How could some of the scientists permit themselves to make a claim that would necessitate knowledge as extensive as the scheme of the universe, when their knowledge of the total scheme of being is *close* to zero, when confronted with a whole mass of unknowns concerning this very earth and tangible, lifeless matter, let alone the whole universe?
It is not strange that "something so inherently pleasurable" is the source of guilt. If churches only made people feel guilty about truly bad things, there would be very little need for their help and forgiveness. They need something that everyone is going to want to do. In the Catholic church, they taught us that it was a sin to WANT to do these things. That was really great, because we didn't even need to commit the act to get the sin and guilt.
@pdoyle funny thing too, since I had never been in any church where people were not engaging in sex...there was almost a wink, wink nudge nudge about it all...
To say there is no God is to say there is Love....Religous fears and differnt runway fashionable sins from generations to generations change in there extreem views, But God is Love and Love is real....do on to other as you would have them do on to you, I think God is missunderstood by the world in the teachings of man , How hard is it to Love each other and say Yes love is real and God is that Love.
Your not saved by church, religion, good works Your saved by the grace of God through faith not of yourselves It is the gift of God not of works lest any man should boast. Freemason illuminatists are worshipers of lucifer a goat called the baphomet These satanists created atheists, mormons, jehovah witnesses, and many other false religions only to turn you away from the truth of the bible, to not believe in God because God is Love. They have done this so you give up your rights, New World Order
"Virus" as in malicious coding. Religion is a malicious code that not only bugs our mental function, but that we pass onto others by programming them with the malicious codes.
How could some of the scientists permit themselves to make a claim that would necessitate knowledge as extensive as the scheme of the universe, when their knowledge of the total scheme of being is *close* to zero, when confronted with a whole mass of unknowns concerning this very earth and tangible, lifeless matter, let alone the whole universe?
I'd just like to point out that in Islam you don't go to a "church" or its equivalent to talk to some unknown priest and go "Father I've sinned" and he gives you one or 2 verses to recite and you're free. What's done is done. True if you go to Mecca and walk 7 times (I think) around it you'll be forgiven all your sins, but you only get this opportunity once in a lifetime. So I think muslims are a little less self-indulgent. But still it's based on guilt.
@LOGIC42369 Nobody on Earth has 'No presumption about religion'
When you learn anything about any religion, anywhere, at any time, you automatically build presumptions about that religion and other, opposing religions.
I think what you mean is 'Someone that has not closed their mind to possibilities opposing, or conflicting with, their own'.
It's a fine line, but it's a line with a great shift in perception once crossed.
@iLoVeMaRiTzA12072010 Which God? The God that Muslims believe in? The God that Jews believe in? The God the Christians believe in? The Gods that Hindus believe in? The Gods that the Greeks believed in? The Romans? The Vikings? Zoroastrians? Which one? You have the same chance of being wrong as everybody else. It will sure be funny if YOU are wrong and you're standing in front of Shiva or Thor. So don't think your views are so great and true.
@auroraman56 I'm sorry but grammar taught that God is a noun defining Christian god... all other are with small letter... Stating "Muslim God" is grammatically incorrect, Muslim god or Alah would be correct... So when saying God than its Christian god... Nothing offensive, I'm a non-believer just stating the facts...
@Alexbl100 The meaning is the same. It's a matter of semantics.
Let me set up a simple analogy. You get hit by a maroon car and an eyewitness identifies the car as a red one. The police looks at the car and says to him, "The car is maroon, not red." Then the driver of the car gets off scot-free.
Also, grammar didn't state that, the dictionary definition did.
@Aviatorsmith ok I agree I was wrong in defining the thing actually being defined by dictionary not grammar, anyway I wasn't accusing this guy of anything so I guess your analogy doesn't apply... I was just stating something...
Religions have no right for exclusiveness over anything. Emotional problems, see a good friend or a shrink. Marriage trouble, an adviser. Sexuality, a medic or again a shrink. Lack of self esteem or guilt a psychologist. And so on. Priests, reverends, rabbis & the whole bunch of them should just get a life and f**k off once and for all!
I strongly believe in God because he has shown me the reality that he exists throughout my life, But I do agree that as far as I can tell most Christians are really out of hand, Some of the things religious people say make no sense, And some things they try to base on the bible they are actually taking it WAY out of context, Such as masturbation. God punished him for not having a baby like he was told, Not because of the reason most Christians I have talked to think. God's blessings be upon you.
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the speakers have a distorted view about sex... sex brings two individuals closer on physical,emotional and intimate levels. u cant downplays that fact to make it something casual that u do and then get up and leave. the truth of the matter is sex is something that bonds u to the other person. so u would literally have to numb yourself through constant sex to make it into something casual. so ur gonna have to come up with better reasons why religion is wrong on their views of sex.
@Gods0n1 What about the large number of people who do have casual sex with people they don't know? the numbers of people who go out, find someone, have a one night stand and then have nothing to do with the person?
Sex does not always bring individuals closer together. Sometimes rape brings a group of people closer together, pack-rape is sometimes a form of group bonding. Consentual sex is something people do firstly because it feels good, bonding is maybe a result of good feeling.
@57worldwide but your not responding to the points i brought up.. and rape is not sumthing i would condone. please respond to the statement i made in my comment. to be honest, ive been going to church for over 20 years, and ive never heard a talk about masterbation and would argue churches as a whole dont event talk about sex topics. u asked me what about people that go out and have sex simply because it feels good?.. i would argue there are more cons than pros for doing that.
@Gods0n1 Why religion is wrong? For one, the Pope has said that using condoms helps to spread HIV. You don't have to have constant sex to make it something casual. That's silly, like I can only smoke or drink casually if I'm doing it constantly. Nonsense.
I never said people have sex simply because it feels good, I said firstly. As in, there are other reasons but the most important reason why people are here in the first place is because sex feels good. Pros and cons?
@Gods0n1 Pros.. it feels good, and lets u decided if u want the person physically before u make a commitment to them...
Cons: Most ppl get what they want and dont bother with commitement. its an act of selfishness by gratifying yourself and not building a connection . majority of women prefer to wait till they are commited. it numbs men and becomes casual instead of intimate. it provokes men to be promiscuous with lots of girls. it results in 80% of heartbreaks, abortions and stds
5:00 actually that guy is wrong.. guilt IS actually built in. and many atheists try and explain it through evolution. and religion dosent want to make u feel guilty for having sex, they put guidlines for sex and its meant to be used in marriage.
people could learn alot about religions view on sex... they tell us to wait for marriage. i think this alone would help prevent unwanted pregnancys, stds, abortions and heartache.
For the almighty creator of the universe and all that exists, he sure seems to like playing petty little games. If he didn't want people having sex before marriage, why not design the sexual urge to only kick in after you're married? God can not be both all powerful and utterly conflicted. Well then he must just work in mysterious ways right? If that is the case then nothing he says can truly be trusted at face value anyway and we need to stop trying to interpret him and just live.
@Damienf77 Better yet, if he didn't wanna confuse us about his message, why wouldn't he write it clearly, so that it can evaluated logically and with evidence? Why the enigma, so that even within a religion, different group claims to be the one to get it right. It would be nice to tell exactly which one of the ignorant bronze age nomadic savage goat herders, busy killing and raping their neighbors, he really inspired to write his fantastic fable. A magical hand signature would have help.
@petion2010 How true. Maybe he is just highly entertained by the confusion and mass destruction of each new major religion he births into the world. He finds it fascinating how we struggle endlessly with things like having enough to eat, diseases (of both mind and body) and natural disasters.He IS omnipotent and omniscient after all and could have forgone every bit of this garbage that he himself created (and likes to blame us powerless mere mortals for), instead he demands worship for it... bah
the whole masturbation issue eventually lead me to being an atheist. i couldnt help BUT to masturbate. and as a christian i felt horrible and eventually accepted that i was going to hell. so naturally, when i found out that all religion is just bullshit, i felt SO much better. i didnt feel dirty, i didnt feel worthless, i didnt feel like a horrible person who couldnt control himself. i know that masturbation is normal now and to a degree, necessary. keeps people from going out and raping others.
