Video Card Shopping Tips: Why Memory and Clock Speeds Don't Matter NCIX Tech Tips

[ShakrallStudios]

So I want to play Skyrim with the 2k texture pack, which is EXTREMELY high resolution and computer demanding, so I don't know if I should go with a 2gb or 1gb GTX 560

[dnbmania]

@ShakrallStudios 2gb to hold all the textures, skyrim coded isn't too well either :/ it would be sensible to download a unofficial performance boosting pack.

[iinadir]

how to buy the right one and u have money :) ?

just buy the lastest ...

[HolyNiko]

Whats with the ending? xD

[Ikoniikk]

ok i know gtx 580 is what i want but realisticly is it better to go with 2 gtx 560 for the bang for my buck factor btw im building an X79 platform with the i7 3820 32gb of corsair domniator (blue heat sink) 1333mhz and 2 120gb intel elm crest ssd raid 0 help me out here im stuck please

[dnbmania]

@Ikoniikk Both cards will be very good, the 560's will out perform the 580 however different programs and games will respond differently to the SLI configuration.

[PsiloCybinDreamX]

cool but he didnt explain why the 430 performed so much crappier, he kinda skipped the most important part

[Ehhzor]

thx, helped me alot! <3

[warxfanatic]

iused to look at how many GB/s and amount of memmery xD

[JEHERETIC]

gtx 550 is basically an ole gtx 260!! look at specs yo, nvidia does this crap reuse old making it seem new... 8800gt-9800gt-250gs ect same stuff diff name lil different nm and clock speeds

[JEHERETIC]

You have to look at stream processors as well.... Hello not one mention here on that ....

[ShakrallStudios]

So I wanna run skyrim with the 2k texture pack which is extremely amazing and video card intensive, how much gddr5 memory should i have?

[MrFiasco7]

@ShakrallStudios For the games of today and the future, aim for 1.5 or above if you want.

[ShakrallStudios]

@MrFiasco7 alright thanks!

[CQModels]

hardwarecanucks

[crashproof]

this is what Im telling to those guyz who are just basing it on memory and clock speed

[stylefreaks]

I find his voice annoying as hell

[OpenMindedCynic]

"Today.. I ..was.. inspired.." . . . Sure Linus.

[TheAnonymousCunt]

Linus uses Firefox, my respect for you went up by 29.31%.

[cowsrcool04]

hey wana send me $500 u seem to have plenty of money considering the shit you buy

[pufixas]

@cowsrcool04

Most retarded comment ever.

Get a job, hobo.

If you have more money/food than kids in Africa then why don't you send money for them?!

[TheMastaGlazy]

@cowsrcool04 You do know this is his job right...? the whole channel is owned by the company he works...

[cowsrcool04]

@TheMastaGlazy i am aware and you cannot get a much better job than this. I would still really love $500 for a new laptop though

[henols22]

At overclockers.co.uk there was a post that a gtx 560 ti 2 gb doubled the max framerate in bf3 (1920x1080 at Ultra settings)

[Flykid04]

@henols22 the more memory the card has the faster it can load more textures, for instance if u take 2 same video cards:

1. GTX 560 Ti 1Gb @2560x1600

2. GTX 560 Ti 2Gb<----------------------@256­0x1600 This card will perform better at higher resolutions because theres more memory to load up all those textures. Also FYI 2Gb cards are better for multi-monitor gaming & HDTV's.

IM Pretty sure im right. xD

[henols22]

@Flykid04 You did obviously not get the point. Most people say that 1 GB is ENOUGH for 1920x1080, however the same card with a 2 GB framebuffer increased the maximum framerate to double the amount of the fps of the 1 GB card. It just proves that battlefield 3 takes up a lot of memory.

[Ralle1The1King]

Then you have to think of all the streamprocessors and the busswidth!

[neweggemployee]

Fuck Canada.

[krisisbob]

@neweggemployee umad?

[jinxedmodder]

In short, don't compare GPU clock speeds, and you only need >1GB of memory on a video card for either a single 2560x1600 monitor or multiple monitors at any resolution.

[dnfrookie03]

tnx i learned a lot!

[dd410]

I have Radeon 1GB 6850 and i use my PC only to browse web and programming games. I just like to know my PC is "good".

