Has the Church replaced Israel to the negation of Israel? (part 1)

[Mr1991Wright]

white people  are dumb

[gunner23]

Jesus is a zionist. Uploader if you dislike zionism youve been indoctrinated by left wing and arab propaganda, You need to see the arguements from both sides from the perspective of the Jews and the Arabs. Then make your decision. Read Dershowitz.Long live the Jews. - Former pro palestinian.

[student507]

tv is no venue for true debates to expose falseness.

[student507]

dispensationalism is false doctrine.

[VanillaCharmander]

@inbyhisgrace Right on! God has not cast off Israel completely, brethren! If there is no hope for Israel, who is called the elect of God in the OT, then there can be no hope for the church, which called the elect of God in the NT. If God can reapply His promises that he made specifically with Israel to the church, then surely he can re-reapply those promises to the church to some other group in the future. Visit salvationbygrace[dot]org for a better discussion than these little youtube comments.

[inbyhisgrace]

there's no debate here? anyone that thinks the Church replaced Israel needs to re-read their bibles. When the "time of the gentiles" is completed the Jews blinded eyes will be opened after the anti-christ's abomination of desolation happens in Jerusalem in the very very near future

[JesusHoldMyHand1]

There is NO "spiritural" Israel. The Chruch will NEVER replace Israel. God's promises to Israel will be fulfilled, just a s He said they would. The Covenant to Abraham, Isaac & Jacob: Genesis 15:18-21; Forever/Everlasting: Genesis 17:7-8; Covenant Confirmed: 1Chronicles 16:15-18; Reaffirms Covenant: Jeremiah 31:35-37; Apostle Paul: God's Promises are IRREVOCABLE!! Romans 11:25-29 A LOT of land does/will belong to the Jews. God Bless Every One of Them. God is Faithful & Just. He does NOT lie

[inbyhisgrace]

@JesusHoldMyHand1 ...well said!

[inbyhisgrace]

what part of ALL of Israel will be saver is confusing? lol

[JesusHoldMyHand1]

@inbyhisgrace Do you mean "savior" or "saviour" or "saved"? I don't understand you question. The spiritural Israel is referring to the Replacement Theology.....That the Church "replaces" Israel in the End Times, which is NOT Correct. Now, ALL of Israel will be saved (those who are alive) is correct. They will be the Jews that Accept Jesus Christ as their Savior ie: the REMNANT. Those who never did, will go to Hell with the rest of the Unbelievers.

[VanillaCharmander]

you'd be surprised...

[courag1]

God will always be faithful to His covenant to Israel. I am glad that as a Gentile believer that His grace extends to me and I pray for the peace of Jerusalem and that His holy angels will protect His heritage Israel. The worst thing for the Christians is if the Arabs kill all the Jews, they will pursue killing all of us next. This is their plan: "1st comes Saturday, then comes Sunday." The Messiah is Jewish, Paul says that in the end all Israel will be saved. God is so great He can love us all.

[withoutamask77]

the jews built the nuclear factory in Iran, many of those work in the Iranian nuclear factory in Iran are jews from the Netherlands. Iran is the allied and the best friend of the jews. it is just theater that Iran against the jews

[brainteknition]

Jacob Prasch owned the other guy. Keep it within context and u don't deviate from truth. Jacob prasch was clear and won the debate

[ishellreal]

Jacob Prasch won this debate hands down. Scripture backs up everything he said.

[jatamode]

@ishellreal He made a convenant wit hthe 12 Tribes of Israel; only 2 of those Tribes are Jews. There is not one big Jewish Tribe. There are 12 of them.

[ishellreal]

@jatamode And what does your response have to do with my post?

[Iowans7]

The Lord has made an EVERLASTING covenant with the jews. NO ONE can come between them/ and that covenant.

[WayOfTheMaster454]

God cares about being circumcised in the heart, and this is achieved through faith in the Messiah Jesus. Christians are Spiritual Isreal.

