"In mainland Europe in Neolithic times - several thousand years before the Romans - birch bark tar was also used as a chewing gum for cleansing teeth, presumably because chewing released some of its constituent compounds."
Also, in Roman Britain this glue was used to fix broken clay pots.
"Looks like I picked the wrong day to stop sniffing glue!"
Oh, that was Leslie Nielsen in the movie Airplane.
That is incredibly impressive! Perhaps a Neanderthal man was watching his fire and he saw this black gunk dripping into the fire from a birch branch? He discovered it was sticky. He worked out that this black glue could be used to attach a spear point to a spear. Then he figured out how to make the glue himself with many trials and many errors.
Making Neanderthals to be just like us is a form of projection. A lot of the assumptions the scientists make are pure speculation. We have no evidence they wore clothes, yet they make these reconstructions showing them with stitched clothing. It's very possible that they evolved to be much hairier than homo sapiens. Most of these reconstructions are fantasy, not science, since they base them not on evidence, but on comparisons to living humans.
Quasifonix, the Neanderthals had to have clothes. They were living in ice age Europe! You try walking around naked when it's 0 degrees Fahrenheit outside.
@AppleSouffle You didn't understand my point. Neanderthals could've been hairy for all we know. We have no solid evidence supporting that they wore clothes. We just assume that they were hairless like homo sapiens because we want to see ourselves in them. We had 600k to a million years of divergent evolution and a mutation for thick body hair would not take long to spread.
And why do Neanderthals ALWAYS have long, shaggy hair? How many modern humans living as hunter-gatherers keep their hair like that? It's extremely impractical, even if you factor in a thermal advantage.
I believe they were to much individualistic (living in small groups, low birth rates, dangerous life style) to compete with Homo Sapiens and to survive the climatic change of this era.
If you watch "Neanderthal" (BBC or Discovery) here on You tube, it protrays Neanderthals as being filthy, with cave heaped with carcass remains, crawling with rats. Yet National Geo. says they are hygenic. Interesting the diffrent info you get from diffrent 'experts".
They are so wrong, leading scientists estimate the universe's age at only around 6000 years old. This must be before the great flood. They also missed the dinosaurs.
No tooth decay? Sounds like they knew rather more about personal hygiene than today's first-world culture can match. Absence of sugar might have helped.
I'm getting conflicting information. Some say Neanderthal man/woman died out because of competition with homosapiens sapiens. Others say there was interbreeding. Will they make their fucking minds up!
Hmmm, it's just that both are classified as human. They take such a similar form. I speculate that had homo sapien not come along then homo neandertal would probably have become what homo sapien is today - i.e, agricultural, industrious, urbanised, with high language and culture, etc. So I just wonder. Of course, though, you are probably right that they didn't interbreed, but I still wonder if they did or if it was possible for them to interbreed despite what you and others say.
@GordonFreeMANness ,Not too sure about that, too many different physical atributes. Neanderthal were the same species as Homo Sapiens why would both the great apes and Neanderthal have SMALLER anterior and posterior semicircular canals with LARGER lateral canals in their inner ear than Homo Sapiens where the reverse is true? This doesn't make sense if they were the same. Did they have different walk/movements from us? Did they scramble up clifts & trees with ease? and move quicker sideways?
'O god and all are research on DNA that shows that Humans can not bread with Neanderthals do to the difference in are DNA is all LIES.. Damn them Scientist. Do your Homework!
Its pointless for me to explain this to some child with no education but hell I be nice and tell you to do a google search and find out the facts. (PS.. Stop acting like a brain-dead Noob!)
If you are to dumb to look up the research, I feel real sorry for you.
Liions and tigers have complete different DNA. They created the Liger. They both of the same family (Felines). Just like Neanderthals and Homo-Sapiens are such as the same famiyl but with different DNA. So they could've breeded. PERIOD!
There's was a great tv series put out by the BBC recently entiled The Incredible Human Journey. In one episode it covered homosapens coming coming out of Africa and moving into homo neandertal areas. It suggested that the greater community of homo sapiens moved homo neandertal to ever more remote areas and that the an onset of cold might also have played a part - homo neandertal needing more food input than homo sapiens apparently because of their build and constitution.
Not that I could tell one DNA sample from another but they have apparently done tests showing no neandertal DNA in modern humans. The Chinese also claimed to be from another line but that too has been apparently proven by studies to be untrue. I do wonder what would have become of neandertal man if homo sapiens hadn't come along.
fuck the zionist muslims hindus sikhs buddhist christians and ignorant anglo saxon mongoloid brainwashed idiots , CONCEPT OF god my foot , love thy nature you numbskulls instead of falsely propagating yer shit and pissed laced religous ideas , DISCUSS GLUE IN HERE IDIOTS THAT THE FACT AND NOT RELIGON , WHO ARE SOME OF THESE IGNORANT OUT HERE ?
i didn't come to this room to discuss god, i came to discuss glue...a little sidetracked but met someone really neat & we went back to our places, if youre just flaming or chat'in then i suggest you do the same. i may seem like a troll, but really all i did was step into a flame war.
now to the "room" as4 glue: i've tried a number of "natural" compounds to join points and fletching to the shaft. i boiled tree-resin and urea with a small amount of water: still strong 11 yrs later.
It seems that little girl is speaking one of the south or east Slavic languages. She shouted : "Pokrij to" which means "Cover it".
I do not know did the directors done it on purpose or it is only pure coincidence which i sincerely doubt but it is disturbing to see that Slavic languages were spoken by Neanderthals. Perhaps the script was written by mister Goebells himself?! Ja, Deutschland uber alles - second take....
. It makes me wonder did the Goebells wrote this screenplay
It seems that little girl is speaking one of the south or east Slavic languages. She shouted : "Pokrij to" which means "Cover it".
I do not know did the directors done it on purpose or it is only pure coincidence which i sincerely doubt but it is disturbing to see that Slavic languages were spoken by Neanderthals. Perhaps the script was written by mister Goebells himself?! Ja, Deutschland uber alles - second take....
. It makes me wonder did the Goebells wrote this screenplay
Check out the part at 4:30 where the man and the woman are snapping at each other like a modern American couple. That seems like a good example of viewing others through our own cultural perspective.
WTF??? In real life Neanderthals would have looked a bit more ugly than that. The teeth look too clean. Their skin colour may have been darker and some had larger brow ridges.
Ahem, people who eat natural things have "clear" teeth. If we urbanites have fucking smelly and yellow teeth is because of our abuse of coffee, tobacco and sugar. Go to Somalia or the Amazon and see how white are the teeth of the natives, despite they may have not use a toothbrush ever.
Second, Neanderthals were natives to Europe, so it makes sense they would be white skinned. Why the hell did you think they should be "darker"?
Light skinned, not white skinned. And it isn't as light as you think it is, because the Sahara didn't exist back then. Sahara began to form 7,000 years ago and became much of what it is today 5,000 years ago. So their skin is a little more Asiatic in appearance.
But it is important to know, "white" people were Asiatic 7,000 years ago and became "white" quite quickly with the rise of the Sahara. The same happened with Kashmir, some Turkic populations, and light skin Khoisan to the far south.
