@pobinr Guess what, your countrymen were there too so can I call you all Brits, Pig ? Shut the fuck up and go back to school while you can ! By the way, I was born in Vietnam and , never mind I won't get down to your level !
@Nucci604 Imagine if someone carpet bombed NY like Hanoi.
U'd want2kill the bastards wouldn''t u?
Yanks behaved like Nazis.Carpet bombing &shooting anything that moved.
I don't blame Vietcong for wanting 2kill yanks.
Saw a Vietnamese woman on TV. She just wanted2 live her life in peace,but yanks killed most of her family. After that she joined Vietcong& just wanted2 kill yanks I don't blame her.Hate is contagious& the yanks started the hate by interfering in Nam trying 2b independent from French
@pobinr Will you please give it a rest. You are starting to be a boor with the anti-American bullshit. Use your energy to make your perfect country better. As for hate, you are as bad as anyone.
@mdupeYorkPa "As for hate, you are as bad as anyone" duh not really. I've never bumbled into someone else's country. Interfered with their wish to be free from the French then bombed them & shot them up like some fucking psycho like yo. Do what you did in civi street & you'd get the death sentence.
Instead do it in the Army & u get a fucking medal. You & your country are fucking sick fuckers. Oh & it's 'Bore' bye the way you fucktard hillbilly lol
@pobinr No stupid. Not all Americans are blood thirsty killers and not all of our soldiers are. They're just efficient at doing what they're trained to do. And DUH REALLY. You hate America and that is painfully obvious from the manure that you post all over the place. No in the context in which it was used it's boor. You are apparently not as bright as I thought you were. You can't respond to anything without ranting and that BORES me. Spellcheck if you want.
How are ALL of you Liberal Communist MAGGOTS doing tonight? Any new murderous communist dictators that you low life's are praising? Most of you little Sissies were wetting your beds are craping in your diapers durning the Vietnam war, OH but how you Liberal Scum think that you know so much about this war. You little dirtbags. Any of you 'Girls' been in Combat, of course not, any of you big mouths been even in the Armed Forces? Of course not. OH but how you like to Judge American Soldiers.
Just another ubiqituous sequence of events, nothing is new under the eye of osiris, what happened in the 1960's is simply a reflection of human nature. It has been repeated an inordinate amount of times throughout history, what else did you expect? Welcome to the animal kingdom, afterall, nature does utilize decaying flesh very efficiently, just ask a farmer.
Well,you know who were the main responsible for this, right? Lyndon Johnson and Robert McNamara. This was their war. McNamara even diverted A LOT of funds from the US mainland defense to finance this war. This allowed the soviets to take the lead in the Cold War's arms race. This war was a moronic thing on so many levels. It should've never been started. But what's even more interesting is that it could've actually been won if they had had the balls to do what was necessary to win it.
@StiviGun1 "do what was necessary?" After spreading Agent Orange on farm crops, creating a famine, contaminating the environment for decades, massacring civilians indiscriminately, and propping up a tin-pot puppet dictator...what more do you think was "necessary?" Kill the entire population of Vietnam and raise the US flag over the rubble and carnage?
@DDTea None of the things you listed helped America in any way to win that war. So no, not that. That war could've bee won in far less time and with much fewer victims. It's just that McNamara and Lyndon Johnson didn't have the balls to do what was needed to win it. It's hard to explain, it takes too long and you're too idiotic for me to waste my time. But the best thing would've been, of course, to have not started that war. It would've been better from 1000 of perspectives.
@Nucci604 That war could've been won. None of the important objectives in N Vietnam were touched during the first 5 years of war. Johnson and McNamara didn't have the balls to do it because they were sissies born with no balls. That war could've been won, even if only by making the North subjecting to America's terms. Something similar to Korea could've been achieved and it still would've been better.
@StiviGun1 If you don't know History well, go back to school and do more research on your own. Maybe you should focus on european threater instead of Southeast Asia since its not on your field of interest because I can see you are from Romania.
@Nucci604 "Maybe you should focus on european threater instead of Southeast Asia since its not on your field of interest because I can see you are from Romania." This coming from a guy who's country goes into every country all over the world preaching "democracy"... Hilarious...
@StiviGun1 War need never have been fought in the 1st place if Truman hadn't ignored Min's offer of friendship in 1945. Instead Truman sided with the French so they could re install brutal colonial rule. Min only turned to China after he was ignored. Heck how is it the USA was entitled to be independent from the Brits, but the Vietnamese were not entitled to be independent from the French?
Q] Why is it that Americans are so ignorant of history?
@StiviGun1 Pal, Lyndon Johnson and Robert McNamara ? Maybe if Harry S. Truman did not lick the frenchies behind then we would not in that deep of a shit hole that we were in. This is a quote from Truman himself on june 23, 1941 ( If see that Germany is winning we ought to help Russia and if Russia is winning we ought to help Germany, and that way let them kill as many as possible, although I don't want to see Hitler victorious under any circumstances. Ho Chi Minh was our Allies and a Nationalist
@Nucci604 I didn't get how Harry Truman licked the "frenchies behind" and how was Hoc Chi Min your ally. Not from what you wrote here anyway. My statement, however, was related to the Vietnam war and why was it lost (and started). Lyndon Johnson and that pussy, McNamara were responsible for both. Ironically, the liberals, still hated Nixon and Reagan more.
@StiviGun1 Let me get this straight, Ho Chi Minh not Hoc Chi Min, your ally ? where did you get that from ? I look at the whole picture of the War not at where do I want to start to make my point of view about the whole war !
@StiviGun1 Again, do some more research. Ho Chi Minh was recruited by the OSS ( Officer Strategic Services ) predecessor of CIA during WW2 to pick up US pilots after they bombed the Japanese and dropped theirs planes in South China. He admired the US and hope after the Japanese surrendered, he asked President Harry Truman to help his country newly independent from Japan and France to form a Democratic Govt and be an Ally to the US. Truman turned him down and sided with the French instead.
@Nucci604 Well, Harry Truman made many mistakes. One was to not allow general MacArthur continue his assault on the Chinese troops, which would've been devastating.
@StiviGun1 By the way do more deep research into this war from all sources available, you will see what I was trying to say to you, goodluck ! My Dad 's body was never been recovered from Vietnam since 1972, if I can not find him, atleast I am out to find the truth of how he died !
@Nucci604 I have done a lot of research on this war, in specially on the military decisions taken by your sissy political leaders which is precisely why I say this war could've been won. Not wanting to attack the soviet SAM sites and assassinate the soviet military advisers (who were basically teaching Viet Cong those guerilla tactics) was one of the biggest mistakes made during that war. Placing so many restrictions on where the US soldiers could fight and how was so dumb, I really
@Nucci604 can't help not thinking they did it on purpose. Like I said, I really suspect many of the political leaders during that time of working for the soviets. McNamara is the first on my list.
@StiviGun1 You are getting there but not deep enough, The US betrayed him thats why it cost us 58,000 troops for the benefit of the France. The Viets never hated us but always asked themselves why we decided to involve in this senseless war.
@Nucci604 Well, do you have any idea why Truman did what he did? It was indeed a stupid mistake not helping the Vietnamese install a democratic government in there. If he had made the right choice, then America wouldn't have had to worry about that country at all. It would've been your ally. How did Ho Chi Minh become a communist anyway? How did he get from wanting a capitalist regime to ruling over a communist country?
During TET 1968, HoChiMinh pushed a million high school boys going to South to run over Saigon Government, Ho's soldiers killed more than 100,000 civilians, specially at Hue Vietcong buried a live of more five thousand innocent civilians. Ho was cruel more than Hitler.
"Grandsons are condemned to life-long terms as slave laborers alongside their grandfathers, both equally helpless in the brutal surroundings. Prisoners are arbitrarily murdered by security guards. Women suffer from forced abortions at the hands of unlicensed doctors. Newborn babies are beaten to death. And sons and daughters are publicly executed in front of their mothers. The forced starvation of millions of North Koreans by the Communist Gov.
@ChristainSoldier1 Yes, we know what North Korea is like but this blog is about Vietnam so do not cloud the issue with spurious comparisons to justify your bile.
Been to Vietnam. Marvellous for a visit. Incompetent government, yes but brutal- NO! The Vietnamese just want to get on with their lives the majority being too young to be aware of what went on in the war and just do not want to know.
The Huế Massacre is the name given to the summary executions and mass killings perpetrated by the Viet Cong and North Vietnam during their capture, occupation and later withdrawal from the city of Huế during the Tet Offensive, considered one of the longest and bloodiest battles of the Vietnam War.Dozens of mass graves were discovered in and around Huế containing 2,800 to 6,000 civilians and prisoners of war. Victims were found bound, tortured, and sometimes apparently buried alive.
Are you still remember during Tet 1968, North Vietnam troops attacked South Vietnam. Specially, Ho ordered to kill over 5 thousand civilians in Hue! Ho pushed one hundred thousand young soldiers to be KIA in the south. Only Khe Sanh battle, Ho's troops was killed seven thousand soldiers. Even Ho won the Vietnam War by US withdrawn, but now can Vietnam defeat if China invading? I hope Vietnam Communist Party win again!
