There are gangs of feral blacks stabbing, shooting and slaughtering people in the streets (thankfully it's mostly eachother) and there are gangs of Muslim pedophiles drugging and raping children all over the country.
Enoch - you tried mate, you tried. You must be spinning in your grave right now.
@PatAttack1000 wtf? wth has that got to do with anything? Run along dickhead and jump in when you have something worthwhile to add to what is actually being discussed.
@PatAttack1000 What the fuck?! So you enjoy and agree listening to him spout his this bullshit. He's a fucking racist pig and quite frankly should be jailed. I am not the brainwashed one you 'cretinous, idiotic' piece of shit. Fuck off and take your BNP/EDL views with you, prick! It's people like you that drag the fucking human race down! You should be shot!
@JackGamer193 David Starkey is an incredibly intelligent academic who is worth listening to. You are sponsoring the destruction of western civilisation as we know it by spouting this pro-multicultural and ultimately anti-white nonsense. And the fact that you are calling for a rational individual who wishes to preserve the heritage of his country which made it so great to be SHOT just shows how sick you are. 'Drag the human race down'? Sounds like eugenics buddy!
@211Anon He is in no way intelligent. He is stuck in the past just like you. It's not about being "anti-white" one of the main reasons being I am white, and neither is it about multiculturalism. It's about basic respect for other human beings. And how the fuck am "sponsoring the destruction of western civilisation" if anything he is. Heritage is meant for a damn museum, not modern political/cultural ideology. And I'm not sick but he should be, the world would be a better place.
@211Anon And why do you have so much against supposed multiculturalism when Britain is in itself and always has been for the past 2500 years a melting pot of ethnicity/culture and language. You're a fool to think the world and it's people will move at a pace to suit outdated idiot's like Starkey and yourself because you would like to stare back at the prosperous past rather than the bleak future a while longer, rather than trying to make the future of this country better. Idealistic racist.
@JackGamer193 'Racist', the classic label to be slapped on anybody who dares disagree with the leftist agenda. Of course he is intelligent, do you think a professor at the LSE isn't, whether you agree with him or not? Britain has only ever prospered as mono-cultural society. The arrivals of the various Germanic tribes brought with them long periods of instability and violence. The Norman invasion saw the subjugation of the Anglo-Saxons for many a year, until much time melted the two together.
@211Anon@JackGamer193 also. Guys you both make brilliant points that are confused due to emotional keyboard warrior type communication. A multicultural society is great! Obviously it is i am a product of it myself (not using that as a reason haha). I teaches others how to respect and understand things that might otherwise prove difficult. However that is racial, racial culture is accepted and loved however things like religious/gang culture are entirely different matters...
@211Anon@Jackgamer193 This because gang culture creates a 'us vs. them' scenario where only one side can be right.. The thing is gang culture manages to glorify everything that most other cultures hate, ie violence, rebellion etc. The boys who were rioting on the streets are taking part in a culture completely separate to any racial culture and so the cannot be described as a representation for any branch of 'black culture'. The drug dealing looting ect culture theyve made needs tostop
@JackGamer193 Britain's finest years were those of a strong monocultural society that saw little to no immigration. And if there was immigration, it was in small quantities meaning that the new arrivals were forced to assimilate. I have a pressing question for you: What actual benefits has multiculturalism brought with it? Don't give me any trivial things like exotic food choices, but real benefits for all people. I'm curious to hear your answer.
@211Anon Same in the US. Except the worse part of the problem is the illegal immigration from the Southern border. Uncontrolled or massive importation of foreign culture results in ethnic clumping and "us" and "them" thinking within a society. Then the social conflicts arise, and politicians manipulate it in order to get power. If immigrants (legal or illegal) would subscribe to "when in Rome, DO as the Romans" (assimilation), we wouldn't have these problems.
@211Anon I'm not answering that stupid question. People don't come to this country to serve your every fucking need and they aren't here to 'bring benefits'. But as your so outwards thinking I'll point you inward. What real benefit is there to everyone being of one culture? And don't give me 'everybody gets along' because nobody ever does human beings are susceptible to being irritated by people like you. At the end of the day we are all human. It's people like you that hold humanity back, sorry
The liberal agenda has killed us, handing out benefits combined with unchecked mass immigration/ "multiculturism" and a failing education system leads to one thing only...
As expected, the populations from Central Asia group together and away from the South Asian ones, however, there is a segregation of North Pakistan with populations from Central Asia, whereas South Pakistan shares a closer affinity to populations to the west."
an mtDNA study of modern Egyptians from the Gurna region near Thebes in Southern Egypt revealed that Eurasian haplogroups represented 61% of the population,
The main influx of foreign genes comes in 7-10 & 13-17 dynasties unsurprisingly the Intermediate periods when they were ruled by invaders from the Middle East & Europe. This is the period where your samples are usually taken from, and only cover a period of no more than a few hundred years in total, conveniently omitting the centuries of unbroken rule in between.
Like I said. You aren't on my level academically. I suggest you go & read & stop reading old ideological supremacist science
7.) Egyptian populations from the Paleolithic period (abt 35,000BCE) to the pre-dynastic period (Badarian & proto-Egyptian culture) display physical features common to Africoids with associated traits. Features which resembled or were thought to show Caucasoid influence, with modern anthropology has been shown to be attributable to natural selection (eg Khoisan, look Chinese - they live in a desert, C.Africans aborigines are shorter, they live in forests)
6.) Egyptians made a BIG DEAL about their origins. There's TONS of stuff about this. The Egyptian word 'Khentiu' means 'Lands of the South'. It also means 'first', 'foremost', 'beginnings' or 'chief', '. 'Yau' means Old, as in 'The Old Country'. The word for West & Right is the same word. (This means they orientated themselves to the south - their place of origin).
The truth is that MANY shades are depicted, reflecting the diversity of hues that exist amongst African populations - There is more diversity genotypically & phenotypically amongst Blacks than ANY other ethnic groupings. Champollion (founderof Egyptology) confirms this.There is sooo much evidence it is unreal, much survives to this day, even amongst African populations.
This is the reason some Egyptologists believe they were depicting different races when they were drawing say Nubians (Ramsses). Many depictions show them in the same jet black colour (Temple of Ramsses III). Modern Nuba wrestlers paint red-yellow colours for ceremonies. Mentuhotep I, Thutmose I, Tutankhamun, Thutmose III all have jet black depictions. Thutmose has both. They could not have been both dark & lighter so the colour HAS to be symbolic. Many New Kingdom artworks show dark skins
5) In art. Egyptians used a particular aesthetic in their art, linked to religion. (still prevalent in most African cultures today). The convention was to paint men with a reddish hue in their skin, women with a yellow one. Where these crossover are usually when the artists is using propaganda to elevate the objects status (For example Hapshepsut wanted to portray herself as a Pharoah in the same right as a man (Pharoahs had to be validated by a queen, still prevalent today) so was red.
4.) Herodotus (1st Western (Greek) historian in recorded history himself says) Egyptians were Black skinned with wooly hair - Book II "The Histories". If you conveniently refute this, then u also have to refute the writings of Aeschylus, Arsitotle, Galen, Heliodorus, Diodourus, Lucian & Apollodorius - ALL who corroborate Herodotus on Egyptian ethnicity/appearance.
Dr Madden (1820) & Capt Richard Burton (1883) Egyptologists examining skulls confirm this. Most skulls found are dolicephalic
Joseph Greenberg (US Linguist/anthropologist from Yale) one of great distinction in the world & Dr Christopher Ehret have shown that Semitic, so-called Afro-Asiatic langs are actually derivatives of the Kemetic, in Ethiopia/Eritraea. These areas today have the MOST amount of semitic langs spoken than ANYWHERE ELSE in the world, incl Kushitic ones. Even Herodotus says this when he talks about the origins of the Phoenicians (Eritraea)
Kemetic (even to this day is the root of many African langs, esp W.African) Even the words are the same. Words in ENGLISH originate from this root. For example. You may have heard of the country Nigeria, Niger, or the river Niger, or even the word Nigger, and its parent words from Latin, passed down across centuries. This is from the Khemetic root 'NGR" (Kemetic lang did not write vowels, meaning conveyed in tone/accent/stress (still true in African langs today) for the area nr the river
All 19th/20thC fallacies, misnomers & deliberate misdirections on Egypt can easily be countered with today's evidence. It's whether Europeans like you can handle what the truth points to. The evidence is in the same material you use to disprove Egyptian 'African-ness'. More of us are educated & widely read enough to understand, extrapolate the date, with more familiarity with African culture that Europeans deliberately isolate to justify their hegemony rendition.
being educated in white society eliminates their invention or intellect, merely by living/studying in white countries? Is a white person studying in Africa then subsequently dumbed down by being in an African university? U have nothing, read nothing, & u close your mind to evidence in front of u. Yet u claim you aren't racist. This conversation is over. I've given you sources from ur own European heritage. You wouldn't be able to handle suppositions from Blacks anyway. I suggest you read.
@ScottishCaledonian earliest descriptions are recorded as being administered by African slaves on British plantations in the W.Indies & in the US in the 17th up to mid 18thCs, & were deemed to be practicing techniques for innoculation that had been transplanted from their homelands. Lady Montagu in1717 (British)who observed this same practice from the Turks, decades BEFORE Jenner's discovery. Islamic records corroborate that this practice had been inherited from antiquity from African migrants
On the Calender: Mainstream science accredits this to Mesopotamia. I ask you this, African civilizations were the 1st to develop co-occurence - the ability to notice patterns in nature. Once u have this u can determine the best places to plant seeds, grow crops, favourable soil types, rainfall, bushfires, weather, agriculture (millet) and know the best times to plant. In fact many religious systems/calenders are based around agricultural/wet dry season weather patterns.
@JayGriffinblaze The Calendar was not invented by sub saharan Blacks, sub saharan blacksa did not have a written language. Nor did sub saharan blacks devlop trigonometry, PI, or any trading language. You are a liar. The Small pox vaccine was discovered by Edward Jenner in 1796, who acted upon his observation that milkmaids who caught the cowpox virus did not catch smallpox. You have listed lie after lie
@ScottishCaledonian No lies. You just aren't learned enough becuz you are entrenched in early 20th Century thinking which paints a different spin on teh achievements of non-Europeans. It was the only way you could justify colonialism in the face of worldwide uprising in the colonies. I'll break it down for you. whether you will believe them is another matter. But like I've said, I've cited your own academics to back my claims. You can't.
@JayGriffinblaze Your a liar, everything you have written has been a blatant lie. Sub saharan Africans did not even have a wrriten language. And you claim that they discovered trigonometry and PI (Ancient Greece). Your a despicable liar.