[AniAddictDaisuken]

Thats why I love my HD4770!

[MrJouleJr]

Can you please please please make a video about gpu rendering and which card is the best for let's say After Effects rendering and maybe different price ranges. Thank you ;)

[tomsimon080]

@NCIXcom Linus i really like your saying, u r right I will like u said!!

[shshankking]

Is ATI Sapphire HD 6570 1GB DDR3 good?

[hitmanino81]

@shshankking not for gaming,get a HD6850

[Sandolechi]

Why would anyone test his video card on Crysis?

[CaptainPancaakes]

@Sandolechi Because Crysis blows up computers...

[Sandolechi]

@CaptainPancaakes Then it is not a good idea to test your new expensive video card on that game :)

[Nightmare1066]

Dummy guide for buying a GPU. Really? Who needs this?

[jurassic512]

i had some gimp reply to me in youtube comments saying computer hardware reviewers are bias.  i always laugh when i hear that. already tells me that person knows NOTHING about computer hardware. he tried to tell me a 2500K wouldn't CRUSH his AMD 8120, because reviews were bias. i gave him some news articles to read and i haven't heard back. LMAO. noobs slay me. you're only noob if you're happy being one.

[jasontvnd]

@jurassic512 theres lots of AMD guys out there who refuse to acknowledge that compared to sandy bridge bulldozer is a pile of crap.

[JohnDieselD]

@jasontvnd Bulldozer's performance can be compared to 4 year old LGA775 processors... and it will still lose.

[SchwarzRitter560]

I knew this but there are people who don't believe me on this. I'll definitely show them this!!

[BassPounderX]

is it me or dose the orange card have broken fans

[linkinparkVStatu]

nnananannannnnnnnannoooooo it does not go to your hard drive it goes to the ram on the motherboard and renders the image there!@!

[MICHAELZHANG1997]

they don't sell graphics cards at best buy

[yousefALyazedi]

@MICHAELZHANG1997 they do

[TheHBO114]

@MICHAELZHANG1997 Lol yes they do.

[Darklogix]

I have a question if someone can tell me... Im stuck in choosing between a gtx 560 ti superclocked 1gb or a gtx 560 superclocked 2gb.. btw the gtx 560 is about 40 bucks more expensive than the 1gb ti.

[bradwibbs18]

@Darklogix Look up benchmarks for both and compare.

[TheHBO114]

@Darklogix Get the 560 Ti. It's significantly better than the 560.

[themanofram]

have they got a budget pc video? if not make one if so show me the video!

[fatsally93]

@themanofram look for good enough gaming on either this channel or linustechtips. Linus build a PC for $500!

[themanofram]

@fatsally93 A gaming one?

[nerdyrcdriver]

@themanofram yes, it is his "good enough gaming pc" video. He has one from like 2007 and one from 2011. So watch the right one.

[tore1992]

7:54

[MegaBIkerjoe]

from 6:58 to the end the video is awesome

[Morder269]

1,25gb is the recommended VRAM for full hd gaming.

[YouEatMyDust]

@Morder269 not if you use 3 monitors

[MM360X]

see the last second of the video 7:55

[ioefhsof25913]

i actually didn't know that thanks a lot

[yatdal]

lol empty video at end :P

[Rowsol84]

@chkdsa as real as your momma's tits

[DrSlough]

f x?

well 5 times 0 is 0

your argument is invalid

[irmissslive]

I have AMD Phenom II X4 965 can it keep up with ati 7950?

[akhilfastgamer]

i wanted to know that due to increase in stream processors and bus width increase the performence of the gpu

for example : gtx 590 have 1024 streame processors and 768-bit it is the best for nvidia  hd 6970 having 1536 stream processors and 256-bit it is the one of the best in ati replay me......

[TherandusGaming]

@akhilfastgamer im not linus but i would say the 590 would be better for the 768-bit, the stream processors difference wouldnt really affect it but the main thing is that the 590 is Dual GPU so a lot more power, unless of course you want to compare it with the 6990 which is AMD's dual GPU card :)

[Decalto35]

alot of my friends think that graphics memory is important. personally i found out that that was complete bullshit when i upgraded from a gt 440 to a gtx 560. Both 1gb and dx 11 cards. But a hell lot of difference in performance.go google gpureview and you can check and compare the specs of graphic cards on the site

[TalesOfWar]

@Decalto35 If you really aren't seeing the difference then stick it back on stock. At the very least it'll run a little cooler and in theory last you longer.

