1:45 to 3:25 ...heartbreaking. They're obviously worried and love her so much. I can't imagine my daughter on the other end talking like that. When are you coming home? "Maybe never" ...so sad :(
i don't often get angry but when her nan is on the phone you can hear that she thinks she will never see her again, the parents however i think they still have hope. i have such a close relationship with my grandmothers, i just couldn't imagine it.
O verdadeiro pastor dá a sua vida pelas suas ovelhas. Esse cretino e os que o seguiam, de fato, queriam ser espíritos mais elevados e se esqueceram da humildade com a qual qualquer ser humano errando durante a vida... É uma pena.
You see mostly "INBRED DUMBSHITS" being recruited by "CULTS",but to recruit college educated people with "ABOVE AVERAGE INTELLIGENCE",then something is definately wrong,because these people had "NO SELF ESTEEM"!!!!
Oh, this is so sad, but that part made me laugh. I think the parents should have asked her to teach them about her religion and act like they really wanted to join. Maybe she would have come home then.
The clown at 4:56 is one arrogant ass. Looking for his purpose. I'm sick of hearing about people who are looking for their "purpose." How about starting with getting a life. People with lives don't go around wondering what their damn purpose is unless they are losers.
@mrpeacelovedope Duet. 22:11 does not mean that wearing wool and linen together is a sin...It is a metaphor not to wear those linens together because because they are low quality and wear out fast. God doesn't want Salesmen or manufacturers deceiving customers of a low quality product. The verse was for protection against deceivers.
@mrpeacelovedope First of all, I didn't say that all cults are suicidal I was referencing to this cult. Second of all, yes some "Christians" if you want to call them that, are cults like the Westboro Baptist Church, but not all Christians are like that. Third, there are several kinds of Christianity, not just over all, for example, Catholic, Evangelical, Assembly of God, Baptist, Methodist, Nazerene, ect. Also, Monks belong in the Buddhist religion or Catholic, which I am neither.
This is why religious hate is so dangerous, you always find out after the fact that these cult leaders were brought up in a religious environment full of discrimination towards them for either being gay, or for their race, or whatever... If you tell someone they're a monster enough they'll become one... Just saying, if you don't have something nice to say keep your mouth shut because your hate can breed the next cult leader.
SURE JC was for killing! "'But now if you have a purse, take it and also a bag; and if you don't have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one. (Luke 22:36)" I will strike her children dead. Then all the churches will know that I am he who searches hearts and minds, and I will repay each of you according to your deeds. ( Revelation 2:22-23)"
"Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. (Matthew 10:34)
i have no qualms about religions, you're entitled to believe in whatever you want to. just don't push your beliefs to others and make sure it doesn't hurt others.
@XFChecker97 I don't care what your beliefs are XF as long as they don't effect other people, but why do all these cults end up with the same result? death. You destroy the lives of the victims families. Wether that follower truly believed they were not commiting suicide and were happy to end their lives is besides the point, their families did not want them to die and now the lives of those families are destroyed because of sick fucks like yourself. If you want to die, leave others out of it!!
XFCheckers97: Another Hravens Gate freak... Are u on the next Away Team? It's a shame u despise Earth. Knowledge is power checked out your sorry ass channel. U appear very bitter. hate Earth so much u want to leave it
@crlody1 You support these crack pots. I just checked out ur channel lol!!! Seems like u want to join the "away team" too. I won't waste my time argueing with bitter ppl. And yes, cybernetic implantation will be our future imo. Technolgy is improving at such a rapid rate that we will have to embrace/inegrate with it. Our human concsuous will remain. The dead cult members were brainwashed just like you!!
WTF? So boys became like eunichs. Did their leader get castrated too? The members appear to have joined the group as kids. They were easy targets for brainwashing and manipulation. Poor ignorant ppl... The aliens won't contact us do to the prime directive. XD Our "next level" is cybernetic enhancement. So assilimate me, baby!!!
@crazeeborg No, they did not "join as kids", children were not allowed in the group. No, they were not "easy targets for brainwashing and manipulation" although the argument could be put forth that your statement is applicable to the entire human race. Speaking of "ignorant" it's "due to" not "do to". How do you know that the "next level" is cybernetic enhancement? The only enhancement that is of any value is the enhancement of a soul.
once again a juxtaposition of what most percieve ufos/ets to be and what they really are instead of interstellar visitors perhaps much more akin to fallen angels and how mankind viewed the sylphs and shee from the distant past-if one really can see in the interdimensional shift between this world the next and the previous appelwhite truly was decieved thinking to lead these inquisitive souls instead of into the light ...but eternal darkness ! sad tragic and nothing new !
Jesus was nothing like a cult leader. He didn't go and ask others to kill themselves. He died for our sins. What kind of cult leader would do that? Most cult leaders think about themselves. Jesus didn't make people do bad things and keep an individual away from their family. Jesus loves everyone and love doesn't brain wash people, evil does.
@booklove456 Jesus told them to leave all behind to follow him, that was children, family, etc. Jesus told them they "would drink the cup he drank and be baptized with the baptism he was". The "cup" was his task. REmember he asked his Father if the cup could be passed from him, but then realized that was why he came to yes, demonstrate overcoming the world by sacrificing what is of most value, our physical life. But at that stage they were less civil so they were all hunted & murdered.
@booklove456 Who did jesus really die for? Read the book of John again. Pay close attention. He said humans were not taking his life from him. He said he was giving his life for his FAther, to please his Father. That lie of there being only one member of the Kingdom of God has confused many. The Father was moreorless like an Admiral in their Kingdom and Jesus was his Captain. No one in the group was made to do anything. I have dozens of examples. If you want to see some of them study it.
@booklove456 Does Jesus love the weeds(tares), the heathen who hate God? There were a number of words all translated in english to one word love that confuse people a great deal. The weeds and evil are necessary but WOE to those that are the instruments of evil. But how does evil come. As a sheep, as a follower, as a religionist glueing people to the past when they could be open minded to the present and realistic future instead of pie in the sky pollyanna country club religious illusion.
