Wing Chun The 18 Hands of Wing Chun.flv

[rayc76knoxville]

Nice video, just one question. There is only 17 hands shown here. I see that the Huen Sao is shown twice. Is there a reason? Or was this a mistake? Thanks. Again, nice vid.

[DANTHETUBEMAN]

i use to do tie chi forms to this song :)

[JSVETTEZ06]

nice video...what is the name of this track again?? i remember this from once upon a time in China .. so long ago...

[SuperWhitebull]

Nice....super song i like wing chun...

[chtheodoulou]

Can Wu Sau be employed as a block as in 1:59?

[PhamDuyTunTiTiT]

Dear all!

I post this video here, because my son (only 3years old) like to hear the song in this video, and trial-like-kidding by hand-form in this video!

This is not my reference for training WC - I learn WC (in Vietnam - following Yuen Chai Wan great sifu) very basically and not so complicated to remember like this!

[dynamitfabriken]

The songs name is ''man of determination''

[omariusify]

this is jackie chan's voice for sure, but i do not know the song's name

[5743363]

@omariusify watch?v=u-7_qHTHdVg

This song's name is 男兒當自強

have a lot of version

[jacklyw]

@omariusify you have no idea how wrong you are. By a singer from Hong Kong named George Lam. 

[MVPULTRA]

Can some on Pleeeeease tell me the name of this song, and is this the original version?

[jacklyw]

@MVPULTRA yes



[MCBosmans]

The fak sau is missing, the gaang sau is missing, but most importantly, the punch is missing.

But maybe the biggest mistake in this vid is that all these techniques are demonstrated by using photos. This gives the impression that all the techniques are static structures and positions. They are not, they are movements and the entire movement matters if you want to understand what the technique has to offer.

Like David Peterson once said: All these techniques are verbs, not nouns.

[trippinonchu]

@MCBosmans Tear it apart to make yourself look like you know something I want to Thank PhamDuy for sharing this special information with the public. Evolution happen's even with Video's

[MCBosmans]

@trippinonchu I simply felt the urge to share what I think of it. That's what commenting is for in the first place. I do happen to have some knowlegde on this and felt that I should inform the viewers. My intentions are strictly pure. I'm not trying to tear something apart, but it does look like somebody here can't handle a little criticism.

Best wishes! ;)

[wlkwlkwlkwlkwlk]

the song is 男兒當自強

[KrispyNoodle88]

song name plz

[KrispyNoodle88]

name of the song

[nicholas46461]

damn i thought they were gonna play the ip man soundtrack thats my shit

[Atiboobs]

Where is the Fak sau? ;)

[combatives]

@Atiboobs

Fak Sau is Whisking Hand. Used as a side clearing motion, also can be attack with arm, side of palm, or advanced fingertip strike, Note- WC is not about technique, but shape, energy, and transformation and adaption upon contact. Hope this helps.

Sifu Jonathan E Kiser- Kiser Wing Chun System

[Atiboobs]

Where is the Fak sau? ;)

[Atiboobs]

Where is the Fak sau? ;)

[Atiboobs]

Where is the Fak sau?

[Atiboobs]

Where is the Fak sau?

[chachaman77]

@sloppymantis, thanks that explanation makes sense.

Also, having just graded chum kui i know what you mean about pre 1950 form. Both ip mans sons apply differently (my lineage is from 2 separate sifus and they each follow ip chun and ip ching). I have questioned why guan sau is not more natural in the middle of chum kui and this always creates discussion about form vs streetfighting. I believe the admired Wong Shong Leung made adjustments in fighting and thus in his form.

[chachaman77]

im confused

jip sao - looks like a reverse pak with forward tok sau

and then there is a separate allocation for tok sau without the reverse pak sau???

[sloppymantis]

@chachaman77 I believe what they are calling jip sau is practiced as a concept in chum kiu (aka Jeet Sau). but what you are calling pak sau here I think is lop sau but in the chum kiu it is neither. In chum kiu very early on you perform Tok sau and Jut sau.. the concept is push on the elbow while Jut the wrist. In this example the eblow is down but the method works as long as you attack the elbow and it wont work if you use the wrong hand to Tok because a wise person will just bend their elbow.

[11Kralle]

1. Huen 2. tan 3. lap 4. pak 5. gum 6. lan 7. bong 8. bil 9. tok 10. kwun 1.huen 11. wu 12. fook 13. jum 14. jut 15. tie 16. jip 17. man 1. huen 2. tan 3. lap 4. pak 5. gum 6. lan 7. bong 8. bil 9. tok 10. kwun 1. huen 11. wu 12. fook 13. jum 14. jut 15. tie 16. jip 17. man

I count 17 different `hands´! Btw. where is Gan-sao (cutting-arm)? What is Jip-sao??? Tie-sao looks to me like an outer fook-sao! Bil-Sao should be Bui-tse-sao (poking-fingers)...