In greek mythology Zeus even transformed himself into a human male to fuck other people in the ass. Not saying that everyone should fuck each other in the ass, but Christianity shouldn't have anything to say in this world. not about anything. They raped this whole world back into the dark ages. We would have been flying with the stars for 500 years by now if that plague didn't supress any advancement that would jeopardize its power. Cool name btw.
Why argue about how the universe came into being? We are all right here right now. What we should do is discus morals. That said, we shouldn't blindly follow anything, whether I'd be a president, a general, or a book coughBiblecough. We should get together as a species, banish all bias, and come up with universal, practical rules. Like Dr. Darrel said, "Why waste energy banning masturbation when everyone is going to do it anyway." Banning innate, harmless desires is just stupid.
@DaFleegsta I disagree on that, but only because some people are too stupid to use it responsibly. I can deal with not having a joint. I cannot deal with getting rear-ended because some idiot had to smoke.
@DaFleegsta But think about it. Weed would give people an additional way to get high. Laws are often made only to be broken by idiots. If they can't get a drink, then they'll smoke weed. Either way, innocent people will pay the price. If I had it my way, alcohol would also be illegal as well as cigarettes. We're way past the point where we can do that, so the way I see it, we'd better not add to the drugs.
@MunkyDrag0n "Weed would give people an additional way to get high." ...Exactly.. That's the point of drugs lol.. That's why I wish it were legal, I love getting high. It sucks that weed is illegal because it'd be a safe, easy, and generally an efficient way to feel good (and even help you in terms of eating disorders, sleeping disorders, depression, etc). Marijuana is very beneficial, if used responsibly.
I think the key word here is responsibility. We should enforce proper use, not no use.
@MunkyDrag0n A matter of fact weed currently does more harm while it's illegal. People are often misinformed about dangerous ways to smoke it (like pop cans, or tin foil) and the fact that they have to deal with drug dealers to get it can also be dangerous, as many could be assosiated with ACTUAL dangerous people.
I don't smoke weed often, but when I do I'm responsible enough to not do stupid shit afterwards (like driving or operating machinery). I just think responsible use should be enforced.
@DaFleegsta How can you control people? Not a jail, a fine, nor a nightstick can convince people not to be stupid. You see this all the time in drunk drivers. Should we issue marijuana cards? Then people would forge them. I personally want to ban drinking and smoking cigars while legalizing marijuana :P.
@MunkyDrag0n Well you can't garantee the prevention of anything.. That's why crime still exists.. But we can create laws and hope for the best, and adjust the consequences of those laws if they don't seem to be working good enough.
I'm just saying marijuana is illegal for the wrong reasons :( If safety really was the issue, they should ban cigerettes, alcohal, etc before marijuana.
@DaFleegsta Now that I agree with. I think the whole concept of laws is wrong if the penalties for breaking them are so lenient. Marijuana IS illegal for the wrong reasons. People think it's dangerous and irresponsible, but what do they call smoking cigars and drinking? In the end the reason is all about money. Marijuana is cheap, so the tobacco companies want to keep it off the market. Simple as that.
@MunkyDrag0n It appears You went to restrict People's liberties. What's your view on the 2nd. Amendment ? What about Defense of Marriage / Don't ask Don't tell ? Should Women have Free Choice ? We're free to live Our lives & make personal decisions so long as We don't violate other People's rights.
@tranquility4all Yes, I want to restrict the rights of people to get addicted, make public disturbances, get put on rehab, kill and injure others, and inflict harm on themselves. I wrote humans are beyond the point where they can recognize harmful things like drugs and firearms. I do not want to go against the Constitution. I said, "IF I had it my way..." I can't, so leave me alone! If you think marriage, free choice, and privacy are equal to drug and gun use, then you are very shallow.
@MunkyDrag0n If You had Your way You'd would be violating the Constitution. Obviously You never read the Constitution or are too stupid to understand it. We live in a Country which respects & protects the Rights of ALL People NOT just the insane Neo Cons like You !
@tranquility4all I am sure there are a lot of protected acts that YOU don't agree with, like my right to call you an asshole. Harmless actions like marriage I have no problem with. Some acts are physically harmful to the actor and nearby people. You and they don't give a damn. Instead of changing, they want to reserve the right to be stupid, like you. You're a patriot? Go to Arkansas and see if Mexican rights are protected. BTW, I already said I can't do shit about it and won't. You are blocked!
@MunkyDrag0n I respect everyone's right to Free Speech. Even a Genetically Deficient Brain Dead ASS HOLE like You is entitled to Free Speech. You're a textbook example of what is created when siblings procreate. It's sad that If You had Your way You would want to deny People access to their rights.
Your abundance of Ignorance complements Your excess of STUPIDITY.
... you are approaching it like it has already been determined whether there is a 'scheme of being' or a 'scheme of the universe.' As anyone with a brain cell would know, that is a shitty way to make an argument and it isn't going to fool anybody. Please try and make a sensible reply instead of the usual baseless, assertions that you have made in your other comments.
... anything was created by any method that was not natural.
Your logic is more flawed than mine becaue you are believing ancient myths based on ABSOLUTELY no evidence or justification. Any impartial observer would see that your viewpoint is much less logical than mine. Rather than believe the (completely un-supported by evidence) claim that 'GOD DID IT!' why not take the less arrogant path and simply tell the truth by saying 'I don't know.'
You don't know? Then why the hell are you quibbling in vain for? What you think, you got the brain for? Eating bananas and thinking about your so called monkey ancestors? Oh, grow up! Use you brain OR ask those who know instead of your quibbling in vain, O' Brainless cuckoo atheists with asinine mind!
Give answer otherwise CLOCK OFF!
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The chain of causality cannot recede into infinity!!!!!
Its hard to explain but i believe are immorals, with drastic population growth, are resulting in indirect creation of knew diseases and disorders. Morals probably were saving us from sleeping around, because as more and more people don't seem to care about morals for themselves and others anymore more diseases seems to be appearing more common.
@XFerginatorX Is it at all possible that the cells of the body should learn their functions, pursue their aim in a precise and orderly fashion, and crystallize so miraculously in the world of being, without there being a conscious and powerful being to instruct them?
Is it not rather the case that phenomena such as these prove and demonstrate, with the utmost emphasis, the need for a plan, a design, a guiding hand inspired by conscious will?
Because of also population growth we are indirectly creatin g diseases to kill off the weak for the survival of the fittest. Like the Black moth theory. White moths that became black when the industrial age came to limit population.
Sorry i don't remember how went but it shows that if mixing speed and an STD together to make a worse STD, creating stds probably was are result. We had 3 major known STDs in the Time when Rome was around and they didn't just magically get there, somehow someone was most likely responsible for creating that. But prosonally, from a science prespective, i believe its darwins theory that we are resulting for these STDs being created.
So im just saying i enjoy morals because even though may use fear, they are mostly for best, but not everyone has that opinion or even wants to obey morality but i am just saying im glad that i can have emotion and morals to feel for others. I just couldn't face living in a world where no one cared about anyone else just out for themselves. Thats just how i fell. Sorry for the long comment(s)
There is a show called "I shouldn't be alive" where a man had to make a decision were he could have ran and escaped and leave his friends to die by his captors or stay and escape with them but probably fail. Is morals he chose to stay and not leave them behind.
Even though people can choose what they wanted to do, the moral trying to be implented would result in future generations from having to be effected by, what the morals i am talking about that see as bad, the decisions of the past. So sure people have their opinions whether they want to do what ever they want or care about the well beings of others.
If people waited til marriage, or waiting time they wanted, and had sex with only that one person it would have resulted in a complete end to STDs altogether. So actually the morals to sex that people think we shouldn't have or care about actually would have been for the better.
In any cult (religious or otherwise) one of the first things the "leader" (or leaders) attempt to control is sex. Sex is the strongest impulse in humans and if they can get control of that, they have the person by the balls (pun intended)!
Man this shit sounds almost as stupid as the don't blame me i have the slut gene its not my fault i have to sleep with alot of people, or the cheating gene its not your fault because your husband/wife or gf/bf cheats on they have have the cheating gene and ya have to learn to be ok if your lover cheats on you or your closed minded with the new gene theories, which in my opinion is just certain people using science to say what they are doing that is known to be wrong to be now be considered ok.
