Jesus from the dead, then why not Elvis? There have been plenty of Elvis sightings, so maybe Elvis was resurrected too?
@HuckMeHard That doesn't make sense. There is no historical accuracy involved in Elvis "sightings"...perhaps a solitary person says such a thing...maybe even goes as far as to write it down, then another joins in...but there are no eye-witnesses, no secondary or tertiary accounts, certainly no logical consistency. And I guarantee there are far better explanations than it being Elvis...this is in stark contrast to the Biblical account, the best explanation is that it is accurate.
As Dr. Craig explains, it's hard to have respect for a "Bible Scholar" who doesn't evaluate the texts with valid criteria, and not to mention, applies the criteria in incorrect ways. watch?v=foY31C6CZ-Q&NR=1
It's amazing how little it takes for people to get all giddy, feel that they NOW have the perfect reasoning to throw God out of their lives, just because of this one man--who in all reality is simply a "pop-Bible scholar" ...
@raoskaos How so? All I see on review is a comment and accusation based on facts, and a comment as to the reality of what's going on. The fact is is that he has the training and SHOULD know better than put this stuff in writing as if it were even close to accurate.
I'm amazed that you don't see why your comment was't an ad hominem. But I'm even more amazed that you think that a person who studied the bible and criticly though about the "case" for jesus should conclude that he rose from the dead.
And recomending a link where Craig is making a intellectual suicide is not also good. He...is....using mathematics in history, that's......ridiculous. Science isn't history. And also I don't even want to comment his 4 "facts".
@raoskaos I was hoping for some substance in your reply, but I find none. A couple things need to be clarified: Critical examination of the Scriptures has been done by many, and they come to the conclusion that the res. is accurate, it's not some sort of wacky minority as many would have us believe. Secondly, PROBABILITY is a branch of math that is very often used in determining the accuracy of historical accounts. Lastly, I think it important you DO comment on his 4 facts, they ARE valid.
@SoSaCA100 you are joking of course? Yeah that's it. Sarcasm. Got it. No one with decent eyesight (at least decent enough to actually read their bible) could take this paper dragon seriously.
Jesus said don't worship any image. So that face we all know as Jesus don't think its him.
MRBLACKPEARL04 3 weeks ago
this is dishonest, taking all complementary aspects and making them contradictions. in order to reject the gospel.
help from this man?
a waste of effort
Strefanasha 2 months ago
@Strefanasha "Many are called FEW are chosen" "Straight is the Gate , narrow is the Way..........FEW be there that find It" "Not all who call Me Lord, Lord will enter the Kingdom"
TR5T 2 months ago
And I wouldn't go to a butcher to get advice about my car. Therefore I wouldn't go to an Agnostic to have any Biblical difficulty explained.
irishxxkelt 5 months ago
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@irishxxkelt "I wouldn't go to a butcher to get advice about my car"
Rather stupid analogy. Ehrman, a highly trained biblical scholar using original languages and texts. He's more familiar with it than essentially every minister anywhere. He is the highly trained mechanic on this issue. He is agnostic because of his studies. You're basically saying that you will only go to someone who thinks and believes as you do rather than someone who wants to give straight advice. That = a closed mind.
rugbyguy59 5 months ago
@twointhebush2000 Jesus saves us from being cut off for all eternity from God.
irishxxkelt 5 months ago
"Jesus INTERRUPTED by Bart D.Ehrman...............LOOOOOOOOOL
irishxxkelt 6 months ago 2
@twointhebush2000 What sort of claptrap is "proper context" and "social principles on the paternal plane"? The N.T. was written by men who knew him intimately including James his half-brother. Luke obviously got the accounts of his birth from Mary. Paul met Jesus in a vision on the road to Damascus. The great Simon Greenleaf of Harvard wrote a thesis that proved that the 4 Gospels would stand up as reliable witness statements in any court of law.
irishxxkelt 6 months ago
@irishxxkelt With respect, studies on Jesus and 1st century Palestine and Galilee have moved on somewhat from 1806.
irishxxkelt 6 months ago
@irishxxkelt "Simon Greenleaf of Harvard wrote a thesis that proved that the 4 Gospels would stand up as reliable witness statements in any court of law. "
You do realize eye witnesses are extremely unreliable. They are especially suspect if different eye witnesses give different accounts of the event.
Witness 1- He was quite and withdrawn but right at the end he said "why have you forsaken me????"
Witness 2 - He was so calm and serene. And right at the end he made peace with his god"
rugbyguy59 5 months ago
@rugbyguy59 Funny if they are so unreliable they are used in courts of law for serious cases,even murder. I do not know what you are quoting from. Jesus was quoting Psalm 22 when people thought that he felt forsaken. What do you mean Jesus made His peace with God on the cross?
irishxxkelt 5 months ago
@irishxxkelt Yes, eye witnesses are used in courts. But judges and lawyers (prosecution and defence), plus people who study the subject, know they are not very reliable. They forget details, invent details based upon existing points of view, all sorts of stuff really. However juries tend to believe them so they get used a lot.