@thoyedao It's funny how during that war, China was the N Vietnam's best friend and now you consider them your enemy and arm yourselves for a possible confrontation with them. How things change...
This video's somewhat emotive headline seems to have provoked much irrational comment. It was not a massacre in the accepted sense but a battle between the NVA and US 2nd Battalion 28th Infantry October 17 1967 when both sides suffered heavy losses before the NVA withdrew to fight elsewhere. It was this and similar early battles that made America realise what they were truly up against.
HoChiMinh (child name NguyenSinhCung) was the loyal slave fro Communist. Uncle Ho was more cruel than Hitler in World War 2, because only Ho could order to kill more than 5 thousand Hue citizens during TET 1968. Ho was bastard! Fuck Vietnam Communist party.
There is a lot of angry posting here... and I don't know what being gay or liberal or whatever has to do with any of it. It is the kind of stuff you say when you get frustrated. I will say this: I know men who fought on both sides (all alive today). If they can discuss the events of this war as friends today, then we might want to take a lesson from that. They fought as hard for what they believed in as many of ours. A real soldier can and will respect that. Armchair warriors should be silent.
Id like to add something that backs up your point. My Grandfather was in WW2, Korea and Vietnam (Royal navy Fleet Air Arm-Vietnam he was attached to the USMC for a tour). For years he HATED 'gooks' and 'Huns' then, 30 or so years later he started going on veteran tours, and met men who had been on 'the other side'.
Ever since then he understood the futility of warfare and would never be told 'this is your enemy' by a politician again.
What battle was this? Does anyone know? Far from what some allege, the Viet Cong and NVA were a formidable and courageous force as were the US troops opposing them. There were no real winners in the Vietnam conflict.
@54321Rambler Viet Cong and the NVA were murderous Communist Scum. When Saigon fell in 1975 there was a blood bath perpetrated by the North Vietnamese Communists.
@ChristainSoldier1 The way you and others denigrate the Viet Cong and NVA " murderous, cowardly, communist scum" serves only to rubbish the great sacrifice of the brave young US troops thrown against them. Of course, there were atrocities in this war - on both sides. But it was not communism that caused the Vietnamese to fight the Chinese, Japanese, French and Americans, but freedom for their people and country from colonialists and invaders. Something America has always preached to the world.
@54321Rambler The Communists In North Vietnam and the Viet Cong fought for Freedom???. Truly you are an ignorant moron. Have you studied the true history of Communism or are you just brainwashed by liberal socialist communist teachers and professors??? No doubt that you are. There is NO true freedom under communist rule. Joseph Stalin murdered millions, Mao Zedong millions, Pol Pot 2 million Cambodians slaughtered and countless number tortured, North Korea, millions starved & tortured.
@ChristainSoldier1 Once you start insulting others, you lose the argument hence why some of your posts are being removed. Do you not know anything at all about the history of what was IndoChina? How the Vietnamese fought off successive invaders of their country even before becoming communist? And no there was no bloodbath after their victory in 1975. The worst that happened was for the boat people (mainly Chinese) encouraged to leave. By the way it's Christian just in case you aspire to be one.
@maxcleancarpets Yeah, liberal politics lost that war. But you know what's very ironic? That the same liberals started that war. And after that, they didn't do any of the things needed to win it. My opinion is this was was started by the Democrats to ruin the US military. I think this was their plan. There's no other explanation for their constant butchering of the military when they were in office and denigrating it publicly when they were not.
This is sad. The command (arrogant idiot) who sent them in to this deathtrap-what happened to him? Does anybody know? Probably got promoted? This is so sad.
@0004holly Nice to see some rational comments from a true Vet amongst all this vile vitriol. When were you there? Would be interesting to hear what you have to say about some of what went on over there.
Regarding this particular video. It wasn't anything to do with the battle at Ia Drang, do you think?
@Arrrbol The FACT is you Stupid little worthless MAGGOT, America won EVERY battle in Vietnam. It was because of gutless COWARDLY liberal Hippie Scum that we pulled out. Are you a LIBERAL Queer bastard??? No doubt that you are.
@ChristainSoldier1 Your fucking stupid country should not have been in Vietnam in the first place. And you DID NOT WIN EVERY BATTLE. How about the Battle of Lang Vei, Battle of Kham Duc, Battle of Ong Thanh, battles in the Tet Offensive, and if you want to count the Fall of Saigon as well. You did not win the fucking war because you had no good reason to be there. Do your research you arrogant twat.
@MrHogSucker Will you fuck off all of these videos with your stupid arrogant comments.. You are not a vietnam veteran you dipshit it says on your channel that you were born the year the war ended so fuck off
@Arrrbol Where do you live you worthless little MAGGOT? Are you ashamed to disclose what country that you live in? I am an American you Stupid POS and that FACT is that America went to Vietnam to fight the Communist Scum in the North and the Viet Cong bastards. You are a typical ignorant foreigner who has his head up his ARSE.
@ChristainSoldier1 I live in the UK if you really want to know. I am not a stupid twat and communists are not scum. The right wing politics of capitalism are what have made the world such an in-equal and corrupt place. Wars are fought not being fought for any good reason anymore. The Iraq war and the conflict in Libya were not to get rid of dictators but to allow the US and NATO to gain access to the massive oil reserves of those countries. I hope that everyone will stop the evil of capitalism.
@Arrrbol You live in the UK and you are a bloody TWIT and a Stupid Wanker. The FACT is that more humans have been killed by Communist Scum. Mass killings occurred under Communist regimes during the twentieth century with an estimated death toll numbering between 85 and 100 million.The highest death tolls that have been documented in communist states occurred in the Soviet Union under Joseph Stalin, in the People's Republic of China under Mao Zedong, and in Cambodia under the Khmer Rouge.
@ChristainSoldier1 IT IS NOT COMMUNISM THAT HAS KILLED PEOPLE IT IS THE TOTALITARIAN RULERS THAT DID!!! Why will no-one understand? Karl Marx has never said that people should be killed for no good reason. It is people like Stalin, Mao and Pol Pot who have killed millions. Look at Cuba or even Vietnam or even the Soviet Union under the power of Gorbachev or any other non-Stalin president. Communism or Socialism has never killed anyone; totalitarian dictators have.
@Arrrbol Actually, you're right. You know what's interesting? If Trotsky had become the leader of the Soviet Union and not Stalin after Lenin died, none of the horrors committed by the communist regimes would've happened. One leader changed everything. And you're right, communism didn't kill anyone, people did it. Just like it always happens.
Regarding Gorbachev, you're right, he was a different kind of leader than his predecessors, but this cost him his country.
@StiviGun1 Finally someone who understands. Stalin should not have ever gone into power. Lenin himself told the party that they should not let Stalin rule the country as he was very unstable. I also believe that Trotsky was the first in line for the president but ruined his chance by telling the party he could not take on that role.
@Arrrbol Hmm... You know what was actually wrong about communism? That it started in the wrong country. Its started in a country where the mediocre majority had the last thing to say and they were the ones that helped Stalin get into power and do what he did. BTW, Stalin was not "unstable". He was a psychopathic individual. From clinical perspective. He was a psychopath. Regarding Trotsky, I don't know how he ruined his chance, but he just couldn't get that mediocre and sub-mediocre
@Arrrbol majority to support him. Stalin did it by coming out with simplistic and demagogic speeches. Just like Hitler. This is why he executed every single intellectual in his country and in all the countries he occupied. Too bad, Just one psychopath changed the course of history and did so much harm to so many millions of people. And he also ruined any chance for the socialist system to be implemented in its intended form. This is why peoples have to be educated and not kept dumb and
@StiviGun1 If this is true, what my country, England needs is a leader like Trotsky. The majority of people in this country are very intelligent and well educated (except chavs who live off benefits).
Also Stalin suffered from paranoia which explains why he killed the intellectual people as he saw them as a threat.
@Arrrbol Generally, what any country needs is leaders that care about their country and their people and that put their country and people above anything else. I don't know if Trotsky is the model of such a leader. What people have to understand is that what makes a country prosper is ITS PEOPLE, not a certain type of regime.
@ChristainSoldier1 Actually, you're very wrong here. America went started that war because of very stupid, corrupt and incompetent politicians. Who also caused the war to be lost in a horrific manner. If it was the communists you wanted to fight, then you should've stayed home and focus on the Soviet Union. They were the ones spreading the communism and they were America's declared enemy, not Vietnam. That was the dumbest thing you've done during the Cold War.
@Arrrbol Yes, they had no reason to be there, that war shouldn't have been started. But the reason they lost it was because for the large part of the war, America was run by incompetent, coward, military-hating leaders. The main responsible for that disaster were Lyndon Johnson and McNamara. They didn't want to let the generals and the military do their job in there. They always took only the worst and most incompetent decisions regarding that war.
@ChristainSoldier1 We The People lost the moment the decision was made to invade VN. The arms manufacturers, dealers, and bankers won BIG, as they always do.
@ThunderBobtoU It depends. Only SOME arms manufacturers and dealers won big, others lost big. In specially those that had contracts to build weapons for the US homelands defense as funds for those purposes were diverted to fund the Vietnam war. A LOT of funds. McNamara was the main responsible for this. And this basically allowed the soviets get ahead in the strategic arms race. Vietnam war was stupid and useless. America should've focused on the USSR, not on Vietnam.