Despite the fact that there is no real "right" and "wrong". Like being a slut. I don't really have a problem with somebody being a slut. If that makes them happy... The problem is that it generally does NOT make them happy, nor the people around them :(. You don't have to be ok with it if your lover cheats on you, but using morality and possibly science to determine reasons for things and try to make a better world is good. Like we all knew that black people were dumb. We were wrong.
If you have seen Equilibrium that would be way the world would look if people had no emotions. I'm glad that the world is like the way it is, i would never want to be apart of a world of no morals I think we are better off the way we are then to live in a world where you don't care, where ur daughter is getting gangbanged by several men shes got 10 STDs, ur son is dealing drugs and killing people, and ur wife is sleeping around with the nextdoor neighbor and you like "all well idc"
@XFerginatorX I also don't want to live in a world where my grandson is harassed and murdered by black people. My point is that the arguements you made are pretty much unrelated to my comment... Read it again maybe? Or argue why there IS an absolute morality if you think there is...
@TakesTwoToTango Not everyone has morals and thats the result, murder. When no one cares about their actions, if the world were filled with no morals or emotion you would see more of that. I read you comment and you think being a slut you don't care what they do. If we didn't care about others we would still be living like cavemen, no one working together just everyone out for themselves. how is talking about black people means anything about morals or emotions, they are human like everyone else
@XFerginatorX My point is that using science to discover facts is a good things. Partially thanks to science, we know that blacks are human beings like everyone else. Turns out black people are not somewhere between monkeys and white people! It just illustrates my point that there is no absolute morality. Where did I say I didn't care about fellow human beings? I care so deeply I think to consider the reasons behind their actions!
@XFerginatorX You see, the only point I've been trying to make here (that apparently I didn't bring across) is that there isn't an absolute morality. Especially not when you're looking at particular cases. For instance I don't know what you mean by "slut", but I don't have a problem with the act of having meaningless sex with random strangers very frequently. What I do care about is that the involved people know what they're doing and that it doesn't turn out bad for them.
@TakesTwoToTango But the genes, like slut and cheating genes, proved just to be propaganda so that if political officials or someone popular later on in when the gene theory would catch on they they could use it for excuses. The actual science community denies the gene theories because they were the first to shoot them down when presented and tested the thoery themselves. Anyway meanless sex with random strangers strangers ended up resulting in new STDs like AIDS.
@XFerginatorX That's how they spread, not how they develop. AIDS originated in apes apparently, so that would take "random stranger" to a whole new level... I did mean human strangers ;) xD. We have measures to prevent the spreading of std's by the way. They're called condoms. Anyway: anybody who isn't scientifically illiterate 'll smell something really fishy when hearing about slut or cheating genes, and the scientific community denied it as you said. So your comment was about the (continued)
@XFerginatorX (cont) abuse of pseudoscience by whoever wants to fool the public for personal gain or due to ignorance? That's another thing: I hate it when that happens :s. Creationism, quantum healing, intelligent design, fortune telling,... All garbage :(.
@TakesTwoToTango Then how can the atheists delude themselve and believe that hydrogen and oxygen, electrons and protons, should first produce themselves, then be the source for all other beings, and finally decree the laws that regulate themselves and the rest of the material world?
@1tabligh Actaully condoms still have chances of failing, breaking and tearing. So you could still get STds and prego. No one knows the actual origins where AIDS came from and who caused it. Because the monkey theory even has flaws to it too. Not sure if this was someone my dad knew, but because he was a speed addict and had a certain std, can't remember which it was, and was having sex and resulted in, somehow, putting Speed and the STD together createda harsher form the the STD.
@1tabligh Because that's pretty unrelated to morality and pseudoscience? Except the part where hydrogen, oxygen, electrons and protons produce themselves... That's pseudoscience right there buddy... Virtual particles spawn into life all the time, and the predominance of matter over antimatter is apparently a consequence of a breaking of symmetry in the weak force. The big bang theory stands better than a being who is made out of nothing creating everything out of nothing...
@TakesTwoToTango How could it be believed that matter should itself be the origin of millions of attributes and characteristics and thus be the equivalent of the purposeful, wise and all-knowing Creator?
How can it be supposed that belief in the existence of God is the acceptance of contradiction, whereas belief in the uncaused nature of an effect such as matter is not contradictory?
@1tabligh Because there's actually scientifical evidence for science... Evidence that's even impossible to deliver for "God". The theories you don't believe without knowing them make predictions that are unrelated to the observations that lead to the theory. When these predictions are observed, they turn out to be true... That combined with the greatest minds not being able to poke a hole in the theories for many decades generally results in a firm theory that is very likely to be true...
@TakesTwoToTango Is it at all feasible to regard all the geometry, functioning and movement of the universe as the outcome of matter in its ignorance?
@1tabligh What do you mean by the outcome of matter in it's ignorance? If I'm understanding this right, you're focussing completely on the 5% of the universe that's "matter", why is that anyway?
@TakesTwoToTango Is it logical to say that belief in God is peculiar to those who know nothing about man's composition and creation, and that, by contrast, a scientist who is aware of the natural laws and factors responsible for man's growth and development, who knows that law and precise calculation preside over all stages of man's existence, is bound to believe that matter, lacking all perception and consciousness, is the source of the wondrous laws of nature?
@1tabligh No, which is ppb why I've never heard anybody say such a thing... As far as we know natural laws cause matter, not the other way around. I think you have a wrong image of matter. It's not everything... Matter is a form of energy (which in itself is a vague concept). It makes up roughly 5% of the universe; the rest being dark matter and dark energy. Did you invent that "mattercentral" way of thinking yourself? It's extremely peculiar :s
@TakesTwoToTango Is it not more logical to posit the existence of intelligence, will and planning in the creation of and ordering of the world than to attribute creativity to matter which lacks intelligence, thought, consciousness and the power to innovate?
@1tabligh No, because it presupposes that there's a will and planning, and because it's based on nothing. Both of your self-invented theories are equally invalid. Now stop talking without reading my posts? oO
@TakesTwoToTango Belief in the existence of a wise creator is without doubt more logical than faith in the creativity of matter, which has neither perception, consciousness, nor the ability to plan; we cannot attribute to matter all the properties and attributes of intelligence that we see in the world and the ordering will that it displays.
Deluded atheist looks at the world with BOTH eyes *closed* and, as a result, are unable to answer ALL the questions!
Before he enters the realm of science and knowledge with all its concerns, man is able to perceive certain truths by means of these innate perceptions. But after entering the sphere of science and philosophy and filling his *brain* with various proofs and deductions, he may forget his natural and innate perceptions or begin to doubt them. It is for this reason that
@1tabligh Yeh, modern science cannot answer all the questions as of yet, but we don't actually PRETEND to know the answers like you do. All you care about is getting an answer, you don't give a flying fuck whether it is true or not, or how harmful it can be to other people, just as long as you get it. Tbh you are being extremely arrogant to claim that you know this, whereas scientists are being much less arrogant becasue they admit they don't know. I don't understand your mindset at all.
@FrankieSayRelaxxx1 Then how can you delude yourself and believe that hydrogen and oxygen, electrons and protons, should first produce themselves, then be the source for all other beings, and finally decree the laws that regulate themselves and the rest of the material world?
@1tabligh ??? Are you blind? Can you not speak English? I did not claim to believe this and I never have. Fucking religious morons making unfounded assumptions about none religious people is so annoying. It's like arguing with a 7 year old...
@1tabligh You lie, name ONE question which I have dodged!
You own argument is flawed to the core. You only believe that the univserse in its complexity needs an all powerful designer, what you have said is nothing more than biased bullcrap which is based on assertions that are themselves baseless.
Oh yea, you should probably look up evolution aswell before you making more mindless assumptions based on nothing but your own ignorance. You are making yourself look quite stupid you know.
@1tabligh What does scientology have to do with anything? Maybe you should research the science associated with these laws you speak of and find out yourself.
@FrankieSayRelaxxx1 Is it logical to say that belief in God is peculiar to those who know nothing about man's composition and creation, and that, by contrast, a scientist who is aware of the natural laws and factors responsible for man's growth and development, who knows that law and precise calculation preside over all stages of man's existence, is bound to believe that matter, lacking all perception and consciousness, is the source of the wondrous laws of nature?
