I'm not a fan of pitch correction but since when is changing EQ settings a bad thing? It is necessary or else some people's recordings would always sound muffled and flat.
I liked your take before you tuned it. It has the feel of a live performance, where nobody is sure how it's all going to turn out. It's much more natural and I like the energy. I only hope somebody doesn't try to release The Beatles tuned, or Dusty Springfield, etc!
have to agree with you elijah - these days talent has been replaced with technoligy - i call it drag and drop music - 'pop' music - jesus this so called music is so artificial its beyond a joke there is a simple test for all the haters -if your favourite band/star can get up on a stage with no backing -just a mic -and NOTHING else ,and hold a song then yeh they have talent -strangely we never see that! - the music industry sold out musicians for talentless pop idols -pop music is for 8 year olds
Sure tuned vocals generally sound good, but it takes away from the authenticity. Sometimes those imperfections are what makes a recording sound so good.
On another note, I'm really digging that drumkit.....you know, assuming that they aren't real drums. :P
Good video, though I am a little disturbed by how transparent a program like melodyne can be. At the end of the video, you say that we can now tell whether pitch correction was used in a performance. I am not so sure I can tell exactly when a program like melodyne is being used, considering that it is usually applied to only a few off notes, and the vocal is sitting in a mix of drums bass guitar keys etc etc... It's getting more and more difficult to tell, and I hate that!
I like the 'un-tuned' vocals in this track just a much as the 'tuned' vocals ... to my ear the imperfections just add a little character ... imagine if Neil Young had tuned vocals, just wouldn't have the same character.
@elijahlucian thats not true at all (im in the music business). if the singers have no idea what theyre doing, then yeah. but its a small majority. do you know how many people would ditch their label if they tried to do that?
@elijahlucian been in the music industry (live and in studio) for the past 22 years. and had 3 different albums, on 3 different labels. if youd ever read one, there are loopholes, its not that hard to get out of a contract, hun. thats why u MUST always read everyting and negotiate before signing. rule #1!!
@elijahlucian well who really cares if he or she was in the industry. the point is that for one, if the singer doesn't know what he or she is doing they shouldn't even be attempting to record in my opinion. i mean this singer should not be attempting this, hes not a good singer in my opinion. i think he needs a a lot more training and practice instead of just skipping all that to do this. i think that is wrong for various reasons.
@JonnyWedel but i will say that i don't rule out any methods of making music as long as its all for good reasons and the person is not for instance. faking something and trying to get famous off of a talent they don't even have. but for that matter i don't believe in self glorification anyway. its hard to really find concrete answers to what is right and wrong. i think to just say "real musicians don't need pitch correction!" is pretty close minded.
I dont know why everyone hates on "autotune" so much, all it really is is a way to speed up the recording process by not making the vocalist do the takes over and over until its perfect. Do people hate on guitar players who use fretted instruments? its kind of the same thing
but in the real world of commercial recording you NEVER rely on tuning for a good product. the fact is, if you cant get a good consolidated take out of 3 takes.. you shouldn't be recording. you should be practicing. i feel tuning and home recording in general has taken a lot of the "practice and rehearsal" out of the process. where it's probably the most vital for getting a good result. that's why there is a lot of mediocre music out there.
@elijahlucian its the same in the sense if you compare it to a fretless instrument. A fret controls the tone of the string no matter where you press it down, like tuning a voice. Thats why its harder to play a fretless instrument, but you can still do it and get close to a perfect performance, like your original vocal recording. These tools simply make it easier for people to make their own music, and how is that a bad thing? I'm sure in commercial recording they do far more than 3 takes, too
@Luke11837 not at all. when you play a guitar the amount of pressure you put on the strings is HIGHLY important.. you ever tried playing an electric with light gauge and pressing down on the strings really hard? it's VERY easy to put a fretted instrument out of tune just by pushing to hard.
3 takes was an example. when people come to my studio to say, cut their first demo, they can only afford a few hours of recording time... vocal tuning will cost about the same as 1 hour of recording / track.
@elijahlucian true, the pressure does make a difference, but i still think you can make a comparison. Frets are like vocal tuning, if your not very good at guitar, it will sound a lot better with frets, but still not that great. Same thing, if your not very good at singing, vocal tuning will help, but it wont be nearly as good as if you hardly had to fix it at all.Neither one is a replacement for skill and practice, but just a tool to make things easier.
@elijahlucian I completely agree. This person has no idea what they're talking about. I agree that if you are a decent singer and you just end up flat on a few notes this is acceptable... I disagree when you get to artists like T-Pain that can't sing for shit.
@Luke11837 the problem is that in the end is fake. . . its ok to speed up recording/mixing process. . . but abusing like you have a crappy out of tone. . . 0 techinque and then the whole computer fix every single error, its really cheating. So anyone can sing . . . now everyone can be an artist without any talent on performing, yo can noticed that is just not taking the industry seriously
This is a pretty subtle example because you're so close to begin with. Put an amateur in front of the mic and do the same thing and it'll be a lot easier to hear the difference for people who don't have a good ear for this sort of thing. For me, when the difference is small, it's hard to hear many artifacts after being tuned.
I think sometimes the flaws in a singer's voice can add character and emotional depth to a song. It's like so many of the singers today sound like robots.
I dont blame software productors, Is a fact never has have a perfect singer, on perfect tune. Its help to correct the sound. But with it everyone sings "perfectly". Putting down all the musicians who take a long time of yours life to study, clleaning and learn to sing, it's or seems to be a "CRACK" to be a famous and rich musician.
Many people (who's dont have any knowledge about it) call me crazy, fool sometimes. Its so funny, cause they are morbidly obeses eating so much shit with the ears, all this shit we call music today. I'm job on music and study in university too, but they put credit more on your "donkey" ears than to someone who knows how things are. The music seems dont have any rules or ethics more... Many today are liars musicians or singers... Like politics.
