Oh my god. Bunch of paranoids. Seriously, this is a vulgar caricature. First, who's the most retarded? The one who thinks he said "fuck"? Or the one that doesn't know how to say ¨phoque¨ (seal) in english? Secondly, they don't like the beatles and Stephen Harper is a fan of the beatles.
Seriously, when you start to freak out about your culture like that it's the first sign that it is on its decline.
It's rather a sign that under its conditions, which is being a 7 millions french nation surrounded by a 330 millions english nation, that a certain level of protectionnism is important to insure its vitality. You may not care about their culture, but they happen to.
I find it quite interesting that'd you call this paranoïa first and then insinuate that the culture is on a decline. Yeah, it'd be hypocrisy if you were smart enough to notice the contradiction.
@Vineon Haha! Ok...First, when you say; "You may not care about their culture, but they happen to." It might be important for you to notice that I'm myself a french canadian XD.
Secondly yes, there are contradictions in my sayings. But what I'm trying to say is that paranoïa is not a good reaction to these threats. Conspirations to destroy french in america, give me a break.
L'êtes-vous véritablement, parce la plupart des dispositions protectionnistes concernant la langue et la culture sont massivement appuyés par les francophones. Si ce n'est pas votre cas, vous n'êtes simplement pas représentatif de la majorité. La Loi 101 par exemple, est appuyée par environ 85% des Québécois.
@Vineon did the Romans need a loi 101 to protect Latin? have the Irish enacted a law to protect Gaelic? I direct your attention to Wikipedia where over 50 languages are either in decline or extinct wikipedia's "List_of_endangered_languages" did they/will they resort to protectionism to ensure their continuance? My guess is no they will die off or be merged with other languages. Why is it that the French language continues to use sexist models such as Masculine and Feminine it's absurd!
You said "Why is it that the French language continues to use sexist models such as Masculine and Feminine it's absurd!"
What is absurd is that you insist it is a "sexist model", something I nearly fell out of my chair reading. You may not like it, but it adds a lot of precision to the language, a certain precision that english lacks. There's certainly nothing "sexist" about it, in any case.
Language protectonism actually exists everywhere, I have no idea why you intend to single out Québec this way. Most of what adds to cultural diversity is a good thing. There are hundreds of endangered languages, many of them a whole lot more than french is in Québec and yes most if not all of them resort to protectionism to "ensure their continuance".
Your guess that most will disappear is likely however still a good guess.
What makes Québec stand out when compared to much more endangered languages, such as the aboriginal languages in Canada, is that it controls a government which has juridiction over language and yet still a population that still speaks the language, very much likely to support legislation.
Something else probably of note, Bill 101 isn't actually very restricting.
Personne ne parle de conspirations afin d'éliminer le français ; il n'y a pas de second rapport Durham en court, personne n'insinue cela.
Ce qui EST une réalité cependant, c'est la démographie actuelle, l'attrait de l'anglais comme langue de la mondialisation et l'hégémonie culturelle Américaine. Si le français est important au Québec ainsi que sa culture qui en découle, pour faire face à ces éléments, un certain protectionnisme est de mise.
@Vineon Oh, and finally; No, I don't think a french person that doesn't know how to say "phoque" in english is a retard. Sure, it wouldn't be normal since we live in a province where people are SUPPOSED to learn english but that is not the point. The point is, that it's Michel Rivard we're talking about. A supposed "intelectual elite". And he's trying to teach us lessons about tolerance and opening to the world and he can't speak english?
@FreddyMontana69 Why does he need to....all the rest of canada can barely speak french! yet this country was at first french...i mean....quebec is way better in english, than the rest of canada in french. but i get your point....
La majorité des Québécois ne sont pas bilingues. Il n'y a rien d'anormal à ne pas savoir comment dire 'phoque' en anglais.
Michel Rivard est un intellectuel depuis quand, ne lui en mettez pas trop sur le dos, 'artiste' est suffisant. D'ailleurs, bien qu'il joue son propre rôle dans ce clip, il ne joue pas véritablement son personnage à la lettre.
Vous donnez à ce clip un message qu'il n'essaie pas de porter.
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Finally someone clearing things up for vineon! Hopefully it will see the error of its ways and offer an apology, admit its fault, and go seek help from mental health professionals! quebecois separatists have always been racists - just remember the "pur laine" concept that still exists to this very day! Bill 101 is a formal declaration of racial discrimination, and therefor all moral, honest, and law-abiding citizens of Earth have a duty to revile it and its supporters.
What was just pasted defines as racial discrimination discrimination based on descent and nationality, which is something I brought up myself earlier. Did you choose to bypass this part?
In other words, your hatred of the Québécois, under those specific terms, would make you a racist. You refuse to accept the label, but it still well suits you.
Notice to all separatists - your most vocal proponent has declared the quebecois are a race, and he's desperately back-tracking until he can find someone to back up his statement! Please, help it out. It needs serious medical attention, and while you separatists have fucked up quebec's health care system to the point where it doesn't look sustainable, I'm positive that someone can take pity on poor vineon. He's delusional at best, a danger to itself at worse.
It's gone off the deep end! It's so f-ing worried about being wrong - a weak sense of identity that can't accept being incorrect is a sign of mental illness...
Don't worry about Vineon. As you already know he is a nut case as well as a retard. He didn't know the difference between ratio and rate and as such, his whole argument on another topic is completely redundant and useless.
The difference between ratio and rates is small enough that in many case they are interchangeable. I could have used 'ratio' when I used 'rates' by slightly modifying my sentence.
You on the other end, insists that a comparisons between countries can be made without using measures 'per capita'. That is clearly not a fantastic showing of intelligence.
Maybe not according to you, as if you are some big expert on people you don't even know and their degree of intelligence. But at least I know the difference between ratio and rate; most 10 know the difference as well.
Most 10 year olds know the difference. The difference is that a a ratio is the comparison between with the same unit ie: each person gets 5 apples or 1 person/ 5 apples. Rate is the amount or speed of it. Ratio is proportion of one thing to another.
Besides, for the fuck of it, you've admitted being a racist towards the Québécois in that other video. I've accused PhilipJFry of the same for harbouring a similar hatred yet he contests it.
This is what is being argued here for a while and I find it quite hilarious that you'd hypocritically take his side after pretty much endorsing that vision of 'racism' he opposes.
Quebecois isn't a race, so I can't possibly be racist towards it. Calling me a racist is the first and only argument liberals make when someone has the audacity or balls to tell it like it is.
Whether or not Philip is a racist is a moot point. That is not the discussion here. He has made his argument and point, and you have not. That is why I am supporting him.
I said that because you labelled me as one. If the french people of Quebec don't want to be hated then they should smarten up, stop with the incessant and unwarranted demands and help unify canada instead of trying to form their own country. Have some bilingual signs in Quebec. Why should Ontario only be bilingual? Why should we pay for that? Quebec wants french signs in Ontario then Quebec should pay for all of it.
I did label you as a racist and you seemed fine with the idea at the time.
I don't give a fuck what language is on signs in Ont, feel free to remove every bit of french on them. It certainly isn't Québec that forces Ontario into adding it, they're under no obligation to do so.
Besides, the Québécois that want to stay in country believe in this myth of bilingualism, you may not want to crush that dream they share, they might end up wanting their own country..
Bilingualism has no place in Canada and they do not deserve their own country. If they want french, move to France. No one is stopping them. Actually, people want them to go.
'You cannot have bilingualism and you cannot have your own country.'
A nice way to alienate all the Québécois, the federalists who believe in bilingualism coast to coasts and the sovereignists who want their own country.
I could always answer that if bilingualism offends you, you are just as free to move as I am. I heard America is english... you may even want to "go back to England", to paraphrase your stupidity.
Its not intransigeance at all. Plus, you are putting words in my mouth. I never said, "'You cannot have bilingualism 'You cannot have bilingualism and you cannot have your own country." Second, the Quebecois are alienating themselves by trying to be different. If they were truly Canadian they would cease trying to form their own country. Last time I checked Canada was one country not two.
@albertabeefcowboy84 Funny coming from a person from Alberta, they want to be their own country even more than Quebec does. Please inform yourself before commenting.
What the hell are you talking about? There has been NO talk WHATSOEVER about Alberta separating from Canada. Please inform yourself before commenting.
I'll start clear by saying you are a complete idiot. Here's that off my chest.
The Québécois do not 'try' to be different, they are. To this, the claim that all provinces are all different is valid, just never as much as Québec's claim to be socially distinct, which is backed up by a plethora of sociologists. Ontarians have not referred to themselves as a nation thus far.
I am much smarter than you realize which supports the fact that you yourself are a complete idiot. If you mean that the Quebecois are low class, low intelligence, moral less, worthless, retards then yes they are different. Are this sociologists from Quebec? If so, whatever they have to say is irrelevant Ontario is not a nation, thats why. Duh!.
That is all, something anyone with a brain would conclude after reading any of your paragraphs.
Quite a bunch of English Canadian and Americans sociologists naturally came to the fact that Québec is a nation. See it is hard to dispute facts. Joel Garreau is one of them and made it quite clear in his very well known book "The 9 Nations of North America".
@Vineon This is why you people were given your own province. Its not enough that you have it, you must have french spread to all corners of Canada as well. You guys are welcome to go off in your canoes and find a nice little uninhabited island somewhere and live there if you want to form your own country that bad. Bilingualism doesn't offend me. Its enforcing language laws and making english a second class language in a english colony that offends me.
Québec sovereignists such as myself care little about french outside the province, knowing full well the language isn't going to be 'official' for long once Québec secedes. The only ones that do care, are the Québec federalists that believe in this shitty country and this utopia that is bilingualism coast to coast. If you knew just how little I care about the damn french on your stupid cereal box...
Of course it does. I have a problem with it when people in Ontario answer with a "bonjour", I have problems when I see so many lousy Quebec drivers in Ontario, I have a problem when the government of Ontario has to raise our taxes to make bilingual signs in Ottawa.
If you don't care then why should anyone else? All your posts are now moot and useless. If you don't care then why have you carried this youtube crusade for so long?
It isn't only recognized by 'sociologists' as it only takes a human set of two eyes and two ears to notice and recognize Québec a nation. Ray Conlogue, an art critic for the Globe & Mail, quite exposed to the differences between English Canada and Québec, has written quite a few books on the subject.
