All three jumpers in this video are Great Big Gaping Assholes and should be banned from the sport. First the Tandem Master is an asshole for putting his passenger in harms way by jumping with two, obviously incompetent and inexperienced skydivers. All it takes is one moron to become entangled with the drogue on the tandem and its all over for 3 people, especially in this case where the idiot can’t even maintain altitude awareness. Pull the tandem masters license permanently.
First of all, what dropzone is letting "low experience" jumpers jump with tandems???? There should never be one, let alone two of them jumping with a tandem pair.
Second of all, by the looks of the video, these jumpers are fairly aware of their altitudes. In fact, whoever made this video is referencing their altimeters! This seems to me to be more of a low-pull contest or intentional low-pull (which are both still pretty stupid).
Third of all.... dude, use some freaking spell check.
He checked his altimeter at 0:58 then the video was edited after that point so it is not clear how much time had elapsed before the text "have you checked your own altimeter yet... NO" statement pops up. Why is this?
Who let these two obviously low experienced jumpers go out with the Tandem. This is just a bad idea. I have lost way too many friends in this sport. None of those died doing something as stupid as this dive. These two need to be banned from jumping and sent back to school.
@Superbruv07 If you were in 2 out bi-plane scenario, is it safe to turn into the wind for landing??? Or do you keep the parachute in a straight stable direction??? Thanks and stuff
@rrr1sportrider turn as little as possible. there is a danger of the biplane turning into a downplane too low to cut away if you oversteer. land downwind if need be.
@ItalianPolishGuy It stands for a Parachute Landing Fall. It consits of a 5-contact landing. To perform a PLF, the skydiver should place their feet together, bend their knees slightly, and roll over to one side upon touching the ground. (Ankle, Leg, Thigh, Hip, Shoulder). This will move the weight of the fall over most the skydiver's body.
having to cut away at 400 feet would scare the hell out of me, but at least there's an open canopy at all times. a hard landing with a PLF under a reserve is much better than landing a downplane (which may be the last thing you ever do). expensive lesson, anyway!!
I had a biplane on my 25th jump. It was cause the rsl on the student rig i was using got caught on the risers when the main deployed. It was a pretty scary situation.
Despite being incredibly scary in and of itself, that downplane close to the ground was TERRIFYING. I only pray I have the clearheadedness to cut away the main in that situation as quickly as possible. It really eats up the air.
For those of you that say "but base-jumpers deploy way lower than this, whats the prob?). A skydiver rig is more likely to fail than a base rig, so you need the extra time in case you need the reserve.
You can't kill someone who is already dead.. A Reserve deploying into a Main can collapse both chutes. It's a roll of the dice, w/no control by the jumper. Very foolish way to risk One's life. BTW, my manual states not to unstow either brakes in a stable Bi-plane. Rear-riser turns, no flare, then PLF. I was kicking myself for popping @2500 last weekend (alti malfunction). These guys make me look good!!
The manual my DZ gives to the AFF students. Compiled by standard manuals, plus two senior jump masters w/about 30 years of jumping experience, each. Hopefully, I'll never be in the position. Not un-stowing either toggles seems to make sense to me. Anything that could pull the two chutes apart, could create a down-plane.
@NYCEmpire The possible separation that I was talking about is when you unstow the toggles of one canopy it is no longer in a braked position. That can create a situation of possibly downplaning the two canopies because of one being in full flight and the other being in a braked position. Is it a guarantee that this will happen. Not at all. But by unstowing the brakes on one canopy you are increasing the chances of it happening. Sorry for the delay been away judging Nationals.
The worst accident I've heard of involving a camera flyer was a guy down in Florida around 1990 who completely forgot to put his rig on. Can't believe the other jumpers didn't say "hey dude" when he was getting on board the plane.
@tuttt99 Not True, No Excuses for their behavior but most accidents are caused from low turns. ADDs have helped with loss of altitude awareness. Two out simply means that the skydivers deployed, but too late. a simple ADD fire would result in one out and problay a hurt ego.
was there any particular reason for the low pulls? Or just an accident? I went real low one time on accident. One of the only times I was thankful not to have an aad because I probably would have had 2 out as well.
Liked it in it's training opportunity. A lot can be learned from this... everything from the importance of altitude awareness to a visual reference to what should be done in a 2 out situation. It's covered during training, but it's difficult to give a visual reference to someone who has never seen it or (more importantly) felt and experienced it. Definately glad that it was at least on video. I plan to pass it on to as many people as I can. Thanks for posting this.
Liked it in it's training opportunity. A lot can be learned from this... everything from the importance of altitude awareness to a visual reference to what should be done in a 2 out situation. It's covered during training, but it's difficult to give a visual reference to someone who has never seen it or (more importantly) felt and experienced it. Definately glad that it was at least on video. I plan to pass it on to as many people as I can.
To have this happen to 2 people on the same jump is retarded (and something similar happened at our DZ once). 2 people = twice as many altimeters and twice the retardation.
Don't get me wrong, I had a few sub 1500 foot deployments in my time, but this was before Cypreses existed and I knew I was going to hum it from the get go.
You have to be a fricken idiot to let this happen to you with all the whiz bang beeper shit people carry these days.
@LCPStud First you must be as much a "Dipshit" as those in the video being you too have done this " I had a few sub 1500 foot deployments in my time" the opening sequence according to the video is 1500 ft.. Second you too must be a " fricken idiot to let this happen to you ' for the same reason as stated above. Third You sound like an overinflated self proclaimed sky god. Give another skydiving brother a little respect, eh.
At least I don't have "skydiver" in my fucking YouTube name. What a fucking jerk, I bet you probably go to bars after jumping with your altimeter still on your wrist... "What? Oh gosh, silly me, I must have left my SKYDIVING altimeter on! Did you hear, I said 'SKYDIVING!!' "
Anyway, there is a big diff between humming it on purpose WITHOUT a Cypres in your rig and losing altitude awareness and humming it WITH a Cypres in there.
@LCPStud@LCPStud well at least i don't have Stud in my youtube name. I bet you go into bars with a banana in your pocket wearing a sleveless tee shirt with STUD MUFFIN written on the back of it as you thrust your pelvis in the direction of the hot women saying wana piece of that.
