@hamlit00 My point is to satrically point out to the niche of atheists on youtube that subscribe to the mental health model that if theists are crazy then the obvious conclusion is that the reasoning of all theists are flawed. The fact that MLK was a theist, then atheists who believe theists are mentally retarded and can't come up with anything of merit must disbelieve what he stands for to be consistent in their reasoning in this case black civil rights.
Yikes, I don't really have enough room to address all the nonsense in this video. Who are you arguing against here? Because you don't address any of the arguments Hitchens, Harris, or Dawkins make in their books. It sounds like you read the back cover of each, and maybe a review right before making this video. You look really foolish to anyone who's read the whole things. There are arguments to be made against them, but these are not those arguments.
It's a satire. The point of my video is simple. Don't let your atheism contradict itself or the morals you stand for. That's an illogical belief system. Don't hate Christians for being Christians and don't lump all religions or religious individuals in one basket. It is hate not religion that is the basis of irrational thhought.
@NeuroCross Are you sure this is satire dude? You seemed pretty serious with other user's comments. Also, much of Dawkin's argument against religion deals with the uncompromising way it asserts itself over others, and claims to be fact without evidence, yet flatly denies actual fact that contradicts it's teachings, to the point where the vehemently oppose scientific progress that marginalizes the realm of "God" with each new discovery. He's also quite against indoctrination of children.
Agreed; The bible is very clear you can accept God and you go to heaven or you dont and go to Hell there is no middle ground. RIGHT?
"Eskimo: "If I did not know about God and sin, would I go to hell?"
Priest: "No, not if you did not know." Eskimo: "Then why did you tell me?" If Eskimos go to heaven by default then missionaries are only providing the possiblity of hell. Is Hell is the nonchristian default ?
Or are missionaries providing Hell to those that would dare disagree.
That's a good question. I believe that God is a just God and in the end all those hard questions will be answered when we get there. Afterall, we were made in his image and God gave us an internal sense of right wrong and justice which means this sense of justice that derives from our spirit in the image of God is somewhat similar to His.
Dude, the only thing Richard and Sam are intolerant of is intolerance. Its ok if people believe whatever they want but when you have suicide bombers and theocracies, then its time to stop being PC. Btw i see your very busy responding to others so if you dont respond to me its cool homie.
Actually it's quite the other way around. replies are slow comiing to my comments lol. I'm pretty much the same way when it comes to intolerance but that being said, I think the title itself God Delusion... well you're not just attacking the extremists. Watch my video called Forced Group Polarization. You'll get the idea.
Ill watch your vid but i think people take the word delusion to a very negative place. I would be deluded if i thought that my cat could fly if i had never seen it. The moderates of religion put up a barrier for free thought and to me are a part of the problem.
If by banner you mean facade then I would have to say no. You could not get me to do something terrible in the name of God and secondly you think I haven't looked into and researched things? Let me tell you that I've yet to find and atheist who can give me an answer that satisfies an existential question without raising another one with their answer which is why I find atheist philosophy terribly unsatisfying and circular.
Actually what you're called "flaky" atheism is actually a powerful movement in favor of secularism in a time of hostility and war over religious belief. Most of those people who are now vocal about their atheism were atheist the whole time you are only now hearing about it. Nothing of the drivel that comes out of your mouth was worth my time. Christians are so dense! Get over your savior. He's never coming.
Hostility towards the church is something the church has earned I'll agree with you there but what I'm trying to point out is that atheists ought to be careful not to become what they hate. How does that solve the underlying problem of intolerance?
The church has been responded to with some well deserved hostility and scrutiny which is why I consider atheism a natural reaction. I don't condemn it because I know it's hard to believe the stuff but I find it sad that many atheists don't see that they're becoming what they hate.
Dude, you are starting this entire video with a strawman argument. You are not speaking on behalf of atheists, you are making generalized "atheist" arguments which not even Dawkins has said. There is a big difference between MLK and Christian missionaries. One was to end racism in a democratic nation. The other has the goal of converting people, using food as a bribe. And had you ever read Dawkins, you would know he explains why altruism happens and it does fit evolution.
I've read a debate between Dawkins and one of his academic rivals and to be honest, the other guy pointed out some stuff about altruism that Dawkins didn't even respond to but rather changed the subject so that made me go hmmm...
I think you sorely misunderstood what the atheism movement is all about. Atheism is about valuing truth and knowledge. And as we all know, truth isn't usually too tolerable, a claim is either right or wrong, atheism is about not pretending that a wrong claim is right. All other values come secondary to truth.
