It's ridiculous to assume that with no God humans have no reason to have morals. I think basic morality is common sense - we all know what is 'wrong' simply because we know how we'd feel if someone hurt us - we have the capacity for sympathy and the ability to put ourselves in another's place, 'do unto others as we would have them do to us'. Children don't need to be taught religion to be brought up to respect and not harm others. I was brought up atheist but I still have a conscience.
I remember when I was 5 years old, I started questioning God, one evening at dinner I said "I don't understand God, I don't think it makes sense" and then I start asking questions about who created God and what existed before God, and I was 5, I believed in God, I just didn't think he made any sense, everyone just kept telling me "God knows all the answers, you don't need to know and you'll find out one day when God thinks you're ready". But I knew there was something very wrong with that.
At 4:00, he's preaching that rape is wrong, even though (correct me if I'm wrong, it's been a long time since I've read up on religion) there are instances of rape in the bible?
So rape and pedophilia are wrong, but stoning someone to death is okay? :/
The religious argument that you need faith to be moral might carry more weight if religious people themselves were more likely to be moral, when in fact the opposite seems to be the case (religious people more likely to commit crime, etc.) The thing is, there is no god. And at the end of the day, it's just us, individual humans, deciding whether to be moral or not. Religion falters, because it makes it far to be immoral and feel completely justified in it.
i love that look Dawkins gets on his face, you guys know the look, that "Do I really live in a world with these morons?" look. The "Can they even hear anything I'm saying?" look.
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I can't believe what I hear 4:14 - "I think that all (!) people, if they think they can get away with s'thing will actually tend to do that"... did he ever put himself in a victim's shoe for an instant? it's so... so... horrible!
@dyna88cui he's just a fundamentally immoral man trying to convince himself through fear of eternal damnation that he shouldn't do anything naughty. That doesn't prevent a ton of fundamentally immoral Catholic priests from raping children, but hey, at least they're trying.
@dyna88cui I think one of the scariest things about that statement is what it actually says about the man saying it! If priests are all holy and close to god with their sacred rules and threat of eternal damnation and still committing crimes against humanity, then what is this man hiding in HIS closet?
Goodness knows I'm no Derren Brown, and am inexpert in picking up on clues from behaviour or body language, but I sense that some of the believers who have a vested interest in disseminating their beliefs KNOW they're on indefensible grounds. They look and sound defensive to me. But the've got so much invested in their faith that they don't think they have the option to abandon it.
@AussieEvonne I agree. The more I watch these videos the more I'm shocked at how many times Richard Dawkins, and scientists in general, are accused of being arrogant. That offensive behavior is a mere symptom of their defensiveness over something indefensible.
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secular educational systems impose their evolutionary ideology on children. This is brainwashing and child abuse. Any time you teach a child anything, you are necessarily teaching him based on what you yourself believe, and therefore it is an imposition of worldview, and by this logic, it is brain washing.
i think the one thing we need to remember here is its the parents right and duty to pass on the heratage and/or religious philosophy to thier children in thier own way and time, if we change that we would then be in some scientific fascist state. sorry for spelling errors, peace :)
i remember the time when i was in my childhood, and im the inquisitive kind of toddler who questions everything about life and how things work,..but sadly i was brainwashed and provided with output from my catholic parents that God makes everything and God works in mysterious ways blah blah, i don't even remember the time on how i ended up with catholicism,.all because i was converted during infancy through baptism which i don't even have the choice to speak and reason to be a part of it or not
My biggest problem with using religion to instill morality is that it fosters the idea that doing bad things is only wrong because you will be punished.
I personally was raised in a secular household where the reason to not do bad things was because they are fundamentally wrong.
Children should be taught that murder is wrong, not that murder is wrong because you will be punished
Dawkings take in note. If a parent tells their child Scientology and they're smart. When they grow up they can get rid of nonsense, all it needs is self control. But some people aren't smart enough to get control like sand monkeys (Muslims). I grew up super Catholic and became atheist. Because I always wanted to be a scientist and my life is dedicated to it. That's why I became atheist.
i went to a catholic high school for 2 years and i was ostracised for being a non-believer, contrary to being tolerant and accepting, i was bullied and humiliated by those so-called religious people.
When I was 6 they sent me to Catholic school for 1 year and when I always knew and believed in evolution, I'm a scientist at heart and am dedicated to science. But I didn't know there was such thing as creationism even though I was highly religious. So when the teacher was talking about how everyone came from Adam and Eve I corrected her and said the truth (Evolution) and she got all pissed at me. I was 6! how was I supposed to know correcting the teacher would get expelled! I feel ya
Don't forget the almighty god took 3 days to make the earth and 1 for the stars and cosmos. Thats like saying, it took you 3 hours to make a grain of sand and one hour to make an entire beach. That's yer logic there.
the part where dawkins was interviewing the psychologist brung back memories of when i was 4. it was around my birthday... and how my dad and some relatives said when i die if i make it into heaven, i could have what ever i wanted there. i remember some fear of the torchure and barbque but i really had to focus on the apparent joy of this never ending pleasure dome after death. and "how to get there"... now i look at it with a blunt in my hand... i laugh and say THE FUCK WERE THEY ON? haha
I used to think that people who started those schools were evil and should be thrown in jail, everyone told me they didnt deserve this and that i was some kind of racist.
I feelt that everyone wasw against me,
i have now realised that my asumption infact was correct, people who start this schools are infact evil, but its so accepted by society that if you question it you get all sort of labels on you,
its sick that torture is allowed without question even in a secular society..
Wtf is this kind of school? Ffs one of the thirst things I learned in science is a little thing called research methods... With these basic methods you have another little thing called hypothesis.... Does this kind of education mean we are now raising a generation of children who can send someone to the moon with the idea it will do fine because they 'assume' it will instead of calculating it? Are we gonna implement car wheels of which they assume wont snap? Medication they assume will work? Ffs
I think what's disturbing to many kids (and now grown-ups) is not the image of the hell itself, but the fact that it's their parents who told them those stories, because whatever told by a parent has always a very strong and violently emotional message. Parents today have a responsibility not to infect their children with their own bias (whether it's religious one or not).
I took a social psychology class and a lady who was around 50 who was very religious was going on and on about the bystander effect and how illogical and ridiculous that people do not help others etc. She went on and on about it. I then asked her after class if she believed in human evolution which is a scientific fact and she said no that she is a good Christian and does not believe that. It is funny how people hold ridiculous myths and are so blind to that fact
I've watched the entire Jill Mytton interview with Dawkins. She's such a beautiful person inside and out, and living proof of being able to escape the delusion.
