I'm Russian, and I'd like to say that, totally regardless of the actual historical circumstances, this poem just feels grand and terrible, in an awesome way. People should appreciate it for what it is before arguing history, ethics or whatever.
@ksendzsurala no sense of logic or argumentation in you comments, they are angry and full of insults, you really have some emotional or even psychological problems. Not a big surprise thou, I can't imagine how a critical thinking person can support regym like this
@ksendzsurala Why do you think I should sing in SS? I hate nazis ideology, they are killers, just like stalinists. Once again you've proven that you're only argumentation is irrational nonsences and insults.
@ponaskocelas К сожалению, дорогой литовский свинопас, в то время не было иной альтернативы - либо ты гитлерист, либо сталинист. Твоя вшивая страна выбрала гитлеризм. "Силы Добра" (твой любимый "демократический" Запад) однозначно молились за победу Великого и Славного вождя Сталина. Приравнивать сегодня Сталина к Гитлеру - это некрасиво, это ложь, подлость.
Да какое тебе до этого дело? Твоя страна дешевая марионетка, которая меняет хозяев по три-четыре раза в столетие, при этом не уставая лизать сапоги новому хозяину и дристать на сапоги прежнего хозяина. Типичное поведение холуев.
Или ты просто не понимаешь того, что я писал по русски? Понимаю, теперь у вас холуев новый хозяин и язык прежних хозяев вам не нужен. Но я не буду учить языка твоих хозяев, чтобы общаться с такой мелкой шушерой как ты и тебе подобные. Мне этого не надо. Это мой язык учат до сих пор в половине мира и владеют им до 300 миллионов человек - то есть в 2 раза больше чем собственно русских. А моего убогого английского хватит, чтобы допросить перед расстрелом врага, пиздящего на этом собачьем наречии.
I am not a "patriot". I also question "truths" about the history of my own country. It is human nature to question. It isn't helpful to accuse people who don't think like you of "enemies of the people". I have not read a couple of books about Russian history, I have read dozens, many of them by Russian authors. It is healthy to question what passes for established truth. The stalinist regime was a criminal regime, even communists say it. And the soviet experiment was an unmitigated disaster.
Why do you insult me? I guess you are right about Germans, after all, the best ruler Russia ever had was a German princess. We are not talking about Nazis, or the GPW. We were talking about Russians killing and enslaving Russians, millions of them (and other non Russian peoples who had the misfortune of being part of the USSR). Of course you won the War with great heroism and sacrifice, and I am the first to acknowledge it and feel glad you did. That was not the point, that's all.
@mpeiranouruguay Don't disturb about us. Think about tens millions Indians, killing and enslaving, who had the misfortune of being part of the Spanish and Portugal kingdoms.
You are right about that, and I condemn it too. But, what has it to do with Simonov? Don't read me wrong. I think Жди меня is a beautiful and inspiring poem. I dearly love Cinny platochek and one of my favourites among all songs (including latin ones) is Прощание Славянки . I find Russian civilization intriguing and powerful, and have been a student of her history and literature for a long time. Cheers, Miguel.
@mpeiranouruguay Miguel, I have no personal claims against you. In fact I do not know you. Simply, you write such things in relation to which you do not have the real knowledge. In fact you also would be perturbative, if somebody from the Russians began to write every nonsense about your country, reading about it the pair of books of historical enemies of your country.
By the way, I estimate your country very positively, because your country is a motherland of part of my distant relations from cossacks which transmigrated to Uruguay in the end of 19 or in beginning 20 centuries.
@ksendzsurala We have a town in Uruguay called "San Javier" whose people are mostly descentants from Russian inmigrants from the early XX century. Some come from the Dombass. They have mostly lost the Russian language but still cook Russian dishes and attend church in the Russian Orthodox faith. Cheers my friend, Miguel.
@mpeiranouruguay Go to ass together with your cretine opinion - very cultural Latinos. You have not a right to speak about our war, and judge us. If you are'nt nazist pig, who run from vengeance in your lousy shitting Uruguay.