I wouldn't say its cheating. If you want to put on a good show and want to move around a lot on stage sometimes autotune is the way. However for unplugged sets autotune is a big no-no. Same if your recording an album... I can see the need for autotuned vocals as you want your tracks to sound good and stand out from the other frequencies of the instruments your using!
@ChangeTheWorldMusic when artists are dancing hard on stage it is lip synched. period. that's a whole completely different aspect of show business. however, when you make a "live" video on youtube and tune it, that is the lamest thing you could possibly do. live music should be untouched. that is when people are supposed to appreciate your flaws, if you can't pull off a live video you just shouldn't bother imo. make a music video and put the album track behind it. also this is not autotune.
@elijahlucian Autotune was originally to tune the vocals of "professional" artists who couldn't sing.. cher for one.. and others. It became a fad after some people pushed the envelope to actually produce artifacts and quick pitch shifting. You can do the same in melodyne if you wanted to.
People have been using pitch correctors on stage for over a decade, yep, you read me right.
@elijahlucian I have and I stand by what I said. Any one can sing.. but can they sing in tune? and there was a lot of her passes that were corrected with pitch correctors. Some of the time you could actually hear it being applied. Until autotune became what it is today, it was commonly known as the Cher effect. As it wasn't always there, but you knew she was being corrected because there was this trills in some notes.
@Raindarsus yeah I'm familiar with the song Believe, was a huge hit when i was graduating
but I was talking about back in the 70s "half breed" etc. my point is, she never NEEDED autotune, she applied it for effect in the late 90s. also, in believe, she only uses autotune at certain points in the song (for the effect), if you listen to it carefully you can hear the click in the audiotrack (probably still using tape) when they hit the wet/dry button. listen closely dude. chek acapella if you cant
@elijahlucian and what tells you I haven't heard her a capella for myself when she came in concert here, while I was a roadie and help sound tech for the company that actually rigged her shows in 06? You can think what you want since there's no way for you to know, but I actually know what I'm talking about.
I hear all this and some people need auto tune or melodyne....whatever but....damn. Thats cause they can't sing. Back in the day no way Jim Morrison would use this or Elvis, Sinatra or any artist back then cause you take the soul out of the voice....fuck this shit. Learn to "sing" and you don't need this shit.
The problem with melodyne, and this is to all of you hating on it.. It's something that you cannot hear in any recording... The voice can just sound good... For all you know, your fav artists could be using it.. and you would never know.,
Ella Fitzgerald did not need pitch correction - her control was phenomenal... You mean "every UNTRAINED vocalist has flaws in their singing." What a shame no one actually learns (or has to learn) to sing these days... Now that that Pandora's box is open, every singer is suspect - the only reason we know Ella was so perfect is that she recorded before the technology was invented. We can only wonder - if she were recording today, would they have autotuned her? Unfortunately, almost certainly.
@pignanelli pitch correction is genre specific. and it is not used on ALL performances. There are a lot of artists that do not need pitch correction. But pitch correction is not a new technology. it has been around since the 50s. all they had to do was speed up and slow down the tracks in question to change the pitch. it took significantly more time than before, also they way they mixed songs back then, it's harder to hear pitch flaws because of the rooms they used. not like today's dry vocals.
Nice one. It's always good to see work in progress
In case anyones interested check my video of a really cool free tuning feature in Digital Performer. As good as Melodyne Auto Tune or Waves Tune (BTW I own all of these too but use Performer as my favoured tuning package)
I think autotuning will become an accepted way for singers to stay in tune in the same way that metronomes and click tracks are accepted ways to keep in time.
it's 100% better to not tune the vocals-Just find a singer who can sing in tune correctly-Like me! lol what happens when you try to do the same thing live?Plus you can hear the robotic correction,if you listen closely enough-It amazes me some "artists" now adays can't sing for shit-Rhianna comes to mind.
@wavular Yes,I know this, I'm not being confrontational by the way ,I know you can level the intensity of the effect, I just bought a Tascam Neo 2488,24 track digital ,
And actually,i've used auto-tune with a few artists,(Very dicreetly) similar to what your video shows,So, in conclusion ,I guess i'm a little "Old-school" in my way of thinking,Bare bones production is my thing-Nothing better than organic music,If ya know what i mean.
@wavular Correction like this is a ti8me saver in the studio. You can get a good performance by recording layers, and cutting the results and selecting the best bits then joining them back up. Or multitrack the recording of a lead vocal. Michael Jackson got to be there springs to mind. Double tracked and not perfect pitch but result are perfect. Listen and comment :)
@wavular which is what your parents said about your music and what their parents said about their music. and so on. you're just reinforcing the trend with your closed-minded attitude... sorry.
@wavular I'd also just like to point out that you must be a little bit deluded if you think that recording artists do not use vocal correction in the studio ever. Alot, and I mean alot of PRODUCERS not ARTISTS use vocal correction on mix downs. Much of the music you listen to today would have had some form of vocal correction, even if you can't tell or hear it. you try spending 12hours a day in a studio and getting a pro sounding vocal track everytime. learn the facts b4 becoming a smartass.
@DOAI2012 Sometimes people only need small tuning.... but time is money when your paying £500 a day in a studio, u dnt wanna be sitting there doing re-takes every 5minutes. Sometimes it is too robotic true, othertimes u wud never even know it. u still need a good voice and good tone to your voice.... it's not miricle software, u cant make any1 sound good. u need the basis of a good voice initially.
Pls help! is there any tutorial on youtube that shows how to mix Singing vocals like R&B not Rap?!! Because its to hard to find a Tutorial like that!!