@booklove456 Brainwashing? That's another luciferian misnoma to confuse people. The biggest brainwashers are the most accepted. The relgions and the Spiritual groups and the athesist groups, intellectuals, the soldiers, the evangelicals are those who most demonstrate a washed brain, but it's not the washing, it's what it's washed of. Baptism really meant "To wash". Note those who overcome are given new clean light(pure) robes (bodies) to wear. Overcoming is washing one's brain of humanness.
Aha!! Of course! The repressed homosexual. Any religion or idiology that suppresses sexuality, has dire consequences for it's members as well as people that those individuals are in contact with. Sexuality cannot be tamed, attempts to supress sexuality are usually motivated by people trying to inflict power over others.
@booklove456 If jesus died for thr sins of mankind then how come mankind still sin.that means jesus died in vain..and btw GOD dont kneed to come down and then be in the womb of a female then a baby then a child then a adult to forgive man of his sins.GOD forgives from his high throne..GOD dont have such weak mankind kneeds to become one of us.hes far above his creations
@dimpsey3 Clearly you are uneducated considering you can't spell or use proper grammar at all. I am a Christian so everyone should get over it. Jesus died not to stop sin, but for us to able to be forgiven of our sins. He was also sent here to teach us lessons about how we should live. What is wrong with following the ten commandments and being good? And I can not respond about your last sentence because your sentence structure is that poor.
@dimpsey3 Great come back idiot. Here is a brilliant idea maybe you should think before you comment so you don't sound so dumb. It's IN a hot desert not on a hot desert. And I think I would know a bit about God and Jesus because I studied it. Obviously you know nothing considering you can't even write a sentence. I'm done with this conversation because it is like having one with a 5 year old. bye. P.S. Jesus loves you:)
@booklove456 Jesus is not GOD nor his son...who did mary pray to when jesus was in her womb?? her unborn child..when jesus walked this world there was not one christian on the planet..so why dont u go and worship your x-mas tree and im sure a 5 year old know more about GOD and jesus then you do.. who do u worship..GOD? Jesus? the holy ghost.are u x-mas tree
@booklove456 Jesus actually preformed miracles out in the open, didn't ask us to "live above human" and told us as a follower to keep begging for our sins to be forgiven and treating others as we wanted to be treated. These guys were so out there.
@booklove456 I hate to tell you, but jesus was a cult leader, even if he was the son of god and died for our sins. Look up the definition. You only say that he wasn't because you are a brainwashed individual. :)
It's so interesting how a clip is edited and ends up giving a totally different slant. It's my fault also as I often gave too much detail and the interviewer then got a confused perspective. I wasn't ever looking to do something outside the group. I wanted to do more inside the group - take the info public again for instance. However I got arrogant in my own self importance in the group and asked Ti for a task like Do's. After 18+ dedicated years I was still so blind to what I needed to learn.
Why is it that I didn't feel threatened by missing the boat. And nor did he, as he left too. I'll admit that for me when I had doubts one thought did cross my mind that I'd put all this investment of time and energy into this so didn't want to throw that all away. However, when I decided to leave none of that sense of invesetment mattered to me at all so I left. But threats michael? how many meetings did we have where threats were issued? NONE and the tapes exist to prove it.
@jax252000 Hi. No, I don't miss them. But that doesn't mean what it sounds like. The relationship we had was close and I enjoyed their company. They are each truly beautiful souls in every respect but I know for a fact that I can't prove that they were not duped at all, nor were they misguided or naive nor have a death wish. I can talk about the evidence of what I've said and will but to most it will never fly because most have made up their minds.
@jax252000 They gave their physical lives to Do. Sure it's sad from the human perspectives, like for the Maeders but they don't have to remain hurt though it's difficult. I have a daughter and if someone took her away from me, as I perceived it I would hurt. Actually I already do hurt. She is 14 and just recently did a two week sleepover out of state and I missed her greatly as I would if she died but I know that's my vehicle's natural emotions responding. However this is very different I know.
@jax252000 The difference to me is that with my vehicles daughter it's a genetic bond with my vehicle. The fact is, I would have exited with them had I also developed that kind of bond with Do. I thought I had and I'm not saying I didn't have a bond with Do. I do, but it wasn't strong enough to keep me from falling off the wagon in terms of the qualifications to be included on their crew. I could have asked harder for help to deal with the tempations I had. Each of them had equivilent tests.
@jax252000 We were not trying to develop bonds with one another. That's what humans do. This wasn't human which is why some can't fathom it as any positive at all for them. Plus most don't really know who/what they/we are, which I won't go into now. This was not an action appropriate for anyone else but them. It was 100% unique. And their thinking and actions were 100% consistant with what Jesus said and did but in their own terms, not because they were Jesus material studious.
@jax252000 When Jesus set up his own trap he knew would result in his vehicles death & told his students they too would "drink that [same]cup" because this was the ultimate greatest way one shows their love for their Older Member (Father), by "laying down their [current] life for their sheep" & how that goes hand in hand with the #1 goal/ instruction to qualify for membership in the Above Human Kingdom in the literal heaven's - "giving one's ALL, then it doesn't seem like an evil cult anymore.
@jax252000 The Jesus cult as with the Heaven's Gate cult were not supporters of the human family or of religion or spirituality or governments or passions, thus were in reality antihuman. It wasn't until Ti and Do arrived, first in invisible/soul body form that Space Aliens began to show up to woo humans to their assumed superiority, which was only in a limited technical capacity as they too were terrestrial and mammalian with familys and human equivilent needs/wants as 100's of reports testify.
@jax252000 Of course to most atheists who believe our reality took the shape it's in thru random events & stimuli response, talk about illusion just like the Christian idea that jesus did it all for us so we didn't have to & the new age spiritual premise that Jesus saying the kingdom of god is within you meant we were all gods already if we just let it happen or Rael's proclamation his aliens are the genesis elohim but don't create planet yet need hi tech solutions to solve problems.