I Like you
Anyway I used to use my altimeter but the girls always thought it was just a huge watch. I found my jumpsuit to work better. Especially after I wrote Im a Skydiver on the back of it
If you really wanna haul in the chicks, bring a DVD of BASE jumping to the bar, have them play it, and tell everyone it is you.
That worked for me once. Of course she was 55 years old & smelled like whiskey, but what the hell.
Also, have one of your buddies congratulate you for saving the entire plane by crawling out onto the wing in-flight and extinguishing the engine that was on fire by peeing on it .
That way you get the fireman groupies interested as well.
@LCPStud I accidently brought the wrong DVD but I was still covered with chicks. You see after I told them all it was of me I found out I brought the porn. I was really wierded out when I got some of the firemen too.
I had a similar situation with 2out from a low pull. I chose NOT to release the toggles as the bi-plane was flying pretty stable as it was, and i'm a believer in - if it ain't broke- don't fix it. No flare, no nothing for landing either, just a PLF. Landing was hardish but okay. (115 9cell main 120 reserve 90kg exit , 3500 jumps prior to incident)
IF your dumb and let yourself become reliant on your ditter like i had, at least make sure you have it on/in your helmet (unlike me that day)!!
Parachute Landing Fall...when you don't just land normally, using the flare of the canopy to set you down nice and soft, but instead land like they had to before rectangular canopies, harder and faster, so you're supposed to put your legs together and bend slightly at the knees to help cushion the impact, and also flop over on your side to distribute the force of the impact over more surface area, to help avoid breaking bones
All dive lingo aside dood, this was one of two things ,or both ,very stoopid, or very fortunate.Well if you'd have burned in atleast it would have been your fault and you didn't have a tandem rig and rider on. Camera work is distracting, so many thngs should have gone wrong but didn't, divine providence? Definately! Atleast t wouldn't hurt becoming a lawn dart n someone's yard ya know. Hell once you get down to four ,or five feet you can just jump from there anyway why deploy a packed rig then?
@toss1989 uh... no way dude. No one is stupid enough to intentionaly deploy 2 canopies at the same time close to the ground. Its just pot luck that they didnt entagle its not a controllable stunt.
What the hell were you retards trying to do?..... When were you planning to pull??.... "hey let's dock after the tandem opens no matter what, then if there is time we'll open a parachute".
Skydiving rigs are fitted with AADs (automatic activation devices) which can lead to two parachutes being out at once if you deploy your main parachute too low. Potentially dangerous situation.
Because a fatality affects their families and the skydiving community community as a whole. It's horrible for the people who witness it. It's not just their lives in their hands.
Just because these two guys have a camera mounted on their head by no way means that they are instructors of any kind. If they are their ratings should be stripped from them for this. They show an obvious disregard for safety. Why in the hell would they make the front canopy go into full flight by unstowing the brakes is beyond me. Leave all toggles stowed and PLF on landing. Both of these guys will one day end up as statistics.
In the training that I received which varies in certain ways from the SIM this is one of them. The idea is that why would you want to take 2 canopies that are flying both in a braked position and stable and change one of them to a faster flight configuration by unstowing the brakes which can result in separation of the two canopies. It was recommended to us that you pull slightly on the rear risers of both canopies and keep them together for adjustments needed for landing.
There are also several factors not incorporated into the SIM.
1)Is the front canopy smaller than the rear canopy if so it will want to fly faster in a full flight configuration and increase the chances of separation.
2)The SIM states "Note: The following recommendations are drawn from experience with larger canopies during tests conducted in the mid-1990's. Smaller canopies may react differently and require a different response."
@skydiver5975 I haven't had two out, and don't want two out, but thanks for the input on 5.1.E....I need to inbed it in my brain. If no one else pays attention to it, you can believe that I will. Thanks
@skydiver5975 uh, in our club they teach to NOT unstow brakes. In that case front canopy is in full glide and moves faster, it can end in downplane or cause lines to cross. And if reserve deploys itself by malfunction and you already have brakes open in main canopy, then you must keep brakes within the level they should be before opening.
@hanphilip PLF=Parachute Landing Fall It's a landing technique used to absorb and distribute the energy of the fall through multiple points by landing with feet and knees close together, slightly bent, chin to chest, going into a roll to dissipate the momentum and prevent worse injuries due to hard landings.
@hanphilip PLF - Parachute Landing Fall. You land with your feet together then roll down one side of your body with your arms in. Starting with being on your feet. Dropping to your knees on one side. Continuing the roll to your hip. Then finishing the roll by ending at the opposite shoulder. This is a bit easier to demonstrate than to just have a explanation with words alone.
@Skydvr74 You sir, are 1/2 right. But what is beyond you, is on page 31 of the SIM (Skydiver's Information Manual): in case of a biplane, that's one thing you could do, or you could use the risers. I agree, foolish...but they acknowledge it. Perhaps they learned. Quick to strip and judge you are, but take it easy :D
@NYCEmpire I do not see the logic in changing the flight characteristics of the front canopy if both are staying together. I was trained that in a biplane steer using mild input on the rear risers of both canopies. I see releasing the brakes as only an invitation for the two canopies to separate and possibly create a downplane situation.
@Skydvr74 You could go with either option. Although if the canopy is receiving input to steer to the preferred landing area, whether the risers or the toggles are causing any directional changes...the result should be the same (assuming you don't yank the toggles to perform aggressive canopy maneuvers). What kind of separation do you mean?
@NYCEmpire By releasing the brakes on the front canopy by design it will want to fly with a faster forward speed. This can very possibly create a gap between the front and trailing canopies. The two canopies when far enough apart will cause both of them to want to fly further away from each other. It can cause both canopies to dive straight down in a downplane formation.