Even with this software, you still have to be able to sing. Everything thinks you can take a crappy singer and make them sound amazing... You really can't. It is more of a time issue. In a big studio, every second costs money. Correcting vocals saves vocal take time
technically it doesn't matter how the vocals are achieved. think of music only using an acoustic guitar! boring as hell, right? but back in the day people thought the electric guitar was devil music. now its the standard in a lot of songs ;)
so on that note, if the vocals are the main event of the song then yeah, you'd want to hear someone with good "vibrato" perhaps. but if its just club boppers, no one cares
club bangers and Rock is about the music and sick beats--not the vocals
haha yeah actually i met this really old guy a few years ago when i was cleaning windows and we got talking about music. he was telling me about how "electric guitar isn't real music" hahaha. i hear you man. its 100% subjective with music always.
haha imagine Mozart writing his best stuff on a harpsichord and then piano was created in the future, so like everything Mozart played sounded better on piano! but then harpsichord purist of that era probably assembled a bloody lynch mob to burn every piano in sight! haha
i'm sure by popular demand the heroes & legends of those days made the piano the standard.
its all in the mind. if you like certain sounds there is no reason for apologies outside the creativity zone
@upNyaBizznizz "club bangers and Rock is about the music and sick beats--not the vocals"
thats so uneducated.."club music" ok i can see if its only music,but as far as rnb and hip-hop there is no other genre (besides spoken word) that is more focused on vocals,and lyrical content..think before posting!
i dont see what was so wrong with the first take it sounded alright with me.. plus wouldnt it be easier to just re-record it instead of doing that? and just using an editing software to patch it up? and perhaps record each verse by its self and then patching it up?
well i didnt sing off tune enough in this example sorry about that.
but to answer your question. yes it would be easier. however. i just recorded a girl in the studio here and there are plenty of places where her vocals should be redone, however due to scheduling restraints, its easier to just tune the vocals... if you are doing your own stuff or doing things for free then re-recording is fine. however in a commercial environment there are more x-factors that can be solved by things like this
this is truly amazing stuff, i see bands that can sings really good but ive noticed they use programs like this so it really makes u think twice on how good they can sing lol thanks for posting this , this is a really cool video
this was a studio projects C1 in this vid however i don'r really recommend that mic, as the high end is too pronounced. if you have to get a budget mic, get a rode NT1-a. I have the Rode NT2-A now.
It's true no doubt, it's related to getting older. But people still listen to popmusic which is 50 years old, example The Beatles, Sting, Michael Jackson whatever. If they still playing Pussycat Dolls, Lady Gaga etc.... in 50 years? Well I have my doubts.
i think they will personally. I have the billboard charts since the 1940s. in truth. none of these artists really came up with anything truly different. it was all part of the trends, some were leaders others were followers. but its all about that era. whether or not the music sucked, it will still be remembered just becaues its more than just part of music its part of that era as a whole. the same how clothing styles and popular phrases will be remembered (ie. 90s: NOT! Cowabunga etc.)
also thats part of getting older. pop music is for kids. period. because cliche to us is new to them. you have to understand that. you dont have to like it, but the reason that young people enjoy pop music is because they are hearing this stuff for the first time, where we get sick of it because it's overplayed.
well i used uno in this one. ive tried both, and i like how straight forward melodyne uno is. its just straight up tuning, the other ones get into more bells and whistles which in the end you dont even need and it just makes it take longer to get done what you need to get done.
MAAAAN dude you gotta finish that song lol im listening to the video multiple times its a really good song if those are your lyrics, Ill make you a beat if you don't want to use the tutorial one and you could finish the song. you down to do it and put the work in?
Melodyne is way better than autotune, no doubt! But somehow, I can't see the blue "correction" rectangles on mine (to automatically put the notes in correct tune). Can anybody help?
Uh, yeah we can tell when Akon uses effects actually, it's just that he never sings clean so people with no awareness of what the effect sounds like might think he's got a robotic voice from birth. He wasn't born that way, honest, they probably implanted a vocoder in his windpipe for convenience.
today, anyone with a mic and an internet connection and not much talent can make a fucking "album" but hey, we're "steeling" their music and movies, so why not. fuck it, Tune the shit out yo shit. if they want a real voice, let um come and hear it at the concert.
hehe...you know that there are pitch correction modules for live performance too right? :P can't tell you how many peaplo use it, i don't know that fact yet. peace.
yeah. ive used autotune live before for fun. there is all kinds of rack mount pitch correction. funny thing is a lot of the time you dont see it used on awards shows and stuff. especially with concerts and stuff its hard, all the background noise is bound to throw off the correction.
I believe it's the record companies that just want to make money based on someone who can just barely sing but has sex appeal with the least amount of time in the studio. In the past it was the music first , then the sex appeal...today unfortunately it's the other way around and so what you get is music sounding pretty much all the same, autotune or not!
On the other hand, I don't think there's anything wrong with using vocal tuning technology to create different sound effects, like in Eiffel 65 - Blue. It's simply using sound technology to manipulate voice just as we manipulate other sources of sound. It's exactly the same as using a synth, an electric guitar, any instrument wich requires electricity.
We could make "pure" music using only live vocals and tam-tams and flutes (and that is fine), but we would be losing a lot of possibilities.
the only problem i have is when artists try and pull it off as an acoustic live performance. lol... like if its blantantly obvious like eif65 or cher. then whatever its just an effect. but im not a fan of the fakers. especially the ones here on youtube that try and make it seem all authentic.
I'm not a fan of pitch correction but since when is changing EQ settings a bad thing? It is necessary or else some people's recordings would always sound muffled and flat.
suicideposter 3 weeks ago
doesnt pretty much every major recording studio do that kinda thing ?
acrock21 2 months ago
What happen to real talent, you take before sounded great a fantastic. You don't need computers to show real talent.
LoudSoda 3 months ago
@LoudSoda i agree. When people come to my studio I make sure I get the best of the best out of them. Never rely on studio magic to get things done.
elijahlucian 3 months ago
@elijahlucian I like your voice the song is great too
blub16hatch 1 month ago
I liked your take before you tuned it. It has the feel of a live performance, where nobody is sure how it's all going to turn out. It's much more natural and I like the energy. I only hope somebody doesn't try to release The Beatles tuned, or Dusty Springfield, etc!
grouchyarchie 4 months ago
have to agree with you elijah - these days talent has been replaced with technoligy - i call it drag and drop music - 'pop' music - jesus this so called music is so artificial its beyond a joke there is a simple test for all the haters -if your favourite band/star can get up on a stage with no backing -just a mic -and NOTHING else ,and hold a song then yeh they have talent -strangely we never see that! - the music industry sold out musicians for talentless pop idols -pop music is for 8 year olds
AdrianLOkeeffe 4 months ago
Sure tuned vocals generally sound good, but it takes away from the authenticity. Sometimes those imperfections are what makes a recording sound so good.
