Shamblin & Ellis play "There'll Never Be Another You"

[rioblanco]

That's Tommy Perkins on drums.  Tommy also played with Bob Wills and was a fixture in the Oklahoma City jazz scene.

[kevinherbert]

Pure music.....

[kevinherbert]

You trube rox.....

[mlaprarie]

Wonder what happened to the rest of this concert video? This was Oklahoma City around 1996. I was there, and it was a great show. The video crew said they were filming this for a PBS documentary. Anyway there was a smokin' version of "There'll Be Some Changes Made" that included a great guitar solo and vocal by Eldon Shamblin. Eldon was pretty far up in years by this time and suffered from severe arthritis. Yet his rhythm playing is still outstanding. Truly one of the greats.

[oxybent]

Thank you Gtrwrkshop for this interesting video.

Yes-these are both virtuosos-but in their own styles!

playing together they are like chalk and cheese.

It is like putting Billie Holiday on stage with Pavarotti!

(Well, perhaps not that bad but you get my point, I hope)

[nikki6morales]

That bass just pissed me off the entire song. He didn't even solo well. Eldon should have gotten that solo...

[darkhoarse820]

What a legend...The Jazz world has truly lost another top great in Herb Ellis. I had to restrain myself from crying in the Tucson airport when I heard of his death last night...(and Eldon Shamblin was completely disrespected during what should have been a great solo...I bet it was, too.

[PhilipAndrewEmerson]

Two of the greats...Check out Shamblin's moving bass lines while playing chords...a true master...and Ellis is such Texas Bop...great stuff...about as good as it gets!...

[poepneukerobotjes]

they are like 2 brilliant, big jazz turtles

[instrumentenfreak]

respect. this age and this skills - wow

[jerichothedrifter60]

As great as all the Herb Ellis lines are, it's the constant chord movement on Eldon's part that floors me about this. Wish there was a better camera angle on his left hand.

[Ericholland]

Eldon is playing classic swing jazz rhythm guitar that many guiarist in big bands of the day played, the master being Freddie Green of the Count Basie Band.

[vandemr]

I think Eldon was more of a master than Freddie Green. Both were great but Eldon's chord vocabulary and counter lines made him the greatest rhythm guitar player of all time. (in my opinion)

[like1234555]

these guys are the most wonderful people to listen to, when you really want to here good music.Why is everyone debaiting on who is right, you people dont even know each other. These people play excellent music, and all you can talk about is something that doesnt consern this topic. if you cant get along with each other than dont post comments at all.

[JerrysTube]

I knew Eldon for many years and that man knew more guitar chords than anyone I have ever met. He showed what the real story was about Texas Swing and why and how the rythm works as it does on a guitar for that style of music. Eldon met and worked with the best entertainers around in his day. Merle Haggard and Dolly Parton and of course the late great Bob Wills and The Texas Playboys. A great guy....!

[aaronentresz]

Good greif!!! All the arguing on this page. How about we all just focus on the music, and stop throuwing punches with our keyboards!

[callasexperience]

yep struggling or what

[Modes9]

Hey, it's no better than Allan Holdsworth, Frank Gambale, Pat Martino, or Lenny Breau...but it's no worse either. Without late swing or early bebop, not of the later innovations would have been possible. I love the modern stuff, but I RESPECT THE ELDERS! Peace,

Eric

[qweasd1993]

they r so old now

[garyguitar]

BUT and that's a big but, still playin' they're asses off.

Oh, yeah kevinherhert and twangbarfly: SHUT THE F++K UP, or get each other's email address.

[kevinherbert]

garyguitar: I'm with you...even I'm bored..I hope gtrWkShp takes off the drivel I've regrettably been involved in...long live Herb!!!!!!!!!!!!

[kevinherbert]

Well who are you???? Walter Mitty??

[twangbarfly]

Before attempting to deride other people's prose, you should think seriously about mastering a first language for yourself, since you are clearly struggling through the neanderthal stages of your own linguistic development. Go and look up "fawning" in a dictionary before you start peppering your inane prose with words you think will look good, but which merely betray your ignorance, as if it wasn't already out there for all to see!