@Skydvr74 I suppose a collapse of the rear is possible if it bites in the "right" way, assuming the front leads as the main accelerator. Both in a downplane seems less likely since they'd likely have to travel in opposite directions if the gap was to remain between the canopies, thus creating two forces pulling apart from each other... in any case, were creating a complex physics scenario with many factors that may influence the outcome. I get what you mean, & tnx for clarifying. Well, safety1st
yes on the spellcheck...these guys spell about as well as they attend to safety:
"accedents","pre jump", "altimiter", "depolying", "immenent", "flair", "recomended", "post mortum", "experiance", "menuvers"...that's a lot of misspellings in such a small amount of text....
soo u guys are also hypocrites because u spelled hypocrite wrong and u didn't notice that he spelled experience wrong too so ur all idiots too and stop buggin him and enjoy a good video
i had one low pull due to a number of factors, swinging by 1250 and it scared the daylights out of me, and once u are in that situation u realise how fast things can go wrong without taking proper care. they teach us all our sfety stuff for a reason. why would anyone with a brain deliberately pull low, i dont want to kill myself and do damage to the sport i love, but it is easy to get complacent and we should try learn from vids like this. glad everyone was ok! lots of beer was required im sure!
what did they do wrong? and please explain in not in skydiving terms, cuz i wont know what the hell youre talking about. but were they supposed to open their shute at 5000ft cuz...that doesnt seem right
"WheresThePopcornProd", they train people to lock in at 6000ft and pull at 5500ft. Experienced jumpers, will pull at 3000ft (at the latest), and crazy ass jumpers willing to risk their own life for an extra 10 to 15 second thrill will pull at around 1500, just as these guys did. The problem, is if you get to 1000ft, and you're aad detects you are still falling too fast, it deploys the reserve.
You are a fucking moron. Nobody lets their aad fire on purpose, ESPECIALLY not into a good main. The jumper with the downplane came within about 3 seconds of death.
Actually one could argue that anyone that would jump out of a perfectly good airplane is a "fucking moron". You however are just naive. I didn't say they let their aad fire on purpose. But they did get that low on purpose, and they did play with death on purpose. And they did know that pulling that low, could still cause the aad to fire. But it's okay, you just go on believing that people "mistakenly" let themselves get all the way to 1000 before they pull.
not sure if youre a jumper or not but anyways. just judging by the way these 2 guys fly, they arent instructors. if they are, they arent instructors i would have ever wanted doing my aff. they were probably just friends that wanted to lurk their buddy's tandem and were just being stupid.
The dude has camera on his head, which means he is likely an instructor at the school. And the fact that he looks at his altimeter at 2000ft which I'm sure you saw (considering it was deliberately visible on the video) means he knew EXACTLY what he was doing. So, my naive friends, please drop it. All thrill seekers eventually start pushing the limits and risking their lives. It's like that with ever thrill sport.
first of all, i threw a camera on my head at 130 jumps so having a camera doesnt mean you are an instructor...besides, theres a difference between a tandem instructor and a camera flyer. BTW i never said that they didnt know what they were doing, i just said that they were dumb. im just curious, are you an avid jumper or did you do a tandem or two?
lol, no I don't do tandem, never did. But yeah, like you said, 130 jumps, is experienced right? And probably someone who starts risking things a bit more. I mean a lot of people do things that could kill them (snowboard a bowl with 100ft initial drop, do 140mph on a motorcycle, have unprotected sex with someone you just met), I mean honestly, the 3 I just mentioned sound much more risky than pulling at 1500.
nah man 130 jumps in this sport is still considered a baby. im just over 500 and im prob considered a novice. people that are very eperienced have 1000+ most people that dont jump think more than 1 is alot. as far as pulling low... lets say you wave and pull at 3k. by the time you actually throw out, youe burned 2-300 ft. then theres opening sequence. canopies snivel anywhere from 500 to 1000 ft before opening. you do the math for pulling at 1500=/ i pull at 3k open at about 2k.
i can see if people want to push the limit, but going low in a skydive is retarded. no time for emergency procedures if there is a malfunction. Depending on where this dz is, i wonder if there were grounded for this. "IF" these guys were instructors which they probably werent, theyd be setting a terrible example.
jbrinkman86, yeah I see your point, but I guess I'm just curious, and I can tell from your page you're very experienced (much more than I), but you never go under 2000 before you pull? I mean I ask because some of the guys i jump with, all be it, some are truly crazy, and I agree push things further than I ever would, but some of them go this low almost all the time.
the absolute lowest ive ever been under canopy by was 1600. i dont really make a habit of that because a highly loaded crossbrace canopy is more prone to a mal so i like the etra decision altitude. yeah some people go low and that is their perogative, and im glad you dont. one of my coaches once told me. "id rather have 45 secs of valuable canopy time than 3 secons of freefall," which is so true. if you wanna pull low, base is the way to go. those, unlike skydive canopies, are made to open fast
THere's no such thing as a perfectly good airplane.
And yes, it happens all the time you retarded monkey. Its called loss of altitude awareness and its the second highest cause of impact for skydivers net to low turns.
How about you shut the fuck up until you know what youre talking about.
Let me guess, you go surfing in 2 foot waves (you know, so it's "safe"). Or snowboard on the bunny slope (you know, so it's "safe"). Or practice MMA and tap out as soon as your opponent breathes on you (you know, so it's "safe"). You thrill seeker, you.....
I never jumped without a chute. Maybe one day, just for you. You know what's funny is one of your favorite videos is of people base jumping with wingsuits. Which I agree, it looks amazing and I would love to try it some day, but you are calling me and the guys in this video stupid for pulling at 1500ft. wtf?
IDIOTS
mckx5 1 month ago
"Basically just being STUPID"... é vero.
gigantopitecus 2 months ago
stupid ....
paragige 6 months ago 2
All three jumpers in this video are Great Big Gaping Assholes and should be banned from the sport. First the Tandem Master is an asshole for putting his passenger in harms way by jumping with two, obviously incompetent and inexperienced skydivers. All it takes is one moron to become entangled with the drogue on the tandem and its all over for 3 people, especially in this case where the idiot can’t even maintain altitude awareness. Pull the tandem masters license permanently.
elzeko 6 months ago 2
First of all, what dropzone is letting "low experience" jumpers jump with tandems???? There should never be one, let alone two of them jumping with a tandem pair.
Second of all, by the looks of the video, these jumpers are fairly aware of their altitudes. In fact, whoever made this video is referencing their altimeters! This seems to me to be more of a low-pull contest or intentional low-pull (which are both still pretty stupid).