If it was solely by basis of the Equator then, then South Americans would be as dark as Africans. And if it was actually racial, then you should see actual markers to distinguish White and Black people by huge distances in time. There isn't.
@TheRadicalRyushin, Keep telling yourself that, if it makes you sub- humans feel better, but we all know race exists, you light/ white skinned, non-black sub- species come from Neanderthal hYbrids, your NOT the same species as black Afrikans;
Caucasoid Neanderthal are NOT fully human; black Afrikan race has Always been here, we have NO beginning or end, we have souls; put Genetic markers in place; so you soulless caucasoids Neanderthal hYbrids CANNOT racemiX to steal the black identity.
@july95211 You're right. They were white-skinned gingers! HAHA! But! Neanderthals had bigger brains. Their cranial capacity was about 1600 cc. Enjoy your average 1250 cc, you African dog... or pig!
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It would be really funny to see how they cast these actors: "Umm, yeah, so... We needed somebody to play a caveman role, and you were just ugly enough for the job."
I'm sure they knew about dental hygiene, but their diet was much better than ours for teeth. We know all about dental hygiene and we still have massive tooth rot. I like the amount of effort they put into showing emotions when the actors talked, it's such a different spin than older movies like this that it's interesting.
So interesting! It's annoying that people assume that our ancestors (& cousins) would be stupid, since they don't have OUR current technology. We master electronics, just like ancients mastered the natural world.
Making cheese is a complex bio-chemical reaction, using bacteria, temperature ect. It is likely that they wouldn't have been inept creatures.
if someone thinks God is real... then adam and eve are real, right? ok. then why does history books clearly say that the Stone Age and all of that were the 1st people on Earth?I thought this through, and if someone agrees, please tell me.
When Cain killed Able, he was afraid to be cast out of the garden and into the land of Nod, saying "whomever finds me will surely kill me". So god gave him a mark... WHO WAS CAIN AFRAID OF??? The Bible only tells parts of the story. It is an incomplete book.
Hmmm... You're absolutely right. Cain was cast out from *wherever they were*, East, into the land of Nod. And god gave him a mark so that no one would kill him... Who was Cain afraid of? Who would have killed him?
God did know the answers. When you know a child has done something wrong, do you automatically go "you did ___!" in an accusational form? Or would you say, "did you do this?", giving them an opportunity to tell the truth and take responsibility for what they've done? Prehaps a child wouldn't be expected to take responsibility, but certainly they can tell the truth. And Cain was old enough to take that responsibility.
By this point in the bible, there could have been a number of other people around. Just because we aren't specifically told that god made other people between creation and the murder of Abel, doesn't mean he didn't. Imagine the story of the first murder spreading... many might want to kill him.
that's what i was refering to: wordy but not wordy enough...yet here, is the beginning of how man shouldnot treat each other and god protected a murder. he called for 7-fold punishment to whoever killed cain. and lamech assured 77-times the return...sadly cain was a farmer and god cursed farming fore it...but he never said why he had no respect for cains offering...or before that, why is god afraid of us? genesis 3: 22-24.
you decide what you believe, no one can make you believe anything. But take care in deciding what you will acknowledge as a lie and what you acknowledge as the truth. And if there's a lie you are expected to believe, who expects it of you? why do they want you to believe it?
Exodus 13:21 And the LORD went before them by day in a pillar of cloud to lead them along the way, and by night in a pillar of fire to give them light, that they might travel by day and by night.
...That is the description of an alien space craft.
I choose to believe the Sumerian depiction of Enki and Enlil, as described by Zecharia Sitchin in "The 12th Planet".
I'm not entirely sure how you perceive that to be the description of an alien space craft.... but ok. So do you actually, as this suggests to me, believe what the bible says?
Incomplete... only because it doesn't tell you everything? What book have you ever read that tells you every little aspect of the story? We don't have to know everything.
We are talking about a book that claims to have all the answers. Claims need to withstand scrutiny. If it cannot stand up to all scrutiny then the claim becomes irrelevant.
It may not directly answer every question we ask. The bible is not a crystal ball of fortune. But what it does say helps us to find the answers to questions and make our decisions, but again, not specific things that demand every detail of an irrelevant topic. But it certainly has something to say about the major and important issues.
Actually, the stone age and bronze age and the other material ages may not have actually been seperate ages. There is evidence in the bible that the first humans actually worked metals and stone in the same period, and different kinds of metal too. So they had to have known how to forge and use the metals. But remember that many history books will not take into thought biblical accounts.
ugh, gods-people are like aliens and the rest of us evolved? WTF? your saying all these ages existed at the same time? right now i use 1/2 million dollar lasers, plastic, aluminum, steel, iron, brass, and still find time to knap (chip-stone)...i imagin four thousand someodd yrsago they'd be using the available combo...how'd they make the glue? aliens gave it to them...no, they thought really-hard about sticky. sap hardens with urea and heat, givit time and its gone. whatelse is sticky, brain
I didn't mean to imply that anyone is an alien or evolved... Hope I didn't anger you. I don't know if all theses ages existed at the same time, I'm not an omniscient god, but we do have evidence that the differente materials were used in the same time as others.
Morality does is not "derived solely from religion". If 7539518524 abandoned his or her faith in what he/she believes, then would their morals not also change? A person's morals are derived from what they believe and what they put their faith in. faith is not strictly a religious term. What a person believes to be right and wrong is how they make moral decisions. To abandon one's faith all the way around and take on an opposite faith is to also change one's morals.
You just know those women are complaining about how their men DON'T talk to them anymore, they just go out to the tar pits with their buddies and hunt sloths. The one sewing is probably already cheating on her husband, making their daughters depression sink to worse and worse levels. Which is understandable, given the pressure that young girls in that time had to fit in, get the expensive rocks to wear, and have a popular boyfriend to walk around with at school.
Everything in the scientific method argues for order or design from a cause. Not one instance of order from unguided chaos has been set forth as evidence. Their argument defies all human reason. For one reason -- they don't want to deal with a Personal Designer."
omnipotence is an intersting topic, part of me wants to believe even after everything I have been exposed too, god is chaos, where satan is beautiful order, but part of me say's where's the proof? god spoke to #'s people in the bible and if other religions have a basis in similar theologic roots gods have spoken with many many people, so why can't they respond me? It seems far more likely that thresholds were reached and change came about randomly. No multiple universe, no divine intelligence.
Considering that they had brains larger than ours and had several pieces of evidence showing that they had progressed quickly and as intelligently as our Homo Sapien ancestors did it makes one wonder how ours Species competed against them.
Neanderthals were one credited with making musical instruments, but it was later determined that the "flute" was just a punctured bone. It's entirely possible this "glue" was also just a fluke, accidentally created in a fire pit and none of the tribe knew it. For some reason people, me included like to imagine Neanderthals as more than they were. Unless it is proven that Neanderthals used their glue repeatedly, don't get your hopes up.
