A close up of bad rail at Schwab Road

[milllibillli]

Man kann sich das einfach nicht vorstellen das soetwas noch funktioniert.In Amerika sind die Achslasten ja weitaus höher als bei uns in Europa.Das Gleismaterial scheint noch aus der Zeit um 1880 zu sein,Da sag nochmal jemand das Eisenbahnen nicht wirtschaftlich sind.Der Beweis ist hiermit erbracht,die Eisenbahn ist das beste Transportsystem zu Lande!!!

[thetrainman08]

Thats csx for ya, i havent seen any norfolk southern tracks do that, but ive seen plenty of csx tracks do that for myself.

[1xsooliner]

imagine 40 miles of this!!! i had to try to deal with a railroad running over 40 miles of this with methanol alchohol racing fuel!!!!

[pelado74]

- ¡¡¡uhhh!!! ¡¡¡Está hecho bolsaaa!!!

[DePuica]

i would tighten a screw there in the missing hole. Don't want the train to fall down near my house. Especially when it is carrying inflamable liquids.

[Boss302fan]

@DePuica good point! What would be worse is if the train were carrying flammable liquids!

[Elodea]

I'll "call" your Bethlehem Branch and "raise" you the Homestead Branch (Miami Sub)

[itsjustmattie]

I go over rails like that all the time. Overtime when we go on the ground. No big deal at 10mph.

[94Princesi]

Must repair the tracks not tighten

[simonspics1]

Wow! 

[bcherbs]

The thumbs down was from Jeffery Hobbart, aka "the bad tie guy"

[Volkswagen87]

ties are shot and joints bolts are loose..rails fine

[Supdude180]

@TheCleaner001 this is a small out of date shortline so the rail road company dont care.

[Boss302fan]

@Supdude180 seriously. They "dont care"? Actually the typical short line operator cares greatly.

[Supdude180]

@Boss302fan OK he "doesn't care". If he cares then he would fix this terrible mess. And I thought my model railroad and the tracks behind our house were bad. HINT HINT...

[Boss302fan]

@Supdude180 Oh. A railfan. Now I understand. You are comparing the challenges associated with running a low revenue branch line with the complexities of bad track on an HO layout. Got it. Enough said. No need trying to explain this to you.

[shininghappyperson7]

woah,that is amazing,not one thing derailed......im in shock.the way that rail flew in the air everytime a car went over the leading joint

[MrLehnerd]

Its been 5 years ago this been one here any new videos now in 2011

[noele10]

wherers track walker on night work?

[ilrailfan]

@charlieb640 Well not the one im on we have bad track but dang...

[amtrc]

this is what happens when they cut of the gandy dancer crews to inspect tracks

[radanju1]

HHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHAAAAAAAAAAaaa­aw, SHIT!!!!!!! OMG!!!!!!! WAT WAS THAT!!!!!!!??

[christopher9030]

The FRA should inspect that line.

[ANDREWWALLFORD123]

What’s could be kill that train of the carriage cars! Should calling for operating needs replacing railtrack with new ones, because of track badly damage of line. And then will safety checks railtrack make sure rail-line are smoothing & rail testing, before re-start operating as normal.

[NYSW3636]

and csx wonders why they have wrecks

[kennethrobinson11231]

What's wrong with, it works doesn't. that good for CSX.

[sacrifcialgoat]

if it still works it aint broken

[smartassstevie]

that's a potential call out for overtime when it hits the ground.

[JBofBrisbane]

Bad rail, bad fishplate bolts, bad dogspikes, probably bad sleepers (crossties)... What the heck, BAD EVERYTHING except the train itself! Needs a complete relay.

[Backyard76]

not to be alarmed....

The train speed is low, if the rails separate, it will stop fairly quick.

Remember that the force, is downward on this tangent...

But then, there is an 800 number on the crossing gates, with a crosing number, you can politely call this in as a visual observation from the grade crossing.

[arlingtontrains7]

weld that joint and give it sum new ties and spikes!!!

[colliecandle]

I can't believe any driver could not see that defect if not feel it! Is this company so close to forclosure it can't even carry out essential maintainance???