@ksendzsurala See what I mean? you cannot respond without mindless insults. I am not a nazi hiding in Uruguay, too young for that, and an anti-fascist as well. Simonov was indeed a stalinist who had no qualms about denouncing his own colleagues during the Great Terror (resulting in their death in most cases), and indeed, an accomplice of the antisemitic purges of the early fifties (known as the "struggle against cosmopolites"). He did regret it, and said so, in the last years of his life.
@mpeiranouruguay All your knowledge about Russia is only cretine propaganda for western fools. Dont teach russian history Russian people. I have high historian education, besides that I live in Russia, I lived in USSR and my parents and grandparents also there lived and nobody for us were not blind and mindless idiots. Idiots are you, if you really belive that can talk us our history. In madhouse - cretine! Doctor wait you.
If you in reality is antifascist don't protect nazist pigs and not dare lie about country what own huge ofiars and great struggle save world from fascist plague.
Why you - good ,"civilized" can not destroy fascism? Why we - evil "barbarians" can and must do that work? Because you are'nt warriors, you are dog's shit - cowards, liars, braggarts, hyens and jackals. The Germans were better of you. They were wild beasts, but they were a real brave soldiers.
Simonov regretted his complicity with the stalinist regime at the end of his life. It is of no concern, he was a very minor figure in the context of Russian culture.
@mpeiranouruguay Simonov is a very big figure in the context of Soviet Russian culture. He was not stalinist. If for you patriot of Motherland = stalinist, drink a poison.If stalinists were patriots of Motherland, thank you very much them for that. For we alive and win, for we live today in independent coutry, grand power.
@bradbond100 If you trust that there was a possibility to win over the mad German beast with a help of a big Christian love, you can drink a poison. You, our allies purchased your victory by a price of our huge victims and blood. And now you reprobate us for our cruelty to our killers, executioners and tormentors, it is a real hypocrisy and pharisaism.
Your position is position of hyenas and jackals which organized itself a magnificent feast, due to that two real predators crippled of each other almost to death on the field the battles.
I am accordant. The all European Сhristian countries are the greatest criminals, which put to death during 2 millenniums as a result of aggressive and religious wars, genocide, infamous agreements and slave-trade, no less what a 1 milliard of habitants of planet. Atonement will be coming soon.
So kill that German so he Will lie on the ground's backbone, So the funeral wailing will be In his house, not in your own. He wanted it so It's his guilt Let his house burn up, and his life. Let his woman become a widow; Don't let it be your wife. Don't let your mother tire from tears; Let the one who bore him bear the pain. Don't let it be yours, but his Family who will wait in vain.
The english is nothing compared to the russian
Parchyne 5 months ago
I'm Russian, and I'd like to say that, totally regardless of the actual historical circumstances, this poem just feels grand and terrible, in an awesome way. People should appreciate it for what it is before arguing history, ethics or whatever.
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@ksendzsurala no sense of logic or argumentation in you comments, they are angry and full of insults, you really have some emotional or even psychological problems. Not a big surprise thou, I can't imagine how a critical thinking person can support regym like this
ponaskocelas 9 months ago
@ponaskocelas Тебя, крыса болотная, не спрашивали. Беги записывайся в свое SS, холуй и скотник германский, а то опоздаешь.
ksendzsurala 9 months ago 2
@ksendzsurala Why do you think I should sing in SS? I hate nazis ideology, they are killers, just like stalinists. Once again you've proven that you're only argumentation is irrational nonsences and insults.
ponaskocelas 9 months ago
@ponaskocelas К сожалению, дорогой литовский свинопас, в то время не было иной альтернативы - либо ты гитлерист, либо сталинист. Твоя вшивая страна выбрала гитлеризм. "Силы Добра" (твой любимый "демократический" Запад) однозначно молились за победу Великого и Славного вождя Сталина. Приравнивать сегодня Сталина к Гитлеру - это некрасиво, это ложь, подлость.
ksendzsurala 9 months ago 2
Да какое тебе до этого дело? Твоя страна дешевая марионетка, которая меняет хозяев по три-четыре раза в столетие, при этом не уставая лизать сапоги новому хозяину и дристать на сапоги прежнего хозяина. Типичное поведение холуев.