One I would recommend : "Impossible Nation : The Belonging of Homeland in Canada & Quebec".
Probably because something's current existence doesn't guarantee its future existence.
Québec is going through demographical changes and America's cultural hegemony has never been as strong as it currently is.
When the ratio (trust me, this is the right use for it) is 40 anglophones for 1 francophone on the continent, you need to constantly monitor your society's evolution and react accordingly if cultural maintenance is sought.
Considering the government 's policing of language laws, I doubt it will go away any time soon. I assume you are talking about culture as it applies to Quebec aka francophones and not multiculturalism.
I don't mind having culture, just as long as it doesn't interfere with other cultures and other people's lives and that french remains only in Quebec. I don't want to see bilingual signs and things on this side.
Kindly back up the Québec secessionists then. Once they do leave Canada, there will be little use for 'bilingualism coast to coast'. French will be a thing of the past, as if it never existed. Just like you want it.
I am not sure what you are replying to but I'd hardly call less than 5% of the rest of Canada "a lot of francophones". Especially considering most of them are either NB's Acadians, live very close to Québec or are part of the few surviving french 'hot spots' in Ontario and elsewhere, like the Sudbury or Saint-Boniface communities.
The rest of your comment reeks of hypocrisy. Is it in your home Alberta or your new home Ontario that english is treated as a 2nd rate language? Was that a joke? Clearly you must not actually believe that? Did you mean Québec? Have you not realized Québec consists mostly of french people? Were you not that guy that would rather bilingualism be shut down in english provinces? Yet the same guy has a problem with english's status in the one province where it is a minority?
@Vineon My stupidity? My ancestors discovered North America, you moron. I have already specified that. We were here before the english! If you truly believe in bilingualism coast to coast and forming a new country within Canada then you truly are a terrorist, an inept retard, and an elitist bastard
And myth it certainly is. You give a lot of shit to Québec people struggling to write proper english but you certainly quickly look past how limited you personally are linguistically.
Have those french signs ever taught you anything about the language. Of course not.
Exactly. It works both ways. I struggle with french and I get shit for it, so I give it back to Quebec people. An eye for an eye, right. Last time I checked this was Youtube. Linguistics add only confusion to the mix, why beat around the bush. I could say the same about you. You haven't proven how supposedly gifted you are linguistically either. Those french signs are in french, therefore how can I understand them? Second, kind of hard to figure out what they mean when you're driving.
I very much doubt you get shit for struggling with french, the language is nowhere near required where you live to function in society.
It simply takes a complete retard to attack someone on this aspect. I never said I was 'linguistically gifted' either, my english being quite far from perfect. It satisfies me, however.
Do you not recognize what a Stop sign is without the word 'Stop' being written on it?
@Vineon Like I mention many times before, I suggest you travel around Ontario and see what bs we have to put up with on a daily basis. In Ottawa, we can't work at McDonald's without being bilingual. That says a lot about jobs here, doesn't it? You implied being linguistically gifted otherwise you wouldn't even have brought it up in the first place.
Japanese stop signs have the shape of a North American yield sign so it depends if you are talking about a strictly North American society.
Dude, it's the same thing in Montreal and we're a bigger city. Stop being bitter, adapt, and deal with it, calisse de tabarnak! (And I work in Alberta, so I'm utterly not impressed with your handle(nickname)...albertabeefcowboy, hahaha! So many of them in reality! So many...
What are you talking about? "same thing in Montreal" Are you referring to the anglophones in montreal? or the fact that francophones can't find jobs in montreal?
I am not impressed with your nickname either, whatever it means. I was born in Alberta, I don't reside there any longer but I aim to go back, namely because there are no anglophone jobs here for some reason. And no, I am not going to "adapt" and learn french because that means they win, which is what they want.
I do not believe for one second that you cannot work at McDonald's in Ottawa without being bilingual.
As for jobs related to the government, I do not sympathise. This country is yet, until Québec's secession, bilingual and Ottawa is straight on the Québec border.
Interestingly, you know what a Japanese stop sign looks like but you're concerned about a stop sign with french written on it.
I really don't give a shit what you believe. And if you don't that's not my problem. This is why most government employees are inept, which is why they waste so much money and resources all the while by doing nothing. Ottawa is in Ontario, not Quebec, it doesn't matter if its near the border.
Ottawa is the national capital of a country that claims to be 'bilingual'. It's a surprise to no one that from this premise, this government will require bilingual people working for it.
J'adore Stephane Rousseau :) Je suis Anglaise, mais je l'ai vu a la télé quand j'étais en France l'année dernière et je pensais qu'il a un accent un peu bizarre car je ne savais pas qu'il vienne de Quebec. Bien que je n'ai pas compris la plupart de ce qu'il disait, il est amusant quand même grâce a ses gestes. Excusez mon français, j'ai seulement 17 ans. J'espère qu'a l'avenir il peut faire un [stand up] pour ses [fans] qui parlent l'anglais.
Votre français semble impeccable et même s'il ne l'était pas, il n'est pas nécessaire de s'en excuser.
De mémoire, à part André-Philippe Gagnon, je ne connais pas beaucoup d'humoristes Québécois (et même dans son cas, c'est plutôt des imitations) qui ont percé le marché anglophone... mais qui sait.
Thanks, I'm perfectly aware and that was a long time before anyone currently alive's grandma's grandma was even born. I assume you had the Great Upheaval in mind.
A second coming of the deportations has no chance to happen in contemporary Canada, the least you could do is aknowledge that. If you don't, it is clear to me who the idiot is here.
Have mercy... I'm mocking PhilipJFry for suggesting it, I am not suggesting it myself.
I simply insinuated that if it was simply proposed by anyone with actual political weight (rather than PhilipJFry), it would make everyone in Québec a sovereignist.
I suggested the appropriate punishment for treason, which was hanging, and that if people want to leave Canada they can - but the land stays Canadian.
So if you were elected as Canadian Prime Minister, would you put to death by hanging of half of the Québécois that claims to be sovereignists? A mass genocide of millions? Do you believe those that didn't believe in Québec sovereignty wouldn't suddenly trust it would be best for the Québécois?
You would love to hang me, my friends and my family, wouldn't you. The nerves they have, they believe Québec should be a country. To death!
No, it'd be simple - have trials for the leaders of the movement. Once it's proven they are traitors to the country, the judicial system would determine the penalty. I would naturally have to abide by that decision, however much I'd prefer just taking a few horses out near a tall and sturdy tree.
But the point would be conveyed. If they want to stay in Canada, quit trying to destroy it. If they want to destroy Canada, there are planes leaving every hour...
Just watch how quickly the tanks will be fired-up should Canada actually be threatened... It's human nature, and there's too much bad blood for there not to be violence. Just make sure you don't survive - afterall, separatism is a cause you dearly believe in, right? You should be the first one to raid the armouries to defend your "country"...
I don't plan to use violence to promote or achieve Qc sovereignty, which I'm pretty sure is an opinion shared by nearly all of them. Believe it or not, we actually believe we can achieve it democratically.
Okay, so more like 2 cents gets quebec five dollars. Point is, the liberals sold out Canada and now we have traitorous dogs like you that need to be removed. You're a cancer on Canada. You'll be quite surprised at the militancy of Canadians when what they love - Canada - is threatened with separation. Good thing for us is that separatists are lazy, and as you've proven over and over and over again, incapable of action.
Well we've had referendums on the question, I'd call that action. We simply to not intend to do anything without a support of the majority as we believe in democracy. Canada would actually have a tougher time fighting a democratic victory than any other stunt we could pull, none of which I would back up.
Are you capable of action yourself? It takes quite a bit more than being the resident racist on Youtube, as you currently are, to claim being a man of action.
You know full well your hatred goes much beyond only the 'separatists' up to whoever represents "french in Québec" and that not a single Québécois, may he be sovereignist or federalist, would share some of your most extreme views.
Do you think the rest of Québec would happily agree with Canada branding the sovereignists as 'traitors' so that legal punishing measures be applied to them? Do you expect a "thank you, we've been waiting for this"??
when i arrived in canada, i was shocked by the pitiful translations from english into french: more than ridiculous, it is also dandgerous for safety. It's a complet lack of consideration for customers.
The canadian gouvernment should consider french candian in or outside quebec because from what i know from cultural events, musics..... come from them. English canadians are hidden behind US, it looks like there is nothing emerging from them: no inspiration, no diversity, no asperity
Yeah, you're a little off the wall there. I'd like you to showcase exactly where the pitiful translations are, because the closer you get to Ottawa, or any federal gvt document, the more likely it was written in french first, then poorly translated in English. Why? It's only the hyper-sensitive french separatist types who care about the translation, so "the squeaky wheel is getting the grease".
@PhilipJFry72 why are you talking about separatist, I talked about TRANSLATION ! May be there are right to look for their own state when I read people like you. As most of the french canadians told me: they have nothing against english but they are opposit and actually they don't care about french canadians.
Personnaly I would want to pay taxes for a gouvernment that doesn't support my culture. And with a idiot like harper, Canada is not going to make the diffrence .
FUCK YOU! You're right the fuck out of it. You don't know a goddamned thing about the separatist divide, and quite honestly, if you're too fucking stupid to see the correlation between separatists and language/TRANSLATION, then how the fuck did you get into my country in the first place.
You're the fucking idiot. Culture should NOT be funded by the state when that culture is actively trying to destroy the state! IDIOT!
@PhilipJFry72 I have not been rude with you so calm down. Your reaction is obisously the proof I am right. You english native speaker want to control everything, you are intellectualy limited that why you don't make any differences between defending a culture and separatism. Other proof: we are know writing in english..... do you speak any french ? NO, basically you can't speak to 30% of canadians but the french canadians can talk to you..... if they want to translate of course.
The "separatists" aren't the ones interested in a bilingual Canada. They are the ones interested in having their own country, a french country.
Those that do demand bilingualism are the Quebec federalists you've falsely convinced their country is bilingual. Or English Canadians afraid those federalists might join in with the Québec sovereignists if they ever find out just how much of a fraud Canada's bilingualism is.
Here we go again... Trying to defend separatists. REALLY? REALLY? Just accept the reality it'll never happen and that you're always welcome to leave Canada to build that country, but the land that quebec currently occupies, belongs to Canada. You can leave ANYTIME, but the land stays with us. Bye now!
Why wouldn't I, they are not all that hard to "defend" considering everybody in Québec considers their position as legitimate. Only outside Québec do some find it incomprehensive that some dare "defending" the evil separatists.
