@jfsfrnd *Romans1:20- "For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities—his eternal power and Divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse."
@jwapostolas you need to watch the series that David barton does on slavery very good! You have to remember being a Christian does not mean we are perfect it means we need a Savior!
@kimmyjj55 Is this the same savior that said a slave should obey his master no matter what? The same savior that said a master can beat his slave as long as the slave can get up in a couple of days?
@jwapostolas Well the Bible justifies slavery. Also the Bible justifies "God's chosen people" killing off those different from themselves. So really christian values do justify these actions. I"m completely against these actions, though.
I just recently watched an excellent documentary, " The Hidden Faith of the Founding Fathers", and discovered that the Founding Fathers were all 33rd degree freemasons. They actually hated the true God of the Bible! You will be shocked to discover what the Founding Fathers actually believed in the own words! Please do a search and learn the truth for yourself.
"THE GOVERNMENT OF THE UNITED STATES IS NOT IN ANY SENSE FOUNDED ON THE CHRISTIAN RELIGION." (Treaty of Tripoli, Article 11: Written during the Administration of George Washington and signed into law by John Adams.)
The Virginia Statute for Religious Freedom, 16 January 1786
". . .that our civil rights have no dependence on our religious opinions any more than our opinions in physics or geometry, that therefore the proscribing any citizen as unworthy the public confidence, by laying upon him an incapacity of being called to offices of trust and emolument, unless he profess or renounce this or that religious opinion, is depriving him injuriously of those privileges and advantages. . .
From: Letter from Thomas Jefferson to Albert Gallatin, June 16, 1817
And you remember to have heard, that, when the act for religious freedom was before the Virginia Assembly, a motion to insert the name of Jesus Christ before the phrase, 'the author of our holy religion,' which stood in the bill, was rejected, although that was the creed of a great majority of them.
No distinction seems to be more obvious than that between spiritual and temporal matters. Yet whenever they have been made objects of Legislation, they have clashed and contended with each other, till one or the other has gained the supremacy."
[James Madison in a letter to Thomas Jefferson Oct-Nov 1787]
James Madison wrote in his essay "Monopolies, Perpetuities, Corporations, Ecclesiastical Endowments" that "besides the danger of a direct mixture of religion and civil government," there were also indirect dangers relating to the constitutional principle of "separation between Religion and Government."
The bill for establishing religious freedom, the principles of which had, to a certain degree, been enacted before, I had drawn in all the latitude of reason & right. It still met with opposition; but, with some mutilations in the preamble, it was finally passed; and a singular proposition proved that it's protection of opinion was meant to be universal. Where the preamble declares that coercion is a departure
from the plan of the holy author of our religion, an amendment was proposed, by inserting the word "Jesus Christ," so that it should read "a departure from the plan of Jesus Christ, the holy author of our religion." The insertion was rejected by a great majority, in proof that they meant to comprehend, within the mantle of it's protection, the Jew and the Gentile, the Christian and Mahometan, the Hindoo, and infidel of every denomination.
I love truth with evidence to back it up. The kids in school today are being taught lies. So sad, no wonder they bring guns to school...they're taught they came from nothing and or animals...so if they are nothing, then what does it matter to them if they shoot someone...and if they are taught they came from animals, then they'll act like them.
The most important of the founding fathers were freemasons. If he thinks that the Idea of God that the founding fathers had, is the same as today´s crazy religion fundamentalists, he needs to study Freemasonry.
Green Dragon" about the environmental threat to Christianity. Barton says, "Environmental science simply does not have a good track record, not at all. Their false assertions are based more on their own morbid fears, not on any good science." Now that he has distorted history, he is off to clear up the error of climate scientists.
"During almost fifteen centuries has the legal establishment of Christianity been on trial. What have been its fruits? More or less in all places, pride and indolence in the Clergy, ignorance and servility in the laity, in both, superstition, bigotry and persecution."
- James Madison "Religious bondage shackles and debilitates the mind and unfits it for every noble enterprise."
- James Madison, fourth president and father of the Constitution
"The Bible is not my book and Christianity is not my religion."
- Abraham Lincoln
"I have recently been examining all the known superstitions of the world, and do not find in our particular superstition (Christianity) one redeeming feature. They are all alike founded on fables and mythology."
- Thomas Jefferson
"If thou trusteth to the book called the Scriptures, thou trusteth to the rotten staff of fables and falsehood."
"..the government of the United States of America is not in any sense founded on the Christian Religion.."
- Treaty of Tripoli, signed by President John Adams,
passed by the third UNANIMOUS vote of the American congress
"I almost shudder at the thought of alluding to the most fatal example of the abuses of grief which the history of mankind has preserved-- the Cross. Consider what calamities that engine of grief has produced!"
Barton is a damned liar. Based out of Tulsa Oklahoma, smack in the middle of the Bible belt. Also the home of a huge check, cash, debit and credit processing company that collects money for many of the biggest televangelist scumbags (who never see your letters). Also the home of Oral Roberts University. Who would name their kid Oral? Is his brother named Anal? Ooops! Did I just sin? Pray for me, sinners. Send me your love. Idiots.
David Barton has thoroughly researched America's Founding Fathers and this nation's birth, and can rightly be called an expert on the principles on which this nation was originally founded. I purchased David Barton's book "Original Intent" which is a wonderful book which factually deals with the intent of the original founders. I highly recommend that book to everyone.
@BT3701 wow, nice rebuttal of the facts. Barton is a quote miner who takes cherry picked quotes out of context and tries to make it look like Jefferson and others were fundies like him. Jefferson openly mocked Christians who believed in the trinity or the divinity of Jesus. Which is why Barton warps his words. You fairy tales believers never have any facts, because you dont require any. You believe in an invisible magic man based on nothing more than someone else telling you he was there.
@MrTruthAddict I pray that during this Christmas season God will give you a revelation of Himself, so that you will come to know Him who is true. The truth will set you free. Have a Merry Christmas.
The term "pseudo-history" aptly describes the kind of quasi-history he offers. His rant against W.E. Woodward for the absence of footnotes falls apart if he considers a better example of the views he is ranting against: Charles Beard's _An Economic Interpretation of the Constitution_ (1913) which is strongly rooted in analysis of evidence and contains footnotes. Also the term "separation of church and state" originates in letter written by Thomas Jefferson and easily accessible at NARA's site.
You ought to disable comments. Every liberal with their head up their ass is going to slam the messenger because they can't slam the truth. They will only perpetually vomit up the usual lies and crap about a secular society. Most of the idiots in this country born after 1960 don't have a clue about history, only the Communist propaganda that has been propagated since prayer was taken out of the schools and since the Communist ACLU has turned us into a secular society.
@EEPIIFFAANNY Disable comments??? THAT is why Atheists (and I am conservative in fiscal and military and legal matters) find people like you scary. Nazis banned books. Freedom of speech........do not become violent for YOUR God. Damn right, no God in schools. Do that in your home and church.
@Karoke77 ~ No God in schools and you're comparing me to Nazis burning books? Every nitwit with an opinion posts their empty comments on this and every other piece of shit video that they disagree with. Talking to you is like empty. You don't understand the 1st Amendment if you're going to attack me for posting mine, you sniveling little creep. Why don't you be a nit wit at home or in your little atheist gatherings...
@EEPIIFFAANNY WHY no God in schools? It is FICTION. School is for teaching facts, not cults. WHICH God is okay?? Why not Allah or Buddha or Thor or the pink dragon on Mars? No God in schools is not a ban on religion. You can practice your belief on any private property. Got it!!
