Students for Concealed Carry on Campus - FNC Story

[007Nightfalcon]

One of the biggest misconceptions is that law enforcement and military are excellent marksman, This is sadly false has they only have to qualify once a year, and are most noted for having sub-par accuracy. The reporter lied.

[mistertater]

wow what he says at 1:30.. how manyy people do we see "pulling out their guns"?? CHL holders are trained to know when to or not to use their firearm. And the woman's point at the end was only idealistic and stupid to say the least as if no one else besides college "kids" have no pressure... whereas the man's point was just simply stating facts which actually do make sense. Concealed Carry on Campus FTW!!!!

[wmtipton]

A problem for these antigun nuts is that our MILITARY employs 18 year olds, trains and allows them to USE guns and last I heard they werent shooting each other.

These nuts need to inform OUR government and those of the world that they have been WRONG for all these years, that 18-22 year old kids CANT BE TRUSTED with GUNS !

See how that logic works....

[mark3smle]

i love my police positive revolver

[awsomeshot]

oh well good thing 18/19/20 year old non college students dont have any stress in their lives... or anyone for that matter. I am a college graduate... and I have a very stressful job/situtation and if anything having the means to defend me and mine is one less thing for me to stress about! Yeh midterms are stressful and girls got on my nerves... but If those things stress someone out to the point of homicide suicide then they should be medicated and/or hospitalized lol.

[Conscript88]

let me get this straight... So the one and only place where a ccw holder in university can cave to the pressure of campus life is on campus?

[glenbjack]

Cars kill 64 TIMES MORE THEN GUNS!!!!

>>>> Google "WISQARS Injury Mortality Reports"

PLEASE PASS THIS ON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!­!

We need as many tools as we can get to fight the media's ignorant, misleading and misguided propaganda about firearms, brainwashing society basically.

[tyronebiggins08]

except you would have to be 21 to carry, which by then you would be a junior or senior. So it really isn't a new lifestyle by then and you'd be pretty used to it.

[RustyDaleShackleford]

That woman's a nut. She thinks that because college students aren't living at home, are having relationships, and have stresses in their lives that they shouldn't be allowed to carry on campuses. That's a load. People everywhere and of all ages do those things, and nobody's saying they shouldn't be able to carry--nor should they. Those are weak "arguments". At my college, we get emails every time a student is frequently raped, robbed, beaten, or killed. This is a load.

[jrdalenumber8]

1. In Texas it is legal for a concealed carry permit holder to carry on a campus premesis, but illegal to carry within a campus building.

2. In 2002 two ARMED students at a Virginia Law School stopped an armed shooter, Peter, after he shot 6 and killed 3. They confronted him in a parking lot with their own pistols, no shots were fired. Peter gave up and was arrested.

3. In Texas if any alcohol is on your breath, you loose your license and are arrested for class A misdemenor, period.

[samuraihavok607]

ok 1 where there is a guy with a sniper rifle shooting you are not gonna hit him with a pistol not gonna happen. an i do not agree with students carring guns the fact is yeah they could protect themselves but think about when some kids go get drunk and they get into a fist fight over something dumb and guess what the guy that is getting beat and embarassed pulls the gun and bam it is over to many situations like this happen everyday. if anything they need train police with guns on campus

[Kminuteman24]

State law in utah permits college students to conceal carry on campus, I carry a weapon everyday to class. And out of the thousands of other students that do as well, there has never been a violent crime committed by anyone legally carrying on campus, Utahs higher learning institutions are far less vulnerable by allowing law abiding citizens to protect themselves on campuses.

[slsslc]

@Kminuteman24 one of my teachers here in utah has a gun on her every day. made me feel safer to be inher class.

[Atheistjeremy]

@samuraihavok607 "ok 1 where there is a guy with a sniper rifle shooting you are not gonna hit him with a pistol not gonna happen" Really? How the fuck do you know that? And how well will the sniper do when people are firing back?

[samuraihavok607]

@Atheistjeremy umm kinda common sense a sniper rifle can hit people a half a mile out and even futher if the guy knows what he is doing. and 2nd i really doubt some kids carring hand guns are gonna have the aim to pick off a sniper. as far as people firing back you kinda need to know where he is shooting from to do that.

[emusoda]

@samuraihavok607 that 21 year old "kid" could be highly trained in shooting

[anthonyw713]

violence will occur with or without guns. Violence is a basic human behavior. Weather i strangle you with a belt or stab you with a pen are you gonna ban those next lol. If you beat someone with a shoe are you gonna ban those? get real violence is a part of life get over it. wheather or not it is deadly depends on the home enviormant and the maturity level of the people involved

[ugotpimp]

omg was that the best gun control advocate they could find???? what emotional nonsensical jibberish was that??