@ScottishCaledonian On Trigonometry. Yes they did. Pythagoras, Archimedes, Herodotus, Conon, Eratasthenes, Archimedes, Plato and so on ALL spent time in Egypt studying, before taking their acquired knowledge and introducing them to Europe. BY THEIR OWN ACCOUNT. Go and read THEIR words if you don't believe mine. The only one that DIDN'T attribute his knowledge to what he learned in Egypt and travels to other lands was Archimedes - and we know why. The equations he uses are the same.
The Egyptians (and therefore the inheritors that later populated west and central and Eastern Africa after the fall of Rome, when Europe was experiencing so-called Dark Ages, before Islamic expansion (and after) were familiar with Pi to only a few decimal places out. They used 3 as opposed to 3.14, but in practice the dimensions are the same (they knew they were slightly out) Religions in Africa maintain similar geometrics & mathematics. The maths is complex & there isn't enough space to detail.
@ScottishCaledonian I've answered every one of your questions, yet you are yet to answer even one of mine. I don't expect u to. Maybe you are alarmed by the fact that a Black man knows and has studied your own history and has uncovered the truth that bigots like you try to hide. That's why all you can come with is evidence of invention questions (when you control all the mechanisms by which this is adjudged & validated). I'm not doing this for you. I'm doing this for others to see the truth.
@JayGriffinblaze The Egyptians were not black, only a small proportion of egyptian underclass were nubian. Luis, Rowold et al. found that the diverse NRY haplotypes observed in a population of mixed Arabs and Berbers found that the majority of haplogroups, about 59% were of Eurasian origin. They found that markers signaling the Neolithic expansion from the Middle East constitute the predominant component.
@ScottishCaledonian I was wondering when u would raise that comon fallacy. Most 19th/20thC Egyptology and ALL literature & other sources of info on the Egyptians comes from a period (deliberately) when they were rule dby foreigners. For example, During the Intermediate periods, or Hyksos dynasties, or in the case of the Eurasian haplotypes u refer to, from the Ptolamaeic period when of course Macedonian Greece had conquered & settled in those lands, assuming their culture/religion with theirs.
It's misconception that Egyptians were not Black. As I've said, there were many periods in which Egypt was not ruled by True Egyptians, but invaders. Eg. Senosrit .So I will use evidence laid down by the Egyptians AND Europeans' accounts living IN Egypt. The same evidence which is used to confirm other things about Europe, but selectively omits the rest of the info which would reveal their ethnic origins.
Oh & if u want to have any credibility, don't copy the Wikipedia entry ad verbatim.
@JayGriffinblaze The ancient egyptians are not black, nor are they sub saharan, and there is NOTHING wrong with citing wikipedia as long as you check their sources. DNA testing on egyptian remains from different layers of egpytian civilisaiton has showed that the ancient egyptians were predominantley descended from Eurasia and the midde east
@ScottishCaledonian except u copied Wiki & didn't cite what u were referencing. I have and I didn't need Wiki. I've also disproved your contention and the motivation for your contention. You have not cited anything other than a Wiki ref to disprove what I have contested back at you. Believe what you like, the truth is out there. I have 100s of scientific studies that confirm they were NOT Eurasian. When u have something come back to me. I'll knock that out the ball park too.
@JayGriffinblaze You have not proved anything, and the Wikipedia excerpt is cited from an academic journal. And no you do not have 100s of scientific studies, you are a liar.
@ScottishCaledonian Clearly you don't read. You didn't cite the reference. You just copied the exact paragraph even the authors that the paragraph was cited from in the same order THAT poster wrote it in. You've not cited where THAT was taken from. I've already listed many anthropologists, linguists, Egyptologists, Geophysicists, Orientalists, historians and geneticists work in answering every one of ur submissions, when & where from. I've read them while u vicariously quote from Wiki.
@JayGriffinblaze You are sputing gibberish and nonsense on purpose in order to make a very obscure and ambigous argument. I have cited a valid source regarding the genetic history of ancient egyptians and you have retorted with very obscure nonsensical, unsubstantiated rubbish.
@ScottishCaledonian Ok ignoramus. The United Nations SCIENTIFIC & CULTURAL Organization is gibberish? I refer u AGAIN to the 1974 Symposium :
The Peopling of Ancient Egypt and the Deciphering of Meroitic Script, January 28-February 3, 1974 (Paris: UNESCO,)
If already told you 20 of the world's top Eqyptologist/Antrhopologists attended. I recommend you read the findings of that symposium. That alone blows your 'genetic haplotype' theory, even if you disregard the ARTEFACTS. Now FUCK OFF.
@JayGriffinblaze The Genetic testing of ancient egpytian remains is conclusive, you have posted irrelevent, nonsensical gibberish. The "Peopling of Ancient Egypt and the Deciphering of Meroitic Script, January 28-February 3, 1974 (Paris: UNESCO,)" is completely meaningless to this argument, you are attemtping to spam this thread with ambigous, obscure nonsense. And I doubt your academic credentials that you smugly claim.
@ScottishCaledonian This has been sourced from a.) Proceedings from the Royal Society B: Biological Sciences in July 2009. b.) the Genetic Structure and History of Africans and African Americans,” Science 324, 22 May 2009) work with such geneticists as : Sarah A. Tishkoff, Floyd A. Reed, F. R. Friedlaender, Alessia Ranciaro whom he worked with.
You might consider it obscure, but the science is UNESCO recognised.
haha well if u were reading u would find out WHY that is relevant since top Egyptologists were able to determine this all amongst themselves. So it's not really meaningless, unless you have an agenda to whitewash or veto anything which doesn't coincide with what you WANT to believe, and OTHER scientists that support ur world view can cook up. You can doubt my credentials, this is Youtube after all, but you have no idea who I am or what my connections, access or affiliations might be.
@JayGriffinblaze Those citations have nothing to do with the genetic history of the ancient egyptians, you are posting obscure nonsense, and copying and pasting completely irrelevent citations.
@ScottishCaledonian then maybe these more recent studies will shut u up till u pull out the next Wiki citation u will use to justify ur racist ideologues. I already mentioned Dr Ehret work.
@ScottishCaledonian work from 2009 is outdated? So you can copy & paste from Wikipedia, not even having read the sources, but when I answer your questions I am copying and pasting from the internet?
Yeah I'm really copy pasting random things in response to every point in this debate. It's also in vernacular, how would I be able to find so many diff sources? Since u can't believe any person of colour can be intelligent enough to be academic,to acquire knowledge or read. RACIST.
@JayGriffinblaze Those two citations you posted have nothing to do with the genetic history of ancient egyptians, you are posting very obscure and ambgious information in order to try to make a confusing and ambigous argument. Your argument is nonsensical.
Anyway please tell me what sub saharan blacks contributed to knoweldge, and no the ancient egyptians are not sub saharan blacks.
@ScottishCaledonian You guys ALWAYS say that, when faced with evidence. Confusing? Ambiguous? Obscure? yeah about as obscure as a granite stele with hieroglyphics can be. And as obscure as a genetic study with opposite findings to the one you support, which must be nonsensical because it destroys your argument, despite being clearly outlined and covering science, culture, language, anthropology and archaeology. So you bring it back to your invention question. Answer MY questions fool.
@JayGriffinblaze "Within the plot, the populations of Egypt, Iraq, Yemen, Qatar, Oman, UAE, Syria and Lebanon occupy an intermediate position with populations from Africa to one side and Anatolia, Caucasus, Iranian Plateau, Central Asia and South Asia on the other. Of note, for the observed partitioning is the affinity of Egypt to populations from the Arabian Peninsula. Furthermore, Yemen and Qatar segregate together but separate from their neighboring population
@ScottishCaledonian Yawn yawn yawn wiki wiki wiki - you're doing it so blatantly now. Come with something better than inconclusive scientific hegemony studies, when there are just as many with the same evidence that say the opposite. That's not to include all the other evidence that exists not related to DNA analysis.
@ScottishCaledonian I don't care anymore. I'm tired and have better things to do with my time, than argue indefinitely to a stalemate with a racist who dismisses anything and everything which doesn't support his view. But I see you on a lot of the other vids, so I'll be looking out for you...... Shame. Actually thought this would be a decent intellectual debate.
@JayGriffinblaze My post came from the American journal of Human genetics, not wikipedia, and my citations are studies into the genetic history of the egyptians. You posted ambigous rubbish, you cannot be bothered anymore because you cannot refute.
@ScottishCaledonian dude it's not MY citation, those were the results decided on by the scientific community then. That work has been developed on since. If u were READING, u would notice I said ur contestion WAS refuted in 1974. There have been as many DNA studies in recent times confirming the opposite of what you say. Y'all just don't wanna listen. Like I said. this isn't for u, this is for others to read and learn since there are many like you trying to suppress this info.
@JayGriffinblaze The majority of J in greater North Africa according to the below study is of a single motif which is attributed to 7th Century Islamic era Arab expansion from the Arabian peninsula rather than a Neolithic origin such as in Ethiopia. These results are consistent with the proposal that this haplotype was diffused in recent time by Arabs who, mainly from the 7th century a.d., expanded to northern Africa (Nebel et al. 2002).
@JayGriffinblaze A study by Krings et al. from 1999 on mitochondrial DNA clines along the Nile Valley found that a Eurasian cline runs from Northern Egypt to Southern Sudan, and a Sub-Saharan cline extends from Southern Sudan to Northern Egypt.[22] Another study based on maternal lineages links modern Egyptians with people from modern Eritrea/Ethiopia such as the Afro-Asiatic-speaking Tigre.[23] Similarly,
Trigonometry is a field of mathematics first compiled by 2nd century BCE by the Greek mathematician Hipparchus. The history of trigonometry and of trigonometric functions follows the general lines of the history of mathematics.
@ScottishCaledonian what did you Wiki that? That is the Western rendition of the history of Trigonometry. Hipparchus also got his ideas from the Chaldeans in Babylonia. Babylonian (and their contemporaries in Mesopotamia cultures all trace their ancestry to the civ we now know as Sumerians, who trace in all their creation myths and records (tablets in musuems) from East Africa with descriptions of what they looked like. (Enki) This was the land known to the Egyptians as Kush.
@JayGriffinblaze 1.) All surviving statues of the Old Kingdom dynasties portray rulers with African features without exception. This is undisputable. Pierre Montet - French Egyptologist.
2.) The myth of a Caucasian invasion in the 1st dynasty comes from Narmer's tablet, & The Instruction of Merikare. The tablet records the victories of Narmer (Mena) over his enemies (notably the Caucasians - which is argued means they must have been there already to be removed) Kheti VII (10thD) uses this
to instruct Merikare his son, on how to govern. Its clear from the texts they considered them enemies & they had caused trouble in Egyptian lands for time immemorial.
Why would they consider their own people enemies (if they WERE Cauc, enough that in Stele, tablets, governance, Papyrii they go thru the trouble of declaring them long standing enemies, since the time of the 1stD?