[DavorBa]

@11Kralle Oh rly, should Bil-Sau be poking fingers ?? No, some lineages use Bil-Sau as a block/deflect on upper gates (usually against haymakers and hook punches), but it has other applications too. So saying things like ''it should'' or ''it's wrong to do it like that, just because I was thought to do it like this'' is just ignorant and arrogant. Every lineage has it's strengths and weaknesses, some more than others, but NONE are useless and NONE are perfect.

[11Kralle]

@DavorBa

There is no blocking or using in wingchun! But there is perfection in wingchun itself, since it would not be called a system! So I state the opposite and claim again: there is one way to do it and there are countless ways to do it wrong - that simple it is.

Why should I tell lies? Just to pacify misled people? Wouldnt it be ignorant or arrogant to write just those things, which ought to appear as political-correct? I think so, indeed!

[DavorBa]

@11Kralle Ok, my bad for calling it ''block'' (I also said /deflect, but you ignored that), it's a deflection, like a tan-sau, but somewhat easier and faster to perform against those fast hook punches(it's thought to rotate hips while doing it, but unlike tan-sau, it can be done without the hip rotation, in case of an very fast attack).When I say arrogant, I mean just that, how do YOU know what's right ?Your sifu told you?There are thousand of sifus in the world, they cant be all right

[11Kralle]

@DavorBa

There is only one law of nature, one physics and one opposite of loosing. To know what is wrong is enough for a self-critical way of enhancing ones own comprehension and practising efforts!

[DavorBa]

@11Kralle I couldn't agree more. But, there is also not one way to do it right, it all depends on circumstances. Example: experienced fighter throws a very fast round punch to your face, you can't react quick enough with hip rotation tan-sau (the proper way it's thought), so instead you just do a not so school thought biu-sau(watch manup standup WC vs. kickbox to see what I mean), where you put your arm out there, away from your center-line to deflect the attack midway. You survive!

[11Kralle]

@DavorBa

I think you totally misunderstand me. My comprehension of wingchun is based on a passiv-forward-defense, not on an activ-reacting-kind of typical martial arts a la `if A happens I react with B´! The wingchun-system knows no reaction only action - I get attacked, so I go forward with chain-punches and the advancing-steps! Everything that follows is not to be thought of in conscious way, it only happens depending to the mathematics of colliding forces.

[sloppymantis]

@11Kralle I do not know the meaning of the word "tie" but it looks like in this vid they are talking about the emergency lifting arm tactic from Sil lim tau.. I never heard it called a name.. before though..

[11Kralle]

@sloppymantis

You mean the tok-sao movement from the 6th set (after the kwat-sao, which followed the jam-sao)?

[sloppymantis]

@11Kralle lol I am not sure.. I think you and I are using different spellings for words.. Lan sau, Faak sau, lan sau, jum sau, jut, biu then you Drop the hands and raise the hands.. The droping and raising (i think) is the tie sau.. its the concept of emergency defense to engage and then once contact is made THEN turn your stance.. it is also using in mantis boxing and often by me against senior practictioners I do not know "kwat" and did not learn it in sets so I am not sure about that stuff

[11Kralle]

@sloppymantis

Kwat-sao could be unknown to, because I maybe use the german-spelling of an otherwise english-written translation from kantonese. Nevertheless: I saw very much different `little idea´-form the last years and only pretty few had actually that `lower outward wiping´-movement implemented. But it ends in perfect position for the beginning tok-sao (upward-lifting arm/hand). Kwat-sao happens very seldom and I thinks it is more for wingchun against wingchun.

[sloppymantis]

@11Kralle My friend if you would maybe carry this chat over to a video i uploaded calle "a sil lim tau" we can use it as reference.. the translations are weird.. but I think the "wiping" technique you mean may be the tie jao but the downward one.. OR when you said you dont see it in alot of wing chun.. it makes me think you mean the Gaan sau (many schools pre 1950 skip the gaan sau) but if we go to that vid to make comments we can have a frame of reference for discussion.

[sloppymantis]

@11Kralle SOrry to respond twice, but Im foolish to say what I said. After I wrote I realized i did hear it called a name just never saw it written out so it didnt click. It suonds like Tear or well that doesnt sound right either. Anyway it is the up and down ward emergency action in the middle of sil lim tau after the biu/bil with both hands.

Also I am going to go ahead and decide that gan sao is the mysterious secret untold 18th hand.

[rey68100]

i like it

[haziqakif]

now i've got 18 hands

[USSxSpock]

what is the song?

[fimekodokan]

@USSxSpock

the name song is "once upon a time in china "wong fei hung story movie (jet li)

[moulanaaaa]

what is this book's name???



[IgorOgamer]

cool video