@ZooVisitorMM I know. They lived terrible lives, being shipped from one place to another, being abused at amusement companies, and they never really had a home for that long.
@awesomeH2O That's why I wish they could have stayed at the Philadelphia Zoo for the rest of their lives. I am sure they are getting good care at the ICC, but that can't really be a permanent home for them, either, since it is a breeding center.
They seemed to be doing very well while living in the Philadelphia Zoo. And the Zoo could have expanded or improved their exhibit area, or even eventually moved them to the South end of the Zoo.
@ZooVisitorMM I completely agree with you that the ICC is no permanent home for the elephants, and since they are not going to breed (and I approve of the decision to not breed them), the ICC will probably want to use the space for younger female African elephants that are ready for breeding. Since the Zoo sent its elephants away because of the lack of sufficient space and not enough money to build a new exhibit, I'm not sure that the Zoo can bring them back. I wonder where they can go.
@awesomeH2O I want the Zoo to put the same amount of money, time and effort it put into setting up the LEGO Creatures of Habitat exhibits into finding a way to create a new elephant exhibit. In the meantime, I want Bette and Kallie brought back to the Zoo. They were doing very well there.
@ZooVisitorMM I think it is great to have LEGO creatures at the Zoo, but it is for real animals. Even if I am opposed to zoos, I guess it is strange that the Zoo is showing LEGO animals instead of real ones.
@awesomeH2O As I keep saying, I wouldn't mind quite as much if the LEGO creatures did not take up any exhibit space, and if the Zoo did not try to draw so much attention to them.
But I still would prefer that they weren't in the Zoo at all so visitors would spend their entire time thinking about the living animals they have such a wonderful opportunity to observe.
@awesomeH2O I disagree with Spiritedlulu. In a sanctuary, they are still in captivity. But visitors don't have the opportunity to be in awe of them and be inspired to protect wildlife.
Also, I don't agree with the hands-off approach most sanctuaries have, either. I think human-animal bonds are wonderful and should be encouraged. And most zoos provide that opportunity for keepers and even visitors.
@ZooVisitorMM The Elephant Sanctuary uses a passive-control contact method. The elephants are never chained or penned up, and the caregivers do not use bullhooks, which were used by the Philadelphia Zoo keepers. The elephants do not have to do anything they don't want to, like performing in front of people or going inside of the barn. The caregivers do not dominate the elephants or train them through fear, and so the results are very positive.
@awesomeH2O I also think it is good to provide animals in captivity with experiences they would not have in the wild. It is amazing to see how much animals can learn, and things they can do if given an opportunity to learn in an environment that does not include dangers, diseases, etc. and therefore is conducive to learning.
I do think it's sad that Petal and Dulary were taken from their mothers and relatives when they were just babies...
awesomeH2O 1 year ago
Do you think Bette and Kallie ever forgot their mothers and other family members?
awesomeH2O 1 year ago
@awesomeH2O How could I possibly know that? My guess is that they haven't forgotten, though.
Please remember that unlike Dulary and Petal, Bette and Kallie did not live almost their entire lives in the Philadelphia Zoo.
ZooVisitorMM 1 year ago
@ZooVisitorMM I know. They lived terrible lives, being shipped from one place to another, being abused at amusement companies, and they never really had a home for that long.
awesomeH2O 1 year ago
@awesomeH2O That's why I wish they could have stayed at the Philadelphia Zoo for the rest of their lives. I am sure they are getting good care at the ICC, but that can't really be a permanent home for them, either, since it is a breeding center.
They seemed to be doing very well while living in the Philadelphia Zoo. And the Zoo could have expanded or improved their exhibit area, or even eventually moved them to the South end of the Zoo.
I hope the Zoo will bring them back.
ZooVisitorMM 1 year ago
@ZooVisitorMM I completely agree with you that the ICC is no permanent home for the elephants, and since they are not going to breed (and I approve of the decision to not breed them), the ICC will probably want to use the space for younger female African elephants that are ready for breeding. Since the Zoo sent its elephants away because of the lack of sufficient space and not enough money to build a new exhibit, I'm not sure that the Zoo can bring them back. I wonder where they can go.
awesomeH2O 1 year ago
@awesomeH2O I want the Zoo to put the same amount of money, time and effort it put into setting up the LEGO Creatures of Habitat exhibits into finding a way to create a new elephant exhibit. In the meantime, I want Bette and Kallie brought back to the Zoo. They were doing very well there.
Of course, it doesn't really matter what I want.
ZooVisitorMM 1 year ago
@ZooVisitorMM I think it is great to have LEGO creatures at the Zoo, but it is for real animals. Even if I am opposed to zoos, I guess it is strange that the Zoo is showing LEGO animals instead of real ones.
awesomeH2O 1 year ago
@awesomeH2O As I keep saying, I wouldn't mind quite as much if the LEGO creatures did not take up any exhibit space, and if the Zoo did not try to draw so much attention to them.
But I still would prefer that they weren't in the Zoo at all so visitors would spend their entire time thinking about the living animals they have such a wonderful opportunity to observe.
ZooVisitorMM 1 year ago
They don't belong in the zoo. Since they can't be wild, they shoud be retired to sanctuary.
Spiritedlulu 2 years ago
@Spiritedlulu I agree.
awesomeH2O 1 year ago
@awesomeH2O I disagree with Spiritedlulu. In a sanctuary, they are still in captivity. But visitors don't have the opportunity to be in awe of them and be inspired to protect wildlife.
Also, I don't agree with the hands-off approach most sanctuaries have, either. I think human-animal bonds are wonderful and should be encouraged. And most zoos provide that opportunity for keepers and even visitors.
ZooVisitorMM 1 year ago
@ZooVisitorMM The Elephant Sanctuary uses a passive-control contact method. The elephants are never chained or penned up, and the caregivers do not use bullhooks, which were used by the Philadelphia Zoo keepers. The elephants do not have to do anything they don't want to, like performing in front of people or going inside of the barn. The caregivers do not dominate the elephants or train them through fear, and so the results are very positive.
awesomeH2O 1 year ago
@awesomeH2O I also think it is good to provide animals in captivity with experiences they would not have in the wild. It is amazing to see how much animals can learn, and things they can do if given an opportunity to learn in an environment that does not include dangers, diseases, etc. and therefore is conducive to learning.
ZooVisitorMM 1 year ago
Greatest animals ever. Great video!
MatthewCClark 2 years ago
Yes, I agree. (And I wish they would stay right where they are until a new exhibit it built for them.)
ZooVisitorMM 2 years ago