what exactly is this dude trying to prove with this video? They show two different forms that have some resemblance. In other words; it's not the same. So saying wing=weng is proven false by this very video.
Next to that, Sergio is a scam and Hoffmann kicked him out of his training group because of his arrogance. And still Sergio wants to gain his right, which of course he couldn't get.
Is he really saying that fuk sau is not used in application? if so sifu sergio is an even bigger muppet then I first thought. (I have no sound on work computer so dont yet know what he is saying)
don't listen to that idiot, whatever his unworthy name that isn't worth remembering is, a word juggler, who cannot fight, a pimp of Wing Chun and fucking tour guide he is, no more.
fuk sau only for chi sau or training forearm?
Jerking off also trains forearm nicely!
I'll show you what fok sau is for, if he only had the balls to face me.
I had some respect for him as an unbiased researcher of W.C. until I saw this. My respect went way down. Weng chun guys look more like soft Hung Ga in some of their forms. If they claim that they are closer to white crane origins then why dont they just play white crane forms. The old Fukien crane forms dont even look like this. Less is more!!
sorry gotta disagree with s-sergio on this one. just because Ip man may have been friends with the people at dai duk lan dosnt mean anything. your not guilty by association. it doesnt mean they taught him. its almost like when bruce got famouse then all of a sudden others said I taught him this or that. If Ip man learned Biu jee from them, then why is it different from them in the motions. Also their motions are exagerated leaning forwards/backwards. even the old white crane forms dont do this.
One Family!! alles eine Familie. Wing, Weng ........usw.
Aber die meisten Schulen wollen es nicht einsehen verkürztes Spar chingchun zu machen:-)) zum glück gibt es leute wie aufm Video. Alles ein Stil wie beim Hunggar auch verschiedene Familien Stile.
@Alex04HeadHunter actually both weng chun and wing chun can be traced back to the red boats.weng chun traces their lineage back to fung siu ching who learned from the red boat opera troop.wing chun traces it back to leung jan who learned from the red boat opera troop.leung jan and fung siu ching where sort off clasmates.the main difference is that fung siu ching taught san sik or seperate forms to his students
@Alex04HeadHunter leung jan taught the archival method siu lim tao chum kiu biu tze dummy etc. the weng chun curriculem as it exists today was put together by grandstudents of fung siu ching in the 1950s.if you dont believe me you can look it up
Iadarola thinks yip man didn't know the "real" wing chun? Actually Iadarola didn't leanr it because Leung Ting doesn't know the "real" wing chun HAHAHA
It is only false ego and arrogance that says "If I cannot do it, no one can".
So these guys don't know what Fok Sau is for.
That does not mean other Wing Chun schools feel the same way. The Fok Sau is not only useful defensively and offensively, but it can kill as well as save your life.
Best to be humble and remember, there's always a taller mountain.
As such cousins have a lot in common, as well as some differences.
And cousins, should have some affection for each other. Far too often Wing/Weng Chun men have courtesy for other styles but only mistrust and unfriendliness towards other men of the same style as them, due to marketing competition only.
The only thing that is offensive is the claim that "fok sau is useless" "only for training". Just because you do not know, does not mean it has no use.
isnt this fung siu ching lineage?he learned from the guys from the red boat right?yip man is leung jan lineage and he also learned from the redboat.theres no more difference between them then there is a difference between cheng kwong and tang chun pack,right?
or mayby wai yan you get my point.you guys make it sound like you are more original but wing chun isnt two many generations apart from you guys when you trace it back to the red boat and frankly yuen kay shan is also fung siu ching lineage and his system is of the same make up as yip mans system with a sil lum tao form a chum kiu form etc
And I see you are sporting the Leung Ting Ving Tsun pants, which is all the more funny because like teacher like student, and Leung Ting is in his own words "a businessman" rather than a martial artist or fight, and hence cheater no. 1.
Don't know what is fok sao? Don't know how to use hu sao properly?
..than the cantonese pronunciation of the word m永 meaning eternal, as opposed to 詠 (wing) also cantonese pronunciation meaning to sing, recite, intone, etc , often used instead of the original 詠 when used in conjunction with 春or spring, means the Song of Spring, birds flowers bees etc, ie emphasizing it's a "pretty" & technical kung fu as opposed to the many other hard styles of the time.
To claim you alone have the 1 true original kung fu, is nothing more than a marketing claim.
Exactly. He doesn't know what 扶手 (Fok Sau) is for, and his ego asserts that Yip Man did not know what it's for, nor taught it? How does he know? Was he there?
It's obvious that this Weng Chung may share a common ancestry with Wing Chun, as it's clear the exaggerated and rocking motions are from Shaolin, as is Wing Chun, but it is sheer hubris to assert that this Weng Chun is the "real" Wing Chun. I for one would challenge that claim any day with my fists. This so called Weng is nothing more
a lot of martial arts use similar techniques, and those are both chinese and were definitely not invented out of nothing by some lonely guy in total isolation, but by a process of mixing, matching, adapting and extending older forms than span over generations of practitioners.
you also claim hsing i stole pushing hands from weng chung, or was it the other way round?