ksendzsurala 9 months ago 2
Или ты просто не понимаешь того, что я писал по русски? Понимаю, теперь у вас холуев новый хозяин и язык прежних хозяев вам не нужен. Но я не буду учить языка твоих хозяев, чтобы общаться с такой мелкой шушерой как ты и тебе подобные. Мне этого не надо. Это мой язык учат до сих пор в половине мира и владеют им до 300 миллионов человек - то есть в 2 раза больше чем собственно русских. А моего убогого английского хватит, чтобы допросить перед расстрелом врага, пиздящего на этом собачьем наречии.
ksendzsurala 9 months ago 3
I am not a "patriot". I also question "truths" about the history of my own country. It is human nature to question. It isn't helpful to accuse people who don't think like you of "enemies of the people". I have not read a couple of books about Russian history, I have read dozens, many of them by Russian authors. It is healthy to question what passes for established truth. The stalinist regime was a criminal regime, even communists say it. And the soviet experiment was an unmitigated disaster.
mpeiranouruguay 9 months ago
Why do you insult me? I guess you are right about Germans, after all, the best ruler Russia ever had was a German princess. We are not talking about Nazis, or the GPW. We were talking about Russians killing and enslaving Russians, millions of them (and other non Russian peoples who had the misfortune of being part of the USSR). Of course you won the War with great heroism and sacrifice, and I am the first to acknowledge it and feel glad you did. That was not the point, that's all.
mpeiranouruguay 10 months ago
@mpeiranouruguay Don't disturb about us. Think about tens millions Indians, killing and enslaving, who had the misfortune of being part of the Spanish and Portugal kingdoms.
ksendzsurala 10 months ago
You are right about that, and I condemn it too. But, what has it to do with Simonov? Don't read me wrong. I think Жди меня is a beautiful and inspiring poem. I dearly love Cinny platochek and one of my favourites among all songs (including latin ones) is Прощание Славянки . I find Russian civilization intriguing and powerful, and have been a student of her history and literature for a long time. Cheers, Miguel.
mpeiranouruguay 10 months ago
@mpeiranouruguay Miguel, I have no personal claims against you. In fact I do not know you. Simply, you write such things in relation to which you do not have the real knowledge. In fact you also would be perturbative, if somebody from the Russians began to write every nonsense about your country, reading about it the pair of books of historical enemies of your country.
ksendzsurala 9 months ago
By the way, I estimate your country very positively, because your country is a motherland of part of my distant relations from cossacks which transmigrated to Uruguay in the end of 19 or in beginning 20 centuries.
ksendzsurala 9 months ago
@ksendzsurala We have a town in Uruguay called "San Javier" whose people are mostly descentants from Russian inmigrants from the early XX century. Some come from the Dombass. They have mostly lost the Russian language but still cook Russian dishes and attend church in the Russian Orthodox faith. Cheers my friend, Miguel.
mpeiranouruguay 9 months ago
Russians should not be so proud of being primitive
mpeiranouruguay 10 months ago
@mpeiranouruguay Go to ass together with your cretine opinion - very cultural Latinos. You have not a right to speak about our war, and judge us. If you are'nt nazist pig, who run from vengeance in your lousy shitting Uruguay.
ksendzsurala 10 months ago
@ksendzsurala See what I mean? you cannot respond without mindless insults. I am not a nazi hiding in Uruguay, too young for that, and an anti-fascist as well. Simonov was indeed a stalinist who had no qualms about denouncing his own colleagues during the Great Terror (resulting in their death in most cases), and indeed, an accomplice of the antisemitic purges of the early fifties (known as the "struggle against cosmopolites"). He did regret it, and said so, in the last years of his life.
mpeiranouruguay 10 months ago
@mpeiranouruguay All your knowledge about Russia is only cretine propaganda for western fools. Dont teach russian history Russian people. I have high historian education, besides that I live in Russia, I lived in USSR and my parents and grandparents also there lived and nobody for us were not blind and mindless idiots. Idiots are you, if you really belive that can talk us our history. In madhouse - cretine! Doctor wait you.
ksendzsurala 10 months ago
There was not any Great Terror in USSR. This is fairy-tale from Jewish fairy-tale writers.
ksendzsurala 10 months ago
@ksendzsurala Such fairy tale as myth about Holocauste.