@baron8107 Killing millions of innocent people from countries that were not the US enemy was better? You must be joking... No, the Soviet Union was the declared enemy of the US who's leaders were threatening to destroy the US on a regular bases. That was the enemy the US should've focused on. And if you think that would've triggered a war, that shows me once again that the soviets defeated you psychologically. I personally don't think they would've had the balls to start a nuclear war
Oh shit, I forgot about Mutual Assured Destruction, didn't I?
Fuck me, I almost never forget that. Whatever, the records are sealed, we can't go back in time and change it, no use bitching about something that happened 50-plus years ago. Talking about it, fine, but using it to point fingers and criticize, no.
@baron8107 You have to talk and criticize mistakes of the past, otherwise you're prone to repeat them.
Regarding MAD, who the fuck do you think would've started a nuclear war, ha? You think the Russians wanted to see their cities in flames? What you're saying here boy, and you actually put like it was a good thing, is that you didn't have the balls to stand up to the soviets, so you picked on others, much smaller ad weaker than you. That's why so many people hate you, BTW.
I'm going to, (on a psychological basis) say you're probably an ignorant sonservative, (or just a plain troll) and you have your facts (or you might call them "lies") wrong. The truth is young Americans were sent overseas, to fight a war that could have been solved politically and rationally, believe me? Don't belive me? It doesn't matter facts are facts. Thats not to say I wouldn't fight, and even die for my country, I would just like to die for a reason.
@ChristainSoldier1 Won every battle? BS! Sorry but end of the day america was forced out. they could gain no foothold, they underestimated th VC, they harassed and abused a great deal of vietnamese citizens plus america could of killed 50 VC for every marine killed and they would still have lost due to the huge size of the VC. But simply, they went into vietnam to get rid and supress the communists and forgive me if im wrong but the communists now control all vietnam. FAILED!!
@ChristainSoldier1 look at the vid. A fucked up battle and america lies to cover their asses. And you are taking in all that bullsh*t and believing it.
@woolaston15 Educate yourself and stop making dumb ass comments. America suffered many KIA and wounded in Vietnam, but we hurt those Commie bastards good. The FACT is that the war was lost on the home front by left wing Hippie Scum. Are you one of them???
October 17, 1067 the Big Red One lost a major battle. Study the truth and learn they lied to you. We were lied to from the start and Westmoreland was an incompetent fool. You are such an ignorant idiot learn this truth. This is truth!!
Truth is you never fought and are just the maggot in life! This story is the truth you cowardly Right wing conservative! Bet no one you know ever went to Afghanistan like the cowards Bush and Cheney refused to in Nam! I lost a lot of friends there and the scum on the right you really suck!
Liberal or not, they had/have TWO MILLION corpses on their backs because they wanted a placebo known as peace, just the occupy movement, they've spoiled another generation, for the entire fuckin' world! NICE GOIN', JERK-OFFS!!!
Algerian troops who were captured at DIEN BIEN PHU were told by the Viet. you really are tough brave troops. But why are you fighting for your oppressors . You should be fighting the colonial french to free your own country instead of coming over here to kill and die for them. BEN BELLA an ALGERIAN SERGEANT in the french army heeded the advise and after a long brutal war . With other leaders led ALGERIA to INDEPENDENCE ! lessons to be learned !maybe
US Troops were demoralized and killing "fragging" any newly arrived gung ho officers .Educated Americans, more knowledgeable , Not prone to propaganda did put pressure on the corrupt political class ie Tricky Dicky etc. But since then a new generation of naive young men have come along . The HAWKS only need a couple of million misinformed youths and they have another ARMY of GOOK killers or should I say RAGHEAD killers . Patriotism as they say . Is the last refuge of the scoundrel !
Some of you are putting down soldiers that were over there fighting, The reason you are writing and responding to the internet is account of the US Armed Forces. If you were never in War then I would say shut your pie holes. Americans won every battle when they were in Vietnam. The politics lost the Vietnam War not the soldier
@chaokingkok The US does not murder random people for no reason. the vietnameese killed more of their own people then we did. the vietnameese would tie grenades to little kids with strings on the pins so that when the Americans would give them food and candy they reached up and the string pulled the pinson the grenades. they also put bombs in baby carrages knowing that the soldiers had a soft spot for children. Learn the facts before you start saying shit.
@satdownzebra How come! They did not have Napalm.B52S,orange agent. USA were the foreign invaders from 1000s miles away. It was the invaders who dropped more bombs on that little country than the 2nd w.w. Have you not heard of LT CALLEY who massacred up to 500 old men women +children (one of many massacres) Have you heard of US.vets throwing medals on white house steps in disgust when they wised up. people outside the US.are stunned how gullible many yanks are.y You are typical !
The Chinese Government admitted in the 90's that they sent many many thousands of Chinese troops down the Ho Chi Min Trail to kill Americans..If they were not holding so much American debt in their hands they would be considered enemies by an act of war against the USA
@JeddorianJalapeno USA who armed the fanatics who slaughtered a government and educated people who were trying to take Afghanistan from the dark ages. Look at your friends who helped you! Pakistan,Saudi head choppers etc You created a monster who came back to haunt you.9/11 etc . 1OS OF THOUSANDS of poor AMERICANS paid the price +still are. USA political/military elite made billions . When will they Ever learn ? They wont. while media is owned by their cronies .
@JeddorianJalapeno IF CHINESE INVADED MEXICO IE WOULD YOU THINK THEIR WOULD BE AMERICAN VOLUNTEERS heading over the border Try and think in a logical way friend ,
Very sad stories, but the old Viet Cong man is right - the Americans had nothing to do in Vietnam. If somebody comes to my home and wants to kill me and my family, I'll do the impossible to cut his neck= 90 % of the Vietnamese victims were civilians.
Very sad stories, but the old Viet Cong man is right -the Americans had nothing to do in Vietnam. If somebody comes to my house and wants to kill me and my family, I'll do the impossible to cut his neck. 90 % of the Vietnamese victims are civilians.
@laxuanlong You must be proud.French,Japanese,Brits.Australians,S,Koreans etc.All seen off ! Sadly for ALL the Victims of the war It could have been different .1956 the U.N Geneva accord advised a NATIONAL GENERAL ELECTION .When Eisenhower and Senior experts,stated that HO CHI MINH would win 80% of vote.Corrupt Diem backed by USA blocked the election, Going against US advisers on the ground .WHO spoke highly of the communist leadership .Politicians took over .History now
. I listened to an American dipomat on our CBC radio immediuiately after Sept 11th say he knew for a fact the the visas of at least three of the terrorists flying planes on that day were supplied by the CIA . Binn Laden was in an American Military Hospital three days before 9-11 for dialysis treatments and sp[ent time with the CIA there on that day . His inital reacation to the news of the WTC event was that he had nothing to do with it .
I still feel tears behind the eyes every time I se stuff like this and to see something similar happen all over again in Afghanistan to a degree and with my own country in action there , several hundred Canadians dead now having fought supposedly to help an oppressed people be safer and freer. Meanwhile the Americans went into Iraq to stop an oppressor from using force on it's own people . such as the use of gas , supplied by America , on it's own population.
This war still upsets me..the way that the powers of CIA and subterfuge used the blind patriotism of brave young men to abuse their trust and faith in their home country . It was admitted on the floor of the congress that 15oo MIA's and POW's were relocated around the world with name and identity protection after years of incarceration for their participation in illegal acts of war in support of druglords in Cambodia .Read "Kiss The Boys Goodbye" banned in the USA by ex producers of 60 min's
@JeddorianJalapeno Holy smokes, I thought my friend and I were the only people that had read that book....What a fucking travesty that war was.
But unfortunately, this same crap happens in many wars. Look at the cocaine that was brought in during the Iran contra debacle. Let's also remember the Opium Wars of the 1800's with China. Oh, and Afghanistan today....almost forgot.
Jeez, are we learning disabled? Or, is a profit being made by our ruling MAFIA???
lets get something strait, the usa did NOT lose the war, the UAS said enough and told the south it was there turn, USA left in 1975, the south fell in 1979 so how did the USA lose somthing they war not there for,,,, now lets do the Numbers USA dead 58,220 dead, 1,687 miss 303,635 wounded Total= 313,542 ,, VN,,1,176,462,000 dead, 600, miss/wounded
@misfitt58 hey i not hateing on your comment or trying to diss you don't take it the wrong way ok from my point of view the u.s lost mabe not in number but in strategy and planning to me if i'm at war with someone an there openly crossing my boreder i would brng the fight to them or atleat defened the south an allow the south army to openly attack the north instead of takein the all of the responsibility. you can loose a large number of troops an still win like russians in ww2
@misfitt58 Desite slaughter of million of Vietnamese soldiers/civilians.USA failed to impose a" client" regime , In order to exploit that countries wealth . THE domino theory , just a smoke screen ! How did you think USA got so rich? If they REALLY believe in Democracy , WHY are they keeping THE brutal Saudi family in power .Get wise ! US uses cruise missiles to assassinate. AL QAEDA used planes in the same way. Political.military,+economic targets.CIA taught him everything !
