I believe that dictatorship can be used but must be equalized by love of the people. Democracy can be introduced after the dictator has passed but for the head person, they are but a figure head that makes the country proud to be what it is. Many think it's a quest for power but I believe that the original starters of communist parties around the world should be in office until they die so their dream can truly be realised by the people.
@AusVietnamesePride you should go and live in a dictatorship, as long as you don't mind loosing lots of internet access, watched and followed (no joke), make sure you read the right books (make sure you never read the wrong one's, you will be imprisoned) and do not ask the party the wrong question and finally whatever you do do not try to organise the working class!! ( this is me writing from experience)
@MrLovethelife reassess your way of thinking, HOW CAN YOU believe the lies from the capitalist media and call yourself socialist. Lenin,Stalin, Mao, Kim Il Sung, Kim Jong Il, Mugabe, Najibullah and Castro are great communists.
@MaoistLeninistMarx First off, its even the independent media, but also actual comrades and friends within these countries especially in Cuba and Zimbabwe. Friends and comrades of mine have been arrested for wanting to strike, whilst in Cuba gays and lesbians were sent to "re-education" camps where they were beaten and abused...Just because we live in a capitalist country does not mean every media outlet is capitalist, just search on the internet, phone up and visit journalists in London
@MaoistLeninistMarx go to Zimbabwe first before you confess your love for Zimbabwe, i already know that you haven't been there, or if you have you did not experience Zim
@MrLovethelifeMy fiend, you have no concept that your beloved 'democracy' is precisely ht enormal working of capitalism which entails precisely the oppression of the working people. On an industrial and global scale. Open your eyes.
@ProletarianCPGBML democracy can only exist in the hands of the workers themselves not the party or a leader. Go to Zimbabwe, North Korea say democracy to an army unit and see what happens....
@MrLovethelife This is a very anarchist idea that leaders are not necessary. One that anarchists themselves dismissed after their experience in the Spanish Civil War (75 years ago!) You'll notice that even the very well organized and powerful bourgeoisie have many leadership structures. of their armed forces, governments, and enterprises. How do you think workers can do without such organization? you're barking (up the wrong tree / at the wrong people)!
@ProletarianCPGBML meant to be 'friend', not 'feind'!! But on second thoughts... Go to Zimbabwe, North Korea say democracy to an army unit and see what happens.... well. in realitym they'll look at you blankly. WHat's your point? armies are fairly disciplined and have command structures. Go and present yourself to any army - US/UK - and say 'democracy' if you like. But I wouldn't recommend it!
@ProletarianCPGBML I promise you this is not the case for Zimbabwe, even wearing the wrong t-shirt can end up in a cell, the army is not just some innocent minded person, Mugabwe and the army control the state, they employ people living in real poverty to beat, intimidate, rape, kill and imprison ANY opposition, i can tell you for fact this is the case in Zimbabwe..
Here we can say it, and yes it pisses the state off but even our Bourgeois "democracy" allows workers to organise
@ProletarianCPGBML same goes for China, North Korea (we've had comrades imprisoned for wanting to strike) Cuba, this countries oppress the working class even more that capitalists! Marxist Lennists are even more of a threat than the Bourgeoisie! i guess you can be on the side of the party (with the privilege and vast wealth) or you can be with the workers! Marx spoke for workers, not Individuals/dictatorships power ( i thought fiend was harsh lol, no worries)
Representing the working class?deluded middle class students and social workers, pretending there is a struggle that simply does not exist?Nigel Farage gets 500,000 hits on you tube?, the working class supports capitalism?.The Left is divided and, splintered.12 people sat in a room above a pub, making themselves feel better by sticking posters on the wall?.Where is the revolution?,Face the facts, the working class has moved to the right!.388 views?Dan Hannan is getting 2 million
I say fuck Trotsky,the SovietUnion was alive,the working class was in power,WHO CARES about some fog idea of internationalism..If Revolution can be atchived,even by chance,lets grab it. Socialism in 1 country is the only way,to sit idel by,waiting for global Revolution is at best naive..I support any country with a ruleing CP because this means ruleing of the working class..The details,pro-this,who-said-what,con-that,I dont care about.Support any CP-ML anywere,cause they represent our class...
@wesleysonic Trotskyism as a political ideology was dead, both within the USSR and internationally, by 1930s and only reemerged again - not as an ideology but a terroristic trend - when it aligned itself with the encirlcing Nazi's (is this internationalism?). It continues to be an irrelevance to the international masses and only has a small band of supporters within the NATO countries who implant confusion and bourgeois interests within the working class movement. It really is time to bury it.
@wesleysonic Trotsky's defeatist contributions naively rested upon proletarian revolution in Western Europe and denied the potential of the masses to construct socialism. Stalin was no narrow-minded nationalist but, like any sensible strategist, grasped that revolution was far from guaranteed in Europe and so pressed ahead with socialist construction, realising tremendous achievements, which Trotsky would have abandoned - rendering the people impotent and susceptible to imperialist oppression.