[cvrnut09]

just swinging rail. All you gotta do is pull the spikes, plug the holes, respike, then raise and at least seven ties

[wurft]

o.O well, that can't be good.

[kmothersil]

This track is bad, but not as worse as Penn Central.

[MrThisIsMeToo]

@charlieb640 Wow you do consulting on railroads. Does bragging about what you do make you feel like a bigger man:? I sure hope so as it sounds like you need it.

[cooldit1]

Rail worker: "Oh let me just buff this out."

[shadowknight227]

wonder what horn that is

[sandytremps]

Call out the tie gang.

[macdogq]

Too close to a lose rail! Absolutly crazy!

[cumminsdiesel1234567]

cant believe the railroad would continue to let trains run over this with the rail being loose of the ties.

[Boss302fan]

@TheCleaner001 Oh Christ. Hate to sound stereotypical, but just like someone from the UK to write this.

Mr. Cleaner hails from a country running limited rail mileage hauling light tonnage and he throws a UK snobbish response out there. "Even their "Track workers" have to much work-pride". LOL

Wake up. Russia, China, Brazil, Argentina, US, Mexico, Canada and others run incredible mileage with heavy tonnage across challenging terrain. It can't be English perfect all the time.

[pwalpar]

Looks like a need for some spikes and bolts and new timbers LoL

[arlingtontrains7]

god dang.. im suprised there wasent a deraiment

[mmikeironhorse]

uhh time to fix it

[UFOterror]

american....

[TruckerSF]

Könnte Vusch sein oder es ist zeit mal die Strecke in Stand zu setzten

[fivefingerbp98]

csx better get their heads out of their ass and fix this shit!

[dkslfjgh]

Oh, that cannot be safe

[dkslfjgh]

Oh, that cannot be safe

[doubleslottedflaps]

it looks like my ....... when its ........ !

[soyelchechu]

que mal esta eso!!!!!

[ccoraxfan]

Rail looks fine to me. Throw in some new ties and a bolt and you're as good as new again.

[Tornado8603]

Your technical inclination means that you should found a merit for technical illiterates.

[RailMachanic1]

Good greaf! some one needs to see if there was a derailment in that area after this video was takin.

[TEMPLE7D]

CSX-- IM NOT SUPRISED

[09niceboy]

beautiful 5*

[DRIVERX51]

That ant is laughing its ass off

[TBoy205]

LOOOOL That would be me!! xD

[railfelton]

its not as bad as it looks, as long as there arnt any fast trains with side to side motion then it wont derail anytime soon

[goofyone6721332004]

it looks like the joint isn't tightened to me, and that could cause a derailment.

[Muggar62]

Without stating the obvious - how dangerous are we talking here?

[Boss302fan]

Well, obviously there's some serious track defects going on here. On branchlines or industrial sidings this happens and eventually the problems, when detected, are repaired.

How dangerous? At the speed shown in this video if the train did derail...it would just be a pain in the ass. You make temporary repairs to the tracks and pull the cars back up.

[ilrailfan]

With all due respect but why would you put your camera that close to that kind of track? Great Video by the way.

[oaksmodelrr]

It is actually zoomed in from several feet away, and was my 15 yr old VHS camera that was nearing retirement.

[ilrailfan]

O very good. Thank you.

[yambo59]

You think thats bad, wait till the express comes through-!!

[kyatisback12]

Oh my god you can't imagine that here in Germany!!! O_o

[mpracing4]

This seems to be Class I track, judging by the speed of the train. My FRA Track Inspectors Handbook states that there must be at least two bolts per rail in all classes, not including excepted track. A few ties and maybe tamp the low joint would pretty much fix the problem.

[manidig]

Seems like a couple of new ties and some ballast should fix that. It's 2009 now. Did they?

[weeardguy]

@ charlieb640: it's not really a guess, more a opinion on what I see: I have to be honest that my opinion is mainly based on the regulations here in the Netherlands: this track-condition wouldn't be allowed: nowhere.. so no, I'm not an experienced railroader.

[weeardguy]

@ Charlieb640: that's not completely true: in Germany there are many private freight companies, I don't know exactly how DB Schenker (what, to my knowledge, was the freight operator that used to be in the hands of the government, but is now private) operates, but this state of track would certainly not be accepted: the heaviest trains I know of in Germany reach 6000 tons...