[Decalto35]

i have a gtx 560 and i oc the core clock to 950mhz. It's stock is 850. and i oc the memory to 4540 mhz. The stock memory is 4200mhz. I dont really seem to get alot of performance increase. Should i just stick to clock speeds? If u need to know, i am using a 1090t at 3.6ghz and 8gb ddr3 1600mhz ram.

[TherandusGaming]

@Decalto35 sometimes overclocked (ram specifically) can decrease performance, and especially for ram i would recommend stock speed so it has stability, last longer and also performs at its designed rate, as that much more ram makes hardly any difference :)

[Decalto35]

@TherandusGaming may i know if u are referring to the ram in my graphics card or the ddr3 ram

[keyzin]

@Decalto35 graphic card has ddr3 and gddr5 vram... im sure that what he mean ...gddr5 process faster = faster graphic card compare to normal dd3 memory graphic card ...

[acid9757]

so for gaming in 720p or 1080p on a single monitor any GPU memory above 1 GB is a waste ?

[50LightSabersInAPack]

Dang lol I thought you would be going into texture fill rate and shader processors etc :P

[ThreeeAngles]

lol Why is it a black-screen for like a minute in the ending? xD

[abuseddoughboy]

there is a good site were you can compare cpu's video card's and other things and it shows fps in certain games its called anandtech. check it out its pretty cool

[epickidd95123]

7:52

Wait for it.



[frazzer316]

yea video RAM did not make a different until Battlefield 3 happened

[vkorchnoifan]

I would like to buy a video card that can run with no problems RAGE, BF3, Alliance of Vilant Arms and the next 5 years of hi end games. Can anyone recommend one ?

[frazzer316]

@vkorchnoifan amd 6990 at the moment or amd 7970 crossfire or Nvidia 580 sli that wil kep u runing for years. or wait for 7990.

[SuperGoldenstick]

@vkorchnoifan A gtx 580, gtx590, radeon 6950, 6970, or a 7970.

[wiilillad]

@SuperGoldenstick EVGA GTX 590 Hydro Copper in Quad SLI

[iShawnMichaels]

@vkorchnoifan nothing would last 5 years

[keithmonsta]

@iShawnMichaels you mean 1 year...5 years is way to long, that's like dog life

[bbvproductions]

I have a 460 se, seeing as im playing BF3 online with high settings comfortably at 1920x1080, the card holds up really well

[jeff9559]

@bbvproductions the 460 is a beast for its price

[bbvproductions]

@jeff9559 It really is, but it's about time to upgrade with the new generation coming in

[Ca1l0fDuty]

My Dream for getting this kind of job :)

[classyaddy]

but wouldnt it be like obvious that gt 430 is worse than gtx 560 like the gtx is newer and has more cores aand is dearer :L

[DainnCrowley2000]

i have a 9400gt IT SUCKS

[javelinxd44]

what's with the end. almost a minute of black then 2 seconds of him looking at his phone

[SupaPichu]

lol i have a gt 430

[billgatesjr1109]

I have a GT 210 :(

[timpos546]

@billgatesjr1109 Me to :) But mine is fanless so i cant barely play any games at all :(

[billgatesjr1109]

@timpos546 Mine is to, is it the Zotac Model? Fans shouldn't have anything to do with playing games.

[timpos546]

@billgatesjr1109 Nope it's from gigabyte

[CallMeMasterBabo]

Linus, where can i buy that testing bank? would be pretty easy for myself to change parts than, or what do you recomment for a good price.

[Blaz3aTrail420]

the people at best buy for the most part are stupid when it comes to things like this i would make a great teak guy for best buy

[Nyllet1221]

your reviews and stuff made me buy a gtx 560 ti twin frozr ii! cant be more satisfied when im playing eg. metro 2033 on 2048x1152 at max, vs my old hd 4850 that could barely play it at medium.

[daniellandgrens]

200 dollar for 560 card for nearly one year ago.

Shouldnt they go down in price?

They have more or less same price today. :-(

[I3loodhawk]

@daniellandgrens the truth is, graphics cards dont drop in price, they get discontineud...