I am referring to fluted points, as to the bone-flute that sounds ify. I thought the same thing you did about the glue in the fire bit, and thought that if I were producing a number of these spears in the same spot seasonally, I would only take the finest spear and leave the rejects. I'd probably pick up the rejects and examine them before I started making new ones. If I noticed and could remember and duplicate it I'd have discovered a new tool or process. Repeatedly? No special schools?
evolution has been discredited numerous times with VERY good examples. in many cases, it is simply an impossible alternative. it could not have happened. i agree with 7539518524 entirely. they have a very good point.
7539518524 mentioned one of these examples already. the giraffe is one of the better ones. Ever stop to wonder what happens when a giraffe goes to get a drink? they're so tall, to get their blood up that long neck of theirs they need to have a very strong heart to pump against gravity. in fact it's about 2 feet long and weighs 25 pounds. now when the giraffe bends down to get a drink, suddenly this massive pump is working WITH gravity, sending lots of blood rushing to its head.
(contd...) if the VERY FIRST giraffe did not have these valves in its neck, it would have died and therefore not have been around to reproduce, and then you have an extinct species. So the giraffe had to have then what it has now, or it wouldn't be here today. It could not have evolved. That's just one animal proving this point.
what if the first giraffe was onlt slightly different from a horse, and successively grew a centimeter per offspring by mating with the largest mate, then there wouldn't be a problem getting blood or water: what you're saying is that animals are like machines and if you remove a part the machine cannot work.
So what about the bacteria that feed on nylon? They couldn't survive before the 20th century because Nylon itself didn't exist until we invented it.
What about a species of mold that feeds off of extremely high levels of radiation only found at and around Chernobyl? That couldn't have existed anywhere else on earth before the accident.
There are other examples, I would like to see how you would refute them.
No one argues about evolution within the species. Now when you show me a gazelle that gives birth to a species of mold found only at Chernobyl, I'll pay attention. I will show you mold, however, from the graves of the ancient Egyptians.
Evolution doesn't work that way - there is absolutely no credibility to a statement that suggests that a different species emerges full-formed from a previous one.
The mold, however, is a new species. It did not exist (and could not - no natural environment has radiation levels that high) before Chernobyl, and it evolved in response to the high radiation levels, which it now feeds on for energy. This is an example of radiation.
One thing we know from the example you have given, is that we are dealing with mold, not monkey hair, or corn tassels. In fact, you gave it a name, mold, from a known genus. There is also a moss thriving on the radio active materials. But it is still within the genus, moss, and was known prior to Chernobyl. There is absolutely no evidence in scientific literature that your mold is not a mutation. In fact, everything would argue in that direction.
Could you give me a source regarding moss that absorbs radiation? Remember that the mold discovered at Chernobyl could not have survived in any other environment, that's why it's scientifically interesting.
Of course the mold is a mutation - that's how new species arise, by consecutive mutations over time. What could it possibly if not a mutation?
what if it possesed genes that were recessive until rexposed to the radiation, then it wouldn't be new, it could by all accounts be unrecognizable because the radiation gene is connected to cell structure or another physical identifier. Everything is a mutation.
I'm not athiest, I feel left out of the almighty-conversation at times, but am I scared that this being is vengeful: if it created me then it can do whatever it likes with me: like me or dispose of me: we all die anyways.
"am I scared that this being is vengeful: if it created me then it can do whatever it likes with me: like me or dispose of me: we all die anyways."
Athiests don't feel this way - that's why people shouldn't just accuse atheists of being afraid of God, t.hey really aren't. Trust me on this, I know a few. ;)
"what if it possesed genes that were recessive until exposed to the radiation, then it wouldn't be new, it could by all accounts be unrecognizable"
It's still an example of natural selection in action. The genes that form the radiation-absorbing pigment allow it to survive (and thrive) where life without the mutation died off. Remember that new species are just successive mutations in order to adapt to an environment.
It's more likely that the genes were created by a random mutation (during genetic mutations genes can be copied, added, or removed) accelerated by the presence of high levels of radiation. The vast majority of the mutations would have killed the mold but one mutation was beneficial. Over time the life form with the beneficial mutation survived and reproduced, while the ones without it died out completely. That's how natural selection works.
um, i think we're on the same page, just reading the wrong paragraphs...
i'm not saying you are athiest, or them being afraid of god, gods followers and his followers enimies are afraid. (or something like that anyways): i'll carefully try to avoid death and live my life to its fullest for now, thanks.
we could gointo feedback loops, geno/phenotype plasticity or polyphenism, accliation, adaption, drift or founder effects. should we try to figure out the proximate or ultimate cause?
"we could gointo feedback loops, geno/phenotype plasticity or polyphenism, accliation, adaption, drift or founder effects."
Unfortunately I'm not terribly well-read regarding the specifics of generic mutations. If I were to debate it I'd probably have to check a few books out of my university's library first. ;)
best place to start...basement and work youre way up, revisit each floor at least once a semester...whats youre major (if you don't mind) [ME: Environmental Geology & Ecology, statistics & environmental ethics]
No problem at all - I'm a Computer Science major. A bit detached from biology on the surface, but my favorite category in the field is distributed artificial intelligence. As such I do a fair amount of research regarding primitive organisms, genetics, and how and why lifeforms behave the way they do.
Evolution works through mutation. Some of the mutations do not work for example in the said environment of Chernobyl, so a new invidual born without a certain mutation which makes possible for it to endure the radiation, does not survive. There are positive and neutral mutations as well, not only negative ones. And the environment where the mutation happens in, is the judge if the new mutation is useful or not.
how can u say wizard of oz manfest, that wizard claimed to be greater then he was, God does not. He is great, he made this universe. We didn't get here from random chance its impossible, everything is to finely tuned for it to be random. There's an inteligent deisgner, and almost all scientist are abandoning the unlogical theory of evo. because it has no factual base and just isn't logical. Go look at animals and tell me they got here from evo, look at the woodpecker, giraffe,bombadier beetle
which woodpecker? there's several in my neighborhood. As for giraffes and horseshoe crabs their cousins may have died out but the beetles flurish. I think you mean "improbable" because chance and random occur in logical fashions. As for an intelligent designer? I think you mean "dark matter" the force and energy we cannot explain yet. As for the wizard bit? Think satelight-hologram and how many people would believe instantly? As for scientist abandoing evolution? Name some.
7539518524: You've got to cast away those crutches of faith and stand on your own logos. It will take courage, but make the leap to atheism for one day. Don't be afraid, it'll be okay and you'll feel smarter and more free. Now, however, you sadly are rejecting the most important idea ever thought. "Climbing Mt. Improbable" might be a good book to read.
if 7539518524 casts away "those crutches of faith" as you call them, then he or she will have, essentially, no faith to lean on. if one has no faith to lean on, then why not just cast aside all morality and do as he or she wishes? it is these "crutches of faith" that give this world we live in moral order and values. And if you're asking this of 7539518224, then why not take your own advice and make the leap to creationsim for a day? you may feel like you have a point to your life. I DARE YOU.
"then why not just cast aside all morality and do as he or she wishes?"
Morality exists in plenty of non-religious societies for sociological reasons.
The vast majority of things that a society considers "bad" are so because they are generally harmful to the society as a whole (especially if everyone did them).