@Karoke77 ~ In my opinion, disabling comments keeps little dick heads from trolling and attacking people for their contrary opinions, especially since the assholes that generally comment on videos like this are just that, ass holes. You've proved my point. I didn't say a fucking thing to you, you came over here and bothered me because you don't like my "opinion". That really opens up free speech, doesn't it? Becoming dick heads to people is what happens when you take God out of public discourse.
@Karoke77 ~ Feel better now? What's your point? My point was that only shit for brains had something to add to this. Go ahead prove my point. My other point is that this is the courtesy you get when God is out of the equation. Want courtesy? Eat shit and die. There. God is out of the equation. My free speech said, "Disable the comments. Nothing but lunatics are going to comment anyway." And you have proved my point. You're just a dick head. You don't like being cussed? Quit being a troll. Fuck U
@EEPIIFFAANNY shame on you for using such language!!! If you are really concerned about "taking God out of public discourse," then it is hard to believe that you would use such language on a public forum!!!
Next time you Christian "scholars" do any "research" you should check out Benjamin Franklins involvement with the "Hell Fire Club", or "Friars of St. Francis of Wycombe". It's a great read, full of accounts of orgies and blasphemy, check it out.
Read an Act for Establishing Religious Freedom by Thomas Jefferson. It was one of the documents James Madison used to write the First Amendment. Read James Madison's writings.
The movement to make the USA a "Christian Nation" was engineered in the 1970s by far-right religious cult leaders such as Pat Robertson and Jerry Falwell. By the mid-2000s these extremist groups had so turned off Americans by the idea of a theocracy that a lower percentage of the population identified as 'Christians' than ever before. America was founded as a secular democracy in which all religions are treated equal.
@nvsvictor "The fool has said in his heart, there is no God." Psalm 53:1 By the way, the Renaissance Period is referred to as the dark ages because no one was allowed to own a bible.
@Karoke77 I must say that I feel sorry for you. God is so good. What do you do when you need help? I pray to Him for help and guidance every day. I pray that you will find God someday. GOD IS REAL! Just look at the human body. Do you honestly think we came from a single organism? I think not.
The "five or six Founders that we've cherry picked" were the first five or six presidents, who happen to also be the writers of the Declaration of Independence (Jefferson--Deist), led the army during the revolution (Washington--Deist), the "father of the Constitution" (Madison--Deist), and the man who almost single-handedly convinced the other colonies to initially rebel (Adams--Unitarian). Barton is an asshat, faux historian.
Those who agree that America was a christain nation answer me this? Why was alot of the founding fathers Freemasons? In case you don't know Freemason is antichrist. My grandfather was a freesmason and i know they have some beliefs that were against what the bible said. CAn i also know why was their alot of racism? If America was a christain nation they had to had love and peace among each other. Im not nesseacary talking about the KKK. Since i learned that they are undercover catholics.
Actually, God is NOT mentioned once in the U.S. Constitution. The words "God" "Jesus" & "Creator" are NOT found in the constitution for a reason. They strongly valued separation of church and state, it's part of the reason our great nation was even founded.
These words are however found in the Declaration of Independence but if you were actually educated you would know that this was because the DOI was basically a letter written to a king of a religious country, pleading for our independence.
@sesamestreetgang you can't argue with the truth. This is a Christian nation founded by Christians, blessed by the hand of God. You must of got your education from a Socialist school.
"You must of got your education from a Socialist school." You, my homely friend, have managed to exhibit your blatant illiteracy and extremely poor grammar while simultaneously purporting that I have an inferior education all in one sentence.
Jefferson was a deist
Franklin was blatantly a deist
Washington was a freemason
It is made very clear that the U.S. was NOT founded as a Christian nation. Read the Treaty of Tripoli drafted by the founders. Barton is an outcast among scholars.
YOU SIR, ARE A LIAR. You clearly have not read true history. Try reading THE REAL BENJAMIN FRANKLIN and THE REAL GEORGE WASHINGTON. But, I will just bet you are not a true leader and won't read it. You are just a FOLLOWER and believes just what others tell you. DO YOUR OWN HOMEWORK.
I'm a liar? The fact that God and Jesus are not mentioned once in the U.S. Constitution is plain for everyone to see, my homely friend. As for your suggestions I've read Franklin's original autobiography, it gives a very clear unbiased insight into the man's life from his own words. Franklin and Jefferson were clearly Deists, anyone who has even a basic knowledge of U.S. history knows the reasoning for no religious affiliation within our government. Read the Treaty of Tripoli.
There Is only one TRUE religion in America-Christianity-Cause Jesus is one TRUE GOD-all else is Zionist Bullshet designed to make money your life's pursuit, in FACT money's used as means to control us.TheMEDIA-LIARS are means to DUMB YOU DOWN! WE are NOT evolved monkeys cause Ancient Egypt had Anti-gravity and Electricity. WE'VE Deevolved by Rockefeller(design US Education)put Mercury in Vaccinations inducing autism in YOUR KIDS all world! Don't get vaccination-don't send kid to public schools.
Really, who says? You? What about our very first Supreme Court Cheif Justice, John Jay, who said:
"Providence has given to our people the choice of their rulers, and it is the duty, as well as the privilege and interest of our Christian nation to select and prefer Christians for their rulers."
You can just type the quote into google.
But it doesn't matter to you.. you don't care what John says.. you want it to be a non-Christian nation.
@nvsvictor "...[O]ur very first Supreme Court Cheif Justice, John Jay" was wrong. His sentiments were not shared by a majority of the Founders, and no Supreme Court Justice sitting today-- including the most conservative ones-- would agree with Joh jay's statement as you quoted it.
Google - Facts not Fairies American Christians have to stop being fools. Zionists control American government, media, churches, corporations, justice department. And after all Zionists atrocities, they asking America again for more bombs.
@scatcoitus LOL you don't know the truth. deists doesn't mean today what or how it was regarded then... they believed in a personal God.. Benjamin had problems with certain organized religions.. look at this..Christ Church ushistory/org/tour/christ-church/htm
this guy fails to mention that the democratic party was the conservative party at that time. david barton is an agent of disinformation and trys to fool people by playing semantic games. the democratic party of today is not the same as the democratic party duing lincoln's time. during lincolns time, they were for laisse fair capitalism and all this shit republicans want today. the democratic party during the reconstruction was far from progressive and liberal.
@scatcoitus Where did Barton say anything about dems... the republican party was formed from whigs, abolitionist , including some dems, and some other groups..
One only needs to read letters from the founders. It is so clear that Christ was at the core of most of these men that it didn't even need mentioning. Study up.
"As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion,—as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquility, of [Muslims], it is declared by the parties that no pretext arising from religious opinions shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries.
i have no doubt some christians were in there, but the most part they were not.washington,madison?or adams? stated it clearly it was not a christian nation.and if it was, it would have been made clear in the papers printed.
The United States of America is a secular nation, because it is secular nation is what gives the citizens the right to freedom of religion. Without it, you would not be able to practice your special religion. Look up the treaty of tripoli, signed by 23 of the 32 active members of congress in 1797. Unanimously agreed, that this country is not founded on the Christian religion.