Québec land belongs to the Québécois and with it they'll do as they see fit. If they think it should be made a country, it will be.
Of course, you cower behind the reality that most people who happen to inhabit that land don't want to leave, and especially now that Charest has shown just how expensive their "country" is - even WITH CANADIAN support, quebec's finances are a disaster, just like the roads and health care!
I've always said that a majority doesnt want a country and I deplore it. That said, that can change, theres been times when a majority did want it. It's that close.
All provinces posted deficits during this recession and Québec was one of the smallest when compared to its GDP. It isn't Québec that announced a 25 billions yearly deficit, but Ontario. Québec's deficit, in comparison, wasn't even 5 bils. Before the recession, Québec went 10 years without deficit.
Financed BY CANADA. Remember that, ALWAYS remember that - quebec was bought by the liberals in the 60's, 70's, 90's, and because of that, the Conservatives had to buy quebec in the 80's; although now there seems to be some sense in Ottawa to start cutting off the special funds and consideration for quebec. Ontario is starting to tighten its borders, which is scaring the business community.
As for health care, it is shit in Québec but a lot to it has to do with the Canadian system. It isn't only struggling in Québec, unless you weren't paying attention. Québec, believe it or not, has more doctors per capita than most other provinces.
As for the roads, I know this is a common complaint but I've yet to personally have problems with it. Then again, I don't live in Montreal.
FUCK YOU. You show up, what, two years into this pointless bullshit from vineon, and then you want to pass judgement? FUCK OFF. Who the fuck do you think you are?
@PhilipJFry72 two f**** in one sentance in too much...................... you are illiterate that why you are just able to insult and not building efficent analyses.................................last message: VIVE LE QUEBEC LIBRE !
You've never presented a good argument, nor are the separatists capable of separating. I still, like the majority of Canadians, think separatists are traitors. They should be treated as such. You call it hate? Physician heal thyself - you hate the greatest country in the world, and seek to destroy it. It is only rational to hate those who wish to destroy what is loved and admired. You bring ignorance and hate, you get it in return.
The problem with you is that you refuse to hold a real debate. Obviously Québec does not send 2 cents to Ottawa for every 5 bucks it receives, as you claim ; this much is ridiculous. If you're keen on arguing that Québec does get a whole lot more than it sends, argue it decently. With sources, actual numbers.. and lets have a decent discussion.
This is what you are afraid of, knowing yourself unharmed for a real debate. Your little demagogy is worthless.
You are a cretin, I've noticed.... but not so much that you'd believe that I believe the separatists are a "race".
The term used was also 'racism', which is a term that transcends 'race'. For instance, it is possible to be racist against muslims disregarding the fact that it is a religion and not a "race". "Race" doesn't mean much to me, in fact.
You are just trying to avoid the label but to me, your hatred of the Québécois (and not only the sovereignists), make you a racist.
You called me a racist, yet nothing I've said can be construed as such. You're changing the definition of racism to suit your own ends, much like pretty much every quebec separatist changes the facts concerning the federal relationship between Canada and quebec to better suit their twisted ideology.
No matter how much you dance around the issue, you're still wrong.
Racism transcends the word "race" now, this is something you need to realize. There does not exist a word such as "religionism", for instance, thus hatred for members of a religion is also considered racism. You clearly hate the Québécois.
Oh? So, once again, separatists have assumed the mantle of being the sole authority over everyone... You can create words and change meanings, but that doesn't make them true. You're showing just how irrational, morally-bankrupt, and intellectually deficient you are.
Hardly a "separatist" initiative. If you've never heard the term 'racism' used against muslims, for instance, I'm really wondering what rock you've been living under.
Just because the term is used improperly doesn't give your position and misuse any legitimacy.
So, seriously, put all those "talents" of yours to good use and separate out into space! Solve the world's, not just Canada's problems. You pretend to be so smart! Go on now, boy! You've can't waste your time on the Internet picking fights with someone who is morally and ethically superior to you! Go! Boy, don't waste your talents! You have a destiny beyond the stars...
You are a cretin, I've noticed.... but not so much that you'd believe that I believe the separatists are a "race".
The term used was also 'racism', which is a term that transcends 'race'. For instance, it is possible to be racist against muslims disregarding the fact that it is a religion and not a "race". "Race" doesn't mean much to me, in fact.
You are just trying to avoid the label but to me, your hatred of the Québécois (and not only the sovereignists), makes you a racist.
I very much doubt a majority of Canadians want the Qc sovereignists treated as 'traitors'. At least not in the way you believe traitors should be dealt with (read deportations and the death penalty).
Don't confuse yourself into thinking I'm not wishing they did : it would make it a lot easier to the sovereignty movement if every Canadian was as crazy as you are. Unfortunately, they aren't.
If you knew just how much I would love a Canadian politician to hold your positions...
@PhilipJFry72 You are illiterate: three "fuck" in one sentence is the proof of your lack of ability in discussing a point using efficient analyses.... If you hate the french canadians, why do you want to keep Québec part of canada? It's as stupid as you are. By the way make me a list of good reason to keep québec in the UNITED STATES OF CANADA ? in french of course, I want to have fun :)
Fuck you. I use "fuck" by design, in case you were wondering. As to my bilingual abilities, why would I lower myself to your request? You seem to think you have a moral edge, but even if I did want to "discuss" in french, there's no way you'd know if it was really my french. Why? The Internet has shitloads of translation sites, you fucking moron!
If you had any experience whatsover with translation programs on the internet, you'd know all of them are severly lacking and are rarely reliable. If you were to use any of them, it'd show.
Oh? Seriously, with all your smugness, sense of self-entitlement, and superiority complex, why are you wasting all your talents here on the Internet. Go forth, put your talents to use! I'm sure with someone like you leading the separatists, not only would quebec separate from Canada, it'd separate from North America, and why stop there? I'm sure you could take the quebecois "race" into space...
Nope, I never ever in my life ever claimed the Québécois are a "race". I don't even fucking believe in that concept that exists "races".
Why would I suddenly ignore you? If you to claim I lie, the thing you should actually do is quote me and prove that I did. If I ever said the Québécois were a race, I'd love to see it.
All you have to do is scroll down. "Racism" is a term used for RACES. The second you started claiming racism became the second you claimed the quebecois were a race.
I also said that 'racism' transcends the word 'race'.
Otherwise you couldn't be a racist towards 'muslims'. I wouldn't call Americans a race either, yet someone with a deep hatred for them could also be qualified as a 'racist'.
Besides, what is a race? Can you come up with a definition thats a bit beyond what'd you find in dictionaries?
You can call a lump of shit a soft diamond but that doesn't make it so... But no, go on, pretend like all separatists that you're being hard-done by and then, once you've been emasculated, you can try to turn the table on end by forcing those who challenge your beliefs. It's a sign of not only intellectual dishonesty and moral laziness, but also passive-aggressive. YOU misused the term "racism" and therefor YOU have to atone. YOU, got it? YOU. quebeckers are a race? Fuck off!
You do not challenge anyone's belief, you lack the proper intelligence to. This is meant to be more of a wake-up call than an insult, although take it the way you want to.
I have little problem with the Québécois that reject separatism and most (some?) of them can reasonably defend their opinions. You on the other hand do not oppose my views, you don't argue against them, you try to demonize them... after all, what better way to legitimize the little hatred of a little man.
I would be a racist for hating all Germans yet I wouldn't call them a 'race'.
I would be a racist for hating all Muslims yet I wouldn't call them a 'race'.
You are a racist for this strong hatred you harbour towards the Québécois even though I wouldn't consider them a 'race'.
Besides, 'race' is not a word I intend to ever use and if I recall, I asked you for a definition. Will it come or are you still too much a coward to wet yourself?
Just another classic vineon deflection and reinvention of the term "racism". It has to feel pretty bad to know that you've been outed, your lies shattered, and your reinvention of a term exposed. Your petty deflections won't work. All you have to do is Google your questions and the answers are there... Don't be a lazy separatist, try doing something for yourself for once.
Interestingly, this is what wikipedia starts its 'racism' article with : "Racism is the belief that the genetic factors which constitute race, ethnicity, or nationality are a primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that ethnic differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race."
A hatred of the Québéccois would already fit this one definition but I'd at the very least also add religions to it.
Really? REALLY? Your position only makes sense in this regard if the "quebecois RACE" - as you claim the quebecois are a race - have some genetic traits and capacities that make them inferior...
Once again, do you ever get tired of being shown just how blindingly fucking stupid you are?
This is not 'reinventing the word.' Look and listen to what goes on around you, read your goddamn paper and it might hint that racism is used way beyond the completely dated concept of 'races' which you're too much of a pussy to define.
Besides, if I may ask, what 'race' do you belong to? How many 'races' are there? Is there a list of said 'races'? Perhaps anything that's been scientifically defined?
You are reinventing the word to suit your purposes. Listen, if you want to Google the human race, go right ahead. You'll find all the answers there. What you won't find there is any salvation, or any added ability to deflect the fact that YOU are a fraud.
A fraud? What's that other than demagogy, what do you even mean?
Are you denying that you are a racist for hating muslims? Are muslims are race? Should we rather call those that do 'religionists' instead of 'racists'?
Do you believe not adhering to the contemporary use of the term 'racist' somehow legitimize your hatred towards groups that aren't races? You still haven't told me what 'race' you belong to, how many were there and if any of this was ever scientifically defined.
I haven't said anything about hating muslims - and it only reinforces your dishonesty to try and deflect the controversy away from you claiming the quebecois are a race.
Really? You're a joke, a very bad joke. You're the punchline in a shitty cartoon.
I'm asking you if someone that systematicly hates muslim is a racist? I've asked you a hundred times, will you ever end up answering?
I've obviously never claimed the Québécois were a 'race', much the opposite. Hating them however I would still qualify as 'racism' for reasons given earlier : 'racism' transcends the word 'race'.
It's actually depressing now to see how dysfunctional you are. You keep claiming the quebecois are a race, and then you try to deny it, but then you demand answers that are designed to fit your assertion that the quebecois are a race.
All to try and save some face... This is a perfect example of why separatists are to be mocked and removed from the public forum - the movement is populated by individuals without reason or the ability to take responsibility for their failures.
You couldn't find a single sentence of mine that has me saying the Québécois are a 'race' simply because I do not even believe in the concept of 'races'.