[DeanCo7777]

Israel became the Church. Dah. The Messiah was from Judah. The first believers were from Judah and Benjamin. They became the church. Now read John 15:1-6 where Jesus said He (not people who call themselves Jews and Israel) was and is the True Vine of God. He clearly taught that whoever who abides in Him would bear much fruit, but that whoever did not abide in Him would not bear fruit to God but would be cut off and thrown into the fire. Jesus was referring to the bad figs mentioned in Jere. 24.

[hoseajeremiah]

Awad is theologically and mentaly retarded!!!! He is preaching another Gospel, even a child will have better understanding of the Gospel, than he has! Awad, repent and stop preaching your lies!!!!

[nikkiluuu]

Jacob Prasch is the best! So glad I listened. God does not break his covenants.

[hoseajeremiah]

@nikkiluuu Amen. Amen!

[tommy3lions]

Ruth and Naomi = Israel and the church.

[lidiasasha]

Alex Award is a "free will armenianistas" twisting the Gospel! You even have not any idea who is Jacob Prasch calling him "Christian Zionist"! He is the best Judaic- Christian teacher! But for prosperity Gospel like you, the Truth it hurts!

[krakabash]

Israel can't be negated, because Jews become the main witness for Jesus during the tribulation.

[zahnast]

strappystratford, you need to remove the tacky 'ridiculous' from the description. You and I both know it's an immature and biased thing to say.

[IsraelGudsAugestein]

The worst kind of anti-Semittism is the Christian Theological.

God can not break Abraham's covenant, it would make God a liar.

[mrsgrout]

king abdullah of jordan has been hammering Israel recently. king abby should remember how his daddy killed about 12 to 18 thousand palestinians in "BLACK SEPTEMBER 1970" ....... since most of you Jew haters are not yet 40 years old, and don't look at history, you wouldn't know the facts.

[Mr1991Wright]

@mrsgrout you hypocrite

[yeshuateaching]

Thanks!

[Jspatacean]

Paul was is passionate throughout his letters in not allowing Christians to put too much stock in becoming Jewish, because we are saved through Christ ALONE. He also tells us EXPLICITLY that God shows NO FAVORITISM! (Romans 2:9-12). The preaching that God show favoritism to the Jewish people and the state of Israel is FALSE TEACHING. Acts tells us that Peter made the same mistake and repented when confronted by Paul. We are ALL, equally sons of God.

In Love,

Your fellow brother in Christ ALONE.

[EncompassedRunner]

Jspatacean, you are talking about salvation, but that is not the issue in the title question, nor is that what Christian Zionism is about, which is the exclusive, unconditional, permanent right of physical Israel to the land of Zion--well tenant possession anyway, since God's really the owner. (Yes, Christian Zionists believe that salvation is only through Christ, but that's another separate matter than our support for Israeli land rights in Zion.)

[Jspatacean]

This is the problem I have...did you know that there is a growing Christian church in Palestine. And yet, instead of loving your brothers, you support the injustice, the stealing of the land, and the economic rape, of the Godless, and Jesus-rejecting Israeli government. You support people who spill the blood of your brothers in Christ and yet you turn a blind eye. Read Brother Andrew on this issue and please do not have the blood of your brothers on your hands when you enter judgment

[JimQualls]

Dear JS, There is NO "palestine." The name "palestine" was invented by Jew haters in an attempt to wipe Israel from the memory of the world. For nearly 200o years after that Jew were the ONLY ones known as "palestinians." The Arab/Muslims didn't' invent the "race" of Arab "palestinian" until about 60 years ago with the creation of Islamic terrorist organization whose purpose was to annihilate the Jews and STEAL the Land of Israel.

[Jspatacean]

I dont know where you get your history, but the people there called themselves Palestinian at the time that the British ruled. They also have birth certificates from "Palestine." Why are you so full of hate for a people you do not even know? Before the mass entrance after the Holocaust, a very minority of Jews, and a large majority of Christians (30%) and Muslims lived together in that land in harmony...Bethlehem was almost 100% Christian. Look at these settlements and tell me who is stealing.

