Warren asks Obama about moral failure

[JohnTheHater]

Obama is a authority on failure.

[RisingOmega]

@ ecthompson, Because typing is great finger exercise. But if you believe anything Obama has to say then you wouldn't know the truth if it bit you on your scrawny wrinkled ass!

[RisingOmega]

He's posing this question to a Godless, moraless, extreme fascist?? Why bother???

[ecthompson]

A better question to you is - why did you bother type this stuff? It has no hint of truth.

[MILISA99]

Well, what I am seeing is it is difficult to get a straight answer out of Obama. I am not exactly sure what he is saying here. He certainly did not answer the questions he was asked. I am suspicious of people who use so many words to answer what should be a simple question. It's called BS folks and he seems to be full of it. But what do I know, I am just a typical white person.

[ecthompson]

As a typical White person, you know no more nor no less than any other typical American. Obama said exactly what he should have said. The damn thing is complex. Anyone who says that it isn't is a moron.

[MILISA99]

Maybe he should have included lying as one of his moral failures, as when he lied about what he had heard in Jeremiah Wright's church. Obama claims that in 20 yrs. of attending that church, he never heard Wright make one negative comment against the USA or white people. I find that hard to believe. This is why I did not vote for Obama, I think he lied. I would also thank you not to call me a moron.

[consular3]

@ecthompson

wow, that wasn't raciest.

[kallefredrikson]

@MILISA99 quite apart from ect's comment, which i personally think is just as stupid as yours, i find it hard to understand how that isnt a straight answer. here it is, in a diluted form for those whose vocabulary isn't developed enough to get it the first time around: his personal moral failure is that he partied during his teens, the failure of America is it doesn't look after it's poor. The fact that he uses many words to say this is to give nuance to his answer.

[MILISA99]

@kallefredrikson I have a problem with people like you. You criticize me and say that my vacabulary isn't developed. Well Mr. Genius, did you miss school on the day they were teaching punctuation and capitalization in the third grade? "I" should be capitalized. A sentence starts with a capital letter. Go study some grammar. Your post is difficult to read because of the grammatical errors contained within it. Duh!

[kallefredrikson]

@MILISA99 My dear, dear MILISA, I'm sorry to say but you completely missed my the point of my comment. I wasn't criticising your vocabulary as such; it wasn't an ad hominem attack! Rather, i was criticising the way you judged Obama's response based on how wordy it was as opposed to its content. The jibe about your vocabulary came merely from the assumption on my part that the only reason one would have to mistrust a response like that would have to come from not understanding the meaning of

[kallefredrikson]

@MILISA99 the response. What I'm getting at here is that we should judge statements based on their content instead of their presentation, a point which I think you so wonderfully ironically just proved for me by attacking my grammar rather than the actual meaning of my reply to your post. Whilst i agree that grammar can help determine the meaning of a statement, very rarely is capitalisation an issue in that respect. better luck next time...

[Ps2Viper87]

Oh, he did drugs and drank!!!!!! THE MEDIA IGNORED THAT PART!!!!!!!! If it was a Conservative Republican that said they did that in their past then it would be all over the news bashing them till the day they were out of office!!!!!!! But if its Obama then its ok???????? GIVE ME A BREAK!!!!!! He also never answered his question he went into something that had nothing to do with the quesiton!!!!!!!!!!!!

[1angrywhite]

I was a Fatherless youth and I tend to act out violently toward women.

Use your analogy to find out what Obama is really saying.

[gooner13for4]

He never said "act out violently towards women"

I don't know what you are trying to gain by establishing yourself as an unreliable source of info.

Apparently you don't understand analogies. My analogy showed your line of thought that led to your conclusion that he blamed his father for everything and took no responsibility was mistaken, and therefore your argument was wrong. If I applied my analogy to "I was a Fatherless..." it would make no sense. Again, you fail to understand simple logic.

[1angrywhite]

This is the last thing I intend to say to you. Oops. I guess I am not saying anything because words come from a persons lips, I mean a combination of vocal chord vibration, I mean Sorry. Air moving..gg......synaps.....#%&­%^*^*&^*$##

You are a fucking worm.