@Medvetz63 I laugh when America-haters like u keep talking about U.S collapsing, I guess our 16 $tillions$ debt is getting ya excited its going to happen soon, sorry to burst your bubble but it wont happen, that is not in your lifetime. U.S can have a 32 trillion$ debt and we still be a superpower. China can buy our debt but if we dont buy their products or we pull our companies out then their fucked, so who owns who? Now go to bed and keep having wet dreams that america going to collapse soon
@reddog2007max I THINK THE AMERICAN BUBBLE BURST A LONG TIME AGO ! "CAPITALISM WILL DEVOUR ITSELF" ! KARL MARX . WHO WOULD BELIEVE A YEAR OR TWO AGO .THE HOME OF RAMPANT CAPITALISM, WOULD HAVE TO RESORT TO SOCIALIST MEASURES LIKE IE THE STATE BAILING OUT PRIVATELY OWNED BANKS AND THE ECONOMY PROPPED UP WITH MONEY FROM A SOON TO BE WORLD NUMBER ONE " COMMUNIST " POWER. ALL EMPIRES EVENTUALLY RUN OUT OF STEAM YOUR CENTURY IS NEAR THE END .Keeping yours guns handy?
@zipdedooda I know body counts dont mean shit if you dont win the war. The french lost the war not ass kicked. The Vietminh had a powerful ally China helping them, without China help HCM and his top generals would had been captured in 1947 but they were able to flee into china and rebuild their army. Btw I dont support the french, its one of those wars where no side was good, the vietminh like the vietcong used terror tactics on civilians to join their side
The French did not control the ground in Vietnam. They did not achieve their political and military objectives. They lost several decisive battles, Dien Bien Phu being the most hisorical significant and final nail in the coffin, although the French actually suffered even worse defeats after this battle, such as at Mang Yang. By all measures, France got their ass handed to them in the first Indochina war.
@dmcgoo2 The french didn't get the shit kick out of them. 75,000 french killed, 400,000 vietminh killed. They were defeated 1954 at Bein Phu, but they still had 150,000 troops in Lao, Cambodia and S.Vietnam. The french tired of war for 8 years were in negotiations with HCM to talks about french leaving indochina before the seige at bien phu. The battle at bien phu was really a unnecessary battle, but it made it look like the french got their ass kicked, which is not true
The French lacked the logistical, intelligence and force projection capabilities and actually were being backed by us. Yes they did get their ass kicked and they knew they wouldn't be able to sustain this conflict. The war was escalating (Which is what brought us into it- Soviet/Chinese involvement) and they didn't the means in mass, intell, logistics, certain weapons capabilities, force projection (bombers/carriers) etc to wage this war.
@zipdedooda It was a guerrilla war ! USA had everything you mentioned and still were forced to retreat after hundreds of thousands of casualties. including 75 thousand deaths ,
Body-counts are meaningless metrics in this case. But if it makes you feel good, sure- The French military and polictical objectives were met because they killed XYZ number of Vietcong, allegedly. Feel good nonsense intended to redefine victory and defeat.
@reddog2007max, Hey dipshit, if you don't make a people knuckle under and submit to your will, YOU GOT YOUR ASS KICKED, even if the enemy lost more people!
Body counts mean shit, they only serve as false propaganda to make a dim-witted, Pavlov's Dog like populace (like YOU) think they're winning so they'll offer up more of their kids as cannon fodder.
But please, keep believing the same old lies, ok? America needs to die & it will as long as a-holes like you are the majority.
@reddog2007max French forces under GEN NAVARRE included elite troops. PARA +LEGIONARIES ETC. Set up base at Dien Bien Phu to disrupt Vietnamese liberation forces and try to engage in a decisive battle.He wanted use of old Jap airfield.GEN GIAP outwitted him bringing artillery over the mountains .Besieged for 54 days,French surrendered to VIET MINH.GEN CASTRIES captured.COL.PIROTH com.suicide.French announced withdrawal from INDO CHINA next day. 12000 CAP. 8000 DEAD/WOUNDED FREN
The USA were the insurgents in Nam. They deserved to be booted out. Arrogant pigs.
pobinr 2 days ago
@pobinr Guess what, your countrymen were there too so can I call you all Brits, Pig ? Shut the fuck up and go back to school while you can ! By the way, I was born in Vietnam and , never mind I won't get down to your level !
Nucci604 2 days ago
@Nucci604 Imagine if someone carpet bombed NY like Hanoi.
U'd want2kill the bastards wouldn''t u?
Yanks behaved like Nazis.Carpet bombing &shooting anything that moved.
I don't blame Vietcong for wanting 2kill yanks.
Saw a Vietnamese woman on TV. She just wanted2 live her life in peace,but yanks killed most of her family. After that she joined Vietcong& just wanted2 kill yanks I don't blame her.Hate is contagious& the yanks started the hate by interfering in Nam trying 2b independent from French
pobinr 1 day ago
@pobinr Will you please give it a rest. You are starting to be a boor with the anti-American bullshit. Use your energy to make your perfect country better. As for hate, you are as bad as anyone.
mdupeYorkPa 1 day ago
@mdupeYorkPa "As for hate, you are as bad as anyone" duh not really. I've never bumbled into someone else's country. Interfered with their wish to be free from the French then bombed them & shot them up like some fucking psycho like yo. Do what you did in civi street & you'd get the death sentence.
Instead do it in the Army & u get a fucking medal. You & your country are fucking sick fuckers. Oh & it's 'Bore' bye the way you fucktard hillbilly lol
pobinr 1 day ago
@pobinr No stupid. Not all Americans are blood thirsty killers and not all of our soldiers are. They're just efficient at doing what they're trained to do. And DUH REALLY. You hate America and that is painfully obvious from the manure that you post all over the place. No in the context in which it was used it's boor. You are apparently not as bright as I thought you were. You can't respond to anything without ranting and that BORES me. Spellcheck if you want.
mdupeYorkPa 1 day ago
Long live Vietnam. Down to hell USA!
MrKriistian 2 days ago
mwahahahahha rage fucking americunts !!! nobody could beat vietnam and nobody will morons !!! LONG LIVE VIETNAM !!!!
unit731gamer 4 days ago
vietnamese dead more than 3million
US dead around 40000 lost 20000 massacre what?
core5s 5 days ago
How are ALL of you Liberal Communist MAGGOTS doing tonight? Any new murderous communist dictators that you low life's are praising? Most of you little Sissies were wetting your beds are craping in your diapers durning the Vietnam war, OH but how you Liberal Scum think that you know so much about this war. You little dirtbags. Any of you 'Girls' been in Combat, of course not, any of you big mouths been even in the Armed Forces? Of course not. OH but how you like to Judge American Soldiers.
ChristainSoldier1 6 days ago
Viet Cong # 1 !!!!!
niteowlification 6 days ago
50000 US Soldiers are falling for a hand full of shit in Vietnam! Es lebe der Vietcong!
MegaLeica 1 week ago
im pretty sure the vietcong were massacred by the US army...
guayx2 1 week ago
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Just another ubiqituous sequence of events, nothing is new under the eye of osiris, what happened in the 1960's is simply a reflection of human nature. It has been repeated an inordinate amount of times throughout history, what else did you expect? Welcome to the animal kingdom, afterall, nature does utilize decaying flesh very efficiently, just ask a farmer.
vladmir11111 1 week ago
Well,you know who were the main responsible for this, right? Lyndon Johnson and Robert McNamara. This was their war. McNamara even diverted A LOT of funds from the US mainland defense to finance this war. This allowed the soviets to take the lead in the Cold War's arms race. This war was a moronic thing on so many levels. It should've never been started. But what's even more interesting is that it could've actually been won if they had had the balls to do what was necessary to win it.
StiviGun1 1 week ago 2
@StiviGun1 "do what was necessary?" After spreading Agent Orange on farm crops, creating a famine, contaminating the environment for decades, massacring civilians indiscriminately, and propping up a tin-pot puppet dictator...what more do you think was "necessary?" Kill the entire population of Vietnam and raise the US flag over the rubble and carnage?
DDTea 5 days ago
@DDTea None of the things you listed helped America in any way to win that war. So no, not that. That war could've bee won in far less time and with much fewer victims. It's just that McNamara and Lyndon Johnson didn't have the balls to do what was needed to win it. It's hard to explain, it takes too long and you're too idiotic for me to waste my time. But the best thing would've been, of course, to have not started that war. It would've been better from 1000 of perspectives.
StiviGun1 4 days ago
@StiviGun1 Considered you been schooled for free without being there to learned it the hard way !
Nucci604 1 day ago
@Nucci604 That war could've been won. None of the important objectives in N Vietnam were touched during the first 5 years of war. Johnson and McNamara didn't have the balls to do it because they were sissies born with no balls. That war could've been won, even if only by making the North subjecting to America's terms. Something similar to Korea could've been achieved and it still would've been better.
StiviGun1 1 day ago
@StiviGun1 I might have to agreed with you on the second part.
Nucci604 1 day ago
@Nucci604 The first part wasn't that unplausible either.
StiviGun1 1 day ago
@StiviGun1 If you don't know History well, go back to school and do more research on your own. Maybe you should focus on european threater instead of Southeast Asia since its not on your field of interest because I can see you are from Romania.