[kevinherbert]

Monsieur twangbarfly, you dear old thing (and I use the term 'old' advisedly) parce que you're expression is that of a verbose, life-weary & ageing buffoon usually found in inconspicuous European universities, and for whom the intellectual rigour of academic life has proved way too demanding. Oh well, a job in administration will suffice I sp'ose.....but, mon dieu, what to tell the family!!!!!????

[twangbarfly]

What are you? Some kind of failed academic who insists on couching his pseudo-smartness in Dr Johnson style prose? You're so full of sputtering contradictions and incoherence that the most charitable thing I can do is to just ascribe it to your medication. Can't be bothered -- good night Mr Herbert. Go along and lurk in the shallows until some other tasty looking legs come splashing into view and then go snapping at them!

[kevinherbert]

TwangbarLouie: I translate your last posting as "I can't go on..'cos each time I do, I further enhance my new found image of YOUTUBE FUCKWIT OF THE MONTH"...of course I mean that in the nicest possible way (apologies to Barry Humphries...good nite & dog bless......

[twangbarfly]

Wrong again Mr PRIZE HERBERT! No time to talk to halfwits like yourself. You're just a tiresome BROKEN RECORD and I'm sick of your ranting. If your aim is to end up like a piece of dog crap on the bottom of everyone's shoes and get up their nose big style, then call that "victory" if you like. Me, I'm off to wash my boots. Ciao.

PS Barry Humphries? Summoning another hero to the bar? Dear, oh dear! What would he make of your leaden wit? Wet sand and dog turds in a sock you wave around your head.

[kevinherbert]

twangfarLouie: nothwithstanding your claim a) to live en France b) that you would'nt be commenting again, your last message has revealed both the sophistication & veracity associated with a classic English yobbo. I say no more save for 'how come the dopey Poms can't win any friggin sporting contest anywhere e.g. the Ashes, the various World Cups, Wimbledon (& any other tennis event globally, the vast majority of Olympic events ....& of course higbrow debates on YOU TUBE.. YOU DROOB!!!!!

[twangbarfly]

Poor little Kevin Herbert didn't get it all his own way! Mommy lied! Never mind. One day perhaps, when you grow up. Could be a long wait though! Oh yeah, I'm a "classic yobbo" -- pretty rich from a digger with nothing up his sleeve but cheap personal insults -- to quote your fireball putdowns: fuckwit, plebe (sic), wanker, monumental wanker, and now -- dopey Poms (ouch!). You are like a vacuous teenager enchanted with the sound of his own voice regurgitating offensive swearwords. Truly pathetic.

[twangbarfly]

Hey son, if you think you're notching up points in front of an eager YouTube jazz guitar public in the name of all that is right and good, you flatter yourself. Nobody on here gives a monkey's about Kevin Herbert, or about my replies to your prepubescent gibberish. You have simply hacked everyone here right off, which is what you set out to do - I can see you now lurching around the playground uncontrollably whooping and hollering victory cries! Run along young Master Herbert, run along!

[kevinherbert]

twangs4nothing: Eager YouTube audience you wish!!! Maybe for my immensely witty copy...but no way 4 your dross!!! As 4 no-one gives a Monkey's about me, apparently you do...you doo doo!!!!

[twangbarfly]

Argh - here comes Herbert plodding out of his corner to land the sucker punch ... drum roll, fanfare... "Take that - from *me and my immensely witty copy*!". Ouch!!! Man, you're so bad you're almost good!!!!

[kevinherbert]

Humouring lightweights demands lightweight humour..need I say more!!!!

[twangbarfly]

Go on Mr Herbert, entertain us all with your agile humour - from the man who brought us the miraculous transition from "twangbarfly" to "twangs4nothing" via "twangwon'tfly". You're dead on, son, you're a real laugh a minute ... a true featherweight.