ksendzsurala 10 months ago
If you in reality is antifascist don't protect nazist pigs and not dare lie about country what own huge ofiars and great struggle save world from fascist plague.
ksendzsurala 10 months ago
Why you - good ,"civilized" can not destroy fascism? Why we - evil "barbarians" can and must do that work? Because you are'nt warriors, you are dog's shit - cowards, liars, braggarts, hyens and jackals. The Germans were better of you. They were wild beasts, but they were a real brave soldiers.
ksendzsurala 10 months ago
Simonov regretted his complicity with the stalinist regime at the end of his life. It is of no concern, he was a very minor figure in the context of Russian culture.
mpeiranouruguay 10 months ago
@mpeiranouruguay Simonov is a very big figure in the context of Soviet Russian culture. He was not stalinist. If for you patriot of Motherland = stalinist, drink a poison.If stalinists were patriots of Motherland, thank you very much them for that. For we alive and win, for we live today in independent coutry, grand power.
ksendzsurala 10 months ago
Notice that he is't saying: kill nazi he is saying kill german. Soviet regym was no better then nazi!
ponaskocelas 10 months ago
@ponaskocelas You nid and liar - good pupil of Goebbels no better then nazi!
ksendzsurala 10 months ago
a real russian poem is like...
Roses are Red
Violets are blue
IN MOTHER RUSSIA POEMS WRITE YOU
tugiel 1 year ago
I hated this. Makes me believe the Nazi were not the only pitiless and cruel forces in the WW2 as people use to believe.
bradbond100 1 year ago
@bradbond100 If you trust that there was a possibility to win over the mad German beast with a help of a big Christian love, you can drink a poison. You, our allies purchased your victory by a price of our huge victims and blood. And now you reprobate us for our cruelty to our killers, executioners and tormentors, it is a real hypocrisy and pharisaism.
ksendzsurala 1 year ago 13
Your position is position of hyenas and jackals which organized itself a magnificent feast, due to that two real predators crippled of each other almost to death on the field the battles.
ksendzsurala 1 year ago
Total war Russian way. I feel sorry for POWs and civilians.
Dimy761 1 year ago
I am accordant. The all European Сhristian countries are the greatest criminals, which put to death during 2 millenniums as a result of aggressive and religious wars, genocide, infamous agreements and slave-trade, no less what a 1 milliard of habitants of planet. Atonement will be coming soon.
ksendzsurala 2 years ago
ksendzsurala 2 years ago
Noble rage.
Sale77 2 years ago 16
Fragments from translating into German:
Konstantin Simonow - Töte ihn
Wenn dein Heim,
wo deine russische Mutter dich behütete,
dir lieb ist -
wenn deine Mutter dir teuer ist
und du den Gedanken nicht ertragen kannst,
daß ihr die Deutschen
in das runzelige Gesicht schlagen
ksendzsurala 2 years ago
-Wenn du nicht wünschst,
daß die Deutschen das Bild deines Vaters
mit den Orden,
die er sich Im letzten Krieg verdiente,
herabreißen und zertrampeln -
ksendzsurala 2 years ago
Wenn du nicht willst,
daß dein alter Lehrer
vor dem alten Schulhaus aufgehängt wird,
wenn du nicht willst, daß die,
die du so lange nicht zu küssen wagtest,
nackt hingestreckt liegt auf dem Baden
und daß zwischen Haß, Schreien und Tränen
die deutschen Memmen
sich das nehmen dürfen,
was deiner männlichen Liebe gehört -
ksendzsurala 2 years ago 2
Wenn du nicht auf alles verzichten willst,
was du dein Vaterland nennst -
dann töte einen Deutschen,
töte ihn immer, wann
du ihn auch siehst.
ksendzsurala 2 years ago 2
So töte den Deutschen, daß er und nicht Du am Boden liegt.
Daß in seinem Haus, nicht in Deinem, man klagend die Toten wiegt.
Es ist seine Schuld, er wollte es so.
Sein Haus, nicht Deines, soll brennen lichterloh.
So töte rasch, und wenigstens einen,
seine Frau, nicht Deine, soll als Witwe weinen.
ksendzsurala 2 years ago
[Du kenne:] Niemand tötet ihn,
wenn du ihn nicht tötest.
