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  • Of course women don't want someone like DWAYNE HOLLOWAY .they want someone with money you dumb-ass's. Question for the guy in the video. Does your beard grow in all white trashy like that by itself or do you have to work on it?

  • Well put. It's all logical... but the guys in TFL have no sense of logic. They are delusional. Even the very basic idea that: " If a morbidly obese guy refuses to take care of himself, how could he expect a woman to believe this sickly guy will take care of a girlfriend"? One must, at least, appear to be a benefit to a woman, and not a burden.

  • A consideration you must consider is that not that long ago, heavier women and men were considered beautiful and were sought out. The reason for this has to do with survival. Those who were heavy were sending the message that they had LOTS of food and were successful at survival. You must be careful when you speak in evolutionary terms precisely because our environments change and we change. What was good back then is not good now as I've shown.

  • @DianaBoston You're confused. There's a difference between aesthetic preferences & evolutionary progressions. But most of all, you're confusing instinctive attraction with modern-periodical attraction. Yes, there was a time when heavyness was a sign of prosperity. But broad shoulders on a man & ample hips on a woman were, are & always will be instinctly attractive because they are signs of muscular ability (the harder you can swing a club, the better hunter you'll be) & fertility respectively.

  • @DianaBoston Either way, I haven't, in my limited studies of historical sexuality, found ANY evidence that morbid obesity (like Dwayne's) or whiny, bitchassness were considered attractive traits to women. And I'll be damned if a woman wants a man who can't support himself.

  • I stopped listening as soon as he said evolution. Once that comes up all morality and the value of human life goes out the window.

  • Evolution has no moral implications.

  • @ImTheRiffRaff I disagree as we evolved man kind notesedt that working as a team and not killing people around you for what ever reasons keeps the team strong. With this strength a group will hunt with greater successwhich benifits all of the grroup etc etc etc.

  • I have to agree with this.

  • that's not very nice..but even obese people fall in love so it isn't his size..its because he is down himself ..and someone is poisoning his mind..bill ur responsible for that...shame on u..and leave people who have social problems alone...another middle aged man rounded up easily influenced youth to put his sick twisted hatred towards women... and relationships...much like hitler and Metz..

  • these guys are the kinds of egocentric self righteous dickheads that got turned into swiss cheese during Columbine High School shooting for hating on a small group of people, and you know what I'd help them pull the trigger

  • No these are the triggermen. Natural Selection? Evolution? The kids at Columbine were evolutionary zealots.

  • I feel pity for both sides of this argument.

  • Natural Selection would be so much better if it punished assholes and dumbfucks.

  • I know fatasses w/ hot wives. It's all about money, genius.

  • or how to communicate, I've seen plenty of broke fat fucks with 9's and 10's and shit boggles me every time

  • bill is trying to point out that women are TOO damn picky

  • why only one video

    I enjoyed your dialogue

    thanks

    marc in nyc

  • Very articulate you are, and I enjoyed listening and agree

    5 starts! :)

  • You guys would had shot your self with your own gun going out west back in the day.

  • That's clever and (or) accurate because....

  • @WhiteSpaz -DAMN.....how many ppl do you think actually understood 98% of the vocabulary used in this video? LMFAO And for the record as a chick I have to agree with just about all of it

  • @WhiteSpaz -DAMN.....how many ppl do you think actually understood 98% of the vocabulary used in this video? LMFAO And for the record as a chick I have to agree with just about all of it

  • after you reclaim your balls, perhaps you can then grow a decent mustache?

  • Good contribution

  • By the way friends, we made some follow ups to this video including a response to truthseekers criticisms check them out on my homepage

  • sherdog shits on TFL again lol

  • I brought up the topic concerning PEOPLE WITH DISABILITIES. There are people with disabilities who can walk you know.

  • Very good.

  • hahahahahah well done sir

    do u post in the OT?

  • One has to remember too that all individuals in a society don't necessarily follow the culture that they are in. We have to account for countercultures, subcultures, etc, some of which have found their niches within the core culture and have adapted and survived as well.