I am a saddened by the fact that religious people on average have a much higher number of children which will mean that in the democratic world the balance of power will shift in their favor unless we can reach the next few generations of children of religious parents which we are currently failing at. How can we rational people intervene before the religious people take over and start WWIII?
When we are small, we don't have any sense of right or wrong. However, our caretakers teach us to understand the difference between them. We learn empathy, the ability to share other people's feelings. So, we don't want to hurt other people because we can feel their pain. However, if you lack empathy and morals, and at the same time appearsocially "normal”, you are a psychopath.
Basically, what the man is saying is that if a believer loses his religious morals, he becomes a psychopath.
Rape is wrong for PLENTY of other reasons, you idiot.
It's people like YOU who, if someone tells you there's not a God, you become a fumbling idiot, stealing and force-screwing everything and everyone around you. It proves you are the immoral ones.
If you can't be moral without a God making sure you're moral, you can't be moral. It's part of becoming a grown up.
Sigh I wish people debating creationists and the religious would bone up on modern philosophy and ethics. A simple citing of John Rawls, Mills, even the libertarian Nozick can give several sources of nontheistic moral systems. (IMO Rawls is best)
No respectable ethicist of nearly the last 200 years has cited god as the source of morality, for most all of them know this was rationally torn asunder thousands of years ago in Socrates' Euthyphro. Instead we look to the nature of humankind itself.
I think hide-and-seek would be a good activity that we could encourage our young ones to participate in... Mainly because it might help them when it comes to finding their BRAINS later in life...
I don't think so much "make" my child anything. I would teach them the appropriate place of ideas. I would teach them about the history of all religions. I would teach them that none of it is based on observable mechanisms, that they were ideas the people came up with before science to explain things they didn't understand. I would help them to obtain the tools to think and choose for themselves and hope that they don't choose religion once they came of age.
basically, I would hope to have done such a good job of introducing them to the tools of reason that they would logically choose the life of a curious humanist instead of closing their minds inside superstition and the sublimation of reason.
@Fabstaire exactly, and in my opinion every child that gets to chose will become an atheist. That`s the reason why there is noone believing in the world of Harry Potter, because it is presented to the children as it is, man made fiction. Just like religion. If we would all stop to indoctrinate our kids with the religious bullshit we were indoctrinated with by our parents, the world would be a much better place.
Wish it could be. The realist in me, looking back on our history, knows this will never happen; maybe a few million years down the line if we are still a species.
Religion is garbage. We need to stop being so polite and accepting of it. I personally cannot be good friends with someone who is into religion, and quite frankly if religion comes up I do not hold my tongue, I tell these delusional shits exactly how I feel...
Hahaha I totally agree with you, but I'm a bit more subtle in my approach. I can't help but to think that's the dose of reality this world needs. A good slap in the face of all those delusional nut jobs. Indoctrination of children into religion should be a crime!
I have not seen your videos, but I'll let you know, people have been trying to prove said god for centuries, and I doubt a youtube whippersnapper will be able to do when the brightest minds in history failed to do so.
And god said :"love thy neighbor as thyself as long as he goes to the same church as you, doesn't question what I say, and isn't gay, a woman, or mentally ill, otherwise kill him or her"
@infectingthecrypts I hope you are trolling. Anyone currently in the north, if no population or races intertwined, would be white within the next 10,000 years. It all has to do with a certain type of enzyme that makes your skin such.
@JuniorDExchangecore Not trolling... Just joking. Early on in the european slave trade, the bible was used to justify enslaving Africans (I think Noah's son was turned dark because he laughed at Noah's nakedness or something) and I was just making fun of that. See who I was replying to for context.
religous indoctrination of children is brain washing child abuse...religionists ask us atheists to respect their beliefs etc..but why should i stay silent when that very religion shapes government policy,sends countries into wars,spreads hiv in africa and creates an army of brainwashed toddler fanatics?????
I am from the UK and an Anglican and I have NO PROBLEM with people (especially Jews) having the right to teach their children the way they want
I have met some Hassidic Jews from that section of London that Dawkins has made to look so hideous in this biased programme. They are fair minded, decent, law abiding people. I am sure they would be offended by they way they were portrayed in this show
I think Dawkins and you should be made to visit to North Korea for a lesson in Tolerance and Respect
good thing most non-religious people don't share this mans approach to disagreement. I'm afraid of religion but am not trying to start blemishing peoples lives and families any slanderous labels. I kinda hope his kids grow up and choose to be fundamentalists. Philosophy can be formidable. and religion can be very miniscule in peoples lives by comparison.
The fact that children are indoctrinated with this nonsense, are given what they want when they scream and hit, and are abused and neglected after being dumped in daycare everyday, is why most people today are so fat, stupid, ignorant and mean. I have little faith in humanity anymore.
I am Canadian. I attended the Catholic school system, which in my province of Ontario is funded by the government and exists on par with secular public schools.
The irony is that because this school system is publicly funded, it is pretty much a mainstreem class system which has a mandatory religion class.
I find it interesting that Mr. Hawkes' reason for not stealing, murdering, etc, is avoiding a dire consequence - nothing to do with whether it is right or wrong. I say this as an addition to what Winterdenni and Phantomofmyopera say below.
My sister wants to send her kid to All Saints catholic school in York, she says that kids do better at catholic schools and that but I think it's a really shit idear.
So are faith schools the same as catholic schools? and will my nephew have to learn all that shit about aids coming from sin and all that other catholic shit? If anyone knows for sure then reply please.
I went to Catholic school a while back. About the only advantage I can see is that the average class size was smaller. Maybe some would think the expensive tuition keeping poor kids out was good, too.
We learned a lot of "other Catholic shit" like transubstantiation, contraception being a sin, the Pope being infallible (when speaking ex cathedra), but I never did hear that AIDS came from sin.
I did hear a classmate say we should kill all homosexuals without the teacher correcting her, though.
This was twenty years ago in a progressive part of the US. I honestly have no idea what it looks like now, especially since the area now has a very old school bishop.
The contraception bit happened in a health class, which was a required part of the "science curriculum".
The rest happened in religion classes (which were required). The murder remark occurred in a morality class.
I was luckier than the kids in the faith schools shown above. For me, church and state were kept mostly separate.
Still, twelve years of indoctrination in those required, if separate classes, have left me with enough poor thought processes and gaps in knowledge to cause a number of problems that still get in the way of my development twenty years later. Problems that my Protestant-raised, secularly-schooled friends don't have (A poor bit of evidence, I know).
Calling religious ideas "science" is horrific, but teaching these ideas to kids as truth under any circumstances can still be destructive.