@FrankieSayRelaxxx1 How could it be believed that matter should itself be the origin of millions of attributes and characteristics and thus be the equivalent of the purposeful, wise and all-knowing Creator?
How can it be supposed that belief in the existence of God is the acceptance of contradiction, whereas belief in the uncaused nature of an effect such as matter is not contradictory?
@1tabligh Scientists do not pretend to know the answer!! How often do I have to tell you people!? Why plug the gap in human understanding with your Judaeo-Christian God? Why not be a deist instead? I have no problem with deism, though it is belief without justification at least there is no religious dogma attached to it. It's also funny how you just said 'thus' when it actual fact it doesn't link your argument at all. You have no idea how stupid you sound! There is no evidence to suggest that,,,
How could some of the scientists permit themselves to make a claim that would necessitate knowledge as extensive as the scheme of the universe, when their knowledge of the total scheme of being is *close* to zero
when confronted with a whole mass of unknowns concerning this very earth and tangible, lifeless matter, let alone the whole universe?
Do scientific discoveries and knowledge cause such a scientist to conclude that matter, *** unknowing and unperceiving ***, is his creator and that of all beings?
How is that for YOUR "You have no idea how stupid you sound!" and answer the questions instead of your quibbling in vain?!
@1tabligh My mistake, you sound a lot more like an evangelical christian in the way you speak.
There is nobody that 'knows' the answer to where everything came from. There are just people who guess and CLAIM they know (like you), and people who simply admit that they don't know and cannot know with our current level of scientific understanding.
You are so stupid in the way that you "need" an answer, you obviously don't even care if it is true or not, you just want an answer...
@brdatwork Then how can you delude yourself and believe that hydrogen and oxygen, electrons and protons, should first produce themselves, then be the source for all other beings, and finally decree the laws that regulate themselves and the rest of the material world?
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How could some of the scientists permit themselves to make a claim that would necessitate knowledge as extensive as the scheme of the universe, when their knowledge of the total scheme of being is *close* to zero, when confronted with a whole mass of unknowns concerning this very earth and tangible, lifeless matter, let alone the whole universe?
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It is not strange that "something so inherently pleasurable" is the source of guilt. If churches only made people feel guilty about truly bad things, there would be very little need for their help and forgiveness. They need something that everyone is going to want to do. In the Catholic church, they taught us that it was a sin to WANT to do these things. That was really great, because we didn't even need to commit the act to get the sin and guilt.
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@pdoyle funny thing too, since I had never been in any church where people were not engaging in sex...there was almost a wink, wink nudge nudge about it all...
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To say there is no God is to say there is Love....Religous fears and differnt runway fashionable sins from generations to generations change in there extreem views, But God is Love and Love is real....do on to other as you would have them do on to you, I think God is missunderstood by the world in the teachings of man , How hard is it to Love each other and say Yes love is real and God is that Love.
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Your not saved by church, religion, good works Your saved by the grace of God through faith not of yourselves It is the gift of God not of works lest any man should boast. Freemason illuminatists are worshipers of lucifer a goat called the baphomet These satanists created atheists, mormons, jehovah witnesses, and many other false religions only to turn you away from the truth of the bible, to not believe in God because God is Love. They have done this so you give up your rights, New World Order
kjvtruth1 1 week ago
god is a myth the buybull is a fairytale.
billbo1154 1 week ago
The irony .... the freakiest sexual "deviants" are christians ... dungeon porn anyone?
KittenKoder 1 week ago
these guys look like the virgins who play world of warcraft at my college
fufuy0 1 week ago
It becomes hard when someone youre close with is very religous and you arnt and you dont want to hurt that person and your relationship with them
raysetiger285 1 week ago
Totally agree with this 100%!
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9:15-9:28
Catholicism IS a Christian religion, idiot.
(actually, it's the largest Christian religion on Earth)
If he doesn't even know the baisic definition of Christianity, then why should I buy his book?
Dr. Ruth would probbably be a better authority on the subject.
SinnFein4ever 3 weeks ago
"Virus" as in malicious coding. Religion is a malicious code that not only bugs our mental function, but that we pass onto others by programming them with the malicious codes.
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The atheist Delusion!
How could some of the scientists permit themselves to make a claim that would necessitate knowledge as extensive as the scheme of the universe, when their knowledge of the total scheme of being is *close* to zero, when confronted with a whole mass of unknowns concerning this very earth and tangible, lifeless matter, let alone the whole universe?
1tabligh 1 month ago
Atheism = better sex.
FACT
wagnar 1 month ago
Hinduism? What about kamasutra? I thought it was they only big religion that viewed sexual desires as ok. Well probably after marriage anyway.
offwithurhead 1 month ago
@offwithurhead It had a book of filled with sex moves.
PolitcalIslam 1 month ago
I'd just like to point out that in Islam you don't go to a "church" or its equivalent to talk to some unknown priest and go "Father I've sinned" and he gives you one or 2 verses to recite and you're free. What's done is done. True if you go to Mecca and walk 7 times (I think) around it you'll be forgiven all your sins, but you only get this opportunity once in a lifetime. So I think muslims are a little less self-indulgent. But still it's based on guilt.
InfinityDz 1 month ago
12 Virgins disliked this video!!!
1989NikeMcfly 1 month ago
OMG WHERE DID U GET THE FLYING SPAGETTI MONSTER!!!!
theblind1s 1 month ago
Everything in this video makes perfect sense to someone with no presumtion about religion, is anyone inclined to agree?
LOGIC42369 1 month ago
@LOGIC42369 Nobody on Earth has 'No presumption about religion'
When you learn anything about any religion, anywhere, at any time, you automatically build presumptions about that religion and other, opposing religions.
I think what you mean is 'Someone that has not closed their mind to possibilities opposing, or conflicting with, their own'.
It's a fine line, but it's a line with a great shift in perception once crossed.
DeathsHood 1 month ago
Mary and god didn't get merried lol how did that rule even come up.
a084123 2 months ago
did anyone else when matt said arbiter say wort wart wort or blarrggg in their heads? :L halo xD
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Fear controlls everything. Why do people believe in god? Fear of punishment,
Why wont you dress different? Fear of judgment,
Why wont you steal? Fear of prison.
HoeBenDover 2 months ago 5
I dunno what is about the word masterbation, it makes me cringe... please, wank, jerk off, have a tug, anything, just not that word.
MrLittletomdj 2 months ago
@MrLittletomdj Unless you're an excellent fisher. In that case, being a master baiter should be acceptable no?
iz2sicc 2 months ago in playlist Religion/Atheism
Is Matt trolling the camera while they talk about masturbation?
paulmag91 3 months ago
Mr Ray is very clever.
chibraxial 3 months ago
That will be funny if y'all are wrong and there is a God:)
iLoVeMaRiTzA12072010 3 months ago
@iLoVeMaRiTzA12072010 Yeah, that would be very funny. But I bet God could forgive me and start hanging out with me and Odin a little time after that.
SREproducciones 3 months ago
@iLoVeMaRiTzA12072010 Which God? The God that Muslims believe in? The God that Jews believe in? The God the Christians believe in? The Gods that Hindus believe in? The Gods that the Greeks believed in? The Romans? The Vikings? Zoroastrians? Which one? You have the same chance of being wrong as everybody else. It will sure be funny if YOU are wrong and you're standing in front of Shiva or Thor. So don't think your views are so great and true.
auroraman56 3 months ago 19
@auroraman56 Well said :D
a084123 2 months ago
@auroraman56 Exactly
bigblockvista 1 month ago
@auroraman56 I'm sorry but grammar taught that God is a noun defining Christian god... all other are with small letter... Stating "Muslim God" is grammatically incorrect, Muslim god or Alah would be correct... So when saying God than its Christian god... Nothing offensive, I'm a non-believer just stating the facts...
Alexbl100 3 weeks ago
@Alexbl100 But see here's the thing ... I don't give a flying fuck.
auroraman56 3 weeks ago
@auroraman56 fine live in your ignorance
Alexbl100 3 weeks ago
@Alexbl100 See previous comment.
auroraman56 3 weeks ago
@Alexbl100 The meaning is the same. It's a matter of semantics.