  • I re-iterate: If mate selection in humans had to do MORE with genetics (Biology) than culture then there would be extremely little or idealistically NO VARIATION regarding mate selection in humans across societies. This mate selection process would be HARDWIRED in our genes. We would not be able to help it. This is obviously not the case in reality. There is a large variation across cultures.

  • Yes Catharsis you make perfect sense. One reason a particular culture (or aspect of it)is developed is for a society to adapt to a particular environment (natural or social-inclusive of inter and intra cultural human relations and economic situation). However, it has MORE to do with the social situation and LESS to do with biology.

    What I have a problem with is that those 2 erroneously believe that GENETICS (Biology) plays a greater part in mate selection when this is not the case.

  • It wasn't denied that mate selection is predominantly a sociocultural issue, what is being speculated on is what motivates a society to designate a certain attribute either attractive or unattractive. The sociocultural element doesn't nullify the existence of certain biological underpinnings based on the recognition that certain attributes entail a greater survival value in a population. Certain norms are established via cultural whims; some also appear to make sense from a biological view

  • Again WHAT'S THE MATTER WITH "CRIPPLES?"You act as if people with disabilities are helpless and lifeless which would be a very ignorant and stupid thing to think. Haven't you heard of Stephen Hawking? Wasn't he married? What about the full figured chanteur Ruben Stoddard. Didn't he get married recently? Based on your fatuous logic (no pun intended) he shouldn't have gotten married right? What about Paul Mc. Cartney's ex-wife, an amputee?

  • Nothing's wrong with cripples besides the fact they can't walk. Your the one who brought them up.

  • Just like some species of birds. I mentioned all this before. PLEASE read ALL my posts properly.

  • Look at this: In country A fat=bad, thin=good. In country B fat=good, thin=bad. Thus in country A mates would be selected based on thinness whereas in country B, mates would be selected based on fatness.

    If mate selection was based moreso on genetics (as these 2 seem to believe), then both country A and B would have the same mate selection criteria regardless of culture. They wouldn't be able to help it. It would be a true instinct. Something hardwired into their genes.

  • Yes Cartharsis you are right however, MATE SELECTION in humans (courtship , dating, etc) has more of a sociocultural component than a genetic component.

  • "What about nigeria? What about the fattening rooms? " What does this have to do with genetics? This has to do with a CULTURAL perception of beauty and health. This does nothing to support your argument. Do you really understand what genes are? You don't seem to.

  • "The reason I bring that up is because you were talking about cripples." And what's the matter with "cripples?"

  • In Africa and India for instance, mate selection is moreso a family matter. Two individuals are brought together for marriage based on merging economic ties between families rather than "physical attractiveness" between the 2 individuals. If mate selection in humans had more to do with biology (genes) instead of culture (the environment) then the same process of mate selection would be the same across cultures. Read all my posts on this topic carefully.

  • What about nigeria? What about the fattening rooms?

  • It wasn't denied in the video that there are cultural influences on attractiveness; some influential factors appear to be an amalgamation of both cultural and biological factors. There appear to bo others, however which are more solely cultural or biological. Fat= poor health. Its indicative of a serious problem in our country. A bent on this view may be found in certain cultures that see it as a sign of prosperity. There skinny= bad/unhealthy. Both acknowledge a degree of biological importance.

  • What genes for attractiveness are you talking about? What are they? You're basing your arguments on some Western world pseudoscience which shows some warped correlation between physical attractiveness based on "genes" and obtaining a mate. There are moreso sociocultural and socioeconomic factors involved which have nothing to do with genes.

  • But genes brought us there, right?

  • Look at this :"Oh no, it's not soley beauty. I don't believe anyone ever said 'soley beauty'.

    Now this: "The reason why certain people may be left lonely can possibly be linked to the fact that their genes aren't attractive anymore... it's that simple." Isn't this doublespeak? To me doublespeak=hypocrisy.

  • But attractive doesn't equal beauty, neccessarily.