Not one of the founding fathers was sympathetic to religious fundamentalism of the type espoused by today's religious right-- Falwell, Dobson and their sanctimnious ilk would have sickened the founders who were men of the Enlightenment, believers in Classical values, science and democracy. They took pains to remove all references to Christianity in the Constitution and to keep church and state separate, unlike nations of the Middle East that suffer so much turmoil over religion.
If the American constitution is so clearly Christian, then why does there have to be all this debate? Do you see Iranians, or Saudis, or Jordanians debating whether their constitution is Islamic? No, of course not - because it's there in writing. And do you see British debating whether their constitution is (nominally) Anglican? No, because it's there in writing.
The American Constitution is godless. That's why apologists need to convince people with these tenuous arguments that it's Christian.
@nvsvictor : David Barton's whole argument is that the Christian god is part of the USA constitution - the bit I don't understand is if it is part of the USA constitution, shouldn't it be clear?
David Barton has a vast collection of original documents. He has done his homework. He wins legal cases (against strong opposition) because he knows what he is talking about and nobody can argue against original documentation.
Would anyone be interested in seeing a few dozen quotes from the founding fathers as to what they thought of religion personally, and what they thought of religion in terms of its influence and effects (positive/negative) on the country?
Why would you pick the one founding father who said the least about religion (assuming by GW you mean George Washington).
Read Jefferson's entire letter to Peter Carr, from 1787. Here is one quote:
"Fix reason firmly in her seat, and call to her tribunal every fact, every opinion. Question with boldness even the existence of a god; because, if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason, than that of blindfolded fear."
Look up the entire letter to ensure you have the context.
Interesting thanksgiving link - I had not been aware of it before. Thank you for sharing it.
As to context - when I post a quote I always try to emphasize that, to the best of my knowledge, the quote itself is within the context of the whole piece (ie, NOT quotemining). TJ's letter takes around 10min to read in full.
GW did say the LEAST about religion of the FF's - I did not try to claim that he said NOTHING about it.
@mandminjapan You have to remember something, this was a very different time in US history. His "slaves" loved him, they would do anything for him and felt like family. It was like having a really great job, especially with jefferson because he was wealthy.
Sure, and the apostle Paul had previously been an individual who persecuted and killed people - yet his writings have been viewed as the inspired word of god for almost 2000 years.
So let's be fair here - divorce the person from their ideas (as billions of people have done with Paul); what do you think of what Jefferson SAID? Did you read it at all?
@bushonomics: That is why Paul's conversion was so amazing. He was previously Saul... He had to change his name because life had changed so much. I don't think we should divorce the person from their ideas. Ideas come from somewhere, good or bad.
Assuming you're not a troll, you're not helping a debate by being a namecaller. Sheesh; bring up a valid point, or continue to listen & learn while you develop one.
interesting, but it leaves the question; why did god create us with the ability to be evil? surely if he had made us all good we would still have free will and the Earth would be a far better place. Why would He then give us the power to be evil and then condemn us to hell for doing so?
To friedie1jeff: You are so tranparent in your comments it's laughable.... as another over-educated liberal voice believing in revisionist history you attack the messenger rather than the message. History is a study of the facts of events as they were, not as you wish they were. They are not up for opposing viewpoint.
It is not I who believes in revisionist history, nor who does not believe in presenting all of the facts. If your abject ignorance feels poorly, then read some of the scholarly works and papers of the time in question by the founding fathers, and also some later works. Don't be smug in your self-righteous rewrites of history because it feels good. That is not scholarship.
There is only one world view that would have brought about the U.S.A.
And that is the Christian world view. The muslin W.V. wouldnt.
The Hindu W.V. wouldnt, and Buddhism wouldnt have.
Its only the Christian world view and thats why you had the freedoms you had until commies and atheist got in to the government and started destroying it from within.
Only a fool would praise the ones who will enslave them.
"It is the duty of every man to render to the Creator such homage, and such only, as he believes to be acceptable to him. This duty is precedent both in order of time and degree of obligation, to the claims of Civil Society. Before any man can be considered as a member of Civil Society, he must be considered as a subject of the Governor of the Universe." --James Madison, A Memorial and Remonstrance, 1785
"[R]eligion, or the duty which we owe to our creator, and the manner of discharging it, can be directed only by reason and conviction, not by force or violence; and therefore all men are equally entitled to the free exercise of religion, according to the dictates of conscience; and this is the mutual duty of all to practice Christian forbearance, love, and charity towards each other." --Virginia Bill of Rights, Article 16, 1776
lol. That was back then when many sects of Christianty worship differently of the same God.
It don't talk about Jesus or God, specify.
Do you know the background back then? Madison, Jefferson and Franklin were influneced by John Locke, Voltire, and free market (captialism), not the bible.
Christians need to learn history, not from a pastor who brings myths.
You are right in a way...but also very wrong. They fled Europe because they were fleeing from the Catholic religion which was the state mandated religion. They fled to the new world (via Holland) to be able to worship as they wished. It was all about religion and freedom OF religion - not freedom FROM religion. Religion was the fundation which they built . The freedom to worship God in the way they saw fit and to raise their children in the Word of God. Free from Tyrany of a mandated religion.
If this man was really a scholar, he would advise of the Deism of the rest of the signers. Any REAL historian, or anyone with common sense, will advise that the Founding Fathers were a very mixed lot with respect to religious belief. This man is a fraud. He is pandering to the ignorant.
You do realize that the history that Barton teaches IS history, right? You guys act like he's presenting something that isn't true. It's history. And he works from the ORIGINAL DOCUMENTS, so again, he's hard (or shall I say impossible) to refute.
Barton doesn't avoid the Deists at all. Search the word on his website. Why would he MISREPRESENT history by talking more about Deism than is necessary? The scales are NOT equal in history on this issue. The VAST MAJORITY were Christians.
Even if it were true that the vast majority were Christians, that does not mean that the country was founded on the principles of Christianity. Those with severe insecurities would like to think so, but reading the documents and letters of the era would lead one to far different conclusions.
Does it make logical sense for a vastly devout religious community to make laws and establish a new nation that is without their core beliefs? No. That's utterly ridiculous and unfounded in any nation in history. But because it's unpopular today to consider America as a nation founded upon one particular religion, we imagine the ridiculous.
And your severely wrong about the founding documents and letters. They are FULL of Christianity. Read the Declaration of Independence, for example.
I'm just curious, can you give us an example of some of the founding letters and documents that you're talking about that would lead us to a conclusion other than that America was founded upon Christianity?
Sure. I will submit to you a list when some time opens up for me next week. You can start out by reading some Thomas Paine, and also the Constitution itself. Meanwhile, understand that only some of the founding fathers' and their contemporaries were devout Christians. Alexander Hamilton was one of them. There were other devoutly religious people, but not Christians, such as Jefferson and Washington, and atheists as well. Do not confuse "devoutly religious" with "Christian".
Thomas Paine wrote one good work, "Common Sense." Ben Franklin told him to burn "The Age of Reason," but he didn't listen. He died in infamy with six people, none friends or loved ones, attending his funeral. He's not exactly a model of the Founding Fathers.
Would you please post the Atheist Founders? You might be able to claim Paine, but you see the outcome of that. MOST of the Founders were devout Christians.