If morality is derived solely from religion instead of the rational rule of law, things like the Spanish Inquisition or the Crusades become commonplace.
"if one has no faith to lean on, then why not just cast aside all morality and do as he or she wishes? it is these 'crutches of faith' that give this world we live in moral order and values."
Would seem to suggest - quite explicitly - that morality is derived entirely from religion.
Notice! XENOS IS A FAKE GOD. Come on people this stuff has been found by "us" to be proven as factually in exsistance as the layers of the earth have been moving for millions of years. Just because some "Chimp in a Suit" (not Bush] Doesn't want us to believe different, OFW. BTW Darwin Rules! Is this the New Dark Ages?
these ugly beings never existed, its all a deciet ! humans have been humans since they were created, and we have always been civilised. National Geographic is stupid
hmm...neanderthals hunted, fished, painted and ......played....hmmm
longfootbuddy 9 months ago
they talk like CHUCKA haha XD
sgtsn1per 1 year ago
but did they sniff the glue?
ThisIsMyDeen 1 year ago 7
@ThisIsMyDeen LOL
PantheraAtrox 1 year ago
"In mainland Europe in Neolithic times - several thousand years before the Romans - birch bark tar was also used as a chewing gum for cleansing teeth, presumably because chewing released some of its constituent compounds."
Also, in Roman Britain this glue was used to fix broken clay pots.
Anastasiaology 1 year ago
What did they do with that glue?
Anastasiaology 1 year ago
"Looks like I picked the wrong day to stop sniffing glue!"
Oh, that was Leslie Nielsen in the movie Airplane.
That is incredibly impressive! Perhaps a Neanderthal man was watching his fire and he saw this black gunk dripping into the fire from a birch branch? He discovered it was sticky. He worked out that this black glue could be used to attach a spear point to a spear. Then he figured out how to make the glue himself with many trials and many errors.
Behold! The world's first glue!
AppleSouffle 1 year ago
Making Neanderthals to be just like us is a form of projection. A lot of the assumptions the scientists make are pure speculation. We have no evidence they wore clothes, yet they make these reconstructions showing them with stitched clothing. It's very possible that they evolved to be much hairier than homo sapiens. Most of these reconstructions are fantasy, not science, since they base them not on evidence, but on comparisons to living humans.
Quasifonix 1 year ago
Quasifonix, the Neanderthals had to have clothes. They were living in ice age Europe! You try walking around naked when it's 0 degrees Fahrenheit outside.
AppleSouffle 1 year ago
@AppleSouffle You didn't understand my point. Neanderthals could've been hairy for all we know. We have no solid evidence supporting that they wore clothes. We just assume that they were hairless like homo sapiens because we want to see ourselves in them. We had 600k to a million years of divergent evolution and a mutation for thick body hair would not take long to spread.
Quasifonix 1 year ago
@Quasifonix hmmmm clothes of leather and furs were found on them... that's why it's deduced they lacked the sufficient hair to survive in the cold.
luciferiexcelsil 1 year ago
@luciferiexcelsil They've never found clothes on Neanderthals. You're just making shit up. You think clothes survived for 30,000 years?!
Quasifonix 1 year ago
@Quasifonix yes, they have, not fresh, but they've found animal hair fibres and such on them, pointing that they used animals skins as clothing...
luciferiexcelsil 1 year ago
Pokrito! pokrito!
Why are these re-constructions always so corny?
And why do Neanderthals ALWAYS have long, shaggy hair? How many modern humans living as hunter-gatherers keep their hair like that? It's extremely impractical, even if you factor in a thermal advantage.
ymirfrostgiant 1 year ago
@ymirfrostgiant
They didn't have tools to cut their hair, so it grew long.
MiracleKD18 1 year ago
they were neanderthal cum.
ltlwatcher 1 year ago
They look like Mexican Chinese people.
nazbites 1 year ago
Neanderthals are still around right? I see them on TV in the caveman commercials...
movieguystarraisin 1 year ago
I believe they were to much individualistic (living in small groups, low birth rates, dangerous life style) to compete with Homo Sapiens and to survive the climatic change of this era.
HomoGnosticus 2 years ago
Sort of sad, They were intelligent people but their techniques of survival were just not up to snuff and that is why they got slowly replaced.
Albacorewing 2 years ago
F^cking commercials
buckfushes 2 years ago
They lived 250,000 years longer on this Earth than us, so they did pretty good.
truvelocity 2 years ago
if they made glue from birch trees, this means they lived in a thickly wooded area.
acerb45666555 2 years ago
If you watch "Neanderthal" (BBC or Discovery) here on You tube, it protrays Neanderthals as being filthy, with cave heaped with carcass remains, crawling with rats. Yet National Geo. says they are hygenic. Interesting the diffrent info you get from diffrent 'experts".
earscar 2 years ago
LOL, good point, they being nomadic probually didn't care too much about their living quarters after a time.
Much like college kids and their dorms. ;)
PantheraAtrox 2 years ago
Central American mayas did create some kind of glue which they used for teeth, like our modern dentist.
They glued fine jade pieces to their teeth, probably for decorative purposes.
KronprinzAdam 2 years ago
They are so wrong, leading scientists estimate the universe's age at only around 6000 years old. This must be before the great flood. They also missed the dinosaurs.
raunchbear 2 years ago
Hygiene is instinctive. Even cats clean themselves.
narrator1982 2 years ago
they were probably smarter then us.
MysteryChocolate 2 years ago
'It is true they had a little larger brains than the homo Sapeans had.
Darkphoenix3450 2 years ago
No tooth decay? Sounds like they knew rather more about personal hygiene than today's first-world culture can match. Absence of sugar might have helped.
USRefugee 2 years ago
I'm getting conflicting information. Some say Neanderthal man/woman died out because of competition with homosapiens sapiens. Others say there was interbreeding. Will they make their fucking minds up!
deliciousonionsoup 2 years ago
It is a fact that man and Neanderthal can not breed with eachother. Are DNA is to different.
Darkphoenix3450 2 years ago
Hmmm, it's just that both are classified as human. They take such a similar form. I speculate that had homo sapien not come along then homo neandertal would probably have become what homo sapien is today - i.e, agricultural, industrious, urbanised, with high language and culture, etc. So I just wonder. Of course, though, you are probably right that they didn't interbreed, but I still wonder if they did or if it was possible for them to interbreed despite what you and others say.
deliciousonionsoup 2 years ago
If they did I wonder if the offspring was sterile like mules.
PantheraAtrox 2 years ago
@PantheraAtrox Cro-Magnons and Neanderthals are the same species. They could easily have multiple sexual intercourses with each other. Multiple.
GordonFreeMANness 6 months ago
@GordonFreeMANness ,Not too sure about that, too many different physical atributes. Neanderthal were the same species as Homo Sapiens why would both the great apes and Neanderthal have SMALLER anterior and posterior semicircular canals with LARGER lateral canals in their inner ear than Homo Sapiens where the reverse is true? This doesn't make sense if they were the same. Did they have different walk/movements from us? Did they scramble up clifts & trees with ease? and move quicker sideways?