My last comment was a similar statement to Obama's. Apply your logic to the context of Obama's (since he can do no wrong) and find him guilty of Blame and you of being a pompous 17 year old who will surely have his ass beat again soon. hahhah

[gooner13for4]

"This is the last thing I intend to say to you. Oops. I guess I am not saying anything because words come from a persons lips, I mean a combination of vocal chord vibration, I mean Sorry. Air moving..gg......synaps.....#%& %^*^*&^*$##"

...

What?

[gooner13for4]

Again, the analogy would make no sense because it would result in a fallaciously mistaken assertion. In this case, saying he blames his father for everything is equal to saying the man killed his wife because it was raining outside. They are equally wrong arguments.

And again, please see:

Ad Hominem argument (it is a form of fallacious reasoning, but you wouldn't know that because you do not know very much about logic)

[1angrywhite]

He didn't have to say,"I blame my Father". It was implied. I know it, He knows it, and now You know it!

[1angrywhite]

His greatest moral failure! That was the question.

Do you really believe the greatest moral failure came as his balls were growing hair. Liar! Manipulator! You are a loser.

Can you believe that my greatest moral failure was being selfish, or smoking weed. Bullshit! Bullshit!

You are a teenager...............

[1angrywhite]

Goober: he clearly says he had a rough childhood, his daddy was not around. After establishing victimhood, whatever he says is not his fault. You are an asshole for not being able to see through that. I guess is is an attribute of youth and inexperience.

[gooner13for4]

LOL. you are still talking, even though you were already ostensibly proven wrong.

[1angrywhite]

Looks can be deceiving moron. Yours is an opinion. You lack. You lie about your age. A first sign of a puss. Little wanker. You are unable to respond to any point. You just keep typing, more text, keep on lovin Obama, Keep the hope.

He will be the worst Pres EVER! Keep me in mind. If the opportunity arises you can write me and say I was right. It would be my pleasure to break your fingers. Masterbatory Teen. There must be a dialogue before you can win. A sign of your juvenile arrogance. FU

[gooner13for4]

I made arguments because I took what you said, quoted it, and then quoted Barack Obama responding to the issue you addressed. I actually provided evidence for what I was saying, instead of throwing around baseless assertions like you do. If you had actually responded to the direct quote I posted that ostensibly proved everything you said wrong, we could have had more dialogue.

"You lie about your age. A first sign of a puss. Little wanker... juvenile arrogance"

See: Ad hominem argument

[1angrywhite]

You fail to see my point which is this. If (I) say "You know, I had a hard life. My Parents neglected me. I did not have much structure. Due to those circumstances I made numerous bad choices including drugs and I was a selfish punk."

The ostensible conclusion is that the child is not to blame. The God Damned question was about his moral failure. He blamed others and did not take the rap. that is all I want you to see. Good Day Sir! lol

[gooner13for4]

He spends exactly 3 seconds talking about his father. You misrepresent of Obama's comments by acting like he puts great emphasis on his father. He merely mentions him as a cause, or a factor that led him to make those mistakes.

[gooner13for4]

Actually, the "cause of factor" has absolutely nothing to do with "taking the rap". Taking the rap implies that he admits to and takes personal responsibility for his mistakes, which he does in this quote:

"There were times when I experimented with drugs, I drank, and what I trace this to is a certain selfishness on my part. I was so obsessed with me and the reasons that I might be dissatisfied that I couldn't focus on other people"

[gooner13for4]

Actually, taking the rap has nothing to do with the factors that led you to make certain mistakes. He "owns up" by admitting he made these mistakes because of his own faults:

"There were times when I experimented with drugs, I drank, and what I trace this to is a certain selfishness on my part. I was so obsessed with me and the reasons that I might be dissatisfied that I couldn't focus on other people"

[1angrywhite]

The three seconds he talks about his father are the most important of the video jackazz. The preface for what you misunderstand as ownership. There! The point I have been harping on all along fuck off!