Do NOT associate with those given to CHANGE!! Deceit is in the heart of those who devise evil. Where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is Liberty. Do NOT be afraid of sudden terror,Nor of trouble from the wicked when it comes, For the Lord will be your confidence. And will keep your foot from being caught. Trust in the Lord with all your heart, And lean not on your own understanding; In all your ways acknowledge Him, And He shall direct your paths-Proverbs
Do NOT associate with those given to CHANGE!! Deceit is in the heart of those who devise evil. Where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is Liberty. Do NOT be afraid of sudden terror, Nor of trouble from the wicked when it comes, For the Lord will be your confidence, And will keep your foot from being caught - Proverbs
Once again, no refutation of Barton's fact by the naysayers. He's pretty hard to refute. Excellent stuff. Too bad there is no interest in American any longer for factual history. It's sad, but true.
dear muslim, christians and jewish, LISTEN! Stop fighting! THE CHINESE ARE CONQUERING THE WORLD. They are attacking all of us slowly and quietly, when we realise ,the world will be in their hand. Remember the MONGOLS? They ripped off the countries they rule,THEY ATTACK MUSLIMS JEWISH AND CHRISTIANS,same goes to chinese nowdays, they are from the same origin of the mongols! Dont be too focus on muslim as a terrorist! The real disaster is alraedy all over the world. BEWARE OF THE CHINESE!!!!!!
Hello all!
This video inspired me to become a Muslim, Could anyone give me Dawah here?
TheRagnvaldr 3 months ago
USA is now an Atheist nation. Enlist in Atheism ^__^
Karoke77 3 months ago
''divine law'' - all divine means is from God, not necessarily from the Bible.
jfsfrnd 5 months ago
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@jfsfrnd *Romans1:20- "For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities—his eternal power and Divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse."
yadig2012 4 months ago in playlist God In America
his is not true
FlyinSpaghettiMnstr7 6 months ago
THANK YOU FOR SHARING THIS; EVERY SINGLE AMERICAN NEEDS TO SEE THIS WITH AN OPEN MIND!
thepatriotsheepdog 6 months ago
I have an honest question for any US citizen who has a reasonable answer for this.
If the US was indeed founded on Christian values, then how do you explain or justify slavery or the massacre of the indigenous Indian population?
jwapostolas 6 months ago
@jwapostolas you need to watch the series that David barton does on slavery very good! You have to remember being a Christian does not mean we are perfect it means we need a Savior!
kimmyjj55 2 months ago
@kimmyjj55 Is this the same savior that said a slave should obey his master no matter what? The same savior that said a master can beat his slave as long as the slave can get up in a couple of days?
10trojan10 1 month ago
@jwapostolas Well the Bible justifies slavery. Also the Bible justifies "God's chosen people" killing off those different from themselves. So really christian values do justify these actions. I"m completely against these actions, though.
10trojan10 1 month ago
I just recently watched an excellent documentary, " The Hidden Faith of the Founding Fathers", and discovered that the Founding Fathers were all 33rd degree freemasons. They actually hated the true God of the Bible! You will be shocked to discover what the Founding Fathers actually believed in the own words! Please do a search and learn the truth for yourself.
shiphrahhopeful 7 months ago
25 Liberal demons did not like this video.
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"THE GOVERNMENT OF THE UNITED STATES IS NOT IN ANY SENSE FOUNDED ON THE CHRISTIAN RELIGION." (Treaty of Tripoli, Article 11: Written during the Administration of George Washington and signed into law by John Adams.)
MagicTellaVision 7 months ago
The Virginia Statute for Religious Freedom, 16 January 1786
". . .that our civil rights have no dependence on our religious opinions any more than our opinions in physics or geometry, that therefore the proscribing any citizen as unworthy the public confidence, by laying upon him an incapacity of being called to offices of trust and emolument, unless he profess or renounce this or that religious opinion, is depriving him injuriously of those privileges and advantages. . .
jfsfrnd 7 months ago
From: Letter from Thomas Jefferson to Albert Gallatin, June 16, 1817
And you remember to have heard, that, when the act for religious freedom was before the Virginia Assembly, a motion to insert the name of Jesus Christ before the phrase, 'the author of our holy religion,' which stood in the bill, was rejected, although that was the creed of a great majority of them.
jfsfrnd 7 months ago
No distinction seems to be more obvious than that between spiritual and temporal matters. Yet whenever they have been made objects of Legislation, they have clashed and contended with each other, till one or the other has gained the supremacy."
[James Madison in a letter to Thomas Jefferson Oct-Nov 1787]
jfsfrnd 7 months ago
James Madison wrote in his essay "Monopolies, Perpetuities, Corporations, Ecclesiastical Endowments" that "besides the danger of a direct mixture of religion and civil government," there were also indirect dangers relating to the constitutional principle of "separation between Religion and Government."
jfsfrnd 7 months ago
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1 - Autobiography - by Thomas Jefferson
The bill for establishing religious freedom, the principles of which had, to a certain degree, been enacted before, I had drawn in all the latitude of reason & right. It still met with opposition; but, with some mutilations in the preamble, it was finally passed; and a singular proposition proved that it's protection of opinion was meant to be universal. Where the preamble declares that coercion is a departure
jfsfrnd 7 months ago
from the plan of the holy author of our religion, an amendment was proposed, by inserting the word "Jesus Christ," so that it should read "a departure from the plan of Jesus Christ, the holy author of our religion." The insertion was rejected by a great majority, in proof that they meant to comprehend, within the mantle of it's protection, the Jew and the Gentile, the Christian and Mahometan, the Hindoo, and infidel of every denomination.
jfsfrnd 7 months ago
I love truth with evidence to back it up. The kids in school today are being taught lies. So sad, no wonder they bring guns to school...they're taught they came from nothing and or animals...so if they are nothing, then what does it matter to them if they shoot someone...and if they are taught they came from animals, then they'll act like them.
shanana000 8 months ago
The most important of the founding fathers were freemasons. If he thinks that the Idea of God that the founding fathers had, is the same as today´s crazy religion fundamentalists, he needs to study Freemasonry.
paleoton 9 months ago
David rocks!!
WWCons 10 months ago
I find it sad that over time the secularists have deceptively revised history to leave out America's Christian heritage.
BT3701 10 months ago
Wilson was a crook. Just Google him and you will see. So if you want to claim Wilson as your example of a "Christian" founding father, fine by me.
SamWiseGingy 11 months ago
The only Biblical principle preserved in American law was slavery.
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ibrahimali2009 11 months ago
Green Dragon" about the environmental threat to Christianity. Barton says, "Environmental science simply does not have a good track record, not at all. Their false assertions are based more on their own morbid fears, not on any good science." Now that he has distorted history, he is off to clear up the error of climate scientists.
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"During almost fifteen centuries has the legal establishment of Christianity been on trial. What have been its fruits? More or less in all places, pride and indolence in the Clergy, ignorance and servility in the laity, in both, superstition, bigotry and persecution."
- James Madison "Religious bondage shackles and debilitates the mind and unfits it for every noble enterprise."
- James Madison, fourth president and father of the Constitution
"I am no Christian."
- Ethan Allen
Imaginefree69 1 year ago
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"The Bible is not my book and Christianity is not my religion."
- Abraham Lincoln
"I have recently been examining all the known superstitions of the world, and do not find in our particular superstition (Christianity) one redeeming feature. They are all alike founded on fables and mythology."
- Thomas Jefferson
"If thou trusteth to the book called the Scriptures, thou trusteth to the rotten staff of fables and falsehood."
- Thomas Paine
Imaginefree69 1 year ago
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"..the government of the United States of America is not in any sense founded on the Christian Religion.."