@3spm Wow. You do have some interesting views, and you seem highly intelligent. I do have one question though. I saw on this documentary that they believe that theywent to a place where there was no emotion. So where they are now, are they not able to feel happy?
@jax252000 Can you point me to the minute/second where this was said as it must be totally misunderstood. Ti and Do told us that upon graduation many members of the Next Level would have a huge cerimony for the new graduates. They don't lack emotion at all. Watch Do in some of the Beyond Human tapes he did in 1991 and he frequently gets emotional when talkilgn about his "heavenly Father" (older member) Ti. He doesn't want to show emotion because emotion can mislead others. jesus got angry.
@jax252000 When Ti and Do were asked in a 1975 public meeting if there was fun in the Next Level, they responded, Yes, absolutely, but just as it is fun for horses to run around in a field together that might not be as much fun for many humans, Next Level members have plenty of fun working in the crews in labs and running errands, being messengers, watchers, pilots, etc. They said it would be fulfilling to hear the music the spheres make as one travels through the heaven's inside a spacecraft.
@jax252000 The "classroom" (the environment Ti and Do set up for their students to learn experientially from) included lots of fun, even silly fun at times but there was no sarcastic fun or condescending fun. In the 70's it was a little more strict, but that was because all the students were being weened from their past and past ideas of fun and fullfillment. We had little to do at times, but then had games to play like yatzee and pac man when it first came out in a limited way.
@jax252000 By the 1990's most of those who were not serious enough about their overcoming and self applied washing the humanness out of their brains either left or were asked/prodded to leave. In 1989 Do offerred anyone $1000 if they wanted to leave. They sent us all to visit whoever we wanted, that might be anxious about us. This was in 1985 and again in 1987. It would have been easy to just not go back. One did leave about a year after that as he missed his brother whom he'd visited with.
@jax252000 If you want to get a feel to how Ti and Do interacted between one another and with their students listen to this audio clip I put on a youtube video titled: "Ti & Do audio talking in 1982 Blackhawk CO Adam Lucifer part 1" on my 3spm channel. There are four parts to this and this was typical of 19 years with them. Yes they feel happy I'm sure of that. Ti and Do felt being here was like being in a snake pit. Some of the exit video's demostate the honest happiness students felt.
@jax252000 In the 80/90's we had all sorts of activities but if we did them like humans they were discontinued. For instance we had a volley ball court & played but when some got aggressive they told us the way the Next Level would play would be to both work to see how long the ball was kept from hitting the ground. Pleasure was not wrong. In the classroom we simply had to be satisfied with the pleasures the teachers felt were appropriate, when and how often. We could always leave anytime.
@jax252000 Early on in the 1970's Ti and Do were working on the way humans use facial expressions to influence others so we all wore these scifi looking hoods for a couple months. They told us at one point while learning restraint to refrain from dramatic expressions. So if you were happy, you didn't feel the need to jump up and down and yell or if sad to cry. We were attempting to channel all that sensory energy to an even keel. But if someone was really unhappy they were helped to leave.
@jax252000 Once we learned certain lessons, they were no longer as needed and Ti and Do were never condescending or repremanding in a human way. However, they were never chummy and nor were we chummy with one another, though in a way that relaxed a little by the 1990's. But there was no need to be. We had music at times too, had a Christmas tree the time before Ti left her vehicle and a little party and a tiny shot glass of wine that Do said he didn't like what it did to his head clarity.
@jax252000 In the 1990's We went to the movies almost once every two weeks, took outings to zoos and had special times with Ti and Do in smaller groups and at times one on one. Ti and Do's ways were with very high standards. At times we were required to stay in bed beyond the 6 minimum to 8 maximum sleep time. We participated in sleep experiments as some used sleep to escape problems while others could not keep their brain quiet so needed more down time. We had lots of dietary challenges.
@jax252000 We watched TV shows most every night. Shows like murder she wrote and price is right and star trek. Sometimes they were optional. We were expected to be quick, but graceful and quiet. Some classmates were jollier than others and some were more solumn that others but overall there was a peace and sense of connection that could not be hidden even from those we worked among in the world as many of us held jobs for years to support the effort as we never sought donations.
@jax252000 Yes, Do was very serious in his exit video's. He knew exactly the way he would be seen, as the evil cult leader brainwashing naive humans to kill themselves. I witnessed Do weeping on one occasion. One when he felt like he moved the operation to Atlanta from Colorado and felt out of range of Ti in Atlanta. (Ti left her vehicle in 1985 but Do still felt her closeness/help all along). Do said then that he didn't want to put us through moving back. 5 24' trucks of house furnishing.
@jax252000 I know it sounds strange but we did some experimenting with hugs. Again bodily contact was generally a no no as touch can be a very sensuous action and when one has been celebate in body and hopefully in mind for years, it doesn't mean they lose the desire. In fact in some ways the desire increases, thus more sensitivity to things others who are not celebate would never consider stimulating. It's like an addiction to substances. One generally wants more and more so acclimates to more.
@jax252000 In Andody's dream, a dropout classmates I know, Chkody who laid down her life & had joined with Andody as man and wife I believe, told him they were very happy. Jwnody told me in a dream "it was worth it". Whenever I think of them I see big smiles on their faces. Here is a morning wake up song Do gave us: "Good Morning to you, Good Morning to you, we're all in our places with sunshining faces. What a good way to start a new day". Yes, brainwashing! They loved Do for GOOD reason.
@jax252000 To those that say Jesus is a myth, they are largely correct. The Christian jesus has been reduced to a mythological story the same that became of Krishna and The Buddha. But what human can even conceive of what to say that is so anti human? Look they either make the space aliens a blob in the sky or just like humans with families. Note Jim jones forced people to drink the poison and at gunpoint, even kids. Where were Jesus and disciples children? He required them to be left behind.