[1angrywhite]

You Lose.

[1angrywhite]

He is not man enough to admit failure.(He's a victim) He chose his friends(victim of them), His Church(missed those days), business partners(victim of them). I hate to bring up the surge of troops(1 bomb away from saying SEE).

Little things where he could concede he refuses(THIS IS HIS GREATEST MORAL FAILURE). He is damaged. His ego and everything he's worked for are riding on every comment, every decision. Failure doesn't fit the criteria of his legacy. Pristine politititian. Enabler!

[gooner13for4]

You failed to respond to my second argument, the one where I effectively said, everything you say is useless, because the causes for his behavior are not related to him "taking the rap" for his actions. Even if he did explicitly blame his dad (which he never did), he takes personal responsibility for his mistakes. (See quote I have cited many times, but you ignore it every time)

[gooner13for4]

"fuck off"- no

Suggesting that 3 seconds of describing the environment of his youth is an attempted excuse for his behavior. That would be like me saying, "It was raining. I went inside and killed my family, and then stuffed them in bags and threw them out." And you responding, "Look! He is not taking responsibility for his actions because the rain led him inside to kill his parents!" That is the exact logic structure of your argument.

[1angrywhite]

You obviously know nothing about manipulation. He does it everytime he speaks. He sets the table for you ignoramuses with his comment about his Deadbeat Father. Why the fuck did he mention his father? The question didn't pertain to his father. You think he just haphazardly mentioned him? NO! You want to believe in this guy. That's your problem. I'm out!

[1angrywhite]

You didn't respond to my first or second comment 5000 words ago when I wanted to talk about the importance of him mentioning his father. So Kiss my ass. You are a moron and you are on the ropes now. that is where I'm leaving you. Moron!

[gooner13for4]

"I was so obsessed with me and the reasons that I might be dissatisfied that I couldn't focus on other people"- him talking about his greatest moral failure

Your whole "father" argument falls through the cracks when you apply its logical structure to something else. Therefore, your argument falls through the cracks as well.

You can call me a loser all you want, but it won't change the fact that everything you say is either factually or logically incorrect.

[1angrywhite]

next

[gooner13for4]

Ignoring direct proof that you are wrong does not make you right.

[beancube2008]

What is a lose and what is a gain? Think outside of the box, and visit more place and people, moral will come with wisdom. Obama, success is other people goal, induction and initive are your success. Peel off the wrapping and un-box the cover, your gifts is beyond any education.

[1angrywhite]

You need ritalin and a grammar workbook, or I need to learn mandarin.

[gooner13for4]

Look, I hate to look like a divisive prick, but if you think profound and thoughtful answers are somehow inferior to simplistic and primitive answers, and you think someone is trying to fool you when they sound smart, then you are just stupid.

[1angrywhite]

C'mon! He is full of it.

We are not all psychologists here, but listen to his careful words. He plays the victim.

How noble of him.

He blames his Father for his drug use before morphing his victimhood into the less disgusting cloak of false servitude.

He is the kind who women won't leave because of his ability to slither back into their lives.

He is a professional liar. Is this what you mean my unprimitive?

He never answered. He never owned the abuse of drugs. He said my Daddy left me.

[gooner13for4]

"There were times when I experimented with drugs, I drank, and what I trace this to is a certain selfishness on my part. I was so obsessed with me and the reasons that I might be dissatisfied that I couldn't focus on other people"

- hen owns his mistakes. And its just "primitive", not "unprimitive". Tthat rather stupid mistake speaks to your cave-man like intellect. You don't support your claims with logic or evidence, which tells me you speak from stupid, yes, "primitive" impulses

[1angrywhite]

He's not that sophisticated but clever & calculating.

Explain where he owns it, all alone like a big boy without dragging anyone else down.

He hasn't owned anything yet.

Well he never heard that(in over a decade), I don't know him that well, or like that, I was 8 yrs old. Never once...I liked him, I trusted him, he was smart, I MADE A MISTAKE. Focus on the subject and not on how you misunderstood my superior wording(spellcheckboy). Have some sense of humor Buddy and read again my last entry

[gooner13for4]

For a direct quote in which Obama owns up to his mistakes, see my last post.