I am quoting the two books on the crucifixion as Ehrman quotes them in the video. The two versions are very different.
rugbyguy59 5 months ago
@rugbyguy59 I am a part time police woman so I have a LEETLE idea about court.
irishxxkelt 5 months ago
@irishxxkelt Then I would expect you to know better.
rugbyguy59 5 months ago
@rugbyguy59 Well maybe Irish courts are too different from American court system
irishxxkelt 5 months ago
@twointhebush2000 Fariy tale? Are you so ignorant? Tacitus, Suetonius, Josephus and other PAGAN Roman historians attest to the life and death of Jesus and also the Talmud. Bart Ehrman has been discredited by other Biblical scholars including his master's supervisors. I doubt if he gets invited to many churches.
irishxxkelt 6 months ago
both ground shaking books. Must reads for anyone religious person regardless of your viewpoints. his books should be required reading in every Bible College and allow the students to come to their own conclusions.
stopevil 6 months ago
"Yea, hath God said...? Bart Ehrman has made an error, man. Trying to debunk the Lord of Glory. I wouldn't want to be in his shoes.
ruthamyallan1 6 months ago
Awesome book - couldn't put it down! Bart is the man:)
MrJohndl 7 months ago
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I think it may also prove helpful to some of the viewers here to try to evaluate many of the more strident claims of the anti-theist critique ("brights") from a ideological/ metaphysics perspective. Check out the recent article by Jackson Lears in the May 16, 2011 issue of the The Nation entitled "Same Old New Atheism" .The article offers a compelling analysis of Sam Harris' works. Consideration is given to general atheistic social perspectives
shieldsff 7 months ago
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Wanted to let everyone know about free video refutations to Bart Ehrman's claims available at the youtube channel "EhrmanProject"
and also
EhrmanProject (dot) com
Hope you enjoy these videos.
Also, a new DVD entitled "The battle to discredit the bible" responds to Ehrman and other claims and is an excellent resource for all believers. The DVD is broken down into clips which are featured on my bible archaeology playlist - I hope you all find the information there interesting !
Oallos1 8 months ago
Good video, but I think you need to move the comma in the title!
Aeschylus 10 months ago
Okay, for about two thousand years NO Bible scholar has been able to be clear enough, until, Bart Ehrman. Right. Okay.
RADIXCHRISTUSMOLE 10 months ago
All I know is this, when you call on the name of Jesus the Demons flee.
Watch my video popsicle master piece.
RespectMyHate 10 months ago
@RespectMyHate LOL WHEN YOU CALL JESUS, THE DEMONS FLEE...LOL, KKKRITIAN FUNDIES BRAIN DEAD MANTRA.
I HOPE THE NAZIS, THE ZIONISTS, THE KKK FLEE TOO WHEN THEY HEAR THE NAME OF JESUS. YET THEY INVOKE HIS NAME TO CARRY THEIR VILE DEEDS.
glower125 9 months ago
@RespectMyHate ...why demons would flee? you know there was no such Jesus at all. neither hebrew nor aramaic has the letter J. So Jesus was never been called Jesus anyway. find out his real name..
white2heart 8 months ago
@white2heart Jesus unlike Allah knows all languages
irishxxkelt 8 months ago
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A RESPONSE TO BART D. EHRMAN'S
WEBSITES: isca-apologetics(dot)org and bethinking(dot)org and nobtsapologetics(dot)com and bible(dot)org
They have rebuked all the False Claims of Mr. BART D. EHRMAN.
Must see the Exposed and False Face of Bart D. Ehrman
2000peterpaul 10 months ago
"Organisms have sex, (or sometimes not) and a new creature is created. The problem with your first cause argument is that if there is a creator, there has to be a creator for that creator. Take a logic 101 class pal."
I think you just answered yourself, a creator for the creator which is impossible (that's supernatural, a miracle by itself). The simple truth is, God was and is Always. Time was created by God, our perception of time is very limited.
fiercemind321 11 months ago
Yes they do. They say the universe began to exist. The universe is the word conventionally applied to the totality of all existent things. (Contingent) things that begin to exist appear to require a cause. Christians say this cause was God. Anti-Christian scientists typically dance around this point about the origin of the universe and say that the causal agency of God is not an explanation. But then we must believe that the universe came from nothing for NO reason. Not more plausible...
djs259 11 months ago
You see, I'm just the opposite, I DON'T want to believe any of this stuff. Reading and listening to Dr. Ehrman and his ilk only serves to confirm my suspicion that most of the arguments conventionally taken to militate the harshest against Christian belief are not very good at all. I said MOST.
djs259 11 months ago
don't forget you atheists that one of your people too left your atheism. Antony Flew ...hahah you lose too. we lost one of ours you atheists lost one of yours so we are even. :)
Antony Flew had great knowledge .. it was a shock to know he became a theist hhaha
blopajmbar62 11 months ago
@blopajmbar62 More theist propaganda. There are many urban legends floating around in evangelical circles. I know, I'm a pastors son. Ive heard it all.
MrTruthAddict 11 months ago
@MrTruthAddict Just because you are a pastors son doesn't mean anything. There are atheist's children who believe in God. I won't lie , i admit that religion is really disorganized and many have made huge mistakes about their teachings. But there is also the good part and good teachings which many are willing to overlook
blopajmbar62 11 months ago
Ehrman is an unmitigated fraud. His so-called "research into the discrepancies and contradictions" of the Christian scriptures is nothing more than a warmed-over retread of the higher criticism of the German schools of the 18th and 19th century. This leads me to believe that those who now hail Ehrman's banal rehashing of an outdated philology as fascinating and seminal are either disingenuous haters or intellectually bankrupt poseurs suffering from a bad case of scholarly amnesia.
djs259 11 months ago
@djs259 In other words, no matter how much evidence there is that your religion is a fraud, youre going to continue to believe in fairy tales. Ok great, got it...carry on!
MrTruthAddict 11 months ago
@MrTruthAddict The position I articulated does not depend in the least on one's personal beliefs. It is, in fact, a position that stems purely from intellectual honesty and fair-mindedness, two habits which, incidentally, appear to be irremediably lacking in typical doctrinaire "skeptics" like yourself. By no means has real Biblical scholarship ever proven Christianity to be a fraud. This is because such a claim would be outside the purview of its very methods. Dr. Ehrman is being dishonest.
djs259 11 months ago
@djs259 Ah, the old "I have information that is not available to mere mortal men" argument. Nice try pal. I'm a pastor's son and I've been studying the bible for over 30 years. I became a non-believer BECAUSE I studied the bible and its history.