@jax252000 Sure if they wern't legit from the creator's crew leaving family and kids would be a different story entirely. Ti and Do said kids could not join them because parents couldn't make this kind of committment (to give all to). I know I've gone way past your question. But yes, I am fond of them and some have come to me in dreams. Jwnody told me "It was worth it". Dstody told me Obama was the rev 6 black horse, horse being a human vehicle an overcomer seeks to ride/control.
@jax252000 Do has visited me 7 times. The last time was a month ago. It was the entire group & they indicated they were returning a last time before full recycling and soon & I believe we will all have opportunity to see them with the faces they had in the vehicles they laid down the lives of so many will know whom they condemn really are not dead. So for me they are not really gone & I know how happy they are minimumly as how happy they were while with their Older Member in their "classroom".
Isn't it typical that when someone wants to justify something they otherwise fear to consider they call it a myth or a conspiracy theory or a pychotic episode. So if Do feared his homosexuality I guess micheal is saying he conjured up a way he could have others hate him so he could then be punished so he decided he'd be from the Kingdom of God and then play it out for 24 years to punish himself good. Does anyone else buy that explanation?
So michael says Do was troubled about his homosexuality so he "built this myth". Yes, Do as Applewhite was troubled by his homosexualual relationships as he was troubled by his hetersexaual relationships and about 6 months before meeting Ti he had decided to not be sexual at all. Did he seek professinal help? I don't know but say he did, what's wrong with that? But it was Bonnie that helped him wake up to his task with her and Bonnie was not homosexual. So why did she create this myth Michael?
I am sawyer in this video. What michael is saying here is correct. IF we want Do to be our teacher then he is our teacher and we follow all the rules he gives. Otherwise we could leave. If it was a corporation or military or religion we were signing up with, if we didn't want to live by their rules, it's out on your ass. Ti and Do did not need us to stay with them. That's why they set the bar high and even sent people out of the group. 19 were sent out in 1976 and then throughout 20 years.
Listening to this tape is so FUCKED UP.... That girl Gayle was so far removed from reality that it was sad.... Her Mom asking her when are you coming home she says "probably never" he parents knew straight away she was messed up...
This is interesting. In addition to a selfhate for DO's(Applewhite's) own sexuality and life, he must have also had a disdain for other people, because he built a system that isolated then threw away their lives, and not only his own. I would love to have been able to talk to Applewhite about his life and upbringing at length.
@SimzySays420 You think is evil. Why? But if to you it is evil then what do you call the behavior of everyone in this world? For instance is it evil to know that our government lies and fosters wars & kills men women and children all over the planet and then pay them taxes to do it, even avoiding seeing the hate they promote? And they do it in the name of their idea of some holyman. How about putting toxins in the air water and food? Are we evil if we don't combat these behaviors? More examples?
If my daughter spoke like that to me I would go out find her and see first hand what she is involved with.
Ziru322 2 hours ago
Weird, when I die in a Video Game I often stay on the same level...
supermoe1985 6 days ago
1:45 to 3:25 ...heartbreaking. They're obviously worried and love her so much. I can't imagine my daughter on the other end talking like that. When are you coming home? "Maybe never" ...so sad :(
tigerkidtre 1 week ago
@tigerkidtre i agree those poor parents
AMYFENGISGUILTY 4 days ago
Hahaha well I would really like to see someone like this try and brainwash me... I'm sure you fellow youtubers feel the same way? Obviously
gamerman1235 2 weeks ago
The Maeders look like a fine group of people.
MidgetDiesel 3 weeks ago
i don't often get angry but when her nan is on the phone you can hear that she thinks she will never see her again, the parents however i think they still have hope. i have such a close relationship with my grandmothers, i just couldn't imagine it.
Bhhsboy1 3 weeks ago
Stan... I know several people who are looking for their purpose and do have a life.
acecadet4000 1 month ago
Why didn't this man blink?
DThinkinHumanBean 1 month ago
OMG! He must'a been one of those wicked aliens! Experimenting on people...poor people!
Licmycat 1 month ago
Marshall`Applewhite:`Skullfucker.
R.I.P.--Rot`Into`Pieces
Nikolaii2571 1 month ago
O verdadeiro pastor dá a sua vida pelas suas ovelhas. Esse cretino e os que o seguiam, de fato, queriam ser espíritos mais elevados e se esqueceram da humildade com a qual qualquer ser humano errando durante a vida... É uma pena.
FranciscoUERJ2009 1 month ago
no one shouldve died at the hand of this maniac
Msroshinglebingle 1 month ago
You see mostly "INBRED DUMBSHITS" being recruited by "CULTS",but to recruit college educated people with "ABOVE AVERAGE INTELLIGENCE",then something is definately wrong,because these people had "NO SELF ESTEEM"!!!!
turbinexman 1 month ago
Cult member: We're all celibate.
Mother: Oh that's nice.
LMAO
Oh, this is so sad, but that part made me laugh. I think the parents should have asked her to teach them about her religion and act like they really wanted to join. Maybe she would have come home then.
Nepthu 1 month ago
If I had a daughter in this situation, I'm not going to just sit on my ass hoping something is going to happen.
StanBennet 1 month ago
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Starting at 6:11, I can only say how desperate this man was in conflict over the situation. Truly shocking, sad for certain.
SirGeraldMace 2 months ago
Starting at 6:11, I can only say how desperate this man was in conflict over the situation. Truly shocking, sad for certain.
SirGeraldMace 2 months ago
the leader of this "church" has had his mind taken over by satan....you can see true evil in his looks and his words.
armywifeandproud 2 months ago
The clown at 4:56 is one arrogant ass. Looking for his purpose. I'm sick of hearing about people who are looking for their "purpose." How about starting with getting a life. People with lives don't go around wondering what their damn purpose is unless they are losers.