@wesleysonic Proletarian internationalism is not something you 'want', it's something that you practice and was duly served by the Soviet people throughout Stalin's leadership; giving material assistance to other revolutions, defending independent nation's sovereignty against imperialist invasion, developing people's democracies, and - as the bourgeoisie and their trotskyist servants seem to forget - saving humanity from Nazi-fascism.
In 2017 let us greet the 100th year anniversary of the Bolshevik revolution with the only thing that would make Lenin truly proud - a revolution of our own.
Trotsky did a few good things, like putting kautsky in his place and starting the red army, but his greatest achievement was catching an icepick with his head.
I don't get how you can praise trotsky, a man who wanted war communism for the soviet union for 70 years (the entire length of the duration of the USSR from Stalin to Gorbachev) and threatened the families of red army soldiers, who, unlike those purges, were innocent.
@AtheismCentral Permanent revolution is what will achieve true communism. Threatening innocent people is a lot different to killing innocent people like Stalin.
I know Trotsky to a great deal, I bet you didn't know that he was a menshevik in his early days, or that he PR supports 70 brutal years of war communism, or that Lenin called him a despicable careerist.
Killing innocent people? lol, nazi's were in the USSR's military during a time when they needed to industrialize and get ready for a patriotic war against nazi germany. He didn't threaten the officers, no, he threatened their families for no reason!
@AtheismCentral Yes I know he used to be a menshevik, so what? Permanent revolution is not war communism. Patriotism completely goes against Marxism entirely.
@wesleysonic loyalty to the first state or groups of states that had successfully overturned capitalism and imperialism and were actually liberating humanity was not simply 'patriotism' in the narrow bourgeois nationalist sense. USSR's entire culture, politics, international diplomatic relations and the real life experience of hundreds of millions of her people was profoundly proletarian internationalist! Moreover, loyalty to the soviet union was a world-wide phenomenon among the working masses!
@ProletarianCPGBML Trotsky wanted proletarian internationalism. The soviet union was socialism within one country. The working masses should not take pride in being oppressed.
*brilliant
JosephBramma 3 days ago
A. Filling speech by Jamie there!
JosephBramma 3 days ago
@MrLovethelife
I believe that dictatorship can be used but must be equalized by love of the people. Democracy can be introduced after the dictator has passed but for the head person, they are but a figure head that makes the country proud to be what it is. Many think it's a quest for power but I believe that the original starters of communist parties around the world should be in office until they die so their dream can truly be realised by the people.
AusVietnamesePride 1 month ago
@AusVietnamesePride you should go and live in a dictatorship, as long as you don't mind loosing lots of internet access, watched and followed (no joke), make sure you read the right books (make sure you never read the wrong one's, you will be imprisoned) and do not ask the party the wrong question and finally whatever you do do not try to organise the working class!! ( this is me writing from experience)
MrLovethelife 1 month ago
@MrLovethelife reassess your way of thinking, HOW CAN YOU believe the lies from the capitalist media and call yourself socialist. Lenin,Stalin, Mao, Kim Il Sung, Kim Jong Il, Mugabe, Najibullah and Castro are great communists.
MaoistLeninistMarx 1 month ago
@MaoistLeninistMarx First off, its even the independent media, but also actual comrades and friends within these countries especially in Cuba and Zimbabwe. Friends and comrades of mine have been arrested for wanting to strike, whilst in Cuba gays and lesbians were sent to "re-education" camps where they were beaten and abused...Just because we live in a capitalist country does not mean every media outlet is capitalist, just search on the internet, phone up and visit journalists in London
MrLovethelife 1 month ago
@MaoistLeninistMarx go to Zimbabwe first before you confess your love for Zimbabwe, i already know that you haven't been there, or if you have you did not experience Zim
MrLovethelife 1 month ago
@MrLovethelifeMy fiend, you have no concept that your beloved 'democracy' is precisely ht enormal working of capitalism which entails precisely the oppression of the working people. On an industrial and global scale. Open your eyes.
ProletarianCPGBML 1 month ago
@ProletarianCPGBML democracy can only exist in the hands of the workers themselves not the party or a leader. Go to Zimbabwe, North Korea say democracy to an army unit and see what happens....
MrLovethelife 1 month ago
@MrLovethelife This is a very anarchist idea that leaders are not necessary. One that anarchists themselves dismissed after their experience in the Spanish Civil War (75 years ago!) You'll notice that even the very well organized and powerful bourgeoisie have many leadership structures. of their armed forces, governments, and enterprises. How do you think workers can do without such organization? you're barking (up the wrong tree / at the wrong people)!
ProletarianCPGBML 1 month ago
@ProletarianCPGBML meant to be 'friend', not 'feind'!! But on second thoughts... Go to Zimbabwe, North Korea say democracy to an army unit and see what happens.... well. in realitym they'll look at you blankly. WHat's your point? armies are fairly disciplined and have command structures. Go and present yourself to any army - US/UK - and say 'democracy' if you like. But I wouldn't recommend it!