Dann töte einen Deutschen - töte ihn!
Töte ihn sobald du kannst!
Jedes Mal, wenn du ihn siehst,
Töte ihn, töte ihn unbedingt!
ksendzsurala 2 years ago
Complete Russian text in a version of 1942 year:
Константин Симонов - Убей его!
Если дорог тебе твой дом,
Где ты русским выкормлен был,
Под бревенчатым потолком,
Где ты, в люльке качаясь, плыл;
Если дороги в доме том
Тебе стены, печь и углы,
Дедом, прадедом и отцом
В нем исхоженные полы;
ksendzsurala 2 years ago
Если мил тебе бедный сад
С майским цветом, с жужжаньем пчел
И под липой сто лет назад
В землю вкопанный дедом стол;
Если ты не хочешь, чтоб пол
В твоем доме немец топтал,
Чтоб он сел за дедовский стол
И деревья в саду сломал...
ksendzsurala 2 years ago
Если мать тебе дорога —
Тебя выкормившая грудь,
Где давно уже нет молока,
Только можно щекой прильнуть;
Если вынести нету сил,
Чтоб немец, к ней постоем став,
По щекам морщинистым бил,
Косы на руку намотав;
ksendzsurala 2 years ago
Чтобы те же руки ее,
Что несли тебя в колыбель,
Мыли гаду его белье
И стелили ему постель...
ksendzsurala 2 years ago
[Если ты отца не забыл,
Что качал тебя на руках,
Что хорошим солдатом был
И пропал в карпатских снегах,
Что погиб за Волгу, за Дон,
За отчизны твоей судьбу;
ksendzsurala 2 years ago
Если ты не хочешь, чтоб он
Перевертывался в гробу,
Чтоб солдатский портрет в крестах
Снял фашист и на пол сорвал
И у матери на глазах
На лицо ему наступал...
ksendzsurala 2 years ago
Если жаль тебе, чтоб старик,
Старый школьный учитель твой,
Перед школой в петле поник
Гордой старческой головой,
Чтоб за все, что он воспитал
И в друзьях твоих и в тебе,
Немец руки ему сломал
И повесил бы на столбе.]
ksendzsurala 2 years ago
Если ты не хочешь отдать
Ту, с которой вдвоем ходил,
Ту, что долго поцеловать
Ты не смел,— так ее любил,—
Чтоб фашисты ее живьем
Взяли силой, зажав в углу,
И распяли ее втроем,
Обнаженную, на полу;
ksendzsurala 2 years ago
Чтоб досталось трем этим псам
В стонах, в ненависти, в крови
Все, что свято берег ты сам
Всею силой мужской любви...
ksendzsurala 2 years ago
Если ты не хочешь отдать
Немцу с черным его ружьем
Дом, где жил ты, жену и мать,
Все, что родиной мы зовем,—
Знай: никто ее не спасет,
Если ты ее не спасешь;
Знай: никто его не убьет,
Если ты его не убьешь.
ksendzsurala 2 years ago
И пока его не убил,
Ты молчи о своей любви,
Край, где рос ты, и дом, где жил,
Своей родиной не зови.
ksendzsurala 2 years ago
Если немца убил твой брат,
Пусть немца убил сосед,—
Это брат и сосед твой мстят,
А тебе оправданья нет.
За чужой спиной не сидят,
Из чужой винтовки не мстят.
Если немца убил твой брат,—
Это он, а не ты солдат.
ksendzsurala 2 years ago
Так убей же немца, чтоб он,
А не ты на земле лежал,
Не в твоем дому чтобы стон,
А в его по мертвым стоял.
ksendzsurala 2 years ago
Так хотел он, его вина,—
Пусть горит его дом, а не твой,
И пускай не твоя жена,
А его пусть будет вдовой.
Пусть исплачется не твоя,
А его родившая мать,
Не твоя, а его семья
Понапрасну пусть будет ждать.
ksendzsurala 2 years ago
Так убей же хоть одного!
Так убей же его скорей!
Сколько раз увидишь его,
Столько раз его и убей!
Июль 1942.
ksendzsurala 2 years ago