I have been in a catholic primary school and a catholic secondary school. Can I just say that faith schools in my area are a lot more successful than non faith schools part of my parents reason to send me there. Currently I am a complete atheist, and due to my family not being religious I have experienced in part some segregation there, some children always questioned if i wasn't religious why was I there? Also I was left out a lot when doing holy communion.
however religion isn't in every part of the school. of course there are masses and hyms. and also i experienced nightmares and extreme anxiety when i was young about the idea of hell! it pretty much screwed me up a little bit. also i was indoctrinated to be religious before i even understood what it all was, make sure you tell the child your version that u go to heaven and god is all loving, leave the nasty bits out and then they will not believe as they grow up like santa!
@Ko252 Maybe in a cultural history class about all traditions and mythology and modern religions yes. In that case maybe.. But to mix science classes with religion no.. Science is fact based and religion is faith based.. they need to be separated in schools. You would learn about evolutionary biology in science and intelligent design in cultural history..In my opinion
@ThatHookahGuy I live in one of the most atheistic country in the world, where the far majority is atheists. Even we have obligate education about different religions. I dont think it is necessary to have a faith, but it is necessary to have a general knowledge about the religions and different faiths. Why? So one faith wouldnt have the advantage of the history in that particular area, and you can understand better what people with faith believe in.
There's no such thing as teaching "atheism". Atheism will show itself as a counterargument to religion as logic and rational thought. Religion supposedly is a guideline for our entire lives. Do you want to go on believing without questioning what it is that you're following?
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I bet if like me ur an atheist looking at this thinking 'what the fuck can we do when there's so many monkeys like this in the world, u may be realising what a difficult job we got on our hands
My friend(not anymore of course) believes in rapture. And while walking home He asked me what I believe. I responded by telling him I beleve the ancient Greeks as much as I believe in the bible. This somehow prompted him to say "Wow, have fun burning in hell."Searching for a witty comeback in my head, I eventually decided upon "See you there." I don't think he caught what I was really trying to say, people like him unknowingly condemn themselves to this hell by acting in such a way.
I think it's ironic that the guy uses rape & pedophilia as examples of things that are only wrong because there's a 'law giver' in the sky, when neither of those things is forbidden in the bible!
It's also interesting that he pretty much thinks we would all be raping people and touching little children if there was no god to tell us that it's wrong. Makes you wonder what his idea of temptation is. Also I want to point out something Dawkins brings up in The god delusion; if you don't rape and murder because god tells you it's wrong and you simply listen to him that doesn't mean you have great moral values, it just means you're obedient.
Adrian Hawk must have an appalling, insulting and degrading opinion of humanity to say that without god's laws, every person will simply do as they please including rape and paedophilia. That is so sick. Why do people like him always trot out the worst of the worst of humanity to justify why everyone should submit to their particular beliefs? Why are these so called christians so filthy minded?
I go to a Catholic university and it isnt too bad except that we cannot have a rational debate over major issues if one side is diametrically opposed to the Catholic dogma. This makes organizing guest lecturers tricky. I got a congressman to come and thoguht I would get an earful over his mention of abortion rights and gay marriage. Luckily, I guess no one reported it.
I've always felt that the saying of the Jesuits "Give me the child until he is seven years old and I'll show you the man" sounded sinister and like a mandate for child abuse.
hi, i visited an ace school too.1st of all, ace schools are crap, the stuff they teach you are crap. 2nd you cant really start things with a ace diploma internatinally, you get laughed at when you show your diploma. i am thankfull for ppl like mr. dawkins who make documentaries like this to open the ppls eyes.
I am against Religion, but when people, like you(usually atheists), make false statements, i just have to respond. The Bible wasn't written by one man(this proves you don't know anything about Religion), but it was wrriten by men. It was a commitee that put it together and decided which books belonged. And usually the Christian response to why God did it in those days is to show his handiwork? But you do have a point.
You're talking about the new testament. The old testament stories have been written and re-written over hundreds of years and include myths of various local traditions, from Babylonian to Egyptian myths, we have far less an idea of who wrote the old testament compared with the new testament, and even the new testament is questionable
just because the OP was wrong about the bible being written by one man, this does not mean he does not know ANYTHING about religion altogether, therefore this refutes your claim that he is ignorant.
These people can't think for themselves. When I was being indoctrinated at primary school the teachers used to talk about Adam being the first man God made, Methuselah living to be 969 years old and the Red Sea parting and I used to think to myself "Isn't that just legends" but, no, the teachers taught it as if it was actual history. Without denying the metaphysical and spiritual dimension to the Universe to say that the Bible is the infallible word of God is a bit of a sweeping statement.
You know, I don't go to a faith school or anything, but yet I have been told by a girl in my class that I AM going to Hell for not being a creationist. And my Biology teacher had to apologise if she contradicted anyone's views when we studied Darwin in Biology. It's kinda annoying...
It reminds me of how hard it was for people to believe in germs, or that the earth is not flat. There have been slow-witted and dumb people all throughout history. Evolution is inescapably true.
The most recent theories suggest that another planet about the same size as Mars collided with earth sending debris into orbit which coalesced into the moon which is why you see both terrestrial and non terrestrial rocks on the moon.
"Owned?" You're not supposed to drink in charge of an aircraft by law! God did not command to avoid alcohol, even priests are allowed to drink. We don't need an invisible, omnipotent, omniscient eternal force that is consumed with distinctly human petty emotions to tell us that flying an aeroplane whilst drunk is a bad idea.
Nead I repeat on more time? Didn't Jesus still convert the water into wine? Yet you are saying wine is bad when you know that Jesus drank wine during his "Final Supper." Please, anything you say, i can find a contradiction.
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yes I have researched secular humanism and I think it is one of the most pathetic points of human life that i have ever heard (because there is none). For instance, with secular humanism there is NO morality. So why dont you answer to the statement I made below about being no right or wrong about morality.
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No, I do not believe that the only people that believe in evolution are atheists, although the majority are. Now do you believe in morality? Because if you do than where did it come from? And if you don't believe in morality than you don't believe in right or wrong. And I would say the majority of people that are having trouble psychologically are actually people that don's understand the purpose of life which equals Atheists/evolutionists.
this documentary is truly frightening
justjulie37 1 day ago
It's ridiculous to assume that with no God humans have no reason to have morals. I think basic morality is common sense - we all know what is 'wrong' simply because we know how we'd feel if someone hurt us - we have the capacity for sympathy and the ability to put ourselves in another's place, 'do unto others as we would have them do to us'. Children don't need to be taught religion to be brought up to respect and not harm others. I was brought up atheist but I still have a conscience.