The funny thing about your statement is that in order to get you to believe these fairy tales someone had to tell you that he possessed knowledge you could not have without HIS interpretation of the bible. Now here you are repeating that nonsense.
MrTruthAddict 11 months ago
@djs259 BTE, I love how you completely jump over and avoid the issue of disproving his evidence, and go directly to judging his motives. So Christian of you. Why am I not surprised?
MrTruthAddict 11 months ago
@MrTruthAddict Who's the one dodging the issue by attacking motives? You have already branded me a "christian believer and apologist" while I am none of these things. Your 30 years of bible study has apparently yielded quite little actual insight, certainly not enough to see that biblical scholarship by its very nature cannot deal with religious questions. Christianity is not an intellectual system to be "disproven", it is a religious movement based on a tradition. The bible is part of that.
djs259 11 months ago
@djs259 Xtianity doesnt need to be an intellectual system in order to be disproven. If one looks at the facts, it is easy to see that the stories people believe nowadays about JEsus and the stories surrounding him, were fabricated by men. There is scant evidence first of all to prove a guy named Jesus even existed. Even if he did and even if he did raise from the dead, it doesnt prove he was who he says he was.
MrTruthAddict 11 months ago
@MrTruthAddict If there is scant evidence that Jesus ever existed, then what does that say about the value of Dr. Ehrman's arguments purporting to refute orthodox Christian doctrine by way of the supposed misquotations of Jesus by his later followers. BTW, the claim that Jesus did not exist is untenable from a historical point of view. That type of logic, applied consistently, would leave us little basis to suppose the actual existence of almost every prominent historical figure of event.
djs259 11 months ago
@djs259 You obviously haven't read his book. It's not LITERALLY about Jesus being misquoted. It is about the historical value of this book called the bible. It is about how men corrupted these writings, and in fact created them out of thin air based on word of mouth. Its about how THOSE original transcripts no longer exist so it is impossible to verify that the hearsay version we had in the first place was even accurate. The bible is wholesale fiction.
MrTruthAddict 11 months ago
@MrTruthAddict The ancients had no concept of fiction, only myth. The New Testament represents the codification of the early Christian kerygma. This is derived purely from oral tradition, which was normative in an oral culture. There is no evidence whatsoever that the stories were "invented" in the sense of a sheer fabrication. That is just groundless speculation based on a set of prejudices and the antecedent assumptions which follow upon them. Your argument is a non-sequitur.
djs259 11 months ago
@djs259 Perhaps fiction is a misnomer. Since in reality there is nothing new under the sun, man has always simply adopted cults which preceded theirs and changed them slightly so as to appeal to the masses. Constantine worshiped Mithra but Xtianity was so similar to his religion that he had no problem adopting it and adding it to his belief system. Many religions were practiced simultaneously during that time.
MrTruthAddict 11 months ago
@MrTruthAddict The "roman cults' etiology was discarded as a legitimate historical thesis by the turn of the 19th century. You scoff at NT classes, but if you had taken a couple you might have know how utterly vacuous this thesis is as an explanation of normative christian practice during the first three centuries.
djs259 11 months ago
@djs259 It's a silly mistake to believe that the brand of Christianity invented here in American in the 1800's was anything like the Xtianity of Constantine's time. The amazing thing is that people are just as gullible and superstitious as they were back then. It's hard to believe.
MrTruthAddict 11 months ago
@djs259 I have run into mentally ill people who thought they were Jesus or God. Nowadays we just say that person is mentally ill. And rightly so. But since we are talking about a character 2000 years ago, people somehow buy into it? Simply amazing.
MrTruthAddict 11 months ago
The Greatest Bible Study in Historical Accuracy by Steefen sets the stage for the historical-critical approach to Bible study. Bart Ehrman's book is premature in its criticisms.
Jesus, Interrupted does not have an index.
WBFbySteefen 11 months ago
"...can you demonstrate just one biblical, supernatural claim as a fact??"
Lets look at the very first and most absolute proof.
Life is a Miracle.
If you are reading this, I'm guessing you are alive.
If you see a painting, you believe there was a painter for it?
If you see a building, you believe there must have been a builder.
All matter and energy was created from somewhere, it must have had a Supernatural Creator.
Not having met them, doesn't prove they don't exist.
It's only logical
fiercemind321 11 months ago
@fiercemind321 Life is not a miracle. Organisms have sex, (or sometimes not) and a new creature is created. The problem with your first cause argument is that if there is a creator, there has to be a creator for that creator. Take a logic 101 class pal.
MrTruthAddict 11 months ago
Neither Jesus nor Muhammad were Gods....period.
ManOlantern12 11 months ago
Here's my question to believers...can you demonstrate just one biblical, supernatural claim as a fact??
Many quote scripture non-stop, as if is a fact of life, yet I say prove it. Show me how you validate any biblical claim as a fact. In asking this question, not one person has come forth to prove their claims.
Cootabux 11 months ago
It's unfortunate that Xians choose to attack Bart Ehrman & attempt to destroy his credibility, simply bcuz he was a believing scholar who got honest & found the discrepancies in scripture to be of serious concern.
It's sad that many believers will go to almost any extreme to protect what they wish to believe. 90% of Xians don't study scripture. They don't study the origins of the Judeo-christian religion. I just spent almost 4 intense yrs in study & am now convinced this religion is fraudulent.
Cootabux 11 months ago
@Cootabux Are you suggesting that mere study of New Testament and early Church history is sufficient to convince any intelligent, honest person that Christianity is "fraudulent"? Sorry to burst your bubble, but many a finer mind than your own has tread this ground before and arrived at the very opposite conclusion. If there are any serious objections to Christianity as a world-view, they are not to be found in biblical scholarship, and anyone who says so is an intellectual simpleton. Period.
djs259 11 months ago
@djs259 Really? Name one of these "great" minds...
MrTruthAddict 11 months ago
@MrTruthAddict
Where should I begin?
