@TheKap1an You are looking way too deep into it. He was given a hypothetical situation and he couldn't deal with it emotionally and logically, it's called cognitive dissonance, and so he was cornered. Pure and simple.
It's good to know that Islamic heaven is full of happiness while people suffer amazing torture for all eternity. It's way worst than anything men could do to each other.
@TheKap1an It doesn't matter if we know or don't know who will go to hell, that's besides the point. The point was that Hamza was asked if he could be happy in heaven if his parents were in hell and he couldn't answer that question. The question is valid, how can anyone enjoy heaven knowing that their loved ones are in hell?
@quickpua well by the i hard some one saying i think one of Richard dawkins speach that if we sent few children in a Irland when we will go after atleast 100 years there we will find a civilization with concenpt of God ,which showa religion is man made ,what ever any one who believe in God and last day their will not be any unjust with him ( in Quran).
He's referring to the god concept, not necessarily religion itself, though polytheism (many gods) would also be a possible result too. But there have been tribes which haven't had their culture contaminated by outsiders (Christian and Muslim preachers) which don't appeared to have developed god concepts and instead developed morality/ethics w/o religions and deities- this might demonstrate there are other things going on here also.
after watching these vedio i knew very well about the moral values of Athiest.s Gods,, you even were not moral with a guest ,,not given him a proper time ,, shame on you
One more thing, AaronRa asked Hamza if he will be happy in heaven knowing that his parents are in hell. Hamza didn't and couldn't answer that question convincingly either, claiming that he can't say that his parents are going to hell or not. AaronRa cornered him by letting him know that since he has told his parents about Islam and since his parents didn't accept Islam, then they are going to hell.
@allahuakbar201 Listen to AronRa's argument around 6:30, Hamza's reply was that it was an emotional argument, which it wasn't. The rest of the video deals with the same issue and Hamza can't answer convincingly.
muslims rely on plenty of miracles and here is hamza talking about one specific miracle which is the quran but doesn't want to talk about the black stone, hajj, moohamed talking to angels, demons, hell, heaven. there's no such thing as miracles if things just are. if we were to go into a time machine and show the humans of those times our iphones with a video playing they would think it was some sort of miracle and start worshipping the iphone. so miracles are all fallacious.
they dnt let him speak theyr all yelling at the same time and u have to admit that hamza did his best 2 and its not fair one man against 6 ppl. a debate is a man to a man or groupe to groupe and the topic should be anounced already so that they can prepare the speach and the arguments !
@drissmao10 Your piss poor excuse wont work this time. HAMZA himself said at the end of the show that the guys were fair to him and did not gang up on him (that is what muslims do in their chat rooms)
Hamza is simply a guy who knows how to talk well and charismatically. Beyond that, he is nothing. He has no indepth knowledge of anything he is saying.
@drissmao10 There is no point carrying on with the argument when the basic premises of the arguments are flawed and every single time Hamza's argument was put down a valid counter-argument was present to explain why his position is flawed. BTW he chickened out of an one-on-one debate with The Rationaliser which he agreed to prior to his humiliating stand off at the magic sandwich show . If you ask me Hamza is having a real hard time defending what he believes so dearly.
I really hope Hamza does this again. Despite all his debating skills and charisma, the guy beating a dead horse. At times i thought Hamza would have a nervous breakdown.
It would have been great if it was a One-on-One with Hamza and Aron Ra. I felt Aron did not speak much, but whenever he did, man..it would have been hard to be in Hamza shoes there..
Almightyatheismo was excellent too...He clearly has a good insight into various religions and literature
@captaindisguise This is part of Hamsa's problem. He wants to be liked and approved of and accepted by those who argue against him. Very revealing. He seeks intellectual equality and parity with his opposition but he cannot have it because he argues from a position of faith rather that empirical truth. He cannot prove anything in the Quran without being blown out of the water he is out of his depth in. All he has is the belief in a ridiculous creed which does not reflect the world we live in.
HAA.. you have to give credit to Hamza for walking in the lion's den and taking all the intellectual beating. Aron Ra was absolutely brilliant. He is all Muscles and Brain. Literally a walking university.
The best part was when Hamza attempted the fine tuning argument. DPRjones asks him a simple question about physics by which Hamza gets totally stumped.
He also attempted the isostasy miracle in the quran to Aron (who is a geology major) and ended up admitting he was WRONG..
@TheKap1an You are looking way too deep into it. He was given a hypothetical situation and he couldn't deal with it emotionally and logically, it's called cognitive dissonance, and so he was cornered. Pure and simple.
It's good to know that Islamic heaven is full of happiness while people suffer amazing torture for all eternity. It's way worst than anything men could do to each other.
quickpua 5 months ago
@TheKap1an It doesn't matter if we know or don't know who will go to hell, that's besides the point. The point was that Hamza was asked if he could be happy in heaven if his parents were in hell and he couldn't answer that question. The question is valid, how can anyone enjoy heaven knowing that their loved ones are in hell?
quickpua 5 months ago
@quickpua well by the i hard some one saying i think one of Richard dawkins speach that if we sent few children in a Irland when we will go after atleast 100 years there we will find a civilization with concenpt of God ,which showa religion is man made ,what ever any one who believe in God and last day their will not be any unjust with him ( in Quran).
amirzubairmughal 4 months ago
@amirzubairmughal
He's referring to the god concept, not necessarily religion itself, though polytheism (many gods) would also be a possible result too. But there have been tribes which haven't had their culture contaminated by outsiders (Christian and Muslim preachers) which don't appeared to have developed god concepts and instead developed morality/ethics w/o religions and deities- this might demonstrate there are other things going on here also.