PantheraAtrox 6 months ago
Reading your post causes me to wonder if Neanderthal man did survive to the present, after all.
tech2rescue 2 years ago
fuck you the neanderthal can breed whit eachother you just don have seen the skelton tht was half human and half neanderthal fucking dum ass
fytetr 2 years ago
'O god and all are research on DNA that shows that Humans can not bread with Neanderthals do to the difference in are DNA is all LIES.. Damn them Scientist. Do your Homework!
Its pointless for me to explain this to some child with no education but hell I be nice and tell you to do a google search and find out the facts. (PS.. Stop acting like a brain-dead Noob!)
If you are to dumb to look up the research, I feel real sorry for you.
Darkphoenix3450 2 years ago
Liions and tigers have complete different DNA. They created the Liger. They both of the same family (Felines). Just like Neanderthals and Homo-Sapiens are such as the same famiyl but with different DNA. So they could've breeded. PERIOD!
SniperViper1000 2 years ago
'Neanderthals was as far apart from us as Lizards are to Snakes. Are you saying Snakes and Lizards are able to mate?
Darkphoenix3450 2 years ago
I love how the neanderthals are going booga-booga in English accents.
TheSanityInspector 2 years ago
I just really wonder how they developed lanuage
houndoom1234 3 years ago 2
Same as homo sapiens sapiens I guess.
deliciousonionsoup 2 years ago 2
still...
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lifeisrapislife 3 years ago
i wonder what the people of them times would think if they saw today's world...
mattyr2k8 3 years ago 3
@mattyr2k8 They would think we are idiots, for convincing ourselves we are happy being so obviously unhappy.
chemudas 11 months ago
gotta love those neanderthals
riffrandell64 3 years ago
There's was a great tv series put out by the BBC recently entiled The Incredible Human Journey. In one episode it covered homosapens coming coming out of Africa and moving into homo neandertal areas. It suggested that the greater community of homo sapiens moved homo neandertal to ever more remote areas and that the an onset of cold might also have played a part - homo neandertal needing more food input than homo sapiens apparently because of their build and constitution.
deliciousonionsoup 2 years ago
they look german and they sound german i tink Neanderthal are germans ancestors
25berkan 3 years ago
Not that I could tell one DNA sample from another but they have apparently done tests showing no neandertal DNA in modern humans. The Chinese also claimed to be from another line but that too has been apparently proven by studies to be untrue. I do wonder what would have become of neandertal man if homo sapiens hadn't come along.
deliciousonionsoup 2 years ago
fuck the zionist muslims hindus sikhs buddhist christians and ignorant anglo saxon mongoloid brainwashed idiots , CONCEPT OF god my foot , love thy nature you numbskulls instead of falsely propagating yer shit and pissed laced religous ideas , DISCUSS GLUE IN HERE IDIOTS THAT THE FACT AND NOT RELIGON , WHO ARE SOME OF THESE IGNORANT OUT HERE ?
inderneil 3 years ago
"fuck the zionist muslims hindus sikhs buddhist christians and ignorant anglo saxon mongoloid brainwashed idiots , CONCEPT OF god my foot..."
Have you had a bad hair day?
deliciousonionsoup 2 years ago
i didn't come to this room to discuss god, i came to discuss glue...a little sidetracked but met someone really neat & we went back to our places, if youre just flaming or chat'in then i suggest you do the same. i may seem like a troll, but really all i did was step into a flame war.
now to the "room" as4 glue: i've tried a number of "natural" compounds to join points and fletching to the shaft. i boiled tree-resin and urea with a small amount of water: still strong 11 yrs later.
illeatu2 3 years ago
you're not a troll :)
(a flame war?)
flameweaverX 3 years ago
It seems that little girl is speaking one of the south or east Slavic languages. She shouted : "Pokrij to" which means "Cover it".
I do not know did the directors done it on purpose or it is only pure coincidence which i sincerely doubt but it is disturbing to see that Slavic languages were spoken by Neanderthals. Perhaps the script was written by mister Goebells himself?! Ja, Deutschland uber alles - second take....
. It makes me wonder did the Goebells wrote this screenplay
Highlanderxcit 3 years ago
It seems that little girl is speaking one of the south or east Slavic languages. She shouted : "Pokrij to" which means "Cover it".
I do not know did the directors done it on purpose or it is only pure coincidence which i sincerely doubt but it is disturbing to see that Slavic languages were spoken by Neanderthals. Perhaps the script was written by mister Goebells himself?! Ja, Deutschland uber alles - second take....
. It makes me wonder did the Goebells wrote this screenplay
Highlanderxcit 3 years ago
What did they do with the glue after they made it? Did they put it in a plastic bag and pass it around the cave and inhale the glue fumes?
ClamLuvr 3 years ago
Check out the part at 4:30 where the man and the woman are snapping at each other like a modern American couple. That seems like a good example of viewing others through our own cultural perspective.
ClamLuvr 3 years ago
Pókrito! Sounds like "Hipócrito" in Spanish, which means "false-faced"...lol
kurwinsky 3 years ago
WTF??? In real life Neanderthals would have looked a bit more ugly than that. The teeth look too clean. Their skin colour may have been darker and some had larger brow ridges.
PPL were talking 30,000 - 250,000 years ago
ZionNeo1 3 years ago
Ahem, people who eat natural things have "clear" teeth. If we urbanites have fucking smelly and yellow teeth is because of our abuse of coffee, tobacco and sugar. Go to Somalia or the Amazon and see how white are the teeth of the natives, despite they may have not use a toothbrush ever.
Second, Neanderthals were natives to Europe, so it makes sense they would be white skinned. Why the hell did you think they should be "darker"?
Nobodywantsme 3 years ago 7
Light skinned, not white skinned. And it isn't as light as you think it is, because the Sahara didn't exist back then. Sahara began to form 7,000 years ago and became much of what it is today 5,000 years ago. So their skin is a little more Asiatic in appearance.
But it is important to know, "white" people were Asiatic 7,000 years ago and became "white" quite quickly with the rise of the Sahara. The same happened with Kashmir, some Turkic populations, and light skin Khoisan to the far south.
TheRadicalRyushin 1 year ago
Skin color comes from two matters.
1) Location from the Equator
2) Location from the desert.
If it was solely by basis of the Equator then, then South Americans would be as dark as Africans. And if it was actually racial, then you should see actual markers to distinguish White and Black people by huge distances in time. There isn't.
So skin color is entirely geographic, not racial.
TheRadicalRyushin 1 year ago
@TheRadicalRyushin, Keep telling yourself that, if it makes you sub- humans feel better, but we all know race exists, you light/ white skinned, non-black sub- species come from Neanderthal hYbrids, your NOT the same species as black Afrikans;
Caucasoid Neanderthal are NOT fully human; black Afrikan race has Always been here, we have NO beginning or end, we have souls; put Genetic markers in place; so you soulless caucasoids Neanderthal hYbrids CANNOT racemiX to steal the black identity.
july95211 1 year ago
@july95211 You're right. They were white-skinned gingers! HAHA! But! Neanderthals had bigger brains. Their cranial capacity was about 1600 cc. Enjoy your average 1250 cc, you African dog... or pig!