On another note, I'm really digging that drumkit.....you know, assuming that they aren't real drums. :P
JavonteTreble 4 months ago
Good video, though I am a little disturbed by how transparent a program like melodyne can be. At the end of the video, you say that we can now tell whether pitch correction was used in a performance. I am not so sure I can tell exactly when a program like melodyne is being used, considering that it is usually applied to only a few off notes, and the vocal is sitting in a mix of drums bass guitar keys etc etc... It's getting more and more difficult to tell, and I hate that!
methanandamide 4 months ago
I liked u before the pitch correction :P Really i did.
1Mynameonly1 4 months ago
celine dion, mariah carey - do you think they have to fix their vocals in studio?
jbooks888 5 months ago
I like the 'un-tuned' vocals in this track just a much as the 'tuned' vocals ... to my ear the imperfections just add a little character ... imagine if Neil Young had tuned vocals, just wouldn't have the same character.
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MisterNoHead 5 months ago
real musicians like tori amos and imogen heap dont NEED to tune their live stuff.
guineapiggyman 6 months ago
@guineapiggyman it's never up to the artist if they are tuned or not. it's up to their label.
elijahlucian 6 months ago
@elijahlucian thats not true at all (im in the music business). if the singers have no idea what theyre doing, then yeah. but its a small majority. do you know how many people would ditch their label if they tried to do that?
guineapiggyman 6 months ago
@guineapiggyman yeah... too bad you can't just "ditch your label" haha. have you ever signed a contract?
elijahlucian 6 months ago
@elijahlucian been in the music industry (live and in studio) for the past 22 years. and had 3 different albums, on 3 different labels. if youd ever read one, there are loopholes, its not that hard to get out of a contract, hun. thats why u MUST always read everyting and negotiate before signing. rule #1!!
guineapiggyman 6 months ago
@guineapiggyman lol ok... 22 years in the industry with 0 videos... good one. thanks for the laugh ;)
elijahlucian 6 months ago
@elijahlucian well who really cares if he or she was in the industry. the point is that for one, if the singer doesn't know what he or she is doing they shouldn't even be attempting to record in my opinion. i mean this singer should not be attempting this, hes not a good singer in my opinion. i think he needs a a lot more training and practice instead of just skipping all that to do this. i think that is wrong for various reasons.
JonnyWedel 5 months ago
@JonnyWedel but i will say that i don't rule out any methods of making music as long as its all for good reasons and the person is not for instance. faking something and trying to get famous off of a talent they don't even have. but for that matter i don't believe in self glorification anyway. its hard to really find concrete answers to what is right and wrong. i think to just say "real musicians don't need pitch correction!" is pretty close minded.
JonnyWedel 5 months ago
@guineapiggyman
Tell that Bieberhead.
Movingtunes 5 months ago
A bro i downloaded this program, and its not up for trail no more. Can you send the setup to my email? Inbox me!
ERICINMYPOCKET 7 months ago
damn i cant hear the difference... your great singer dude XD
LT2AD 8 months ago
Song? :D
Tojeczek 9 months ago
how is it that ur not in a booth but it sounds like it?
TheDymondusic 9 months ago
@TheDymondusic hey man, i was just in a fairly open space but it was cluttred up and it also had a few bass traps around.
if you have a raw room the recording will sound very roomy.
also i had a noise gate on it which kills a lot of the reverb tails.
elijahlucian 9 months ago
@elijahlucian thanks for the help !!!
TheDymondusic 9 months ago
akon sounds like a dieing squirrel anyways
Flextaa 10 months ago
can any one help me , wen i recored my vocals it dosnt seem to go with tha beat? its like theres 2 files playing seperated?
insing68able 10 months ago
this is lame" you suck
19jrp 10 months ago
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Luke11837 10 months ago
I dont know why everyone hates on "autotune" so much, all it really is is a way to speed up the recording process by not making the vocalist do the takes over and over until its perfect. Do people hate on guitar players who use fretted instruments? its kind of the same thing
Luke11837 10 months ago
@Luke11837 well not the same thing at all...
but in the real world of commercial recording you NEVER rely on tuning for a good product. the fact is, if you cant get a good consolidated take out of 3 takes.. you shouldn't be recording. you should be practicing. i feel tuning and home recording in general has taken a lot of the "practice and rehearsal" out of the process. where it's probably the most vital for getting a good result. that's why there is a lot of mediocre music out there.
elijahlucian 10 months ago 10
@elijahlucian its the same in the sense if you compare it to a fretless instrument. A fret controls the tone of the string no matter where you press it down, like tuning a voice. Thats why its harder to play a fretless instrument, but you can still do it and get close to a perfect performance, like your original vocal recording. These tools simply make it easier for people to make their own music, and how is that a bad thing? I'm sure in commercial recording they do far more than 3 takes, too
Luke11837 10 months ago
@Luke11837 not at all. when you play a guitar the amount of pressure you put on the strings is HIGHLY important.. you ever tried playing an electric with light gauge and pressing down on the strings really hard? it's VERY easy to put a fretted instrument out of tune just by pushing to hard.
3 takes was an example. when people come to my studio to say, cut their first demo, they can only afford a few hours of recording time... vocal tuning will cost about the same as 1 hour of recording / track.
elijahlucian 10 months ago
@elijahlucian true, the pressure does make a difference, but i still think you can make a comparison. Frets are like vocal tuning, if your not very good at guitar, it will sound a lot better with frets, but still not that great. Same thing, if your not very good at singing, vocal tuning will help, but it wont be nearly as good as if you hardly had to fix it at all.Neither one is a replacement for skill and practice, but just a tool to make things easier.