Let me set up a simple analogy. You get hit by a maroon car and an eyewitness identifies the car as a red one. The police looks at the car and says to him, "The car is maroon, not red." Then the driver of the car gets off scot-free.
Also, grammar didn't state that, the dictionary definition did.
Aviatorsmith 1 week ago
@Aviatorsmith ok I agree I was wrong in defining the thing actually being defined by dictionary not grammar, anyway I wasn't accusing this guy of anything so I guess your analogy doesn't apply... I was just stating something...
Alexbl100 1 week ago
Religions have no right for exclusiveness over anything. Emotional problems, see a good friend or a shrink. Marriage trouble, an adviser. Sexuality, a medic or again a shrink. Lack of self esteem or guilt a psychologist. And so on. Priests, reverends, rabbis & the whole bunch of them should just get a life and f**k off once and for all!
cuevarap 3 months ago
There is no cure, you have to fight it yourself.
vatiz93 4 months ago
neoman what does "GOD" look like? is he black, white, mexican, chineese, japanese, asain?
AwEoMeGuY1 4 months ago
@AwEoMeGuY1 Maybe he's every race/culture. (If he exists, which I believe he doesn't.)
ozzyfest1989 4 months ago
@AwEoMeGuY1 not to digress, but i think chinese and japanese are a part of the 'asian' category.
shadowstone13 1 month ago
"My first sexual experience was really scary.
It was dark, and I was all alone."
- Billy Connolly
naganokumas 5 months ago 63
@naganokumas Haha I love billy connolly too he's hilarious XD
InfinityDz 1 month ago
I strongly believe in God because he has shown me the reality that he exists throughout my life, But I do agree that as far as I can tell most Christians are really out of hand, Some of the things religious people say make no sense, And some things they try to base on the bible they are actually taking it WAY out of context, Such as masturbation. God punished him for not having a baby like he was told, Not because of the reason most Christians I have talked to think. God's blessings be upon you.
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TheServiceWeb 6 months ago
The Bible wasn't written by God... Remember that. Religion is man-made. Don't trust religion. Though some of the recent prophecies are coming true...
THINGYTHINGY100 6 months ago
you don't think that a god may have made sex feel good to make us procreate but of course i am defeated by a bafoon with a wiffle ball bat
chrismstrshk 7 months ago
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dkthg 7 months ago
the speakers have a distorted view about sex... sex brings two individuals closer on physical,emotional and intimate levels. u cant downplays that fact to make it something casual that u do and then get up and leave. the truth of the matter is sex is something that bonds u to the other person. so u would literally have to numb yourself through constant sex to make it into something casual. so ur gonna have to come up with better reasons why religion is wrong on their views of sex.
Gods0n1 7 months ago
@Gods0n1 What about the large number of people who do have casual sex with people they don't know? the numbers of people who go out, find someone, have a one night stand and then have nothing to do with the person?
Sex does not always bring individuals closer together. Sometimes rape brings a group of people closer together, pack-rape is sometimes a form of group bonding. Consentual sex is something people do firstly because it feels good, bonding is maybe a result of good feeling.
57worldwide 7 months ago
@57worldwide but your not responding to the points i brought up.. and rape is not sumthing i would condone. please respond to the statement i made in my comment. to be honest, ive been going to church for over 20 years, and ive never heard a talk about masterbation and would argue churches as a whole dont event talk about sex topics. u asked me what about people that go out and have sex simply because it feels good?.. i would argue there are more cons than pros for doing that.
Gods0n1 7 months ago
@Gods0n1 Why religion is wrong? For one, the Pope has said that using condoms helps to spread HIV. You don't have to have constant sex to make it something casual. That's silly, like I can only smoke or drink casually if I'm doing it constantly. Nonsense.
I never said people have sex simply because it feels good, I said firstly. As in, there are other reasons but the most important reason why people are here in the first place is because sex feels good. Pros and cons?
57worldwide 7 months ago
@57worldwide well i would have to agree with u on that, i speak for Christianity, not catholism.
Gods0n1 7 months ago
@Gods0n1 Pros and cons?
57worldwide 7 months ago
@Gods0n1 Pros.. it feels good, and lets u decided if u want the person physically before u make a commitment to them...
Cons: Most ppl get what they want and dont bother with commitement. its an act of selfishness by gratifying yourself and not building a connection . majority of women prefer to wait till they are commited. it numbs men and becomes casual instead of intimate. it provokes men to be promiscuous with lots of girls. it results in 80% of heartbreaks, abortions and stds
Gods0n1 7 months ago
@Gods0n1 Funny how those 'cons' are so rampant in the Bible Belt of all places.
Akira625 6 months ago
5:00 actually that guy is wrong.. guilt IS actually built in. and many atheists try and explain it through evolution. and religion dosent want to make u feel guilty for having sex, they put guidlines for sex and its meant to be used in marriage.
Gods0n1 7 months ago
@Gods0n1 idiot
FIGHTFANNERD3 5 months ago
@FIGHTFANNERD3 by the looks of your channel, i can see your frustration.
Gods0n1 5 months ago
people could learn alot about religions view on sex... they tell us to wait for marriage. i think this alone would help prevent unwanted pregnancys, stds, abortions and heartache.
religion
Gods0n1 7 months ago
For the almighty creator of the universe and all that exists, he sure seems to like playing petty little games. If he didn't want people having sex before marriage, why not design the sexual urge to only kick in after you're married? God can not be both all powerful and utterly conflicted. Well then he must just work in mysterious ways right? If that is the case then nothing he says can truly be trusted at face value anyway and we need to stop trying to interpret him and just live.
Damienf77 8 months ago
@Damienf77 Better yet, if he didn't wanna confuse us about his message, why wouldn't he write it clearly, so that it can evaluated logically and with evidence? Why the enigma, so that even within a religion, different group claims to be the one to get it right. It would be nice to tell exactly which one of the ignorant bronze age nomadic savage goat herders, busy killing and raping their neighbors, he really inspired to write his fantastic fable. A magical hand signature would have help.
petion2010 8 months ago
@petion2010 How true. Maybe he is just highly entertained by the confusion and mass destruction of each new major religion he births into the world. He finds it fascinating how we struggle endlessly with things like having enough to eat, diseases (of both mind and body) and natural disasters.He IS omnipotent and omniscient after all and could have forgone every bit of this garbage that he himself created (and likes to blame us powerless mere mortals for), instead he demands worship for it... bah
Damienf77 8 months ago
the whole masturbation issue eventually lead me to being an atheist. i couldnt help BUT to masturbate. and as a christian i felt horrible and eventually accepted that i was going to hell. so naturally, when i found out that all religion is just bullshit, i felt SO much better. i didnt feel dirty, i didnt feel worthless, i didnt feel like a horrible person who couldnt control himself. i know that masturbation is normal now and to a degree, necessary. keeps people from going out and raping others.
mattakudesu 8 months ago
@mattakudesu good for you :)
DarkBeauty1989 8 months ago
society loves sex so much that I forgot people even talk about religion anymore lol
thickjai18 9 months ago
Dr. Darrel did a presentation at my school a couple of months ago. it was cool.
TheOnlyAttrition 10 months ago
There was no shame about human sexuality until religion fucking invented it!
Lennon4ever1 10 months ago 64
@Lennon4ever1 The Christian religion that is.
In greek mythology Zeus even transformed himself into a human male to fuck other people in the ass. Not saying that everyone should fuck each other in the ass, but Christianity shouldn't have anything to say in this world. not about anything. They raped this whole world back into the dark ages. We would have been flying with the stars for 500 years by now if that plague didn't supress any advancement that would jeopardize its power. Cool name btw.
OlyJeebus 9 months ago
@OlyJeebus Boy! You nailed it!..and thank you
Lennon4ever1 9 months ago
@Lennon4ever1 NO PROOF!!!!
LOGIC42369 1 month ago
sooo why cant he call Religion a drug?
songman123 10 months ago
Some pretty dodgy reasoninng and historical ignorance in this video.