'Racism' though, is a term I accept and is used to refer to discrimination based on a number of things, including nationality (to which wikipedia agrees), which would then include the Québécois.
Listen up, the quebecois are NOT a race - no matter how much you want to believe in it, it's NOT reality. In other words, you're WRONG. The quebecois are not a race, and hating separatists does not amount to racism.
Try to, for the love of God, try to get some help from mental health professionals.
Now I asked a few questions and it would be really nice if, for once, you'd actually make an effort to answer them.
But I've known for a while that you lack the balls to. I'm talking to a man flopping like a fish on land, in his desperate struggle to avoid being labelled a racist for his hatred towards the Québécois. What do you come up with? A small battle of semantics, "the Québécois aren't a race". Does that legitimizes the hatred in that small head of yours?
You're ridiculous! You? You're a character from a cartoon! You don't like your ignorance pointed out in a public forum so you then desperately begin trying to shift the focus away from your ignorance, stupidity, and duplicity. I know you recognize it, and I'm guessing your just upset that your quasi-intellectual facade has been shattered.
Really. The problem is everytime I ask you to pinpoint my 'ignorance' you come up with nothing. You also accuse me of being a liar and everytime I ask you what my lies were, similarly, you come back with nothing.
I see you're not interested to answer my questions, should I be suprised? I'm not of course, you're a coward. You're afraid of having an actual discussion, knowing this puts you at a huge disadvantage.
And once again you fall back on your intellectual dishonesty and moral duplicity. You're trying to change the focus - YET AGAIN - from your claim that the quebecois are a race. Funny, even when I pointed you in the right direction to find the information yourself, you STILL manage to bolster ALL MY POINTS. You are a stupid, backward, lazy cretin.
Even when you try to reinvent the term racism, you only further reinforce that you think the quebecois are a race...
Whoa, what information did you point me towards? Didn't all you say was 'use Google'? Thank you so much for showing me the way. Besides, what do you think is the first result on Google, other than the wiki page that gives a definition that fits mine and not yours?
Nothing that you've shown - nor in Google or Wikipedia - supports your contention that the quebecois are a race. No matter how much you want to cry about it - I'd be ashamed if I posted something that stupid as well so I understand why you're so desperate to change the conversation - you can't change the facts to fit your posts. The more you try, the more you show just how superior I am to you. It's a shame really, that you're so stupid to think the quebecois are a race.
Wow, thats quite case you have. How many times will I need to specify that I never said that I consider Québécois a 'race'. I said that the word 'racism' transcends the word 'race'. That it goes beyond the simple concept of 'races', which allows you to call a racist someone that discriminates based on nationality or religion.
Wikipedia mentions nationality in the first sentence of the 'racism' entry.
And yet you have, and it's all available for anyone who'd like to scroll down through your posts... You consider the quebecois a race and once challenged on it, you started trying to change the definition of racism.
Desperate to change the conversation from what? Are you kidding, you're the one to insists on continuing this worthless 'battle' of semantics simply because you do not accept the label 'racist' being applied to you.
I ask again a question you never answered, being too much of a pussy to : is systematic hatred towards the muslims racism?
And here we see you trying once again to change the topic by bringing muslims into the equation! What does religion have to do with race? Nothing - but if you can weasel a little more, you might just find something to save your argument. However, I refuse to participate because muslims have nothing to do with you considering the quebecois a race.
Look at Vineon! It's attacking me without notifying me so it can get in the last word! Fucking lazy separatist! Of course it knows its lies are available for all to read - all anyone or anything has to do is scroll through the 800odd comments...
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javierhayden94 1 week ago
This video went viral on Suriname
laysampson1231c 1 month ago
I watched this in social and everybody laughed so much!
Burrito50cal 4 months ago
HA HA HA j'ai pas mal ri la dessus thumbs up michel !!!
Bamledur 4 months ago
Le Governemoo. XD LOL
uberhaxor69 9 months ago 2
Oh my god. Bunch of paranoids. Seriously, this is a vulgar caricature. First, who's the most retarded? The one who thinks he said "fuck"? Or the one that doesn't know how to say ¨phoque¨ (seal) in english? Secondly, they don't like the beatles and Stephen Harper is a fan of the beatles.
Seriously, when you start to freak out about your culture like that it's the first sign that it is on its decline.
FreddyMontana69 9 months ago
@FreddyMontana69
It's rather a sign that under its conditions, which is being a 7 millions french nation surrounded by a 330 millions english nation, that a certain level of protectionnism is important to insure its vitality. You may not care about their culture, but they happen to.
I find it quite interesting that'd you call this paranoïa first and then insinuate that the culture is on a decline. Yeah, it'd be hypocrisy if you were smart enough to notice the contradiction.
Vineon 9 months ago
@FreddyMontana69
And yes this is a caricature and if you haven't noticed, it makes fun of both sides ; no side is 'more retarded' than the other.
Besides, you believe that a french person that doesn't know how to say 'phoque' in english is a retard?...
Vineon 9 months ago
@Vineon Haha! Ok...First, when you say; "You may not care about their culture, but they happen to." It might be important for you to notice that I'm myself a french canadian XD.
Secondly yes, there are contradictions in my sayings. But what I'm trying to say is that paranoïa is not a good reaction to these threats. Conspirations to destroy french in america, give me a break.
FreddyMontana69 9 months ago
@FreddyMontana69
L'êtes-vous véritablement, parce la plupart des dispositions protectionnistes concernant la langue et la culture sont massivement appuyés par les francophones. Si ce n'est pas votre cas, vous n'êtes simplement pas représentatif de la majorité. La Loi 101 par exemple, est appuyée par environ 85% des Québécois.
Vineon 9 months ago
@Vineon did the Romans need a loi 101 to protect Latin? have the Irish enacted a law to protect Gaelic? I direct your attention to Wikipedia where over 50 languages are either in decline or extinct wikipedia's "List_of_endangered_languages" did they/will they resort to protectionism to ensure their continuance? My guess is no they will die off or be merged with other languages. Why is it that the French language continues to use sexist models such as Masculine and Feminine it's absurd!
ethanhines 6 months ago
@ethanhines
You said "Why is it that the French language continues to use sexist models such as Masculine and Feminine it's absurd!"
What is absurd is that you insist it is a "sexist model", something I nearly fell out of my chair reading. You may not like it, but it adds a lot of precision to the language, a certain precision that english lacks. There's certainly nothing "sexist" about it, in any case.
Vineon 6 months ago
@ethanhines
Language protectonism actually exists everywhere, I have no idea why you intend to single out Québec this way. Most of what adds to cultural diversity is a good thing. There are hundreds of endangered languages, many of them a whole lot more than french is in Québec and yes most if not all of them resort to protectionism to "ensure their continuance".
Your guess that most will disappear is likely however still a good guess.
Vineon 6 months ago
@ethanhines
What makes Québec stand out when compared to much more endangered languages, such as the aboriginal languages in Canada, is that it controls a government which has juridiction over language and yet still a population that still speaks the language, very much likely to support legislation.
Something else probably of note, Bill 101 isn't actually very restricting.
Vineon 6 months ago
@FreddyMontana69
Personne ne parle de conspirations afin d'éliminer le français ; il n'y a pas de second rapport Durham en court, personne n'insinue cela.
Ce qui EST une réalité cependant, c'est la démographie actuelle, l'attrait de l'anglais comme langue de la mondialisation et l'hégémonie culturelle Américaine. Si le français est important au Québec ainsi que sa culture qui en découle, pour faire face à ces éléments, un certain protectionnisme est de mise.
Vineon 9 months ago
@Vineon Oh, and finally; No, I don't think a french person that doesn't know how to say "phoque" in english is a retard. Sure, it wouldn't be normal since we live in a province where people are SUPPOSED to learn english but that is not the point. The point is, that it's Michel Rivard we're talking about. A supposed "intelectual elite". And he's trying to teach us lessons about tolerance and opening to the world and he can't speak english?
FreddyMontana69 9 months ago
@FreddyMontana69 Why does he need to....all the rest of canada can barely speak french! yet this country was at first french...i mean....quebec is way better in english, than the rest of canada in french. but i get your point....
ATN123496 9 months ago
@FreddyMontana69
La majorité des Québécois ne sont pas bilingues. Il n'y a rien d'anormal à ne pas savoir comment dire 'phoque' en anglais.
Michel Rivard est un intellectuel depuis quand, ne lui en mettez pas trop sur le dos, 'artiste' est suffisant. D'ailleurs, bien qu'il joue son propre rôle dans ce clip, il ne joue pas véritablement son personnage à la lettre.
Vous donnez à ce clip un message qu'il n'essaie pas de porter.
Vineon 9 months ago
This video really makes me question what I'm actually saying when attempting to speak french...
supercowmanguy 10 months ago
skele skele mon colleague entrain de dire c que le governemoo.....LOLLLLL XD
uberhaxor69 10 months ago
the term "racial discrimination" shall mean any distinction, exclusion, restriction or preference based on race, colour, descent, OR national or ethnic origin which has the purpose or effect of nullifying or impairing the recognition, enjoyment or exercise, on an equal footing, of human rights and fundamental freedoms in the political, economic, social, cultural or any other field of public life.
International Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Racial Discrimination
UN 1965
583Jan 11 months ago
@583Jan
Finally someone clearing things up for vineon! Hopefully it will see the error of its ways and offer an apology, admit its fault, and go seek help from mental health professionals! quebecois separatists have always been racists - just remember the "pur laine" concept that still exists to this very day! Bill 101 is a formal declaration of racial discrimination, and therefor all moral, honest, and law-abiding citizens of Earth have a duty to revile it and its supporters.
PhilipJFry72 11 months ago
@PhilipJFry72
What was just pasted defines as racial discrimination discrimination based on descent and nationality, which is something I brought up myself earlier. Did you choose to bypass this part?
In other words, your hatred of the Québécois, under those specific terms, would make you a racist. You refuse to accept the label, but it still well suits you.
Vineon 11 months ago
Notice to all separatists - your most vocal proponent has declared the quebecois are a race, and he's desperately back-tracking until he can find someone to back up his statement! Please, help it out. It needs serious medical attention, and while you separatists have fucked up quebec's health care system to the point where it doesn't look sustainable, I'm positive that someone can take pity on poor vineon. He's delusional at best, a danger to itself at worse.