Third of all.... dude, use some freaking spell check.
VincePetaccio 7 months ago in playlist Skydiving 3
He checked his altimeter at 0:58 then the video was edited after that point so it is not clear how much time had elapsed before the text "have you checked your own altimeter yet... NO" statement pops up. Why is this?
EverywhereVirtually 7 months ago
@EverywhereVirtually My bad I see you are referring to the cameramen.
EverywhereVirtually 7 months ago
COOL! Solo CRW... but you both deserve the CI to ground you for a month!
TheBmoll 7 months ago
Lack of spelling talent
RickAHyatt 8 months ago
It looks like they deliberately deployed low....I have
JamesWitte 8 months ago
There pros, stop being jelouse.Live your life to the max.
MsGamingcity 8 months ago
Better to be lucky than experienced sometimes....there is TWO examples of LUCK in one skydive.
skydiver1957 9 months ago
Who let these two obviously low experienced jumpers go out with the Tandem. This is just a bad idea. I have lost way too many friends in this sport. None of those died doing something as stupid as this dive. These two need to be banned from jumping and sent back to school.
lanceav8r 9 months ago
I'm new to skydiving. Are these guys just idiots are something? Did they plan to deploy at 1800 ft? Cutaway at 400 ft?
Lehmann108 10 months ago
Dudes love the clip, it was very funny for the only reason it wasnt me.
Now for the mind blowingly stupid lack of altitude awareness, Old age is not something your planning is it? :-)
Blue Skies dudes...
denleya 10 months ago
when i saw the downplane, i was like "cut cut cut".. which u did thankfully :p
thedjesa 10 months ago
fucking idiots
dormiturefl 11 months ago
i don't understand at witch altitude u must deploy your parachute? in meters if you can tell me please?
alabala327 11 months ago
@alabala327 deploy at 8000 meters approx.
rrr1sportrider 10 months ago
@rrr1sportrider 800m or 8000 cuz 4000m is the jump alt
alabala327 10 months ago
A Bi-plane is awful - These guys were friggin lucky. Their stupidity was staggering. Was this a dare or what??
Superbruv07 11 months ago
@Superbruv07 If you were in 2 out bi-plane scenario, is it safe to turn into the wind for landing??? Or do you keep the parachute in a straight stable direction??? Thanks and stuff
rrr1sportrider 10 months ago
@rrr1sportrider turn as little as possible. there is a danger of the biplane turning into a downplane too low to cut away if you oversteer. land downwind if need be.
skydiver5975 10 months ago
@rrr1sportrider Dude don't ask me I've only done 2 jumps!! LOL I'd think just follow landing procedure, especially if you're not sure up there.
Superbruv07 10 months ago
crazy
TheAleksey21 11 months ago
What does "PLF" mean?
ItalianPolishGuy 1 year ago
@ItalianPolishGuy It stands for a Parachute Landing Fall. It consits of a 5-contact landing. To perform a PLF, the skydiver should place their feet together, bend their knees slightly, and roll over to one side upon touching the ground. (Ankle, Leg, Thigh, Hip, Shoulder). This will move the weight of the fall over most the skydiver's body.
Superbruv07 11 months ago
@Superbruv07 Oh and i was awful at them in training! loool.
Superbruv07 11 months ago
haha it is a bi-plane!!!
ClanHalo001 1 year ago
Lesson #1 - Stay altitude aware!
Going from a 182 DZ to an Otter DZ back to a 182 DZ, the skydive is over before you know it. I got a Ditter as a backup, maybe I need two!
Thanks for posting!!!
dkhanley 1 year ago
having to cut away at 400 feet would scare the hell out of me, but at least there's an open canopy at all times. a hard landing with a PLF under a reserve is much better than landing a downplane (which may be the last thing you ever do). expensive lesson, anyway!!
keeponwishin 1 year ago
with a down plane at 500, i'd shit my pants
m5powered 1 year ago
cutaway at 400ft, thats gotta be pretty fucken scary
ElSpewtardo 1 year ago
I had a biplane on my 25th jump. It was cause the rsl on the student rig i was using got caught on the risers when the main deployed. It was a pretty scary situation.
justinharker 1 year ago
it's simple. these two are uber-lucky to be alive.
jjbecke 1 year ago
Despite being incredibly scary in and of itself, that downplane close to the ground was TERRIFYING. I only pray I have the clearheadedness to cut away the main in that situation as quickly as possible. It really eats up the air.
Sttucker13 1 year ago
Dickheads !!
td12308 1 year ago
Skydiver's motto..."Either do something or die" !!!
e081194eng 1 year ago
@e081194eng,
Wait a sec. I thought it was "Beer_N_Burgers!!"
DOOOOOOR!!!!!!!!!!!!
neomuttley 1 year ago
Cool music
markbeatlesyeah 1 year ago
too stupid!
hellion77fly 1 year ago
I think I don't understand exactly what happend. Why did the first skydiver opend the reserve parachute?
And why does the second one open both of them at the same time?
LZmiljoona 1 year ago
@LZmiljoona they both were so low that reserve parachutes deployed automatically.
VkCuber 1 year ago
For those of you that say "but base-jumpers deploy way lower than this, whats the prob?). A skydiver rig is more likely to fail than a base rig, so you need the extra time in case you need the reserve.
TheLocoViking 1 year ago
@TheLocoViking Why is that?
prospectify 1 month ago
You can't kill someone who is already dead.. A Reserve deploying into a Main can collapse both chutes. It's a roll of the dice, w/no control by the jumper. Very foolish way to risk One's life. BTW, my manual states not to unstow either brakes in a stable Bi-plane. Rear-riser turns, no flare, then PLF. I was kicking myself for popping @2500 last weekend (alti malfunction). These guys make me look good!!
neomuttley 1 year ago
@neomuttley Which manual? I know the up to date USPA.com SIM states to unstow (page 31).