Nucci604 1 day ago
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@Nucci604 "Maybe you should focus on european threater instead of Southeast Asia since its not on your field of interest because I can see you are from Romania." This coming from a guy who's country goes into every country all over the world preaching "democracy"... Hilarious...
StiviGun1 22 hours ago
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pobinr 1 day ago
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@StiviGun1 War need never have been fought in the 1st place if Truman hadn't ignored Min's offer of friendship in 1945. Instead Truman sided with the French so they could re install brutal colonial rule. Min only turned to China after he was ignored. Heck how is it the USA was entitled to be independent from the Brits, but the Vietnamese were not entitled to be independent from the French?
Q] Why is it that Americans are so ignorant of history?
A] So they can be controlled by their government
pobinr 1 day ago
@StiviGun1 Pal, Lyndon Johnson and Robert McNamara ? Maybe if Harry S. Truman did not lick the frenchies behind then we would not in that deep of a shit hole that we were in. This is a quote from Truman himself on june 23, 1941 ( If see that Germany is winning we ought to help Russia and if Russia is winning we ought to help Germany, and that way let them kill as many as possible, although I don't want to see Hitler victorious under any circumstances. Ho Chi Minh was our Allies and a Nationalist
Nucci604 1 day ago
@Nucci604 I didn't get how Harry Truman licked the "frenchies behind" and how was Hoc Chi Min your ally. Not from what you wrote here anyway. My statement, however, was related to the Vietnam war and why was it lost (and started). Lyndon Johnson and that pussy, McNamara were responsible for both. Ironically, the liberals, still hated Nixon and Reagan more.
StiviGun1 1 day ago
@StiviGun1 Let me get this straight, Ho Chi Minh not Hoc Chi Min, your ally ? where did you get that from ? I look at the whole picture of the War not at where do I want to start to make my point of view about the whole war !
Nucci604 1 day ago
@Nucci604 You said Ho Chi Minh (whatever) was your ally, not me.
StiviGun1 1 day ago
@StiviGun1 Again, do some more research. Ho Chi Minh was recruited by the OSS ( Officer Strategic Services ) predecessor of CIA during WW2 to pick up US pilots after they bombed the Japanese and dropped theirs planes in South China. He admired the US and hope after the Japanese surrendered, he asked President Harry Truman to help his country newly independent from Japan and France to form a Democratic Govt and be an Ally to the US. Truman turned him down and sided with the French instead.
Nucci604 1 day ago
@Nucci604 Well, Harry Truman made many mistakes. One was to not allow general MacArthur continue his assault on the Chinese troops, which would've been devastating.
StiviGun1 22 hours ago
@StiviGun1 By the way do more deep research into this war from all sources available, you will see what I was trying to say to you, goodluck ! My Dad 's body was never been recovered from Vietnam since 1972, if I can not find him, atleast I am out to find the truth of how he died !
Nucci604 1 day ago
@Nucci604 I have done a lot of research on this war, in specially on the military decisions taken by your sissy political leaders which is precisely why I say this war could've been won. Not wanting to attack the soviet SAM sites and assassinate the soviet military advisers (who were basically teaching Viet Cong those guerilla tactics) was one of the biggest mistakes made during that war. Placing so many restrictions on where the US soldiers could fight and how was so dumb, I really
StiviGun1 1 day ago
@Nucci604 can't help not thinking they did it on purpose. Like I said, I really suspect many of the political leaders during that time of working for the soviets. McNamara is the first on my list.
StiviGun1 1 day ago
@StiviGun1 You are getting there but not deep enough, The US betrayed him thats why it cost us 58,000 troops for the benefit of the France. The Viets never hated us but always asked themselves why we decided to involve in this senseless war.
Nucci604 1 day ago
@Nucci604 Well, do you have any idea why Truman did what he did? It was indeed a stupid mistake not helping the Vietnamese install a democratic government in there. If he had made the right choice, then America wouldn't have had to worry about that country at all. It would've been your ally. How did Ho Chi Minh become a communist anyway? How did he get from wanting a capitalist regime to ruling over a communist country?
StiviGun1 22 hours ago
@StiviGun1 Because it was in the French sphere of influence.
charliecharlie58 10 hours ago
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During TET 1968, HoChiMinh pushed a million high school boys going to South to run over Saigon Government, Ho's soldiers killed more than 100,000 civilians, specially at Hue Vietcong buried a live of more five thousand innocent civilians. Ho was cruel more than Hitler.
thoyedao 1 week ago
@ChristainSoldier You tell that to the soldiers who been there BITCH.
motormonkeyNL 1 week ago
Inside the Gulags of Communist North Korea.
"Grandsons are condemned to life-long terms as slave laborers alongside their grandfathers, both equally helpless in the brutal surroundings. Prisoners are arbitrarily murdered by security guards. Women suffer from forced abortions at the hands of unlicensed doctors. Newborn babies are beaten to death. And sons and daughters are publicly executed in front of their mothers. The forced starvation of millions of North Koreans by the Communist Gov.
ChristainSoldier1 1 week ago
@ChristainSoldier1 Yes, we know what North Korea is like but this blog is about Vietnam so do not cloud the issue with spurious comparisons to justify your bile.
Been to Vietnam. Marvellous for a visit. Incompetent government, yes but brutal- NO! The Vietnamese just want to get on with their lives the majority being too young to be aware of what went on in the war and just do not want to know.
54321Rambler 1 week ago
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The Huế Massacre is the name given to the summary executions and mass killings perpetrated by the Viet Cong and North Vietnam during their capture, occupation and later withdrawal from the city of Huế during the Tet Offensive, considered one of the longest and bloodiest battles of the Vietnam War.Dozens of mass graves were discovered in and around Huế containing 2,800 to 6,000 civilians and prisoners of war. Victims were found bound, tortured, and sometimes apparently buried alive.
ChristainSoldier1 1 week ago
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Are you still remember during Tet 1968, North Vietnam troops attacked South Vietnam. Specially, Ho ordered to kill over 5 thousand civilians in Hue! Ho pushed one hundred thousand young soldiers to be KIA in the south. Only Khe Sanh battle, Ho's troops was killed seven thousand soldiers. Even Ho won the Vietnam War by US withdrawn, but now can Vietnam defeat if China invading? I hope Vietnam Communist Party win again!
thoyedao 1 week ago
@thoyedao It's funny how during that war, China was the N Vietnam's best friend and now you consider them your enemy and arm yourselves for a possible confrontation with them. How things change...
StiviGun1 1 week ago
This video's somewhat emotive headline seems to have provoked much irrational comment. It was not a massacre in the accepted sense but a battle between the NVA and US 2nd Battalion 28th Infantry October 17 1967 when both sides suffered heavy losses before the NVA withdrew to fight elsewhere. It was this and similar early battles that made America realise what they were truly up against.
54321Rambler 2 weeks ago
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ChristainSoldier1 2 weeks ago
more than 100,000 vietnam vets have killed themselves
BigBishop1 2 weeks ago
kool
crystallite291 2 weeks ago
Another cover-up conspiracy.
onefodderunit 2 weeks ago
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HoChiMinh (child name NguyenSinhCung) was the loyal slave fro Communist. Uncle Ho was more cruel than Hitler in World War 2, because only Ho could order to kill more than 5 thousand Hue citizens during TET 1968. Ho was bastard! Fuck Vietnam Communist party.
thoyedao 2 weeks ago
There is a lot of angry posting here... and I don't know what being gay or liberal or whatever has to do with any of it. It is the kind of stuff you say when you get frustrated. I will say this: I know men who fought on both sides (all alive today). If they can discuss the events of this war as friends today, then we might want to take a lesson from that. They fought as hard for what they believed in as many of ours. A real soldier can and will respect that. Armchair warriors should be silent.
gemcitykid 2 weeks ago 11
@gemcitykid youre defending a right to free speech but condem it in the same breath. let the haters hate.
digitalblasphemy1100 1 week ago
@gemcitykid You are bang on correct.
Id like to add something that backs up your point. My Grandfather was in WW2, Korea and Vietnam (Royal navy Fleet Air Arm-Vietnam he was attached to the USMC for a tour). For years he HATED 'gooks' and 'Huns' then, 30 or so years later he started going on veteran tours, and met men who had been on 'the other side'.
Ever since then he understood the futility of warfare and would never be told 'this is your enemy' by a politician again.
gnark1ll1us 1 week ago
@gemcitykid yeah you are right and i am one of them vietcong
akosigaru 2 days ago
@gemcitykid i am farmer growing marijuana for the g.i
akosigaru 2 days ago
Just kill them LMAO
MrHogSucker 2 weeks ago
Kill the Gooks please lmao! Exterminate them all!
MrHogSucker 2 weeks ago
Kill the Gooks!
MrHogSucker 2 weeks ago
I love this man. You gay fucks please stand off.
MrHogSucker 2 weeks ago
I killed many of them
MrHogSucker 2 weeks ago
I love all my friends from Iraq
MrHogSucker 2 weeks ago
Stomp ass on Charley!
MrHogSucker 2 weeks ago
@MrHogSucker The Gooks suck!
MrHogSucker 2 weeks ago
What battle was this? Does anyone know? Far from what some allege, the Viet Cong and NVA were a formidable and courageous force as were the US troops opposing them. There were no real winners in the Vietnam conflict.