PhilipJFry72 11 months ago
@PhilipJFry72
It's gone off the deep end! It's so f-ing worried about being wrong - a weak sense of identity that can't accept being incorrect is a sign of mental illness...
PhilipJFry72 11 months ago
@PhilipJFry72
Don't worry about Vineon. As you already know he is a nut case as well as a retard. He didn't know the difference between ratio and rate and as such, his whole argument on another topic is completely redundant and useless.
albertabeefcowboy84 11 months ago
@albertabeefcowboy84
The difference between ratio and rates is small enough that in many case they are interchangeable. I could have used 'ratio' when I used 'rates' by slightly modifying my sentence.
You on the other end, insists that a comparisons between countries can be made without using measures 'per capita'. That is clearly not a fantastic showing of intelligence.
Vineon 11 months ago
@Vineon
Maybe not according to you, as if you are some big expert on people you don't even know and their degree of intelligence. But at least I know the difference between ratio and rate; most 10 know the difference as well.
albertabeefcowboy84 11 months ago
@albertabeefcowboy84
"Most 10?"
I'm intrigued though, whats the difference then? I found it to be quite subtle.
Vineon 11 months ago
@Vineon
Most 10 year olds know the difference. The difference is that a a ratio is the comparison between with the same unit ie: each person gets 5 apples or 1 person/ 5 apples. Rate is the amount or speed of it. Ratio is proportion of one thing to another.
albertabeefcowboy84 11 months ago
@albertabeefcowboy84
As for the ratio/rate answer, you interestingly quoted almost exactly what is the first answer given on google, which links to answer dot c o m.
Seems like you needed a 10 year old's help to answer this one.... or at least his way to define it.
=)
Vineon 11 months ago
@Vineon
I wanted a definition for you to understand so I picked the first one I found :)
Seems that a 10 year old knows the difference between ratio and rate while you do not.
albertabeefcowboy84 11 months ago
@albertabeefcowboy84
Besides, for the fuck of it, you've admitted being a racist towards the Québécois in that other video. I've accused PhilipJFry of the same for harbouring a similar hatred yet he contests it.
This is what is being argued here for a while and I find it quite hilarious that you'd hypocritically take his side after pretty much endorsing that vision of 'racism' he opposes.
=)
Vineon 11 months ago
@Vineon
Quebecois isn't a race, so I can't possibly be racist towards it. Calling me a racist is the first and only argument liberals make when someone has the audacity or balls to tell it like it is.
Whether or not Philip is a racist is a moot point. That is not the discussion here. He has made his argument and point, and you have not. That is why I am supporting him.
albertabeefcowboy84 11 months ago
@albertabeefcowboy84
Yet what you'd reacted with was "I prefer being a racist than".
Racism, as proven by a definition that PhilipJFry endorsed himself just earlier, refers to more than the simple concept of race.
You hate a clear cut group of people, namely the french people of Québec. This makes you a racist.
What you support, is a view you did not even agree with in another video, hence the hypocrisy.
Vineon 11 months ago
@Vineon
I said that because you labelled me as one. If the french people of Quebec don't want to be hated then they should smarten up, stop with the incessant and unwarranted demands and help unify canada instead of trying to form their own country. Have some bilingual signs in Quebec. Why should Ontario only be bilingual? Why should we pay for that? Quebec wants french signs in Ontario then Quebec should pay for all of it.
albertabeefcowboy84 11 months ago
@albertabeefcowboy84
I did label you as a racist and you seemed fine with the idea at the time.
I don't give a fuck what language is on signs in Ont, feel free to remove every bit of french on them. It certainly isn't Québec that forces Ontario into adding it, they're under no obligation to do so.
Besides, the Québécois that want to stay in country believe in this myth of bilingualism, you may not want to crush that dream they share, they might end up wanting their own country..
Vineon 11 months ago
@Vineon
Maybe you should give a fuck then.
Bilingualism has no place in Canada and they do not deserve their own country. If they want french, move to France. No one is stopping them. Actually, people want them to go.
albertabeefcowboy84 11 months ago
@albertabeefcowboy84
What lovely intransigeance.
'You cannot have bilingualism and you cannot have your own country.'
A nice way to alienate all the Québécois, the federalists who believe in bilingualism coast to coasts and the sovereignists who want their own country.
I could always answer that if bilingualism offends you, you are just as free to move as I am. I heard America is english... you may even want to "go back to England", to paraphrase your stupidity.
Vineon 11 months ago
@Vineon
Its not intransigeance at all. Plus, you are putting words in my mouth. I never said, "'You cannot have bilingualism 'You cannot have bilingualism and you cannot have your own country." Second, the Quebecois are alienating themselves by trying to be different. If they were truly Canadian they would cease trying to form their own country. Last time I checked Canada was one country not two.
albertabeefcowboy84 11 months ago
@albertabeefcowboy84 Funny coming from a person from Alberta, they want to be their own country even more than Quebec does. Please inform yourself before commenting.
hochmeisterjer 11 months ago
@hochmeisterjer
What the hell are you talking about? There has been NO talk WHATSOEVER about Alberta separating from Canada. Please inform yourself before commenting.
albertabeefcowboy84 11 months ago
@albertabeefcowboy84
I'll start clear by saying you are a complete idiot. Here's that off my chest.
The Québécois do not 'try' to be different, they are. To this, the claim that all provinces are all different is valid, just never as much as Québec's claim to be socially distinct, which is backed up by a plethora of sociologists. Ontarians have not referred to themselves as a nation thus far.
Vineon 11 months ago
@Vineon
Prove it.
I am much smarter than you realize which supports the fact that you yourself are a complete idiot. If you mean that the Quebecois are low class, low intelligence, moral less, worthless, retards then yes they are different. Are this sociologists from Quebec? If so, whatever they have to say is irrelevant Ontario is not a nation, thats why. Duh!.
albertabeefcowboy84 11 months ago
@albertabeefcowboy84
You are a racist and certainly not a smart one.
That is all, something anyone with a brain would conclude after reading any of your paragraphs.
Quite a bunch of English Canadian and Americans sociologists naturally came to the fact that Québec is a nation. See it is hard to dispute facts. Joel Garreau is one of them and made it quite clear in his very well known book "The 9 Nations of North America".
Vineon 10 months ago
@Vineon This is why you people were given your own province. Its not enough that you have it, you must have french spread to all corners of Canada as well. You guys are welcome to go off in your canoes and find a nice little uninhabited island somewhere and live there if you want to form your own country that bad. Bilingualism doesn't offend me. Its enforcing language laws and making english a second class language in a english colony that offends me.
albertabeefcowboy84 11 months ago
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hochmeisterjer 11 months ago
@albertabeefcowboy84
Québec sovereignists such as myself care little about french outside the province, knowing full well the language isn't going to be 'official' for long once Québec secedes. The only ones that do care, are the Québec federalists that believe in this shitty country and this utopia that is bilingualism coast to coast. If you knew just how little I care about the damn french on your stupid cereal box...
Institutionalized bilingualism obviously offends you.
Vineon 11 months ago
@Vineon
Of course it does. I have a problem with it when people in Ontario answer with a "bonjour", I have problems when I see so many lousy Quebec drivers in Ontario, I have a problem when the government of Ontario has to raise our taxes to make bilingual signs in Ottawa.
If you don't care then why should anyone else? All your posts are now moot and useless. If you don't care then why have you carried this youtube crusade for so long?
albertabeefcowboy84 11 months ago
@albertabeefcowboy84
It isn't only recognized by 'sociologists' as it only takes a human set of two eyes and two ears to notice and recognize Québec a nation. Ray Conlogue, an art critic for the Globe & Mail, quite exposed to the differences between English Canada and Québec, has written quite a few books on the subject.
One I would recommend : "Impossible Nation : The Belonging of Homeland in Canada & Quebec".
Vineon 10 months ago
@Vineon
If it is, then how can it possibly be in danger?
albertabeefcowboy84 10 months ago
@albertabeefcowboy84
Probably because something's current existence doesn't guarantee its future existence.
Québec is going through demographical changes and America's cultural hegemony has never been as strong as it currently is.
When the ratio (trust me, this is the right use for it) is 40 anglophones for 1 francophone on the continent, you need to constantly monitor your society's evolution and react accordingly if cultural maintenance is sought.
Vineon 10 months ago
@Vineon
Considering the government 's policing of language laws, I doubt it will go away any time soon. I assume you are talking about culture as it applies to Quebec aka francophones and not multiculturalism.
I don't mind having culture, just as long as it doesn't interfere with other cultures and other people's lives and that french remains only in Quebec. I don't want to see bilingual signs and things on this side.
albertabeefcowboy84 10 months ago
@albertabeefcowboy84
Kindly back up the Québec secessionists then. Once they do leave Canada, there will be little use for 'bilingualism coast to coast'. French will be a thing of the past, as if it never existed. Just like you want it.
No more of those so awful bilingual signs.
Vineon 10 months ago
@Vineon
We can only hope..this day cannot come soon enough for me.
albertabeefcowboy84 10 months ago
@Vineon That's what you think... there is a lot of francophone that live outside québec. you should do some research
kev064 4 months ago
@kev064
I am not sure what you are replying to but I'd hardly call less than 5% of the rest of Canada "a lot of francophones". Especially considering most of them are either NB's Acadians, live very close to Québec or are part of the few surviving french 'hot spots' in Ontario and elsewhere, like the Sudbury or Saint-Boniface communities.
Vineon 4 months ago
@albertabeefcowboy84
The rest of your comment reeks of hypocrisy. Is it in your home Alberta or your new home Ontario that english is treated as a 2nd rate language? Was that a joke? Clearly you must not actually believe that? Did you mean Québec? Have you not realized Québec consists mostly of french people? Were you not that guy that would rather bilingualism be shut down in english provinces? Yet the same guy has a problem with english's status in the one province where it is a minority?
Vineon 11 months ago
@Vineon My stupidity? My ancestors discovered North America, you moron. I have already specified that. We were here before the english! If you truly believe in bilingualism coast to coast and forming a new country within Canada then you truly are a terrorist, an inept retard, and an elitist bastard
albertabeefcowboy84 11 months ago
@albertabeefcowboy84
Your ancestors "discovered North America?" You never specified having First Nations ancestry.
I do not believe in bilingualism coast to coast, never did and never will, nor do I want a country 'within Canada'.
Is everything I'm saying going over your head? Good lord.