Luke11837 10 months ago
@elijahlucian I completely agree. This person has no idea what they're talking about. I agree that if you are a decent singer and you just end up flat on a few notes this is acceptable... I disagree when you get to artists like T-Pain that can't sing for shit.
GuitarSK8boarding 8 months ago
@Luke11837 the problem is that in the end is fake. . . its ok to speed up recording/mixing process. . . but abusing like you have a crappy out of tone. . . 0 techinque and then the whole computer fix every single error, its really cheating. So anyone can sing . . . now everyone can be an artist without any talent on performing, yo can noticed that is just not taking the industry seriously
rubendrakkar 7 months ago
@rubendrakkar well people have been able to be talentless, and still call themselves musicians: theyre called rappers ;)
guineapiggyman 6 months ago
@guineapiggyman rapping is more about lyricism than singing ability though
Luke11837 6 months ago
@Luke11837 bull. thats just a copout for the talentless
guineapiggyman 6 months ago
@guineapiggyman no its not. im not gonna argue too much more against such closedmindedness though
Luke11837 5 months ago
@Luke11837 lol
guineapiggyman 5 months ago
@guineapiggyman have you ever even listened to rap? its an entirely different vocal style
Luke11837 5 months ago
If it was industry standard to cut your own arm off would you do it? Lame
Panchee123 10 months ago
this was stupid it din't tell me anything
260876123 10 months ago
@260876123 i made this video specifically so your life would be unfulfilled.
elijahlucian 10 months ago 3
This is a pretty subtle example because you're so close to begin with. Put an amateur in front of the mic and do the same thing and it'll be a lot easier to hear the difference for people who don't have a good ear for this sort of thing. For me, when the difference is small, it's hard to hear many artifacts after being tuned.
babybirdhome 11 months ago
@babybirdhome thats true. i plan to do another one with a more off-key vocalist. i may do one with one of my current clients if they let me hahah
elijahlucian 11 months ago
What genre of music is this 'cause I really dig it.
Henrykhs 11 months ago
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pitaya1 11 months ago
Really like the chorus on this. Anybody know the title of the song? Or where I can download/purchase it?
pitaya1 11 months ago
I think sometimes the flaws in a singer's voice can add character and emotional depth to a song. It's like so many of the singers today sound like robots.
Retrowinter 1 year ago
And sure, Being "fakely" in the hall with "best singers of the world, country, county or anywhere" title.
denislrn 1 year ago
I dont blame software productors, Is a fact never has have a perfect singer, on perfect tune. Its help to correct the sound. But with it everyone sings "perfectly". Putting down all the musicians who take a long time of yours life to study, clleaning and learn to sing, it's or seems to be a "CRACK" to be a famous and rich musician.
denislrn 1 year ago
Many people (who's dont have any knowledge about it) call me crazy, fool sometimes. Its so funny, cause they are morbidly obeses eating so much shit with the ears, all this shit we call music today. I'm job on music and study in university too, but they put credit more on your "donkey" ears than to someone who knows how things are. The music seems dont have any rules or ethics more... Many today are liars musicians or singers... Like politics.
denislrn 1 year ago
I wouldn't say its cheating. If you want to put on a good show and want to move around a lot on stage sometimes autotune is the way. However for unplugged sets autotune is a big no-no. Same if your recording an album... I can see the need for autotuned vocals as you want your tracks to sound good and stand out from the other frequencies of the instruments your using!
ChangeTheWorldMusic 1 year ago
@ChangeTheWorldMusic when artists are dancing hard on stage it is lip synched. period. that's a whole completely different aspect of show business. however, when you make a "live" video on youtube and tune it, that is the lamest thing you could possibly do. live music should be untouched. that is when people are supposed to appreciate your flaws, if you can't pull off a live video you just shouldn't bother imo. make a music video and put the album track behind it. also this is not autotune.
elijahlucian 1 year ago
@elijahlucian Autotune was originally to tune the vocals of "professional" artists who couldn't sing.. cher for one.. and others. It became a fad after some people pushed the envelope to actually produce artifacts and quick pitch shifting. You can do the same in melodyne if you wanted to.
People have been using pitch correctors on stage for over a decade, yep, you read me right.
Raindarsus 11 months ago
> eratum cher pitch correction were done before autotune also so it's reallly not new.
Raindarsus 11 months ago
@Raindarsus dude you think cher cant sing? lol... maybe you need to listten to some of her older stuff and live
elijahlucian 11 months ago
@elijahlucian I have and I stand by what I said. Any one can sing.. but can they sing in tune? and there was a lot of her passes that were corrected with pitch correctors. Some of the time you could actually hear it being applied. Until autotune became what it is today, it was commonly known as the Cher effect. As it wasn't always there, but you knew she was being corrected because there was this trills in some notes.
Raindarsus 11 months ago
@Raindarsus yeah I'm familiar with the song Believe, was a huge hit when i was graduating
but I was talking about back in the 70s "half breed" etc. my point is, she never NEEDED autotune, she applied it for effect in the late 90s. also, in believe, she only uses autotune at certain points in the song (for the effect), if you listen to it carefully you can hear the click in the audiotrack (probably still using tape) when they hit the wet/dry button. listen closely dude. chek acapella if you cant
elijahlucian 11 months ago
@elijahlucian Trust me, it wasn't just for effects...
Raindarsus 11 months ago
@Raindarsus heh. of course, since you're her recording engineer you would know... o.O
anyways... since you don't want to go and actually get the acapella and educate yourself, i guess there is no point in continuing this.
elijahlucian 11 months ago
@elijahlucian and what tells you I haven't heard her a capella for myself when she came in concert here, while I was a roadie and help sound tech for the company that actually rigged her shows in 06? You can think what you want since there's no way for you to know, but I actually know what I'm talking about.