54321Rambler 2 weeks ago
You pussys non vet fuckers! Go fuck offf!!
MrHogSucker 2 weeks ago
@54321Rambler Viet Cong and the NVA were murderous Communist Scum. When Saigon fell in 1975 there was a blood bath perpetrated by the North Vietnamese Communists.
ChristainSoldier1 2 weeks ago
@ChristainSoldier1 The way you and others denigrate the Viet Cong and NVA " murderous, cowardly, communist scum" serves only to rubbish the great sacrifice of the brave young US troops thrown against them. Of course, there were atrocities in this war - on both sides. But it was not communism that caused the Vietnamese to fight the Chinese, Japanese, French and Americans, but freedom for their people and country from colonialists and invaders. Something America has always preached to the world.
54321Rambler 2 weeks ago
@54321Rambler The Communists In North Vietnam and the Viet Cong fought for Freedom???. Truly you are an ignorant moron. Have you studied the true history of Communism or are you just brainwashed by liberal socialist communist teachers and professors??? No doubt that you are. There is NO true freedom under communist rule. Joseph Stalin murdered millions, Mao Zedong millions, Pol Pot 2 million Cambodians slaughtered and countless number tortured, North Korea, millions starved & tortured.
ChristainSoldier1 1 week ago
@ChristainSoldier1 Once you start insulting others, you lose the argument hence why some of your posts are being removed. Do you not know anything at all about the history of what was IndoChina? How the Vietnamese fought off successive invaders of their country even before becoming communist? And no there was no bloodbath after their victory in 1975. The worst that happened was for the boat people (mainly Chinese) encouraged to leave. By the way it's Christian just in case you aspire to be one.
54321Rambler 1 week ago
Fuck NVA.
10AceOfSpades01 2 weeks ago
Liberal politics back home lost the war! Not the Armed forces!
maxcleancarpets 2 weeks ago
@maxcleancarpets
haha nice one, sounds like hitler to me.
you wanted to fuck but then you had to suck dick.
and what is sad about killing some racist babykillers?
ottomath 2 weeks ago
@maxcleancarpets Yeah, liberal politics lost that war. But you know what's very ironic? That the same liberals started that war. And after that, they didn't do any of the things needed to win it. My opinion is this was was started by the Democrats to ruin the US military. I think this was their plan. There's no other explanation for their constant butchering of the military when they were in office and denigrating it publicly when they were not.
StiviGun1 1 week ago
This is sad. The command (arrogant idiot) who sent them in to this deathtrap-what happened to him? Does anybody know? Probably got promoted? This is so sad.
Whudt 3 weeks ago
LOL
Mr12stringbass 3 weeks ago
I fought two tours in Viet Nam, Special Ops., U.S.M.C, never heard about this incident.. Sad actually..
Sgt. Bill Lafrance (Combined Action Program).
0004holly 3 weeks ago
@0004holly Nice to see some rational comments from a true Vet amongst all this vile vitriol. When were you there? Would be interesting to hear what you have to say about some of what went on over there.
Regarding this particular video. It wasn't anything to do with the battle at Ia Drang, do you think?
54321Rambler 2 weeks ago
us army never lost a battle in vietnam, vietcong always surrendered like cowards
usa466 3 weeks ago
@usa466 Are you retarded? THE US LOST THE WHOLE WAR YOU DIPSHIT ARROGANT FUCK
Arrrbol 3 weeks ago
@Arrrbol The FACT is you Stupid little worthless MAGGOT, America won EVERY battle in Vietnam. It was because of gutless COWARDLY liberal Hippie Scum that we pulled out. Are you a LIBERAL Queer bastard??? No doubt that you are.
ChristainSoldier1 2 weeks ago 8
@ChristainSoldier1 Your fucking stupid country should not have been in Vietnam in the first place. And you DID NOT WIN EVERY BATTLE. How about the Battle of Lang Vei, Battle of Kham Duc, Battle of Ong Thanh, battles in the Tet Offensive, and if you want to count the Fall of Saigon as well. You did not win the fucking war because you had no good reason to be there. Do your research you arrogant twat.
Arrrbol 2 weeks ago
@Arrrbol FU
MrHogSucker 2 weeks ago
@Arrrbol FU
MrHogSucker 2 weeks ago
@MrHogSucker Will you fuck off all of these videos with your stupid arrogant comments.. You are not a vietnam veteran you dipshit it says on your channel that you were born the year the war ended so fuck off
Arrrbol 2 weeks ago
@Arrrbol Where do you live you worthless little MAGGOT? Are you ashamed to disclose what country that you live in? I am an American you Stupid POS and that FACT is that America went to Vietnam to fight the Communist Scum in the North and the Viet Cong bastards. You are a typical ignorant foreigner who has his head up his ARSE.
ChristainSoldier1 2 weeks ago
@ChristainSoldier1 I live in the UK if you really want to know. I am not a stupid twat and communists are not scum. The right wing politics of capitalism are what have made the world such an in-equal and corrupt place. Wars are fought not being fought for any good reason anymore. The Iraq war and the conflict in Libya were not to get rid of dictators but to allow the US and NATO to gain access to the massive oil reserves of those countries. I hope that everyone will stop the evil of capitalism.
Arrrbol 2 weeks ago
@Arrrbol You live in the UK and you are a bloody TWIT and a Stupid Wanker. The FACT is that more humans have been killed by Communist Scum. Mass killings occurred under Communist regimes during the twentieth century with an estimated death toll numbering between 85 and 100 million.The highest death tolls that have been documented in communist states occurred in the Soviet Union under Joseph Stalin, in the People's Republic of China under Mao Zedong, and in Cambodia under the Khmer Rouge.
ChristainSoldier1 1 week ago
@ChristainSoldier1 IT IS NOT COMMUNISM THAT HAS KILLED PEOPLE IT IS THE TOTALITARIAN RULERS THAT DID!!! Why will no-one understand? Karl Marx has never said that people should be killed for no good reason. It is people like Stalin, Mao and Pol Pot who have killed millions. Look at Cuba or even Vietnam or even the Soviet Union under the power of Gorbachev or any other non-Stalin president. Communism or Socialism has never killed anyone; totalitarian dictators have.
Arrrbol 1 week ago
@Arrrbol Actually, you're right. You know what's interesting? If Trotsky had become the leader of the Soviet Union and not Stalin after Lenin died, none of the horrors committed by the communist regimes would've happened. One leader changed everything. And you're right, communism didn't kill anyone, people did it. Just like it always happens.
Regarding Gorbachev, you're right, he was a different kind of leader than his predecessors, but this cost him his country.
StiviGun1 1 week ago
@StiviGun1 Finally someone who understands. Stalin should not have ever gone into power. Lenin himself told the party that they should not let Stalin rule the country as he was very unstable. I also believe that Trotsky was the first in line for the president but ruined his chance by telling the party he could not take on that role.
Arrrbol 1 week ago
@Arrrbol Hmm... You know what was actually wrong about communism? That it started in the wrong country. Its started in a country where the mediocre majority had the last thing to say and they were the ones that helped Stalin get into power and do what he did. BTW, Stalin was not "unstable". He was a psychopathic individual. From clinical perspective. He was a psychopath. Regarding Trotsky, I don't know how he ruined his chance, but he just couldn't get that mediocre and sub-mediocre
StiviGun1 1 week ago
@Arrrbol majority to support him. Stalin did it by coming out with simplistic and demagogic speeches. Just like Hitler. This is why he executed every single intellectual in his country and in all the countries he occupied. Too bad, Just one psychopath changed the course of history and did so much harm to so many millions of people. And he also ruined any chance for the socialist system to be implemented in its intended form. This is why peoples have to be educated and not kept dumb and
StiviGun1 1 week ago
@Arrrbol blind, like sheep.
StiviGun1 1 week ago
@StiviGun1 If this is true, what my country, England needs is a leader like Trotsky. The majority of people in this country are very intelligent and well educated (except chavs who live off benefits).
Also Stalin suffered from paranoia which explains why he killed the intellectual people as he saw them as a threat.
Arrrbol 1 week ago
@Arrrbol Generally, what any country needs is leaders that care about their country and their people and that put their country and people above anything else. I don't know if Trotsky is the model of such a leader. What people have to understand is that what makes a country prosper is ITS PEOPLE, not a certain type of regime.
Stalin was a paranoiac and a also a psychopath.
StiviGun1 1 week ago
@StiviGun1
Paranoid Schizophrenic is the term you're looking for.
baron8107 1 week ago
@baron8107 No, he was not schizophrenic. He was a psychopath. He presented all the features of a psychopathic individual.
StiviGun1 6 days ago
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@StiviGun1
Paranoid Schizophrenic is the term you're looking for.
baron8107 1 week ago
@ChristainSoldier1 Actually, you're very wrong here. America went started that war because of very stupid, corrupt and incompetent politicians. Who also caused the war to be lost in a horrific manner. If it was the communists you wanted to fight, then you should've stayed home and focus on the Soviet Union. They were the ones spreading the communism and they were America's declared enemy, not Vietnam. That was the dumbest thing you've done during the Cold War.