3.) Until recently, the Egyptian language was regarded as Semitic (Middle Eastern) therefore foreign. This is also a lie. This has been refuted FINALLY since the 1974 UNESCO symposium. 20 of the world's LEADING Egyptologists were able to show MASSES of comparisons of linguistic comparisons/derivatives/evolutions from Kemetic. This is found in modern languages in West to Central to East Africa in languages like Wolof (Senegalese) Mali, and ALL the Bantu language tree (ALL other African langs)
@scottishCaledonian You show your ignorance, & lack of reading. I'm well aware of Jenner's discovery to the strain that afflicted Europeans (not the same strain as that affected Africans) and when it was made. U want empirical evidence I refer u to a Cambridge paper in 1975 by Eugene W. Herbert (Yale university). It is mentioned widely across different parts of Africa, as a practice mostly used in Western & Central Africa, & in Sudan/Ethiopia even Southern Africa.
@ScottishCaledonian On Trading Language: Err dumbass where do you think Linear script B comes from? The only reason we know about Mycaenaen Greece (precursor to classical) is bcuz this was the language Egypt used to communicate with its vassals, allies and trading partners - Linear B, later known as Mycenaean Greek. If you look at the Glyphs the similarities are obvious. The same language inherited by the phoenicians (the sea peoples), later the Carthaginians. Go and read your OWN history.
George E Alcorn - x-ray spectrometer which caused him to win the NASA inventor of the year award in 1984, George w carver - peanut butter. Jack Johnson the wrench. Granville Woods air brakes &egg incubator.
Daniel H. Williams- 1st successful open heart surgery. Elijah McCoy - automatic lubricator. Fredrick Jones - 1st automatic refrigeration system used in trucks, . Otis Boykin improved the electric resistor so it can now be used in computers, radios & TV, James E West - electronic microphone. Garrett A Morgan- traffic light & gas mask,
@JayGriffinblaze Those blacks were educated by whites, lived in white society and learned in white universities. I repeat, for the 9th time, what have sub saharan Africans contributed to knowledge, discovered or invented
DEFINE your parameters dumbass. For the 6th time. Modern invention, Industrial invention, Rennaissance invention, Medieval invention, Ancient invention, pre-historical invention. As I said. BECAUSE of history u can't pluck an arbitrary paradigm like that (I suspect u regard modern invention as the only valid form as well, despite how thatis tainted BY history)
What, nothing to say?? You racists love to kick shit to soem Black people that may not know their history, or the European history for that matter. But some of us do.... and we are educating EVERYBODY. You won't be able to hide behind the lie of dominance, hegemony and control any longer. Academically you aren't even on my level if I was jacked up on crystal meth or ketamine!
Seriously, white people if running away from responsibility, borrowing trillions of dollars, attacking the defenseless, stuffing women in dumpsters and fucking little boys is how you demonstrate your might, you may as well just give up now. I thought the British were a people of conquerors as they once controlled most of the world. Now, they are a shadow of their former selves crying about us BIG, BAD, BLACK MEN. This is too damn rich. Ha ha ha
This is funny, saying "black culture" is violent. Have you ever looked at your own history? Please, name one country that was never taken over by white people...
David Starkey is right! I am went to a comprhensive and had misfortune of hearing the fucking patwa crap myself everyday from either illiterate idiots or desperate gangsta wannabes. The funny thing is these marxist teachers (even the english teachers) never corrected these fools to speak actual english. I guess just like teaching too high standards they were far too lazy for that too.
Multiculuralism is curse btw I am not white before you liberal loon crybabies start pulling the racist card.
--our ability to conduct research effectively which means their budgets can decrease. I think best bet, get in more Poles, Ukrainians etc. Boot out all the evil Asian freaks to where they came from. Impose massive taxes on Indian corner shops but give the Paki ones tax cuts. Introduce a Mongolian/Russian awareness month to highlight problems in their psychology. And yeah, that's the answer. I hope someone powerful works it out as well. If you don't live within like 1000 miles fuck off. Simple!
The real threat, as should be obvious to anyone with any common sense is the threat of highly populated Asia, and India as well. Muslims are no threat at all. Haven't been for years. Asia is a more serious threat as their only benefit to us is Japan. The rest of the whole massive area is pointless for us. From their perspective they want to rape Europe and turn it into a 3rd world shithole, the reason being they are insecure of their tiny cocks. That way they can save money too by sabotaging
Well there are major racial problems, I don't think the answer is to point the finger too much at black people. The fact that they're big and good at fighting means we should be encouraging them to go into the police and army. I mean there's plenty of jobs around. If they're not happy throw in a banana or two, a skanky chav and their output should increase exponentially. Maybe some of those horsey toff girls as well, don't even need to pay them, lol.
Fair play to Starkey, these riots were started by and mainly carried by negroes, this is observable fact and It was a horrifying spectacle, it wont be the last and totally vindicates Enoch Powell, a great Englishman whose statue should replace that of foreign terrorist Nelson Mandela.
Starkey's comments are important to me in at least one respect. They confirm how many racist and bigoted people are out there ready to lay the blame of society's failure at the door of this so called nihilistic aspect of black culture. I don't think black people should be surprised but terribly disappointed.
Starkey is stirring up trouble by appealing to the emotions and not the intellect of the average person on the street. I think he is genuinely confused and is venting his own frustration.
British Heavy Metal is the answer. Suppressed by the british media due to its traditional working class roots its a great anti-depressant and great fun and encourages youngsters to pick up a guitar and join a band and not pick up a gun and join a gang. Wheres the future in warfare and violence. Look at the old british heavy metal bands of the 80's all still making music having fun and still going into their 60's motorhead/iron maiden/judas priest all millionaires and all still havin fun
It is our society which has produced the young people we saw looting. Our government is largely to be held accountable. I applaud those parents who manage to exert some control and restraint. over their offspring despite the licentiousness and immorality to which our young people are exposed today. 'Child protection' has been misinterpreted by many of our youngsters as the right to do as you like with impunity. Children (and adults) need to learn that there are rights and responsibilities.
Starkey's posturing about culture is nothing more than an attempt to cover his racist attitude and mindset. How can anyone in his right mind refer to someone's language or dialect as false? Starkey is obviously approaching senility and ought not to be taken too seriously; indeed, he ought to be pitied. What a shame when even a university education is unable to produce adults who are rational and objective and free from subjective ideas of racial supremacy.
Starkey is the MAN and perhaps you need to hold back from calling him a racist and do some thinking instead eh? You people supporting Multiculturalism and Mass Immigration are (albeit unknowingly) the largest supporters of globalization and the sooner we break these treacherous liberal fascist spell, the better.
He is racist. His label on Black Culture is generic and ignorant. White Black his definitions are crude and crap. NOT that simple and i get pissed off when supposedly intelligent people come out with this BS.To highlight Enoch Powell's - Rivers of Blood speech is Ridiculous He believed in maintaining a whip hand over the Black man in the time of British Empire.I dont know about anyone else but I saw white,black,mixed race,asian and other races on TV oh i guess they had jamaican parents.
@Gerry76alpha I've never heard Enoch Powell mention anything about a whip on the Black man. Did he for a fact? I'm sure people would love to believe it was a perfectly mixed crowd but the fact of the matter is it wasn't. Yes there were some White people in there and I don't think anybody is suggesting White people don't commit crimes. I don't find his definitions crude at all. I think you Brits are under the whip of Political Correctness. From across the pond you look like docile cattle.
@underself Firstly; why dont you actually read the Rivers of Blood speech, it will confirm what I have said.
Secondly it was a mixed crowd of many racial groups so your statement is Pathetic and obviously shows your prejudice.. Thirdly your not even British so please dont make comments about what you dont know for yourself.. I live in London and was actually here when the riots happened.
@underself And political correctness arose out of the need for people to be sensitive to people regardless of race,sex,sexuality and disability. Have you faced any discrimination simply because of what you are?
Enoch Powell and David Starkey are white supremacists and feel its ok to point the finger at Black people as the cause of societys ills.For a historian he chooses to be selective about history as do you.
@Gerry76alpha Black people are the least economically active people in the UK. With over half of them unemployed, they also are grossly over represented in crime stastics. I am just grateful that my country (Scotland) has no black communities or remotely significant black population.
@ScottishCaledonian The fact is whether you like it or not Black people are here to stay if you wanted to do anything about that you need to go back in time and stop you ancestors interferring with Afric and looting it for its people and gold. Learn some respect and read your history.
@Gerry76alpha Whites contributed everything to to Africans, we gave Africa, modern science, engineering, industry, agricultural methods, technology, medicine, infrastructure. Before that Africans were living in the stone age.
@Gerry76alpha What have sub saharan Africans invented ? The answer is NOTHING. All modern technology, science etc was brought to African by Europeans. Sub saharan Africans did not even farm as they were nomadic tribes.
You are the one that knows fuck all about history, Sub saharan Africans did not even have written languages.
@ScottishCaledonian Why the delineation to Sub-Saharan Africa as opposed to Africa? To be blunt there were always Black people in all parts of Africa and if you did read your history Africa was not in the stone age before Europeans as many like to assume.If you are not ignorant then read Black British, White British by Dillip Hiro it will give you insight to first contact between White and Black peoples unbiased and fully referenced.Then we can talk.
@Gerry76alpha Do not tell me to read a book I have no access to. I asked you a simple question what have sub saharan Africans contributed to knowledge. North Africa is almost exclusively populated by arabs. They are not black.
And personally, I prefer to read academic articles as opposed to bias books that have not been peer reviewed.
So please enlighten me, what have sub saharan africans contributed to knowledge ?
@ScottishCaledonian how about the evidence from the likes of Herodotus, Manetho, Diodorus Siculus, Sir Henry Rawlinson, Lord & Lady Lugard, Livingstone, National Geographic, Time Magazine, Thoman Hodgkin, Dr Victor Robinson, Prof Leo Frobenius, Dr Patrick Darling, Prof Ivan Van Sertima, Prof Cheikh Anta Diop, Dr Basil Davidson, Prof Yosef Ben-Jochannan, Prof Dmoochovski, The Petrie Musem, British Museum, M.Charles Dupuis, Count De Volney, Ptolemy Philadelphus, Bosworth Smith, Plutarch, Strabo,
@ScottishCaledonian Arnold Heeren, Sir William Jones, Jean-Francois Champollion, Godfrey Higgins, Prof George Rawlinson, Al-Bakri, Ibn Khaldun, Al-Idrissi, Al-Masudi, Ibn Battuta, G.R.S. Mead, Claperton, Barth, Capt. Stigand,Dr Leo Wiener, Sir E.A Wallis Budge, Francisco Alvarez, Cecilia Hill, Dr Phillip Smith, Major Dubois, Wilmot, Filippo Pigafetta, Polybius, Charles Darwin, Dr Charles Nelson, Prof Claudia Zaslavsky, Dr Charles Finch, Prof Fed Wendoorf, Scoch, Thomas Dobecki, Peter Eckler,
@ScottishCaledonian Almost ALL of them are White. Yes. I have deliberately given you academics from multiple dsiciplines (some multi-disciplined) that have all written, (and is recorded for all to see) works on Africa. What was there before European contact, after etc. Accounts of explorers, records of historians that have been passed down from the Greeks even that is still used today. They come from Harvard, Cambridge, Oxford, many other universities/musuems.academic sources. Go and READ.