[twangbarfly]

Chest puffed out and heady with your own invective, you have no doubt forgotten why you launched your one-man crusade, so let me remind you -- I challenged the "self-appointed high priests of jazz orthodoxy [and] ignorant posters (i.e. you) attempting to outdo all their "vulgar" rock friends with pathetic attack[s] on the non-orthodox opinions of people like Boldstrummer".

You have most ably provided overwhelming evidence of the rock-solid basis for my accusation, you ignorant jazz nazi!!

[kevinherbert]

twangwon'tfly: now don't go upsetting yourself, old chap...you're beginning to sound rather shrill...how 'bout a nice cup of warm cocoa & a LONG lie down.

[twangbarfly]

Hey there Herbert, not often you're right, but you're dead wrong again, blue. I'm not upset. I'm having a good laugh watching you box yourself into a corner; I'm just giving you a gentle nudge in the right direction and you are doing all the hard work yourself - and making it look easy to boot!

Look out sport, seconds out!

[kevinherbert]

twangers: all that boxing terminology you use is revealing...I can picture you there in your Rathdowne St single room, clad only boxing silks & Carlton beanie (errrrr!!), adding beer with vodka chasers to your already enormous girth, dreaming of glory.....any glory. Given that you obviously know very little about music, I believe that the BIG QUESTION for you is: should Dick Pratt get 5 or 8 years in the slammer? Did that sound condescending....

[kevinherbert]

twangs4nothing: Boldstrummer called the virtuoso Herb Ellis's sound corny. You agreed with his view..you're a couple of witless guitar teachers with delusions of relevance. What next "Parker's tone is dated", Larry Carlton plays 'too fast'? Keep your asinine comments to yourselves while I'm within earshot.Herb is a friggin' giant of a player.However, I do support the view that you're both entitled to your opinion..however fuckwitted it may be. Do you have any production tips for Quincy Jones????

[twangbarfly]

Get a grip, sport! You can't resist jumping into things with those overgrown feet of yours and then ranting about others being deluded. 1) I never agreed on here with Boldstrummer, you misread 2) I never claimed to live in France, you assumed it 3) You assumed I'm English 4) I'm not a guitar teacher/salesman and none of the other ridiculous assertions you make apply 5) I love Bird 6) I love Carlton 7) So far, you're the one making a steady stream of asinine comments.

[kevinherbert]

Twanger: your sounding more & more like a gag writer for Darryl Somers...or Dick Pratt maybe....

[twangbarfly]

Straight out of the Real Book of Mein Kampf Party Tunes from the Jazz Ubermensch himself, Kevin Herbert:

"Keep your asinine comments to yourselves while I'm within earshot. I do support the view that you're both entitled to your opinion..however fuckwitted it may be." Spoken like a true jazz nazi, digger! Man, it's fun watching you getting all steamed up and trying to goosestep your way furiously around YouTube!

[kevinherbert]

twangers: I know who you are...you're Vince Jones!!! Hey Vince, when are you going to do a rock album???? and when are you going to start a political party???

[twangbarfly]

Daryl Somers, Dick Pratt, Vince Jones? In the absence of a broader vantage point, that tiny brain of yours is groaning and spluttering in provincial overdrive, and even then, the cogs have a hard time engaging. You ought to try and get out of that dunny down under a little more often and take a look at the big wide world, sport!

Keep digging, matey - the hole is getting bigger and soon you'll just be a little speck in the middle, before you drop right out of sight!

[kevinherbert]

Sacre bleu Monsieur twangbarfly!!! I've been struck down by you, the Magnificent Grammarian (MG)...but wait, my Compact Edition of the Oxford Dictionary defines 'fawning' as 'behaving servilely'...on no, MG you have grammatical as well as musical feet of clay...why am I NOT surprised...you'll be tanked early today, I'll wager....

[twangbarfly]

It really is tedious to come on here and argue uselessly with someone whose idea of social interaction is to trawl around You Tube looking for arguments but clearly doesn't know their musical, grammatical, or linguistic arse from their elbow. Yep, you managed to spew out the definition of "fawning", but you conveniently overlook the fact that it is meaningless when used by you in the context of your message.

