@joshuacarmona These are the same people who don't have a clue above an oyster regarding any notions of human decency, kindness, consideration, let alone anything uttered by the Prince of Peace in the Sermon on the Mount: Blessed are the meek, blessed are the peacemakers...
My grandmother had Parkinson's, and I can say that I think there are very few diseases as debilitating as it. For some protesters to "confront"/attack a person with it, I think, is shameful.
Yeah I bet they all say they are Christians too go figure heh...I would have totally defended that guy from the mob mentality...the man might have even been a veteran...would you treat a veteran like that? But that doesn't even touch the issue...why would anyone treat another human being like that ya know? Great commentary on the situation though man..
In principle, individual responsiblity, free market.. etc etc..
In reality, schizophrenia, bi-polar disorder, etc etc. Come to mind..
I just hope that technology and such will get to the point that sooner or later this will become a non issue.. that medical care would be just that inexpensive..
No one debates whether or not the government should pay for your water..
I completely agree that the guys were patronizing and overall just aggressively stupid.
However, to you, TXatheist, I completely disagree that government is required for social services like say roads. What good reason do you have to say that a free market couldn't produce roads?
@Bluedragon094 Private industry could provide everything if we had to and if you can afford it you get it, fire, police, roads, schools, military and those that can't afford it are imprisoned for using them if they don't pay. All poor people would be locked up but you are right the free market can produce and the well often enough can use them. In your scenario kids born to poor parents would not get to go to school.
"and those that can't afford it are imprisoned for using them if they don't pay."
Not true. You assume the prices would be high and furthermore assume that all of a sudden systems like credit would be a thing of the past. Why couldn't you work out a payment plan?
Why wouldn't there be schools available to the poor? That ignores volunteers or the fact that it would a viable market assuming the poor wanted to go to school.
@Bluedragon094 I did not presume road fees would be high. You could work out a payment plan and the poor simply wouldn't have the money and either do jail time because they can't pay. The poor couldn't afford school. I have a teacher friend at an all hispanic school, most kids have non-english speaking parents and have 3 + kids who can barely afford a 1 or two bedroom apt. The poor don't want to go to school?? It's you that is naive with your assumptions.
No, it's very obvious it is you with the assumptions.
You don't realize that there might not even be a road fee. Roads can be a contracted commission by a community of people who think a new road is worth it, that or upkeeping old roads.
Now you're erecting straw-men, just like the creationists do, let me make my case.
I say, "assuming the poor wanted to go to school," because there's always going to be a percentage of people that simply don't want to go to school... (cont.)
(cont.) ... and granted that's not necessarily going to be just the poor people, there will be well to do folks that don't want to go to school either, but the topic at hand was talking about poor people, so I said assuming they wanted to go to school. There are going to be people who want to just get into the work force.
That in no way implied that the entire population of poor people didn't want to go to school, which is what you said, "The poor don't want to go to school?"
You just zeroed in on key words of "poor, people, if they want to go to school," very similar to the second I mention the "theory of evolution" a creationist just sees the word "theory" and thinks, "Oh it's just a theory".
Now to be crystal clear, I'm not saying my political/economic ideas are on equal footing as the evidence for evolution, but I do think you have some unfair preconceived notions.
I don't understand how you could jump to the conclusions that you are.
@Bluedragon094 I think you are naive if you think it's best to let the middle class and rich get more public/gov't programs because in the free market that is who can afford it and the poor get screwed including kids who have no ability to change the fact their parents are poor. My conclusion is simple, many people are greedy and that's why I favor socialism over capitalism for public service programs.
Are you fucking kidding me? WHERE IN ANY OF MY POSTS DID I SAY I WANTED THE RICH AND MIDDLE CLASS TO GET MORE GOV'T PROGRAMS?!
I'm an anarcho-capitalist.
Here, let me spell out what I think before you continue because I think you think I'm a republican, when I very certainly am not, hell I'm also an atheist to boot.
Big business and the gov't are in an unholy union together. Simply put, you can't trust either of them.
Big business sends in their cronies to the... (cont.)