The proof of scientific thoeries is different from the proof that one ideology and those who follow it are superior to another to see many atheists interpretation of the God Delusion not to mention Dawkins himself present a dangerously intolerant dogmatic form of atheism is scary indeed. I have no qualms with atheism but rather where it's headed.
So, not pretending that a wrong claim is right is not superior to not investigating whether the claim is right or not? Isn't that like something everyone should strive for? That methodology is about the most "intolerant" thing I've read from Dawkins, which is to say not at all.
Um that was a little confusing so I'll respond to your statement to the best of my ability. Yeah Christians should think critically about their faith.
What existential question? Forgive me if I assume too much, but I dont think theres a question religion can answer that science cannot. I would also like to point out that science has answered alot more questions than any religion. Take for example: gravity, thermodynamics, radiation, dinosaurs, hydraulics. People often claim that religion is where you find the "unanswerable" but its all based on faith and all the faiths contradict each other.
I've read "The God Delusion" by Richard Dawkins. How is he dogmatic? He goes out of his way to say that some of his assertions cannot be definite where there is not enough evidence -- and instead examines probabilities instead for these cases (again based on evidence). As for intolerance -- he only shows intolerance for those ideas that can't be defended using reason and evidence.
By his standards of reasoning and evidence. I'm sorry but as circular reasoning is the fallacy Christians tend to committ, atheists tend to commit and not reconcile the if by whisky fallacy whereby their though is rendered illogical.
Yes. I only feel like my time has been wasted if someone was holding a weapon against my head. In fact, I don't even watch videos unless it's at gunpoint. Your insight is fascinating.
Okay what I am saying here is not that atheists are like this but rather that not even atheists are above the prejudice they criticize the church for. Since both religious and non-religious people can both be prejudiced then we must conclude that religiosity or theism has nothing to do with it but rather all of humanity.
But the work of Israeli psychologist George Tamarin suggests that prejudice is actually enhanced (or maybe even encouraged) by religiosity. Religion acts as an antithesis to tolerance, no matter how much lip service it gives.
The type of religiosity you describe is legalism which yes does not help the tolerance of the world much but Christianity itself is meant to be humanitarian, loving, and more accepting than any other ideology as you build a relationship with God. Blame the stupid Romans for screwing that up. Christianity was never meant to be institutionalized.
Okay that was awkward wording let me rephrase legalism that is the belief that you must follow a bunch of rules to be a good person and if you break these rules you are a bad person is a bad thing.
Spirituality-the enjoyment of a relationship with God that makes you appreciate life and empathize and care for your fellow man and humble yourself knowing you too are a man who makes mistake is not.
Maybe you should read up on George Tamarin's studies. They're not about legalism. They're about the beliefs little children hold because of the religion they're taught. They're about justifying horrendous acts because of the "us/them" mentality that religion generally fosters.
Oh yeah and what about yourself. I am not presenting an us/them mentality. I am saying that WE ALL should look past our own noses and accept every human no matter what he believes in has just as much capability of good or evil so long as those beliefs don't get me killed or make me a second class citizen. Liberalism is about respectful equality my friend. I strive for that very principle. We may disagree but even within that respect is still possible.
So, I'm guessing you're not familiar with the study and have no interest in familiarizing yourself with it...
You have the right to believe whatever you want. If you're so "liberal" then you won't deny me my right to believe that you're crazy if you tell me that jesus wants to live in my heart.
I don't think you get it. I have no problems with atheism really but combine atheism with the prejudices introduced with Briant Sapien and Richard Dawkins and you get an ideology that looks no nicer than the Medieval Catholic Church and anyone with a brain acan see right through that.
The greatest irony is that most atheists consider themselves free thinkers yet the moment they start quiting Dawkins the rest of the world views them as prejudiced bigots and that their claims are outrageously intolerant... now why is that I wonder?
Dawkins is for lack of a better word an extremist he is the slippery slope to a new brand of atheism that is no more tolerant than the Medieval Catholic Church.
Wow I respect any atheist that says that because to be honest you'll find it how mind boggling how many atheists I'd talk to that disagree with you. Now I'm not going to judge every atheist by a stereotype but I will say that in my many dialogs with atheists I have had they have left me with that impression.
Atheism is simply not believing in a god. Atheists can be as immature and as hard-headed as anyone. An atheist is arguably better at spotting some things theists are willingly obtuse about, but otherwise we are not required to be MENSA members.