TurboDally 4 months ago
after watching these vedio i knew very well about the moral values of Athiest.s Gods,, you even were not moral with a guest ,,not given him a proper time ,, shame on you
amirzubairmughal 4 months ago
they posse a question with 5 sentences then they ask for 1 sentence answer, lol
1 vs 4/5 very difficult~
but hamza did fine ,,
raju53 7 months ago
One more thing, AaronRa asked Hamza if he will be happy in heaven knowing that his parents are in hell. Hamza didn't and couldn't answer that question convincingly either, claiming that he can't say that his parents are going to hell or not. AaronRa cornered him by letting him know that since he has told his parents about Islam and since his parents didn't accept Islam, then they are going to hell.
quickpua 7 months ago
@allahuakbar201 Listen to AronRa's argument around 6:30, Hamza's reply was that it was an emotional argument, which it wasn't. The rest of the video deals with the same issue and Hamza can't answer convincingly.
quickpua 7 months ago
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quickpua 7 months ago
god has already created evil here, it doesnt mean thers no god !
penkallli 8 months ago
Well, Hamza got owned.
quickpua 8 months ago
muslims rely on plenty of miracles and here is hamza talking about one specific miracle which is the quran but doesn't want to talk about the black stone, hajj, moohamed talking to angels, demons, hell, heaven. there's no such thing as miracles if things just are. if we were to go into a time machine and show the humans of those times our iphones with a video playing they would think it was some sort of miracle and start worshipping the iphone. so miracles are all fallacious.
halflifeproductionz 8 months ago
they dnt let him speak theyr all yelling at the same time and u have to admit that hamza did his best 2 and its not fair one man against 6 ppl. a debate is a man to a man or groupe to groupe and the topic should be anounced already so that they can prepare the speach and the arguments !
drissmao10 8 months ago
@drissmao10 Your piss poor excuse wont work this time. HAMZA himself said at the end of the show that the guys were fair to him and did not gang up on him (that is what muslims do in their chat rooms)
Hamza is simply a guy who knows how to talk well and charismatically. Beyond that, he is nothing. He has no indepth knowledge of anything he is saying.
captaindisguise 8 months ago
@captaindisguise Absolutely spot on Cap'n. He has no depth anyway
CorporalNym 8 months ago
@captaindisguise CAPTAIN DEGUSIE! Argue all you want! He was ganged up by many atheists ARon RA kept interupting him
ItsTotallyAwsome 4 weeks ago
@drissmao10 There is no point carrying on with the argument when the basic premises of the arguments are flawed and every single time Hamza's argument was put down a valid counter-argument was present to explain why his position is flawed. BTW he chickened out of an one-on-one debate with The Rationaliser which he agreed to prior to his humiliating stand off at the magic sandwich show . If you ask me Hamza is having a real hard time defending what he believes so dearly.
nighrage 7 months ago
I really hope Hamza does this again. Despite all his debating skills and charisma, the guy beating a dead horse. At times i thought Hamza would have a nervous breakdown.
It would have been great if it was a One-on-One with Hamza and Aron Ra. I felt Aron did not speak much, but whenever he did, man..it would have been hard to be in Hamza shoes there..
Almightyatheismo was excellent too...He clearly has a good insight into various religions and literature
captaindisguise 8 months ago
@captaindisguise Agree, I didn't like almightyatheismo interrupting Aron at all. Even thunder for that matters.
Anyways we'll get to see a one-on-one with Rationalizer, imo that should settle it for once and for all.
zombieofgod 8 months ago
@zombieofgod Can you please tell me more about the one-on-one with the Rationalizer?
quickpua 8 months ago
@quickpua He's agreed to debate TheRationalizer around mid july. Lets see if he turns up after all this though.
zombieofgod 8 months ago
@zombieofgod Hamza during the show said he will be coming to Texas for a one-on-one with Aron...I really hope that happens
Aron Ra FTW !
captaindisguise 8 months ago 2
@captaindisguise This is part of Hamsa's problem. He wants to be liked and approved of and accepted by those who argue against him. Very revealing. He seeks intellectual equality and parity with his opposition but he cannot have it because he argues from a position of faith rather that empirical truth. He cannot prove anything in the Quran without being blown out of the water he is out of his depth in. All he has is the belief in a ridiculous creed which does not reflect the world we live in.
CorporalNym 8 months ago
@captaindisguise Wouldn't that be awesome now. I hope that happens, I'd pay to watch that!
zombieofgod 8 months ago
HAA.. you have to give credit to Hamza for walking in the lion's den and taking all the intellectual beating. Aron Ra was absolutely brilliant. He is all Muscles and Brain. Literally a walking university.
The best part was when Hamza attempted the fine tuning argument. DPRjones asks him a simple question about physics by which Hamza gets totally stumped.
He also attempted the isostasy miracle in the quran to Aron (who is a geology major) and ended up admitting he was WRONG..
HA epic
dfhDevilFromHeaven 8 months ago