@ScottishCaledonian Almost ALL of them are White. Yes. I have deliberately given you academics from multiple dsiciplines (some multi-disciplined) that have all written, (and is recorded for all to see) works on Africa. What was there before European contact, after etc. Accounts of explorers, records of historians that have been passed down from the Greeks even that is still used today. They come from Harvard, Cambridge, Oxford, many other universities/musuems.academic sources. Go and READ.
I've deliberately sourced "peer academics" as you put it, or academics that are white (since a lot of the time ppl that come with your arguments that no science, tech, culture or advance human habitation has emerged from 'sub-sahara' - a term which in itself is indicative of the early 20th Century whitewash of world history - none of y'all buy it unless it comes from a White academic with the exception of the Islamic historians/geographers, Diop, williams & Manetho (Egyptian Chronicler)
@ScottishCaledonian Prof Duncan MacNoughton, David Rohl, Eratosthenes, Sir Arthur Evans, Prof Fekri Hassan, Dr Chinwiezu, Prof Robin Williams, Hoffman, Dr Charles Finch, Anozie, Herbert Wendt, Peter Garlake, Guiness Book of Records, Berlin Museum, Felix Von Luschan, Dr Olfert Dapper, Landolphe, Capt Richard Burton, Blomert, Utzheimer, Dr FN Roth, Cyril Punch, Duarte Lopez, Ogilby, Royal records in Africa/Portugal/Holland, De Mezieres, Denis-Pierre de Pedrals, Serge /Denise Roberts, ibn Abd-Allah
@ScottishCaledonian There are MANY books available, and MANY sources of REAL true historical records/scientific review in such fields as HISTORY, GEOGRAPHY, GEOPHYSICS, ARCHAEOLOGY, EXPLORATION, CARBON DATING, MUSEUM CURATORS, PUBLISHERS, AUTHORS, WRITERS, SOLDIERS FROM VARIOUS EUROPEAN (PARTICULARLY BRITISH, DUTCH, GERMAN AND PORTUGUESE RECORDED ACCCOUNTS), stuff in museums on display at the present time, and evidence from peers from BCE to the modern day. When you've read all that, then talk.
@ScottishCaledonian The term Sub-Saharan is a catch all term invented in the early 20th Century to group dark skinned non-Arab Africans into a homogenous group when in fact they are the most diverse groupings on the planet. As far as contribution to invention or knowledge- define your term invention or knowledge AND the period you are talking about. That has a bearing on the answer. If you cannot understand that I suggest you go and read some history, & some of the academics I've mentioned.
@ScottishCaledonian Then u are being selective. No one ethnic group/empire/nation state has been dominant indefinitely so as not to have unbroken periods of development/decline, invention/stagnation. Time IS VERY RELEVANT. It's hard to INVENT when ur land/people/culture has been APPROPRIATED/ABSORBED/EXTINGUISHED/CONTROLLED/EXPORTED FORCIBLY. Harder still to RECORD your invention when SOMEONE ELSE OWNS the PATENT/MECHANISM FOR RELEASING INVENTION or doesn't RECOGNISE ur authority on anything
@ScottishCaledonian Come on, You have read academic articles, how is it you lack knowledge of the first hand accounts of British explorers, hell even Scottish ones? How is it you lack knowledge of European officers, European scientists, European Geographers, European Historians that corroborate the FACT that Africa had MANY advanced cultures pre-contact, in some cases simultaneously (Kongo, Mali, Ghana, Benin, kanem-Borno) These are peer reviewed. I've read them, have you?
@JayGriffinblaze I have asked you to name me examples of what sub saharan Africans have contributed to knowledge, discovered or invented, and you have been unable to answer and give me any examples. You have flatly refused to name any examples. I have nothing more to discuss, I will regard your refusal to name me an example of sub saharan contribution to knoweldge, as you are unable to. I have nothing more to discuss with you
@ScottishCaledonian Except I have. If you have really read accepted "academic peer reviewed evidence" You would be familiar with at least half of the academics I mentioned. Some of them are BIG historical figures. If you cannot accept their word, there is no point in discussing why there is little record (at least that an ignorant like you could perceive outside your hegemony world view) of Black achievement. But to humour you, I will in the next post.
@ScottishCaledonian As I've said, I named white academics because your earlier post to the other guy dismissed anyone which you deemed hadn't been "peer reviewed" which basically means "Non-whites I've never heard of and whose opinion I disregard anyway" . There were about 5 Black academics there, but I would expect you to know that since "you've read peer reviewed material" There are many more I could give you but I doubt you would pay any mind, so what would be the point? STOP USING SUB-SAHARA
@ScottishCaledonian actually there are large amounts of BLACK AFRICANS living in North Africa. They precede the Arabs by centuries. For example in Egypt in West and South of the Country, the population is distinctly dark-skinned. You don't see a lot of them on the tourist trails becaus ethey are discriminated against by fair skinned Arabs, who occupy the role Europeans do in N.African society towards their dark skinned countrymen. I'm not talking about immigrants/refugees either.
@ScottishCaledonian Should I highlight contributions of Africa and its people to the planet as a whole Or focus on inventions? See where your argument falls down is it precludes the many non-white peoples who have also contributed in day to day society in inventions and progressing humanity. It has never just been down to Whites as you put it and I have already given you sources you choose to denigrate.
Tell me, did you get an A for your oversimplifed prejudice?
@Gerry76alpha I am not asking you to list the achievments and contributions of the entire planet. For the third time I will repeat what I asked you previously. Its a very simple quesiton, what has sub saharan africans contributed to knowledge ?
Would you care to answer the quesiton instead of attemtpting to dodge it. Its a very, very simple question. I am not asking what europe or america has contributed, I am asking what knowledge has sub saharan african contributed to the world.
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JayGriffinblaze 1 month ago
@PatAttack1000 What the fuck?! So you enjoy and agree listening to him spout his this bullshit. He's a fucking racist pig and quite frankly should be jailed. I am not the brainwashed one you 'cretinous, idiotic' piece of shit. Fuck off and take your BNP/EDL views with you, prick! It's people like you that drag the fucking human race down! You should be shot!
JackGamer193 1 month ago
@JackGamer193 David Starkey is an incredibly intelligent academic who is worth listening to. You are sponsoring the destruction of western civilisation as we know it by spouting this pro-multicultural and ultimately anti-white nonsense. And the fact that you are calling for a rational individual who wishes to preserve the heritage of his country which made it so great to be SHOT just shows how sick you are. 'Drag the human race down'? Sounds like eugenics buddy!
211Anon 1 month ago
@211Anon He is in no way intelligent. He is stuck in the past just like you. It's not about being "anti-white" one of the main reasons being I am white, and neither is it about multiculturalism. It's about basic respect for other human beings. And how the fuck am "sponsoring the destruction of western civilisation" if anything he is. Heritage is meant for a damn museum, not modern political/cultural ideology. And I'm not sick but he should be, the world would be a better place.
JackGamer193 1 month ago
@211Anon And why do you have so much against supposed multiculturalism when Britain is in itself and always has been for the past 2500 years a melting pot of ethnicity/culture and language. You're a fool to think the world and it's people will move at a pace to suit outdated idiot's like Starkey and yourself because you would like to stare back at the prosperous past rather than the bleak future a while longer, rather than trying to make the future of this country better. Idealistic racist.
JackGamer193 1 month ago
@JackGamer193 'Racist', the classic label to be slapped on anybody who dares disagree with the leftist agenda. Of course he is intelligent, do you think a professor at the LSE isn't, whether you agree with him or not? Britain has only ever prospered as mono-cultural society. The arrivals of the various Germanic tribes brought with them long periods of instability and violence. The Norman invasion saw the subjugation of the Anglo-Saxons for many a year, until much time melted the two together.
211Anon 1 month ago
@211Anon @JackGamer193 also. Guys you both make brilliant points that are confused due to emotional keyboard warrior type communication. A multicultural society is great! Obviously it is i am a product of it myself (not using that as a reason haha). I teaches others how to respect and understand things that might otherwise prove difficult. However that is racial, racial culture is accepted and loved however things like religious/gang culture are entirely different matters...
DoTheHustle1 1 month ago
@211Anon @Jackgamer193 This because gang culture creates a 'us vs. them' scenario where only one side can be right.. The thing is gang culture manages to glorify everything that most other cultures hate, ie violence, rebellion etc. The boys who were rioting on the streets are taking part in a culture completely separate to any racial culture and so the cannot be described as a representation for any branch of 'black culture'. The drug dealing looting ect culture theyve made needs tostop
DoTheHustle1 1 month ago
@JackGamer193 Britain's finest years were those of a strong monocultural society that saw little to no immigration. And if there was immigration, it was in small quantities meaning that the new arrivals were forced to assimilate. I have a pressing question for you: What actual benefits has multiculturalism brought with it? Don't give me any trivial things like exotic food choices, but real benefits for all people. I'm curious to hear your answer.
211Anon 1 month ago
@211Anon Same in the US. Except the worse part of the problem is the illegal immigration from the Southern border. Uncontrolled or massive importation of foreign culture results in ethnic clumping and "us" and "them" thinking within a society. Then the social conflicts arise, and politicians manipulate it in order to get power. If immigrants (legal or illegal) would subscribe to "when in Rome, DO as the Romans" (assimilation), we wouldn't have these problems.
LechDharma 1 month ago
@211Anon I'm not answering that stupid question. People don't come to this country to serve your every fucking need and they aren't here to 'bring benefits'. But as your so outwards thinking I'll point you inward. What real benefit is there to everyone being of one culture? And don't give me 'everybody gets along' because nobody ever does human beings are susceptible to being irritated by people like you. At the end of the day we are all human. It's people like you that hold humanity back, sorry
JackGamer193 1 month ago
@JackGamer193 Typical no-white desperate to live with whites in white society
ScottishCaledonian 1 month ago
@ScottishCaledonian I am pure white and Welsh which makes me Celtic born and most likely, by your stupid ideology, more 'deserving' to be in Britain.
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This is the best way of combating narcissistic, arrogant, conceited little pricks like Starkey ...take the piss out of them! :D
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JayGriffinblaze 5 months ago
@JayGriffinblaze LOL
ScottishCaledonian 5 months ago
As expected, the populations from Central Asia group together and away from the South Asian ones, however, there is a segregation of North Pakistan with populations from Central Asia, whereas South Pakistan shares a closer affinity to populations to the west."