NYCEmpire 1 year ago
@NYCEmpire ,
The manual my DZ gives to the AFF students. Compiled by standard manuals, plus two senior jump masters w/about 30 years of jumping experience, each. Hopefully, I'll never be in the position. Not un-stowing either toggles seems to make sense to me. Anything that could pull the two chutes apart, could create a down-plane.
neomuttley 1 year ago
@neomuttley I suppose both methods are alright since the USPA acknowledges both and your local DZ teaches the risers.
NYCEmpire 1 year ago
@NYCEmpire The possible separation that I was talking about is when you unstow the toggles of one canopy it is no longer in a braked position. That can create a situation of possibly downplaning the two canopies because of one being in full flight and the other being in a braked position. Is it a guarantee that this will happen. Not at all. But by unstowing the brakes on one canopy you are increasing the chances of it happening. Sorry for the delay been away judging Nationals.
Skydvr74 1 year ago
Amusing that the second guy took the time to wave off at 800'.
That was for... who?
kuai43 1 year ago 2
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was this jump done on purpose to demonstrate what you don't have to do? it s a good summary!
leogagliardigmail 1 year ago
was this jump done on purpose to demonstrate what you not have to do? it s a good summary!
leogagliardigmail 1 year ago
lol my instructor said if you ever deploy the cypress you should just quit skydiving. Fuck opening that low like.
CAMBi07 1 year ago
The worst accident I've heard of involving a camera flyer was a guy down in Florida around 1990 who completely forgot to put his rig on. Can't believe the other jumpers didn't say "hey dude" when he was getting on board the plane.
Fishmonger1966 1 year ago
Pretty much anyone who has a AAD fire while still consious or otherwise able to deploy should quit the sport. Idiots.
Cagair 1 year ago
wow , I had the same situation with biplane below 600ft after a main malfunction.landed safe just few meters away from the trees.very lucky.
skyfreezr 1 year ago
What, no hook turn and swoop?
av8rdav 1 year ago
My instructor would kick my ass if i pulled that crap. Retarded behavior but please leave it up so others learn.
204shooter 1 year ago
@204shooter I believe your instructor would be well within his rights too. I hear they both got grounded fo a month over this.
skydiver5975 1 year ago
My instructor would kick my ass if i pulled that shit off. Retarded but please leave the video up so others learn.
204shooter 1 year ago
whiz bang beeper shit....lol thats a good one
I'm sure you've learned your lesson...lucky you didn't learn it by joining the 'cause of death' club...
z750x 1 year ago
Loss of altitude awareness. Cause of most skydiving fatalities.
tuttt99 1 year ago
@tuttt99 Not True, No Excuses for their behavior but most accidents are caused from low turns. ADDs have helped with loss of altitude awareness. Two out simply means that the skydivers deployed, but too late. a simple ADD fire would result in one out and problay a hurt ego.
skydiver5975 1 year ago 6
was there any particular reason for the low pulls? Or just an accident? I went real low one time on accident. One of the only times I was thankful not to have an aad because I probably would have had 2 out as well.
gofastER 1 year ago
That was awesome. well funny crack
UKmarkj 1 year ago
Liked it in it's training opportunity. A lot can be learned from this... everything from the importance of altitude awareness to a visual reference to what should be done in a 2 out situation. It's covered during training, but it's difficult to give a visual reference to someone who has never seen it or (more importantly) felt and experienced it. Definately glad that it was at least on video. I plan to pass it on to as many people as I can. Thanks for posting this.
nickgonzalesgrad03 1 year ago
Liked it in it's training opportunity. A lot can be learned from this... everything from the importance of altitude awareness to a visual reference to what should be done in a 2 out situation. It's covered during training, but it's difficult to give a visual reference to someone who has never seen it or (more importantly) felt and experienced it. Definately glad that it was at least on video. I plan to pass it on to as many people as I can.
nickgonzalesgrad03 1 year ago
Dipshits.... FYI I am a 3000+ jump skydiver.
To have this happen to 2 people on the same jump is retarded (and something similar happened at our DZ once). 2 people = twice as many altimeters and twice the retardation.
Don't get me wrong, I had a few sub 1500 foot deployments in my time, but this was before Cypreses existed and I knew I was going to hum it from the get go.
You have to be a fricken idiot to let this happen to you with all the whiz bang beeper shit people carry these days.
LCPStud 1 year ago
@LCPStud First you must be as much a "Dipshit" as those in the video being you too have done this " I had a few sub 1500 foot deployments in my time" the opening sequence according to the video is 1500 ft.. Second you too must be a " fricken idiot to let this happen to you ' for the same reason as stated above. Third You sound like an overinflated self proclaimed sky god. Give another skydiving brother a little respect, eh.
skydiver5975 1 year ago
@skydiver5975
At least I don't have "skydiver" in my fucking YouTube name. What a fucking jerk, I bet you probably go to bars after jumping with your altimeter still on your wrist... "What? Oh gosh, silly me, I must have left my SKYDIVING altimeter on! Did you hear, I said 'SKYDIVING!!' "
Anyway, there is a big diff between humming it on purpose WITHOUT a Cypres in your rig and losing altitude awareness and humming it WITH a Cypres in there.
If you can't tell the diff, think harder.
LCPStud 1 year ago
@LCPStud @LCPStud well at least i don't have Stud in my youtube name. I bet you go into bars with a banana in your pocket wearing a sleveless tee shirt with STUD MUFFIN written on the back of it as you thrust your pelvis in the direction of the hot women saying wana piece of that.
I Like you
Anyway I used to use my altimeter but the girls always thought it was just a huge watch. I found my jumpsuit to work better. Especially after I wrote Im a Skydiver on the back of it
Did you say Humming?
skydiver5975 1 year ago 12
@skydiver5975
If you really wanna haul in the chicks, bring a DVD of BASE jumping to the bar, have them play it, and tell everyone it is you.
That worked for me once. Of course she was 55 years old & smelled like whiskey, but what the hell.
Also, have one of your buddies congratulate you for saving the entire plane by crawling out onto the wing in-flight and extinguishing the engine that was on fire by peeing on it .
That way you get the fireman groupies interested as well.