GordonFreeMANness 6 months ago
@Nobodywantsme they may have had skin that was PURELY white, like a white tigers...
Tazy50 1 year ago
@Tazy50 , or how about something totally diifferent that's not found in living populations like grey skin?
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MyCokeReward101 3 years ago
TOo bad for them...we rule the earth now ^_^
rl0u8888 3 years ago
It would be really funny to see how they cast these actors: "Umm, yeah, so... We needed somebody to play a caveman role, and you were just ugly enough for the job."
MastaRikta 3 years ago 3
I'm sure they knew about dental hygiene, but their diet was much better than ours for teeth. We know all about dental hygiene and we still have massive tooth rot. I like the amount of effort they put into showing emotions when the actors talked, it's such a different spin than older movies like this that it's interesting.
renalic 3 years ago
were they speaking in welsh?
arnisss 3 years ago 5
LOL
Jongbonk 3 years ago
So interesting! It's annoying that people assume that our ancestors (& cousins) would be stupid, since they don't have OUR current technology. We master electronics, just like ancients mastered the natural world.
Making cheese is a complex bio-chemical reaction, using bacteria, temperature ect. It is likely that they wouldn't have been inept creatures.
redeemer1kamili 3 years ago
Neanderthals were not our ancestors. They were a genitec dead end.
WyattKaldenberg 3 years ago
ok....
if someone thinks God is real... then adam and eve are real, right? ok. then why does history books clearly say that the Stone Age and all of that were the 1st people on Earth?I thought this through, and if someone agrees, please tell me.
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insanepeng 3 years ago
When Cain killed Able, he was afraid to be cast out of the garden and into the land of Nod, saying "whomever finds me will surely kill me". So god gave him a mark... WHO WAS CAIN AFRAID OF??? The Bible only tells parts of the story. It is an incomplete book.
greezyc 3 years ago
Lilith i better. =p
MossMaskface 3 years ago
greezyc, What in creation are you talking about? Cain and Able were never in the Garden of Eden.
ClamLuvr 3 years ago
Hmmm... You're absolutely right. Cain was cast out from *wherever they were*, East, into the land of Nod. And god gave him a mark so that no one would kill him... Who was Cain afraid of? Who would have killed him?
greezyc 3 years ago
And how's this for an omniscient god. 9And the LORD said unto Cain, "Where is Abel thy brother?" And he said, "I know not. Am I my brother's keeper?"
10And He said, "What hast thou done?
...Shouldn't an all knowing god know the answers?
greezyc 3 years ago
God did know the answers. When you know a child has done something wrong, do you automatically go "you did ___!" in an accusational form? Or would you say, "did you do this?", giving them an opportunity to tell the truth and take responsibility for what they've done? Prehaps a child wouldn't be expected to take responsibility, but certainly they can tell the truth. And Cain was old enough to take that responsibility.
flameweaverX 3 years ago
By this point in the bible, there could have been a number of other people around. Just because we aren't specifically told that god made other people between creation and the murder of Abel, doesn't mean he didn't. Imagine the story of the first murder spreading... many might want to kill him.
flameweaverX 3 years ago
that's what i was refering to: wordy but not wordy enough...yet here, is the beginning of how man shouldnot treat each other and god protected a murder. he called for 7-fold punishment to whoever killed cain. and lamech assured 77-times the return...sadly cain was a farmer and god cursed farming fore it...but he never said why he had no respect for cains offering...or before that, why is god afraid of us? genesis 3: 22-24.
illeatu2 3 years ago
God wasn't afraid of them, but who wants a sinful man having power that reaches that of a sinless god?
flameweaverX 3 years ago
Yeah right, next thing you'll say is the world was created 6000 years ago and carbon dating is the work of the devil.
greezyc 3 years ago 2
actually, I wasn't really planning on it... :) But really, since when do we need to know everything?
flameweaverX 3 years ago
Who's going to decide which lies we are expected to believe?
greezyc 3 years ago
you decide what you believe, no one can make you believe anything. But take care in deciding what you will acknowledge as a lie and what you acknowledge as the truth. And if there's a lie you are expected to believe, who expects it of you? why do they want you to believe it?
flameweaverX 3 years ago
Exodus 13:21 And the LORD went before them by day in a pillar of cloud to lead them along the way, and by night in a pillar of fire to give them light, that they might travel by day and by night.
...That is the description of an alien space craft.
I choose to believe the Sumerian depiction of Enki and Enlil, as described by Zecharia Sitchin in "The 12th Planet".
greezyc 3 years ago
I'm not entirely sure how you perceive that to be the description of an alien space craft.... but ok. So do you actually, as this suggests to me, believe what the bible says?
flameweaverX 3 years ago
Incomplete... only because it doesn't tell you everything? What book have you ever read that tells you every little aspect of the story? We don't have to know everything.
flameweaverX 3 years ago
We are talking about a book that claims to have all the answers. Claims need to withstand scrutiny. If it cannot stand up to all scrutiny then the claim becomes irrelevant.
greezyc 3 years ago
It may not directly answer every question we ask. The bible is not a crystal ball of fortune. But what it does say helps us to find the answers to questions and make our decisions, but again, not specific things that demand every detail of an irrelevant topic. But it certainly has something to say about the major and important issues.
flameweaverX 3 years ago
Actually, the stone age and bronze age and the other material ages may not have actually been seperate ages. There is evidence in the bible that the first humans actually worked metals and stone in the same period, and different kinds of metal too. So they had to have known how to forge and use the metals. But remember that many history books will not take into thought biblical accounts.
flameweaverX 3 years ago
ugh, gods-people are like aliens and the rest of us evolved? WTF? your saying all these ages existed at the same time? right now i use 1/2 million dollar lasers, plastic, aluminum, steel, iron, brass, and still find time to knap (chip-stone)...i imagin four thousand someodd yrsago they'd be using the available combo...how'd they make the glue? aliens gave it to them...no, they thought really-hard about sticky. sap hardens with urea and heat, givit time and its gone. whatelse is sticky, brain
illeatu2 3 years ago
I didn't mean to imply that anyone is an alien or evolved... Hope I didn't anger you. I don't know if all theses ages existed at the same time, I'm not an omniscient god, but we do have evidence that the differente materials were used in the same time as others.
flameweaverX 3 years ago
awesome
Throatjab 3 years ago
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MA5T3RB 3 years ago
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ok so they say that sum cave menz waz smartur than us lol?!?!?! wtf?!
hahapwned84 3 years ago
Neanderthal Man has Outsmarted modern Scientists?
