Authoritarians believe in "happy slaves"

[sicktoaster]

The computerized calculation system will eventually happen, but we won't need the government to do that. That will be a natural development.

I do think local authorities should get to determine the system of property rights. Then communists can live in communist towns and capitalists in capitalist towns and everybody wins. Individual rights like the right to leave should be protected from higher authorities.

What ever system a locality chooses is justified since u chose to live/stay there.

[sicktoaster]

I've actually come around to supporting the free market system for the most part. However, I believe in a safety net.

Think about it, if you were homeless what means are available to you so you can survive day to day and at the same time enter the workforce? Without shelter the individual simply doesn't have the resources. There may be a few exceptions but the circumstances of homeless individuals are not uniform. Providing temporary welfare can sometimes help ppl get back on their feet.

[airforcemax]

At one time I would had supported authoritarians.

[MarmaladeINFP]

There is one criticism to this view of freedom which Chomsky himself has pointed out in other talks. An anarchist revolution is dangerous becaus those who would seek to take control of it. If the state was eliminated, there are those who would implement their own privatized system of force. Chomsky has argued that the state is temporarily necessary during a slow transition to anarchism.

[KelarIV]

People are happy to be slaves, most will torture and ultimately kill if orderd to by an authoritive figure, an "individual" will follow whatever figure they deem to be most powerfull.

[franzzzle]

sick comik hahaha send me it please

[colourmegone]

They don't believe in the 'happy slave', only in slavery. This is proven by the terrible fear of the masters for their chattels. In the American slave states it was a crime to teach slaves to read and write, just as it was in South Africa. If the masters really believed that their slaves were happy in their subjection then why fear them? why make it illegal for them to attempt to escape their happy lot? Surely their contentment would be far more binding than chains and punishments.

[ShvenWonk]

I believe in capitalism, but the current state of it isn't healthy. In fact, it has to be rewritten completely.

[kutthroat84]

lol

[Torakization]

We ate the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. Pandora opened her box. Pick your myth, The ancients would agree - we choose freedom.

[Nintendomanwill]

Use of Kratia is thus illicit in economic relations, it is immoral and therefore Chomsky is pretty much Satan. He would use state power to redistribute wealth thus breaking the order of contract that creates both incentive to excel and more importantly, creates calculation through cardinal pricing arising through collusion of ordinal values in exchange of production goods (banned by socialism and Kratia) that facilitates extended division of labour and human harmony. Socialism is therefore WAR

[Nintendomanwill]

Serfdom and all forms of submission to authority is Collectivism. Socialism is destruction of the productive order that has evolved through freedom and that has weaned us from tyranny to freedom through profit-motive and cognition of productivity, because it uses coercive power to limit the freedom to exchange that forms inequality in human society: yet if you accept this inequality, and I do as does Chomsky (humans cannot be equal) then you see the superior productivity and freedom ofcapitalism

[Nintendomanwill]

You cannot say; because capitalism creates hierarches it is not free. Freedom has no 'values' as such: freedom means voluntary exchange and lack of coercion, true freedom may never exist but it means property rights to form SOCIETY and income through exchange, heterogeneity and inequality in the division of labour-and attempts to destroy such hierarchy must use force and therefore reject liberty.

Economic calculation is impossible without exchange as in socialism therefore socialism=starvation.

[Nintendomanwill]

You cannot say, because capitalism creates hierarchies it is not free. Freedom has no 'values' as such: freedom means property rights and lack of coercion, true freedom may never exist, but it means freedom for SOCIETY to form itself and that does include income through exchange, hetereogeneity and inequality in the division of labour-and attempts to destroy this hierarchy must use force and therefore reject liberty.

Economic calculation is impossible in socialism therefore Chomsky=starvation.

[sicktoaster]

@Nintendomanwill

Economic calculation is impossible? How? And how is capitalism any better at it? If Capitalism is great at calculation its terrible at deciding how to use it. It calculated us into child labor, calculated us into the Great Depression, calculated a lot of things.

And "property rights and lack of coercion" is an oxymoron. Property rights require the coercion of the state to uphold.

[Nintendomanwill]

I'll answer your initial question but the rest of it is just nonsense. Economic calculation is the central problem of large societies producing in a division of labour. In order to allocate a spontaneous order of producers in their specialised sectors, command economy cannot suffice because prices cannot arise without exchange and exchange requires private ownership and exchange for net profit which by SOUND money is measured in returns by volitional purchase compared to required expenditure.

[sicktoaster]

@Nintendomanwill

But there are things capitalism cant do. What is capitalism's solution to overprescription in health care? The free market economy encourages overprescription. With single payer the state can change how doctors are paid. Right now they get paid per treatment/surgery/etc so they have an incentive 2 find problems whether they exist or not. In France doctors are paid based on improvements in their patients' health. Thats how it should be.