... white house to influence legislation in their favor so they can gain more market share and get richer. The politicians that vote for them get "bonuses" and re-elected since they have the campaign funds to actually be put in the lime light, which is why you hardly ever see anyone in the libertarian, green, etc. party in the media, that and because they'd stir shit up to say the least.
It means that "capitalist" programs aren't going to work because none of the businesses have enough competition to keep them in check.
Socialist programs aren't going to work because they're always going to be "corrupted" in process.
Think about it for a second. What motivation do people in welfare actually have to solve the problem of poverty? They'd be OUT OF A JOB and a career if they actually succeeded, and that's just one criticism I have of bureaus.
The criticism i levied against you wasn't simply that you were making assumptions but that you're making UNFAIR assumptions.
I say the word "capitalism" and automatically you jumped to the conclusion that the poor wouldn't be able to use roads out of NOWHERE. This is why I compared your political criticisms to that of creationist criticisms on evolution.
@Bluedragon094 part 2. They built 183A from nw Austin to Leander, TX and they don't have manned toll booths and the rate of not paying users is a problem. They fine them, they bill them and now they are at the point they are considering waving the fines and fees because collection is so hard. We can agree to disagree that I don't think private industry can be trusted to provide basic general welfare services because profit before people is their mindset.
@Bluedragon094 No, it's you again and now in denial. Gee, a group of people decide to build a road? Just like now where all taxpayers chip in? Or if the group of people are poor they can decide they get a single lane dirt road cause that's all they can afford? Many kids don't want to go to school at some time but not understanding the importance of an education is not their fault because they are minors.
Yeah a community could decide to chip in money if they felt the necessity for a road to be built, but it'd be under their discretion, unlike with tax money, which is not at their discretion. It's plainly obvious it's not the same.
What about charity? What about pooling together? You have this misconceived notion that somehow poor people are poorer in a capitalist society which isn't true at all. (cont.)
@Bluedragon094 Blue, we are not going to agree on this except to note I trust corporations/business much less than unions and progressive politicians. Many poor people right now would love to send their kids to a private school but can't afford it. They aren't paying hardly anything in income taxes, just sales tax. In Austin, TX they built 3 toll roads which are FOREIGN run even though 98% of the area was against toll roads. Who uses the roads? The middle and well off. cont...
Hell the poor in our corporatist society that we live in did MUCH better than any of the poor did in say soviet russia. You could point to the social programs we have here today to account for that, but even then I have to go, "Really?" because what do you think soviet russia had for the poor, but social programs? What's worse, is you think we live in a captialist society when we don't, it's corporatist, there is a very distinct difference.
rock on! Especially in college I did a lot of protesting, I was even part of the protest against Sarah Palin coming to my campus (sarah palin who''s security and supporters blocked buildings so students ended up being LATE to their classes). Someone has to stand up and face these people, offer the other side. Every time I see the footage of Letcher I want to stand up behind him and tell those people to back off.
That guy with Parkinsons is Robert Letcher, a nuclear engineer, he designed power plants and lectured at colleges, and those assholes are accusing him of not working? What a joke.
@WizardJim yea see I was thinking what if this man was a veteran? what if this man was their kin I bet they wouldn't be mocking him then...the man is brilliant and well you can always count on the multitude of fools to bring the smart down...
Aren't these the same people that follow the prince of peace?
joshuacarmona 1 year ago
@joshuacarmona These are the same people who don't have a clue above an oyster regarding any notions of human decency, kindness, consideration, let alone anything uttered by the Prince of Peace in the Sermon on the Mount: Blessed are the meek, blessed are the peacemakers...
Cyallaire 4 months ago
A guy with parkinson's is not the same as these lazy beggers on the street. I didn't see that guy ask for anything.
connerjd 1 year ago
@connerjd
Beggers?
Those conservatives are ass holes, rich ass bitches who would rather see a child die than help.
DSD1v57BG32 1 year ago
My grandmother had Parkinson's, and I can say that I think there are very few diseases as debilitating as it. For some protesters to "confront"/attack a person with it, I think, is shameful.
Thanks for the uploads! Keep 'em coming!
wigaz 1 year ago
Yeah I bet they all say they are Christians too go figure heh...I would have totally defended that guy from the mob mentality...the man might have even been a veteran...would you treat a veteran like that? But that doesn't even touch the issue...why would anyone treat another human being like that ya know? Great commentary on the situation though man..