StanBennet 2 months ago 4
@StanBennet LMAO so true
AMYFENGISGUILTY 4 days ago
@mrpeacelovedope Duet. 22:11 does not mean that wearing wool and linen together is a sin...It is a metaphor not to wear those linens together because because they are low quality and wear out fast. God doesn't want Salesmen or manufacturers deceiving customers of a low quality product. The verse was for protection against deceivers.
booklove456 2 months ago
@mrpeacelovedope First of all, I didn't say that all cults are suicidal I was referencing to this cult. Second of all, yes some "Christians" if you want to call them that, are cults like the Westboro Baptist Church, but not all Christians are like that. Third, there are several kinds of Christianity, not just over all, for example, Catholic, Evangelical, Assembly of God, Baptist, Methodist, Nazerene, ect. Also, Monks belong in the Buddhist religion or Catholic, which I am neither.
booklove456 2 months ago
This is why religious hate is so dangerous, you always find out after the fact that these cult leaders were brought up in a religious environment full of discrimination towards them for either being gay, or for their race, or whatever... If you tell someone they're a monster enough they'll become one... Just saying, if you don't have something nice to say keep your mouth shut because your hate can breed the next cult leader.
MadMaxxieXD 2 months ago
I know that people have the capacity to believe the stupidest things, but how can they be so cruel to their family members?
vinegarthomas 3 months ago
religious people be crazy
AkkiMancer 3 months ago
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To booklove456:
SURE JC was for killing! "'But now if you have a purse, take it and also a bag; and if you don't have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one. (Luke 22:36)" I will strike her children dead. Then all the churches will know that I am he who searches hearts and minds, and I will repay each of you according to your deeds. ( Revelation 2:22-23)"
"Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. (Matthew 10:34)
1Beaker2 3 months ago
i have no qualms about religions, you're entitled to believe in whatever you want to. just don't push your beliefs to others and make sure it doesn't hurt others.
patryklau 3 months ago
@XFChecker97 I don't care what your beliefs are XF as long as they don't effect other people, but why do all these cults end up with the same result? death. You destroy the lives of the victims families. Wether that follower truly believed they were not commiting suicide and were happy to end their lives is besides the point, their families did not want them to die and now the lives of those families are destroyed because of sick fucks like yourself. If you want to die, leave others out of it!!
taylor29ish 3 months ago
XFCheckers97: Another Hravens Gate freak... Are u on the next Away Team? It's a shame u despise Earth. Knowledge is power checked out your sorry ass channel. U appear very bitter. hate Earth so much u want to leave it
crazeeborg 4 months ago
@crlody1 You support these crack pots. I just checked out ur channel lol!!! Seems like u want to join the "away team" too. I won't waste my time argueing with bitter ppl. And yes, cybernetic implantation will be our future imo. Technolgy is improving at such a rapid rate that we will have to embrace/inegrate with it. Our human concsuous will remain. The dead cult members were brainwashed just like you!!
crazeeborg 4 months ago
WTF? So boys became like eunichs. Did their leader get castrated too? The members appear to have joined the group as kids. They were easy targets for brainwashing and manipulation. Poor ignorant ppl... The aliens won't contact us do to the prime directive. XD Our "next level" is cybernetic enhancement. So assilimate me, baby!!!
crazeeborg 4 months ago
@crazeeborg No, they did not "join as kids", children were not allowed in the group. No, they were not "easy targets for brainwashing and manipulation" although the argument could be put forth that your statement is applicable to the entire human race. Speaking of "ignorant" it's "due to" not "do to". How do you know that the "next level" is cybernetic enhancement? The only enhancement that is of any value is the enhancement of a soul.
crlody1 4 months ago
3spm ur a dumbass :)
TylerFireeagle 4 months ago
I would have liked to bitch slap that wide-eyed freaky cult leader before he went to the 'next level'.
23Henrich 4 months ago 10
That Gale chick was hot. So sad :(
Heavyweightchampionx 4 months ago
these people are as thick as shit ..... top darwin award winners
iamlron 4 months ago
Man, that call is painful. I wonder how the parents managed not to break up while they were talking?
cochranexyz 4 months ago
I wish my child would tell me they weren't going to see me anymoree.
alexism504 5 months ago
@alexism504 o.0
MrsPoodle78 5 months ago
@MrsPoodle78 sarcasm lol
alexism504 5 months ago
once again a juxtaposition of what most percieve ufos/ets to be and what they really are instead of interstellar visitors perhaps much more akin to fallen angels and how mankind viewed the sylphs and shee from the distant past-if one really can see in the interdimensional shift between this world the next and the previous appelwhite truly was decieved thinking to lead these inquisitive souls instead of into the light ...but eternal darkness ! sad tragic and nothing new !
jStevieO 5 months ago
At 6:53 he looks like a mix between Ted Bundy and George Bush... Creepy....
NarLiv 5 months ago
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NarLiv 5 months ago
Jesus was nothing like a cult leader. He didn't go and ask others to kill themselves. He died for our sins. What kind of cult leader would do that? Most cult leaders think about themselves. Jesus didn't make people do bad things and keep an individual away from their family. Jesus loves everyone and love doesn't brain wash people, evil does.
booklove456 5 months ago 13
@booklove456 Jesus told them to leave all behind to follow him, that was children, family, etc. Jesus told them they "would drink the cup he drank and be baptized with the baptism he was". The "cup" was his task. REmember he asked his Father if the cup could be passed from him, but then realized that was why he came to yes, demonstrate overcoming the world by sacrificing what is of most value, our physical life. But at that stage they were less civil so they were all hunted & murdered.
3spm 4 months ago
@booklove456 Who did jesus really die for? Read the book of John again. Pay close attention. He said humans were not taking his life from him. He said he was giving his life for his FAther, to please his Father. That lie of there being only one member of the Kingdom of God has confused many. The Father was moreorless like an Admiral in their Kingdom and Jesus was his Captain. No one in the group was made to do anything. I have dozens of examples. If you want to see some of them study it.