As I waded through the sea of incoherent horse shit which was your last post, I noticed that you again fail to provide support for any of your claims.

If you are going to respond, try to make an actual argument, not just spewing useless and meaningless lines like "clever and calculating", as if that has anything to do with sophistication.

[1angrywhite]

hey numb nuts. you are immature and are incapable of having a two way dialogue. I have children your age and they have no problem responding to another persons comments. You are a fucking idiot.

[gooner13for4]

In other words, you have no response to any of what I just said. Yet again, you utterly fail at making any coherent argument.

[1angrywhite]

You have no response to my first comment which was drawn out by your comment to another person re: "I hate to look like a divisive prick", but you can't help yourself. I'll let you have the last word.

[gooner13for4]

If by divisive prick you mean correct, then thanks. I would rather look like a divisive prick any day over an incoherent moron who just lost an argument to 17 year old... Bahahahahaha!

In response to your 1st and 2nd comments:

"He never answered. He never owned the abuse of drugs"

"Explain where he owns it, all alone like a big boy without dragging anyone else down"

My response is STILL:

See my first response, where provide a direct quote of Obama owning his mistakes.

Face it. You lost.

[ihyuiyiyi]

Obama is full of shi*. I don't think he even was that party animal he keeps on telling people. I agree with ozbooks just give us a straight answer and stop trying to look like a golden boy everytime because not all people are dumb.

[santana0317]

neither of them is saying they are perfect.both Obama's drug abuse, selfishness, and McCain's failed marriage are both moral failuresNot loving "the least of these"I agree,is our greatest moral failure. all we (America) care about is me, me,How can i get rich,fastest.but many of us do not think of the poor,destitute,sick,abused homeless children,children murdered by abortion.Selfishness is a dangerous sin.Have we all been selfish;yes/Will we continue to be selfish; the answer to that is up to us

[ozbooks]

...excuse me, Obama "Sir"...what exactly was your answer to the question?? Besides quoting the bible to Mr. Warren, you need to GROW UP and realize it is NOT a "moral failure" to grow up without a father, nor is it a "moral failure" to be selfish as a teenager. So does this mean you feel you are PERFECT? Think again...Americans see thru this B.S. Give us just ONE straight answer!

[mctalks]

Matthew? That verse has NOTHING to do with Government. It has everything to do with the individual and there's the problem with liberals, they aren't interested in helping the " least of these " from their own pockets, they want " the man ;' to extract the money from everyone else BUT them. In fact, I think that the Democrat consider themselves to be " the least of these " and therefore feel entitled to a hand out from everyone else. Talk about selfish. No wonder Barack is your messiah

[8daystillmonday]

I love that Barack Obama lists as his greatest moral failure the thing that I would consider to be the greatest moral achievement a person could attain: selfishness.

[aprilsilvercreek]

Every single person in this world apart from Jesus Christ himself has been selfish at least once in their lives. So, again, if that is his worst moral failure, then I guess he's as close to perfect as a person could get.

[aprilsilvercreek]

He didn't even really answered the question. So he did drugs. So what. I guess he's perfect and has never had a moral failure.

[mkabbz]

he said his greatest moral failure was his selfishness

[ClassicFIHD]

So nothing has changed there.

[mkabbz]

I love how a majority of the shots taken at Obama are completely ambiguous and out-of-the-blue. 'he's a celebrity, he's selfish, he's arrogant...' blah blah blah. He's running for president and people love him.

[IndependentFeatures]

The question was , what was his greatest moral failure... If you don't consider drug use a moral failure, I don't know what that would be then... I know I have morals, and would never do drugs! And, McCain said his was the failure of his first marriage, so thats like me saying, well, he didn't even answer, so he got divorced. so what. I guess he's perfect and never had any moral failure...

[Beskargam]

Not really, he cheated on his wife and then divorced her to marry a wealthy heiress. That's pretty immoral.