Lol... well I pretty much agree with what you're saying except I think that theists can be as insightful if they get rid of that atheists are stupid mentality. Hate and intolerance cloud the mind but likewise goes for atheists when dealing with theists.
I concur, although I wouldn't judge either side too harshly from online debates. Anonymity tends to let the more immature lash out without fear of consequence.
Because MLK was not an Atheist we must conclude black civil rights are wrong??? explain yourself...
hamlit00 9 months ago
@hamlit00 My point is to satrically point out to the niche of atheists on youtube that subscribe to the mental health model that if theists are crazy then the obvious conclusion is that the reasoning of all theists are flawed. The fact that MLK was a theist, then atheists who believe theists are mentally retarded and can't come up with anything of merit must disbelieve what he stands for to be consistent in their reasoning in this case black civil rights.
NeuroCross 8 months ago
God on Trial.
Pope2501 1 year ago
good job
08ablenku 3 years ago
Wonderful
pernch 4 years ago
Yikes, I don't really have enough room to address all the nonsense in this video. Who are you arguing against here? Because you don't address any of the arguments Hitchens, Harris, or Dawkins make in their books. It sounds like you read the back cover of each, and maybe a review right before making this video. You look really foolish to anyone who's read the whole things. There are arguments to be made against them, but these are not those arguments.
cfotoole 4 years ago 3
It's a satire. The point of my video is simple. Don't let your atheism contradict itself or the morals you stand for. That's an illogical belief system. Don't hate Christians for being Christians and don't lump all religions or religious individuals in one basket. It is hate not religion that is the basis of irrational thhought.
NeuroCross 4 years ago
@NeuroCross Are you sure this is satire dude? You seemed pretty serious with other user's comments. Also, much of Dawkin's argument against religion deals with the uncompromising way it asserts itself over others, and claims to be fact without evidence, yet flatly denies actual fact that contradicts it's teachings, to the point where the vehemently oppose scientific progress that marginalizes the realm of "God" with each new discovery. He's also quite against indoctrination of children.
Vegetoacs 1 year ago
Agreed; The bible is very clear you can accept God and you go to heaven or you dont and go to Hell there is no middle ground. RIGHT?
"Eskimo: "If I did not know about God and sin, would I go to hell?"
Priest: "No, not if you did not know." Eskimo: "Then why did you tell me?" If Eskimos go to heaven by default then missionaries are only providing the possiblity of hell. Is Hell is the nonchristian default ?
Or are missionaries providing Hell to those that would dare disagree.
gusb232 4 years ago
That's a good question. I believe that God is a just God and in the end all those hard questions will be answered when we get there. Afterall, we were made in his image and God gave us an internal sense of right wrong and justice which means this sense of justice that derives from our spirit in the image of God is somewhat similar to His.
NeuroCross 4 years ago
So your answer is FAITH.
Doesnt Faith just mean not wanting to seek what is true.
gusb232 4 years ago
Dude, the only thing Richard and Sam are intolerant of is intolerance. Its ok if people believe whatever they want but when you have suicide bombers and theocracies, then its time to stop being PC. Btw i see your very busy responding to others so if you dont respond to me its cool homie.
UcanbeGOD 4 years ago
Actually it's quite the other way around. replies are slow comiing to my comments lol. I'm pretty much the same way when it comes to intolerance but that being said, I think the title itself God Delusion... well you're not just attacking the extremists. Watch my video called Forced Group Polarization. You'll get the idea.
NeuroCross 4 years ago
Ill watch your vid but i think people take the word delusion to a very negative place. I would be deluded if i thought that my cat could fly if i had never seen it. The moderates of religion put up a barrier for free thought and to me are a part of the problem.
UcanbeGOD 4 years ago
If by banner you mean facade then I would have to say no. You could not get me to do something terrible in the name of God and secondly you think I haven't looked into and researched things? Let me tell you that I've yet to find and atheist who can give me an answer that satisfies an existential question without raising another one with their answer which is why I find atheist philosophy terribly unsatisfying and circular.
NeuroCross 4 years ago
Actually what you're called "flaky" atheism is actually a powerful movement in favor of secularism in a time of hostility and war over religious belief. Most of those people who are now vocal about their atheism were atheist the whole time you are only now hearing about it. Nothing of the drivel that comes out of your mouth was worth my time. Christians are so dense! Get over your savior. He's never coming.
peppythepanda 4 years ago
Hostility towards the church is something the church has earned I'll agree with you there but what I'm trying to point out is that atheists ought to be careful not to become what they hate. How does that solve the underlying problem of intolerance?