Augustine of Hippo (Bertrand Russell once called him a "very great intellect") , Thomas Aquinas, William of Ockham, John Duns Scotus, Sir Francis Bacon, Rene Descartes, George Berkeley, Immanuel Kant, Soren Kierkegaard, Gabriel Marcel, Jacques Maritain, Paul Tillich, Fyodor Dostoevsky, and that's just scratching the surface.
Scientists: Newton, Pascal, Kepler, Joule, Faraday, Boyle, Lavoisier, Pasteur, Mendel, Planck, Kelvin, ...the list goes on.....
djs259 11 months ago
@djs259 Most scientists who say they believe in god refer to a god in the sense that Einstein did. In the Deist sense, or the abstract sense of the intelligence of the universe. By no means were they referring to a personal god (the type modern day evangelists are hawking) who listens to prayer and knows how many hairs are on your head and cares who wins a football game. That's just nonsense.
MrTruthAddict 11 months ago
@MrTruthAddict Perhaps that is correct. Though you asked me to give you examples of great minds who subscribed quite publicly to conventionally Christian beliefs, and I did that. It is intellectually dishonest to argue that one would need to willfully shut their eyes to "facts" in order to maintain Christian belief. This type of argument overlooks that there are no "facts" at all, only interpretations of facts. The best arguments against Christianity do not come from toads like Ehrman et al.
djs259 11 months ago
@djs259 One would absolutely have to close their eyes to the facts in order to retain superstitious beliefs. Dr. Francis Collins is a perfect example of that. He is a renowned scientist who KNOWS that Genesis is a bunch of nonsense but he insists on believing that this Jesus character was real and rose from the dead. Utterly amazing. How does he explain away things such as the nonsense on Genesis? He says it makes him "uncomfortable" If that aint denial, I dont know what is.
MrTruthAddict 11 months ago
@MrTruthAddict So far you have not provided any real arguments for your claim that Christianity is a fraud other than to cite your supposed authority as the son of a "pastor", which succeeds in showing that such a past does little to obviate the poverty of intellectual judgement that leads one to believe that there is some information about the bible extant, the awareness of which would necessarily preclude any intelligent person from subscribing to the doctrinal precepts of the Christianity.
djs259 11 months ago
@djs259 THere is no way Xtianity CAN be anything BUT a fraud. The bible itself says that everything man touches is corrupted. (because of the principle of original sin) Many Xtians today consider Catholicism a cult, yet the bible they claim is the perfect word of god was under complete control of this corrupt organization for hundreds of years. The writings were ABSOLUTELY corrupted by political hacks in the Catholic church. This is undeniable. Please prove otherwise. Thank you.
MrTruthAddict 11 months ago
@MrTruthAddict I can tell from your post that you've never bothered to actually sit in on a college level NT class, but draw your arguments directly from hucksters like Pagels and Ehrman, people who make their living publishing books that claim to refute orthodox Christianity. I think if you had done so, you would be embarrassed by the collection of worthless bromides you've trotted out as "indisputable facts". The text of the bible was "corrupted" by Catholic hacks? Can you read Latin?
djs259 11 months ago
@djs259 LOL, funny how YOU call people who spend their life studying religion "hucksters" (at the most prestigious schools in the world I might add) yet you subscribe to the propaganda of televangelists. Sit in a college class and study the NT? What a colossal waste of time that would be. It is a book written in the bronze age by people who were neither eyewitnesses nor did they have access to people who were eyewitnesses to the crucial events in this fairy tale.
MrTruthAddict 11 months ago
@djs259 At the very least you could be intellectually honest about the whole thing and admit that you, like Tertullian, believe simply BECAUSE it is so absurd. There is no way a rational person could believe this nonsense after looking at the facts.
MrTruthAddict 11 months ago
@MrTruthAddict I don't necessarily believe anything. But I won't say it's bullshit just because I don't think I want to believe it.
djs259 11 months ago
@djs259 Here's the thing. I grew up in a Christian family and a Christian nation. The fact is, I WANT to believe in this stuff. Life would be much easier if I did believe it. But I cant do it and be honest to what the facts tell me.
MrTruthAddict 11 months ago
@MrTruthAddict Lots easier to be a Christian in America than non? HA! Thats funny. You don't live where I live!
djs259 11 months ago
@djs259 I live in So Cal and I'm surrounded by fairy tale believers. It's hard to witness this mass delusion and not worry about the future of this country.
MrTruthAddict 11 months ago
@MrTruthAddict It is a pity that there are people here that take your smug posturing as an indication of intellectual substance rather than the intellectual poverty and prejudice which it really represents.
djs259 11 months ago
@djs259 Go ahead and call black white and up down. It doesn't bolster your argument.
MrTruthAddict 11 months ago
@MrTruthAddict FYI, I find your "beliefs" to be just as dogmatic and just as repugnant as those of any swaggering televangelist. It's funny how haters like yourself love to harp on the supposed credulousness of "believers", yet you are all the first to jump to the aid and support of anything and anyone who claiming to support your groundless prejudice that religion is bullshit, regardless of the intellectual poverty of his work.
djs259 11 months ago
@djs259 I don't HAVE beliefs. I deal in KNOWLEDGE. That's the thing. I'm just not convinced by tales of Thor, or Zeus, or Mithra, or Jesus. Sorry, I'm a modern man who knows that there are explanations for weather disturbances other than that Thor is pissed off so he's riding his chariot across the sky. Jesus didnt come back from the dead because it is physically impossible to do so. But even if he did, it doesn't mean he was a god.
MrTruthAddict 11 months ago
@MrTruthAddict To assert a distinction between knowledge and belief itself amounts to a belief, namely the belief that knowledge is distinct from belief. I agree with you that it is physically impossible for Jesus to come back from the dead. But as the son of a pastor you should know that that's not what Christians claim. Christians claim that God raised Jesus from the dead. Totally different thing.
djs259 11 months ago
@djs259 Wait, so you really believe that some guy came back from the dead? I think I just wasted too much precious time on you.
