Nancarrow: Study No. 21 @ Julliard

[Vesivian]

hahaha what a joke

[shokill]

radio edit. quit hatin'.

[FZmustacheFZ]

If you're not going to play it right, don't perform it like this. Practice until you get it right, not until you get it "good enough".

[Sardone777]

@josephmotter it is really difficult to take you seriously due to the fact that, in your criticism of this work, you spelled the word piece wrong.

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[tayloreh]

Who gives a shit if you didn't use a score? Just call it your own song, don't listen to these perfectionists. Artists who are genuinely creative take everything as it is. They'll have preference, and they'll have suggestions, but they'll know deep down only an idiot thinks you have to play a song as written.

[nstellner]

@tayloreh If you look into the topic, Nancarrow was a perfectionist too. Thus why most of his music was written for the player piano. He didn't want the human interpretation to be injected into his performances, i.e. the lack of metric precision.

Nothing against these gentlemen and their performance, but I highly doubt that the metric ratios are performed to the degree of precision as Nancarrow would have intended.

In most cases, I would agree with you. However, in this case I do not.

[tayloreh]

@nstellner But why do you have to even respect the composer? I can understand why it would be frustrating to hear this performance for you, especially if you've heard it done in a way that you like better, but at the end of the day, music itself is bigger than any human, living or dead, however deified they've become in music circles. You don't have to like it, but accept it, then see what you can do to forgive them, and yourself, of your grudge. It not only maintains, but expands our integrity

[nstellner]

@tayloreh You don't necessarily have to respect, or even agree with the composer. You're right; music is an art and should be treated as such in all creative senses. However, if you're going to perform a piece by a composer, you should treat that composer's work with their intention in mind. After all, it was their artistic expression first. In this case, Nancarrow's expression was within the metric and melodic precision. If you don't want to follow that intention, then don't play that music.

[tayloreh]

@nstellner So no artist is allowed to interpret another artists song how they want? That's pretty stifling. Most coffee houses would be empty, artists would have a hard time uncovering their original voices, even more people in the world would forget what true fun is... I say, at the very least, give them the benefit of the doubt. Maybe this was just an early run-through and was mislabeled and put on youtube without their knowing.

Optimism and kindness wins, every time. Science proves it.

[maccariu]

...is orrible!!!...Nancarrow is a composer not a "macchietta"!!!

[bbopdude]

Groan.

[bbopdude]

groan.

[blasticore]

Never heard of it, but it's funny as hell. =P

[juanmaMCMLXXXII]

Como broma para hacerla con los amiguetes puede estar bien... pero en el ámbito de un concierto, para mí no tiene gracia, y además demuestra un pensamiento bastante simplista e incomprensión en relación a la música que se parodia, en la que nada está improvisado (logícamente al ser un estudio para pianola)

[bickymcq]

I happen to have the score open in front of me. This is really more a gloss on the piece. Not true at all.

[paigevquinn]

wtfffffff. :)

this makes me really happy.

[mohamedalyfarag]

the relationship between the instruments is very cool esp. bassoon and trumpet

[Sirdoman]

hahah! I enjoy dissonance when it's organized, but not this!

[DrMadrigal]

hahahaha i LOVE the guitar. "man i'm bored, think i'll just join in here at the end..."

[pookiehohn]

It's like an Avant Gard Circle Jerk.

[fordieform]

sounds good to me

-hero

[pookiehohn]

I know; it's just some musicians "get off" on how "avant gard" they are. It's like

"Look how avant gard I am; I don't use a tonal system"

"Well, I don't play the instrument as it was intended"

"Well, I'm hitting a kettle drum with a week old herring"

[fordieform]

LOFLOFLOFL

-hero

[brattycaz]

is it me, or is this just a noise. And Im a genuine jazz fan!!!

[sprechstimme]

just curious- is this performance true to the transcription?

[w7nter]

I declare shenanigans

[davidhandles]

Really. What IS that guitarist doing? I'm very curious.

[janken919]

That's a good question, maybe he forgot his pick and had to improvise.

[bigmonsterpebble]

Nancarrow was not suppose to be recited. So, don't.

[brasskicker08]

Maybe. But Nancarrow's music was meant to be explored and understood. Seems like these guys are doing exactly that, through participation.

After all, Nancarrow moved to player piano after his composition became too difficult for human players, so his original intention with his work was to have it performed. It just wasn't recited because of player limitations, so I think a respectable attempt deserves a lot more than scorn, especially this one. They did a damn good job.

[sandome]

I thought Julliard was a serious school of music. This is bullshit. Please more respect for Nancarrow.

[GreggaryPeccary]

Come on. This is hard stuff

[GreggaryPeccary]

On a second thought, the trumpeter sets in too early. And what the heck is the guitarist doing?

[gnatural]

@sandome any chance you get to bash Julliard im sure you will take it. hahaha

[EricSuarezTrumpet]

@sandome They show respect for Nancarrow. Completely! Listen, The whole point of the stud 21 is having all the temp changes. The trumpet slowing down while the Bassoon is speeding up. The notes don't mean shit at a certain point.

[TheBennjy18]

@sandome lets hear you play some Nancarrow

[josephmotter]

hey guys,

you did a very good job of this but if you want to do a GREAT JOB please go buy the score, analyze　the sequential patters of the that alternate through out the peace.

This peace is not a bunch of random notes. This piece has form, It has order, It can be analyzed and understood.

IN other words, please do it right next time!!!

thanks,

joe

[theocharlier]

You guys are awesome, but I am sure you knew that already!

[strav12]

Does humour belong to music? Cartoons definitely do - thanks for this post!

[alyssacroacia]

Congratulations on a masterful performance!

[johnanderson777]

great job.

[PSearPianist]

What is impressive is that the players seem to play from memory - I don't know if there is any improvisation involved. Nancarrow's score, as written for player piano, is predetermined to the ultimate degree!

[hoipuss]

How many times do you need to post this ditty ??? Try writing something else, you've worn this out. : (