ScottishCaledonian 5 months ago
Turkish populations reported by Cinniog¢ lu et al. (2004)
(an average of 9 groups and 19 haplogroups per population)
and also include polymorphic frequencies of
many of the lineages observed in Turkey (i.e., E3b1-
M78, Eb3-M123, G-M201, the collective J-12f2, J2-
M172, and R1a1-M17). Many of these haplogroups are
common throughout the Middle East and Europe as
well, and several are thought to have arisen somewhere
within this range (Underhill et al. 2001b).
ScottishCaledonian 5 months ago
an mtDNA study of modern Egyptians from the Gurna region near Thebes in Southern Egypt revealed that Eurasian haplogroups represented 61% of the population,
ScottishCaledonian 5 months ago
The main influx of foreign genes comes in 7-10 & 13-17 dynasties unsurprisingly the Intermediate periods when they were ruled by invaders from the Middle East & Europe. This is the period where your samples are usually taken from, and only cover a period of no more than a few hundred years in total, conveniently omitting the centuries of unbroken rule in between.
Like I said. You aren't on my level academically. I suggest you go & read & stop reading old ideological supremacist science
JayGriffinblaze 5 months ago
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ScottishCaledonian 5 months ago
7.) Egyptian populations from the Paleolithic period (abt 35,000BCE) to the pre-dynastic period (Badarian & proto-Egyptian culture) display physical features common to Africoids with associated traits. Features which resembled or were thought to show Caucasoid influence, with modern anthropology has been shown to be attributable to natural selection (eg Khoisan, look Chinese - they live in a desert, C.Africans aborigines are shorter, they live in forests)
JayGriffinblaze 5 months ago
6.) Egyptians made a BIG DEAL about their origins. There's TONS of stuff about this. The Egyptian word 'Khentiu' means 'Lands of the South'. It also means 'first', 'foremost', 'beginnings' or 'chief', '. 'Yau' means Old, as in 'The Old Country'. The word for West & Right is the same word. (This means they orientated themselves to the south - their place of origin).
JayGriffinblaze 5 months ago
The truth is that MANY shades are depicted, reflecting the diversity of hues that exist amongst African populations - There is more diversity genotypically & phenotypically amongst Blacks than ANY other ethnic groupings. Champollion (founderof Egyptology) confirms this.There is sooo much evidence it is unreal, much survives to this day, even amongst African populations.
JayGriffinblaze 5 months ago
This is the reason some Egyptologists believe they were depicting different races when they were drawing say Nubians (Ramsses). Many depictions show them in the same jet black colour (Temple of Ramsses III). Modern Nuba wrestlers paint red-yellow colours for ceremonies. Mentuhotep I, Thutmose I, Tutankhamun, Thutmose III all have jet black depictions. Thutmose has both. They could not have been both dark & lighter so the colour HAS to be symbolic. Many New Kingdom artworks show dark skins
JayGriffinblaze 5 months ago
5) In art. Egyptians used a particular aesthetic in their art, linked to religion. (still prevalent in most African cultures today). The convention was to paint men with a reddish hue in their skin, women with a yellow one. Where these crossover are usually when the artists is using propaganda to elevate the objects status (For example Hapshepsut wanted to portray herself as a Pharoah in the same right as a man (Pharoahs had to be validated by a queen, still prevalent today) so was red.
JayGriffinblaze 5 months ago
4.) Herodotus (1st Western (Greek) historian in recorded history himself says) Egyptians were Black skinned with wooly hair - Book II "The Histories". If you conveniently refute this, then u also have to refute the writings of Aeschylus, Arsitotle, Galen, Heliodorus, Diodourus, Lucian & Apollodorius - ALL who corroborate Herodotus on Egyptian ethnicity/appearance.
Dr Madden (1820) & Capt Richard Burton (1883) Egyptologists examining skulls confirm this. Most skulls found are dolicephalic
JayGriffinblaze 5 months ago
Joseph Greenberg (US Linguist/anthropologist from Yale) one of great distinction in the world & Dr Christopher Ehret have shown that Semitic, so-called Afro-Asiatic langs are actually derivatives of the Kemetic, in Ethiopia/Eritraea. These areas today have the MOST amount of semitic langs spoken than ANYWHERE ELSE in the world, incl Kushitic ones. Even Herodotus says this when he talks about the origins of the Phoenicians (Eritraea)
JayGriffinblaze 5 months ago
Kemetic (even to this day is the root of many African langs, esp W.African) Even the words are the same. Words in ENGLISH originate from this root. For example. You may have heard of the country Nigeria, Niger, or the river Niger, or even the word Nigger, and its parent words from Latin, passed down across centuries. This is from the Khemetic root 'NGR" (Kemetic lang did not write vowels, meaning conveyed in tone/accent/stress (still true in African langs today) for the area nr the river
JayGriffinblaze 5 months ago
All 19th/20thC fallacies, misnomers & deliberate misdirections on Egypt can easily be countered with today's evidence. It's whether Europeans like you can handle what the truth points to. The evidence is in the same material you use to disprove Egyptian 'African-ness'. More of us are educated & widely read enough to understand, extrapolate the date, with more familiarity with African culture that Europeans deliberately isolate to justify their hegemony rendition.
JayGriffinblaze 5 months ago
being educated in white society eliminates their invention or intellect, merely by living/studying in white countries? Is a white person studying in Africa then subsequently dumbed down by being in an African university? U have nothing, read nothing, & u close your mind to evidence in front of u. Yet u claim you aren't racist. This conversation is over. I've given you sources from ur own European heritage. You wouldn't be able to handle suppositions from Blacks anyway. I suggest you read.
JayGriffinblaze 5 months ago
@JayGriffinblaze For the 10th time, name me exampls of contributions to knowledge, or inventions by Sub saharan Africans.
ScottishCaledonian 5 months ago
Metalworking, glass, agriculture, fishing based culture, calender, brewing, international trade, large scale stonemasonry, animal husbandry, art, song, dance, mythology, astronomy, ore prospecting, astrology, astronomy, medicine, surgery, advanced engineering, guilds, monument building, Pi, Trigonometry, Missile weapons, swordmaking, universities, trading language, geology, weather forecasting, lithology, anatomy, Co-occurence, smallpox innoculation (Liberia 16thC) the list is endless.
JayGriffinblaze 5 months ago
@JayGriffinblaze None of those things were invented or discovered by sub saharan blacks, you are a liar.
ScottishCaledonian 5 months ago
@ScottishCaledonian earliest descriptions are recorded as being administered by African slaves on British plantations in the W.Indies & in the US in the 17th up to mid 18thCs, & were deemed to be practicing techniques for innoculation that had been transplanted from their homelands. Lady Montagu in1717 (British)who observed this same practice from the Turks, decades BEFORE Jenner's discovery. Islamic records corroborate that this practice had been inherited from antiquity from African migrants
JayGriffinblaze 5 months ago
On the Calender: Mainstream science accredits this to Mesopotamia. I ask you this, African civilizations were the 1st to develop co-occurence - the ability to notice patterns in nature. Once u have this u can determine the best places to plant seeds, grow crops, favourable soil types, rainfall, bushfires, weather, agriculture (millet) and know the best times to plant. In fact many religious systems/calenders are based around agricultural/wet dry season weather patterns.
JayGriffinblaze 5 months ago
@JayGriffinblaze The Calendar was not invented by sub saharan Blacks, sub saharan blacksa did not have a written language. Nor did sub saharan blacks devlop trigonometry, PI, or any trading language. You are a liar. The Small pox vaccine was discovered by Edward Jenner in 1796, who acted upon his observation that milkmaids who caught the cowpox virus did not catch smallpox. You have listed lie after lie
ScottishCaledonian 5 months ago
@ScottishCaledonian No lies. You just aren't learned enough becuz you are entrenched in early 20th Century thinking which paints a different spin on teh achievements of non-Europeans. It was the only way you could justify colonialism in the face of worldwide uprising in the colonies. I'll break it down for you. whether you will believe them is another matter. But like I've said, I've cited your own academics to back my claims. You can't.
JayGriffinblaze 5 months ago
@JayGriffinblaze Your a liar, everything you have written has been a blatant lie. Sub saharan Africans did not even have a wrriten language. And you claim that they discovered trigonometry and PI (Ancient Greece). Your a despicable liar.
ScottishCaledonian 5 months ago
@ScottishCaledonian On Trigonometry. Yes they did. Pythagoras, Archimedes, Herodotus, Conon, Eratasthenes, Archimedes, Plato and so on ALL spent time in Egypt studying, before taking their acquired knowledge and introducing them to Europe. BY THEIR OWN ACCOUNT. Go and read THEIR words if you don't believe mine. The only one that DIDN'T attribute his knowledge to what he learned in Egypt and travels to other lands was Archimedes - and we know why. The equations he uses are the same.
JayGriffinblaze 5 months ago
The Egyptians (and therefore the inheritors that later populated west and central and Eastern Africa after the fall of Rome, when Europe was experiencing so-called Dark Ages, before Islamic expansion (and after) were familiar with Pi to only a few decimal places out. They used 3 as opposed to 3.14, but in practice the dimensions are the same (they knew they were slightly out) Religions in Africa maintain similar geometrics & mathematics. The maths is complex & there isn't enough space to detail.
JayGriffinblaze 5 months ago
@ScottishCaledonian I've answered every one of your questions, yet you are yet to answer even one of mine. I don't expect u to. Maybe you are alarmed by the fact that a Black man knows and has studied your own history and has uncovered the truth that bigots like you try to hide. That's why all you can come with is evidence of invention questions (when you control all the mechanisms by which this is adjudged & validated). I'm not doing this for you. I'm doing this for others to see the truth.
JayGriffinblaze 5 months ago
@JayGriffinblaze The Egyptians were not black, only a small proportion of egyptian underclass were nubian. Luis, Rowold et al. found that the diverse NRY haplotypes observed in a population of mixed Arabs and Berbers found that the majority of haplogroups, about 59% were of Eurasian origin. They found that markers signaling the Neolithic expansion from the Middle East constitute the predominant component.
ScottishCaledonian 5 months ago
@ScottishCaledonian I was wondering when u would raise that comon fallacy. Most 19th/20thC Egyptology and ALL literature & other sources of info on the Egyptians comes from a period (deliberately) when they were rule dby foreigners. For example, During the Intermediate periods, or Hyksos dynasties, or in the case of the Eurasian haplotypes u refer to, from the Ptolamaeic period when of course Macedonian Greece had conquered & settled in those lands, assuming their culture/religion with theirs.
JayGriffinblaze 5 months ago
It's misconception that Egyptians were not Black. As I've said, there were many periods in which Egypt was not ruled by True Egyptians, but invaders. Eg. Senosrit .So I will use evidence laid down by the Egyptians AND Europeans' accounts living IN Egypt. The same evidence which is used to confirm other things about Europe, but selectively omits the rest of the info which would reveal their ethnic origins.