Nice comparision. I think it makes sence that Yip Man line is Biu Tze focused, and has the torso movements only in partner sets while the Weng Chen, being from an older root, has more torso movement in the form, bending of the spine (rounding), and a broader (less specialized) movement pattern.
sourcexc, its not wrong or right, just showing differences and roots. The things that may seem deprived in SLT Ip Man lineage are covered in chum kiu and bil jee along with other basic drills. Everything is still in the first form regardless. The older form includes it. Remember Ip Man DID alter wing chun, he applied his school studies of which included engineering to his art. In application both forms of WC result in similar appearance and quality application.
Interesting! Bravo Iadarola.
LeungJan2008 3 months ago
what exactly is this dude trying to prove with this video? They show two different forms that have some resemblance. In other words; it's not the same. So saying wing=weng is proven false by this very video.
Next to that, Sergio is a scam and Hoffmann kicked him out of his training group because of his arrogance. And still Sergio wants to gain his right, which of course he couldn't get.
paddotk 1 year ago
Is he really saying that fuk sau is not used in application? if so sifu sergio is an even bigger muppet then I first thought. (I have no sound on work computer so dont yet know what he is saying)
Donkyfishy 1 year ago
don't listen to that idiot, whatever his unworthy name that isn't worth remembering is, a word juggler, who cannot fight, a pimp of Wing Chun and fucking tour guide he is, no more.
fuk sau only for chi sau or training forearm?
Jerking off also trains forearm nicely!
I'll show you what fok sau is for, if he only had the balls to face me.
bhibatsu 1 year ago 3
I had some respect for him as an unbiased researcher of W.C. until I saw this. My respect went way down. Weng chun guys look more like soft Hung Ga in some of their forms. If they claim that they are closer to white crane origins then why dont they just play white crane forms. The old Fukien crane forms dont even look like this. Less is more!!
sihingmark 1 year ago
sorry gotta disagree with s-sergio on this one. just because Ip man may have been friends with the people at dai duk lan dosnt mean anything. your not guilty by association. it doesnt mean they taught him. its almost like when bruce got famouse then all of a sudden others said I taught him this or that. If Ip man learned Biu jee from them, then why is it different from them in the motions. Also their motions are exagerated leaning forwards/backwards. even the old white crane forms dont do this.
sihingmark 1 year ago
One Family!! alles eine Familie. Wing, Weng ........usw.
Aber die meisten Schulen wollen es nicht einsehen verkürztes Spar chingchun zu machen:-)) zum glück gibt es leute wie aufm Video. Alles ein Stil wie beim Hunggar auch verschiedene Familien Stile.
All styles are One Family ;-))
CAPmusicONE 1 year ago
oh no shit..
ALL ARE THE SAME, BUT JUST DIFFERENT BRANCHES AND STYLES.
dumb shit..
tonnyrocks123 1 year ago
all wing,ving, weng ...... are one family. different family styles.
SouthShaolinKungfu 1 year ago
TOTAL BULLSHIT!
Wing Chun and Weng Chun are absolutely NOT the same!
Weng Chun is the shaolin temple martial art, Wing Chun is simplified weng chun to train people in a more quicker way!!
Wing Chun requires less condition, it's attack is most of the times the chainpunches.
Weng Chun uses a lot of different attacks besides chain punches.
They are in a couple of ways similar, however it's certainly NOT the same thing.
Alex04HeadHunter 2 years ago
@Alex04HeadHunter actually both weng chun and wing chun can be traced back to the red boats.weng chun traces their lineage back to fung siu ching who learned from the red boat opera troop.wing chun traces it back to leung jan who learned from the red boat opera troop.leung jan and fung siu ching where sort off clasmates.the main difference is that fung siu ching taught san sik or seperate forms to his students
henkbana 2 years ago
@Alex04HeadHunter leung jan taught the archival method siu lim tao chum kiu biu tze dummy etc. the weng chun curriculem as it exists today was put together by grandstudents of fung siu ching in the 1950s.if you dont believe me you can look it up
henkbana 2 years ago
@Alex04HeadHunter you're an idiot.
synkronyk 1 year ago
@synkronyk fuck you
Alex04HeadHunter 1 year ago
@Alex04HeadHunter lulz.
It's only simplified if you consider that the useful things remain in VT, and the confused, unnecessary movement is removed.
synkronyk 1 year ago
Wing chun looks so much more stiff than the weng chun. For me it looks like Weng chun is lesser stiff and you can use your whole body more
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paddotk 2 years ago
Iadarola thinks yip man didn't know the "real" wing chun? Actually Iadarola didn't leanr it because Leung Ting doesn't know the "real" wing chun HAHAHA
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smkonwater23 2 years ago
It is only false ego and arrogance that says "If I cannot do it, no one can".
So these guys don't know what Fok Sau is for.
That does not mean other Wing Chun schools feel the same way. The Fok Sau is not only useful defensively and offensively, but it can kill as well as save your life.