- Treaty of Tripoli, signed by President John Adams,
passed by the third UNANIMOUS vote of the American congress
"I almost shudder at the thought of alluding to the most fatal example of the abuses of grief which the history of mankind has preserved-- the Cross. Consider what calamities that engine of grief has produced!"
- John Adams
Imaginefree69 1 year ago
Barton is a damned liar. Based out of Tulsa Oklahoma, smack in the middle of the Bible belt. Also the home of a huge check, cash, debit and credit processing company that collects money for many of the biggest televangelist scumbags (who never see your letters). Also the home of Oral Roberts University. Who would name their kid Oral? Is his brother named Anal? Ooops! Did I just sin? Pray for me, sinners. Send me your love. Idiots.
sparky7718 1 year ago
@sparky7718 and you live in a community where child molesters reside. Using the same logic, you must be a child molester too.
learlessfeader 1 year ago
David Barton has thoroughly researched America's Founding Fathers and this nation's birth, and can rightly be called an expert on the principles on which this nation was originally founded. I purchased David Barton's book "Original Intent" which is a wonderful book which factually deals with the intent of the original founders. I highly recommend that book to everyone.
BT3701 1 year ago
@BT3701 He's a complete liar. liarsforjesus (.) com
MrTruthAddict 1 year ago
@MrTruthAddict
liarsforjesus (.) com is an untrustworthy web-site, whose main goal is a vain attempt at history revisionism.
BT3701 1 year ago
@BT3701 wow, nice rebuttal of the facts. Barton is a quote miner who takes cherry picked quotes out of context and tries to make it look like Jefferson and others were fundies like him. Jefferson openly mocked Christians who believed in the trinity or the divinity of Jesus. Which is why Barton warps his words. You fairy tales believers never have any facts, because you dont require any. You believe in an invisible magic man based on nothing more than someone else telling you he was there.
MrTruthAddict 1 year ago
@MrTruthAddict I pray that during this Christmas season God will give you a revelation of Himself, so that you will come to know Him who is true. The truth will set you free. Have a Merry Christmas.
BT3701 1 year ago
@BT3701 Might as well be praying to a rock. He's not there. which is why you all have to keep up your lies, lest your faith be challenged.
MrTruthAddict 1 year ago
God is a human invention.
Karoke77 1 year ago
Here is a video that claims the exact opposite. How do we know who to believe?
/watch?v=7eGDQ_J1ieA
x1plus1x 1 year ago
The term "pseudo-history" aptly describes the kind of quasi-history he offers. His rant against W.E. Woodward for the absence of footnotes falls apart if he considers a better example of the views he is ranting against: Charles Beard's _An Economic Interpretation of the Constitution_ (1913) which is strongly rooted in analysis of evidence and contains footnotes. Also the term "separation of church and state" originates in letter written by Thomas Jefferson and easily accessible at NARA's site.
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LibertyTeamsUnited 1 year ago
You ought to disable comments. Every liberal with their head up their ass is going to slam the messenger because they can't slam the truth. They will only perpetually vomit up the usual lies and crap about a secular society. Most of the idiots in this country born after 1960 don't have a clue about history, only the Communist propaganda that has been propagated since prayer was taken out of the schools and since the Communist ACLU has turned us into a secular society.
EEPIIFFAANNY 1 year ago
@EEPIIFFAANNY Disable comments??? THAT is why Atheists (and I am conservative in fiscal and military and legal matters) find people like you scary. Nazis banned books. Freedom of speech........do not become violent for YOUR God. Damn right, no God in schools. Do that in your home and church.
Karoke77 1 year ago
@Karoke77 ~ No God in schools and you're comparing me to Nazis burning books? Every nitwit with an opinion posts their empty comments on this and every other piece of shit video that they disagree with. Talking to you is like empty. You don't understand the 1st Amendment if you're going to attack me for posting mine, you sniveling little creep. Why don't you be a nit wit at home or in your little atheist gatherings...
EEPIIFFAANNY 1 year ago
@EEPIIFFAANNY You can post all the comments you want, why be scared of other opinions???
Karoke77 1 year ago
@EEPIIFFAANNY WHY no God in schools? It is FICTION. School is for teaching facts, not cults. WHICH God is okay?? Why not Allah or Buddha or Thor or the pink dragon on Mars? No God in schools is not a ban on religion. You can practice your belief on any private property. Got it!!
Karoke77 1 year ago
@Karoke77 ~ In my opinion, disabling comments keeps little dick heads from trolling and attacking people for their contrary opinions, especially since the assholes that generally comment on videos like this are just that, ass holes. You've proved my point. I didn't say a fucking thing to you, you came over here and bothered me because you don't like my "opinion". That really opens up free speech, doesn't it? Becoming dick heads to people is what happens when you take God out of public discourse.
EEPIIFFAANNY 1 year ago
@EEPIIFFAANNY I have never cursed at you. I guess God is really helping you to be a non-violent, civilized person. LOL!
Karoke77 1 year ago
@Karoke77 ~ Feel better now? What's your point? My point was that only shit for brains had something to add to this. Go ahead prove my point. My other point is that this is the courtesy you get when God is out of the equation. Want courtesy? Eat shit and die. There. God is out of the equation. My free speech said, "Disable the comments. Nothing but lunatics are going to comment anyway." And you have proved my point. You're just a dick head. You don't like being cussed? Quit being a troll. Fuck U
EEPIIFFAANNY 1 year ago
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Karoke77 1 year ago
@EEPIIFFAANNY shame on you for using such language!!! If you are really concerned about "taking God out of public discourse," then it is hard to believe that you would use such language on a public forum!!!
suzanmca2 1 year ago
I notice many opponents of this video do not attack the facts asserted. They merely rant.
Clammypollack 1 year ago 5
@Clammypollack
Yes indeed!
nvsvictor 1 year ago 2
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MrTruthAddict 1 year ago
@Clammypollack Amen brother. Apperantely too many of our contempories go by popular oppinion
Ezrolith23 1 year ago
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MrTruthAddict 1 year ago
@Clammypollack Amen brother. Apperantely too many of our contempories go by popular oppinion. Sorry I think my batteries went when I was typing
Ezrolith23 1 year ago
@Clammypollack The facts are on our side. Barton is a quote miner who uses quotes out of context to try to change our history. liarsforjesus (.) com
MrTruthAddict 1 year ago
@Clammypollack
Definitely true!
sabliko1 9 months ago
our pastors need to see this.
tl52 1 year ago 3
@tl52
Agreed!
nvsvictor 1 year ago
@tl52 your pastors need to see this liarsforjesus (.) com
MrTruthAddict 1 year ago
Next time you Christian "scholars" do any "research" you should check out Benjamin Franklins involvement with the "Hell Fire Club", or "Friars of St. Francis of Wycombe". It's a great read, full of accounts of orgies and blasphemy, check it out.
HBSchool 1 year ago
Read an Act for Establishing Religious Freedom by Thomas Jefferson. It was one of the documents James Madison used to write the First Amendment. Read James Madison's writings.
jfsfrnd 1 year ago
The movement to make the USA a "Christian Nation" was engineered in the 1970s by far-right religious cult leaders such as Pat Robertson and Jerry Falwell. By the mid-2000s these extremist groups had so turned off Americans by the idea of a theocracy that a lower percentage of the population identified as 'Christians' than ever before. America was founded as a secular democracy in which all religions are treated equal.
MrDominex 1 year ago
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Stupid Americans.