[JimQualls]

Dear JS, The Romans, about 135 AD, after they had expelled the Jews from Jerusalem,changed the name of Judea and Samaria to "palestina." This was expression of their hatred for the Jews and their disdain for the G-d of the Jews. NO Arab was considered a "racial" palestinian UNTIL the invention of the PLO in 1967. Before that time most of the Arab/Muslims living there claimed Syrian background. There was NO "palestine" at any time during the Biblical periods.

[barbsinclair]

Amen brother Jim! In 135ad, Rome sacked the land of Israel and re-named it to "Provincia Palestina." It was to mock Nation Israel giving it a name close to their historical nemesis, the Philistines.

Fact of the matter is, since that time (135 a.d.) the TRUE "Palestinians" were always known to be Israelites, of Israel (Jacob), the Hebrew descendants of Isaac.

50 - 60 years ago, NO Arab would want to be called a "Palestinian" because that would mean people were calling him "a Jew"!

[JimQualls]

Blessings, Barbsinclair: You speak absolute TRUTH.

[JimQualls]

Dear JS: I have made no hateful remarks in these messages. I would be derelict in my Christian duties if I stood by and watched people use the name of Christ as a weapon in their attempts to steal the Land of Israel from the Jews.

[JimQualls]

Jer 23:7-8 Therefore, behold, the days come, saith the Lord, that they shall no more say, The Lord liveth, which brought up the children of Israel out of the land of Egypt;

8 But, The Lord liveth, which brought up and which led the seed of the house of Israel out of the north country, and from all countries whither I had driven them; and they shall dwell in their own land.

KJV

[JimQualls]

Jer 16:14-15 Therefore, behold, the days come, saith the Lord, that it shall no more be said, The Lord liveth, that brought up the children of Israel out of the land of Egypt;

15 But, The Lord liveth, that brought up the children of Israel from the land of the north, and from all the lands whither he had driven them: and I will bring them again into their land that I gave unto their fathers.

KJV

[Jspatacean]

The truth is that we won't know who is right about this issue until we see Jesus. I hope, for my sake, that I am not misrepresenting Christ and using Him as any weapon to further the cause of the enemy and I hope for your sake that you are not either. I'll pray about it and be humble on this issue because it is not a central tenant of Christianity. If you are truly humble as Jesus has asked us to be you should not be so sure one way or the other. The most important things is loving God + people.

[JimQualls]

Isa 11:11-12 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the Lord shall set his hand again the second time to recover the remnant of his people, which shall be left, from Assyria, and from Egypt, and from Pathros, and from Cush, and from Elam, and from Shinar, and from Hamath, and from the islands of the sea.

12 And he shall set up an ensign for the nations, and shall assemble the outcasts of Israel, and gather together the dispersed of Judah from the four corners of the earth.

KJV

[JimQualls]

Dear JS. Jesus is returning to Jerusalem to rescue the Jews. Zech 14

[mrsgrout]

@Jspatacean 1] The Bible is the "word" of God. 2] In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 3] So if you would read and see what God's word says about "The Land", you Zechariah chapter 12. Blessings.

[Jspatacean]

My Brothers in Christ,

If you proclaim to be Christian then you know it is all about Jesus. Paul, a Hebrew among Hebrews, tells us CLEARLY that God's promise to Abraham is that through his "seed" the nations will be blessed: Jesus! PLEASE PLEASE read Galatians 3 as Paul makes this VERY clear.

ALL the promises, EVERYTHING that the prophets looked forward to, is the blessing that comes through Jesus. Israel is blessed because Jesus comes from Israel. It is all about Jesus!