IncurableNostalgic 2 weeks ago
I remember when I was 5 years old, I started questioning God, one evening at dinner I said "I don't understand God, I don't think it makes sense" and then I start asking questions about who created God and what existed before God, and I was 5, I believed in God, I just didn't think he made any sense, everyone just kept telling me "God knows all the answers, you don't need to know and you'll find out one day when God thinks you're ready". But I knew there was something very wrong with that.
DeadButBreathing 1 month ago
@ 3:40 WHY IS THIS CREEP LAUGHING ABOUT AIDS, RAPE AND PEDOPHILIA?
The72koenig 1 month ago
At 4:00, he's preaching that rape is wrong, even though (correct me if I'm wrong, it's been a long time since I've read up on religion) there are instances of rape in the bible?
So rape and pedophilia are wrong, but stoning someone to death is okay? :/
asiacitylove 2 months ago 3
@asiacitylove as far as I remember, ordered slaughter and rape (by god), pedophilia, incest, murder... and also ways to punish raped women.
Well, talk about contradiction!
Eniacbc 2 weeks ago
Correction: Religion falters because it makes it FAR TOO EASY to be immoral...
Ashiman12 3 months ago
The religious argument that you need faith to be moral might carry more weight if religious people themselves were more likely to be moral, when in fact the opposite seems to be the case (religious people more likely to commit crime, etc.) The thing is, there is no god. And at the end of the day, it's just us, individual humans, deciding whether to be moral or not. Religion falters, because it makes it far to be immoral and feel completely justified in it.
Ashiman12 3 months ago
I am an Atheist and i don't go around raping woman, stealing and killing. I hate when religious people use the argument of morality.
HectorL360 3 months ago 7
my buddy's nephew who's 8 punched me when i said i didn't believe in god lol
shaftyfingers 4 months ago 17
@shaftyfingers end him. or educate him, but the first sounds cool. after all, its what many religious people would have done to you.
virtuosochannel 2 months ago
i love that look Dawkins gets on his face, you guys know the look, that "Do I really live in a world with these morons?" look. The "Can they even hear anything I'm saying?" look.
thesearewarningsigns 4 months ago 4
Modern organized religion is nothing more than just another socio-political movement designed to control the weak and ignorant masses.
I refuse to accept their rules that try to tell me how I should live. Religion is indeed a dangerous and wicked virus…
DoctorAxe 5 months ago
Clearly dumbing down the population for the purposes of control. A smart populace is a danger to the ruling elite.
ThePositiveAussie 5 months ago
I love it. Religion is a disease, the antidote is rational thinking.
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MrMaryHalpin 7 months ago
My 8 year old cousin recently asked me why we can't just put all the people who don't believe in God on an island and BLOW IT UP! "Then everybody left will be a Christian."
*Facepalm*
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NellieBrown100 7 months ago
I can't believe what I hear 4:14 - "I think that all (!) people, if they think they can get away with s'thing will actually tend to do that"... did he ever put himself in a victim's shoe for an instant? it's so... so... horrible!
dyna88cui 7 months ago
@dyna88cui he's just a fundamentally immoral man trying to convince himself through fear of eternal damnation that he shouldn't do anything naughty. That doesn't prevent a ton of fundamentally immoral Catholic priests from raping children, but hey, at least they're trying.
flashysimon 7 months ago
@flashysimon I had the exact same thought about the priests.
OldBattlehorse 7 months ago
@dyna88cui I think one of the scariest things about that statement is what it actually says about the man saying it! If priests are all holy and close to god with their sacred rules and threat of eternal damnation and still committing crimes against humanity, then what is this man hiding in HIS closet?
OldBattlehorse 7 months ago
"i care about whats true, but i dont care about the answer" derp
ytrewQwerty 8 months ago
Goodness knows I'm no Derren Brown, and am inexpert in picking up on clues from behaviour or body language, but I sense that some of the believers who have a vested interest in disseminating their beliefs KNOW they're on indefensible grounds. They look and sound defensive to me. But the've got so much invested in their faith that they don't think they have the option to abandon it.
AussieEvonne 9 months ago
@AussieEvonne I agree. The more I watch these videos the more I'm shocked at how many times Richard Dawkins, and scientists in general, are accused of being arrogant. That offensive behavior is a mere symptom of their defensiveness over something indefensible.
OldBattlehorse 7 months ago
"I care about what's true too! Now here's what my faith tells me to believe..."
*facepalm*
Keiichi81 9 months ago
2:15
That look is priceless.
RoderichEdelstein727 9 months ago
If you don't care about the answer to the questions. Don't teach it.
9fram 9 months ago
is it weird that I just kept laughing when he said pedophilia weird.
and had to go back for the rest of the video after fifteen minutes of laughing XD
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NellieBrown100 9 months ago
This principal reminds me of strongly of David Brent
Ignattious 10 months ago
@Ignattious everyone says that lol,
im.....in my 30's lolol
highlanderdurp 9 months ago
secular educational systems impose their evolutionary ideology on children. This is brainwashing and child abuse. Any time you teach a child anything, you are necessarily teaching him based on what you yourself believe, and therefore it is an imposition of worldview, and by this logic, it is brain washing.
alaric1247 10 months ago
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redshark618 10 months ago
yes, im an atheist! so i go rape people, and are a pedophile becuase i dont have to answer to god... fuckhead -_-
uberandy666 10 months ago 3
fuck religion
DrMazgaN 11 months ago
i think the one thing we need to remember here is its the parents right and duty to pass on the heratage and/or religious philosophy to thier children in thier own way and time, if we change that we would then be in some scientific fascist state. sorry for spelling errors, peace :)
lucifer948 11 months ago
i remember the time when i was in my childhood, and im the inquisitive kind of toddler who questions everything about life and how things work,..but sadly i was brainwashed and provided with output from my catholic parents that God makes everything and God works in mysterious ways blah blah, i don't even remember the time on how i ended up with catholicism,.all because i was converted during infancy through baptism which i don't even have the choice to speak and reason to be a part of it or not
kevin080592 1 year ago
Evangelicals want us to Nuke each other. Then they can proclaim the wrath of god, and take us back into the dark ages.
Not2Sane 1 year ago
How is that man in the control of a school
skormz10 1 year ago
the baby is so cute :)
alternative10000 1 year ago
My biggest problem with using religion to instill morality is that it fosters the idea that doing bad things is only wrong because you will be punished.
I personally was raised in a secular household where the reason to not do bad things was because they are fundamentally wrong.