Vineon 11 months ago
@Vineon
My ancestors were vikings and landed here before Columbus. What do you want then? What do you want for Quebec?
Everything you said I understand. Wish I could say the same for you.
albertabeefcowboy84 11 months ago
@albertabeefcowboy84
And myth it certainly is. You give a lot of shit to Québec people struggling to write proper english but you certainly quickly look past how limited you personally are linguistically.
Have those french signs ever taught you anything about the language. Of course not.
Vineon 11 months ago
@Vineon
Exactly. It works both ways. I struggle with french and I get shit for it, so I give it back to Quebec people. An eye for an eye, right. Last time I checked this was Youtube. Linguistics add only confusion to the mix, why beat around the bush. I could say the same about you. You haven't proven how supposedly gifted you are linguistically either. Those french signs are in french, therefore how can I understand them? Second, kind of hard to figure out what they mean when you're driving.
albertabeefcowboy84 11 months ago
@albertabeefcowboy84
I very much doubt you get shit for struggling with french, the language is nowhere near required where you live to function in society.
It simply takes a complete retard to attack someone on this aspect. I never said I was 'linguistically gifted' either, my english being quite far from perfect. It satisfies me, however.
Do you not recognize what a Stop sign is without the word 'Stop' being written on it?
Vineon 11 months ago
@Vineon Like I mention many times before, I suggest you travel around Ontario and see what bs we have to put up with on a daily basis. In Ottawa, we can't work at McDonald's without being bilingual. That says a lot about jobs here, doesn't it? You implied being linguistically gifted otherwise you wouldn't even have brought it up in the first place.
Japanese stop signs have the shape of a North American yield sign so it depends if you are talking about a strictly North American society.
albertabeefcowboy84 11 months ago
@albertabeefcowboy84
Dude, it's the same thing in Montreal and we're a bigger city. Stop being bitter, adapt, and deal with it, calisse de tabarnak! (And I work in Alberta, so I'm utterly not impressed with your handle(nickname)...albertabeefcowboy, hahaha! So many of them in reality! So many...
Tupperfan 11 months ago
@Tupperfan
What are you talking about? "same thing in Montreal" Are you referring to the anglophones in montreal? or the fact that francophones can't find jobs in montreal?
I am not impressed with your nickname either, whatever it means. I was born in Alberta, I don't reside there any longer but I aim to go back, namely because there are no anglophone jobs here for some reason. And no, I am not going to "adapt" and learn french because that means they win, which is what they want.
albertabeefcowboy84 11 months ago
@albertabeefcowboy84
I do not believe for one second that you cannot work at McDonald's in Ottawa without being bilingual.
As for jobs related to the government, I do not sympathise. This country is yet, until Québec's secession, bilingual and Ottawa is straight on the Québec border.
Interestingly, you know what a Japanese stop sign looks like but you're concerned about a stop sign with french written on it.
Vineon 11 months ago
@Vineon
I really don't give a shit what you believe. And if you don't that's not my problem. This is why most government employees are inept, which is why they waste so much money and resources all the while by doing nothing. Ottawa is in Ontario, not Quebec, it doesn't matter if its near the border.
albertabeefcowboy84 11 months ago
@albertabeefcowboy84
Ottawa is the national capital of a country that claims to be 'bilingual'. It's a surprise to no one that from this premise, this government will require bilingual people working for it.
Quick are you to forget this.
Vineon 10 months ago
There no more retarded that Hollywood PQ.
Soberguysknowsbest 11 months ago
J'adore Stephane Rousseau :) Je suis Anglaise, mais je l'ai vu a la télé quand j'étais en France l'année dernière et je pensais qu'il a un accent un peu bizarre car je ne savais pas qu'il vienne de Quebec. Bien que je n'ai pas compris la plupart de ce qu'il disait, il est amusant quand même grâce a ses gestes. Excusez mon français, j'ai seulement 17 ans. J'espère qu'a l'avenir il peut faire un [stand up] pour ses [fans] qui parlent l'anglais.
xpledgeturnprestigex 11 months ago
@xpledgeturnprestigex
Votre français semble impeccable et même s'il ne l'était pas, il n'est pas nécessaire de s'en excuser.
De mémoire, à part André-Philippe Gagnon, je ne connais pas beaucoup d'humoristes Québécois (et même dans son cas, c'est plutôt des imitations) qui ont percé le marché anglophone... mais qui sait.
Vineon 11 months ago
Did you or did you not suggest deportations and the death penalty to deal with the Qc separatists?
Vineon 11 months ago
@Vineon deportation has already been used byenglish idiot !
foncleaa 11 months ago
@foncleaa
Thanks, I'm perfectly aware and that was a long time before anyone currently alive's grandma's grandma was even born. I assume you had the Great Upheaval in mind.
A second coming of the deportations has no chance to happen in contemporary Canada, the least you could do is aknowledge that. If you don't, it is clear to me who the idiot is here.
Vineon 11 months ago
@Vineon It's you who are suggesting deportation or death penalty, not me. So it's obvious you are idiot to give such ideas
foncleaa 11 months ago
@foncleaa
Have mercy... I'm mocking PhilipJFry for suggesting it, I am not suggesting it myself.
I simply insinuated that if it was simply proposed by anyone with actual political weight (rather than PhilipJFry), it would make everyone in Québec a sovereignist.
Vineon 11 months ago
@Vineon
I suggested the appropriate punishment for treason, which was hanging, and that if people want to leave Canada they can - but the land stays Canadian.
PhilipJFry72 11 months ago
@PhilipJFry72
So if you were elected as Canadian Prime Minister, would you put to death by hanging of half of the Québécois that claims to be sovereignists? A mass genocide of millions? Do you believe those that didn't believe in Québec sovereignty wouldn't suddenly trust it would be best for the Québécois?
You would love to hang me, my friends and my family, wouldn't you. The nerves they have, they believe Québec should be a country. To death!
Vineon 11 months ago
@Vineon
No, it'd be simple - have trials for the leaders of the movement. Once it's proven they are traitors to the country, the judicial system would determine the penalty. I would naturally have to abide by that decision, however much I'd prefer just taking a few horses out near a tall and sturdy tree.
But the point would be conveyed. If they want to stay in Canada, quit trying to destroy it. If they want to destroy Canada, there are planes leaving every hour...
PhilipJFry72 11 months ago
@PhilipJFry72
Canada knows best than to jail, hang or simply trial people hoping to achieve something democratically.
What politician of yours will have the courage to stand by your positions?
Vineon 11 months ago
@Vineon
Just watch how quickly the tanks will be fired-up should Canada actually be threatened... It's human nature, and there's too much bad blood for there not to be violence. Just make sure you don't survive - afterall, separatism is a cause you dearly believe in, right? You should be the first one to raid the armouries to defend your "country"...
PhilipJFry72 11 months ago
@PhilipJFry72
I don't plan to use violence to promote or achieve Qc sovereignty, which I'm pretty sure is an opinion shared by nearly all of them. Believe it or not, we actually believe we can achieve it democratically.
Until proven otherwise that is.
Vineon 11 months ago
@Vineon
Well then, try... Oh wait, you tried and tried, and STILL just a province in Canada!
PhilipJFry72 11 months ago
@Vineon
If that is an opinion shared by all of them, then the whole of Quebec must be nuked. No, not really, but it proves that no one in Quebec has a brain.
albertabeefcowboy84 11 months ago
@Vineon
That proves how diseased your family's minds are and how retarded they are.
albertabeefcowboy84 11 months ago
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@albertabeefcowboy84
Quoting you :
"Being a racist is much better than a left-wing insane nut job (...) "
Vineon 11 months ago
Unfortunalely, the return isn't a dollar for 2 cents.
Vineon 11 months ago
@Vineon
Okay, so more like 2 cents gets quebec five dollars. Point is, the liberals sold out Canada and now we have traitorous dogs like you that need to be removed. You're a cancer on Canada. You'll be quite surprised at the militancy of Canadians when what they love - Canada - is threatened with separation. Good thing for us is that separatists are lazy, and as you've proven over and over and over again, incapable of action.
PhilipJFry72 11 months ago
@PhilipJFry72
Well we've had referendums on the question, I'd call that action. We simply to not intend to do anything without a support of the majority as we believe in democracy. Canada would actually have a tougher time fighting a democratic victory than any other stunt we could pull, none of which I would back up.
Are you capable of action yourself? It takes quite a bit more than being the resident racist on Youtube, as you currently are, to claim being a man of action.
Vineon 11 months ago
@Vineon
YAWN - so now the separatists are a RACE?
PhilipJFry72 11 months ago
@PhilipJFry72
You know full well your hatred goes much beyond only the 'separatists' up to whoever represents "french in Québec" and that not a single Québécois, may he be sovereignist or federalist, would share some of your most extreme views.
Do you think the rest of Québec would happily agree with Canada branding the sovereignists as 'traitors' so that legal punishing measures be applied to them? Do you expect a "thank you, we've been waiting for this"??
Vineon 11 months ago
when i arrived in canada, i was shocked by the pitiful translations from english into french: more than ridiculous, it is also dandgerous for safety. It's a complet lack of consideration for customers.
The canadian gouvernment should consider french candian in or outside quebec because from what i know from cultural events, musics..... come from them. English canadians are hidden behind US, it looks like there is nothing emerging from them: no inspiration, no diversity, no asperity
foncleaa 1 year ago
@foncleaa
Yeah, you're a little off the wall there. I'd like you to showcase exactly where the pitiful translations are, because the closer you get to Ottawa, or any federal gvt document, the more likely it was written in french first, then poorly translated in English. Why? It's only the hyper-sensitive french separatist types who care about the translation, so "the squeaky wheel is getting the grease".
PhilipJFry72 1 year ago
@PhilipJFry72 why are you talking about separatist, I talked about TRANSLATION ! May be there are right to look for their own state when I read people like you. As most of the french canadians told me: they have nothing against english but they are opposit and actually they don't care about french canadians.
Personnaly I would want to pay taxes for a gouvernment that doesn't support my culture. And with a idiot like harper, Canada is not going to make the diffrence .
foncleaa 1 year ago
@foncleaa
FUCK YOU! You're right the fuck out of it. You don't know a goddamned thing about the separatist divide, and quite honestly, if you're too fucking stupid to see the correlation between separatists and language/TRANSLATION, then how the fuck did you get into my country in the first place.