[thereddog223]

Actually they started out over 250 and they have only recently dropped to 200

[DBSpy1]

hardware?.com

[evilelephants]

@DBSpy1 hardwarecanucks(.)com

[DBSpy1]

@evilelephants  TY.

[DBSpy1]

Whats memory for,I don't remember?

[Faustvxii]

I would NEVER say the word never

[TonyKartDriver]

i love the part at 6:58

[PeaceWalkerify]

What did he say at the End of the video??..

[MrAlways420time]

Nice video , good tips

[4znKnyt3]

Nice script holding place xD

[biker202]

Where can I get this kind of platform pc case??? Please send me a message with the answer to biker202@hotmail.com

[Conntick]

@biker202 frozencpu-com sells a variety of "Test Benches". Also try googling Dimastech.

[Digikid2007]

HardwareCanucks. Good site...shitty staff. *Arinoth*

[dabomb1357]

gpureview (dot) com is awesome for comparison

[xxvladekxx]

Linus is a fucking legend,

[LinusPlayZ]

@xxvladekxx thx 

[goldenmage]

Or you could just go to GPUReview and compare the pixel and texture fill rates.

[Justinba1010]

@NCIXcom Did you ever try the Pandaboard-ES? It really is worth a try, its the last 32 bit processor made for computing by TI. Instead of x86 it uses ARM. So since its less commands in the assembly, less pipelining, means faster, more-cores, and very little energy. We will just wait for Windows8 and we should be fine. So try it out, its really worth it, if you are willing to wait for Windows 8. We have to wait for Windows8 for SATA and DDR3/4 support, so it will just take time.

[Armaangandevia1]

Linus what gpu do you recommend for a i7 2600k 4gb ram etc for mw3 and gta iv at mid range?

[lizedine]

@Armaangandevia1 msi gtx 560 ti twin frozr ii oc

[xUdachii]

@Armaangandevia1 yeaha 550 sli

[Sekair]

So clock speed isn't important? because my "Windows Performance" went down 0.5 points when I returned my glitched up GALAXY - NVidia GeForce GT 520 and the only difference appears to be clock speed. I got an XFX AMD HD 6470 or something, the box doesn't quite say what it is (bought from BestBuy) but it has the 1GB VRAM

[imtihanahmed]

@Sekair they are not the same model, so they dont have the same processor architecture. Therefore, you can't compare performance based on the clock speed. See manufacturers dont tell you the processor design, but they are not the same inside, so to speak.

[Jlowe258]

I would NEVER by Pc parts from Best Buy.

[ganaschico]

@Jlowe258 who the hell buys computer parts from best buy??

[4znKnyt3]

@Jlowe258 Who would?

[TheAcesniper]

@Jlowe258 I would NEVER spell buy by.

[Jlowe258]

@TheAcesniper Not sure what you mean by that...



[TheAcesniper]

@Jlowe258 You spelled the would "buy" "by" you said "I would NEVER by Pc parts from Best Buy."

[Jlowe258]

@TheAcesniper I would never crawl the internet looking to nitpick some random person's misstyping

.

[dilzo999]

@Jlowe258 Dumbass...

[brando11ist]

This helped alot thanks

[SolisTechandGameplay]

Who buys Graphics Cards at Bestbuy? Best Buy would be my last resort.

[C4ptKrunch]

@SolisTechandGameplay He works for ncix so i think he was trying to rip on bestbuy

[40ozDiRtYHaRrY40oz]

haha corny ending but thanks linus for the tips !!!!!!!!!!

[TheNonConformative]

I ordered a HD 5750 with 512MB GDDR5 RAM today. Was that a mistake? Should I have gone for the 1GB version? I play at 1920x1080 max. I dont need 8xAA. 2xAA would be fine with me.

Anyone got experience with this card? Whats the games that will definately need more than 1GB of Ram for the graphics card?

[skaterdude1998]

@TheNonConformative shouldve gotten 1 gig version

[hammbone852]

@TheNonConformative I would say so. But i'm also waiting till Nvidia comes out with there dual GPU Flagship Kepler cards and i'm getting 2 of them and another Kepler card for Physx. Saving up money now for a beast ass computer!