Xtianity: The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree...
MrTruthAddict 11 months ago
@MrTruthAddict That's a preposterous caricature...which incidentally I do not find any less plausible than the proposition that matter and energy simply popped into existence, uncaused, and out of nothing and that further, managed to organize itself through a haphazard drive (also of unknown origin) into poetry reading, equation solving, abstractly reasoning human beings able to reflect on the slime which somehow produced it through a blind random process utterly devoid of transcendental meaning
djs259 11 months ago
@djs259 haha, nobody has ever claimed any such thing. When scientists say that things came from nothing they are not forgetting that matter only changes forms, and it never spontaneously appears. Indeed it is the theist who claims that things appeared out of nowhere on the command of some sky daddy. I always find that argument of yours to be quite intellectually dishonest. I think you know, or should know what you are doing there. No one has ever said it happened randomly either.
MrTruthAddict 11 months ago
@MrTruthAddict Natural selection is by definition a random process...
djs259 11 months ago
@djs259 Natural Selection is not a random process. Mutations are random, Natural Selection "selects" those that are beneficial, and possibly neutral, and discards those that are deleterious.
BacklashRC 11 months ago
Respond to this video... If matter only changes form then it must always have existed and be "eternal". What is your evidence that matter is eternal? I don't see that there is any. Still think this is all more plausible than your sky-daddy hypothesis? It isn't, don' fool yourself.
djs259 11 months ago
@djs259 You betray your utter ignorance of science and evolution when you use those canned Xtian arguments like that. Do you deny that evolution is fact? Is it "just a theory?" as you Xtians are so wont to say...if so, I think we're done here. I cant deal with people who are willfully ignorant.
MrTruthAddict 11 months ago
@MrTruthAddict It has been my experience that both believers and unbelievers, from the crudest to the most sophisticated, tend to formulate their beliefs instinctively and then latch on to whatever rationale and or putative evidence appears to reinforce their chosen prejudice. And Christianity is quite a bit more theologically elaborate than ancient pagan myths referring natural phenomena to the action of particular deities. But if you just want some expedient pretext then believe away.....
djs259 11 months ago
@djs259 In my case, my evolution was much like Ehrman's. Except I waited until all the facts were in before I decided whether to become an apologist. It is a very convenient argument for Xtians to make that all non-believers are simply too lazy to look into a religions veracity. On yhour last point, Xtianity is indeed even more ambiguous and simplistic in tha tregard. The explanation becomes "We cant know the mind of god" or God works in mysterious ways." Piss on me and tell me its raining
MrTruthAddict 11 months ago
@MrTruthAddict There are no facts only interpretations of facts. I think your interpretation of the human experience of the world is shallow and dishonest. I'm not supporting Christianity, I'm opposing stupidity and dogmatism. Christian dogmatism went the way of the dodo centuries ago, but scientistic techncrats still think they have the true faith, it's hilarious....
djs259 11 months ago
@djs259 Well what a surprise, an ad hominem from an apologist. So basically you're an anti-intellectual and that is your religion? Wow, youre such a cliche. I'll bet you're a Sarah Palin follower too no doubt. Scientists never claim to have ultimate truth. They only deal in facts. They reject supernatural claims that cant be substantiated. TO call that a religion or dogmatism is dishonest and a lie. But Ive come to expect that from you Xtians.
MrTruthAddict 11 months ago
@djs259 BTW, I was with you until you called Ehrman a toad. Points to a personal investment you have in this fairy tale that he has debunked.
MrTruthAddict 11 months ago
@MrTruthAddict Nope, you've got me all wrong.
djs259 11 months ago
Respond to this video..Watching him and others earn their scurvy livings writing books and appearing on television programs hyping the phony claim that "scholarly" analysis refutes core Christian beliefs is insulting to the intelligence of believers and unbelievers alike. He knows better. He's just grandstanding in order to gain attention and make money. The fact that I refuse to support his nonsense arguments against Christianity is evidence of my commitment to intellectual honesty and truth
djs259 11 months ago
@djs259 As he said, BIBLE scholars might agree on things about the bible but that's because they are BELIEVERS. Non-biased people, i.e., historians do NOT Agree because they have no axe to grind. They are not trying to proselytize a religion. I know religious people like to frame it that way but thatt is a lie..
MrTruthAddict 11 months ago
@MrTruthAddict I'll let you have the last word. Good night sir.
djs259 11 months ago
@djs259 You're obviously a Bill O'Reilly fan too, lol
MrTruthAddict 11 months ago
Mark 10-18 says nothing of Jesus saying he was not God,,What does Emanuel mean. God was with us when he was born, Jesus is Gods son and it says God came down in the form of his son,,,1 timothy 3-16 God was manifest in the flesh Justified in the spirit Preached to the Gentiles and was received up into glory,, I guess I do read my bible and so many miss the mark
INTERINVESTCHANNEL1 1 year ago
ur not understanding me thats not what jesus said and plus u proved me right because the word of god shouold not have contradictions and the bible has it but the quran on the ohter hand does not. and did u find out about muhammad in the bible?
SuperL1on 1 year ago
I will have to buy this book, it should be a great read, this guy knows what he is talking about.
TheTomtompiper 1 year ago
anyone selling books is just there to make money, the gospel is a free people and you are a theft if you make money on the gospel, your books are mans foolishness
INTERINVESTCHANNEL1 1 year ago
@INTERINVESTCHANNEL1 I agree, books are man's foolishness. The bible is one of the biggest works of foolishness. Superstitious nonsense is all it is. As a pastors son, I should know.
MrTruthAddict 11 months ago
Very interesting book, from an historical standpoint as well as religious. I recommend it!
mik3anthon3y 1 year ago
God has providentially preserved His Word perfect in the Bible. It is thus, sacred, infallible and final authority.