[kevinherbert]

Monsieurtwangbar'Louie': your slip is now in full public view..so puerile quasi-semantics is your defence to your original 'fawning' faux pas..not surprising all things considered...also, your 'linguistic' taunt reveals that: first, you have no idea as to what constitutes 'linguistics' and second, that you are a monumental wanker...give up Louie while you're well behind..I'd suggest that your energy may be best employed in the selling of guitars, not commenting on a guitar virtuoso's skills.

[twangbarfly]

If you really can't stand living in a world where people think differently to you, go and join the nearest branch of some neo-nazi party. Oh of course, this is jazz and we are right because we know about "real" music, and everyone else is wrong. Even Pat Metheny couldn't keep himself out of that ridiculous neo-fascist jazz camp with his pathetic attack on Kenny G. Now true jazzers everywhere feel it is their duty to attack the heretics. What happened to intelligent debate?

[twangbarfly]

I've read some nonsense on YouTube from ignorant posters, but trust the jazz gurus to attempt to outdo all their "vulgar" rock friends with a pathetic attack on the non-orthodox opinions of people like Boldstrummer. His opinion is as valid as yours - at the very least, and unlike his detractors, he has the merit of offering a reasoned argument in support of his opinions, but this is not enough for the self-appointed high priests of jazz orthodoxy.

[kevinherbert]

Your second language is letting you down...subjective bullshit posing as informed opinion is always a target for me...I love the D Kennedy's ,AC DC, & Charlie Parker..and King Pleasure...and Lester & Miles ..and LRB.....you fawning academic...I bet you've got colour coded CD racks....a bientot oh master of thinking slow!!!!

[twangbarfly]

A "fawning" academic?? What do you hope to prove by calling your musical heroes to the bar? That you are broad-minded? That you are more tha just a jazzer? That I haven't got your number? For you, everyone else's opinion is apparently subjective bullshit - you're simply a pathetic, self-appointed would-be musical ayatollah. You must be a joy to live with!! Kevin Herbert - the world's gift to itself!!!

[kevinherbert]

You sir are a fuckwit..posing as a mediator

[tedwinward]

Dear bass player--pardon me--what's up with that tone? I'm a bass player, too. Let's consider flatwound strings and rolling off the treble a little, shall we? In every other way, you're getting the job done. Finally, I enjoyed this meeting of players--and have regretted missing the opportunity to have heard Eldon in person before his passing about ten years ago.

[funstuff2006]

I can't play bass - can barely play guitar - so I might be out of line here, but I think I would go one further and turf the guy with the electric altogether in and bring in a proper 'standup bass.'

To me it looks like Herb called for Eldon to Solo at around 2:50, and that god-aweful electric bass tone just stepped all over his chords.

[JederLacht1]

It's not the fact that it's electric, it's that the guy doesn't EQ it properly. It's probably some Jaco-wannabe with horrible bridge pickup jazz-bass tone with way too much high end.

[xms32]

Love it!!! Eldon looks so carefree like he's thinkin about his wifes pot roast dinner he's gonna eat when he gets home. lol. Just sitting their so casually like he's not doing much and yet he's playing masterpiece phrases. What a consummate musician.

[SlikkTim]

Hahah gotta love your image (thinking 'bout the meal). Didn't know at all bout this guy but man can he swing. Monster tone as well. I'm a Grant green fan so nice single note bop with a bright tone always gets me :D

[mats9863]

GOOD!!

[Boldstrummer]

Ole Ellis always sounded corny to me.

He very rarely does double time phrases.

Very dated playing. His comping swimgs though.

And to be fair, he's a bit out of his prime.

Anyone who has played with Oscar Peterson has my respect.

[xms32]

If respect is what you were trying to portray towards Ellis, you should could have fooled us. How many recordings that impacted the history of music have you been on?

[Boldstrummer]

I hear that he must be one of your influences and that your trying to defend him. Good for you. I meant no disrespect. It was mostly factual, I suppose the corny is a value judgment. Just not to my taste. I think he actually might agree with me.

He happened to be at the right place at the right time. Oscar deseves the main credit for his impact on jazz history.