[weeardguy]

@ Zwiebelauge: same thing would happen here in the Netherlands... to me the speed seems fairly high for such bad track condition.

[labhunter1]

I am really surprised a class 1 lick CSX would let that go! That is what the track looked like in the 80s!

[1225dude]

CSX at her finest.

[okzoia]

That section of track is one bolt away from disaster! Maybe some of Obama's stimulus money will help this out!!

[megatwingo]

5*****

[JoeRailfan]

Good Lord. Shades of the Penn Central, or the old MKT (which once supposedly had a derailment of a standing train).  No wonder the RR cops don't want railfan photographers around the property anymore!

[Gandalfkun]

Born to be Wild! Ohhj e:D And I thought the hungaryan rails are bad.

[moon47mars]

Oh my God!!! I'm surprised that train didn't derail!!!!!!!!!!!!

[55098]

This must only be a branch line so maintenance is poor or they just dont care.

[sabeegigant]

As I could count it, 84 axles :) 2 locs and 38 wagons? :) Last wagons were longer ones.

[dogterd]

I once witnessed a worksite near miss where the foreman incorrectly read his train line up and instructed us to pull all the spikes out for about 150 yards of track so we could adjust the guage... when a fully loaded grain train came around the corner.... we dropped our shit and ran for it. amazingly the train did not derail... because it was a straight piece of track. If that had been on a curve... it surely would have derailed. I'll never forget that one.

[Neonspinnazz30]

Wow, imagine if there was a fast moving commuter train going over that.

Good thing that engineer took it slow!

[acelafan123]

thats not good

[buressi]

that's not a safety track! :-D

[moosanova]

This is how Flat Spots are formed.... Where the fuck is the oversight when this shit happens???

Hope this wasn't a union job???

[Boss302fan]

uh. no. THis is NOT how flat spots are formed. LOL.

Flat spots are formed by stuck or dragging brakes. Period.

This is how derailments occur.

[KawasakiPlant]

Damn....That thing is going to break....

[Rts4108]

I think its been fixed sad how slow the speed limit is.

[anonymvs0815]

looks like an french high speed track (tgv).

french ingeneurs can´t build railroads...

[TheGondorian]

like americans cant?

[anonymvs0815]

no, they can´t. americans can even less. they're stupid than the rest of the world.

[TheGondorian]

if they would builld such bad track, how come that the tgv doesnt derail and can go 200mph?!?!

[anonymvs0815]

Sorry, I did not want to sink to your level, but please speak with someone who's your low educational standard. Thank you.

[russell379x]

did they even use Ties there lol geeze and to think i sub contract for them

[monkeyonatable]

Is it just me, or does CSX have some of the worst rails (when it comes to bad rails) for a major RR?

[jose5382]

well some how they are making moneyyyy

[koppadasao]

That track aren't fit to hold a Z-scale train, and you crazy money hungry Americans runs real 1:1-scale train on it???

In Europe that track would have been scraped 15 years ago, and if, IF, someone tried to drive a train on it, they would have been "shot" and hang to dry, and never released from prison.

American railroad are more than 100 years behind European railroad.

[trainiax]

Time for a reality check. While I agree that it's terrible track in this case, it's ludicrous to assume that all track in North America is like that.

And if European rail lines are ahead of those of North America in some respects, they are not superior in every way--witness the horrid capacity and cost issues associated with outdated link-and-pin couplers, and the widespread purchasing of American (Canadian-built) locomotives from EMD, like the Class 66, for use in European freight service.

[koppadasao]

Link and pin couplers? I guess you really are a century out of touch. Link and pin was exchanged for screw couplings on normal and broad gauge lines and meat choppers on narrow gauge, except for industrial railroads, about 1850.

[trainiax]

That was a typo on my part; screw couplings were what I was referring to. It does not nullify my points.

[koppadasao]

Screw couplings are safe enough. While Janney couplings need to be hard coupled, screw coupling are soft coupled. While Janneys are somewhat safer while coupling, they are a nuisance for sleeping passengers on a night train. But Janneys have their problems too. They are prone to breakage and derailments if not driven carefully. Screw couplings doesn't have those problems.