All Bible critical information is, as usual, worthless.
Always dump it.
"For the word of God [is] quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and [is] a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart." (Heb 4:12)
Receive Christ.
Be delivered from a wasted life.
:-)
trac4yt 1 year ago
@trac4yt As a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart, I would say that you are attempting to perpetrate emotional blackmail on those who have done their homework and come to different conclusions than you have. "Christians" are notorious for doing this, not for genuine concern for others, but as a way to validate their own unsubstantiated beliefs. Fear is a powerful motivator.
richwfd2002 1 year ago
@richwfd2002 Thank you for that,, I fear God, if fear is my motivator I am in,,, it's a fool that don't fear God
INTERINVESTCHANNEL1 1 year ago
@INTERINVESTCHANNEL1 You don't know "God". It's typical for arrogant "christians" like you to play martyr and claim persecution when you bring it on yourselves. "Christians" never seem to be able to take responsibility for their behavior; willfully ignorant, prideful, arrogant, slothful, hypocritical, back-biting, adulterous and greedy liars.
richwfd2002 1 year ago
@richwfd2002 I don't claim to be perfect like you,,,, you just described every person on earth and you just use the word Christian to blame everyone for your own stupidity and sins..And no,, None know God and I couldn't get lucky enough to be a martyr for God, That would be the best blessing in my life thanks....
INTERINVESTCHANNEL1 1 year ago
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@richwfd2002 Thank you for that reality ,, I fear God, if fear is my motivator I am in,,, it's a fool that don't fear God
INTERINVESTCHANNEL1 1 year ago
@trac4yt Humm Old Testament stuff. And you really believe this to be true? It's like my saying to you now. "believe everything I tell you, even if I tell you to murder all the men in Chicago because you can't find a wife, take the woman you like, force her to marry you. Rape within marriage is allowable" You would do this?? Christians love the NT but hold onto the Old when it comes in handy.
ipegasus 1 year ago
@ipegasus Both the new and old testament have there application and truth for todays corruption,,Look at how Christians are being persecuted and hated,,, we rejoice in it all because the truth is again for told and we see our redemption and others damnation coming soon to a reality show near you
INTERINVESTCHANNEL1 1 year ago
@trac4yt Oh geez. You've obviously never read it if you think it is without error. As a pastors son Ive read it front to back many times. Xtianity is the fraud of the age.
MrTruthAddict 11 months ago
Mr,Bart D Ehrman Your video conference of (Misquoting Jesus) I watched several times.It is one and only one great informative video on YouTube relating to Jesus Christ Gospel.In past several years I have not found anything near comparable to the knowledge and research you describing in the video.You and your Team did a Great Job*****
The oldest piece of Gospel (P-52) in what language is that ? Please.
TRUTHvsDECEPTION 1 year ago
Best book I have ever read!
MikeandAngellinn 1 year ago
Best book I have ever read, seriously!
MikeandAngellinn 1 year ago
I agree this is a great book regardless of your beliefs be it a believer or not. Highly recommended!
MikeandAngellinn 1 year ago
There are 50,000 errors in the bible. How can this book God's words? Theives corrupted the gospel. So God sent prophet Muhammad peace be upon him. But christian (some of them) choose to be atheists or agnostic instead of handling the truth.
MsTruthvoice 1 year ago
@MsTruthvoice You are telling the truth how? Because you want to believe that stuff. I expect my scholars to provide me with something I want to believe in. You believe because you think you have to. I can be good all by myself and not have to carry the baggage of my ancestors who behaved in a very uncivilized manner. I am an atheist but it just means I don't believe in faerie tales or worship any men. Past or present.
ipegasus 1 year ago
@ipegasus believing in God is not a fary tale. it is up to you to believe in Him or not. people being atheists because they havnt found the true religion or because they dont deal with being slave to God
MsTruthvoice 1 year ago
@MsTruthvoice No where in the bible does it say we are slave to God,,, fools
INTERINVESTCHANNEL1 1 year ago
@INTERINVESTCHANNEL1 excuse me have you read your bible u need to enderstand that in the bible its elf jesus talks about muhammad pbuh and he says to a an i am not god.
SuperL1on 1 year ago
@SuperL1on Yes I read daily, hourly and when I talk to all you good people who think you know it all and know nothing. So bring on some scripture and not just your own thoughts. You show me scripture where God says anything about Muhammad and one place where he says he is not God...Come on
INTERINVESTCHANNEL1 1 year ago
@INTERINVESTCHANNEL1 Mark 10: 17-18
and watch a video on youtube type dr zakir naik muhammad in the bible
SuperL1on 1 year ago
@SuperL1on Mark says nothing about Muhammad, 17-18 says their in none good but God so whats that got to do with Jesus saying he is not God. You still never showed me anyplace that Jesus talks about Muhammad,, Sure there is God the father, the Son,, but you want me to show you places Jesus knows he is Of the Father Revelations 20 6-8 he will be our God and we will be his sons. I guess this is Jesus saying he is not God
INTERINVESTCHANNEL1 1 year ago
@SuperL1on Also read Matthew 1-23 His name Emanuel, God is with us
INTERINVESTCHANNEL1 1 year ago
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@INTERINVESTCHANNEL1 Jesus him self was a servant to God look at act3-1313 The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, the God of our fathers, has glorified his servant Jesus. You handed him over to be killed, and you disowned him before Pilate, though he had decided to let him go.
MsTruthvoice 1 year ago
look at act 4-27 too 27 Indeed Herod and Pontius Pilate met together with the Gentiles and the people of Israel in this city to conspire against your holy servant Jesus, whom you anointed
servant Jesus . If Jesus is servant we too servants.