I've studied and played with many of the great jazz players of the last century and I I believe my opinion is an informed one.

[xms32]

I doubt what you say very much. I've played the big stage for 4 years now. That's 25,000 people 3 nights a week. A number you will never perform for. I am a pro. I don't speak of legendary musicians the way you do. You're an amateur and will remain as such.

[Boldstrummer]

You a rock musician?

[xms32]

No, I'm a jazz musician who plays for a country star that has had 6 number ones on billboard.

[Mamasan41]

bravo!!!

[minor7b5]

Bullshit! "studied and played with many....." You're a fucking liar!

[Boldstrummer]

Why are you so rude?

You would like to believe that I haven't played with some of the greats. Pics of me and Barney Kessel. Same with Joe Pass. By attacking me instead of understanding what I'm saying it's clear you are insecure in your position and just want to be right.

It's not a big deal, we have different tastes.

It was a free country. . .

[kevinherbert]

What's your name..let's see some of your playing?????

[xms32]

It's not about different tastes when you say a legend can't play. You made a definitive statement that a legend of the jazz world can't play. That's what you were really saying. And I'm saying, any jazz musician or musician in any genre that says a legend can't play; most likely can't play worth a shit themselves. Meaning you probably suck. Go buy some more Mel Bay books young man.

[czzham]

As a music educator, more specifically a guitar, drum/percussion, & theory/composition educator/performer, I totally agree.

To be more street, fuck assholes that rap shit but can't blow.

Amen. out

[twangbarfly]

Aherm, to whom exactly are you referring here? Me I suppose - perhaps you would care to tell me EXACTLY WHERE I - or anyone on here for that matter - "made a definitive statement that a legend of the jazz world can't play"?

[xms32]

I never spoke to you. My conversations was with 'boldstrummer' in which he called this legends playing very dated and corny.

[kevinherbert]

twangs4nothing: and you're the pedantic dill who defended ad nauseum boldstrummer's right to his opinion, which is of course a given...but it just so happens we're saying we have the right to say that boldstrummer's opinion is COMPLETELY WRONG based on the available facts...if you can't understand that simple proposition, take a basic English comprehension course. You're 'jazz nazis' rant was always way off beam...got it now ????

[twangbarfly]

KEVINHERBERT Why don't you do what you were asked to - just SHUT THE FUCK UP until you have something worthwhile to say, and more to the point, until you are sufficiently articulate to say it - instead of going round in circles telling everyone they're wrong beause they disagree with you and arrogantly insisting they can't speak English. You think you have an ally in xms32 so you come rushing back on here like a kid calling me a fool. You're a short-sighted, preening little antipodean prick.

[kevinherbert]

twangs4nothing; man, I can't help it if English is your third language..take it up with Berlitz

[twangbarfly]

KEVIN HERBERT If you could manage to get your inflated head out of your arse and look around - perhaps you'd take the opportunity to talk to real people instead of socialising sadly by proxy in places like this - you would then doubtless get it beaten into your sorry little brain what is plain to all except you - that you are a worthless, backstabbing, opinionated bag of shit. Fight your own fights, you pathetic jazz nazi - stop e-mailing me privately to spew your sorry pseudointellectual crap.

[kevinherbert]

twangsfornothing: look who's lost his cool......schoolboy invective & all...mummy's got a nice glass of warm milk for you....

[kevinherbert]

You have no taste in my humble opinion...no pro worth his salt would put shit on a player of Herb's status..you're a pretender, man...you should be making guitars, not playing them

[Boldstrummer]

I'm not putting Herb down in any way.

It's just I prefer other players, Joe Pass, Barney Kessel, Wes Montgomery, Howard Roberts . . . Lester Young was awesome, but some people like Bird. I happen to like a straight ahead bebop style as opposed to swing style. Apples and oranges.

[minor7b5]

I like the same guitarists you do. I play & teach jazz(guitar) for a living. Herb could play straight ahead bebop as well as swing. But he had to make a living too. And bebop is not popular. I might add I met Herb on 4 occasions. He said that Joe Pass was the greatest jazz guitarist who ever lived.