NeuroCross 4 years ago
Wow this was painful to watch. You seriously need to educate yourself in matters of religion and atheism.
shtosuka 4 years ago
The church has been responded to with some well deserved hostility and scrutiny which is why I consider atheism a natural reaction. I don't condemn it because I know it's hard to believe the stuff but I find it sad that many atheists don't see that they're becoming what they hate.
NeuroCross 4 years ago
Dude, you are starting this entire video with a strawman argument. You are not speaking on behalf of atheists, you are making generalized "atheist" arguments which not even Dawkins has said. There is a big difference between MLK and Christian missionaries. One was to end racism in a democratic nation. The other has the goal of converting people, using food as a bribe. And had you ever read Dawkins, you would know he explains why altruism happens and it does fit evolution.
breligion 4 years ago 3
I've read a debate between Dawkins and one of his academic rivals and to be honest, the other guy pointed out some stuff about altruism that Dawkins didn't even respond to but rather changed the subject so that made me go hmmm...
NeuroCross 4 years ago
I think you sorely misunderstood what the atheism movement is all about. Atheism is about valuing truth and knowledge. And as we all know, truth isn't usually too tolerable, a claim is either right or wrong, atheism is about not pretending that a wrong claim is right. All other values come secondary to truth.
chanjl41 4 years ago 2
The proof of scientific thoeries is different from the proof that one ideology and those who follow it are superior to another to see many atheists interpretation of the God Delusion not to mention Dawkins himself present a dangerously intolerant dogmatic form of atheism is scary indeed. I have no qualms with atheism but rather where it's headed.
NeuroCross 4 years ago
So, not pretending that a wrong claim is right is not superior to not investigating whether the claim is right or not? Isn't that like something everyone should strive for? That methodology is about the most "intolerant" thing I've read from Dawkins, which is to say not at all.
chanjl41 4 years ago 2
Um that was a little confusing so I'll respond to your statement to the best of my ability. Yeah Christians should think critically about their faith.
NeuroCross 4 years ago
What existential question? Forgive me if I assume too much, but I dont think theres a question religion can answer that science cannot. I would also like to point out that science has answered alot more questions than any religion. Take for example: gravity, thermodynamics, radiation, dinosaurs, hydraulics. People often claim that religion is where you find the "unanswerable" but its all based on faith and all the faiths contradict each other.
UcanbeGOD 4 years ago
I've read "The God Delusion" by Richard Dawkins. How is he dogmatic? He goes out of his way to say that some of his assertions cannot be definite where there is not enough evidence -- and instead examines probabilities instead for these cases (again based on evidence). As for intolerance -- he only shows intolerance for those ideas that can't be defended using reason and evidence.
scoglan 4 years ago
By his standards of reasoning and evidence. I'm sorry but as circular reasoning is the fallacy Christians tend to committ, atheists tend to commit and not reconcile the if by whisky fallacy whereby their though is rendered illogical.
NeuroCross 4 years ago
this is perhaps the trippiest shit i've ever seen
ecco1mi 4 years ago
Glad you think so. Goes to show that even those without a religion can be prejudice and it is not religion that causes irrationality but prejudice.
NeuroCross 4 years ago
How am I prejudiced? I just think you should consider Broadway.
ecco1mi 4 years ago
Hey I never called you prejudiced now did I? I said that prejudice is the cause of hatred in the world not religion.
NeuroCross 4 years ago
I want my 8.25 minutes back.
arlopickens 4 years ago
Did someone hold a gun at your head?
ByzantineChristian 4 years ago
Yes. I only feel like my time has been wasted if someone was holding a weapon against my head. In fact, I don't even watch videos unless it's at gunpoint. Your insight is fascinating.
arlopickens 4 years ago
How is my "insight" fascinating? You gotta be kidding, right?
Are you one of those cynical atheists just looking to vent out on a Christian? Because it looks like it. Get a life man.
ByzantineChristian 4 years ago
No, I'm not kidding. Truly fascinating. Tell me more about myself, please.
arlopickens 4 years ago
Okay what I am saying here is not that atheists are like this but rather that not even atheists are above the prejudice they criticize the church for. Since both religious and non-religious people can both be prejudiced then we must conclude that religiosity or theism has nothing to do with it but rather all of humanity.