Children should be taught that murder is wrong, not that murder is wrong because you will be punished
DeMause 1 year ago
Dawkings take in note. If a parent tells their child Scientology and they're smart. When they grow up they can get rid of nonsense, all it needs is self control. But some people aren't smart enough to get control like sand monkeys (Muslims). I grew up super Catholic and became atheist. Because I always wanted to be a scientist and my life is dedicated to it. That's why I became atheist.
Atheism=For the thinking person.
lackrome 1 year ago
i went to a catholic high school for 2 years and i was ostracised for being a non-believer, contrary to being tolerant and accepting, i was bullied and humiliated by those so-called religious people.
yannypoo 1 year ago
@yannypoo
When I was 6 they sent me to Catholic school for 1 year and when I always knew and believed in evolution, I'm a scientist at heart and am dedicated to science. But I didn't know there was such thing as creationism even though I was highly religious. So when the teacher was talking about how everyone came from Adam and Eve I corrected her and said the truth (Evolution) and she got all pissed at me. I was 6! how was I supposed to know correcting the teacher would get expelled! I feel ya
lackrome 1 year ago
religion say: respekt faith and beliviers... I say as a athaist: respekt science.respect truth and i respect religion... :)
fattigbonddrang 1 year ago
Why did it take the lord our shepherd 7 days to create the world? Isnt he omnipotent? Could he not have done it in an instant?
alconaftika 1 year ago
@alconaftika
Don't forget the almighty god took 3 days to make the earth and 1 for the stars and cosmos. Thats like saying, it took you 3 hours to make a grain of sand and one hour to make an entire beach. That's yer logic there.
lackrome 1 year ago
i can't believe i survived from the brainwashing i received as a child, thank god..oh wait...thank science :)
TheMonkiAss 1 year ago
@TheMonkiAss
No don't thank science. Thank chance. LOL.
I'm going to make an atheist movement! And I'm going to try and destroy religion a good as I can!
lackrome 1 year ago
@lackrome I hope you stay true to that promise and good luck.
alternative10000 1 year ago
the part where dawkins was interviewing the psychologist brung back memories of when i was 4. it was around my birthday... and how my dad and some relatives said when i die if i make it into heaven, i could have what ever i wanted there. i remember some fear of the torchure and barbque but i really had to focus on the apparent joy of this never ending pleasure dome after death. and "how to get there"... now i look at it with a blunt in my hand... i laugh and say THE FUCK WERE THEY ON? haha
xBLOODBAFx 1 year ago
That principal Adrian Hawks in the ACE school is just the friendly face of blissful (harmful) ignorance.
ikkoikki 1 year ago
I used to think that people who started those schools were evil and should be thrown in jail, everyone told me they didnt deserve this and that i was some kind of racist.
I feelt that everyone wasw against me,
i have now realised that my asumption infact was correct, people who start this schools are infact evil, but its so accepted by society that if you question it you get all sort of labels on you,
its sick that torture is allowed without question even in a secular society..
unfad1ng 1 year ago
the guy burning in hell at 9:16 looks like T-f00t
collieh1 1 year ago
Dawkins is such a great observer.
Master8laster 1 year ago
Wtf is this kind of school? Ffs one of the thirst things I learned in science is a little thing called research methods... With these basic methods you have another little thing called hypothesis.... Does this kind of education mean we are now raising a generation of children who can send someone to the moon with the idea it will do fine because they 'assume' it will instead of calculating it? Are we gonna implement car wheels of which they assume wont snap? Medication they assume will work? Ffs
TTFLS 1 year ago
We must stop religion!!
darkwarrior1234 1 year ago
Poor Dawkins... having to put up with all this bull shit.
RottenNinja 1 year ago 2
@RottenNinja Poor Dawkins? Thank you Dawkins for giving our generation yet another voice ^^ Poor us for having so much work to be done ;)
TTFLS 1 year ago 2
just made a delicious sandwich
Wii60Fanb0y 1 year ago 15
every time i see these kinds of school i want to go postal because i lose all hope for the future of man kind
Calebmoyer 1 year ago
@Calebmoyer That's no reason to murder everybody.
vikeyev1 1 year ago
@vikeyev1 TRUE!! but it is a point of frustration for anyone who wants their kids brought up on rational thought
Calebmoyer 1 year ago
I think what's disturbing to many kids (and now grown-ups) is not the image of the hell itself, but the fact that it's their parents who told them those stories, because whatever told by a parent has always a very strong and violently emotional message. Parents today have a responsibility not to infect their children with their own bias (whether it's religious one or not).
yusukeshinyama 1 year ago
I took a social psychology class and a lady who was around 50 who was very religious was going on and on about the bystander effect and how illogical and ridiculous that people do not help others etc. She went on and on about it. I then asked her after class if she believed in human evolution which is a scientific fact and she said no that she is a good Christian and does not believe that. It is funny how people hold ridiculous myths and are so blind to that fact
MVT44 1 year ago 2
I've watched the entire Jill Mytton interview with Dawkins. She's such a beautiful person inside and out, and living proof of being able to escape the delusion.
visualkei72 1 year ago 2
@visualkei72 You have to be kidding. Beautiful outside? She's about as beautiful as Dawkins's tranny lover Mr. Garrison.
mr2bmr2b 1 year ago
I am a saddened by the fact that religious people on average have a much higher number of children which will mean that in the democratic world the balance of power will shift in their favor unless we can reach the next few generations of children of religious parents which we are currently failing at. How can we rational people intervene before the religious people take over and start WWIII?
karakzanreal 1 year ago 2
When we are small, we don't have any sense of right or wrong. However, our caretakers teach us to understand the difference between them. We learn empathy, the ability to share other people's feelings. So, we don't want to hurt other people because we can feel their pain. However, if you lack empathy and morals, and at the same time appearsocially "normal”, you are a psychopath.
Basically, what the man is saying is that if a believer loses his religious morals, he becomes a psychopath.
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niina88 1 year ago
Answer Dawkins's question!!!
Rape is wrong for PLENTY of other reasons, you idiot.
It's people like YOU who, if someone tells you there's not a God, you become a fumbling idiot, stealing and force-screwing everything and everyone around you. It proves you are the immoral ones.
If you can't be moral without a God making sure you're moral, you can't be moral. It's part of becoming a grown up.
chuFFisTwo 1 year ago 4
Sigh I wish people debating creationists and the religious would bone up on modern philosophy and ethics. A simple citing of John Rawls, Mills, even the libertarian Nozick can give several sources of nontheistic moral systems. (IMO Rawls is best)
No respectable ethicist of nearly the last 200 years has cited god as the source of morality, for most all of them know this was rationally torn asunder thousands of years ago in Socrates' Euthyphro. Instead we look to the nature of humankind itself.
tweaker1bms 1 year ago
I think hide-and-seek would be a good activity that we could encourage our young ones to participate in... Mainly because it might help them when it comes to finding their BRAINS later in life...