"students are away from home taking exams and dating people!?!"

so they should be disarmed and defenseless??

anti-gun = retard, duped, coward, socialist, predator, elitist or tyrant.

[Budman345]

I like how they forgot to mention a professor stopped the shooting with his CCW handgun.

[hewitt718]

hmmmm..let me see..people that do harm in shooting sprees, such as school or church shootings ..usually find places where VICTIMS are unarmed! Case Closed. When was the last time you heard of a police station coming under fire from a shooting spree? or a gun range where ccw holders are practicing?...oh, I remember..NEVER

[askAlanNow]

Only in Texas.

[diggingforgold]

I would actually feel very safe and protected if I knew there were many fellow students that were carrying. And if I were a criminal, I might think twice before I did something knowing the same thing.

If I were to snap and decide one day to mow down as many people as I could, the one area I would go is where I know there will be no guns!

What people don't understand is that criminals will carry no matter what the law says. When you restrict carrying, only the law abiding people will obey it!

[sniper6081]

None of those stupid anti-gun people have any proof for their concerns. NONE!

[jimitl5]

"None of those stupid anti-gun people have any proof for their concerns. NONE! "

Vermont (oddly enough) does not have a concealed carry law so anyone who does not have a criminal record can carry a legal handgun. They have the lowest death rate due to crime with a deadly weapon of any state other then North Dakota.

[sniper6081]

That doesn't mean anything. It just means that Vermont has a lot of very nice people. However, places like D.C. and New York who also don't allow concealed carry have the highest murder rates with weapons in the country. Besides, do you really think that the people committing the crimes are committing them with guns they acquired legally?

[redefiningcool]

EXACTLY, sniper!

[CrippledPidgeon]

Yea, but also consider that neither Vermont nor North Dakota have large populations.

The CITY (not the metropolitan district) of Los Angeles has three times the number of people of both states combined. Or over SIX TIMES the population of each state. And those people are packed into only 469 square miles. That gives LA a population density 120 times greater than Vermont, and 847 TIMES greater than North Dakota.

Despite that, it's nearly impossible to get a CCW in LA (or in most of CA)

[ClassicFIHD]

I just thought of something. When did a cop ever shoot a gun at a mass shooting and stop it? I don't think a cop was ever the reason a mass school shooting ended.

There was the off duty cop at the Trolley Square Mall in Salt Lake that shot at a shooter that killed 5. But since he was off duty he broke the law(mall rule) by carrying a gun in a gun free mall.

[IsntItWeThePeople]

Cho was an idiot. If he had been properly trained and properly armed he could have killed HUNDREDS. Ever been to a VT football game? What if he just sat a few hundred meters from where people stand in line to get in and shot at the crowd as fast as he could pull the trigger?

The fact is that the idea of a "Gun Free Zone" is as much a joke as a "Drug Free Zone."

[cramsa]

These politicians need to stop the bull sh!t, let us lawful permit holders be able defend ourself on campuses... just like we have a legal right to do the same outside of campus.

These "gun free zones" are a criminals best friend... where even retired and off duty cops are DENIED from being armed, even though there are NO METAL DETECTORS, or armed security to provide ANY REAL safty measures. Thus these "gun free zones" like at VT, are nothing more than a paper shield that offer NO PROTECTION!

[jimitl5]

"These "gun free zones" are a criminals best friend... where even retired and off duty cops are DENIED from being armed, even "

Gun free zones means nothing to the criminal, they carry regardless and they are well aware of it. It makes everyone else a sitting duck. I don't like being a sitting duck. If you think the police will be there in time to save you...think again, what killer is going to attack with police around.

[SHOCKERMANG]

I love how all of the counterpoints to allowed concealed carry have no foundation.

Do signs saying No Guns make shooters stop? No.

Do metal detectors work? You will hear a beep before you die.

Do better trained police/security help? If you can dodge bullets long enough for them to arrive.

Are students any more irrational or unpredictable, or stressed out than anybody else?

[SHOCKERMANG]

Do old adults not go through relationship problems?

Does being away from home and away from adult supervision mean that these students, while adults, should not carry? My dad still does well for himself, and he had been away from home for decades.

Wasn't that tower shooting slowed down by local citizens who had rifles able to suppress the shooter long enough for the authorities to do their job?

[SHOCKERMANG]

Gun control supporters rely almost entirely on a gut reaction, that guns are bad. It is hard to argue with the statistics, so they ignore them.

"Hey, these numbers do not mean anything because I do not understand, and therefore am afraid of guns." That is all I hear when they speak.