Merrlol 1 year ago
@Merrlol Such as?
Dillweed9001 1 year ago
Why argue about how the universe came into being? We are all right here right now. What we should do is discus morals. That said, we shouldn't blindly follow anything, whether I'd be a president, a general, or a book coughBiblecough. We should get together as a species, banish all bias, and come up with universal, practical rules. Like Dr. Darrel said, "Why waste energy banning masturbation when everyone is going to do it anyway." Banning innate, harmless desires is just stupid.
MunkyDrag0n 1 year ago 20
@MunkyDrag0n
This comment actually made my day.
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PunkishKitten 1 year ago
@MunkyDrag0n weed should be legal
DaFleegsta 6 months ago
@DaFleegsta I disagree on that, but only because some people are too stupid to use it responsibly. I can deal with not having a joint. I cannot deal with getting rear-ended because some idiot had to smoke.
MunkyDrag0n 6 months ago
@MunkyDrag0n I think there should still be laws to ensure responsible use of weed, just like alchohal. I see no harm from that.
DaFleegsta 6 months ago
@DaFleegsta But think about it. Weed would give people an additional way to get high. Laws are often made only to be broken by idiots. If they can't get a drink, then they'll smoke weed. Either way, innocent people will pay the price. If I had it my way, alcohol would also be illegal as well as cigarettes. We're way past the point where we can do that, so the way I see it, we'd better not add to the drugs.
MunkyDrag0n 6 months ago
@MunkyDrag0n "Weed would give people an additional way to get high." ...Exactly.. That's the point of drugs lol.. That's why I wish it were legal, I love getting high. It sucks that weed is illegal because it'd be a safe, easy, and generally an efficient way to feel good (and even help you in terms of eating disorders, sleeping disorders, depression, etc). Marijuana is very beneficial, if used responsibly.
I think the key word here is responsibility. We should enforce proper use, not no use.
DaFleegsta 6 months ago
@MunkyDrag0n A matter of fact weed currently does more harm while it's illegal. People are often misinformed about dangerous ways to smoke it (like pop cans, or tin foil) and the fact that they have to deal with drug dealers to get it can also be dangerous, as many could be assosiated with ACTUAL dangerous people.
I don't smoke weed often, but when I do I'm responsible enough to not do stupid shit afterwards (like driving or operating machinery). I just think responsible use should be enforced.
DaFleegsta 6 months ago
@DaFleegsta How can you control people? Not a jail, a fine, nor a nightstick can convince people not to be stupid. You see this all the time in drunk drivers. Should we issue marijuana cards? Then people would forge them. I personally want to ban drinking and smoking cigars while legalizing marijuana :P.
MunkyDrag0n 6 months ago
@MunkyDrag0n Well you can't garantee the prevention of anything.. That's why crime still exists.. But we can create laws and hope for the best, and adjust the consequences of those laws if they don't seem to be working good enough.
I'm just saying marijuana is illegal for the wrong reasons :( If safety really was the issue, they should ban cigerettes, alcohal, etc before marijuana.
DaFleegsta 6 months ago
@DaFleegsta Now that I agree with. I think the whole concept of laws is wrong if the penalties for breaking them are so lenient. Marijuana IS illegal for the wrong reasons. People think it's dangerous and irresponsible, but what do they call smoking cigars and drinking? In the end the reason is all about money. Marijuana is cheap, so the tobacco companies want to keep it off the market. Simple as that.
MunkyDrag0n 6 months ago
@MunkyDrag0n Agreed.
DaFleegsta 6 months ago
@MunkyDrag0n It appears You went to restrict People's liberties. What's your view on the 2nd. Amendment ? What about Defense of Marriage / Don't ask Don't tell ? Should Women have Free Choice ? We're free to live Our lives & make personal decisions so long as We don't violate other People's rights.
tranquility4all 6 months ago
@tranquility4all Yes, I want to restrict the rights of people to get addicted, make public disturbances, get put on rehab, kill and injure others, and inflict harm on themselves. I wrote humans are beyond the point where they can recognize harmful things like drugs and firearms. I do not want to go against the Constitution. I said, "IF I had it my way..." I can't, so leave me alone! If you think marriage, free choice, and privacy are equal to drug and gun use, then you are very shallow.
MunkyDrag0n 6 months ago
@MunkyDrag0n If You had Your way You'd would be violating the Constitution. Obviously You never read the Constitution or are too stupid to understand it. We live in a Country which respects & protects the Rights of ALL People NOT just the insane Neo Cons like You !
tranquility4all 6 months ago
@tranquility4all I am sure there are a lot of protected acts that YOU don't agree with, like my right to call you an asshole. Harmless actions like marriage I have no problem with. Some acts are physically harmful to the actor and nearby people. You and they don't give a damn. Instead of changing, they want to reserve the right to be stupid, like you. You're a patriot? Go to Arkansas and see if Mexican rights are protected. BTW, I already said I can't do shit about it and won't. You are blocked!
MunkyDrag0n 6 months ago
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tranquility4all 6 months ago
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@MunkyDrag0n I respect everyone's right to Free Speech. Even a Genetically Deficient Brain Dead ASS HOLE like You is entitled to Free Speech. You're a textbook example of what is created when siblings procreate. It's sad that If You had Your way You would want to deny People access to their rights.
Your abundance of Ignorance complements Your excess of STUPIDITY.
You are DENSE.
4Q ASS HOLE !
tranquility4all 6 months ago
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naganokumas 5 months ago
@MunkyDrag0n The problem with religion is that it's not harmless, unlike Masturbation.
megaharuko25 6 months ago
@MunkyDrag0n cus if we don't waste energy banning masturbation we'll waste too much energy masturbating, duh XD
sethars1 6 months ago
@sethars1 If so, then we are doing it wrong!
MunkyDrag0n 6 months ago
@MunkyDrag0n I'm 30 and i have Never Masterbated in my life
romans52345 3 months ago
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@romans52345 You don't speak for all the men on this planet.
MunkyDrag0n 3 months ago
@romans52345 You are either lying or unhealthy.
Nidair 3 months ago
@romans52345 its a toss-up as to whether you are messed up in the head or a liar. Toss-up? Get it ? HAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAA
WombatusMaximus 3 months ago
@WombatusMaximus You must Be English
romans52345 3 months ago
@romans52345 Damn.. you've better get started, you have all of your work still ahead of you!
We have quotas, you know.. so at 30 you're due for at least some 4.000-12.000 masturbatory finishing moves :o)
It's that or you can do 8.000-24.000 hail mary's for wasting perfectly good spermatocytes/oocytes simply by normal apoptosis ;p
GronTheMighty 3 months ago
... you are approaching it like it has already been determined whether there is a 'scheme of being' or a 'scheme of the universe.' As anyone with a brain cell would know, that is a shitty way to make an argument and it isn't going to fool anybody. Please try and make a sensible reply instead of the usual baseless, assertions that you have made in your other comments.
FrankieSayRelaxxx1 1 year ago
... anything was created by any method that was not natural.
Your logic is more flawed than mine becaue you are believing ancient myths based on ABSOLUTELY no evidence or justification. Any impartial observer would see that your viewpoint is much less logical than mine. Rather than believe the (completely un-supported by evidence) claim that 'GOD DID IT!' why not take the less arrogant path and simply tell the truth by saying 'I don't know.'
FrankieSayRelaxxx1 1 year ago
@FrankieSayRelaxxx1 "I don't know.'"
You don't know? Then why the hell are you quibbling in vain for? What you think, you got the brain for? Eating bananas and thinking about your so called monkey ancestors? Oh, grow up! Use you brain OR ask those who know instead of your quibbling in vain, O' Brainless cuckoo atheists with asinine mind!
Give answer otherwise CLOCK OFF!
NO WASTING TIME!
The chain of causality cannot recede into infinity!!!!!
1tabligh 1 year ago
Its hard to explain but i believe are immorals, with drastic population growth, are resulting in indirect creation of knew diseases and disorders. Morals probably were saving us from sleeping around, because as more and more people don't seem to care about morals for themselves and others anymore more diseases seems to be appearing more common.