Best to be humble and remember, there's always a taller mountain.
bhibatsu 2 years ago
Like I said, the styles are cousins.
As such cousins have a lot in common, as well as some differences.
And cousins, should have some affection for each other. Far too often Wing/Weng Chun men have courtesy for other styles but only mistrust and unfriendliness towards other men of the same style as them, due to marketing competition only.
The only thing that is offensive is the claim that "fok sau is useless" "only for training". Just because you do not know, does not mean it has no use.
bhibatsu 2 years ago
I agree, fuk sau is used more than anything you just need to be aware of it.
For example when you´re trapping and you´re holding one your oponers arm down against his body. Isn´t it fuk sao? Nothing in wing chun is useless.
G6600 2 years ago
isnt this fung siu ching lineage?he learned from the guys from the red boat right?yip man is leung jan lineage and he also learned from the redboat.theres no more difference between them then there is a difference between cheng kwong and tang chun pack,right?
erolvdsteeg88 2 years ago
or mayby wai yan you get my point.you guys make it sound like you are more original but wing chun isnt two many generations apart from you guys when you trace it back to the red boat and frankly yuen kay shan is also fung siu ching lineage and his system is of the same make up as yip mans system with a sil lum tao form a chum kiu form etc
erolvdsteeg88 2 years ago
And I see you are sporting the Leung Ting Ving Tsun pants, which is all the more funny because like teacher like student, and Leung Ting is in his own words "a businessman" rather than a martial artist or fight, and hence cheater no. 1.
Don't know what is fok sao? Don't know how to use hu sao properly?
I'll be happy to show you.
bhibatsu 2 years ago
..than the cantonese pronunciation of the word m永 meaning eternal, as opposed to 詠 (wing) also cantonese pronunciation meaning to sing, recite, intone, etc , often used instead of the original 詠 when used in conjunction with 春or spring, means the Song of Spring, birds flowers bees etc, ie emphasizing it's a "pretty" & technical kung fu as opposed to the many other hard styles of the time.
To claim you alone have the 1 true original kung fu, is nothing more than a marketing claim.
bhibatsu 2 years ago
Exactly. He doesn't know what 扶手 (Fok Sau) is for, and his ego asserts that Yip Man did not know what it's for, nor taught it? How does he know? Was he there?
It's obvious that this Weng Chung may share a common ancestry with Wing Chun, as it's clear the exaggerated and rocking motions are from Shaolin, as is Wing Chun, but it is sheer hubris to assert that this Weng Chun is the "real" Wing Chun. I for one would challenge that claim any day with my fists. This so called Weng is nothing more
bhibatsu 2 years ago
please read my above comment
erolvdsteeg88 2 years ago
LOL, you don't know what Fook Sau is for, and you assert that GM Yip Man couldn't explain it. That's funny.
kiddl3 2 years ago
wing weng, its all from littlle grasshopper kwai chang caine
YipManneke 2 years ago
whahahahahahahahaha this is not the same at all
spacerr 2 years ago
Iadarola is a Joke.The Stupiest Guy I ever seen!!
Jebem ti mater u pitcku, seronja!!!
Jednog dana cu ti skinud glavu, pedercina.
BadBlueBoysRK 2 years ago
that is SO bs!
a lot of martial arts use similar techniques, and those are both chinese and were definitely not invented out of nothing by some lonely guy in total isolation, but by a process of mixing, matching, adapting and extending older forms than span over generations of practitioners.
you also claim hsing i stole pushing hands from weng chung, or was it the other way round?
0ffh 2 years ago
what on god sakes is that
yipman30 2 years ago
Iadarola is Simply a buffoon
gemsmider 3 years ago 10
cool ?
masterjuans 4 years ago
i dont get it. how can weng chun be so much more original. wasnt it developed in the 1950s?
om2ere2rol 4 years ago
na man it was over a lot of years ago
masterjuans 4 years ago
Interesting. I would a love a copy of this whole seminar. Nice to see people breaking down the origins of these arts without politics.
Reflecter 4 years ago
hi you have more videos of this seiminar??
can you post here?
thanks!
elissonferraz 4 years ago
Nice comparision. I think it makes sence that Yip Man line is Biu Tze focused, and has the torso movements only in partner sets while the Weng Chen, being from an older root, has more torso movement in the form, bending of the spine (rounding), and a broader (less specialized) movement pattern.
DrTzeus 4 years ago
What are they doing? Something like presuaders, wrong and right way...
They have forgotten that person is important not style...
sourcexc 4 years ago
sourcexc, its not wrong or right, just showing differences and roots. The things that may seem deprived in SLT Ip Man lineage are covered in chum kiu and bil jee along with other basic drills. Everything is still in the first form regardless. The older form includes it. Remember Ip Man DID alter wing chun, he applied his school studies of which included engineering to his art. In application both forms of WC result in similar appearance and quality application.
guitarninja83 3 years ago
What is this about? Fight for market share? LOL!
mofotox 4 years ago
great!
paolowt 4 years ago