Stupid Christians.
Kindly fuck off, the world is fed up.
Dystopian91 1 year ago
God is fiction......USA will become an Atheist nation as more children realize God is imaginary.
Decades ago, children feared the dark and ghosts.
I do not think people under the age of 25 even know what a ghost is anymore.
People are advancing out of the dark ages into reality.
Karoke77 1 year ago
@Karoke77
"I do not think people under the age of 25 even know what a ghost is anymore."
< Well that's a false belief my friend.
nvsvictor 1 year ago 2
@nvsvictor "The fool has said in his heart, there is no God." Psalm 53:1 By the way, the Renaissance Period is referred to as the dark ages because no one was allowed to own a bible.
amlison 1 year ago
@amlison
Interesting.
nvsvictor 1 year ago
@Karoke77 I must say that I feel sorry for you. God is so good. What do you do when you need help? I pray to Him for help and guidance every day. I pray that you will find God someday. GOD IS REAL! Just look at the human body. Do you honestly think we came from a single organism? I think not.
Christyb38 1 year ago
@Christyb38 I do not need "help." So, you talk to youself (prayer). I feel sorry for you, actually.
Karoke77 1 year ago
Watch the series "Our Christian Heritage in America" by Dr. Jody Hice. Dr. Hice is a candidate for Congress in Georgia's 7th Congressional District.
November302008 1 year ago
The "five or six Founders that we've cherry picked" were the first five or six presidents, who happen to also be the writers of the Declaration of Independence (Jefferson--Deist), led the army during the revolution (Washington--Deist), the "father of the Constitution" (Madison--Deist), and the man who almost single-handedly convinced the other colonies to initially rebel (Adams--Unitarian). Barton is an asshat, faux historian.
JMShuffield 1 year ago
Those who agree that America was a christain nation answer me this? Why was alot of the founding fathers Freemasons? In case you don't know Freemason is antichrist. My grandfather was a freesmason and i know they have some beliefs that were against what the bible said. CAn i also know why was their alot of racism? If America was a christain nation they had to had love and peace among each other. Im not nesseacary talking about the KKK. Since i learned that they are undercover catholics.
freest2dogg 1 year ago
@freest2dogg thats dumb
scarynight63 1 year ago
barton is not a historian hes a liar look it up hes a preacher and a self hating queer like ted haggard
gafejorge1 1 year ago
Actually, God is NOT mentioned once in the U.S. Constitution. The words "God" "Jesus" & "Creator" are NOT found in the constitution for a reason. They strongly valued separation of church and state, it's part of the reason our great nation was even founded.
These words are however found in the Declaration of Independence but if you were actually educated you would know that this was because the DOI was basically a letter written to a king of a religious country, pleading for our independence.
sesamestreetgang 1 year ago
@sesamestreetgang
"pleading for our independence. "
< Whoa. Declaration of independence was no "pleading." It was a statement to pull out. They didn't have to appeal to England.
nvsvictor 1 year ago 2
@nvsvictor well put :)
TheBarby82 1 year ago
@sesamestreetgang
The words "separation of church and state" are also "NOT found in the constitution for a reason."
qpwillie 1 year ago 2
@sesamestreetgang you can't argue with the truth. This is a Christian nation founded by Christians, blessed by the hand of God. You must of got your education from a Socialist school.
bills910 1 year ago
@bills910
"You must of got your education from a Socialist school." You, my homely friend, have managed to exhibit your blatant illiteracy and extremely poor grammar while simultaneously purporting that I have an inferior education all in one sentence.
Jefferson was a deist
Franklin was blatantly a deist
Washington was a freemason
It is made very clear that the U.S. was NOT founded as a Christian nation. Read the Treaty of Tripoli drafted by the founders. Barton is an outcast among scholars.
sesamestreetgang 1 year ago
@sesamestreetgang
YOU SIR, ARE A LIAR. You clearly have not read true history. Try reading THE REAL BENJAMIN FRANKLIN and THE REAL GEORGE WASHINGTON. But, I will just bet you are not a true leader and won't read it. You are just a FOLLOWER and believes just what others tell you. DO YOUR OWN HOMEWORK.
tomsinclairjr 1 year ago
@tomsinclairjr
I'm a liar? The fact that God and Jesus are not mentioned once in the U.S. Constitution is plain for everyone to see, my homely friend. As for your suggestions I've read Franklin's original autobiography, it gives a very clear unbiased insight into the man's life from his own words. Franklin and Jefferson were clearly Deists, anyone who has even a basic knowledge of U.S. history knows the reasoning for no religious affiliation within our government. Read the Treaty of Tripoli.
sesamestreetgang 1 year ago
There Is only one TRUE religion in America-Christianity-Cause Jesus is one TRUE GOD-all else is Zionist Bullshet designed to make money your life's pursuit, in FACT money's used as means to control us.TheMEDIA-LIARS are means to DUMB YOU DOWN! WE are NOT evolved monkeys cause Ancient Egypt had Anti-gravity and Electricity. WE'VE Deevolved by Rockefeller(design US Education)put Mercury in Vaccinations inducing autism in YOUR KIDS all world! Don't get vaccination-don't send kid to public schools.
exposetruthwolf 1 year ago
USA is NOT a Christian nation.
Karoke77 1 year ago 3
@Karoke77 u just found that out?
FlyinSpaghettiMnstr7 1 year ago
@Karoke77
Really, who says? You? What about our very first Supreme Court Cheif Justice, John Jay, who said:
"Providence has given to our people the choice of their rulers, and it is the duty, as well as the privilege and interest of our Christian nation to select and prefer Christians for their rulers."
You can just type the quote into google.
But it doesn't matter to you.. you don't care what John says.. you want it to be a non-Christian nation.
nvsvictor 1 year ago
@nvsvictor I didn't know about that quote! Thanks!
TheBarby82 1 year ago
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@nvsvictor "...[O]ur very first Supreme Court Cheif Justice, John Jay" was wrong. His sentiments were not shared by a majority of the Founders, and no Supreme Court Justice sitting today-- including the most conservative ones-- would agree with Joh jay's statement as you quoted it.
pwnUgood 1 year ago
@nvsvictor
Ohhh, you probably wont know any of them, President John Adams and the Senate over which Thomas Jefferson presided.
Article 11 of the Treaty of Tripoli:
"As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion,"
HBSchool 1 year ago
Google - Facts not Fairies American Christians have to stop being fools. Zionists control American government, media, churches, corporations, justice department. And after all Zionists atrocities, they asking America again for more bombs.
eartina 1 year ago
Wow great video and info.. Barton is an American treasure and Patriot! God Bless
carlindelco 1 year ago
thomas jefferson, thomas paine and benjamin franklin wrote about being deists. this david burton guy only believes what he wants to hear.
scatcoitus 1 year ago
@scatcoitus LOL you don't know the truth. deists doesn't mean today what or how it was regarded then... they believed in a personal God.. Benjamin had problems with certain organized religions.. look at this..Christ Church ushistory/org/tour/christ-church/htm
carlindelco 1 year ago
this guy fails to mention that the democratic party was the conservative party at that time. david barton is an agent of disinformation and trys to fool people by playing semantic games. the democratic party of today is not the same as the democratic party duing lincoln's time. during lincolns time, they were for laisse fair capitalism and all this shit republicans want today. the democratic party during the reconstruction was far from progressive and liberal.
scatcoitus 1 year ago
@scatcoitus Where did Barton say anything about dems... the republican party was formed from whigs, abolitionist , including some dems, and some other groups..
carlindelco 1 year ago
Would one of you Bible thumping Teabaggers please show us where God or Jesus is mentioned in the body of the US Constitution.