XFerginatorX 1 year ago
@XFerginatorX Is it at all possible that the cells of the body should learn their functions, pursue their aim in a precise and orderly fashion, and crystallize so miraculously in the world of being, without there being a conscious and powerful being to instruct them?
Is it not rather the case that phenomena such as these prove and demonstrate, with the utmost emphasis, the need for a plan, a design, a guiding hand inspired by conscious will?
1tabligh 1 year ago
Because of also population growth we are indirectly creatin g diseases to kill off the weak for the survival of the fittest. Like the Black moth theory. White moths that became black when the industrial age came to limit population.
XFerginatorX 1 year ago
Sorry i don't remember how went but it shows that if mixing speed and an STD together to make a worse STD, creating stds probably was are result. We had 3 major known STDs in the Time when Rome was around and they didn't just magically get there, somehow someone was most likely responsible for creating that. But prosonally, from a science prespective, i believe its darwins theory that we are resulting for these STDs being created.
XFerginatorX 1 year ago
So im just saying i enjoy morals because even though may use fear, they are mostly for best, but not everyone has that opinion or even wants to obey morality but i am just saying im glad that i can have emotion and morals to feel for others. I just couldn't face living in a world where no one cared about anyone else just out for themselves. Thats just how i fell. Sorry for the long comment(s)
XFerginatorX 1 year ago
There is a show called "I shouldn't be alive" where a man had to make a decision were he could have ran and escaped and leave his friends to die by his captors or stay and escape with them but probably fail. Is morals he chose to stay and not leave them behind.
XFerginatorX 1 year ago
Even though people can choose what they wanted to do, the moral trying to be implented would result in future generations from having to be effected by, what the morals i am talking about that see as bad, the decisions of the past. So sure people have their opinions whether they want to do what ever they want or care about the well beings of others.
XFerginatorX 1 year ago
If people waited til marriage, or waiting time they wanted, and had sex with only that one person it would have resulted in a complete end to STDs altogether. So actually the morals to sex that people think we shouldn't have or care about actually would have been for the better.
XFerginatorX 1 year ago
Guilt is the gift that keeps on giving!
txvoltaire 1 year ago
In any cult (religious or otherwise) one of the first things the "leader" (or leaders) attempt to control is sex. Sex is the strongest impulse in humans and if they can get control of that, they have the person by the balls (pun intended)!
AmericanGayAtheist 1 year ago
Dude if we didn't have a consensus this world would be way more fucked up.
XFerginatorX 1 year ago 4
Man this shit sounds almost as stupid as the don't blame me i have the slut gene its not my fault i have to sleep with alot of people, or the cheating gene its not your fault because your husband/wife or gf/bf cheats on they have have the cheating gene and ya have to learn to be ok if your lover cheats on you or your closed minded with the new gene theories, which in my opinion is just certain people using science to say what they are doing that is known to be wrong to be now be considered ok.
XFerginatorX 1 year ago 2
Despite the fact that there is no real "right" and "wrong". Like being a slut. I don't really have a problem with somebody being a slut. If that makes them happy... The problem is that it generally does NOT make them happy, nor the people around them :(. You don't have to be ok with it if your lover cheats on you, but using morality and possibly science to determine reasons for things and try to make a better world is good. Like we all knew that black people were dumb. We were wrong.
TakesTwoToTango 1 year ago
If you have seen Equilibrium that would be way the world would look if people had no emotions. I'm glad that the world is like the way it is, i would never want to be apart of a world of no morals I think we are better off the way we are then to live in a world where you don't care, where ur daughter is getting gangbanged by several men shes got 10 STDs, ur son is dealing drugs and killing people, and ur wife is sleeping around with the nextdoor neighbor and you like "all well idc"
XFerginatorX 1 year ago
@XFerginatorX I also don't want to live in a world where my grandson is harassed and murdered by black people. My point is that the arguements you made are pretty much unrelated to my comment... Read it again maybe? Or argue why there IS an absolute morality if you think there is...
TakesTwoToTango 1 year ago
@TakesTwoToTango Not everyone has morals and thats the result, murder. When no one cares about their actions, if the world were filled with no morals or emotion you would see more of that. I read you comment and you think being a slut you don't care what they do. If we didn't care about others we would still be living like cavemen, no one working together just everyone out for themselves. how is talking about black people means anything about morals or emotions, they are human like everyone else
XFerginatorX 1 year ago
@XFerginatorX My point is that using science to discover facts is a good things. Partially thanks to science, we know that blacks are human beings like everyone else. Turns out black people are not somewhere between monkeys and white people! It just illustrates my point that there is no absolute morality. Where did I say I didn't care about fellow human beings? I care so deeply I think to consider the reasons behind their actions!
TakesTwoToTango 1 year ago
@XFerginatorX You see, the only point I've been trying to make here (that apparently I didn't bring across) is that there isn't an absolute morality. Especially not when you're looking at particular cases. For instance I don't know what you mean by "slut", but I don't have a problem with the act of having meaningless sex with random strangers very frequently. What I do care about is that the involved people know what they're doing and that it doesn't turn out bad for them.
TakesTwoToTango 1 year ago
@TakesTwoToTango But the genes, like slut and cheating genes, proved just to be propaganda so that if political officials or someone popular later on in when the gene theory would catch on they they could use it for excuses. The actual science community denies the gene theories because they were the first to shoot them down when presented and tested the thoery themselves. Anyway meanless sex with random strangers strangers ended up resulting in new STDs like AIDS.
XFerginatorX 1 year ago
@XFerginatorX That's how they spread, not how they develop. AIDS originated in apes apparently, so that would take "random stranger" to a whole new level... I did mean human strangers ;) xD. We have measures to prevent the spreading of std's by the way. They're called condoms. Anyway: anybody who isn't scientifically illiterate 'll smell something really fishy when hearing about slut or cheating genes, and the scientific community denied it as you said. So your comment was about the (continued)
TakesTwoToTango 1 year ago
@XFerginatorX (cont) abuse of pseudoscience by whoever wants to fool the public for personal gain or due to ignorance? That's another thing: I hate it when that happens :s. Creationism, quantum healing, intelligent design, fortune telling,... All garbage :(.
TakesTwoToTango 1 year ago
@TakesTwoToTango Then how can the atheists delude themselve and believe that hydrogen and oxygen, electrons and protons, should first produce themselves, then be the source for all other beings, and finally decree the laws that regulate themselves and the rest of the material world?
1tabligh 1 year ago
@1tabligh Actaully condoms still have chances of failing, breaking and tearing. So you could still get STds and prego. No one knows the actual origins where AIDS came from and who caused it. Because the monkey theory even has flaws to it too. Not sure if this was someone my dad knew, but because he was a speed addict and had a certain std, can't remember which it was, and was having sex and resulted in, somehow, putting Speed and the STD together createda harsher form the the STD.
XFerginatorX 1 year ago
@1tabligh Because that's pretty unrelated to morality and pseudoscience? Except the part where hydrogen, oxygen, electrons and protons produce themselves... That's pseudoscience right there buddy... Virtual particles spawn into life all the time, and the predominance of matter over antimatter is apparently a consequence of a breaking of symmetry in the weak force. The big bang theory stands better than a being who is made out of nothing creating everything out of nothing...
TakesTwoToTango 1 year ago
@TakesTwoToTango How could it be believed that matter should itself be the origin of millions of attributes and characteristics and thus be the equivalent of the purposeful, wise and all-knowing Creator?
How can it be supposed that belief in the existence of God is the acceptance of contradiction, whereas belief in the uncaused nature of an effect such as matter is not contradictory?
1tabligh 1 year ago
@1tabligh Because there's actually scientifical evidence for science... Evidence that's even impossible to deliver for "God". The theories you don't believe without knowing them make predictions that are unrelated to the observations that lead to the theory. When these predictions are observed, they turn out to be true... That combined with the greatest minds not being able to poke a hole in the theories for many decades generally results in a firm theory that is very likely to be true...
TakesTwoToTango 1 year ago
@TakesTwoToTango Is it at all feasible to regard all the geometry, functioning and movement of the universe as the outcome of matter in its ignorance?
1tabligh 1 year ago
@1tabligh What do you mean by the outcome of matter in it's ignorance? If I'm understanding this right, you're focussing completely on the 5% of the universe that's "matter", why is that anyway?