Raindarsus 11 months ago
I hear all this and some people need auto tune or melodyne....whatever but....damn. Thats cause they can't sing. Back in the day no way Jim Morrison would use this or Elvis, Sinatra or any artist back then cause you take the soul out of the voice....fuck this shit. Learn to "sing" and you don't need this shit.
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thisisrockey 1 year ago
What edition of Melodyne is this? (i.e. Essential, Assistant, Editor or Studio?)
matt531320 1 year ago
@matt531320 this was melodyne uno
elijahlucian 1 year ago
@elijahlucian ok, thx. Just realized the vid was a bit old xD
matt531320 1 year ago
@elijahlucian Is Melodyne better than Sonar 8 or GarageBand?
Chicago10281 1 year ago
@elijahlucian I'm new, is the difference from 1:08?
leefanyee 1 year ago
**** this is sooo cool i don;t have to LEArn how to sing, just use this great machine ! thanks i don't buy music but im going to sell my lol
checkabreak 1 year ago
150 WHAT? SPANISH OMELETS???!
russhurley 1 year ago
@russhurley well. considering im from canada. that would imply canadian dollars.
elijahlucian 1 year ago
The problem with melodyne, and this is to all of you hating on it.. It's something that you cannot hear in any recording... The voice can just sound good... For all you know, your fav artists could be using it.. and you would never know.,
AdrienChaos 1 year ago
Kesha ?
kevin1993bosman 1 year ago
@kevin1993bosman no im pretty sure kesha uses an autotuner. melodyne is a manual tuner
elijahlucian 1 year ago
@elijahlucian Well yeah, but guaranteed not just that. She also uses vocoders.
KeeHartProductions 1 year ago
Good shit...
vapors420 1 year ago
Ella Fitzgerald did not need pitch correction - her control was phenomenal... You mean "every UNTRAINED vocalist has flaws in their singing." What a shame no one actually learns (or has to learn) to sing these days... Now that that Pandora's box is open, every singer is suspect - the only reason we know Ella was so perfect is that she recorded before the technology was invented. We can only wonder - if she were recording today, would they have autotuned her? Unfortunately, almost certainly.
pignanelli 1 year ago
@pignanelli pitch correction is genre specific. and it is not used on ALL performances. There are a lot of artists that do not need pitch correction. But pitch correction is not a new technology. it has been around since the 50s. all they had to do was speed up and slow down the tracks in question to change the pitch. it took significantly more time than before, also they way they mixed songs back then, it's harder to hear pitch flaws because of the rooms they used. not like today's dry vocals.
elijahlucian 1 year ago 2
Nice one. It's always good to see work in progress
In case anyones interested check my video of a really cool free tuning feature in Digital Performer. As good as Melodyne Auto Tune or Waves Tune (BTW I own all of these too but use Performer as my favoured tuning package)
Check out Intonational Rescue on the web
ten21recordingstudio 1 year ago
Yawn..............
throbule 1 year ago
@throbule nbbahhyreh!!!!!
elijahlucian 1 year ago
I think autotuning will become an accepted way for singers to stay in tune in the same way that metronomes and click tracks are accepted ways to keep in time.
astrophonix 1 year ago
@astrophonix hmmm that's an interesting way of looking at it!
elijahlucian 1 year ago
@astrophonix completely different
freeboi1017 1 year ago
is this how they would tune a song artists music in a studio...does it have the same quality as in a studio??
RomanORMacavei 1 year ago
@RomanORMacavei there are many different ways. some DAWs come with pitch correction at your disposal. melodyne is one of the most used, however.
elijahlucian 1 year ago
good video, ill make a video tutorial of this plugin soon.
bestplugins 1 year ago
Yeah, I'm pretty bad.. I couldn't tell a difference between the two
theratkintwitch 1 year ago
dayum lykee the sonq nice vid by the way ! ^_^
Jaytecktonik808 1 year ago
LOL
GIORGIO1995 1 year ago
I like the tune and neat stuff on the vocal software. I'll check it out. Mine are good but I like to experiment always with new electronics toys...
GreasepaintLK 1 year ago
it's 100% better to not tune the vocals-Just find a singer who can sing in tune correctly-Like me! lol what happens when you try to do the same thing live?Plus you can hear the robotic correction,if you listen closely enough-It amazes me some "artists" now adays can't sing for shit-Rhianna comes to mind.
wavular 1 year ago 2
@wavular you do realize that you can tune vocals without getting robootic artifacts. and yes you can tune live performances.
elijahlucian 1 year ago
@wavular Yes,I know this, I'm not being confrontational by the way ,I know you can level the intensity of the effect, I just bought a Tascam Neo 2488,24 track digital ,
And actually,i've used auto-tune with a few artists,(Very dicreetly) similar to what your video shows,So, in conclusion ,I guess i'm a little "Old-school" in my way of thinking,Bare bones production is my thing-Nothing better than organic music,If ya know what i mean.
wavular 1 year ago
@wavular ok-i tried being sensible and nice-you still call me a smartass-i won't waste mine or your precious time up any longer jackass.
wavular 1 year ago
@wavular I bet your perfect. and never miss any notes.
JohnnyPartain 1 year ago
@wavular Correction like this is a ti8me saver in the studio. You can get a good performance by recording layers, and cutting the results and selecting the best bits then joining them back up. Or multitrack the recording of a lead vocal. Michael Jackson got to be there springs to mind. Double tracked and not perfect pitch but result are perfect. Listen and comment :)
Westy196740 1 year ago
@wavular which is what your parents said about your music and what their parents said about their music. and so on. you're just reinforcing the trend with your closed-minded attitude... sorry.
elijahlucian 1 year ago
@elijahlucian 100% agreed man
tokyorose999 1 year ago
@wavular I'd also just like to point out that you must be a little bit deluded if you think that recording artists do not use vocal correction in the studio ever. Alot, and I mean alot of PRODUCERS not ARTISTS use vocal correction on mix downs. Much of the music you listen to today would have had some form of vocal correction, even if you can't tell or hear it. you try spending 12hours a day in a studio and getting a pro sounding vocal track everytime. learn the facts b4 becoming a smartass.