You're the fucking idiot. Culture should NOT be funded by the state when that culture is actively trying to destroy the state! IDIOT!
PhilipJFry72 1 year ago
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foncleaa 1 year ago
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@PhilipJFry72 I have not been rude with you so calm down. Your reaction is obisously the proof I am right. You english native speaker want to control everything, you are intellectualy limited that why you don't make any differences between defending a culture and separatism. Other proof: we are know writing in english..... do you speak any french ? NO, basically you can't speak to 30% of canadians but the french canadians can talk to you..... if they want to translate of course.
foncleaa 1 year ago
@PhilipJFry72
The "separatists" aren't the ones interested in a bilingual Canada. They are the ones interested in having their own country, a french country.
Those that do demand bilingualism are the Quebec federalists you've falsely convinced their country is bilingual. Or English Canadians afraid those federalists might join in with the Québec sovereignists if they ever find out just how much of a fraud Canada's bilingualism is.
Vineon 1 year ago
@Vineon
Here we go again... Trying to defend separatists. REALLY? REALLY? Just accept the reality it'll never happen and that you're always welcome to leave Canada to build that country, but the land that quebec currently occupies, belongs to Canada. You can leave ANYTIME, but the land stays with us. Bye now!
PhilipJFry72 1 year ago
@PhilipJFry72
Really.
Why wouldn't I, they are not all that hard to "defend" considering everybody in Québec considers their position as legitimate. Only outside Québec do some find it incomprehensive that some dare "defending" the evil separatists.
Québec land belongs to the Québécois and with it they'll do as they see fit. If they think it should be made a country, it will be.
Vineon 1 year ago
@Vineon
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
CANADA OWNS THE LAND. NO ONE DISPUTES THAT.
Of course, you cower behind the reality that most people who happen to inhabit that land don't want to leave, and especially now that Charest has shown just how expensive their "country" is - even WITH CANADIAN support, quebec's finances are a disaster, just like the roads and health care!
PhilipJFry72 1 year ago
@PhilipJFry72
Wrong.
I've always said that a majority doesnt want a country and I deplore it. That said, that can change, theres been times when a majority did want it. It's that close.
All provinces posted deficits during this recession and Québec was one of the smallest when compared to its GDP. It isn't Québec that announced a 25 billions yearly deficit, but Ontario. Québec's deficit, in comparison, wasn't even 5 bils. Before the recession, Québec went 10 years without deficit.
Vineon 1 year ago
@Vineon
Financed BY CANADA. Remember that, ALWAYS remember that - quebec was bought by the liberals in the 60's, 70's, 90's, and because of that, the Conservatives had to buy quebec in the 80's; although now there seems to be some sense in Ottawa to start cutting off the special funds and consideration for quebec. Ontario is starting to tighten its borders, which is scaring the business community.
PhilipJFry72 1 year ago
@PhilipJFry72
The Québécois pay taxes to Canada, it is perfectly natural to ask for a return of investment.
Always remember that.
Vineon 1 year ago
@Vineon
So... What? You pay 2 cents and expect a dollar? Piss off!
PhilipJFry72 11 months ago
@PhilipJFry72
As for health care, it is shit in Québec but a lot to it has to do with the Canadian system. It isn't only struggling in Québec, unless you weren't paying attention. Québec, believe it or not, has more doctors per capita than most other provinces.
As for the roads, I know this is a common complaint but I've yet to personally have problems with it. Then again, I don't live in Montreal.
Vineon 1 year ago
@PhilipJFry72 you are brainless, just reading your comment is a wast of time, you're not even able to discuss a point without beeing rude.
foncleaa 1 year ago
@foncleaa
FUCK YOU. You show up, what, two years into this pointless bullshit from vineon, and then you want to pass judgement? FUCK OFF. Who the fuck do you think you are?
PhilipJFry72 1 year ago
@PhilipJFry72 two f**** in one sentance in too much...................... you are illiterate that why you are just able to insult and not building efficent analyses.................................last message: VIVE LE QUEBEC LIBRE !
foncleaa 1 year ago
@foncleaa
Illiterate? You're ridiculous, you stupid fuck! Try using a dictionary and using some form of Spellcheck before you attack someone, you fucking tit!
I don't need to build any "efficient analyses..." - they've ALREADY BEEN DONE, fuckface!
PhilipJFry72 11 months ago
@PhilipJFry72
Notifying you this time, as you've once said that I was "afraid" of your "answers" by not doing so.
You're no threat, Philip. You're never been able to mount a decent argument and all that comes out of your comments is your little hate, every time.
You're an asset to the Qc sovereignty movement ; you do it more good than harm.
Vineon 11 months ago
@Vineon
You've never presented a good argument, nor are the separatists capable of separating. I still, like the majority of Canadians, think separatists are traitors. They should be treated as such. You call it hate? Physician heal thyself - you hate the greatest country in the world, and seek to destroy it. It is only rational to hate those who wish to destroy what is loved and admired. You bring ignorance and hate, you get it in return.
Treason used to be punished by hanging! Pity...
PhilipJFry72 11 months ago
@PhilipJFry72
I'll take the bait.
The problem with you is that you refuse to hold a real debate. Obviously Québec does not send 2 cents to Ottawa for every 5 bucks it receives, as you claim ; this much is ridiculous. If you're keen on arguing that Québec does get a whole lot more than it sends, argue it decently. With sources, actual numbers.. and lets have a decent discussion.
This is what you are afraid of, knowing yourself unharmed for a real debate. Your little demagogy is worthless.
Vineon 11 months ago
@Vineon
YAWN
PhilipJFry72 11 months ago
@PhilipJFry72
"yawn"
Probably your most intelligent comment thus far. Keep it up.
Vineon 11 months ago
@Vineon
You just keep believing the separatists are a race!
PhilipJFry72 11 months ago
@PhilipJFry72
You are a cretin, I've noticed.... but not so much that you'd believe that I believe the separatists are a "race".
The term used was also 'racism', which is a term that transcends 'race'. For instance, it is possible to be racist against muslims disregarding the fact that it is a religion and not a "race". "Race" doesn't mean much to me, in fact.
You are just trying to avoid the label but to me, your hatred of the Québécois (and not only the sovereignists), make you a racist.
Vineon 11 months ago
@Vineon
You called me a racist, yet nothing I've said can be construed as such. You're changing the definition of racism to suit your own ends, much like pretty much every quebec separatist changes the facts concerning the federal relationship between Canada and quebec to better suit their twisted ideology.
No matter how much you dance around the issue, you're still wrong.
PhilipJFry72 11 months ago
@PhilipJFry72
Racism transcends the word "race" now, this is something you need to realize. There does not exist a word such as "religionism", for instance, thus hatred for members of a religion is also considered racism. You clearly hate the Québécois.
Vineon 11 months ago
@Vineon
Oh? So, once again, separatists have assumed the mantle of being the sole authority over everyone... You can create words and change meanings, but that doesn't make them true. You're showing just how irrational, morally-bankrupt, and intellectually deficient you are.
PhilipJFry72 11 months ago
@PhilipJFry72
Hardly a "separatist" initiative. If you've never heard the term 'racism' used against muslims, for instance, I'm really wondering what rock you've been living under.
Vineon 11 months ago
@Vineon
Just because the term is used improperly doesn't give your position and misuse any legitimacy.
So, seriously, put all those "talents" of yours to good use and separate out into space! Solve the world's, not just Canada's problems. You pretend to be so smart! Go on now, boy! You've can't waste your time on the Internet picking fights with someone who is morally and ethically superior to you! Go! Boy, don't waste your talents! You have a destiny beyond the stars...
PhilipJFry72 11 months ago
@PhilipJFry72
Is someone that hates muslims a racist or not? If not, what is he?
Trust me, you do more here to convince the Québécois to secede than I could manage.
Vineon 11 months ago
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@PhilipJFry72
You are a cretin, I've noticed.... but not so much that you'd believe that I believe the separatists are a "race".
The term used was also 'racism', which is a term that transcends 'race'. For instance, it is possible to be racist against muslims disregarding the fact that it is a religion and not a "race". "Race" doesn't mean much to me, in fact.
You are just trying to avoid the label but to me, your hatred of the Québécois (and not only the sovereignists), makes you a racist.
Vineon 11 months ago
@PhilipJFry72
I very much doubt a majority of Canadians want the Qc sovereignists treated as 'traitors'. At least not in the way you believe traitors should be dealt with (read deportations and the death penalty).
Don't confuse yourself into thinking I'm not wishing they did : it would make it a lot easier to the sovereignty movement if every Canadian was as crazy as you are. Unfortunately, they aren't.
If you knew just how much I would love a Canadian politician to hold your positions...
Vineon 11 months ago
@Vineon
I never said the majority wanted the bastards hung... You bore me.
PhilipJFry72 11 months ago
@PhilipJFry72
But you do, right? Isn't this something, along with deportations, that you once proposed?
Vineon 11 months ago
@Vineon
Why don't you go grab a dictionary, surf the Internet, consult a few encyclopedias, and find out what a "Race" is.
PhilipJFry72 11 months ago
@PhilipJFry72 You are illiterate: three "fuck" in one sentence is the proof of your lack of ability in discussing a point using efficient analyses.... If you hate the french canadians, why do you want to keep Québec part of canada? It's as stupid as you are. By the way make me a list of good reason to keep québec in the UNITED STATES OF CANADA ? in french of course, I want to have fun :)
foncleaa 11 months ago
@foncleaa
Fuck you. I use "fuck" by design, in case you were wondering. As to my bilingual abilities, why would I lower myself to your request? You seem to think you have a moral edge, but even if I did want to "discuss" in french, there's no way you'd know if it was really my french. Why? The Internet has shitloads of translation sites, you fucking moron!
PhilipJFry72 11 months ago
@PhilipJFry72
If you had any experience whatsover with translation programs on the internet, you'd know all of them are severly lacking and are rarely reliable. If you were to use any of them, it'd show.
Vineon 11 months ago
@Vineon
Oh? Seriously, with all your smugness, sense of self-entitlement, and superiority complex, why are you wasting all your talents here on the Internet. Go forth, put your talents to use! I'm sure with someone like you leading the separatists, not only would quebec separate from Canada, it'd separate from North America, and why stop there? I'm sure you could take the quebecois "race" into space...
PhilipJFry72 11 months ago
@PhilipJFry72
The Québécois aren't and were never a 'race', a term I actually much despise.