[EncompassedRunner]

@Jspatacean, is anyone here denying "it is all about Jesus" ? The only people on this comment thread that come even close to denying "it is all about Jesus," is those who (ahem) teach something contrary to His Word...such as the unbiblical notion that physical Israel has been replaced with the Church, that the word "Israel" in OT does not mean physical seed of Abraham, Isaac, & Jacob . This is a false tradition of man, thus exalting man-made wisdom, diminishing God's revelation

[JimQualls]

Ps 129:5

5 Let them all be confounded and turned back that hate Zion.

KJV

[Jspatacean]

Israel, is God's Kingdom on earth, after Jesus comes for the second time. "The new Jerusalem." It is promised to those who believe in Jesus ONLY and will be given to those who are children of God through Christ and Christ alone. No matter where you are from. This is the tradition of many great men of the faith, the new man-made tradition, the new doctrine that has recently been established, is Christian Zionism.

[EncompassedRunner]

Well, when I read the uploaders video description calling one of the 2 debaters "ridiculous", I expected this to be a biased video, not letting the Christian Zionist speak, but that was not the case, so far, it's fair in allowing them to speak, so I will continue to watch the other parts. As for this part, Prasch is biblically correct, Awad in error...I look forward to the other vids, thx for uploading.

[Jspatacean]

@EncompassedRunner Have you prayed and asked God's Holy Spirit to help you decide who is "biblically correct?" Or have you decided that on your own?

[EncompassedRunner]

yes, no

[EncompassedRunner]

p.s. I take that back...I did not pray to "decide", since there was nothing to "decide" as the revelation was explicit on this matter, not a gray area...I just prayed as I always do for the Holy Spirit to illumine my understanding (Ps 119:18,27,34), ..this issue is a no brainer though, it's just black & white on paper.

[Jspatacean]

Really, black and white? This is why so many are divided about this issue. In his books, Peter states that some things of the Bible are hard to understand. I am humbled in trying to understand the Bible, and know the Lord will correct me if I am in error. I search for truth EVERYDAY, yet this is not black and white. Many Jesus-loving Christians are divided over this issue (even in my own home). It pains me that you see it this way. One thing that is black-and-white is that God opposes the proud

[JimQualls]

Actually, JS, I think Peter said the writings of Paul were sometimes hard to understand.

2 Pet 3:15-16

And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you;

As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.

KJV

[strappystratford]

I'd say it IS a pretty biased video. Both Prasch and Conder take turns at trying to break Awad down. (Conder even plainly admits that he is not an unbiased facilitator!) Yet, Awad stays amazingly calm and articulate (in a second language to boot!) while the two exasperatingly try to tell him that God does not love him as much as a Jew. This man deserves an amazing amount of respect.

[VanillaCharmander]

@strappystratford There should always be a bias toward the truth.

[hoseajeremiah]

@EncompassedRunner Awad is theologically and mentaly retarded!!!! He is preaching another Gospel, even a child will have better understanding of the Gospel, than he has! Awad, repent and stop preaching your lies!!!!

[JimQualls]

Zech 10:6-7

And I will strengthen the house of Judah, and I will save the house of Joseph, and I will bring them again to place them; for I have mercy upon them: and they shall be as though I had not cast them off: for I am the Lord their God, and will hear them.

7 And they of Ephraim shall be like a mighty man, and their heart shall rejoice as through wine: yea, their children shall see it, and be glad; their heart shall rejoice in the Lord.

KJV

[Jspatacean]

@JimQualls God had mercy on them because of the promise He made to Abraham concerning the seed that is Christ! Not because Judah was better then anyone! God predestined this to happen and showed grace on the house of Judah through HIS "MERCY" so that His covenant to Abraham would be fulfilled. The covenant is that Christ would be born from the house of Abraham through the line of Judah. Jesus is the blessing, Jesus is the reason why these people were spared, Israel was blessed because of JESUS

[JimQualls]

Ps 94:14 For the Lord will not cast off his people, neither will he forsake his inheritance.

KJV