3spm 4 months ago
@booklove456 Does Jesus love the weeds(tares), the heathen who hate God? There were a number of words all translated in english to one word love that confuse people a great deal. The weeds and evil are necessary but WOE to those that are the instruments of evil. But how does evil come. As a sheep, as a follower, as a religionist glueing people to the past when they could be open minded to the present and realistic future instead of pie in the sky pollyanna country club religious illusion.
3spm 4 months ago
@booklove456 Brainwashing? That's another luciferian misnoma to confuse people. The biggest brainwashers are the most accepted. The relgions and the Spiritual groups and the athesist groups, intellectuals, the soldiers, the evangelicals are those who most demonstrate a washed brain, but it's not the washing, it's what it's washed of. Baptism really meant "To wash". Note those who overcome are given new clean light(pure) robes (bodies) to wear. Overcoming is washing one's brain of humanness.
3spm 4 months ago
@booklove456 Christianity is one of the most destructive cults the world has ever known.
clumpft 3 months ago
Aha!! Of course! The repressed homosexual. Any religion or idiology that suppresses sexuality, has dire consequences for it's members as well as people that those individuals are in contact with. Sexuality cannot be tamed, attempts to supress sexuality are usually motivated by people trying to inflict power over others.
clumpft 3 months ago
@booklove456
You are making some bold assertions. What evidence do you have that jesus even existed, let alone "died for our sins?"
vinegarthomas 3 months ago
@booklove456 If jesus died for thr sins of mankind then how come mankind still sin.that means jesus died in vain..and btw GOD dont kneed to come down and then be in the womb of a female then a baby then a child then a adult to forgive man of his sins.GOD forgives from his high throne..GOD dont have such weak mankind kneeds to become one of us.hes far above his creations
dimpsey3 2 months ago
@dimpsey3 Clearly you are uneducated considering you can't spell or use proper grammar at all. I am a Christian so everyone should get over it. Jesus died not to stop sin, but for us to able to be forgiven of our sins. He was also sent here to teach us lessons about how we should live. What is wrong with following the ten commandments and being good? And I can not respond about your last sentence because your sentence structure is that poor.
booklove456 2 months ago
@booklove456 Your knowledge about GOD and jesus is like a man on a hot desert with
water bag full of sand
dimpsey3 2 months ago
@dimpsey3 Great come back idiot. Here is a brilliant idea maybe you should think before you comment so you don't sound so dumb. It's IN a hot desert not on a hot desert. And I think I would know a bit about God and Jesus because I studied it. Obviously you know nothing considering you can't even write a sentence. I'm done with this conversation because it is like having one with a 5 year old. bye. P.S. Jesus loves you:)
booklove456 2 months ago
@booklove456 Jesus is not GOD nor his son...who did mary pray to when jesus was in her womb?? her unborn child..when jesus walked this world there was not one christian on the planet..so why dont u go and worship your x-mas tree and im sure a 5 year old know more about GOD and jesus then you do.. who do u worship..GOD? Jesus? the holy ghost.are u x-mas tree
dimpsey3 2 months ago
@booklove456 Jesus actually preformed miracles out in the open, didn't ask us to "live above human" and told us as a follower to keep begging for our sins to be forgiven and treating others as we wanted to be treated. These guys were so out there.
StanBennet 2 months ago
@booklove456 He seemed more like a philosopher than religious leader from the writings.
Dragon555 2 months ago
@booklove456 I hate to tell you, but jesus was a cult leader, even if he was the son of god and died for our sins. Look up the definition. You only say that he wasn't because you are a brainwashed individual. :)
ghpink 2 months ago
Go to the 6:11 mark of this video & you can tell there is something radically wrong....
ogrebattle22763 5 months ago
It's so interesting how a clip is edited and ends up giving a totally different slant. It's my fault also as I often gave too much detail and the interviewer then got a confused perspective. I wasn't ever looking to do something outside the group. I wanted to do more inside the group - take the info public again for instance. However I got arrogant in my own self importance in the group and asked Ti for a task like Do's. After 18+ dedicated years I was still so blind to what I needed to learn.
3spm 5 months ago
Why is it that I didn't feel threatened by missing the boat. And nor did he, as he left too. I'll admit that for me when I had doubts one thought did cross my mind that I'd put all this investment of time and energy into this so didn't want to throw that all away. However, when I decided to leave none of that sense of invesetment mattered to me at all so I left. But threats michael? how many meetings did we have where threats were issued? NONE and the tapes exist to prove it.
3spm 5 months ago
@3spm Do you miss your friends?
jax252000 4 months ago
@jax252000 Hi. No, I don't miss them. But that doesn't mean what it sounds like. The relationship we had was close and I enjoyed their company. They are each truly beautiful souls in every respect but I know for a fact that I can't prove that they were not duped at all, nor were they misguided or naive nor have a death wish. I can talk about the evidence of what I've said and will but to most it will never fly because most have made up their minds.
3spm 4 months ago
@jax252000 They gave their physical lives to Do. Sure it's sad from the human perspectives, like for the Maeders but they don't have to remain hurt though it's difficult. I have a daughter and if someone took her away from me, as I perceived it I would hurt. Actually I already do hurt. She is 14 and just recently did a two week sleepover out of state and I missed her greatly as I would if she died but I know that's my vehicle's natural emotions responding. However this is very different I know.
3spm 4 months ago
@jax252000 The difference to me is that with my vehicles daughter it's a genetic bond with my vehicle. The fact is, I would have exited with them had I also developed that kind of bond with Do. I thought I had and I'm not saying I didn't have a bond with Do. I do, but it wasn't strong enough to keep me from falling off the wagon in terms of the qualifications to be included on their crew. I could have asked harder for help to deal with the tempations I had. Each of them had equivilent tests.
3spm 4 months ago
@jax252000 We were not trying to develop bonds with one another. That's what humans do. This wasn't human which is why some can't fathom it as any positive at all for them. Plus most don't really know who/what they/we are, which I won't go into now. This was not an action appropriate for anyone else but them. It was 100% unique. And their thinking and actions were 100% consistant with what Jesus said and did but in their own terms, not because they were Jesus material studious.