LCPStud 1 year ago 25
@LCPStud I accidently brought the wrong DVD but I was still covered with chicks. You see after I told them all it was of me I found out I brought the porn. I was really wierded out when I got some of the firemen too.
skydiver5975 1 year ago 2
@LCPStud I tried peeing on fire once.. but since it was all alcohol it only made it worse :(
Kopihucky 4 months ago
Critizim accepted but be nice about it or I will remove the video
skydiver5975 1 year ago
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370HSSVNV 1 year ago
you tube would not let me use the original song. you didnt have to listen, y are you such a hater.
skydiver5975 1 year ago
@skydiver5975 ok ok i didnt know that. removing post.
370HSSVNV 1 year ago
Idiots one day your gonna kill someone other than yourself
XatreyuX16 1 year ago
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jimmyfreefly 1 year ago
Your altitude judgment is about as good as your taste in songs. You're an idiot...
neomuttley 1 year ago
Satan did not want them just yet. Once the time is right, they are going to hell.
PirateIt 1 year ago
@PirateIt
Are you God or so?
TheNovaAxon 1 year ago
You have no business fliming a tandem. What you did after tandem opened is not normal at all...
TheNitro98 1 year ago
whats this track called?? great song!
aniaskup 1 year ago
you guys having to much fun out there;-)
blueskies1980 1 year ago
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leisulin 2 years ago
I had a similar situation with 2out from a low pull. I chose NOT to release the toggles as the bi-plane was flying pretty stable as it was, and i'm a believer in - if it ain't broke- don't fix it. No flare, no nothing for landing either, just a PLF. Landing was hardish but okay. (115 9cell main 120 reserve 90kg exit , 3500 jumps prior to incident)
IF your dumb and let yourself become reliant on your ditter like i had, at least make sure you have it on/in your helmet (unlike me that day)!!
mrkarlhey 2 years ago
that was amazing.
n8032 2 years ago
PLF? abbreviation, or the sound he made when he hit?
Steaksngainers 2 years ago
@Steaksngainers abbreviation for parachute landing fall.
n8032 2 years ago
@n8032 or also Parachute Landing FAIL. Most often followed by a buying of beers.
mrkarlhey 2 years ago
Parachute Landing Fall...when you don't just land normally, using the flare of the canopy to set you down nice and soft, but instead land like they had to before rectangular canopies, harder and faster, so you're supposed to put your legs together and bend slightly at the knees to help cushion the impact, and also flop over on your side to distribute the force of the impact over more surface area, to help avoid breaking bones
leisulin 2 years ago
All dive lingo aside dood, this was one of two things ,or both ,very stoopid, or very fortunate.Well if you'd have burned in atleast it would have been your fault and you didn't have a tandem rig and rider on. Camera work is distracting, so many thngs should have gone wrong but didn't, divine providence? Definately! Atleast t wouldn't hurt becoming a lawn dart n someone's yard ya know. Hell once you get down to four ,or five feet you can just jump from there anyway why deploy a packed rig then?
justaman6972 2 years ago
Wow, that down plane would have scared the hell out of me. Dudes, lucky he had a clean cut-away of the down plane.
TheBuckeyefan24 2 years ago
Does anyone know if this is a training aid. cause it could have been a planed ordeal.
toss1989 2 years ago
@toss1989 uh... no way dude. No one is stupid enough to intentionaly deploy 2 canopies at the same time close to the ground. Its just pot luck that they didnt entagle its not a controllable stunt.
goingtoeatpizza 2 years ago
What the hell were you retards trying to do?..... When were you planning to pull??.... "hey let's dock after the tandem opens no matter what, then if there is time we'll open a parachute".
On a positive note Good job not dying.
Anywho, Thanks for posting!
Jayhawkskydiving 2 years ago
do you open reserves when you deploy to late ?
superjaysimmons 2 years ago
Skydiving rigs are fitted with AADs (automatic activation devices) which can lead to two parachutes being out at once if you deploy your main parachute too low. Potentially dangerous situation.
tcr72 2 years ago
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cyberkotatsu 2 years ago
God, this was scary to watch as it showed a HUGE lack of altitude awareness.
Vanillaskygirl 2 years ago
My opinion is that it is their life. Good for us to watch and see what not to do, but why offend? They may land in coffins earlier so..?
justanotherfreak2008 2 years ago
Because a fatality affects their families and the skydiving community community as a whole. It's horrible for the people who witness it. It's not just their lives in their hands.
tcr72 2 years ago
hmm you are right
justanotherfreak2008 2 years ago
Just because these two guys have a camera mounted on their head by no way means that they are instructors of any kind. If they are their ratings should be stripped from them for this. They show an obvious disregard for safety. Why in the hell would they make the front canopy go into full flight by unstowing the brakes is beyond me. Leave all toggles stowed and PLF on landing. Both of these guys will one day end up as statistics.
Skydvr74 2 years ago 4
Could not let this one slip by because you are wrong about the front brakes. Read the SIM Paragraph 5.1.E
3. Stable biplane
a. Unstow the brakes on the front canopy and recover gently to full flight.
b. Leave the brakes stowed on the rear canopy.
c. Steer the front canopy only as necessary to maneuver for a safe landing.
d. Use minimal control input as necessary for landing.
e. Perform a parachute landing fall.
skydiver5975 2 years ago 2
In the training that I received which varies in certain ways from the SIM this is one of them. The idea is that why would you want to take 2 canopies that are flying both in a braked position and stable and change one of them to a faster flight configuration by unstowing the brakes which can result in separation of the two canopies. It was recommended to us that you pull slightly on the rear risers of both canopies and keep them together for adjustments needed for landing.
Skydvr74 2 years ago
There are also several factors not incorporated into the SIM.
1)Is the front canopy smaller than the rear canopy if so it will want to fly faster in a full flight configuration and increase the chances of separation.
2)The SIM states "Note: The following recommendations are drawn from experience with larger canopies during tests conducted in the mid-1990's. Smaller canopies may react differently and require a different response."
Skydvr74 2 years ago
@skydiver5975 I haven't had two out, and don't want two out, but thanks for the input on 5.1.E....I need to inbed it in my brain. If no one else pays attention to it, you can believe that I will. Thanks
mikebasejumps 1 year ago
@skydiver5975 uh, in our club they teach to NOT unstow brakes. In that case front canopy is in full glide and moves faster, it can end in downplane or cause lines to cross. And if reserve deploys itself by malfunction and you already have brakes open in main canopy, then you must keep brakes within the level they should be before opening.