[jackiecrane57]

@TheNonConformative actually, I happen to have the 1GB HD 5770 (close enough to your card) It is quite a great graphics card considering the price to performance ratio, definitely not a mistake, you should be quite happy with the performance of this card for directx 9 & 10 games, directx 11, well, it runs it, but not like a speed demon. Anyways, the 512MB version isn't bad, and for most games 512MB of video memory is good. The only game I can think of that it would matter more would be GTA IV.

[jackiecrane57]

@TheNonConformative Also, yes, you are correct about your assumption for the Anti Aliasing, for me, games run smoothly with 2xAA, but 8x and it lags. But really for the price, if you can put up with only 2 samples of Anti Aliasing, you can play just about any modern game with decent settings at a good frame rate. Sorry for the long reply, just sharing my knowledge.

[TheNonConformative]

@jackiecrane57 I am very thankful for your knowledge =D I ordered an XFX 5750 512MBGDDR5 a few days ago for 50 Euros. The card is from a media PC system where it hardly ever met any games, that will change as soon as its in my PC ;D

[jackiecrane57]

@TheNonConformative That's all you paid? That was a great deal, they usually go for around 110 bucks, or 80 euros in your case. Anyways, glad I could be informative and helpful for you :)

[TheNonConformative]

@jackiecrane57 Got her today =) And she´s fantastic. Really, if you ever look for a budget gaming card (or low-energy media card), then go for this one. I am absolutely amazed about the perfomance. Played Dead space 2, Modern Warfare 3 maxed out... all in 1080p. Only in very few instances the 512MB were too low and the game needed few secs to load the new data into the V-RAM. Its amazing. I am absolutely happy about my "best buy of the year". Cheers mate!

[hammbone852]

so what about two gtx 590's in sli on 3 2560X1600 displays? I heard that even with those in sli you only get 1.5GB of Ram. Help me out someone bc i'm planning on biulding the highest end computer money can buy at this point but i'm also really thinking about waiting for the new highest end kepler cards from Nvidia bc i will NOT buy AMD bc Nvidia has a lot more extra's such as Physx.

[Valkyze]

@hammbone852 "a lot" more extras? physx is the only extra to be honest. AMD can do up to six displays from a single card whereas nvidia needs two cards to do only 3 monitors.

brand loyalty will get you nowhere in the technology industry.

[hammbone852]

@Valkyze yea but it can't do it fluently without another card.

[rzmonk76]

very helpful answers. thanks

[crazychainsaw007]

3gb of 7970 on a 24inch moniter=overkill

[progste]

@crazychainsaw007

it doesn't matter the monitor size, what matters is the resolution

[crazychainsaw007]

@progste ? oh thanks for clearing that up someone told me if you have a bigger screen (i dont) that also factors into the memory

[TitansStatue]

No people he is not homosexual, he is happily married to a girl.

[THE16THPHANTOM]

@TitansStatue

i would think his probably not even finished with college yet...he looks too young for that.

[MM360X]

cant u just change your sites view

[lendial]

ultimately i just looked at tom's hardware for best gp for the money.

i dont know what a rop and cuda core is and i dont need to.

[jimmyrodano]

You're a fucking douche bag!!

[takeyourpillz]

9 dislikes , wtf? this guy is awesome!!!

[ruhtraeel]

IMO more RAM is useless for a gaming card unless you have like 3 full HD monitors.

The only time more RAM would be useful on a single monitor would be for workstation and modelling uses, where a gaming card would be crap anyways.

[MC3carcritic]

@ruhtraeel I agree, but more textures at higher resolutions affect the performance a bunch as well. For instance, GTA IV has (of course) options for low, mid, and high textures and when you go higher more memory is shown being occupied. If your card is good enough, then higher resolutions wont make much of a difference in performance (just better visual quality).

[MrDouglaswu]

is a 850 watt power supply enough to run crossfire HD 9650's , OC i5 2500k

[MYMAnarchy]

@MrDouglaswu 6950 ?? It's gonna be enough, as long as it's a good one

[MrDouglaswu]

@MYMAnarchy Yeah, two HIS Ice turbo 6950 with a Corsair HX 850 watt

[MYMAnarchy]

@MrDouglaswu Go for it, that's very good combination of PSU and video cards :D