Moeman774746 1 year ago
I am split on issues like these..
In principle, individual responsiblity, free market.. etc etc..
In reality, schizophrenia, bi-polar disorder, etc etc. Come to mind..
I just hope that technology and such will get to the point that sooner or later this will become a non issue.. that medical care would be just that inexpensive..
No one debates whether or not the government should pay for your water..
thefakeyeti 1 year ago
So people are rich because they work for everything they get? I didn't know that Paris Hilton worked so much harder than the average hotel maid.
cavejourney 1 year ago
I completely agree that the guys were patronizing and overall just aggressively stupid.
However, to you, TXatheist, I completely disagree that government is required for social services like say roads. What good reason do you have to say that a free market couldn't produce roads?
Bluedragon094 1 year ago
@Bluedragon094 Private industry could provide everything if we had to and if you can afford it you get it, fire, police, roads, schools, military and those that can't afford it are imprisoned for using them if they don't pay. All poor people would be locked up but you are right the free market can produce and the well often enough can use them. In your scenario kids born to poor parents would not get to go to school.
TXatheist 1 year ago
@TXatheist
"and those that can't afford it are imprisoned for using them if they don't pay."
Not true. You assume the prices would be high and furthermore assume that all of a sudden systems like credit would be a thing of the past. Why couldn't you work out a payment plan?
Why wouldn't there be schools available to the poor? That ignores volunteers or the fact that it would a viable market assuming the poor wanted to go to school.
You make a lot of unfounded assumptions.
Bluedragon094 1 year ago
@Bluedragon094 I did not presume road fees would be high. You could work out a payment plan and the poor simply wouldn't have the money and either do jail time because they can't pay. The poor couldn't afford school. I have a teacher friend at an all hispanic school, most kids have non-english speaking parents and have 3 + kids who can barely afford a 1 or two bedroom apt. The poor don't want to go to school?? It's you that is naive with your assumptions.
TXatheist 1 year ago
@TXatheist
No, it's very obvious it is you with the assumptions.
You don't realize that there might not even be a road fee. Roads can be a contracted commission by a community of people who think a new road is worth it, that or upkeeping old roads.
Now you're erecting straw-men, just like the creationists do, let me make my case.
I say, "assuming the poor wanted to go to school," because there's always going to be a percentage of people that simply don't want to go to school... (cont.)
Bluedragon094 1 year ago
(cont.) ... and granted that's not necessarily going to be just the poor people, there will be well to do folks that don't want to go to school either, but the topic at hand was talking about poor people, so I said assuming they wanted to go to school. There are going to be people who want to just get into the work force.
That in no way implied that the entire population of poor people didn't want to go to school, which is what you said, "The poor don't want to go to school?"
(cont.)
Bluedragon094 1 year ago
(cont.)
You just zeroed in on key words of "poor, people, if they want to go to school," very similar to the second I mention the "theory of evolution" a creationist just sees the word "theory" and thinks, "Oh it's just a theory".
Now to be crystal clear, I'm not saying my political/economic ideas are on equal footing as the evidence for evolution, but I do think you have some unfair preconceived notions.
I don't understand how you could jump to the conclusions that you are.
Bluedragon094 1 year ago
@Bluedragon094 I think you are naive if you think it's best to let the middle class and rich get more public/gov't programs because in the free market that is who can afford it and the poor get screwed including kids who have no ability to change the fact their parents are poor. My conclusion is simple, many people are greedy and that's why I favor socialism over capitalism for public service programs.
TXatheist 1 year ago
@TXatheist
Are you fucking kidding me? WHERE IN ANY OF MY POSTS DID I SAY I WANTED THE RICH AND MIDDLE CLASS TO GET MORE GOV'T PROGRAMS?!
I'm an anarcho-capitalist.
Here, let me spell out what I think before you continue because I think you think I'm a republican, when I very certainly am not, hell I'm also an atheist to boot.
Big business and the gov't are in an unholy union together. Simply put, you can't trust either of them.
Big business sends in their cronies to the... (cont.)