AtlasShruggery 1 year ago
@AtlasShruggery
One only needs to read letters from the founders. It is so clear that Christ was at the core of most of these men that it didn't even need mentioning. Study up.
RamsesReturns 1 year ago
Treaty of Tripoli (1796), Article 11:
"As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion,—as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquility, of [Muslims], it is declared by the parties that no pretext arising from religious opinions shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries.
Pretty clear. . .
manhunt48 1 year ago
i have no doubt some christians were in there, but the most part they were not.washington,madison?or adams? stated it clearly it was not a christian nation.and if it was, it would have been made clear in the papers printed.
TheWICCACHANNEL 1 year ago
yeah a Christian network wants to make a documentary special on the Christianity the founding fathers followed. No intended bias there at all.
RottenEggCreations 1 year ago
The United States of America is a secular nation, because it is secular nation is what gives the citizens the right to freedom of religion. Without it, you would not be able to practice your special religion. Look up the treaty of tripoli, signed by 23 of the 32 active members of congress in 1797. Unanimously agreed, that this country is not founded on the Christian religion.
wireless4me 1 year ago
Not one of the founding fathers was sympathetic to religious fundamentalism of the type espoused by today's religious right-- Falwell, Dobson and their sanctimnious ilk would have sickened the founders who were men of the Enlightenment, believers in Classical values, science and democracy. They took pains to remove all references to Christianity in the Constitution and to keep church and state separate, unlike nations of the Middle East that suffer so much turmoil over religion.
luvdomus 1 year ago
If the American constitution is so clearly Christian, then why does there have to be all this debate? Do you see Iranians, or Saudis, or Jordanians debating whether their constitution is Islamic? No, of course not - because it's there in writing. And do you see British debating whether their constitution is (nominally) Anglican? No, because it's there in writing.
The American Constitution is godless. That's why apologists need to convince people with these tenuous arguments that it's Christian.
MegaLotusEater 1 year ago
You may be correct that the constitution doesn't mention God (except in the date) ... though I would want to double check,
However, many state constitutions do mention God.
Nonetheless, the debate is more on our heritage, not on the constitution mentioning God.
nvsvictor 1 year ago
@nvsvictor : David Barton's whole argument is that the Christian god is part of the USA constitution - the bit I don't understand is if it is part of the USA constitution, shouldn't it be clear?
MegaLotusEater 1 year ago
Could you kindly cite the timestamp where David Barton says that God is part of the constitution?
nvsvictor 1 year ago
@nvsvictor : Don't be pedantic and silly. It should have been obvious that I was paraphrasing. And I'm sorry but that is his argument.
MegaLotusEater 1 year ago
@MegaLotusEater A better way to describe it's role.. is that it is based on judeo/christian values and principles but we are NOT a theocracy
carlindelco 1 year ago
See David Barton s video Black and White America.
SOOOOO Awesome my absolute favorite of the series.
NoneBeforeNoneAfter 1 year ago
Just saw it, very good stuff.
David Barton is great.
nvsvictor 1 year ago
this guy
is such
a fucking
dumbass.
famousmanbearpig 1 year ago
You said it, mate. I would love to punch him hard on the nose
MegaLotusEater 1 year ago
Sounds like a great civil debate... punching people and calling them dumb asses.
nvsvictor 1 year ago
No, I'd love to hit him, but I'd control that impulse and instead demolish him through good Socratic dialectic discourse.
MegaLotusEater 1 year ago
Good... I just hope that truth would win the argument, not man's biases.
nvsvictor 1 year ago
David Barton has a vast collection of original documents. He has done his homework. He wins legal cases (against strong opposition) because he knows what he is talking about and nobody can argue against original documentation.
romansten9 2 years ago
Would anyone be interested in seeing a few dozen quotes from the founding fathers as to what they thought of religion personally, and what they thought of religion in terms of its influence and effects (positive/negative) on the country?
bushonomics 2 years ago
Alright done that. Look at GW.
nvsvictor 1 year ago
Why would you pick the one founding father who said the least about religion (assuming by GW you mean George Washington).
Read Jefferson's entire letter to Peter Carr, from 1787. Here is one quote:
"Fix reason firmly in her seat, and call to her tribunal every fact, every opinion. Question with boldness even the existence of a god; because, if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason, than that of blindfolded fear."
Look up the entire letter to ensure you have the context.
bushonomics 1 year ago
"who said the least about religion (assuming by GW you mean George Washington)."
< I thought I replied to this...
anyhow, please look at this:
earlyamerica . com/earlyamerica/firsts/thanksgiving/thankstext.html
"Look up the entire letter to ensure you have the context. "
< I'd love to, but i got little time to debate. :(
nvsvictor 1 year ago
Hi Nvsvictor,
Interesting thanksgiving link - I had not been aware of it before. Thank you for sharing it.
As to context - when I post a quote I always try to emphasize that, to the best of my knowledge, the quote itself is within the context of the whole piece (ie, NOT quotemining). TJ's letter takes around 10min to read in full.
GW did say the LEAST about religion of the FF's - I did not try to claim that he said NOTHING about it.
Do you have any comment on the TJ letter/quote?
bushonomics 1 year ago
@bushonomics : Jefferson was also a slave holder. Great role model, huh.
mandminjapan 1 year ago
@mandminjapan You have to remember something, this was a very different time in US history. His "slaves" loved him, they would do anything for him and felt like family. It was like having a really great job, especially with jefferson because he was wealthy.
wireless4me 1 year ago
@mandminjapan
Sure, and the apostle Paul had previously been an individual who persecuted and killed people - yet his writings have been viewed as the inspired word of god for almost 2000 years.
So let's be fair here - divorce the person from their ideas (as billions of people have done with Paul); what do you think of what Jefferson SAID? Did you read it at all?
bushonomics 1 year ago
@bushonomics: That is why Paul's conversion was so amazing. He was previously Saul... He had to change his name because life had changed so much. I don't think we should divorce the person from their ideas. Ideas come from somewhere, good or bad.
mandminjapan 1 year ago
@mandminjapan
Conversions are always amazing. That is not the point.
Did you, or did you not, read what Jefferson said?
bushonomics 1 year ago
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How odd that one of the most religious nations in the world are so violent. Oh wait its not odd.
Carry on worshipping Jesus you inbred cock sucking bitches.
AthiestIam 2 years ago
You exist because of us. YOUR WELCOME.
girzwald3 2 years ago
we do not start wars or conquer nor we have no empire though we could have
GodsAnswers 2 years ago
Your mom on a butty with a slice a bacon and some mustard you fuckin' rat.
AthiestIam 2 years ago
@Atheistlam
Assuming you're not a troll, you're not helping a debate by being a namecaller. Sheesh; bring up a valid point, or continue to listen & learn while you develop one.
bushonomics 1 year ago
Thanks for correcting a namecaller.
nvsvictor 1 year ago
This video is speculative and contradictory bullshit.
lordalastor99 2 years ago
Do you have refutations with citation to back that up? Or are you just speculating?
girzwald3 2 years ago 2
Nicely said.
nvsvictor 1 year ago
Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?
Then he is not omnipotent
Is he able, but not willing?
Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able, and willing?
Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able, nor willing?
Then why call him God?
-Epicurus, BC 341-270
Even the ancients knew more than you people.
sneeptheelite 2 years ago
honradeus . com/argumentCenter/joomla15/argument-list/5-god-everything-about/12-can-god-be-all-powerful-all-good-all-knowing-and-yet-evil-exists
nvsvictor 2 years ago
interesting, but it leaves the question; why did god create us with the ability to be evil? surely if he had made us all good we would still have free will and the Earth would be a far better place. Why would He then give us the power to be evil and then condemn us to hell for doing so?
sneeptheelite 2 years ago
"surely if he had made us all good we would still have free will "
< That's basically giving us partial freewill, but that's not so valuable compared to complete freewill.
"Why would He then give us the power to be evil and then condemn us to hell for doing so?"
<
honradeus . com/argumentCenter/joomla15/argument-list/18-heaven-and-hell/71-why-would-god-send-his-children-to-hell
nvsvictor 1 year ago
@sneeptheelite He only uses the alternatives that make his view.He has left out the truth
GodsAnswers 2 years ago
@GodsAnswers Read the Bible that still declares the truth Jesus Christ ...instead of quoting people no noe knows and has left nothing of value
GodsAnswers 2 years ago
Our foudning fathers influenced by enlightment ideas from Europe while wars,produced by or related to religion such as the French Revoultion.
I'm a Christian, but I don't believe this myth.
Have you hear of manifeast density?
This idea from God killed many Indians and their homeland because these Christians.
We should be focus on Irseal.
QueenKnightofHearts 2 years ago
To friedie1jeff: You are so tranparent in your comments it's laughable.... as another over-educated liberal voice believing in revisionist history you attack the messenger rather than the message. History is a study of the facts of events as they were, not as you wish they were. They are not up for opposing viewpoint.
guylstephenson 2 years ago
It is not I who believes in revisionist history, nor who does not believe in presenting all of the facts. If your abject ignorance feels poorly, then read some of the scholarly works and papers of the time in question by the founding fathers, and also some later works. Don't be smug in your self-righteous rewrites of history because it feels good. That is not scholarship.
friedie1jeff 2 years ago
There is only one world view that would have brought about the U.S.A.
And that is the Christian world view. The muslin W.V. wouldnt.
The Hindu W.V. wouldnt, and Buddhism wouldnt have.
Its only the Christian world view and thats why you had the freedoms you had until commies and atheist got in to the government and started destroying it from within.
Only a fool would praise the ones who will enslave them.
OOPS4U2CNOW 2 years ago
You wrong.
It is basically human freedoms made American so great.
It wouldn't make sense they put religion in AMerican when they want to escape religious percustion from Europe.
This video is full of flaws.
QueenKnightofHearts 2 years ago
"It is the duty of every man to render to the Creator such homage, and such only, as he believes to be acceptable to him. This duty is precedent both in order of time and degree of obligation, to the claims of Civil Society. Before any man can be considered as a member of Civil Society, he must be considered as a subject of the Governor of the Universe." --James Madison, A Memorial and Remonstrance, 1785
OOPS4U2CNOW 2 years ago
"[R]eligion, or the duty which we owe to our creator, and the manner of discharging it, can be directed only by reason and conviction, not by force or violence; and therefore all men are equally entitled to the free exercise of religion, according to the dictates of conscience; and this is the mutual duty of all to practice Christian forbearance, love, and charity towards each other." --Virginia Bill of Rights, Article 16, 1776
OOPS4U2CNOW 2 years ago
lol. That was back then when many sects of Christianty worship differently of the same God.
It don't talk about Jesus or God, specify.
Do you know the background back then? Madison, Jefferson and Franklin were influneced by John Locke, Voltire, and free market (captialism), not the bible.
Christians need to learn history, not from a pastor who brings myths.
QueenKnightofHearts 2 years ago
What book was used most often in the schooling of children at that time in history?
What was the first act of the newly formed government that dealt with the dispensing of funds?
How did the founding fathers open most of the meetings they attended concerning the constitution
OOPS4U2CNOW 2 years ago
You are right in a way...but also very wrong. They fled Europe because they were fleeing from the Catholic religion which was the state mandated religion. They fled to the new world (via Holland) to be able to worship as they wished. It was all about religion and freedom OF religion - not freedom FROM religion. Religion was the fundation which they built . The freedom to worship God in the way they saw fit and to raise their children in the Word of God. Free from Tyrany of a mandated religion.
mcjj4 2 years ago
If this man was really a scholar, he would advise of the Deism of the rest of the signers. Any REAL historian, or anyone with common sense, will advise that the Founding Fathers were a very mixed lot with respect to religious belief. This man is a fraud. He is pandering to the ignorant.
friedie1jeff 2 years ago
You do realize that the history that Barton teaches IS history, right? You guys act like he's presenting something that isn't true. It's history. And he works from the ORIGINAL DOCUMENTS, so again, he's hard (or shall I say impossible) to refute.
Barton doesn't avoid the Deists at all. Search the word on his website. Why would he MISREPRESENT history by talking more about Deism than is necessary? The scales are NOT equal in history on this issue. The VAST MAJORITY were Christians.
pmiller1967 2 years ago
Even if it were true that the vast majority were Christians, that does not mean that the country was founded on the principles of Christianity. Those with severe insecurities would like to think so, but reading the documents and letters of the era would lead one to far different conclusions.
friedie1jeff 2 years ago
Does it make logical sense for a vastly devout religious community to make laws and establish a new nation that is without their core beliefs? No. That's utterly ridiculous and unfounded in any nation in history. But because it's unpopular today to consider America as a nation founded upon one particular religion, we imagine the ridiculous.
And your severely wrong about the founding documents and letters. They are FULL of Christianity. Read the Declaration of Independence, for example.
pmiller1967 2 years ago
I'm just curious, can you give us an example of some of the founding letters and documents that you're talking about that would lead us to a conclusion other than that America was founded upon Christianity?
pmiller1967 2 years ago
Sure. I will submit to you a list when some time opens up for me next week. You can start out by reading some Thomas Paine, and also the Constitution itself. Meanwhile, understand that only some of the founding fathers' and their contemporaries were devout Christians. Alexander Hamilton was one of them. There were other devoutly religious people, but not Christians, such as Jefferson and Washington, and atheists as well. Do not confuse "devoutly religious" with "Christian".
friedie1jeff 2 years ago
Thomas Paine wrote one good work, "Common Sense." Ben Franklin told him to burn "The Age of Reason," but he didn't listen. He died in infamy with six people, none friends or loved ones, attending his funeral. He's not exactly a model of the Founding Fathers.
Would you please post the Atheist Founders? You might be able to claim Paine, but you see the outcome of that. MOST of the Founders were devout Christians.
pmiller1967 2 years ago
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Why are Americans so fucking gullible and so up for believing this god nonsence.
Blongers1 2 years ago
Once again, no refutation of Barton's fact by the naysayers. He's pretty hard to refute. Excellent stuff. Too bad there is no interest in American any longer for factual history. It's sad, but true.
pmiller1967 2 years ago
Refutation of Barton is simple. He is hard to refute only by people who have not done their homework. He panders to the ignorant.
friedie1jeff 2 years ago
Well, I'm a high school US History teacher, so I'm not one of your ignorant or undereducated examples. And I say he's right at every turn.
Please tell us your knowledge of history.
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