MsTruthvoice 1 year ago
@MsTruthvoice What is your point,,, we are servants of God, I have not said different. The guy was saying Jesus says himself he is not God..From day one Jesus was called God,, Emanuel, God is with us
INTERINVESTCHANNEL1 1 year ago
@INTERINVESTCHANNEL1 do you read the bible?
Jesus never said he is god or son of God
Mark 10-18
Why do you call me good?" Jesus answered. "No one is good--except God alone.
Jesus himself went to the eample and prayed did he pray to him self?
MsTruthvoice 1 year ago
@MsTruthvoice Mark 10-18 says nothing of Jesus saying he was not God, he said not Good ,What does Emanuel mean. God is with us when he was born, Jesus is Gods son and it says God came down in the form of his son,,,1 timothy 3-16 God was manifest in the flesh Justified in the spirit Preached to the Gentiles and was received up into glory,, I guess I do read my bible and so many miss the mark as you seem to do
INTERINVESTCHANNEL1 1 year ago
Do you really read the bible ?the term son's God is widely used in the bible . there are many son's of God in the bible . why do you call Jesus son of God in specific?? Jesus is great messenger and a servant of God . God does t need sons or wives . He is so sufficient
MsTruthvoice 1 year ago
@INTERINVESTCHANNEL1 find a video in the you tube (top ten reasons why Jesus can not be God )
the guest is an ex minister
MsTruthvoice 1 year ago
@MsTruthvoice There are countless mistakes in the Quran too... care to talk about those?
ManOlantern12 1 year ago
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MsTruthvoice 1 year ago
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@ManOlantern12 Have you ever read Quran??
I challenge you to bring one mistake in the Quran find only one mistake if you dare I am waiting
MsTruthvoice 1 year ago
@MsTruthvoice The fact that you cannot find one mistake in the Quran says more about the mind you posses than you may think. Comments like that reveal that you may be beyond the realm of rationality. You are also unwilling, maybe even unable, to read the Quran objectively. If I were to point out the enormous amount of false scientific claims, claims regarding the cosmos, life etc., you would simply write me off as misguided. There is no real point in pointing out the obvious to the blind.
ManOlantern12 1 year ago
@MsTruthvoice All religion is man-made and therefore corrupted. The way women are treated in Islam is a perfect example of a religion being made by men.
MrTruthAddict 11 months ago
it doesn't particularlu matter what mark and luke say, they were compiled by a mark and luke other than the apostles and is comprised of direct forgeries and lies generally..
daemonowner 1 year ago
i love all of his debates. smart dude........here is a comic question of the day? would he be able to hang on a debeta vs. Sean Hanitty or Bill O'Reilly. We all know he couldnt hang with Glen Back lol
StuntWorkz 1 year ago
I have read several of his books and the man is spot on!
I especially liked it when he said (elsewhere): "How can we say that the Bible is the inerrant word of God, when we don't have the words?"
Alas, if I had the time and money for it, I'd go take his course. IMHO this guy demonstrates the total incorrectness of Biblical Fundamentalism.
AGNOSSI 1 year ago
@hisglorydivine Crazy Person? He revealed things that biblical Scholars have known for a couple hundred years. The stuff is so obvious if you read the Bible in context. He even believed this stuff when he was a Christian. In his opinion, the stuff written in that book doesn't make God unreal.
123Atheist 1 year ago
Haha he's an Atheist now. Finally, maybe one day people in American will stop the blind following of contradicting stories and fables and we can move on like most European countries now.
macharius188 1 year ago
@hisglorydivine There are thousands of stories such as yours where after investigating various texts, religions and come to there conclusion that Christianity is the way, and there also thousands of examples of people investigating the same things and coming to a completely different conclusion you did. One thing that always fascinates me about conversion stories how it is always those who are the most vehemently opposed end up becoming the very thing they were opposed to.
LordMalice6d9 1 year ago
@LordMalice6d9 he does however prove beyond doubt that the bible cannot be the INERRANT word of God because of the contradictions and discrepancies that are so obvious
takewhole 1 year ago
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LordMalice6d9 1 year ago
@hisglorydivine Challenging your beliefs is what helps people grow, but feel free to stagnate. Assuming you're telling the truth, apparently you were never very clever then, on both counts ( I say "assume" because I find it hard to believe you have the patience or dedication to study any religion after you mindlessly condemned a book you've never read). Or mature if you're trying to point to someone else to excuse your behavior. Christians are simply more passive aggressive.
Sh0nin 1 year ago
@hisglorydivine If you haven't read it, then don't give your opinion on it. That's not unreasonable and there's no reason for you to comment on it otherwise. It's like trying to review a movie after you've refused to watch it, it's dumb and misleading. What if someone saw your comment and actually thought you knew what you were talking about? That wouldn't be fair.
A warranted rebuke for your laziness isn't a debate, so don't mistake it for one. Have fun.
Sh0nin 1 year ago
@hisglorydivine You haven't read his book, yet you think you can sit here and tell me why it's arguments are wrong? Do you have any idea how idiotic that is? You're literally trying to explain why something you've never even checked isn't right.
Maybe he HAS proved your LORD is sinful, but you'd never know, because you can't be arsed to even read the book before criticizing it on Youtube! It seems to be I all too clearly had your wretchedly dishonest brand of faith pegged from the start.
Sh0nin 1 year ago
@hisglorydivine Have you actually read the book, or are you just close-minded enough to condemn it's arguments without having even looked at it? I'll bet that like most apologists here it's the second, and what does that say about your faith, that it's too fragile to face it's criticisms head-on, but instead has to cower in a corner with it's back turned to the world? That's pathetic.
Sh0nin 1 year ago
We are on a journey don't look back.
brotherfrank62 1 year ago
So you buy this book so you can understand what scholars have been saying for the past 200 years. Who needs to understand what scholars say. "THEIR EMPLOYERS". I need to understand what Jesus said. Common sense really.
cleanmrbroadway 1 year ago
An excellent scholar whose presentation(s) are accurate and authoritative. I find nothing in his presentations to disagree with. Bart Ehrman gets my vote!