VkCuber 1 year ago
@Skydvr74 PLF?
hanphilip 1 year ago
@hanphilip PLF=Parachute Landing Fall It's a landing technique used to absorb and distribute the energy of the fall through multiple points by landing with feet and knees close together, slightly bent, chin to chest, going into a roll to dissipate the momentum and prevent worse injuries due to hard landings.
NYCEmpire 1 year ago
@hanphilip PLF - Parachute Landing Fall. You land with your feet together then roll down one side of your body with your arms in. Starting with being on your feet. Dropping to your knees on one side. Continuing the roll to your hip. Then finishing the roll by ending at the opposite shoulder. This is a bit easier to demonstrate than to just have a explanation with words alone.
Skydvr74 1 year ago
@Skydvr74 You sir, are 1/2 right. But what is beyond you, is on page 31 of the SIM (Skydiver's Information Manual): in case of a biplane, that's one thing you could do, or you could use the risers. I agree, foolish...but they acknowledge it. Perhaps they learned. Quick to strip and judge you are, but take it easy :D
NYCEmpire 1 year ago
@NYCEmpire I do not see the logic in changing the flight characteristics of the front canopy if both are staying together. I was trained that in a biplane steer using mild input on the rear risers of both canopies. I see releasing the brakes as only an invitation for the two canopies to separate and possibly create a downplane situation.
Skydvr74 1 year ago
@Skydvr74 You could go with either option. Although if the canopy is receiving input to steer to the preferred landing area, whether the risers or the toggles are causing any directional changes...the result should be the same (assuming you don't yank the toggles to perform aggressive canopy maneuvers). What kind of separation do you mean?
NYCEmpire 1 year ago
@NYCEmpire By releasing the brakes on the front canopy by design it will want to fly with a faster forward speed. This can very possibly create a gap between the front and trailing canopies. The two canopies when far enough apart will cause both of them to want to fly further away from each other. It can cause both canopies to dive straight down in a downplane formation.
Skydvr74 10 months ago
@Skydvr74 I suppose a collapse of the rear is possible if it bites in the "right" way, assuming the front leads as the main accelerator. Both in a downplane seems less likely since they'd likely have to travel in opposite directions if the gap was to remain between the canopies, thus creating two forces pulling apart from each other... in any case, were creating a complex physics scenario with many factors that may influence the outcome. I get what you mean, & tnx for clarifying. Well, safety1st
NYCEmpire 10 months ago
crazy idiots
mathador42 2 years ago
They are both future statistics. Very foolish. May I respectfully suggest spellcheck?
neomuttley 2 years ago
@neomuttley
yes on the spellcheck...these guys spell about as well as they attend to safety:
"accedents","pre jump", "altimiter", "depolying", "immenent", "flair", "recomended", "post mortum", "experiance", "menuvers"...that's a lot of misspellings in such a small amount of text....
leisulin 2 years ago
this is not about experience. this is just foolish.
extremeFreak 2 years ago
no harm no foul
ninemen123 2 years ago
at least, the tandem instructor was responsible deploing the parachute at good altitude.
Good video, showing how some skydivers take some risky behaviors... and it could end in tragedy.
By the way, anyone knows what is the song used in this video? Thanks
TchokoNorris 2 years ago
"experience"
Elvis1438 2 years ago
jesus that is dangerous he was freeflying way to low u can get fd up doing that i personaly stop freefly at around 4000 feet
master123214 2 years ago
fd?
01stursa 2 years ago
Misspellings aside, he's exactly correct. Very foolish...
neomuttley 2 years ago
wow wow wow god plane:D:D
McDawCa 2 years ago
freefly is nice but you are faster than bodeßflieers so you should open in about 3500 ft and stop freefly at 4500ft
freeflyguySAAR 2 years ago
Great vid, this should be on all the training videos. Matter of fact im going to recommend it at my DZ:)
240m3srt 2 years ago 4
Daaaaaaamn. That was some scary stuff and I was only watching the video, haha. That is crazy, glad everybody was okay.
TheRealOneEye 2 years ago
soo u guys are also hypocrites because u spelled hypocrite wrong and u didn't notice that he spelled experience wrong too so ur all idiots too and stop buggin him and enjoy a good video
b0ob0 2 years ago
he spelled accidents and experience wrong lol
keysing1 2 years ago
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01stursa 2 years ago
lol dont mean to be a jerk but look whos talking....hippocrite=wrong
correct = hypocrite
jbrinkman86 2 years ago
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01stursa 2 years ago
you spelled accident wrong in the intro.... Do you guys even have a hard deck? how bout a pull altitude? haha
parawhat1 2 years ago
I counted five cartons of beer.
Great video for showing what can happen when you lose altitude awareness.
mrkarlhey 2 years ago 3
i had one low pull due to a number of factors, swinging by 1250 and it scared the daylights out of me, and once u are in that situation u realise how fast things can go wrong without taking proper care. they teach us all our sfety stuff for a reason. why would anyone with a brain deliberately pull low, i dont want to kill myself and do damage to the sport i love, but it is easy to get complacent and we should try learn from vids like this. glad everyone was ok! lots of beer was required im sure!
Smashleigh984 2 years ago
nice biplane
masmas1029 2 years ago
what did they do wrong? and please explain in not in skydiving terms, cuz i wont know what the hell youre talking about. but were they supposed to open their shute at 5000ft cuz...that doesnt seem right
WheresThePopcornProd 2 years ago
"WheresThePopcornProd", they train people to lock in at 6000ft and pull at 5500ft. Experienced jumpers, will pull at 3000ft (at the latest), and crazy ass jumpers willing to risk their own life for an extra 10 to 15 second thrill will pull at around 1500, just as these guys did. The problem, is if you get to 1000ft, and you're aad detects you are still falling too fast, it deploys the reserve.
ruckfepublicans 2 years ago
ohhh alright thanks for explaining that for me
WheresThePopcornProd 2 years ago
wow,!