[Nintendomanwill]

The free market economy does not encourage overprescription. In the division of labour costs rise with depletion thanks to profit motive. FreeAtThePointOfService NHS encourages overpr, more output than one has inputed thus increasing the cost and market price of healthcare by diminishing its supply relative to utility in expenditure,in the NHS's violent abrogation of consumer choice for govt funded infrastructure in which arbitrary targets reward doctors for withholding care from needy patients

[sicktoaster]

somebody needs 2 fix the characters remaining counter.

[sicktoaster]

@Nintendomanwill

Wrong overprescription happens. Heres y. If drs prescribe > medicine & surgeries then hospital makes > money bcause part of your bill goes 2 hospital so hospital pays doctors more who do more whether patients health improves or suffers. Then companies that make drugs&equipment get >$ bcause patients buy >. there not experts so they accept anything the drs say.

[sicktoaster]

@Nintendomanwill

Improvements in health should determine pay w/prognosis factored in. A patient w/ a bad prognosis whose health gos down but not as much as expected should get dr a raise, a patient w/a good prognosis whose health stays the same should get a cut. The market wont do this even tho its the most rational way.

[sicktoaster]

@Nintendomanwill

That about NHS only proves theyre mismanaging their system. There r 1 million ways 2 do government healthcare & ONLY 1 2 do private health care. Just bcause 1 gov health care system has bad policies doesnt mean all gov health care systems r doomd 2 have bad policies.

[sicktoaster]

@Nintendomanwill

Voters in France demanded the gov pay drs based on health improvements, voters in britain didnt. Universal health care is not the end of health care reform, its the beginning. After that ppl need 2 pressure the government 2 run health care well or it wont run well.

[sicktoaster]

@Nintendomanwill

"freedom for SOCIETY to form itself"

No matter who in society has the power to do that society is forming itself because they are part of society.

Economic calculation could be done by a computer. We have the means. Just quantify every product and service, calculate its utility for the average person, include neuroscans to measure happiness from the product/service to include along with the product/service's contribution to health and environmental security(i.e. housing).

[Nintendomanwill]

This is typical Marxist nonsense. Rousseau criticised intelligent people who explained the ludicrous nature of egalitarianism because Rousseau was a haflwit whose baseless theories stand no ground in scrutiny of economic theory and what is moral and productive about statism, namely, not a fucking lot.

Capitalists believe in people working within the order of contract through profit motive, partly because that order itself is necessary to civilisation: socialists believe in 'happy slaves'!

[jeffbrak]

This only has 1,356 views whilst Jeff Dunham on Leno has 856,688?

I await the system collapse with open arms. Peak oil perhaps?

[jazzbo66zz]

We have always had the power of numbers on our side but we are not forming a matrix. People must stop working and begin the process of social revolt. We must cut of the supply of resources being furnished for police, military, surveillance and imprisonment. A national strike, say 2 or 3 weeks off work for everyone and this system would be a shambles, then disarm the police? As soon as their paychecks start bouncing they will be with us anyway. WHY DO WE WAIT ?! SEIZE THE TIME, SMASH THE STATE !

[Argonaut22j]

and I would add "statists" to that as well, since the the internet in its earlier stages was a government network

[Argonaut22j]

"capitalists" made it possible for the internet to be invented and for engineers to have the self-interested motivation of profit to make this video even possible

[thewirrow]

i saw an old lady on the floor today. i didnt help her because there was no profit in it for me and i am unable to do anything productive without this incentive

[jazzbo66zz]

labor made it possible for the internet to be invented, in fact labor is the source of all wealth."Capitalists" made the slave economy of the 19th century plantation possible, however. Greed has never been a motive for human progress unless of course you see the maintainence of the slave system as being in your self- interest which would make you a sociopath. The labor that prouced the cartoon made this video possible. I HAVE A DREAM was made possible by MLK not the microphone. TRY TO THINK...

[keptyeti]

I can't get enough Chomsky. The hoops some people jump through to shield themselves from intellectually honest analysis of facts astounds me. That's neither here nor there, though. I just want to know where I can find that cartoon.

[MiracleMile90]

@keptyeti: "The hoops some people jump through to shield themselves from intellectually honest analysis of facts astounds me."

White supremacists and anti-Semites especially seem to be quite adept at doing just that.

[jsymons1985]

@keptyeti that cartoon comes from Bertell Ollman's How 2 Take An Exam... GET IT!

[DannyOKC]

Strange that it ends at 7:23...yet says 14:34.

[buddhagem]

Dude! How were you able to post a 14 minute video? LOL. That's awesome. Do you have a special account? Great response, brother.

[mr1001nights]

Actually I don't know how the hell that happened! the video is only 7 min and a half. I do wish I had one of those accounts!

[lakeviewviking]

I think Chomsky cultists would be better off reading OUR ENEMY THE STATE, by Albert Jay Nock.

[SUpersaiyajinjerkbag]

@lakeviewviking

Well thank you for that name. Once in a while someone should be reminded of nock or sontag

[royalankh]

All you need is a directors account.

[FA8T]

@buddhagem

and sexists dude. Sexism and misogyny have been and are one of the most prevalents forms of authoritarianism and domination in human history. Child care is probably the only thing more prevalent and unnoticed.