3spm 4 months ago
@jax252000 When Jesus set up his own trap he knew would result in his vehicles death & told his students they too would "drink that [same]cup" because this was the ultimate greatest way one shows their love for their Older Member (Father), by "laying down their [current] life for their sheep" & how that goes hand in hand with the #1 goal/ instruction to qualify for membership in the Above Human Kingdom in the literal heaven's - "giving one's ALL, then it doesn't seem like an evil cult anymore.
3spm 4 months ago
@jax252000 The Jesus cult as with the Heaven's Gate cult were not supporters of the human family or of religion or spirituality or governments or passions, thus were in reality antihuman. It wasn't until Ti and Do arrived, first in invisible/soul body form that Space Aliens began to show up to woo humans to their assumed superiority, which was only in a limited technical capacity as they too were terrestrial and mammalian with familys and human equivilent needs/wants as 100's of reports testify.
3spm 4 months ago
@jax252000 Of course to most atheists who believe our reality took the shape it's in thru random events & stimuli response, talk about illusion just like the Christian idea that jesus did it all for us so we didn't have to & the new age spiritual premise that Jesus saying the kingdom of god is within you meant we were all gods already if we just let it happen or Rael's proclamation his aliens are the genesis elohim but don't create planet yet need hi tech solutions to solve problems.
3spm 4 months ago
@3spm Wow. You do have some interesting views, and you seem highly intelligent. I do have one question though. I saw on this documentary that they believe that theywent to a place where there was no emotion. So where they are now, are they not able to feel happy?
jax252000 4 months ago
@jax252000 Can you point me to the minute/second where this was said as it must be totally misunderstood. Ti and Do told us that upon graduation many members of the Next Level would have a huge cerimony for the new graduates. They don't lack emotion at all. Watch Do in some of the Beyond Human tapes he did in 1991 and he frequently gets emotional when talkilgn about his "heavenly Father" (older member) Ti. He doesn't want to show emotion because emotion can mislead others. jesus got angry.
3spm 4 months ago
@jax252000 When Ti and Do were asked in a 1975 public meeting if there was fun in the Next Level, they responded, Yes, absolutely, but just as it is fun for horses to run around in a field together that might not be as much fun for many humans, Next Level members have plenty of fun working in the crews in labs and running errands, being messengers, watchers, pilots, etc. They said it would be fulfilling to hear the music the spheres make as one travels through the heaven's inside a spacecraft.
3spm 4 months ago
@jax252000 The "classroom" (the environment Ti and Do set up for their students to learn experientially from) included lots of fun, even silly fun at times but there was no sarcastic fun or condescending fun. In the 70's it was a little more strict, but that was because all the students were being weened from their past and past ideas of fun and fullfillment. We had little to do at times, but then had games to play like yatzee and pac man when it first came out in a limited way.
3spm 4 months ago
@jax252000 By the 1990's most of those who were not serious enough about their overcoming and self applied washing the humanness out of their brains either left or were asked/prodded to leave. In 1989 Do offerred anyone $1000 if they wanted to leave. They sent us all to visit whoever we wanted, that might be anxious about us. This was in 1985 and again in 1987. It would have been easy to just not go back. One did leave about a year after that as he missed his brother whom he'd visited with.
3spm 4 months ago
@jax252000 If you want to get a feel to how Ti and Do interacted between one another and with their students listen to this audio clip I put on a youtube video titled: "Ti & Do audio talking in 1982 Blackhawk CO Adam Lucifer part 1" on my 3spm channel. There are four parts to this and this was typical of 19 years with them. Yes they feel happy I'm sure of that. Ti and Do felt being here was like being in a snake pit. Some of the exit video's demostate the honest happiness students felt.
3spm 4 months ago
@jax252000 In the 80/90's we had all sorts of activities but if we did them like humans they were discontinued. For instance we had a volley ball court & played but when some got aggressive they told us the way the Next Level would play would be to both work to see how long the ball was kept from hitting the ground. Pleasure was not wrong. In the classroom we simply had to be satisfied with the pleasures the teachers felt were appropriate, when and how often. We could always leave anytime.
3spm 4 months ago
@jax252000 Early on in the 1970's Ti and Do were working on the way humans use facial expressions to influence others so we all wore these scifi looking hoods for a couple months. They told us at one point while learning restraint to refrain from dramatic expressions. So if you were happy, you didn't feel the need to jump up and down and yell or if sad to cry. We were attempting to channel all that sensory energy to an even keel. But if someone was really unhappy they were helped to leave.
3spm 4 months ago
@jax252000 Once we learned certain lessons, they were no longer as needed and Ti and Do were never condescending or repremanding in a human way. However, they were never chummy and nor were we chummy with one another, though in a way that relaxed a little by the 1990's. But there was no need to be. We had music at times too, had a Christmas tree the time before Ti left her vehicle and a little party and a tiny shot glass of wine that Do said he didn't like what it did to his head clarity.
3spm 4 months ago
@jax252000 In the 1990's We went to the movies almost once every two weeks, took outings to zoos and had special times with Ti and Do in smaller groups and at times one on one. Ti and Do's ways were with very high standards. At times we were required to stay in bed beyond the 6 minimum to 8 maximum sleep time. We participated in sleep experiments as some used sleep to escape problems while others could not keep their brain quiet so needed more down time. We had lots of dietary challenges.
3spm 4 months ago
@jax252000 We watched TV shows most every night. Shows like murder she wrote and price is right and star trek. Sometimes they were optional. We were expected to be quick, but graceful and quiet. Some classmates were jollier than others and some were more solumn that others but overall there was a peace and sense of connection that could not be hidden even from those we worked among in the world as many of us held jobs for years to support the effort as we never sought donations.
3spm 4 months ago
@jax252000 Yes, Do was very serious in his exit video's. He knew exactly the way he would be seen, as the evil cult leader brainwashing naive humans to kill themselves. I witnessed Do weeping on one occasion. One when he felt like he moved the operation to Atlanta from Colorado and felt out of range of Ti in Atlanta. (Ti left her vehicle in 1985 but Do still felt her closeness/help all along). Do said then that he didn't want to put us through moving back. 5 24' trucks of house furnishing.