Alexkadjiro 1 year ago
Im so gonna make my kids become atheists.
FranzKarlWeber 1 year ago
@FranzKarlWeber
I don't think so much "make" my child anything. I would teach them the appropriate place of ideas. I would teach them about the history of all religions. I would teach them that none of it is based on observable mechanisms, that they were ideas the people came up with before science to explain things they didn't understand. I would help them to obtain the tools to think and choose for themselves and hope that they don't choose religion once they came of age.
Fabstaire 1 year ago 4
@Fabstaire
basically, I would hope to have done such a good job of introducing them to the tools of reason that they would logically choose the life of a curious humanist instead of closing their minds inside superstition and the sublimation of reason.
Fabstaire 1 year ago
@Fabstaire exactly, and in my opinion every child that gets to chose will become an atheist. That`s the reason why there is noone believing in the world of Harry Potter, because it is presented to the children as it is, man made fiction. Just like religion. If we would all stop to indoctrinate our kids with the religious bullshit we were indoctrinated with by our parents, the world would be a much better place.
FranzKarlWeber 1 year ago 2
@FranzKarlWeber
Wish it could be. The realist in me, looking back on our history, knows this will never happen; maybe a few million years down the line if we are still a species.
Fabstaire 1 year ago
Religion is garbage. We need to stop being so polite and accepting of it. I personally cannot be good friends with someone who is into religion, and quite frankly if religion comes up I do not hold my tongue, I tell these delusional shits exactly how I feel...
kidballistic 1 year ago 2
@kidballistic
Hahaha I totally agree with you, but I'm a bit more subtle in my approach. I can't help but to think that's the dose of reality this world needs. A good slap in the face of all those delusional nut jobs. Indoctrination of children into religion should be a crime!
jmlew 1 year ago
The segment with the leader of the British christian school makes me think of Richard Dawkins interviewing David Brent.
lcorinth 1 year ago
Hell is the most psychotic thing I can think of. The concept disturbs me greatly. It's amazing it still has that affect on me.
JohnnieNaked 1 year ago
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"I'm an atheist with respect to the Judeo-Christian God, because there is not a shred of EVIDENCE in favor of the Judeo-Christian God."
~ Richard Dawkins
...Dawkins, that's because you have not visited my channel.
Eye2EyeIIIV 2 years ago
@Eye2EyeIIIV
I have not seen your videos, but I'll let you know, people have been trying to prove said god for centuries, and I doubt a youtube whippersnapper will be able to do when the brightest minds in history failed to do so.
Cosmological argument much? ;3
Bleachfanoftheyear 2 years ago
And god said :"love thy neighbor as thyself as long as he goes to the same church as you, doesn't question what I say, and isn't gay, a woman, or mentally ill, otherwise kill him or her"
That about sums it up I think.
GaiusIuliusTaberna 2 years ago 151
@GaiusIuliusTaberna You forgot non-whites. Don't forget that they were turned dark by god for a reason!
infectingthecrypts 2 years ago
@infectingthecrypts I hope you are trolling. Anyone currently in the north, if no population or races intertwined, would be white within the next 10,000 years. It all has to do with a certain type of enzyme that makes your skin such.
JuniorDExchangecore 1 year ago
@JuniorDExchangecore Not trolling... Just joking. Early on in the european slave trade, the bible was used to justify enslaving Africans (I think Noah's son was turned dark because he laughed at Noah's nakedness or something) and I was just making fun of that. See who I was replying to for context.
infectingthecrypts 1 year ago
Pretty much!
ijjicoins 1 year ago
@GaiusIuliusTaberna But how can we trust people who are ill in any way, they are possessed by demons, why would I trust a demon?
vikeyev1 1 year ago
@GaiusIuliusTaberna Well-said!
communityschannel 7 months ago
@communityschannel thank you, its refreshing to get agreeable comments on youtube...
GaiusIuliusTaberna 7 months ago
religous indoctrination of children is brain washing child abuse...religionists ask us atheists to respect their beliefs etc..but why should i stay silent when that very religion shapes government policy,sends countries into wars,spreads hiv in africa and creates an army of brainwashed toddler fanatics?????
etaatbeta 2 years ago 167
@etaatbeta Good for you. Why should we respect their beliefs when they don't respect our non-beliefs.
ToudaHell 1 year ago
I am from the UK and an Anglican and I have NO PROBLEM with people (especially Jews) having the right to teach their children the way they want
I have met some Hassidic Jews from that section of London that Dawkins has made to look so hideous in this biased programme. They are fair minded, decent, law abiding people. I am sure they would be offended by they way they were portrayed in this show
I think Dawkins and you should be made to visit to North Korea for a lesson in Tolerance and Respect
IanWaters42 1 year ago
@IanWaters42 what Hitler was a Christian, he did a great job :)
Dogmeat1950 10 months ago
good thing most non-religious people don't share this mans approach to disagreement. I'm afraid of religion but am not trying to start blemishing peoples lives and families any slanderous labels. I kinda hope his kids grow up and choose to be fundamentalists. Philosophy can be formidable. and religion can be very miniscule in peoples lives by comparison.
eichael09 2 years ago
The fact that children are indoctrinated with this nonsense, are given what they want when they scream and hit, and are abused and neglected after being dumped in daycare everyday, is why most people today are so fat, stupid, ignorant and mean. I have little faith in humanity anymore.
CanadiaNecro1 2 years ago 2
I am Canadian. I attended the Catholic school system, which in my province of Ontario is funded by the government and exists on par with secular public schools.
The irony is that because this school system is publicly funded, it is pretty much a mainstreem class system which has a mandatory religion class.
ISDP1337 2 years ago
I find it interesting that Mr. Hawkes' reason for not stealing, murdering, etc, is avoiding a dire consequence - nothing to do with whether it is right or wrong. I say this as an addition to what Winterdenni and Phantomofmyopera say below.
doo0O0oo0O0oob 2 years ago
My sister wants to send her kid to All Saints catholic school in York, she says that kids do better at catholic schools and that but I think it's a really shit idear.
So are faith schools the same as catholic schools? and will my nephew have to learn all that shit about aids coming from sin and all that other catholic shit? If anyone knows for sure then reply please.
Spoonful18 2 years ago
I went to Catholic school a while back. About the only advantage I can see is that the average class size was smaller. Maybe some would think the expensive tuition keeping poor kids out was good, too.