DOAI2012 1 year ago
@DOAI2012 Sometimes people only need small tuning.... but time is money when your paying £500 a day in a studio, u dnt wanna be sitting there doing re-takes every 5minutes. Sometimes it is too robotic true, othertimes u wud never even know it. u still need a good voice and good tone to your voice.... it's not miricle software, u cant make any1 sound good. u need the basis of a good voice initially.
DOAI2012 1 year ago
nice. sometimes when i use melodyne too much i get artifacts but this was very clean. it makes all the difference in the world!
ancient561 1 year ago
Soounded unreal to me , but it'll do the job for a regular listener
motel21 1 year ago
Pls help! is there any tutorial on youtube that shows how to mix Singing vocals like R&B not Rap?!! Because its to hard to find a Tutorial like that!!
MultiPrincey 1 year ago
I prefer hearing the imperfections the repitching stuff is getting irritating.
funknotik 1 year ago
Even with this software, you still have to be able to sing. Everything thinks you can take a crappy singer and make them sound amazing... You really can't. It is more of a time issue. In a big studio, every second costs money. Correcting vocals saves vocal take time
MichaelMcAdamsMusic 1 year ago
@MichaelMcAdamsMusic this is too true. time and tone. you cant make bad tone sound better just pitch.
elijahlucian 1 year ago
Nice Video, short and spicy :)
Simoneaird955 1 year ago
WHAT GENRE OF MUSIC IS THIS I LIKE IT
yardee101 1 year ago
great man
bbbenfolds 1 year ago
I see the difference, but you sing cool even without it - off course - I hear the flaws, but it makes singing more natural and live
SashaFromSaintP 1 year ago
i dont think you need to tune you're an awesome singer w/or w/out it
youngn420 1 year ago
nice vid
eatemup316 1 year ago
technically it doesn't matter how the vocals are achieved. think of music only using an acoustic guitar! boring as hell, right? but back in the day people thought the electric guitar was devil music. now its the standard in a lot of songs ;)
so on that note, if the vocals are the main event of the song then yeah, you'd want to hear someone with good "vibrato" perhaps. but if its just club boppers, no one cares
club bangers and Rock is about the music and sick beats--not the vocals
upNyaBizznizz 1 year ago 8
haha yeah actually i met this really old guy a few years ago when i was cleaning windows and we got talking about music. he was telling me about how "electric guitar isn't real music" hahaha. i hear you man. its 100% subjective with music always.
elijahlucian 1 year ago
haha imagine Mozart writing his best stuff on a harpsichord and then piano was created in the future, so like everything Mozart played sounded better on piano! but then harpsichord purist of that era probably assembled a bloody lynch mob to burn every piano in sight! haha
i'm sure by popular demand the heroes & legends of those days made the piano the standard.
its all in the mind. if you like certain sounds there is no reason for apologies outside the creativity zone
i respect all music
upNyaBizznizz 1 year ago
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@upNyaBizznizz "club bangers and Rock is about the music and sick beats--not the vocals"
thats so uneducated.."club music" ok i can see if its only music,but as far as rnb and hip-hop there is no other genre (besides spoken word) that is more focused on vocals,and lyrical content..think before posting!
indaswamp 1 year ago
@upNyaBizznizz lolwut. Give Kurt Cobain a vocal tuner, see how distinct his records would be.
RawwestHide 1 year ago
i dont see what was so wrong with the first take it sounded alright with me.. plus wouldnt it be easier to just re-record it instead of doing that? and just using an editing software to patch it up? and perhaps record each verse by its self and then patching it up?
leetfeetman 1 year ago
well i didnt sing off tune enough in this example sorry about that.
but to answer your question. yes it would be easier. however. i just recorded a girl in the studio here and there are plenty of places where her vocals should be redone, however due to scheduling restraints, its easier to just tune the vocals... if you are doing your own stuff or doing things for free then re-recording is fine. however in a commercial environment there are more x-factors that can be solved by things like this
elijahlucian 1 year ago
thanks for this ill be observing
thasnaps 1 year ago
well this guy is a good singer anyways, now he is even better
HalfBillion 2 years ago 11
ahah that a boy ! big pete peve of mine too is when people tune and add effect on their "live" performances on youtube! way to educate the masses!
phaleal 2 years ago
this is truly amazing stuff, i see bands that can sings really good but ive noticed they use programs like this so it really makes u think twice on how good they can sing lol thanks for posting this , this is a really cool video
dylanb101 2 years ago
what kinda microphone are you using
coldhearte859 2 years ago
this was a studio projects C1 in this vid however i don'r really recommend that mic, as the high end is too pronounced. if you have to get a budget mic, get a rode NT1-a. I have the Rode NT2-A now.
elijahlucian 2 years ago
It's true no doubt, it's related to getting older. But people still listen to popmusic which is 50 years old, example The Beatles, Sting, Michael Jackson whatever. If they still playing Pussycat Dolls, Lady Gaga etc.... in 50 years? Well I have my doubts.
fyrstm 2 years ago
i think they will personally. I have the billboard charts since the 1940s. in truth. none of these artists really came up with anything truly different. it was all part of the trends, some were leaders others were followers. but its all about that era. whether or not the music sucked, it will still be remembered just becaues its more than just part of music its part of that era as a whole. the same how clothing styles and popular phrases will be remembered (ie. 90s: NOT! Cowabunga etc.)
elijahlucian 2 years ago
That's one of the reasons, I almost only listen to classical music today. And 3 month ago, I putted my tv in the container.
Popmusic and tv-shows kills your brain and your soul.
fyrstm 2 years ago
also thats part of getting older. pop music is for kids. period. because cliche to us is new to them. you have to understand that. you dont have to like it, but the reason that young people enjoy pop music is because they are hearing this stuff for the first time, where we get sick of it because it's overplayed.
elijahlucian 2 years ago
The way you present this.. I hear no differance..