[trainiax]

"nuisance for sleeping passengers..."

Tightlock knuckle couplers (used since the 1950s) eliminate slack action completely but are still compatible with standard ones.

"prone to breakage..."

Knuckle couplers break when there's strong slack action and a weak knuckle on a 15,000 ton train. Try using screw couplings with that kind of load to begin with. Slack action is necessary to get such a load moving.

[gearedsteam12]

Eurotrash.........you gotta love em.

[Boss302fan]

Actually American railroad haul more tonnage by far than all European railroads combined. And they do it without subsidies from the governments.

I just spent two months in Europe as a consultant trying to teach you guys how to move freight like we do. LOL.

You do move people quickly. And you do move freight at high speeds. But nowhere near the tonnage that the railroads in Canada, US or Mexico.

[AMTKnumber4]

Work order anyone???? I would be ashamed.

[lexmarks567]

im guessing that sense there going slow the FRA has classified this track as a class 1 so they have to go slow or fix it.

[jschmid]

needs new ties/spikes call the railroad.

[zachford111]

needs wood on it to hold it down

[jmehl77]

If it ain't broke why fix it, the model of csx, let's wait till it actually breaks, or someone get's hurt

[killman369547]

someone should fix that

[RANDY2045]

i heard csx has bad track

[mrdodododo]

look like the tracks are humping the gravel XD

[decline2state]

I'm sure it's just the angle, but it looks like the rails are just lying directly on the ballast, not on sleepers.

[dylanvieytes]

it's sitting on sleepers it's just they are not holding down the track any more. if you look closely you can see the RR spikes jumping up and down with the track. you could probably just walk up and pull them out with 1 finger.

Also if i saw track that bad i would make shore I'm 1 train car hight + away from the out side rail in case the rail decided to turn over with the train cars following.

[ibook133]

That makes me worried.

[wildfire19861987]

it doesn't matter what the speed is. if that's the main track that's gotta be fixed. sooner or later the rails will problay spread enough to put the next train on the ground. if i saw that i'd be calling the RR asap

[youbite1]

Norflok Southern wouldnt let that happen

[FamousNateNat138]

Welcome to CSXT! Where safety is our #1 Priority!(can someone say.........bullshit?)

[sephdark471]

Lack of MOW. CSX for ya.

[Sher481]

Could'nt you see a well car get stuck in that!

[kdlehel]

still is open that railroad? here this kind of track is not acceptable. UIC Order.

[zackjp]

ive seen a couple of those here and there

[jm0lesky]

Looks like it's time to replace those ties.

[kelbym07]

I hope they did that when they fixed the rail. If you get the track doing that, it's going to destroy ties.

[RRYankfan]

one time in fostoria a coke express train came by and it was hittin the dimonds so hard that ballast was flying all over the place

[kelbym07]

plz tell me this was in a restricted speed zone unbelieveable

[odale1606]

the track inspectors have to do a fra yard inspection. they shouldve known.

[VColombelli]

WOW!!

[KevinCulla9]

wow thats bad!

[dwain1310]

sad to say that this is actually common on lots of railroads, especially yard and transfer tracks, the rail works up & down and cuts the ties until there is no tie left and the rail just flops around, they will fix it, after the eventual derail.

[odale1606]

only one bolt surprisingly worked out of the joint.

[odale1606]

How hard is it for some one to spike ties back up and tamp?

[55098]

omg that is the worst i've ever seen god if that let go

[rennems]

Someone please give me a "YouTube Slap" to unfreeze my lower jaw so my mouth will close back. That was crazy. Nice Camera work oaksmodelrr on all of your Videos.

[oaksmodelrr]

I didn't have to call anyone because MOW personnel were working on a new switch not 50 feet from the spot. As well as telling the MOW guys, I also told the local crew about it, who dutifully passed it on to the people in charge. It was not until the video showed up on the internet a month later and someone down in Jacksonville reportedly saw it that it was repaired.

[MMMMMDIESEL]

thats exactly what i was thinking?!

[KSE828]

Wow that's uncomfortable to watch...I keep thinking a wheel will slip off and hit the camera or something. "Bad rail" is a hell of an understatement.