We learned a lot of "other Catholic shit" like transubstantiation, contraception being a sin, the Pope being infallible (when speaking ex cathedra), but I never did hear that AIDS came from sin.
I did hear a classmate say we should kill all homosexuals without the teacher correcting her, though.
smallpanic 2 years ago
Did they tell you all that in a science classroom?
Spoonful18 2 years ago
This was twenty years ago in a progressive part of the US. I honestly have no idea what it looks like now, especially since the area now has a very old school bishop.
The contraception bit happened in a health class, which was a required part of the "science curriculum".
The rest happened in religion classes (which were required). The murder remark occurred in a morality class.
I was luckier than the kids in the faith schools shown above. For me, church and state were kept mostly separate.
smallpanic 2 years ago
Still, twelve years of indoctrination in those required, if separate classes, have left me with enough poor thought processes and gaps in knowledge to cause a number of problems that still get in the way of my development twenty years later. Problems that my Protestant-raised, secularly-schooled friends don't have (A poor bit of evidence, I know).
Calling religious ideas "science" is horrific, but teaching these ideas to kids as truth under any circumstances can still be destructive.
smallpanic 2 years ago
I have been in a catholic primary school and a catholic secondary school. Can I just say that faith schools in my area are a lot more successful than non faith schools part of my parents reason to send me there. Currently I am a complete atheist, and due to my family not being religious I have experienced in part some segregation there, some children always questioned if i wasn't religious why was I there? Also I was left out a lot when doing holy communion.
Dave25892 2 years ago
however religion isn't in every part of the school. of course there are masses and hyms. and also i experienced nightmares and extreme anxiety when i was young about the idea of hell! it pretty much screwed me up a little bit. also i was indoctrinated to be religious before i even understood what it all was, make sure you tell the child your version that u go to heaven and god is all loving, leave the nasty bits out and then they will not believe as they grow up like santa!
Dave25892 2 years ago
@Dave25892
"Religion out of the schools?"
It's still in there!
Eye2EyeIIIV 2 years ago
@Eye2EyeIIIV There is nothing wrong with teaching religion in schools, as long they are kept out of science class.
Ko252 1 year ago 2
@Ko252 no school is for school.. church is for church.. period
ThatHookahGuy 1 year ago
@ThatHookahGuy So you think knowledge about different religions dont belong in school?
Ko252 1 year ago
@Ko252 Maybe in a cultural history class about all traditions and mythology and modern religions yes. In that case maybe.. But to mix science classes with religion no.. Science is fact based and religion is faith based.. they need to be separated in schools. You would learn about evolutionary biology in science and intelligent design in cultural history..In my opinion
ThatHookahGuy 1 year ago
@ThatHookahGuy That is what I wrote in my first comment.
Ko252 1 year ago
@Ko252 only if its a choice to take that class.. then maybe thats it.. I understood what you meant after I wrote the first comment..
ThatHookahGuy 1 year ago
@ThatHookahGuy I live in one of the most atheistic country in the world, where the far majority is atheists. Even we have obligate education about different religions. I dont think it is necessary to have a faith, but it is necessary to have a general knowledge about the religions and different faiths. Why? So one faith wouldnt have the advantage of the history in that particular area, and you can understand better what people with faith believe in.
Ko252 1 year ago 4
@Ko252 which country is that sorry i am only in 8th grade and my skewl only focases on religions i go to a public skewl and they dont teach atheism
23emoboy23 1 year ago
@23emoboy23 Norway, in Scandinavia, near Sweden.
Ko252 1 year ago
@23emoboy23
There's no such thing as teaching "atheism". Atheism will show itself as a counterargument to religion as logic and rational thought. Religion supposedly is a guideline for our entire lives. Do you want to go on believing without questioning what it is that you're following?
jmlew 1 year ago
Christianity is an infestation of disillusioned, clouded, obfuscated mind fallacies.
johntkucz 2 years ago 5
Replace the word 'christianity' with 'religion' and your statement would seem more bold.
blahblahhuh1 2 years ago 5
i FAAAAUND JAAAAYYYZAAASSS, DAAAAHHHNN BAAA DA REEEVAAAA.
I bet if like me ur an atheist looking at this thinking 'what the fuck can we do when there's so many monkeys like this in the world, u may be realising what a difficult job we got on our hands
nigispangy 2 years ago 5
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you know it is curious that even with their
faces blured i could easily recognise
them in the street
alordlord 2 years ago
My friend(not anymore of course) believes in rapture. And while walking home He asked me what I believe. I responded by telling him I beleve the ancient Greeks as much as I believe in the bible. This somehow prompted him to say "Wow, have fun burning in hell."Searching for a witty comeback in my head, I eventually decided upon "See you there." I don't think he caught what I was really trying to say, people like him unknowingly condemn themselves to this hell by acting in such a way.
TheK00laid47 2 years ago 12
6.55 fixie!
abcrumb 2 years ago
I think it's ironic that the guy uses rape & pedophilia as examples of things that are only wrong because there's a 'law giver' in the sky, when neither of those things is forbidden in the bible!
Winterdenni 2 years ago 9
It's also interesting that he pretty much thinks we would all be raping people and touching little children if there was no god to tell us that it's wrong. Makes you wonder what his idea of temptation is. Also I want to point out something Dawkins brings up in The god delusion; if you don't rape and murder because god tells you it's wrong and you simply listen to him that doesn't mean you have great moral values, it just means you're obedient.
phantomofmyopera 2 years ago 3
I think what Dawkins is trying to say, is that christian girls can be very pretty..
superjimmyjimmy 2 years ago
They're also sexually repressed, which makes them very hot in bed.
snackynak 2 years ago 2
Calling that place a "school" is giving it far more credit than it deserves. Why the hell are places like this allowed to operate?
MrCommentingisfun 2 years ago 5
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Digideus 2 years ago 5
Adrian Hawk must have an appalling, insulting and degrading opinion of humanity to say that without god's laws, every person will simply do as they please including rape and paedophilia. That is so sick. Why do people like him always trot out the worst of the worst of humanity to justify why everyone should submit to their particular beliefs? Why are these so called christians so filthy minded?
whatever000whenever 2 years ago 2
bring on the objectivism
DavidsIllustrations 2 years ago
Adrian Hawks reminds me of that bugger Ted Haggard. Who in their right mind would leave children in the care oif this guy?