It is however yet still 'racism' to hate the Québécois.
Vineon 11 months ago
@Vineon
And once again, you're lying! You claimed that quebeckers were a race! Not to mention that I hate separatists, not necessarily quebeckers.
So, how are you going to tap dance your way out of that?
Oh let me guess, you'll ignore it or offer some limp-dicked denial...
PhilipJFry72 11 months ago
@PhilipJFry72
Nope, I never ever in my life ever claimed the Québécois are a "race". I don't even fucking believe in that concept that exists "races".
Why would I suddenly ignore you? If you to claim I lie, the thing you should actually do is quote me and prove that I did. If I ever said the Québécois were a race, I'd love to see it.
Vineon 11 months ago
@Vineon
All you have to do is scroll down. "Racism" is a term used for RACES. The second you started claiming racism became the second you claimed the quebecois were a race.
PhilipJFry72 11 months ago
@PhilipJFry72
I also said that 'racism' transcends the word 'race'.
Otherwise you couldn't be a racist towards 'muslims'. I wouldn't call Americans a race either, yet someone with a deep hatred for them could also be qualified as a 'racist'.
Besides, what is a race? Can you come up with a definition thats a bit beyond what'd you find in dictionaries?
Vineon 11 months ago
@Vineon
You can call a lump of shit a soft diamond but that doesn't make it so... But no, go on, pretend like all separatists that you're being hard-done by and then, once you've been emasculated, you can try to turn the table on end by forcing those who challenge your beliefs. It's a sign of not only intellectual dishonesty and moral laziness, but also passive-aggressive. YOU misused the term "racism" and therefor YOU have to atone. YOU, got it? YOU. quebeckers are a race? Fuck off!
PhilipJFry72 11 months ago
@PhilipJFry72
You do not challenge anyone's belief, you lack the proper intelligence to. This is meant to be more of a wake-up call than an insult, although take it the way you want to.
I have little problem with the Québécois that reject separatism and most (some?) of them can reasonably defend their opinions. You on the other hand do not oppose my views, you don't argue against them, you try to demonize them... after all, what better way to legitimize the little hatred of a little man.
Vineon 11 months ago
@PhilipJFry72
'Racism' transcends 'race'.
I would be a racist for hating all Germans yet I wouldn't call them a 'race'.
I would be a racist for hating all Muslims yet I wouldn't call them a 'race'.
You are a racist for this strong hatred you harbour towards the Québécois even though I wouldn't consider them a 'race'.
Besides, 'race' is not a word I intend to ever use and if I recall, I asked you for a definition. Will it come or are you still too much a coward to wet yourself?
Vineon 11 months ago
@Vineon
Just another classic vineon deflection and reinvention of the term "racism". It has to feel pretty bad to know that you've been outed, your lies shattered, and your reinvention of a term exposed. Your petty deflections won't work. All you have to do is Google your questions and the answers are there... Don't be a lazy separatist, try doing something for yourself for once.
PhilipJFry72 11 months ago
@PhilipJFry72
Interestingly, this is what wikipedia starts its 'racism' article with : "Racism is the belief that the genetic factors which constitute race, ethnicity, or nationality are a primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that ethnic differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race."
A hatred of the Québéccois would already fit this one definition but I'd at the very least also add religions to it.
Vineon 11 months ago
@Vineon
Really? REALLY? Your position only makes sense in this regard if the "quebecois RACE" - as you claim the quebecois are a race - have some genetic traits and capacities that make them inferior...
Once again, do you ever get tired of being shown just how blindingly fucking stupid you are?
PhilipJFry72 11 months ago
@PhilipJFry72
This is not 'reinventing the word.' Look and listen to what goes on around you, read your goddamn paper and it might hint that racism is used way beyond the completely dated concept of 'races' which you're too much of a pussy to define.
Besides, if I may ask, what 'race' do you belong to? How many 'races' are there? Is there a list of said 'races'? Perhaps anything that's been scientifically defined?
Vineon 11 months ago
@Vineon
You are reinventing the word to suit your purposes. Listen, if you want to Google the human race, go right ahead. You'll find all the answers there. What you won't find there is any salvation, or any added ability to deflect the fact that YOU are a fraud.
PhilipJFry72 11 months ago
@PhilipJFry72
A fraud? What's that other than demagogy, what do you even mean?
Are you denying that you are a racist for hating muslims? Are muslims are race? Should we rather call those that do 'religionists' instead of 'racists'?
Do you believe not adhering to the contemporary use of the term 'racist' somehow legitimize your hatred towards groups that aren't races? You still haven't told me what 'race' you belong to, how many were there and if any of this was ever scientifically defined.
Vineon 11 months ago
@Vineon
I haven't said anything about hating muslims - and it only reinforces your dishonesty to try and deflect the controversy away from you claiming the quebecois are a race.
Really? You're a joke, a very bad joke. You're the punchline in a shitty cartoon.
PhilipJFry72 11 months ago
@PhilipJFry72
I'm asking you if someone that systematicly hates muslim is a racist? I've asked you a hundred times, will you ever end up answering?
I've obviously never claimed the Québécois were a 'race', much the opposite. Hating them however I would still qualify as 'racism' for reasons given earlier : 'racism' transcends the word 'race'.
Really.
Vineon 11 months ago
@Vineon
It's actually depressing now to see how dysfunctional you are. You keep claiming the quebecois are a race, and then you try to deny it, but then you demand answers that are designed to fit your assertion that the quebecois are a race.
All to try and save some face... This is a perfect example of why separatists are to be mocked and removed from the public forum - the movement is populated by individuals without reason or the ability to take responsibility for their failures.
PhilipJFry72 11 months ago
@PhilipJFry72
Dear racist,
You couldn't find a single sentence of mine that has me saying the Québécois are a 'race' simply because I do not even believe in the concept of 'races'.
'Racism' though, is a term I accept and is used to refer to discrimination based on a number of things, including nationality (to which wikipedia agrees), which would then include the Québécois.
Vineon 11 months ago
@Vineon
Listen up, the quebecois are NOT a race - no matter how much you want to believe in it, it's NOT reality. In other words, you're WRONG. The quebecois are not a race, and hating separatists does not amount to racism.
Try to, for the love of God, try to get some help from mental health professionals.
PhilipJFry72 11 months ago
@PhilipJFry72
Now I asked a few questions and it would be really nice if, for once, you'd actually make an effort to answer them.
But I've known for a while that you lack the balls to. I'm talking to a man flopping like a fish on land, in his desperate struggle to avoid being labelled a racist for his hatred towards the Québécois. What do you come up with? A small battle of semantics, "the Québécois aren't a race". Does that legitimizes the hatred in that small head of yours?
Vineon 11 months ago
@Vineon
You're ridiculous! You? You're a character from a cartoon! You don't like your ignorance pointed out in a public forum so you then desperately begin trying to shift the focus away from your ignorance, stupidity, and duplicity. I know you recognize it, and I'm guessing your just upset that your quasi-intellectual facade has been shattered.
PhilipJFry72 11 months ago
@PhilipJFry72
Really. The problem is everytime I ask you to pinpoint my 'ignorance' you come up with nothing. You also accuse me of being a liar and everytime I ask you what my lies were, similarly, you come back with nothing.
I see you're not interested to answer my questions, should I be suprised? I'm not of course, you're a coward. You're afraid of having an actual discussion, knowing this puts you at a huge disadvantage.
Vineon 11 months ago
@Vineon
And once again you fall back on your intellectual dishonesty and moral duplicity. You're trying to change the focus - YET AGAIN - from your claim that the quebecois are a race. Funny, even when I pointed you in the right direction to find the information yourself, you STILL manage to bolster ALL MY POINTS. You are a stupid, backward, lazy cretin.
Even when you try to reinvent the term racism, you only further reinforce that you think the quebecois are a race...
PhilipJFry72 11 months ago
@PhilipJFry72
Whoa, what information did you point me towards? Didn't all you say was 'use Google'? Thank you so much for showing me the way. Besides, what do you think is the first result on Google, other than the wiki page that gives a definition that fits mine and not yours?
Did you read it, little racist?
Vineon 11 months ago
@Vineon
Nothing that you've shown - nor in Google or Wikipedia - supports your contention that the quebecois are a race. No matter how much you want to cry about it - I'd be ashamed if I posted something that stupid as well so I understand why you're so desperate to change the conversation - you can't change the facts to fit your posts. The more you try, the more you show just how superior I am to you. It's a shame really, that you're so stupid to think the quebecois are a race.
PhilipJFry72 11 months ago
@PhilipJFry72
Wow, thats quite case you have. How many times will I need to specify that I never said that I consider Québécois a 'race'. I said that the word 'racism' transcends the word 'race'. That it goes beyond the simple concept of 'races', which allows you to call a racist someone that discriminates based on nationality or religion.
Wikipedia mentions nationality in the first sentence of the 'racism' entry.
Vineon 11 months ago
@Vineon
And yet you have, and it's all available for anyone who'd like to scroll down through your posts... You consider the quebecois a race and once challenged on it, you started trying to change the definition of racism.
PhilipJFry72 11 months ago
@PhilipJFry72
I said a hatred of the Québécois is racism because the term 'racism' transcends 'race'.
Similarly, a hatred of muslims or Americans is racism all the same. Yet I'd define neither as being a 'race'.
Vineon 11 months ago
@PhilipJFry72
Desperate to change the conversation from what? Are you kidding, you're the one to insists on continuing this worthless 'battle' of semantics simply because you do not accept the label 'racist' being applied to you.
I ask again a question you never answered, being too much of a pussy to : is systematic hatred towards the muslims racism?
Vineon 11 months ago
@Vineon
And here we see you trying once again to change the topic by bringing muslims into the equation! What does religion have to do with race? Nothing - but if you can weasel a little more, you might just find something to save your argument. However, I refuse to participate because muslims have nothing to do with you considering the quebecois a race.
PhilipJFry72 11 months ago
Look at Vineon! It's attacking me without notifying me so it can get in the last word! Fucking lazy separatist! Of course it knows its lies are available for all to read - all anyone or anything has to do is scroll through the 800odd comments...
PhilipJFry72 1 year ago
My name is Philip and I accuse others of lying while lacking the ability to tell what they have lied about.
Dishonest I must be.
Care for a mirror for christmas so you can start practicing some introspection?
Vineon 1 year ago