Bluedragon094 1 year ago
@TXatheist (cont.2)
... white house to influence legislation in their favor so they can gain more market share and get richer. The politicians that vote for them get "bonuses" and re-elected since they have the campaign funds to actually be put in the lime light, which is why you hardly ever see anyone in the libertarian, green, etc. party in the media, that and because they'd stir shit up to say the least.
What does this all mean according to me? (cont.)
Bluedragon094 1 year ago
@TXatheist (cont.3)
It means that "capitalist" programs aren't going to work because none of the businesses have enough competition to keep them in check.
Socialist programs aren't going to work because they're always going to be "corrupted" in process.
Think about it for a second. What motivation do people in welfare actually have to solve the problem of poverty? They'd be OUT OF A JOB and a career if they actually succeeded, and that's just one criticism I have of bureaus.
Bluedragon094 1 year ago
@Bluedragon094 Irony? "ASSUMING they wanted to go to school? " See, you make assumptions like I said.
TXatheist 1 year ago
@TXatheist
Way to play semantics.
The criticism i levied against you wasn't simply that you were making assumptions but that you're making UNFAIR assumptions.
I say the word "capitalism" and automatically you jumped to the conclusion that the poor wouldn't be able to use roads out of NOWHERE. This is why I compared your political criticisms to that of creationist criticisms on evolution.
Semantics, Straw men, and etc. What's next?
Bluedragon094 1 year ago
@Bluedragon094 part 2. They built 183A from nw Austin to Leander, TX and they don't have manned toll booths and the rate of not paying users is a problem. They fine them, they bill them and now they are at the point they are considering waving the fines and fees because collection is so hard. We can agree to disagree that I don't think private industry can be trusted to provide basic general welfare services because profit before people is their mindset.
TXatheist 1 year ago
@Bluedragon094 No, it's you again and now in denial. Gee, a group of people decide to build a road? Just like now where all taxpayers chip in? Or if the group of people are poor they can decide they get a single lane dirt road cause that's all they can afford? Many kids don't want to go to school at some time but not understanding the importance of an education is not their fault because they are minors.
TXatheist 1 year ago
@TXatheist
OMG, dude... where to begin?
Yeah a community could decide to chip in money if they felt the necessity for a road to be built, but it'd be under their discretion, unlike with tax money, which is not at their discretion. It's plainly obvious it's not the same.
What about charity? What about pooling together? You have this misconceived notion that somehow poor people are poorer in a capitalist society which isn't true at all. (cont.)
Bluedragon094 1 year ago
@Bluedragon094 Blue, we are not going to agree on this except to note I trust corporations/business much less than unions and progressive politicians. Many poor people right now would love to send their kids to a private school but can't afford it. They aren't paying hardly anything in income taxes, just sales tax. In Austin, TX they built 3 toll roads which are FOREIGN run even though 98% of the area was against toll roads. Who uses the roads? The middle and well off. cont...
TXatheist 1 year ago
@TXatheist (cont.2)
Hell the poor in our corporatist society that we live in did MUCH better than any of the poor did in say soviet russia. You could point to the social programs we have here today to account for that, but even then I have to go, "Really?" because what do you think soviet russia had for the poor, but social programs? What's worse, is you think we live in a captialist society when we don't, it's corporatist, there is a very distinct difference.
Bluedragon094 1 year ago
Wow man, that's bad. like... WOW
NTorris 1 year ago
rock on! Especially in college I did a lot of protesting, I was even part of the protest against Sarah Palin coming to my campus (sarah palin who''s security and supporters blocked buildings so students ended up being LATE to their classes). Someone has to stand up and face these people, offer the other side. Every time I see the footage of Letcher I want to stand up behind him and tell those people to back off.
RavenBlaze 1 year ago
That guy with Parkinsons is Robert Letcher, a nuclear engineer, he designed power plants and lectured at colleges, and those assholes are accusing him of not working? What a joke.
WizardJim 1 year ago 6
@WizardJim yea see I was thinking what if this man was a veteran? what if this man was their kin I bet they wouldn't be mocking him then...the man is brilliant and well you can always count on the multitude of fools to bring the smart down...
Moeman774746 1 year ago
@WizardJim Thanks for providing his name.
TXatheist 1 year ago