AGNOSSI 1 year ago
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zorin85 1 year ago
God has providentially preserved HIS Word perfect in the Bible, according to HIS promises. It is thus sacred, infallible, and FINAL AUTHORITY. He used HIS servants in HIS times and ways.
Bart's work is N/A.
"All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:" (2Ti 3:16)
Always dump Bible critical information. It's always, as usual, worthless.
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trac4yt 1 year ago
@trac4yt :::My,my, you do have great faith! And seemingly, blind faith. None so blind as he who WILL NOT see. If you want to find out what God said, study His creations, not some book that has been proven faulty.
k0smon 1 year ago
SOLD!
CosmosFan1 1 year ago
Mathew wrote one book and Luke wrote the other book they are different authors and they are not going to write the book the same way.You have two people who see a accident one person has one version and another person gives a different version on what happened there not the same.The apostles were the ones who wrote the bible.
bondsly 1 year ago
@bondsly ".You have two people who see a accident ..."
Correct me if I'm wrong, but neither Mark nor Luke were there when it happened, so neither of them are witnesses. So if they are the authors, why did they write as if they were there? If they weren't the authors, then who was?
ManicEightBall 1 year ago
@ManicEightBall They are meant to be oral traditions eventually written down. Many evangelicists will claim that the gospels are divinely inspired and inerrant, Proffessor Ehrman has done the footwork required to explain to us that these books are man made and subject to the same errors that any man is capable of making. I am an atheist but I do not dismiss the wisdom contained in those books out of hand. Love thy neighbour, Judge not, Turn the other cheek and all the other profundities remain.
jacksawild 1 year ago
This man wasnt there he doesnt know what emotions Jesus was feeling at those times.Trying to know what a person is going through or feeling at any given time is impossibe to know he is really just guessing just like a college professor that thinks he knows everything there is to know.
bondsly 1 year ago
@bondsly Yeah this guy wasn't there, but the accounts we have from the crucifixion don't even agree with each other in some respects. That's worth looking into and not simply blindly accepting whatever parents or religious figures say.
dayati 1 year ago
@dayati Name the accounts that dont even agree with each other in some respects.The bible states clearly that Jesus was crucified and raised himself up from the dead on the 3rd day there is nothing else to put into it.
bondsly 1 year ago
NO CONTRADICTION . . . . Empty claims . . . Bart relies on the ignorance of his audience. He says in the Gospel of Luke, Jesus was not in despair at all on his way to the cross. Did he miss Luke 22:39-46? Jesus is "in agony" (v. 44). He prays "Father if it is your will let this cup pass from me." He says "In control to the very end." Sad that a man can rise so high in academia while displaying such gross and malicious ignorance. These are old arguments long since dealt with & dismissed.
WilliamFrancisWelsh 1 year ago
@WilliamFrancisWelsh Yea... have any of them explained Mark 6:6- 8 and Matthew 10:9- 10???
realtype2009 1 year ago
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windbizkit37 1 year ago
If God does exist and can perform miracles, such as resurrecting Jesus from the dead, then who's to say all the miracles claimed by the other world religions aren't fact?
If God can raise Jesus from the dead, then why not Elvis? There have been plenty of Elvis sightings, so maybe Elvis was resurrected too?
HuckMeHard 1 year ago
@HuckMeHard That doesn't make sense. There is no historical accuracy involved in Elvis "sightings"...perhaps a solitary person says such a thing...maybe even goes as far as to write it down, then another joins in...but there are no eye-witnesses, no secondary or tertiary accounts, certainly no logical consistency. And I guarantee there are far better explanations than it being Elvis...this is in stark contrast to the Biblical account, the best explanation is that it is accurate.
imanoutkast 1 year ago
As Dr. Craig explains, it's hard to have respect for a "Bible Scholar" who doesn't evaluate the texts with valid criteria, and not to mention, applies the criteria in incorrect ways. watch?v=foY31C6CZ-Q&NR=1
It's amazing how little it takes for people to get all giddy, feel that they NOW have the perfect reasoning to throw God out of their lives, just because of this one man--who in all reality is simply a "pop-Bible scholar" ...
imanoutkast 1 year ago
@imanoutkast
Great ad hominem...
raoskaos 1 year ago
@raoskaos How so? All I see on review is a comment and accusation based on facts, and a comment as to the reality of what's going on. The fact is is that he has the training and SHOULD know better than put this stuff in writing as if it were even close to accurate.
imanoutkast 1 year ago
@imanoutkast
I'm amazed that you don't see why your comment was't an ad hominem. But I'm even more amazed that you think that a person who studied the bible and criticly though about the "case" for jesus should conclude that he rose from the dead.
And recomending a link where Craig is making a intellectual suicide is not also good. He...is....using mathematics in history, that's......ridiculous. Science isn't history. And also I don't even want to comment his 4 "facts".
raoskaos 1 year ago
@raoskaos I was hoping for some substance in your reply, but I find none. A couple things need to be clarified: Critical examination of the Scriptures has been done by many, and they come to the conclusion that the res. is accurate, it's not some sort of wacky minority as many would have us believe. Secondly, PROBABILITY is a branch of math that is very often used in determining the accuracy of historical accounts. Lastly, I think it important you DO comment on his 4 facts, they ARE valid.
imanoutkast 1 year ago
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SoSaCA100 1 year ago 7
@SoSaCA100 you are joking of course? Yeah that's it. Sarcasm. Got it. No one with decent eyesight (at least decent enough to actually read their bible) could take this paper dragon seriously.
WilliamFrancisWelsh 1 year ago
@WilliamFrancisWelsh it's just sarcastic,I couldn't qualify his objections by an answer.
SoSaCA100 1 year ago