TakesTwoToTango 1 year ago
@TakesTwoToTango Is it logical to say that belief in God is peculiar to those who know nothing about man's composition and creation, and that, by contrast, a scientist who is aware of the natural laws and factors responsible for man's growth and development, who knows that law and precise calculation preside over all stages of man's existence, is bound to believe that matter, lacking all perception and consciousness, is the source of the wondrous laws of nature?
1tabligh 1 year ago
@1tabligh No, which is ppb why I've never heard anybody say such a thing... As far as we know natural laws cause matter, not the other way around. I think you have a wrong image of matter. It's not everything... Matter is a form of energy (which in itself is a vague concept). It makes up roughly 5% of the universe; the rest being dark matter and dark energy. Did you invent that "mattercentral" way of thinking yourself? It's extremely peculiar :s
TakesTwoToTango 1 year ago
@TakesTwoToTango Is it not more logical to posit the existence of intelligence, will and planning in the creation of and ordering of the world than to attribute creativity to matter which lacks intelligence, thought, consciousness and the power to innovate?
1tabligh 1 year ago
@1tabligh No, because it presupposes that there's a will and planning, and because it's based on nothing. Both of your self-invented theories are equally invalid. Now stop talking without reading my posts? oO
TakesTwoToTango 1 year ago
@TakesTwoToTango Belief in the existence of a wise creator is without doubt more logical than faith in the creativity of matter, which has neither perception, consciousness, nor the ability to plan; we cannot attribute to matter all the properties and attributes of intelligence that we see in the world and the ordering will that it displays.
1tabligh 1 year ago
@1tabligh Sad troll is sad...
TakesTwoToTango 1 year ago
@TakesTwoToTango Sad troll is sad...
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So much science for this brainless pseudo-Scientific Demagogue!
Hiding your ignorance and arrogance behind your stupid pretext of "Sad troll is sad..."!
Dodging ALL the questions and quibbling in vain!
The argument of an IGNORANT!
Materialism looks at the world with one eye *closed* and, as a result, is unable to answer numerous questions!
1tabligh 1 year ago
Deluded atheist looks at the world with BOTH eyes *closed* and, as a result, are unable to answer ALL the questions!
Before he enters the realm of science and knowledge with all its concerns, man is able to perceive certain truths by means of these innate perceptions. But after entering the sphere of science and philosophy and filling his *brain* with various proofs and deductions, he may forget his natural and innate perceptions or begin to doubt them. It is for this reason that
1tabligh 1 year ago
@1tabligh Yeh, modern science cannot answer all the questions as of yet, but we don't actually PRETEND to know the answers like you do. All you care about is getting an answer, you don't give a flying fuck whether it is true or not, or how harmful it can be to other people, just as long as you get it. Tbh you are being extremely arrogant to claim that you know this, whereas scientists are being much less arrogant becasue they admit they don't know. I don't understand your mindset at all.
FrankieSayRelaxxx1 1 year ago
@FrankieSayRelaxxx1 Then how can you delude yourself and believe that hydrogen and oxygen, electrons and protons, should first produce themselves, then be the source for all other beings, and finally decree the laws that regulate themselves and the rest of the material world?
1tabligh 1 year ago
@1tabligh ??? Are you blind? Can you not speak English? I did not claim to believe this and I never have. Fucking religious morons making unfounded assumptions about none religious people is so annoying. It's like arguing with a 7 year old...
FrankieSayRelaxxx1 1 year ago
@FrankieSayRelaxxx1 Fucking religious morons
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Poor fella!
The argument of an IGNORANT!
So much science for this uncivilized brainless pseudo-Scientific Demagogue!
Hiding your ignorance and arrogance under your stupid pretext of "Fucking religious morons."!
Dodging ALL the questions and quibbling in vain!
Is science too heavy for you to comprehend?
Ever heard "Never argue with a fool, onlookers may not be able to tell the difference."?
1tabligh 1 year ago
@1tabligh You lie, name ONE question which I have dodged!
You own argument is flawed to the core. You only believe that the univserse in its complexity needs an all powerful designer, what you have said is nothing more than biased bullcrap which is based on assertions that are themselves baseless.
Oh yea, you should probably look up evolution aswell before you making more mindless assumptions based on nothing but your own ignorance. You are making yourself look quite stupid you know.
FrankieSayRelaxxx1 1 year ago
@FrankieSayRelaxxx1
Is it at all feasible to regard all the geometry, functioning and movement of the universe as the outcome of matter in its ignorance?
Materialism looks at the world with one eye *closed* and, as a result, is unable to answer numerous questions!
1tabligh 1 year ago
@1tabligh What does scientology have to do with anything? Maybe you should research the science associated with these laws you speak of and find out yourself.
FrankieSayRelaxxx1 1 year ago
@FrankieSayRelaxxx1 Is it logical to say that belief in God is peculiar to those who know nothing about man's composition and creation, and that, by contrast, a scientist who is aware of the natural laws and factors responsible for man's growth and development, who knows that law and precise calculation preside over all stages of man's existence, is bound to believe that matter, lacking all perception and consciousness, is the source of the wondrous laws of nature?
1tabligh 1 year ago
@1tabligh Is it logical to believe claims that have ABSOLUTELY no reliable evidence to back them up?
FrankieSayRelaxxx1 1 year ago
@FrankieSayRelaxxx1 How could it be believed that matter should itself be the origin of millions of attributes and characteristics and thus be the equivalent of the purposeful, wise and all-knowing Creator?
How can it be supposed that belief in the existence of God is the acceptance of contradiction, whereas belief in the uncaused nature of an effect such as matter is not contradictory?
1tabligh 1 year ago
@1tabligh Scientists do not pretend to know the answer!! How often do I have to tell you people!? Why plug the gap in human understanding with your Judaeo-Christian God? Why not be a deist instead? I have no problem with deism, though it is belief without justification at least there is no religious dogma attached to it. It's also funny how you just said 'thus' when it actual fact it doesn't link your argument at all. You have no idea how stupid you sound! There is no evidence to suggest that,,,
FrankieSayRelaxxx1 1 year ago
@FrankieSayRelaxxx1 "Christian God?...'"
I am not a Christian!
I am a Shiite Muslim!
"You have no idea how stupid you sound!"
How could some of the scientists permit themselves to make a claim that would necessitate knowledge as extensive as the scheme of the universe, when their knowledge of the total scheme of being is *close* to zero
1tabligh 1 year ago
when confronted with a whole mass of unknowns concerning this very earth and tangible, lifeless matter, let alone the whole universe?
Do scientific discoveries and knowledge cause such a scientist to conclude that matter, *** unknowing and unperceiving ***, is his creator and that of all beings?
How is that for YOUR "You have no idea how stupid you sound!" and answer the questions instead of your quibbling in vain?!
1tabligh 1 year ago
@1tabligh My mistake, you sound a lot more like an evangelical christian in the way you speak.
There is nobody that 'knows' the answer to where everything came from. There are just people who guess and CLAIM they know (like you), and people who simply admit that they don't know and cannot know with our current level of scientific understanding.
You are so stupid in the way that you "need" an answer, you obviously don't even care if it is true or not, you just want an answer...
FrankieSayRelaxxx1 1 year ago
@FrankieSayRelaxxx1 You are so stupid
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Poor fella!
So much science for this brainless pseudo-Scientific Demagogue!
Dodging ALL the questions and quibbling in vain!
Hiding your ignorance and arrogance behind your stupid pretext of "You are so stupid "!
The argument of an IGNORANT!
Deluded atheist looks at the world with BOTH eyes *closed* and, as a result, are unable to answer ALL the questions!
1tabligh 1 year ago
@1tabligh who the fuck can answer ALL the questions? please dont tell me god or jesus or the bible.
brdatwork 1 year ago
@brdatwork Then how can you delude yourself and believe that hydrogen and oxygen, electrons and protons, should first produce themselves, then be the source for all other beings, and finally decree the laws that regulate themselves and the rest of the material world?
1tabligh 1 year ago
@1tabligh "Then how can you delude yourself and believe that hydrogen and oxygen, electrons and protons," All the elements heavi