Oh & if u want to have any credibility, don't copy the Wikipedia entry ad verbatim.
JayGriffinblaze 5 months ago
@JayGriffinblaze The ancient egyptians are not black, nor are they sub saharan, and there is NOTHING wrong with citing wikipedia as long as you check their sources. DNA testing on egyptian remains from different layers of egpytian civilisaiton has showed that the ancient egyptians were predominantley descended from Eurasia and the midde east
ScottishCaledonian 5 months ago
@ScottishCaledonian except u copied Wiki & didn't cite what u were referencing. I have and I didn't need Wiki. I've also disproved your contention and the motivation for your contention. You have not cited anything other than a Wiki ref to disprove what I have contested back at you. Believe what you like, the truth is out there. I have 100s of scientific studies that confirm they were NOT Eurasian. When u have something come back to me. I'll knock that out the ball park too.
I'm done.
JayGriffinblaze 5 months ago
@JayGriffinblaze You have not proved anything, and the Wikipedia excerpt is cited from an academic journal. And no you do not have 100s of scientific studies, you are a liar.
ScottishCaledonian 5 months ago
@ScottishCaledonian Clearly you don't read. You didn't cite the reference. You just copied the exact paragraph even the authors that the paragraph was cited from in the same order THAT poster wrote it in. You've not cited where THAT was taken from. I've already listed many anthropologists, linguists, Egyptologists, Geophysicists, Orientalists, historians and geneticists work in answering every one of ur submissions, when & where from. I've read them while u vicariously quote from Wiki.
JayGriffinblaze 5 months ago
@JayGriffinblaze You are sputing gibberish and nonsense on purpose in order to make a very obscure and ambigous argument. I have cited a valid source regarding the genetic history of ancient egyptians and you have retorted with very obscure nonsensical, unsubstantiated rubbish.
ScottishCaledonian 5 months ago
@ScottishCaledonian Ok ignoramus. The United Nations SCIENTIFIC & CULTURAL Organization is gibberish? I refer u AGAIN to the 1974 Symposium :
The Peopling of Ancient Egypt and the Deciphering of Meroitic Script, January 28-February 3, 1974 (Paris: UNESCO,)
If already told you 20 of the world's top Eqyptologist/Antrhopologists attended. I recommend you read the findings of that symposium. That alone blows your 'genetic haplotype' theory, even if you disregard the ARTEFACTS. Now FUCK OFF.
JayGriffinblaze 5 months ago
@JayGriffinblaze The Genetic testing of ancient egpytian remains is conclusive, you have posted irrelevent, nonsensical gibberish. The "Peopling of Ancient Egypt and the Deciphering of Meroitic Script, January 28-February 3, 1974 (Paris: UNESCO,)" is completely meaningless to this argument, you are attemtping to spam this thread with ambigous, obscure nonsense. And I doubt your academic credentials that you smugly claim.
ScottishCaledonian 5 months ago
@ScottishCaledonian This has been sourced from a.) Proceedings from the Royal Society B: Biological Sciences in July 2009. b.) the Genetic Structure and History of Africans and African Americans,” Science 324, 22 May 2009) work with such geneticists as : Sarah A. Tishkoff, Floyd A. Reed, F. R. Friedlaender, Alessia Ranciaro whom he worked with.
You might consider it obscure, but the science is UNESCO recognised.
JayGriffinblaze 5 months ago
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ScottishCaledonian 5 months ago
You are are copying and pasting citations you have found on the internet.
ScottishCaledonian 5 months ago
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@JayGriffinblaze I have just looked at those citaitons and they have nothing to do with this argument, you are posting obscure nonsense.
ScottishCaledonian 5 months ago
haha well if u were reading u would find out WHY that is relevant since top Egyptologists were able to determine this all amongst themselves. So it's not really meaningless, unless you have an agenda to whitewash or veto anything which doesn't coincide with what you WANT to believe, and OTHER scientists that support ur world view can cook up. You can doubt my credentials, this is Youtube after all, but you have no idea who I am or what my connections, access or affiliations might be.
JayGriffinblaze 5 months ago
@JayGriffinblaze Those citations have nothing to do with the genetic history of the ancient egyptians, you are posting obscure nonsense, and copying and pasting completely irrelevent citations.
ScottishCaledonian 5 months ago
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ScottishCaledonian 5 months ago
@JayGriffinblaze Oh and can I just point out that your obscure citation is about 40 years old
ScottishCaledonian 5 months ago
@ScottishCaledonian then maybe these more recent studies will shut u up till u pull out the next Wiki citation u will use to justify ur racist ideologues. I already mentioned Dr Ehret work.
JayGriffinblaze 5 months ago
@JayGriffinblaze It was not wikipedia who did the study. It was merely cited on wikipedia.
ScottishCaledonian 5 months ago
@JayGriffinblaze Dr Ehret work is completely outdated. And has nothing to do with this topic.
ScottishCaledonian 5 months ago
@ScottishCaledonian work from 2009 is outdated? So you can copy & paste from Wikipedia, not even having read the sources, but when I answer your questions I am copying and pasting from the internet?
Yeah I'm really copy pasting random things in response to every point in this debate. It's also in vernacular, how would I be able to find so many diff sources? Since u can't believe any person of colour can be intelligent enough to be academic,to acquire knowledge or read. RACIST.
JayGriffinblaze 5 months ago
@JayGriffinblaze Those two citations you posted have nothing to do with the genetic history of ancient egyptians, you are posting very obscure and ambgious information in order to try to make a confusing and ambigous argument. Your argument is nonsensical.
Anyway please tell me what sub saharan blacks contributed to knoweldge, and no the ancient egyptians are not sub saharan blacks.
ScottishCaledonian 5 months ago
@ScottishCaledonian You guys ALWAYS say that, when faced with evidence. Confusing? Ambiguous? Obscure? yeah about as obscure as a granite stele with hieroglyphics can be. And as obscure as a genetic study with opposite findings to the one you support, which must be nonsensical because it destroys your argument, despite being clearly outlined and covering science, culture, language, anthropology and archaeology. So you bring it back to your invention question. Answer MY questions fool.
JayGriffinblaze 5 months ago
you only saw 2 citations? lmao
JayGriffinblaze 5 months ago
@JayGriffinblaze "Within the plot, the populations of Egypt, Iraq, Yemen, Qatar, Oman, UAE, Syria and Lebanon occupy an intermediate position with populations from Africa to one side and Anatolia, Caucasus, Iranian Plateau, Central Asia and South Asia on the other. Of note, for the observed partitioning is the affinity of Egypt to populations from the Arabian Peninsula. Furthermore, Yemen and Qatar segregate together but separate from their neighboring population
ScottishCaledonian 5 months ago
@ScottishCaledonian Yawn yawn yawn wiki wiki wiki - you're doing it so blatantly now. Come with something better than inconclusive scientific hegemony studies, when there are just as many with the same evidence that say the opposite. That's not to include all the other evidence that exists not related to DNA analysis.
JayGriffinblaze 5 months ago
@JayGriffinblaze That has not come from wikipedia
ScottishCaledonian 5 months ago
@ScottishCaledonian I don't care anymore. I'm tired and have better things to do with my time, than argue indefinitely to a stalemate with a racist who dismisses anything and everything which doesn't support his view. But I see you on a lot of the other vids, so I'll be looking out for you...... Shame. Actually thought this would be a decent intellectual debate.
JayGriffinblaze 5 months ago
@JayGriffinblaze My post came from the American journal of Human genetics, not wikipedia, and my citations are studies into the genetic history of the egyptians. You posted ambigous rubbish, you cannot be bothered anymore because you cannot refute.
ScottishCaledonian 5 months ago
@JayGriffinblaze Before you go have a look at this and educate yourself - "The Levant versus the Horn of Africa: Evidence for Bidirectional Corridors of Human Migrations" © 2004 by The American Society Of Human Genetics. All rights reserved Am J Hum Genet. 2004 March; 74(3): 532–544.
Published online 2004 February 17.
ScottishCaledonian 5 months ago
@JayGriffinblaze Y-chromosome Diversity Characterizes the Gulf of the Oman (click for full study),
Alicia M. Cadenas et. al. 2007
ScottishCaledonian 5 months ago
@ScottishCaledonian dude it's not MY citation, those were the results decided on by the scientific community then. That work has been developed on since. If u were READING, u would notice I said ur contestion WAS refuted in 1974. There have been as many DNA studies in recent times confirming the opposite of what you say. Y'all just don't wanna listen. Like I said. this isn't for u, this is for others to read and learn since there are many like you trying to suppress this info.
JayGriffinblaze 5 months ago
@JayGriffinblaze I never said it was your research or study. And again your argument is ambigous and nonsensical.
ScottishCaledonian 5 months ago
@JayGriffinblaze The majority of J in greater North Africa according to the below study is of a single motif which is attributed to 7th Century Islamic era Arab expansion from the Arabian peninsula rather than a Neolithic origin such as in Ethiopia. These results are consistent with the proposal that this haplotype was diffused in recent time by Arabs who, mainly from the 7th century a.d., expanded to northern Africa (Nebel et al. 2002).
ScottishCaledonian 5 months ago
Respond to this video... The NRY composition of the Egyptian and Omani
collections exhibits a greater Middle Eastern versus sub-
Saharan affinity. The cumulative frequency of typical
sub-Saharan lineages is
9% in Egypt and 10% in Oman, whereas the haplogroups
of Eurasian origin account
for 59% and 77%, respectively. These profiles
display levels of diversity similar to those of the nine
ScottishCaledonian 5 months ago
@JayGriffinblaze A study by Krings et al. from 1999 on mitochondrial DNA clines along the Nile Valley found that a Eurasian cline runs from Northern Egypt to Southern Sudan, and a Sub-Saharan cline extends from Southern Sudan to Northern Egypt.[22] Another study based on maternal lineages links modern Egyptians with people from modern Eritrea/Ethiopia such as the Afro-Asiatic-speaking Tigre.[23] Similarly,
ScottishCaledonian 5 months ago
@JayGriffinblaze
Trigonometry is a field of mathematics first compiled by 2nd century BCE by the Greek mathematician Hipparchus. The history of trigonometry and of trigonometric functions follows the general lines of the history of mathematics.
ScottishCaledonian 5 months ago
@ScottishCaledonian what did you Wiki that? That is the Western rendition of the history of Trigonometry. Hipparchus also got his ideas from the Chaldeans in Babylonia. Babylonian (and their contemporaries in Mesopotamia cultures all trace their ancestry to the civ we now know as Sumerians, who trace in all their creation myths and records (tablets in musuems) from East Africa with descriptions of what they looked like. (Enki) This was the land known to the Egyptians as Kush.