ComputerNerd1993 3 years ago 2
what did they use the glue for?
quadfin1234 3 years ago
I like the part where the caveman makes glue.
eggbertsmith 3 years ago
"Pokriy to!" - it means cover it in slavic languages. Neanderthals were russian! :)
oldpiq 3 years ago 2
lol how nice of you ;)
flameweaverX 3 years ago
Morality does is not "derived solely from religion". If 7539518524 abandoned his or her faith in what he/she believes, then would their morals not also change? A person's morals are derived from what they believe and what they put their faith in. faith is not strictly a religious term. What a person believes to be right and wrong is how they make moral decisions. To abandon one's faith all the way around and take on an opposite faith is to also change one's morals.
flameweaverX 3 years ago
Ah, I understand better now. When you said "faith" I took that to mean exclusively religious faith, not faith in general. My mistake.
thepsion5 3 years ago
it's all goood :)
flameweaverX 3 years ago
they can make glue out of plants or such that may be exstink now. back then it could be plentyful back then
chriskirby3 3 years ago
why would the plants have to be extinct? what is if was something simple and forgotten?
illeatu2 3 years ago
You just know those women are complaining about how their men DON'T talk to them anymore, they just go out to the tar pits with their buddies and hunt sloths. The one sewing is probably already cheating on her husband, making their daughters depression sink to worse and worse levels. Which is understandable, given the pressure that young girls in that time had to fit in, get the expensive rocks to wear, and have a popular boyfriend to walk around with at school.
bduser 3 years ago 2
Everything in the scientific method argues for order or design from a cause. Not one instance of order from unguided chaos has been set forth as evidence. Their argument defies all human reason. For one reason -- they don't want to deal with a Personal Designer."
Quoted by a very inteligent man, Dr. Ken Wackes
7539518524 3 years ago
omnipotence is an intersting topic, part of me wants to believe even after everything I have been exposed too, god is chaos, where satan is beautiful order, but part of me say's where's the proof? god spoke to #'s people in the bible and if other religions have a basis in similar theologic roots gods have spoken with many many people, so why can't they respond me? It seems far more likely that thresholds were reached and change came about randomly. No multiple universe, no divine intelligence.
illeatu2 3 years ago
Considering that they had brains larger than ours and had several pieces of evidence showing that they had progressed quickly and as intelligently as our Homo Sapien ancestors did it makes one wonder how ours Species competed against them.
moalisiddiqui 3 years ago
AWESOME@
aznjonnyboy95 3 years ago
Neanderthals were one credited with making musical instruments, but it was later determined that the "flute" was just a punctured bone. It's entirely possible this "glue" was also just a fluke, accidentally created in a fire pit and none of the tribe knew it. For some reason people, me included like to imagine Neanderthals as more than they were. Unless it is proven that Neanderthals used their glue repeatedly, don't get your hopes up.
xKCBEx 3 years ago
I am referring to fluted points, as to the bone-flute that sounds ify. I thought the same thing you did about the glue in the fire bit, and thought that if I were producing a number of these spears in the same spot seasonally, I would only take the finest spear and leave the rejects. I'd probably pick up the rejects and examine them before I started making new ones. If I noticed and could remember and duplicate it I'd have discovered a new tool or process. Repeatedly? No special schools?
illeatu2 3 years ago
of course i'm off by about 36,500 years placing clovis into neanderthal hands...duh go to sleep!
illeatu2 3 years ago
they became italians
roadracer517 3 years ago 2
LMAO
Grhino3321 3 years ago
well, it seems that we were superior at surviving. Poor cousins.
maximus0032 3 years ago
evolution has been discredited numerous times with VERY good examples. in many cases, it is simply an impossible alternative. it could not have happened. i agree with 7539518524 entirely. they have a very good point.
flameweaverX 3 years ago
I'd like to hear one of those "VERY good examples."
Evolution occurs at the subatomic level, atoms evolve, chemicals evolve; micro to macroevolution where people and stars evolve.
Intelligent design is wrong.
illeatu2 3 years ago
7539518524 mentioned one of these examples already. the giraffe is one of the better ones. Ever stop to wonder what happens when a giraffe goes to get a drink? they're so tall, to get their blood up that long neck of theirs they need to have a very strong heart to pump against gravity. in fact it's about 2 feet long and weighs 25 pounds. now when the giraffe bends down to get a drink, suddenly this massive pump is working WITH gravity, sending lots of blood rushing to its head.
flameweaverX 3 years ago
(contd...) if the VERY FIRST giraffe did not have these valves in its neck, it would have died and therefore not have been around to reproduce, and then you have an extinct species. So the giraffe had to have then what it has now, or it wouldn't be here today. It could not have evolved. That's just one animal proving this point.
flameweaverX 3 years ago
what if the first giraffe was onlt slightly different from a horse, and successively grew a centimeter per offspring by mating with the largest mate, then there wouldn't be a problem getting blood or water: what you're saying is that animals are like machines and if you remove a part the machine cannot work.
illeatu2 3 years ago
So what about the bacteria that feed on nylon? They couldn't survive before the 20th century because Nylon itself didn't exist until we invented it.
What about a species of mold that feeds off of extremely high levels of radiation only found at and around Chernobyl? That couldn't have existed anywhere else on earth before the accident.
There are other examples, I would like to see how you would refute them.
thepsion5 3 years ago
No one argues about evolution within the species. Now when you show me a gazelle that gives birth to a species of mold found only at Chernobyl, I'll pay attention. I will show you mold, however, from the graves of the ancient Egyptians.
ajiitai 3 years ago
Evolution doesn't work that way - there is absolutely no credibility to a statement that suggests that a different species emerges full-formed from a previous one.
The mold, however, is a new species. It did not exist (and could not - no natural environment has radiation levels that high) before Chernobyl, and it evolved in response to the high radiation levels, which it now feeds on for energy. This is an example of radiation.
thepsion5 3 years ago
One thing we know from the example you have given, is that we are dealing with mold, not monkey hair, or corn tassels. In fact, you gave it a name, mold, from a known genus. There is also a moss thriving on the radio active materials. But it is still within the genus, moss, and was known prior to Chernobyl. There is absolutely no evidence in scientific literature that your mold is not a mutation. In fact, everything would argue in that direction.
ajiitai 3 years ago 2
Could you give me a source regarding moss that absorbs radiation? Remember that the mold discovered at Chernobyl could not have survived in any other environment, that's why it's scientifically interesting.
Of course the mold is a mutation - that's how new species arise, by consecutive mutations over time. What could it possibly if not a mutation?
thepsion5 3 years ago
what if it possesed genes that were recessive until rexposed to the radiation, then it wouldn't be new, it could by all accounts be unrecognizable because the radiation gene is connected to cell structure or another physical identifier. Everything is a mutation.
I'm not athiest, I feel left out of the almighty-conversation at times, but am I scared that this being is vengeful: if it created me then it can do whatever it likes with me: like me or dispose of me: we all die anyways.
illeatu2 3 years ago
"am I scared that this being is vengeful: if it created me then it can do whatever it likes with me: like me or dispose of me: we all die anyways."