StiviGun1 1 week ago
@Arrrbol Yes, they had no reason to be there, that war shouldn't have been started. But the reason they lost it was because for the large part of the war, America was run by incompetent, coward, military-hating leaders. The main responsible for that disaster were Lyndon Johnson and McNamara. They didn't want to let the generals and the military do their job in there. They always took only the worst and most incompetent decisions regarding that war.
StiviGun1 1 week ago
@ChristainSoldier1 I love my fellow Vets
MrHogSucker 2 weeks ago
@ChristainSoldier1 We The People lost the moment the decision was made to invade VN. The arms manufacturers, dealers, and bankers won BIG, as they always do.
ThunderBobtoU 2 weeks ago
@ThunderBobtoU It depends. Only SOME arms manufacturers and dealers won big, others lost big. In specially those that had contracts to build weapons for the US homelands defense as funds for those purposes were diverted to fund the Vietnam war. A LOT of funds. McNamara was the main responsible for this. And this basically allowed the soviets get ahead in the strategic arms race. Vietnam war was stupid and useless. America should've focused on the USSR, not on Vietnam.
StiviGun1 1 week ago
@StiviGun1
Okay, they would've started a nuclear war if they'd focused entirely on the Soviets.
Killing off their proxies however, was a better idea.
baron8107 1 week ago
@baron8107 Killing millions of innocent people from countries that were not the US enemy was better? You must be joking... No, the Soviet Union was the declared enemy of the US who's leaders were threatening to destroy the US on a regular bases. That was the enemy the US should've focused on. And if you think that would've triggered a war, that shows me once again that the soviets defeated you psychologically. I personally don't think they would've had the balls to start a nuclear war
StiviGun1 6 days ago
@StiviGun1
Oh shit, I forgot about Mutual Assured Destruction, didn't I?
Fuck me, I almost never forget that. Whatever, the records are sealed, we can't go back in time and change it, no use bitching about something that happened 50-plus years ago. Talking about it, fine, but using it to point fingers and criticize, no.
baron8107 6 days ago
@baron8107 You have to talk and criticize mistakes of the past, otherwise you're prone to repeat them.
Regarding MAD, who the fuck do you think would've started a nuclear war, ha? You think the Russians wanted to see their cities in flames? What you're saying here boy, and you actually put like it was a good thing, is that you didn't have the balls to stand up to the soviets, so you picked on others, much smaller ad weaker than you. That's why so many people hate you, BTW.
StiviGun1 6 days ago
@StiviGun1
Why are you refferring to the U.S. as me, I hate people who affiliate me with an assemblage of idiots.
baron8107 6 days ago
@baron8107 You are an American and your ideas seem to be on par with that "assemblage of idiots". Like the ones that started the Vietnam war.
StiviGun1 6 days ago
@ChristainSoldier1
I'm going to, (on a psychological basis) say you're probably an ignorant sonservative, (or just a plain troll) and you have your facts (or you might call them "lies") wrong. The truth is young Americans were sent overseas, to fight a war that could have been solved politically and rationally, believe me? Don't belive me? It doesn't matter facts are facts. Thats not to say I wouldn't fight, and even die for my country, I would just like to die for a reason.
Alanfrelik1996 2 weeks ago
@ChristainSoldier1 Won every battle? BS! Sorry but end of the day america was forced out. they could gain no foothold, they underestimated th VC, they harassed and abused a great deal of vietnamese citizens plus america could of killed 50 VC for every marine killed and they would still have lost due to the huge size of the VC. But simply, they went into vietnam to get rid and supress the communists and forgive me if im wrong but the communists now control all vietnam. FAILED!!
woolaston15 1 week ago
@woolaston15 and the Vietnamese have been fleeing Vietnam ever since.....
panzer903 1 week ago
@ChristainSoldier1 look at the vid. A fucked up battle and america lies to cover their asses. And you are taking in all that bullsh*t and believing it.
woolaston15 1 week ago
@woolaston15 Educate yourself and stop making dumb ass comments. America suffered many KIA and wounded in Vietnam, but we hurt those Commie bastards good. The FACT is that the war was lost on the home front by left wing Hippie Scum. Are you one of them???
ChristainSoldier1 1 week ago
@ChristainSoldier1 Christian... nice name
digitalblasphemy1100 1 week ago
@ChristainSoldier1
October 17, 1067 the Big Red One lost a major battle. Study the truth and learn they lied to you. We were lied to from the start and Westmoreland was an incompetent fool. You are such an ignorant idiot learn this truth. This is truth!!
Knoxgoldvault 1 week ago
@ChristainSoldier1
Truth is you never fought and are just the maggot in life! This story is the truth you cowardly Right wing conservative! Bet no one you know ever went to Afghanistan like the cowards Bush and Cheney refused to in Nam! I lost a lot of friends there and the scum on the right you really suck!
Knoxgoldvault 1 week ago
@ChristainSoldier1
1o/17/1967 Learn the truth fool! Respect my friends by telling the truth and go and fought not staying home like the cowardly rightist you are!
Knoxgoldvault 1 week ago
@ChristainSoldier1
Dude, switch to decaf.
Cthulu54 1 week ago
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Knoxgoldvault 1 week ago
@ChristainSoldier1
Liberal or not, they had/have TWO MILLION corpses on their backs because they wanted a placebo known as peace, just the occupy movement, they've spoiled another generation, for the entire fuckin' world! NICE GOIN', JERK-OFFS!!!
baron8107 1 week ago
@ChristainSoldier1
*just like
baron8107 1 week ago
Algerian troops who were captured at DIEN BIEN PHU were told by the Viet. you really are tough brave troops. But why are you fighting for your oppressors . You should be fighting the colonial french to free your own country instead of coming over here to kill and die for them. BEN BELLA an ALGERIAN SERGEANT in the french army heeded the advise and after a long brutal war . With other leaders led ALGERIA to INDEPENDENCE ! lessons to be learned !maybe
TheMOONBEAM40 3 weeks ago
US Troops were demoralized and killing "fragging" any newly arrived gung ho officers .Educated Americans, more knowledgeable , Not prone to propaganda did put pressure on the corrupt political class ie Tricky Dicky etc. But since then a new generation of naive young men have come along . The HAWKS only need a couple of million misinformed youths and they have another ARMY of GOOK killers or should I say RAGHEAD killers . Patriotism as they say . Is the last refuge of the scoundrel !
TheMOONBEAM40 3 weeks ago
Some of you are putting down soldiers that were over there fighting, The reason you are writing and responding to the internet is account of the US Armed Forces. If you were never in War then I would say shut your pie holes. Americans won every battle when they were in Vietnam. The politics lost the Vietnam War not the soldier
themagnet61 3 weeks ago
US soldiers raped and massacred vietnamese villagers...women and children...Revenged!!
chaokingkok 3 weeks ago
@chaokingkok The US does not murder random people for no reason. the vietnameese killed more of their own people then we did. the vietnameese would tie grenades to little kids with strings on the pins so that when the Americans would give them food and candy they reached up and the string pulled the pinson the grenades. they also put bombs in baby carrages knowing that the soldiers had a soft spot for children. Learn the facts before you start saying shit.
satdownzebra 3 weeks ago
@satdownzebra How come! They did not have Napalm.B52S,orange agent. USA were the foreign invaders from 1000s miles away. It was the invaders who dropped more bombs on that little country than the 2nd w.w. Have you not heard of LT CALLEY who massacred up to 500 old men women +children (one of many massacres) Have you heard of US.vets throwing medals on white house steps in disgust when they wised up. people outside the US.are stunned how gullible many yanks are.y You are typical !
TheMOONBEAM40 3 weeks ago
The Chinese Government admitted in the 90's that they sent many many thousands of Chinese troops down the Ho Chi Min Trail to kill Americans..If they were not holding so much American debt in their hands they would be considered enemies by an act of war against the USA
JeddorianJalapeno 3 weeks ago
@JeddorianJalapeno USA who armed the fanatics who slaughtered a government and educated people who were trying to take Afghanistan from the dark ages. Look at your friends who helped you! Pakistan,Saudi head choppers etc You created a monster who came back to haunt you.9/11 etc . 1OS OF THOUSANDS of poor AMERICANS paid the price +still are. USA political/military elite made billions . When will they Ever learn ? They wont. while media is owned by their cronies .
TheMOONBEAM40 3 weeks ago
@JeddorianJalapeno IF CHINESE INVADED MEXICO IE WOULD YOU THINK THEIR WOULD BE AMERICAN VOLUNTEERS heading over the border Try and think in a logical way friend ,
TheMOONBEAM40 3 weeks ago
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Very sad stories, but the old Viet Cong man is right - the Americans had nothing to do in Vietnam. If somebody comes to my home and wants to kill me and my family, I'll do the impossible to cut his neck= 90 % of the Vietnamese victims were civilians.
vassilzdravkov 3 weeks ago
Very sad stories, but the old Viet Cong man is right -the Americans had nothing to do in Vietnam. If somebody comes to my house and wants to kill me and my family, I'll do the impossible to cut his neck. 90 % of the Vietnamese victims are civilians.
vassilzdravkov 3 weeks ago
Why did they send troops through a thick forest like that
lazercannoncheck 3 weeks ago
You need to say thank you to US secret war in Laos.