[jebustheone]

A handgun is a compromise between efficiency and size. I find it hard to believe that a guy with a (generic) hanging could use his gun to defend against a mini-14 or Remington 700 on top of a tower.I think that having gns in schools is a touchy subject: I don't think groups of emotional teenagers and school groups should have guns in a school enviroment. Thats just asking for it. I'm not even sure if having teachers armed is going to be effective, the shooter will just shoot them first. I <3 CCW

[redefiningcool]

the shooter won't know who's armed. and you wont have "groups of emotional teenagers" carrying. it will only by 21+ responsible adults with concealed-carry permits, youre talking about a very small minority, but youre also talking about a much better chance that psychos like Cho at VA tech couldve been stopped.

[jimitl5]

"it will only by 21+ responsible adults with concealed-carry permits,"

Good point..and in background checks there are two things which always automatically disqualify people for a permit, alcohol violations and domestic violence.

[MIT1369]

The "Texas Tower" case has no relevance here. The shooter wasn't a lawful holder of a concealed carry permit. The fact that "gun free zones" make risk free killing fields for murderers seems to totally escape these people. "Arms discourage and keep the invader and plunderer in awe, and preserve order in the world as well as property . . . Horrid mischief would ensue were the law-abiding deprived of the use of them." - Thomas Paine, Thoughts on Defensive War (1775).

[yngwiestrat11]

Alternatively, we could make gun control laws better to prevent the shooter from getting a gun in the first place. As a Virginia Tech student, I am disgusted by your point of view. The last thing this incident should cause is more guns on college campuses.

Quotes from 1775 won't win this argument

[MIT1369]

You do know that the only reason cho passed his background check is because of the privacy laws put in place to keep anyone from finding out about someones mental health don't you? Guess who put those laws there. The same people who think that laws actually stop criminals. For a VT student you don't seem to grasp the reality of life yet. But the floor is yours. What "Improved" Gun Law would stop a person intending on killing someone? Unless you wish to disarm everyone. Then it'd be VT ALL OVER!

[MIT1369]

But do go ahead and disregard the fact that if at least ONE of the victims of that murdering lunatic had been armed that they could possibly have stopped him sooner. That is BEFORE he ran low on ammo and offed hisself.

[MIT1369]

As for my point of view disgusting you, That's just something you have to get used to. Personally, I'm disgusted by those who have no regard for the Constitution and the rights guaranteed to the people by the Bill of Rights. But I served this country and defended their rights even when they wanted to tear mine from me.

[yngwiestrat11]

You're right that if one student in Norris Hall had a weapon that less death would have occurred. However openly allowing college students to carry weapons on campus is asking for disaster. The students I witness around me can be the most irresponsible bunch of people you can imagine. Combine this with misuse of drugs and alcohol and you would have 100x more deaths on college campuses from gun violence each year.

[MIT1369]

Why do you think there would be "disaster"? Have you noticed that mass killings all seem to happen in "Gun Free Zones"? Why do you suppose that is? Do a search for Kessesaw, GA. where they passed a law "Requiring" gun ownership by every head of household. There are no massive gunfights in the streets like the antigun folks predicted. Crime also dropped. Also, if people are irresponsible it's unlikely that they would go through the process to get a CCP or pass it if they did.

[Legen8]

well you might have a point on the irresponsible students around you but if theyconsume a good amount of alcohol and drugs then chances are that they at lest have a misdemeanor on their police recored and that will exclude them from passing the CCW background check, and the last time i checked you had to have a really clean background b4 they would even consider handing you a permit,

so once again dont say that guns on campus will be more trouble, fact is that a criminal or lunatic will not care

[MIT1369]

No lawful gun owner should be denied their right to defend themselves or their families.

[nehpets99]

You're in a different lifestyle? If the traditional student goes to college at 18 and becomes eligible for a license at 21, how is your junior/senior year a different lifestyle...?

[nehpets99]

Or better yet, what about the 40 y/o that is getting their masters or a 2nd bachelors or a PhD? What about the 30 year-olds? If you've been around firearms for longer than the average college student has been alive, why are you STILL not trusted on campus?

[notso1973]

All of the issues that the lady brought up are everyday life regardless of age. Deadlines, pressures, responsibilities, relationship problems - CCW holders deal with that stuff everyday and don't go crazy. What a bunch of BS....

[tiger3943]

absolutely. everything she said was completely wrong. we concealed carry license holders are the most law-abiding group of people in the nation, and we should be trusted on campus as well. my head almost explodes every time some gun control numbnut comes up with bullshit theoretical scenarios about conceal carry on campus, like this lady just did.

[amanfromaplace]

CCW licenses volunteer personal information for public record. They do in my state at least. Criminals don't make themselves that vulnerable. They hide. The people we want to disarm don't have carry permits. They don't carry legally. They just carry. Even if they could qualify for a permit, they wouldn't pay the hundreds of dollars and go through the 3 month process. Why would they?

[peacepleasetoday]

If we are all disarmed, only the criminals will have weapons.

Michael Guzman is right!