FLUSEM666 2 years ago
Religiously inspired terror?
divinacomedias 2 years ago
Sounds like religious flip flopping to me. Making up stuff that isn't even in the bible and passing it off as word, ie rapture, marys ascension
JdKennedy88 2 years ago
still thats bad (guy below me)
and look up Emmanuel college in Gateshead
dunndudebemelol 2 years ago
I go to a Catholic university and it isnt too bad except that we cannot have a rational debate over major issues if one side is diametrically opposed to the Catholic dogma. This makes organizing guest lecturers tricky. I got a congressman to come and thoguht I would get an earful over his mention of abortion rights and gay marriage. Luckily, I guess no one reported it.
CBUEngineer 2 years ago
I've always felt that the saying of the Jesuits "Give me the child until he is seven years old and I'll show you the man" sounded sinister and like a mandate for child abuse.
Cool2BCeltic 2 years ago 8
agreed
cr1tterp0wer 2 years ago
hi, i visited an ace school too.1st of all, ace schools are crap, the stuff they teach you are crap. 2nd you cant really start things with a ace diploma internatinally, you get laughed at when you show your diploma. i am thankfull for ppl like mr. dawkins who make documentaries like this to open the ppls eyes.
tobymity01 2 years ago 6
It annoys me when people say the Bible is the word of God when it has been proved that the Bible was written by some dude 2000 or more years ago.
Also, if God can do anything, why did he make it in 7 days why not in a second?
Clarebobxxxx 2 years ago 3
I am against Religion, but when people, like you(usually atheists), make false statements, i just have to respond. The Bible wasn't written by one man(this proves you don't know anything about Religion), but it was wrriten by men. It was a commitee that put it together and decided which books belonged. And usually the Christian response to why God did it in those days is to show his handiwork? But you do have a point.
anime1217 2 years ago
You're talking about the new testament. The old testament stories have been written and re-written over hundreds of years and include myths of various local traditions, from Babylonian to Egyptian myths, we have far less an idea of who wrote the old testament compared with the new testament, and even the new testament is questionable
WalrusBoyWonder 2 years ago 3
You lie here.
Clare... said some, not one.
Religion is not only christianity.
I bet you are christian, despite what you say.
gagnashdiak 2 years ago
just because the OP was wrong about the bible being written by one man, this does not mean he does not know ANYTHING about religion altogether, therefore this refutes your claim that he is ignorant.
snuffaluffagus89 2 years ago
These people can't think for themselves. When I was being indoctrinated at primary school the teachers used to talk about Adam being the first man God made, Methuselah living to be 969 years old and the Red Sea parting and I used to think to myself "Isn't that just legends" but, no, the teachers taught it as if it was actual history. Without denying the metaphysical and spiritual dimension to the Universe to say that the Bible is the infallible word of God is a bit of a sweeping statement.
Cool2BCeltic 2 years ago 2
You know, I don't go to a faith school or anything, but yet I have been told by a girl in my class that I AM going to Hell for not being a creationist. And my Biology teacher had to apologise if she contradicted anyone's views when we studied Darwin in Biology. It's kinda annoying...
mzrebel 2 years ago
It reminds me of how hard it was for people to believe in germs, or that the earth is not flat. There have been slow-witted and dumb people all throughout history. Evolution is inescapably true.
ManDudeYeah 2 years ago 5
religion + school has to be the biggest oxymoron ever... That's like myopia + knowledge. wtf is that?
ManDudeYeah 2 years ago 2
Agreed!
tool2342 2 years ago
Fawkes "Well i care about whats true!"
Dawkins "yes..."
LeFleegg 2 years ago
O M G . this is technicly child abuse (crappy speller)
toloverufan2 2 years ago
That Adrian Fawkes guy is one ugly bastard. He looks like Sloth from The Goonies. And he's a Christian. Poor bastard.
MrRichardDawkins 2 years ago
He looks like some actor... Idk but it's going to bug me now.
AtheistArgument 2 years ago
the moon coming off the earth is actually very possible
IanMacEoin 2 years ago
you mean when in early years of earth asteroid and hit it creating our moon ? ;p
DragOzze 2 years ago
well yeah man it hardly just fell off
IanMacEoin 2 years ago
The most recent theories suggest that another planet about the same size as Mars collided with earth sending debris into orbit which coalesced into the moon which is why you see both terrestrial and non terrestrial rocks on the moon.
beeejay2 2 years ago 2
when was the last time someone who wasnt relgious crashed a plane into a building blew them selves up
battleboy45 2 years ago
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J2124123 2 years ago
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youre not drunk at the controls by accident..it comes from disobeying god's commandment to avoid alchohol. owned
kamalgilkesk 2 years ago
"Owned?" You're not supposed to drink in charge of an aircraft by law! God did not command to avoid alcohol, even priests are allowed to drink. We don't need an invisible, omnipotent, omniscient eternal force that is consumed with distinctly human petty emotions to tell us that flying an aeroplane whilst drunk is a bad idea.
J2124123 2 years ago 5
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yeah but people break laws like drink driving all the time. that is proof that true fear of god's punishment is conducive
kamalgilkesk 2 years ago
And so Jesus turned the water into wine. Hmmm, contradiction!!!!
tebinthehouse 2 years ago 2
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Proverbs 20:1
Wine is a mocker and beer a brawler; whoever is led astray by them is not wise.
Proverbs 23:31-32
Do not gaze at wine when it is red, when it sparkles in the cup, when it goes down smoothly!
In the end it bites like a snake and poisons like a viper.
Romans 14:21
It is better not to eat meat or drink wine or to do anything else that will cause your brother to fall.
obviously drinking is bad cos of the possibility of leading to drunkenness. owned
kamalgilkesk 2 years ago
Nead I repeat on more time? Didn't Jesus still convert the water into wine? Yet you are saying wine is bad when you know that Jesus drank wine during his "Final Supper." Please, anything you say, i can find a contradiction.
tebinthehouse 2 years ago 8
Water into wine. If Jesus was a real person I'm sure he drank why do the religious always have a lack of knowledge of their own holy texts?
Loadmeup101 2 years ago
idont think he is well meaning.
Doversreturn 2 years ago
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yes I have researched secular humanism and I think it is one of the most pathetic points of human life that i have ever heard (because there is none). For instance, with secular humanism there is NO morality. So why dont you answer to the statement I made below about being no right or wrong about morality.
wyetf 2 years ago
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No, I do not believe that the only people that believe in evolution are atheists, although the majority are. Now do you believe in morality? Because if you do than where did it come from? And if you don't believe in morality than you don't believe in right or wrong. And I would say the majority of people that are having trouble psychologically are actually people that don's understand the purpose of life which equals Atheists/evolutionists.
wyetf 2 years ago
Research secular humanism. Don't be a dumbass.
DillyDallyJac 2 years ago 3