3spm 4 months ago
@jax252000 I know it sounds strange but we did some experimenting with hugs. Again bodily contact was generally a no no as touch can be a very sensuous action and when one has been celebate in body and hopefully in mind for years, it doesn't mean they lose the desire. In fact in some ways the desire increases, thus more sensitivity to things others who are not celebate would never consider stimulating. It's like an addiction to substances. One generally wants more and more so acclimates to more.
3spm 4 months ago
@jax252000 In Andody's dream, a dropout classmates I know, Chkody who laid down her life & had joined with Andody as man and wife I believe, told him they were very happy. Jwnody told me in a dream "it was worth it". Whenever I think of them I see big smiles on their faces. Here is a morning wake up song Do gave us: "Good Morning to you, Good Morning to you, we're all in our places with sunshining faces. What a good way to start a new day". Yes, brainwashing! They loved Do for GOOD reason.
3spm 4 months ago
@jax252000 To those that say Jesus is a myth, they are largely correct. The Christian jesus has been reduced to a mythological story the same that became of Krishna and The Buddha. But what human can even conceive of what to say that is so anti human? Look they either make the space aliens a blob in the sky or just like humans with families. Note Jim jones forced people to drink the poison and at gunpoint, even kids. Where were Jesus and disciples children? He required them to be left behind.
3spm 4 months ago
@jax252000 Sure if they wern't legit from the creator's crew leaving family and kids would be a different story entirely. Ti and Do said kids could not join them because parents couldn't make this kind of committment (to give all to). I know I've gone way past your question. But yes, I am fond of them and some have come to me in dreams. Jwnody told me "It was worth it". Dstody told me Obama was the rev 6 black horse, horse being a human vehicle an overcomer seeks to ride/control.
3spm 4 months ago
@jax252000 Do has visited me 7 times. The last time was a month ago. It was the entire group & they indicated they were returning a last time before full recycling and soon & I believe we will all have opportunity to see them with the faces they had in the vehicles they laid down the lives of so many will know whom they condemn really are not dead. So for me they are not really gone & I know how happy they are minimumly as how happy they were while with their Older Member in their "classroom".
3spm 4 months ago
Isn't it typical that when someone wants to justify something they otherwise fear to consider they call it a myth or a conspiracy theory or a pychotic episode. So if Do feared his homosexuality I guess micheal is saying he conjured up a way he could have others hate him so he could then be punished so he decided he'd be from the Kingdom of God and then play it out for 24 years to punish himself good. Does anyone else buy that explanation?
3spm 5 months ago
So michael says Do was troubled about his homosexuality so he "built this myth". Yes, Do as Applewhite was troubled by his homosexualual relationships as he was troubled by his hetersexaual relationships and about 6 months before meeting Ti he had decided to not be sexual at all. Did he seek professinal help? I don't know but say he did, what's wrong with that? But it was Bonnie that helped him wake up to his task with her and Bonnie was not homosexual. So why did she create this myth Michael?
3spm 5 months ago
I am sawyer in this video. What michael is saying here is correct. IF we want Do to be our teacher then he is our teacher and we follow all the rules he gives. Otherwise we could leave. If it was a corporation or military or religion we were signing up with, if we didn't want to live by their rules, it's out on your ass. Ti and Do did not need us to stay with them. That's why they set the bar high and even sent people out of the group. 19 were sent out in 1976 and then throughout 20 years.
3spm 5 months ago
Listening to this tape is so FUCKED UP.... That girl Gayle was so far removed from reality that it was sad.... Her Mom asking her when are you coming home she says "probably never" he parents knew straight away she was messed up...
ogrebattle22763 6 months ago
Do is just a shit! and the heaven's gate members are shit brain/pathetics !
Redsinister32 6 months ago
so you just start lopping off body parts?
iplayacc 6 months ago
Why the heck would we be born with reproducing organs if we were never intended to use them? God these people were so gullible and weak.
mexboiii 6 months ago
flip a coin to see who goes first...!!!! haha
yelherf 7 months ago
man i miss my nigga, rip dude
RatchetSouth 7 months ago
This is interesting. In addition to a selfhate for DO's(Applewhite's) own sexuality and life, he must have also had a disdain for other people, because he built a system that isolated then threw away their lives, and not only his own. I would love to have been able to talk to Applewhite about his life and upbringing at length.
bill0756 9 months ago
damn powerful stuff--that's a family disintegrating
quicklern818 9 months ago
that rio dude grabs behold a pale horse by william cooper at the bookstore, great read
willybober2 11 months ago
castration, this is so epicly funny!
bikegirl2 11 months ago
The "new creature" that born is a demon of suicide!!!
stoogefan138 11 months ago
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quicklern818 1 year ago
i have it matt! i have alot of books and magazine about heaven's gate!
juanvodka23 1 year ago
There's something about Rio Di Angelo... that's sexy.
bettescorpio 1 year ago
i like rio di angelo!! ge gives alot of peace to me when he speaks!
juanvodka23 1 year ago
@juanvodka23 . He has a book. Beyond Human Mind. It's worth the read.
MattStait 1 year ago
Sad shit. Very very sad shit. Evil.
SimzySays420 1 year ago 14
@SimzySays420 You think is evil. Why? But if to you it is evil then what do you call the behavior of everyone in this world? For instance is it evil to know that our government lies and fosters wars & kills men women and children all over the planet and then pay them taxes to do it, even avoiding seeing the hate they promote? And they do it in the name of their idea of some holyman. How about putting toxins in the air water and food? Are we evil if we don't combat these behaviors? More examples?
3spm 5 months ago
that phone conversation was so fucking depressing.
lildread1 1 year ago 32
For a long time I feel total hatred and rage on sight of this man!!
admonster11 2 years ago