[skarkot]

thats a derailment waiting to happpen!

[druidess76]

Bleah thats nothing...try rollin over it at 49mph.Its the crew's fault when we derail.All hail the florence division

[norfolkdash9]

Florence, KY?

[SkyhawkACE123]

thats CSXs' MOW for you.......lol

[grvolans]

looked like conrail-owned tracks

[gr8immi]

ohh! i hope passenger trains not allowed on

this line.

[railfanalways]

I was waiting for the weight of the cars to snap the remaining bolts. Have you been back there to see if it is fixed yet?  That is bad you are just lucky your camera was not squished during a derail.

[oaksmodelrr]

Believe me, I was no where near that camera when the train was passing. They have fixed it to an extent, but the whole line needs a lot of work. They brought up 3000 ties for replacement earlier this year, but they need 4x that, and then did not even get to all the 3000 they had before the gang was sent elsewhere. Funny thing was that a couple days after they left, the engines derailed on a siding, and the old ties where it happened were marked for replacement with orange fluorescent paint.

[massltca]

That's a derailment waiting to happen.

[furryfurball1221]

CSX needs help NOW!

[minisprints600]

Well, there's your most LAZY railroad company in the U.S.

[BoxcarFrank]

Wow CSX Sucks. No wonder they have so many derailments.

[ninemikesmike]

you should've walked a little further, i bet you would've found another

[hograil7416]

*cough*cough* that might be a problem*cough*

[ramawson]

scary!!

[trainutjob]

those CSX people are so rude to those who take video.

[facksakes]

oh my god i have never seen anything like that in all my railroad years i hope they fixed that thats not good

[fireicefalcon2]

ok im no expert on this but i think THAT SHOULD NOT POP UP LIKE THAT!! i mean wtf

[ReneeBo]

Did the spikes come out of the ties?

[MNRRConductor2006]

If anyone here reads Railway Age, it had been noted a few months ago that CSX was under heavy scrutiny by the FRA due to its record of shoddy track maintenance. Whomever took this video should forward this to CSX RIGHT AWAY!! Or else there will be a serious derailment. This will also show the railroads that railfans trackside can be true assets!! Forward this to CSX!!

[Hiei2k7]

Nah, Forward it to the FRA and the NTSB, and THEN forward it to CSX, stating "This has also been sent to the FRA and NTSB, and they should contact you within the next week"

[oaksmodelrr]

I first noticed this in December 2005 and told the crew of the local that works the branch and also the track crew that was installing a new switch on the other side of the crossing. When I saw it was still not fixed in January, I put the clips on the net and then the fun began. I was told that it got around to someone in Jacksonville and the local road foreman got chewed out for it.

[oaksmodelrr]

It was fixed shortly after.

Of course, the local road foreman decided the person responsible for his predicament was ME and I was told that he has been gunning for me ever since, hoping to catch me on the property so I can be arrested.

[Hiei2k7]

Tell CSX that you've been threatened. He'll be as good as Unemployed in a week or less.

[MNRRConductor2006]

True!! Most corporations don't take kindly to those things, especially if it is directed towards someone who actually helped out in preventing a major incident from happening eventually. Good job for reporting!!

[MNRRConductor2006]

Guess he is mad that now he has to get up off his a** and do some work!! lol

[lexmarks567]

like said tell CSX your life was threatend for reporting a bad rail and if they ignore you go to the police and press charges

[MNRRConductor2006]

Never thought of that!! But usually I believe in letting the corporation itself remedy the issue, then if it is not remedied, then let the boys in D.C. know!! But either way, you shake the tree some, the monkeys come tumbling out, and hopefully after they tumble out, they will get to work and fix this, and maybe keep it from happening again.

[hotpinkemo]

would neva get away with tht in england

[Trainsmaster]

Holly shit!! If I was filming that I would get as far away as possible so if the train derailed it wouldn't kill me!!!

[extrasouth]

Quality in Motion

[mafarnz]

PSH!!! 90 lb is nothing. There are rail lines up in northern Idaho and eastern Washington, the old NP P&L line and the WI&M, that have 70 and even 60 lb rail with the original ties from the early 1900's. Now theres some crapy track.