  • Ok truth seeker I see this is a very touchy subject in appearence.. Now I'm not going to argue every point as in it will get us no where. But what I speak of is simply social and biological evolution (which is alot of why social evolution is the way it is). That's it. The reason why certain people may be left lonely can possibly be linked to the fact that their genes aren't attractive anymore... it's that simple

  • "Now why would I consider "vegitables" in what I'm saying?" WHAAAAAAT???? What sort of bigoted statement is that? Do you have something against people with disabilities? Why don't you wave a Nazi flag and shot "Heil Hitler, mein furor?" Just remember what goes around comes around. You are not invincible! It's people like you who eventually end up getting a disability through an accident. You have just shown your level of ignorance! Blame it on rcessive genes providing you with a peabrain!

  • The reason I bring that up is because you were talking about cripples.

  • What do you want me to say again? Do you want me to be opinionated rather than speak factually?

  • Mc Gaugh, I'm not talking out of a book. I don't even have a book in front of me. I'm talking off the top of my head based on knowledge I've gained over the years.

  • The fact that these BBW sites are so numerous and apparently successful is testimony to the fact that there is a great demand for such women. If not in the States, most likely in other parts of the world.

  • On BBW: There are numerous sites regarding BBW. Far less than BHM. Some say this sort of thing is a fetish. Although many men are ashamed to admit it, many men do like full figured women. If there wasn't a demand for BBW, then why are there so many sites with them? I'm sure that the people who set up the sites have done their marketing and demographical studies to obtain relevant figures to determine the feasibility of operating such sites.

  • "Oh no, it's not soley beauty. I don't believe anyone ever said 'soley beauty." You do imply that it's SOLELY beauty though.

  • OK ts1971, you have read a few books, but try to actually say something rather then talk from a book.

  • Where are those genes located on the human genome? How are they expressed? Do they exhibit a Mendelian or non-Mendelian pattern of inheritance? What is the incidence of such recessive and dominant genes in a population?

  • "NOt neccessarily... ever heard of the idea of recessive and dominant genes." Oh for Pete's sake!!!! Didn't you read what I wrote about the effect of the environment (socioculture, socioeconomics)on matters such as these? It has very little to do with genetics!! What traits are the dominant genes with respect to mate selection responsible for? What are the corresponding recessive genes and the traits associated with them?

  • "Help your self to a text book or a scientific america or something." Obviously you know that what you all are talking is absolute rubbish since you cannote site any reference whatsoever pertaining to your claims. If you obtained it from one scientific study only that does not make it valid. The study has to be repeated numerous times by different people in a systematic way until the relevant scientific community agrees that it it is valid. Don't blame me for your faulty argument method.

  • Guys you're making yourself look very foolish. Of course, none of your supporters seem to be able to argue a point properly. You're all so comical it's unbelievable.

  • What about people with disabilities? Some have disabilities because of genetic reasons (e.g. muscular dystrophy) or physical reasons (e.g. from accidents, obstructions in the womb preventing development of limbs etc- no genetics involved). It's very uncommon that people date people with disabilities. Thus you think that a woman should date an illiterate charmless Brad Pitt lookalike rather than a charming, kind, loving, Stephen Hawking type right? So it's just based on looks right?

  • Now why would I consider "vegitables" in what I'm saying?

  • The susceptibility or predisposition to suffer from such diseases has a lot to do with genetics. Male pattern baldness and obesity also.

    Dwayne is living proof that what you are saying is absolute rubbish. His parents would have had genes for obesity and would have passed them on to Dwayne. Assuming that Dwayne's father was obese, then Dwayne's mother should have never had a relationship with him and have Dwayne right? That's what you stupid logic dictates right?

  • NOt neccessarily... ever heard of the idea of recessive and dominant genes? And it doesn't mean they CAN"T get a girl... it means the chances are slim. And the idea is hopefully they'll slim into none.

  • 3. (cont'd)Now there's no real scientific evidence of the existence or the role that pheromones play in humans. What genes are reponsible for pheromone production?