Athiests don't feel this way - that's why people shouldn't just accuse atheists of being afraid of God, t.hey really aren't. Trust me on this, I know a few. ;)
thepsion5 3 years ago
"what if it possesed genes that were recessive until exposed to the radiation, then it wouldn't be new, it could by all accounts be unrecognizable"
It's still an example of natural selection in action. The genes that form the radiation-absorbing pigment allow it to survive (and thrive) where life without the mutation died off. Remember that new species are just successive mutations in order to adapt to an environment.
thepsion5 3 years ago
It's more likely that the genes were created by a random mutation (during genetic mutations genes can be copied, added, or removed) accelerated by the presence of high levels of radiation. The vast majority of the mutations would have killed the mold but one mutation was beneficial. Over time the life form with the beneficial mutation survived and reproduced, while the ones without it died out completely. That's how natural selection works.
thepsion5 3 years ago
um, i think we're on the same page, just reading the wrong paragraphs...
i'm not saying you are athiest, or them being afraid of god, gods followers and his followers enimies are afraid. (or something like that anyways): i'll carefully try to avoid death and live my life to its fullest for now, thanks.
we could gointo feedback loops, geno/phenotype plasticity or polyphenism, accliation, adaption, drift or founder effects. should we try to figure out the proximate or ultimate cause?
illeatu2 3 years ago
"i'm not saying you are athiest, or them being afraid of god, gods followers and his followers enimies are afraid."
Ah, that was a misunderstanding then. Sorry about that, I probably assumed that was part of the argument (I hear that one a lot actually).
"should we try to figure out the proximate or ultimate cause?"
My personal believe that God is the ultimate cause, and Evolution the proximate cause.
thepsion5 3 years ago
So do you even believe that there IS a god? it seems to be what you implied to illeatu2...
flameweaverX 3 years ago
"we could gointo feedback loops, geno/phenotype plasticity or polyphenism, accliation, adaption, drift or founder effects."
Unfortunately I'm not terribly well-read regarding the specifics of generic mutations. If I were to debate it I'd probably have to check a few books out of my university's library first. ;)
thepsion5 3 years ago
best place to start...basement and work youre way up, revisit each floor at least once a semester...whats youre major (if you don't mind) [ME: Environmental Geology & Ecology, statistics & environmental ethics]
illeatu2 3 years ago
No problem at all - I'm a Computer Science major. A bit detached from biology on the surface, but my favorite category in the field is distributed artificial intelligence. As such I do a fair amount of research regarding primitive organisms, genetics, and how and why lifeforms behave the way they do.
thepsion5 3 years ago
Evolution works through mutation. Some of the mutations do not work for example in the said environment of Chernobyl, so a new invidual born without a certain mutation which makes possible for it to endure the radiation, does not survive. There are positive and neutral mutations as well, not only negative ones. And the environment where the mutation happens in, is the judge if the new mutation is useful or not.
Stanzara 3 years ago
Wish I could be a fly on the wall at that time in history.
Fascinating
quotagirl 3 years ago
god didn't make the glue.
necessity is the mother of invention. (trial>error)
I can almost flute a point, but it's easier to purchase technologically advanced broadheads.
when god speaks we will listen, hopefully we will check his or her references: i'd hate to bow down to a wizard of oz manifest in the sky...
illeatu2 3 years ago
how can u say wizard of oz manfest, that wizard claimed to be greater then he was, God does not. He is great, he made this universe. We didn't get here from random chance its impossible, everything is to finely tuned for it to be random. There's an inteligent deisgner, and almost all scientist are abandoning the unlogical theory of evo. because it has no factual base and just isn't logical. Go look at animals and tell me they got here from evo, look at the woodpecker, giraffe,bombadier beetle
7539518524 3 years ago
which woodpecker? there's several in my neighborhood. As for giraffes and horseshoe crabs their cousins may have died out but the beetles flurish. I think you mean "improbable" because chance and random occur in logical fashions. As for an intelligent designer? I think you mean "dark matter" the force and energy we cannot explain yet. As for the wizard bit? Think satelight-hologram and how many people would believe instantly? As for scientist abandoing evolution? Name some.
illeatu2 3 years ago
7539518524: You've got to cast away those crutches of faith and stand on your own logos. It will take courage, but make the leap to atheism for one day. Don't be afraid, it'll be okay and you'll feel smarter and more free. Now, however, you sadly are rejecting the most important idea ever thought. "Climbing Mt. Improbable" might be a good book to read.
grubelsucht 3 years ago
if 7539518524 casts away "those crutches of faith" as you call them, then he or she will have, essentially, no faith to lean on. if one has no faith to lean on, then why not just cast aside all morality and do as he or she wishes? it is these "crutches of faith" that give this world we live in moral order and values. And if you're asking this of 7539518224, then why not take your own advice and make the leap to creationsim for a day? you may feel like you have a point to your life. I DARE YOU.
flameweaverX 3 years ago
"then why not just cast aside all morality and do as he or she wishes?"
Morality exists in plenty of non-religious societies for sociological reasons.
The vast majority of things that a society considers "bad" are so because they are generally harmful to the society as a whole (especially if everyone did them).
If morality is derived solely from religion instead of the rational rule of law, things like the Spanish Inquisition or the Crusades become commonplace.
thepsion5 3 years ago
did i say morality was strictly religious?
flameweaverX 3 years ago
This statement:
"if one has no faith to lean on, then why not just cast aside all morality and do as he or she wishes? it is these 'crutches of faith' that give this world we live in moral order and values."
Would seem to suggest - quite explicitly - that morality is derived entirely from religion.
thepsion5 3 years ago
ok they made glue, but what they use it for??
xtiger357 3 years ago
Attaching spear points and axe heads
Jmcenanly 3 years ago
Sniffing...
InformedChoice 3 years ago
that's what they used it for...the glue I meant...
InformedChoice 3 years ago
Yeah right
DarkKnightStalone 3 years ago
Notice! XENOS IS A FAKE GOD. Come on people this stuff has been found by "us" to be proven as factually in exsistance as the layers of the earth have been moving for millions of years. Just because some "Chimp in a Suit" (not Bush] Doesn't want us to believe different, OFW. BTW Darwin Rules! Is this the New Dark Ages?
Snowman1466 3 years ago
I have farted before this video.
CrippledRetardo 3 years ago
wow
EvolutionCaliBand 3 years ago
didn't realise that Neabderthals spoke Klingon
SafetyChris 3 years ago 2
haha nice
AZNoSNIPER 3 years ago
these ugly beings never existed, its all a deciet ! humans have been humans since they were created, and we have always been civilised. National Geographic is stupid
brsgaziiiz 3 years ago
Fossils have been found of Neanderthals! How ignorant people can be.
hathwell 3 years ago
Wheres ur proof, queer shit?
Ive seen skeletons. Have you seen god? Didnt think so.
xaznharryx 3 years ago
well skeletons were found. we dont know what adam and eve looked like so they can look like this, and god kept on making humans better and better
AZNoSNIPER 3 years ago
then that's evolution you're talking about!
SafetyChris 3 years ago
"well skeletons were found. we dont know what adam and eve looked like so they can look like this, and god kept on making humans better and better"
We are not descendants of Homo Sapiens Neanderthalensis. We come from the Homo Erectus branch...
Plus, what makes you think that we are better than Neanderthals... "better" by what standard?
romanoskar 3 years ago 2
man evolution is a bunch of crap! we never came from apes,we have always been humans
fisher1972 3 years ago
humans ARE apes
SafetyChris 3 years ago