JuiceBanger1 2 years ago
You guys are so naive. These guys likely are the instructors, and did this on purpose. When you get comfortable jumping you start pushing it.
ruckfepublicans 2 years ago
You are a fucking moron. Nobody lets their aad fire on purpose, ESPECIALLY not into a good main. The jumper with the downplane came within about 3 seconds of death.
rivetgeek 2 years ago
Actually one could argue that anyone that would jump out of a perfectly good airplane is a "fucking moron". You however are just naive. I didn't say they let their aad fire on purpose. But they did get that low on purpose, and they did play with death on purpose. And they did know that pulling that low, could still cause the aad to fire. But it's okay, you just go on believing that people "mistakenly" let themselves get all the way to 1000 before they pull.
ruckfepublicans 2 years ago
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ruckfepublicans 2 years ago
not sure if youre a jumper or not but anyways. just judging by the way these 2 guys fly, they arent instructors. if they are, they arent instructors i would have ever wanted doing my aff. they were probably just friends that wanted to lurk their buddy's tandem and were just being stupid.
jbrinkman86 2 years ago
The dude has camera on his head, which means he is likely an instructor at the school. And the fact that he looks at his altimeter at 2000ft which I'm sure you saw (considering it was deliberately visible on the video) means he knew EXACTLY what he was doing. So, my naive friends, please drop it. All thrill seekers eventually start pushing the limits and risking their lives. It's like that with ever thrill sport.
ruckfepublicans 2 years ago
first of all, i threw a camera on my head at 130 jumps so having a camera doesnt mean you are an instructor...besides, theres a difference between a tandem instructor and a camera flyer. BTW i never said that they didnt know what they were doing, i just said that they were dumb. im just curious, are you an avid jumper or did you do a tandem or two?
jbrinkman86 2 years ago
lol, no I don't do tandem, never did. But yeah, like you said, 130 jumps, is experienced right? And probably someone who starts risking things a bit more. I mean a lot of people do things that could kill them (snowboard a bowl with 100ft initial drop, do 140mph on a motorcycle, have unprotected sex with someone you just met), I mean honestly, the 3 I just mentioned sound much more risky than pulling at 1500.
ruckfepublicans 2 years ago
nah man 130 jumps in this sport is still considered a baby. im just over 500 and im prob considered a novice. people that are very eperienced have 1000+ most people that dont jump think more than 1 is alot. as far as pulling low... lets say you wave and pull at 3k. by the time you actually throw out, youe burned 2-300 ft. then theres opening sequence. canopies snivel anywhere from 500 to 1000 ft before opening. you do the math for pulling at 1500=/ i pull at 3k open at about 2k.
jbrinkman86 2 years ago
i can see if people want to push the limit, but going low in a skydive is retarded. no time for emergency procedures if there is a malfunction. Depending on where this dz is, i wonder if there were grounded for this. "IF" these guys were instructors which they probably werent, theyd be setting a terrible example.
jbrinkman86 2 years ago
jbrinkman86, yeah I see your point, but I guess I'm just curious, and I can tell from your page you're very experienced (much more than I), but you never go under 2000 before you pull? I mean I ask because some of the guys i jump with, all be it, some are truly crazy, and I agree push things further than I ever would, but some of them go this low almost all the time.
ruckfepublicans 2 years ago
the absolute lowest ive ever been under canopy by was 1600. i dont really make a habit of that because a highly loaded crossbrace canopy is more prone to a mal so i like the etra decision altitude. yeah some people go low and that is their perogative, and im glad you dont. one of my coaches once told me. "id rather have 45 secs of valuable canopy time than 3 secons of freefall," which is so true. if you wanna pull low, base is the way to go. those, unlike skydive canopies, are made to open fast
jbrinkman86 2 years ago
I'm glad you could share your life story with everyone.
despondentbosco 2 years ago
THere's no such thing as a perfectly good airplane.
And yes, it happens all the time you retarded monkey. Its called loss of altitude awareness and its the second highest cause of impact for skydivers net to low turns.
How about you shut the fuck up until you know what youre talking about.
rivetgeek 2 years ago
"retarded monkey". Nice, looks like we have another bigot showing his IQ. I always love the rants of a petulant child.
ruckfepublicans 2 years ago
Ad hominem.
You're still wrong, and obviously retarded. And if you think "monkey" has to do with race or religion, maybe YOU are the bigot.
rivetgeek 2 years ago
Right, you're not a bigot and I just need to keep my little black monkey mouth shut.
ruckfepublicans 2 years ago
And just how exactly should I know or care what color you are?
rivetgeek 2 years ago
you know how you figured it out, you silly goose
ruckfepublicans 2 years ago
You know this is the internet right? WE CANT SEE YOU.
rivetgeek 2 years ago
you see me....silly rabbit
ruckfepublicans 2 years ago
Where do you jump? I gotta go with you sometime. It would be about as much fun as watching grass grow.
ruckfepublicans 2 years ago
How about you make your first jump before you start commenting like the idiot you obviously are
rivetgeek 2 years ago
already did, but would love to go with you on your first jump
ruckfepublicans 2 years ago
Sure kiddo, once you get your D license, come talk to me.
rivetgeek 2 years ago
done, let's go, tell me where. You're funny rivetgeek. I like you
ruckfepublicans 2 years ago
Let me guess, you go surfing in 2 foot waves (you know, so it's "safe"). Or snowboard on the bunny slope (you know, so it's "safe"). Or practice MMA and tap out as soon as your opponent breathes on you (you know, so it's "safe"). You thrill seeker, you.....
ruckfepublicans 2 years ago
Let me guess, youve never jumped at all, you thrill seeker you.
rivetgeek 2 years ago
I never jumped without a chute. Maybe one day, just for you. You know what's funny is one of your favorite videos is of people base jumping with wingsuits. Which I agree, it looks amazing and I would love to try it some day, but you are calling me and the guys in this video stupid for pulling at 1500ft. wtf?
ruckfepublicans 2 years ago
You ARE an idiot. A base rig is nothing like a skydiving rig.
rivetgeek 2 years ago
really? so you've done it? what's the difference, explain