You should make a new video, with the 'real' and the 'tuned' singing right after one an other.. perhaps then I will hear it..
Sylvairis 2 years ago
hey man. i guess you have a point. i will make another vid tomorrow. thank1
elijahlucian 2 years ago
Concider your self subscribed!.. Else I might miss it! :p
Sylvairis 2 years ago
that's what am talk about! yueeeeeeeee
zirokiller00 2 years ago
Sucks when the industry standard is faking it.
truefd 2 years ago
its been that way for decades now. if it wasnt tuning it was fake performers, fake writers, the whole popular music industry is just for show...
if you don't like it, dont listen to pop music. you'll be happier. nobody is forcing you to turn on the radio or watch tv...
elijahlucian 2 years ago
First timer hearing it, that little bit of Info. just flipped my whole shit upside down.
Thanks alot guy.
balderas512 2 years ago 2
LOL Tbh, I thought the first one was using autotune, it sounded nice.
xMrLaZyx 2 years ago
which type of melodyne should i get?, uno?, studio?, please help x
bangstar6 2 years ago
well i used uno in this one. ive tried both, and i like how straight forward melodyne uno is. its just straight up tuning, the other ones get into more bells and whistles which in the end you dont even need and it just makes it take longer to get done what you need to get done.
so. get melodyne uno
elijahlucian 2 years ago
hey thats a pretty good track your singing. is it yours? if so it has potential nice job keep it up. do you have a myspace
snowman3karrotz 2 years ago
yeah man. it was just a jam that i whipped off for the tutorial.
myspace / elijahlucian
thanks for the comment
elijahlucian 2 years ago
MAAAAN dude you gotta finish that song lol im listening to the video multiple times its a really good song if those are your lyrics, Ill make you a beat if you don't want to use the tutorial one and you could finish the song. you down to do it and put the work in?
snowman3karrotz 2 years ago
Melodyne is way better than autotune, no doubt! But somehow, I can't see the blue "correction" rectangles on mine (to automatically put the notes in correct tune). Can anybody help?
airfloydmusic 2 years ago
you have to use the snap settings. i think its on the bottom left of the window...
elijahlucian 2 years ago
I think Melodyne is better than Autotune, it feels as if it processed the vocals faster and without any weird sounding effects. Go Melodyne!
scenesfromamemory801 2 years ago
yea melodyne do corrects the vocals better... i only use auto-tune for that cool robotic effect, not to correct my voice
00StreetStyler00 2 years ago
melodyne for the fucking win, good job, im getting it right now :D
devpatelx 2 years ago
auto tune is the fucking devil
thetruegents 2 years ago
well. good thing i didnt use autotune.. noob
elijahlucian 2 years ago
correct me if im wrong, but didnt you use autotune if you automatically tuned the pitch of your voice to the correct notes? in the second hook?
SherKhan0122 2 years ago
corrected because you are wrong. this video is 100% melodyne and i always manually tune...
check my other vidi for autotuning
elijahlucian 2 years ago
no, melodyne isnt autotune. its manual for a start, and you can limit how much it has an effect on the audio wave. i use it on guitars too.
SGwizard1 2 years ago
snap
gizmo359c 2 years ago
nice voice
nickmacki 2 years ago
Uh, yeah we can tell when Akon uses effects actually, it's just that he never sings clean so people with no awareness of what the effect sounds like might think he's got a robotic voice from birth. He wasn't born that way, honest, they probably implanted a vocoder in his windpipe for convenience.
BigVizCaseClosed 2 years ago
nice! Anyway, you might be a litle out of tune but your voice has a very nice sound so melodyne only helped you made subtle changes in the pitch.
sonicboyPT 2 years ago
yeah i probably should have sung more out of tune. ah well. ill do another one with melodyne to show it. i just cant find my camcorder :(
elijahlucian 2 years ago
nice vocals what program do u use if you dont mind me asking
MrSimplesimpson 2 years ago
in this tutorial i used melodyne
elijahlucian 2 years ago
Can't figure out the difference.
funoffan 2 years ago
tar m8 for repling so quick thanks nice vocals anyway good job
MrSimplesimpson 2 years ago
fuck it, tune the shit of yo shit.
today, anyone with a mic and an internet connection and not much talent can make a fucking "album" but hey, we're "steeling" their music and movies, so why not. fuck it, Tune the shit out yo shit. if they want a real voice, let um come and hear it at the concert.
PrinceVice 2 years ago
well said....
elijahlucian 2 years ago
hehe...you know that there are pitch correction modules for live performance too right? :P can't tell you how many peaplo use it, i don't know that fact yet. peace.
askerp2007 2 years ago
yeah. ive used autotune live before for fun. there is all kinds of rack mount pitch correction. funny thing is a lot of the time you dont see it used on awards shows and stuff. especially with concerts and stuff its hard, all the background noise is bound to throw off the correction.
elijahlucian 2 years ago
as thet say you learn summut new every day i didnt no that but where cud i get the program and cud u do video showing us how to do it
destinyraps 2 years ago
I believe it's the record companies that just want to make money based on someone who can just barely sing but has sex appeal with the least amount of time in the studio. In the past it was the music first , then the sex appeal...today unfortunately it's the other way around and so what you get is music sounding pretty much all the same, autotune or not!
vracan 2 years ago
On the other hand, I don't think there's anything wrong with using vocal tuning technology to create different sound effects, like in Eiffel 65 - Blue. It's simply using sound technology to manipulate voice just as we manipulate other sources of sound. It's exactly the same as using a synth, an electric guitar, any instrument wich requires electricity.
We could make "pure" music using only live vocals and tam-tams and flutes (and that is fine), but we would be losing a lot of possibilities.
Skuhm 2 years ago
i agree.
the only problem i have is when artists try and pull it off as an acoustic live performance. lol... like if its blantantly obvious like eif65 or cher. then whatever its just an effect. but im not a fan of the fakers. especially the ones here on youtube that try and make it seem all authentic.
elijahlucian 2 years ago