    4. Your cowardly friend is talking absolute nonsense with regard to body scent. Then explain to me why there are so many healthy people out there who have troble finding a mate. Also, explain to me, why there are so many people with diabetes, cancer, heart diseases, mental illnesses, etc.

  • 3.) on the contrary. THere is.

    4.) What you said on this point has no logic and until you can restate it in a worthy manner I'll let it slide. Help your self to a text book or a scientific america or something

  • You seem to be using twisted "science" that comes from eugenics not much to do with natural selection.

    3. At around 2:40 I believe that you may be talking about pheromones.

  • No matter where you go in the world, species A of a bird would display a particular mating ritual characteristic of species A.

  • Therefore it would be defined as a true hardcore INSTINCT.There haven't been any true instincts identified in the human species especially in terms of mate selection. Basic physiological functions such as sleep, feeding, etc. aren't really instincts as such. In certain social animals e.g some birds, their mating rituals are indeed moreso based on genetics and are true instincts. They're hardwired into their genes . They can't help it. It's natural for them.

  • Mate selection in humans is more governed by sociocultural (and even socioeconomic) factors. You are basing your arguments on the American standard of beauty. It's based on your culture. Different cultures have different standards of beauty, courtship rituals and reasons for mate selection. Thus based on that we can see the minor role genetics plays in this. If genetics played the larger role, then mate selection criteria and methods would be the same across cultures.

  • Oh no, it's not soley beauty. I don't believe anyone ever said 'soley beauty'.

  • 1. So it's only obese men who may have ill health huh? Don't the so-called BBW women have ill health too? They can still have many men lined up to do their bidding and they can still pick and choose. Your logic is a bit faulty.

    2. You are correct at about 1:16 regarding the role of genetics and evolution in human biology. However, in terms of mate selection, it plays a very minuscule part. Human beings are products of nature (genetics) and nurture (environment).

  • THey can have men lined up? I need this proof please... and the reasons behinde it... and how often this happens.

  • TFL = ugly, social outcast crybabies who can't get laid.

    Simple as that.

  • why can't u grow a decent mustache...perhaps u are a eunuch?? hey puke, TAKEBACKYOURBALLS!!

  • low life peice of shit.

  • I love how bill has this oh so original alternate account so he can let out all the vile and venom in his shriveled black heart.

  • are you dum or something. this is definitely not a fake account. I repeat: this is NOT bill122460.

  • Wow, right. Because by putting NOT in front of your name means you aren't Bill. You sure pulled some bit of cleverness there. Congratulations.

    So, why'd you guys block my comments? Couldn't cut it in a debate, eh?

  • Bill blocked your comments?

  • Yep. I'm not surprised, it is what they do when someone debates them.

  • how very eloquent of you... I appreciate your feedback (not)bill

  • lol, i really though tfl was fake, but after watching dwayness F-bomb video im completley in this shit..ahahaha man these fuckers are retarded and deperatley need to fuck. but since they are to busy doing research...hahahah stupid fucks

  • It'd be fucking hilarious if all 2500lbs of Dwayne somehow came out of nowhere and bum rushed you during your video lmfao!!!

  • hahaha...

  • lol, you talk like seth rogen

  • BTW, you bastards failed understanding evolution and the hunter gatherer stuff. Holloway's genetic code is a remnant of that shit. He stores so much fat currently because his ancestor's were incredible at gathering food for their survival. So in an evolutionary sense Dwayne has excellent survival genetics but because of modern society being so ridiculously easy to exist in Holloway doesn't have to go forage around in the forest anymore and try and take down a bear by chucking a spear through it.

  • Which of course makes it so he naturally gets no exercise to keep the weight at a minimum level. Of course he could do exercise and in that sense once again create balance to go with his genetics but unfortunately this fact seems lost on him. Until we see Big D sweatin to the oldies with Richard Simmons in an exclusive youtube video extraordinairre no one is going to believe him about his physical therapy and walking bullshit.

  • haha I guess that's definetly a way to look at it.. and I hope your only joking because this could actually be viewed from several different angles.

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