NeuroCross 4 years ago
But the work of Israeli psychologist George Tamarin suggests that prejudice is actually enhanced (or maybe even encouraged) by religiosity. Religion acts as an antithesis to tolerance, no matter how much lip service it gives.
arlopickens 4 years ago
The type of religiosity you describe is legalism which yes does not help the tolerance of the world much but Christianity itself is meant to be humanitarian, loving, and more accepting than any other ideology as you build a relationship with God. Blame the stupid Romans for screwing that up. Christianity was never meant to be institutionalized.
NeuroCross 4 years ago
Okay that was awkward wording let me rephrase legalism that is the belief that you must follow a bunch of rules to be a good person and if you break these rules you are a bad person is a bad thing.
Spirituality-the enjoyment of a relationship with God that makes you appreciate life and empathize and care for your fellow man and humble yourself knowing you too are a man who makes mistake is not.
NeuroCross 4 years ago
Maybe you should read up on George Tamarin's studies. They're not about legalism. They're about the beliefs little children hold because of the religion they're taught. They're about justifying horrendous acts because of the "us/them" mentality that religion generally fosters.
arlopickens 4 years ago 2
Oh yeah and what about yourself. I am not presenting an us/them mentality. I am saying that WE ALL should look past our own noses and accept every human no matter what he believes in has just as much capability of good or evil so long as those beliefs don't get me killed or make me a second class citizen. Liberalism is about respectful equality my friend. I strive for that very principle. We may disagree but even within that respect is still possible.
NeuroCross 4 years ago
So, I'm guessing you're not familiar with the study and have no interest in familiarizing yourself with it...
You have the right to believe whatever you want. If you're so "liberal" then you won't deny me my right to believe that you're crazy if you tell me that jesus wants to live in my heart.
arlopickens 4 years ago
Oh and by the way, I can give thumbs downs too... dumbell.
ByzantineChristian 4 years ago
I didn't give "thumbs down"...
arlopickens 4 years ago
your arguments are horrible. if your beliefs dictate world politics to revolve around 'the end of days' then yes, your beliefs are a big big problem.
kmardes 4 years ago
I don't think you get it. I have no problems with atheism really but combine atheism with the prejudices introduced with Briant Sapien and Richard Dawkins and you get an ideology that looks no nicer than the Medieval Catholic Church and anyone with a brain acan see right through that.
NeuroCross 4 years ago
The greatest irony is that most atheists consider themselves free thinkers yet the moment they start quiting Dawkins the rest of the world views them as prejudiced bigots and that their claims are outrageously intolerant... now why is that I wonder?
NeuroCross 4 years ago
I consider myself a freethinker. I quote Dawkins. I have never been called any of the above.
Driux 4 years ago
Dawkins is for lack of a better word an extremist he is the slippery slope to a new brand of atheism that is no more tolerant than the Medieval Catholic Church.
NeuroCross 4 years ago
I think the Rational Response Squad are worse, and yet they treat Richard Dawkins like Jesus.
UltimoJ 4 years ago
Sounds familiar. Jesus was great, the Church not so much...
NeuroCross 4 years ago
Only a few Atheists are like Richard Dawkins ans Sam Harris. I think you're generalizing a bit.
UltimoJ 4 years ago
The idea is not to attack atheism but rather the outrageous claim that atheists are above prejudice.
NeuroCross 4 years ago
On a different note, can you help me look for an apartment this weekend? AHAHAHAHA!!
UltimoJ 4 years ago
That claim is outrageous, in fact I have never heard it before. Atheism does not inoculate one against stupidity.
Cafeeine 4 years ago 2
Wow I respect any atheist that says that because to be honest you'll find it how mind boggling how many atheists I'd talk to that disagree with you. Now I'm not going to judge every atheist by a stereotype but I will say that in my many dialogs with atheists I have had they have left me with that impression.
NeuroCross 4 years ago
Atheism is simply not believing in a god. Atheists can be as immature and as hard-headed as anyone. An atheist is arguably better at spotting some things theists are willingly obtuse about, but otherwise we are not required to be MENSA members.
Cafeeine 4 years ago
Lol... well I pretty much agree with what you're saying except I think that theists can be as insightful if they get rid of that atheists are stupid mentality. Hate and intolerance cloud the mind but likewise goes for atheists when dealing with theists.
NeuroCross 4 years ago
I concur, although I wouldn't judge either side too harshly from online debates. Anonymity tends to let the more immature lash out without fear of consequence.
Cafeeine 4 years ago
lol I'll give you that. I'm less aggressive in real life than I am in my videos... unless someone just ticks me off but hey we all have those days.
NeuroCross 4 years ago