JayGriffinblaze 5 months ago
@ScottishCaledonian then show me evidence which contests my evidence to prove they did not.
JayGriffinblaze 5 months ago
@JayGriffinblaze 1.) All surviving statues of the Old Kingdom dynasties portray rulers with African features without exception. This is undisputable. Pierre Montet - French Egyptologist.
2.) The myth of a Caucasian invasion in the 1st dynasty comes from Narmer's tablet, & The Instruction of Merikare. The tablet records the victories of Narmer (Mena) over his enemies (notably the Caucasians - which is argued means they must have been there already to be removed) Kheti VII (10thD) uses this
JayGriffinblaze 5 months ago
to instruct Merikare his son, on how to govern. Its clear from the texts they considered them enemies & they had caused trouble in Egyptian lands for time immemorial.
Why would they consider their own people enemies (if they WERE Cauc, enough that in Stele, tablets, governance, Papyrii they go thru the trouble of declaring them long standing enemies, since the time of the 1stD?
JayGriffinblaze 5 months ago
3.) Until recently, the Egyptian language was regarded as Semitic (Middle Eastern) therefore foreign. This is also a lie. This has been refuted FINALLY since the 1974 UNESCO symposium. 20 of the world's LEADING Egyptologists were able to show MASSES of comparisons of linguistic comparisons/derivatives/evolutions from Kemetic. This is found in modern languages in West to Central to East Africa in languages like Wolof (Senegalese) Mali, and ALL the Bantu language tree (ALL other African langs)
JayGriffinblaze 5 months ago
@scottishCaledonian You show your ignorance, & lack of reading. I'm well aware of Jenner's discovery to the strain that afflicted Europeans (not the same strain as that affected Africans) and when it was made. U want empirical evidence I refer u to a Cambridge paper in 1975 by Eugene W. Herbert (Yale university). It is mentioned widely across different parts of Africa, as a practice mostly used in Western & Central Africa, & in Sudan/Ethiopia even Southern Africa.
JayGriffinblaze 5 months ago
@ScottishCaledonian On Trading Language: Err dumbass where do you think Linear script B comes from? The only reason we know about Mycaenaen Greece (precursor to classical) is bcuz this was the language Egypt used to communicate with its vassals, allies and trading partners - Linear B, later known as Mycenaean Greek. If you look at the Glyphs the similarities are obvious. The same language inherited by the phoenicians (the sea peoples), later the Carthaginians. Go and read your OWN history.
JayGriffinblaze 5 months ago
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George E Alcorn - x-ray spectrometer which caused him to win the NASA inventor of the year award in 1984, George w carver - peanut butter. Jack Johnson the wrench. Granville Woods air brakes &egg incubator.
JayGriffinblaze 5 months ago
Daniel H. Williams- 1st successful open heart surgery. Elijah McCoy - automatic lubricator. Fredrick Jones - 1st automatic refrigeration system used in trucks, . Otis Boykin improved the electric resistor so it can now be used in computers, radios & TV, James E West - electronic microphone. Garrett A Morgan- traffic light & gas mask,
JayGriffinblaze 5 months ago
@JayGriffinblaze Those blacks were educated by whites, lived in white society and learned in white universities. I repeat, for the 9th time, what have sub saharan Africans contributed to knowledge, discovered or invented
ScottishCaledonian 5 months ago
DEFINE your parameters dumbass. For the 6th time. Modern invention, Industrial invention, Rennaissance invention, Medieval invention, Ancient invention, pre-historical invention. As I said. BECAUSE of history u can't pluck an arbitrary paradigm like that (I suspect u regard modern invention as the only valid form as well, despite how thatis tainted BY history)
JayGriffinblaze 5 months ago
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@JayGriffinblaze For the 7th time. Name me examples of contributions to knowledge, or inventions by sub saharan blacks ?
I do not need to define my parameters as it is a simple question.
ScottishCaledonian 5 months ago
What, nothing to say?? You racists love to kick shit to soem Black people that may not know their history, or the European history for that matter. But some of us do.... and we are educating EVERYBODY. You won't be able to hide behind the lie of dominance, hegemony and control any longer. Academically you aren't even on my level if I was jacked up on crystal meth or ketamine!
JayGriffinblaze 5 months ago
You think what he was racist?| You poor morons...
grantmitch1 5 months ago
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Seriously, white people if running away from responsibility, borrowing trillions of dollars, attacking the defenseless, stuffing women in dumpsters and fucking little boys is how you demonstrate your might, you may as well just give up now. I thought the British were a people of conquerors as they once controlled most of the world. Now, they are a shadow of their former selves crying about us BIG, BAD, BLACK MEN. This is too damn rich. Ha ha ha
denilson200 5 months ago
Faggits
iiMovementzZz 5 months ago
This is funny, saying "black culture" is violent. Have you ever looked at your own history? Please, name one country that was never taken over by white people...
sf49ersrule 5 months ago
David Starkey is right! I am went to a comprhensive and had misfortune of hearing the fucking patwa crap myself everyday from either illiterate idiots or desperate gangsta wannabes. The funny thing is these marxist teachers (even the english teachers) never corrected these fools to speak actual english. I guess just like teaching too high standards they were far too lazy for that too.
Multiculuralism is curse btw I am not white before you liberal loon crybabies start pulling the racist card.
LibertarianUK 6 months ago
During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act.
merseynational 6 months ago
--our ability to conduct research effectively which means their budgets can decrease. I think best bet, get in more Poles, Ukrainians etc. Boot out all the evil Asian freaks to where they came from. Impose massive taxes on Indian corner shops but give the Paki ones tax cuts. Introduce a Mongolian/Russian awareness month to highlight problems in their psychology. And yeah, that's the answer. I hope someone powerful works it out as well. If you don't live within like 1000 miles fuck off. Simple!
wiredboy27 6 months ago
The real threat, as should be obvious to anyone with any common sense is the threat of highly populated Asia, and India as well. Muslims are no threat at all. Haven't been for years. Asia is a more serious threat as their only benefit to us is Japan. The rest of the whole massive area is pointless for us. From their perspective they want to rape Europe and turn it into a 3rd world shithole, the reason being they are insecure of their tiny cocks. That way they can save money too by sabotaging
wiredboy27 6 months ago
Well there are major racial problems, I don't think the answer is to point the finger too much at black people. The fact that they're big and good at fighting means we should be encouraging them to go into the police and army. I mean there's plenty of jobs around. If they're not happy throw in a banana or two, a skanky chav and their output should increase exponentially. Maybe some of those horsey toff girls as well, don't even need to pay them, lol.
wiredboy27 6 months ago
Fair play to Starkey, these riots were started by and mainly carried by negroes, this is observable fact and It was a horrifying spectacle, it wont be the last and totally vindicates Enoch Powell, a great Englishman whose statue should replace that of foreign terrorist Nelson Mandela.
wallpaper72 6 months ago
Starkey's comments are important to me in at least one respect. They confirm how many racist and bigoted people are out there ready to lay the blame of society's failure at the door of this so called nihilistic aspect of black culture. I don't think black people should be surprised but terribly disappointed.
Starkey is stirring up trouble by appealing to the emotions and not the intellect of the average person on the street. I think he is genuinely confused and is venting his own frustration.
philinkuwait 6 months ago
he spits pretty well brethren, mc starkey.
VengeanceIsMineBitch 6 months ago
British Heavy Metal is the answer. Suppressed by the british media due to its traditional working class roots its a great anti-depressant and great fun and encourages youngsters to pick up a guitar and join a band and not pick up a gun and join a gang. Wheres the future in warfare and violence. Look at the old british heavy metal bands of the 80's all still making music having fun and still going into their 60's motorhead/iron maiden/judas priest all millionaires and all still havin fun
theNWOBHMJUNKIE 6 months ago
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It is our society which has produced the young people we saw looting. Our government is largely to be held accountable. I applaud those parents who manage to exert some control and restraint. over their offspring despite the licentiousness and immorality to which our young people are exposed today. 'Child protection' has been misinterpreted by many of our youngsters as the right to do as you like with impunity. Children (and adults) need to learn that there are rights and responsibilities.
philinkuwait 6 months ago
Starkey's posturing about culture is nothing more than an attempt to cover his racist attitude and mindset. How can anyone in his right mind refer to someone's language or dialect as false? Starkey is obviously approaching senility and ought not to be taken too seriously; indeed, he ought to be pitied. What a shame when even a university education is unable to produce adults who are rational and objective and free from subjective ideas of racial supremacy.
philinkuwait 6 months ago
David Starkey: "I have become black." Complete genius. Brilliant work.
pdcomedy 6 months ago
God this is hilarious. Brilliant.
Derwydd3 6 months ago
Starkey is the MAN and perhaps you need to hold back from calling him a racist and do some thinking instead eh? You people supporting Multiculturalism and Mass Immigration are (albeit unknowingly) the largest supporters of globalization and the sooner we break these treacherous liberal fascist spell, the better.
underself 6 months ago
He is racist. His label on Black Culture is generic and ignorant. White Black his definitions are crude and crap. NOT that simple and i get pissed off when supposedly intelligent people come out with this BS.To highlight Enoch Powell's - Rivers of Blood speech is Ridiculous He believed in maintaining a whip hand over the Black man in the time of British Empire.I dont know about anyone else but I saw white,black,mixed race,asian and other races on TV oh i guess they had jamaican parents.
Gerry76alpha 6 months ago 2
@Gerry76alpha I've never heard Enoch Powell mention anything about a whip on the Black man. Did he for a fact? I'm sure people would love to believe it was a perfectly mixed crowd but the fact of the matter is it wasn't. Yes there were some White people in there and I don't think anybody is suggesting White people don't commit crimes. I don't find his definitions crude at all. I think you Brits are under the whip of Political Correctness. From across the pond you look like docile cattle.
underself 6 months ago
@underself Firstly; why dont you actually read the Rivers of Blood speech, it will confirm what I have said.
Secondly it was a mixed crowd of many racial groups so your statement is Pathetic and obviously shows your prejudice.. Thirdly your not even British so please dont make comments about what you dont know for yourself.. I live in London and was actually here when the riots happened.
Gerry76alpha 6 months ago
@underself And political correctness arose out of the need for people to be sensitive to people regardless of race,sex,sexuality and disability. Have you faced any discrimination simply because of what you are?
Enoch Powell and David Starkey are white supremacists and feel its ok to point the finger at Black people as the cause of societys ills.For a historian he chooses to be selective about history as do you.
Gerry76alpha 6 months ago
@Gerry76alpha Black people are the least economically active people in the UK. With over half of them unemployed, they also are grossly over represented in crime stastics. I am just grateful that my country (Scotland) has no black communities or remotely significant black population.
Frankly Britain is better off without blacks.
ScottishCaledonian 6 months ago
@ScottishCaledonian I'd say the entire planet's better off without retarded over priviliged and protected white freaks like YOU borne of incest.