[Boldstrummer]

Joe was incredible. We were going to do some work together, but then he died. .

He was so generous with other musicians.

He paid me to trancribe some of his tunes for copyright. He didn't have to do that, but it was his way to help a struggling musician.

Joe and Herb were especially good together.

[minor7b5]

I'm impressed. They did especially good work together for the Concord Jazz Festival with Ray Brown on Bass and Jake Hanna on drums.

[minor7b5]

I agree with one thing you say: your opinion is humble, ignorant, and not worth answering. Assholes like you are a dime a dozen.

[Boldstrummer]

I've not called you any names or engaged in judging you personally. It's really totally unnecessary. I feel sad because I would just like to connect with other musicians and venture my opinion without being attacked personally. Just having a different opinion or different taste in music, does not make me an "asshole".

[kevinherbert]

Boldstrummer: You're attempted self aggrandisement by associating yourself with Herb et al, and your limited emotional span musically,consign you to the wanker category of musicians...get those stars out of your eyes, little man...and think before you comment lamely on virtuoso...but I think it may be a bit late for you.

[minor7b5]

Listen to me, man. These guys who use personal attacks against anyone just because they disagree with their opinion are not worth responding to.....it just encourages them to become more abusive. I've played and taught jazz guitar my whole life, and I'd be willing to discuss anything with you. We may not always agree on some stuff, but reasonable people can disagree without becoming abusive. Kevinherbert is one of these idiots, so I'm not going to repond to his baiting tactics.

[kevinherbert]

what drugs are you on, space cadet???

[kevinherbert]

Well

[kevinherbert]

I'm listening...to an accountant who plays an instrument, and who can't respond save for plaintiff calls for ordered discussion. No-one who calls Herb Ellis 'corny' will go unchallenged while I'm within earshot...I'd say you & Oldstrummer are the corny guys here!!!!

[kevinherbert]

minor7b5: it's a shame that most anonymous YouTube 'musicians' can't successfully carry an argument without calling for their Mommy...as for the dime a dozen, I get $US300an hour to develop corporate affairs strategy.....and I can sing every bop head known to man. Yep, as I always say..the only thing wrong with the music industry is..... that it's full of friggin' half baked musicians?!?*!*!

[minor7b5b9]

refuse to respond to this guy. It only encourages him to write more bullshit.

[kevinherbert]

Minor brain person: you can't help yourself..end of story

[Boldstrummer]

It is human nature to put our heros up on a pedestal, and to overlook obvious weak areas of their playing. I'm glad you like jazz and I'm glad that there are enough players for us to choose who we like.

[aurelienpk]

yeah, I'd like to know too. It's not all about speed, please, grow up!

[minor7b5]

To use the word "corny" when refering to Herb Ellis is nothing short of blasphemy. As a jazz guitarist, Herb was a major influence on my playing. Just because he always kept the basic melody in mind when he was playing the changes is about as far from "corny" as you can get. Herb always played with great gusto, and he came out of a period when jazz was still fun. Coltrane and others and his "sheet of music" changed all that; made jazz too introspective and ruined it's popularity in the U.S.

[kevinherbert]

That's because you have a limited emotional register...It's too bad that some people miss out on Herb's absolute genius...and he's past his prime, you plebe..he's at the very top of his game..what a silly comment you make!!!!

[kevinherbert]

I meant to say Herb's not past his prime..he a fucking genius.....you're fixation with double time leads me to believe that you're probably an accountant who plays guitar on his own & dreams of greatness...

[MuttGuitars]

Now datz wut I'm tawlkn' 'bout!

[Erico49]

two of my favorite guitarists... thank you!

[Pawciole]

super music!for mi Pawciole!

[luggo]

Eldon!

[rollingrok]

this guy inspire george benson

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[1doctoma]

It aint Charlie...But it aint chicken either...lovely....thanks for posting.

[CadillacL]

;;;snapping fingers;;;;listen to it swing boys & girls. Doesn't get much sweeter.

[kevinherbert]

Swing that thing!!!

[Ancillo]

marvellous...simply fantastic!