Yvonmoua 4 weeks ago
battle of Ong Thanh. I am Vietnamese, my father was Vietcong.
laxuanlong 1 month ago
@laxuanlong
go shoot yourself
MotivatedMP31B 1 month ago
@MotivatedMP31B give me a gun, my AK is out hahaha
laxuanlong 4 weeks ago
@laxuanlong You don't need a gun sonny, but you do need some balls, and I suspect a dick as well ya fuckwit!
Flamstop 4 weeks ago
@laxuanlong You must be proud.French,Japanese,Brits.Australians,S,Koreans etc.All seen off ! Sadly for ALL the Victims of the war It could have been different .1956 the U.N Geneva accord advised a NATIONAL GENERAL ELECTION .When Eisenhower and Senior experts,stated that HO CHI MINH would win 80% of vote.Corrupt Diem backed by USA blocked the election, Going against US advisers on the ground .WHO spoke highly of the communist leadership .Politicians took over .History now
TheMOONBEAM40 3 weeks ago
. I listened to an American dipomat on our CBC radio immediuiately after Sept 11th say he knew for a fact the the visas of at least three of the terrorists flying planes on that day were supplied by the CIA . Binn Laden was in an American Military Hospital three days before 9-11 for dialysis treatments and sp[ent time with the CIA there on that day . His inital reacation to the news of the WTC event was that he had nothing to do with it .
JeddorianJalapeno 1 month ago
I still feel tears behind the eyes every time I se stuff like this and to see something similar happen all over again in Afghanistan to a degree and with my own country in action there , several hundred Canadians dead now having fought supposedly to help an oppressed people be safer and freer. Meanwhile the Americans went into Iraq to stop an oppressor from using force on it's own people . such as the use of gas , supplied by America , on it's own population.
JeddorianJalapeno 1 month ago
@JeddorianJalapeno Are you also aware of the fact that many "Americans" fled to Canada to avoid being drafted into the Vietnam War? That's a fact.
DSkeptic86 4 weeks ago
The last minute and a half, US Government doing what they do best.
kookaburrakookaburra 1 month ago
This war still upsets me..the way that the powers of CIA and subterfuge used the blind patriotism of brave young men to abuse their trust and faith in their home country . It was admitted on the floor of the congress that 15oo MIA's and POW's were relocated around the world with name and identity protection after years of incarceration for their participation in illegal acts of war in support of druglords in Cambodia .Read "Kiss The Boys Goodbye" banned in the USA by ex producers of 60 min's
JeddorianJalapeno 1 month ago
@JeddorianJalapeno Holy smokes, I thought my friend and I were the only people that had read that book....What a fucking travesty that war was.
But unfortunately, this same crap happens in many wars. Look at the cocaine that was brought in during the Iran contra debacle. Let's also remember the Opium Wars of the 1800's with China. Oh, and Afghanistan today....almost forgot.
Jeez, are we learning disabled? Or, is a profit being made by our ruling MAFIA???
xlsyor 1 month ago
lets get something strait, the usa did NOT lose the war, the UAS said enough and told the south it was there turn, USA left in 1975, the south fell in 1979 so how did the USA lose somthing they war not there for,,,, now lets do the Numbers USA dead 58,220 dead, 1,687 miss 303,635 wounded Total= 313,542 ,, VN,,1,176,462,000 dead, 600, miss/wounded
= 1,177,062,000,,, hum...who lost what
misfitt58 1 month ago
@misfitt58 hey i not hateing on your comment or trying to diss you don't take it the wrong way ok from my point of view the u.s lost mabe not in number but in strategy and planning to me if i'm at war with someone an there openly crossing my boreder i would brng the fight to them or atleat defened the south an allow the south army to openly attack the north instead of takein the all of the responsibility. you can loose a large number of troops an still win like russians in ww2
angeloroker88 1 month ago
@misfitt58 Desite slaughter of million of Vietnamese soldiers/civilians.USA failed to impose a" client" regime , In order to exploit that countries wealth . THE domino theory , just a smoke screen ! How did you think USA got so rich? If they REALLY believe in Democracy , WHY are they keeping THE brutal Saudi family in power .Get wise ! US uses cruise missiles to assassinate. AL QAEDA used planes in the same way. Political.military,+economic targets.CIA taught him everything !
TheMOONBEAM40 3 weeks ago
@Medvetz63 I laugh when America-haters like u keep talking about U.S collapsing, I guess our 16 $tillions$ debt is getting ya excited its going to happen soon, sorry to burst your bubble but it wont happen, that is not in your lifetime. U.S can have a 32 trillion$ debt and we still be a superpower. China can buy our debt but if we dont buy their products or we pull our companies out then their fucked, so who owns who? Now go to bed and keep having wet dreams that america going to collapse soon
reddog2007max 1 month ago
@reddog2007max keep drinking the coolade expendable taxable asset the world economy is toast.
ps you ought to lay off the crackpipe reddoggystyle US less flouride head.
dfb26634 1 month ago
@reddog2007max I THINK THE AMERICAN BUBBLE BURST A LONG TIME AGO ! "CAPITALISM WILL DEVOUR ITSELF" ! KARL MARX . WHO WOULD BELIEVE A YEAR OR TWO AGO .THE HOME OF RAMPANT CAPITALISM, WOULD HAVE TO RESORT TO SOCIALIST MEASURES LIKE IE THE STATE BAILING OUT PRIVATELY OWNED BANKS AND THE ECONOMY PROPPED UP WITH MONEY FROM A SOON TO BE WORLD NUMBER ONE " COMMUNIST " POWER. ALL EMPIRES EVENTUALLY RUN OUT OF STEAM YOUR CENTURY IS NEAR THE END .Keeping yours guns handy?
TheMOONBEAM40 3 weeks ago
@zipdedooda I know body counts dont mean shit if you dont win the war. The french lost the war not ass kicked. The Vietminh had a powerful ally China helping them, without China help HCM and his top generals would had been captured in 1947 but they were able to flee into china and rebuild their army. Btw I dont support the french, its one of those wars where no side was good, the vietminh like the vietcong used terror tactics on civilians to join their side
reddog2007max 1 month ago
@reddog2007max
The French did not control the ground in Vietnam. They did not achieve their political and military objectives. They lost several decisive battles, Dien Bien Phu being the most hisorical significant and final nail in the coffin, although the French actually suffered even worse defeats after this battle, such as at Mang Yang. By all measures, France got their ass handed to them in the first Indochina war.
zipdedooda 3 weeks ago
@dmcgoo2 The french didn't get the shit kick out of them. 75,000 french killed, 400,000 vietminh killed. They were defeated 1954 at Bein Phu, but they still had 150,000 troops in Lao, Cambodia and S.Vietnam. The french tired of war for 8 years were in negotiations with HCM to talks about french leaving indochina before the seige at bien phu. The battle at bien phu was really a unnecessary battle, but it made it look like the french got their ass kicked, which is not true
reddog2007max 1 month ago
@reddog2007max
The French lacked the logistical, intelligence and force projection capabilities and actually were being backed by us. Yes they did get their ass kicked and they knew they wouldn't be able to sustain this conflict. The war was escalating (Which is what brought us into it- Soviet/Chinese involvement) and they didn't the means in mass, intell, logistics, certain weapons capabilities, force projection (bombers/carriers) etc to wage this war.
zipdedooda 1 month ago
@zipdedooda It was a guerrilla war ! USA had everything you mentioned and still were forced to retreat after hundreds of thousands of casualties. including 75 thousand deaths ,
TheMOONBEAM40 3 weeks ago
@reddog2007max
Body-counts are meaningless metrics in this case. But if it makes you feel good, sure- The French military and polictical objectives were met because they killed XYZ number of Vietcong, allegedly. Feel good nonsense intended to redefine victory and defeat.
zipdedooda 1 month ago
@reddog2007max, Hey dipshit, if you don't make a people knuckle under and submit to your will, YOU GOT YOUR ASS KICKED, even if the enemy lost more people!
Body counts mean shit, they only serve as false propaganda to make a dim-witted, Pavlov's Dog like populace (like YOU) think they're winning so they'll offer up more of their kids as cannon fodder.
But please, keep believing the same old lies, ok? America needs to die & it will as long as a-holes like you are the majority.
Medvetz63 1 month ago
@reddog2007max French forces under GEN NAVARRE included elite troops. PARA +LEGIONARIES ETC. Set up base at Dien Bien Phu to disrupt Vietnamese liberation forces and try to engage in a decisive battle.He wanted use of old Jap airfield.GEN GIAP outwitted him bringing artillery over the mountains .Besieged for 54 days,French surrendered to VIET MINH.GEN CASTRIES captured.COL.PIROTH com.suicide.French announced withdrawal from INDO CHINA next day. 12000 CAP. 8000 DEAD/WOUNDED FREN
TheMOONBEAM40 3 weeks ago
This engagement took place in the Iron Triangle area, NW of Saigon. The US 1st Infantry Division was operating in this area.
combatvet1969 1 month ago
What engagement was this?
Gorbachenko 1 month ago
@Gorbachenko
this was the Battle of Ong Thanh.
combatvet1969 1 month ago
true david and goliath war big bad americans thinking they all bad and a tiny tiny country like vietnam kicked ass
james7167 1 month ago