I'm annoyed you're allowed to continue living.
SWEAEPE 6 months ago
@ScottishCaledonian The fact is whether you like it or not Black people are here to stay if you wanted to do anything about that you need to go back in time and stop you ancestors interferring with Afric and looting it for its people and gold. Learn some respect and read your history.
Gerry76alpha 6 months ago
@Gerry76alpha Whites contributed everything to to Africans, we gave Africa, modern science, engineering, industry, agricultural methods, technology, medicine, infrastructure. Before that Africans were living in the stone age.
We owe Africans fucking nothing.
ScottishCaledonian 6 months ago
@ScottishCaledonian Thats not entirely true, you are really just an ignoramus. You quote without knowing any history at all. That makes you a fool.
Gerry76alpha 6 months ago
@Gerry76alpha What have sub saharan Africans invented ? The answer is NOTHING. All modern technology, science etc was brought to African by Europeans. Sub saharan Africans did not even farm as they were nomadic tribes.
You are the one that knows fuck all about history, Sub saharan Africans did not even have written languages.
ScottishCaledonian 6 months ago
@ScottishCaledonian Why the delineation to Sub-Saharan Africa as opposed to Africa? To be blunt there were always Black people in all parts of Africa and if you did read your history Africa was not in the stone age before Europeans as many like to assume.If you are not ignorant then read Black British, White British by Dillip Hiro it will give you insight to first contact between White and Black peoples unbiased and fully referenced.Then we can talk.
Gerry76alpha 6 months ago
@Gerry76alpha Do not tell me to read a book I have no access to. I asked you a simple question what have sub saharan Africans contributed to knowledge. North Africa is almost exclusively populated by arabs. They are not black.
And personally, I prefer to read academic articles as opposed to bias books that have not been peer reviewed.
So please enlighten me, what have sub saharan africans contributed to knowledge ?
ScottishCaledonian 6 months ago
@ScottishCaledonian how about the evidence from the likes of Herodotus, Manetho, Diodorus Siculus, Sir Henry Rawlinson, Lord & Lady Lugard, Livingstone, National Geographic, Time Magazine, Thoman Hodgkin, Dr Victor Robinson, Prof Leo Frobenius, Dr Patrick Darling, Prof Ivan Van Sertima, Prof Cheikh Anta Diop, Dr Basil Davidson, Prof Yosef Ben-Jochannan, Prof Dmoochovski, The Petrie Musem, British Museum, M.Charles Dupuis, Count De Volney, Ptolemy Philadelphus, Bosworth Smith, Plutarch, Strabo,
JayGriffinblaze 5 months ago
@JayGriffinblaze What evidence ?
ScottishCaledonian 5 months ago
@ScottishCaledonian Arnold Heeren, Sir William Jones, Jean-Francois Champollion, Godfrey Higgins, Prof George Rawlinson, Al-Bakri, Ibn Khaldun, Al-Idrissi, Al-Masudi, Ibn Battuta, G.R.S. Mead, Claperton, Barth, Capt. Stigand,Dr Leo Wiener, Sir E.A Wallis Budge, Francisco Alvarez, Cecilia Hill, Dr Phillip Smith, Major Dubois, Wilmot, Filippo Pigafetta, Polybius, Charles Darwin, Dr Charles Nelson, Prof Claudia Zaslavsky, Dr Charles Finch, Prof Fed Wendoorf, Scoch, Thomas Dobecki, Peter Eckler,
JayGriffinblaze 5 months ago
@JayGriffinblaze They are all white ?
ScottishCaledonian 5 months ago
@ScottishCaledonian Almost ALL of them are White. Yes. I have deliberately given you academics from multiple dsiciplines (some multi-disciplined) that have all written, (and is recorded for all to see) works on Africa. What was there before European contact, after etc. Accounts of explorers, records of historians that have been passed down from the Greeks even that is still used today. They come from Harvard, Cambridge, Oxford, many other universities/musuems.academic sources. Go and READ.
JayGriffinblaze 5 months ago
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@ScottishCaledonian Almost ALL of them are White. Yes. I have deliberately given you academics from multiple dsiciplines (some multi-disciplined) that have all written, (and is recorded for all to see) works on Africa. What was there before European contact, after etc. Accounts of explorers, records of historians that have been passed down from the Greeks even that is still used today. They come from Harvard, Cambridge, Oxford, many other universities/musuems.academic sources. Go and READ.
JayGriffinblaze 5 months ago
I've deliberately sourced "peer academics" as you put it, or academics that are white (since a lot of the time ppl that come with your arguments that no science, tech, culture or advance human habitation has emerged from 'sub-sahara' - a term which in itself is indicative of the early 20th Century whitewash of world history - none of y'all buy it unless it comes from a White academic with the exception of the Islamic historians/geographers, Diop, williams & Manetho (Egyptian Chronicler)
JayGriffinblaze 5 months ago
@ScottishCaledonian Prof Duncan MacNoughton, David Rohl, Eratosthenes, Sir Arthur Evans, Prof Fekri Hassan, Dr Chinwiezu, Prof Robin Williams, Hoffman, Dr Charles Finch, Anozie, Herbert Wendt, Peter Garlake, Guiness Book of Records, Berlin Museum, Felix Von Luschan, Dr Olfert Dapper, Landolphe, Capt Richard Burton, Blomert, Utzheimer, Dr FN Roth, Cyril Punch, Duarte Lopez, Ogilby, Royal records in Africa/Portugal/Holland, De Mezieres, Denis-Pierre de Pedrals, Serge /Denise Roberts, ibn Abd-Allah
JayGriffinblaze 5 months ago
@ScottishCaledonian There are MANY books available, and MANY sources of REAL true historical records/scientific review in such fields as HISTORY, GEOGRAPHY, GEOPHYSICS, ARCHAEOLOGY, EXPLORATION, CARBON DATING, MUSEUM CURATORS, PUBLISHERS, AUTHORS, WRITERS, SOLDIERS FROM VARIOUS EUROPEAN (PARTICULARLY BRITISH, DUTCH, GERMAN AND PORTUGUESE RECORDED ACCCOUNTS), stuff in museums on display at the present time, and evidence from peers from BCE to the modern day. When you've read all that, then talk.
JayGriffinblaze 5 months ago
@JayGriffinblaze What have sub saharan Africans contributed to knowledge,, invented or discovered ? Can you not name me any exampels ?
ScottishCaledonian 5 months ago
@ScottishCaledonian The term Sub-Saharan is a catch all term invented in the early 20th Century to group dark skinned non-Arab Africans into a homogenous group when in fact they are the most diverse groupings on the planet. As far as contribution to invention or knowledge- define your term invention or knowledge AND the period you are talking about. That has a bearing on the answer. If you cannot understand that I suggest you go and read some history, & some of the academics I've mentioned.
JayGriffinblaze 5 months ago
@JayGriffinblaze "As far as contribution to invention or knowledge- define your term invention or knowledge AND the period you are talking about. "
What do you think I mean by invention or contribution to knowledge.
And I am not talking about any specific time period.
ScottishCaledonian 5 months ago
@ScottishCaledonian Then u are being selective. No one ethnic group/empire/nation state has been dominant indefinitely so as not to have unbroken periods of development/decline, invention/stagnation. Time IS VERY RELEVANT. It's hard to INVENT when ur land/people/culture has been APPROPRIATED/ABSORBED/EXTINGUISHED/CONTROLLED/EXPORTED FORCIBLY. Harder still to RECORD your invention when SOMEONE ELSE OWNS the PATENT/MECHANISM FOR RELEASING INVENTION or doesn't RECOGNISE ur authority on anything
JayGriffinblaze 5 months ago
@JayGriffinblaze For the 6th time. Name me examples of contributions to knowledge, or inventions by sub saharan blacks ?
ScottishCaledonian 5 months ago
@ScottishCaledonian Come on, You have read academic articles, how is it you lack knowledge of the first hand accounts of British explorers, hell even Scottish ones? How is it you lack knowledge of European officers, European scientists, European Geographers, European Historians that corroborate the FACT that Africa had MANY advanced cultures pre-contact, in some cases simultaneously (Kongo, Mali, Ghana, Benin, kanem-Borno) These are peer reviewed. I've read them, have you?
JayGriffinblaze 5 months ago
@JayGriffinblaze I have asked you to name me examples of what sub saharan Africans have contributed to knowledge, discovered or invented, and you have been unable to answer and give me any examples. You have flatly refused to name any examples. I have nothing more to discuss, I will regard your refusal to name me an example of sub saharan contribution to knoweldge, as you are unable to. I have nothing more to discuss with you
ScottishCaledonian 5 months ago
@ScottishCaledonian Except I have. If you have really read accepted "academic peer reviewed evidence" You would be familiar with at least half of the academics I mentioned. Some of them are BIG historical figures. If you cannot accept their word, there is no point in discussing why there is little record (at least that an ignorant like you could perceive outside your hegemony world view) of Black achievement. But to humour you, I will in the next post.
JayGriffinblaze 5 months ago
@JayGriffinblaze You named white people, you did not name me contributions by black sub saharan africans
ScottishCaledonian 5 months ago
@ScottishCaledonian As I've said, I named white academics because your earlier post to the other guy dismissed anyone which you deemed hadn't been "peer reviewed" which basically means "Non-whites I've never heard of and whose opinion I disregard anyway" . There were about 5 Black academics there, but I would expect you to know that since "you've read peer reviewed material" There are many more I could give you but I doubt you would pay any mind, so what would be the point? STOP USING SUB-SAHARA
JayGriffinblaze 5 months ago
@ScottishCaledonian actually there are large amounts of BLACK AFRICANS living in North Africa. They precede the Arabs by centuries. For example in Egypt in West and South of the Country, the population is distinctly dark-skinned. You don't see a lot of them on the tourist trails becaus ethey are discriminated against by fair skinned Arabs, who occupy the role Europeans do in N.African society towards their dark skinned countrymen. I'm not talking about immigrants/refugees either.
JayGriffinblaze 5 months ago
@ScottishCaledonian Should I highlight contributions of Africa and its people to the planet as a whole Or focus on inventions? See where your argument falls down is it precludes the many non-white peoples who have also contributed in day to day society in inventions and progressing humanity. It has never just been down to Whites as you put it and I have already given you sources you choose to denigrate.
Tell me, did you get an A for your oversimplifed prejudice?
Gerry76alpha 6 months ago
@Gerry76alpha I am not asking you to list the achievments and contributions of the entire planet. For the third time I will repeat what I asked you previously. Its a very simple quesiton, what has sub saharan africans contributed to knowledge ?
Would you care to answer the quesiton instead of attemtpting to dodge it. Its a very, very simple question. I am not asking what europe or america has contributed, I am asking what knowledge has sub saharan african contributed to the world.
ScottishCaledonian 6 months ago