ProletarianCPGBML 1 month ago
@ProletarianCPGBML I promise you this is not the case for Zimbabwe, even wearing the wrong t-shirt can end up in a cell, the army is not just some innocent minded person, Mugabwe and the army control the state, they employ people living in real poverty to beat, intimidate, rape, kill and imprison ANY opposition, i can tell you for fact this is the case in Zimbabwe..
Here we can say it, and yes it pisses the state off but even our Bourgeois "democracy" allows workers to organise
MrLovethelife 1 month ago
@ProletarianCPGBML same goes for China, North Korea (we've had comrades imprisoned for wanting to strike) Cuba, this countries oppress the working class even more that capitalists! Marxist Lennists are even more of a threat than the Bourgeoisie! i guess you can be on the side of the party (with the privilege and vast wealth) or you can be with the workers! Marx spoke for workers, not Individuals/dictatorships power ( i thought fiend was harsh lol, no worries)
MrLovethelife 1 month ago
If only they didn't agree with race-mixing. Massive sigh from me.
FreeRoamRatchet 2 months ago
@FreeRoamRatchet Don't worry, capitalist markets will ensure that your race dies to mongrelization...dumbass.
PrimeConsciousness 1 month ago
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Representing the working class?deluded middle class students and social workers, pretending there is a struggle that simply does not exist?Nigel Farage gets 500,000 hits on you tube?, the working class supports capitalism?.The Left is divided and, splintered.12 people sat in a room above a pub, making themselves feel better by sticking posters on the wall?.Where is the revolution?,Face the facts, the working class has moved to the right!.388 views?Dan Hannan is getting 2 million
sparky6952 2 months ago
LOL! Fat, autistic inbreds in a shed jacking off to the Soviet Union aka concrete shithole.
DrDerpwerth 2 months ago
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jdcsokolowski 2 months ago
fuck communism
ConorJNixon 2 months ago
@ConorJNixon She's not interested.
ProletarianCPGBML 2 months ago
Hey do you know where the soviet union is? I can't find it on a map
irbk500 2 months ago
@irbk500 In the vacinity of Russia. Kazakhstan, Ukraine, Georgia, Armenia, Azerbaijan, Byelorussia...
ProletarianCPGBML 2 months ago
@ProletarianCPGBML He's pointing out that it doesn't exist anymore, because it collapsed. Communism failed, as it always has and always will.
MediaDudes232 1 week ago
Great speech, well done comrade!
eurekarebel 3 months ago 2
@eurekarebel thanks - a must see, we agree!
ProletarianCPGBML 3 months ago
I say fuck Trotsky,the SovietUnion was alive,the working class was in power,WHO CARES about some fog idea of internationalism..If Revolution can be atchived,even by chance,lets grab it. Socialism in 1 country is the only way,to sit idel by,waiting for global Revolution is at best naive..I support any country with a ruleing CP because this means ruleing of the working class..The details,pro-this,who-said-what,con-that,I dont care about.Support any CP-ML anywere,cause they represent our class...
RebelSonBand 3 months ago
Wonderful insights..
dialectical44 3 months ago
@wesleysonic Trotskyism as a political ideology was dead, both within the USSR and internationally, by 1930s and only reemerged again - not as an ideology but a terroristic trend - when it aligned itself with the encirlcing Nazi's (is this internationalism?). It continues to be an irrelevance to the international masses and only has a small band of supporters within the NATO countries who implant confusion and bourgeois interests within the working class movement. It really is time to bury it.
SovietScotland 3 months ago
@wesleysonic Trotsky's defeatist contributions naively rested upon proletarian revolution in Western Europe and denied the potential of the masses to construct socialism. Stalin was no narrow-minded nationalist but, like any sensible strategist, grasped that revolution was far from guaranteed in Europe and so pressed ahead with socialist construction, realising tremendous achievements, which Trotsky would have abandoned - rendering the people impotent and susceptible to imperialist oppression.
SovietScotland 3 months ago
@wesleysonic Proletarian internationalism is not something you 'want', it's something that you practice and was duly served by the Soviet people throughout Stalin's leadership; giving material assistance to other revolutions, defending independent nation's sovereignty against imperialist invasion, developing people's democracies, and - as the bourgeoisie and their trotskyist servants seem to forget - saving humanity from Nazi-fascism.
SovietScotland 3 months ago
Very good speech Jamie, well done.
Nick
ourhandsaretied 3 months ago
In 2017 let us greet the 100th year anniversary of the Bolshevik revolution with the only thing that would make Lenin truly proud - a revolution of our own.
blackiron60 3 months ago
was i the only one who gave an applause at the end?
soverato3 3 months ago
If that is his first speech, he did rather well.
God damn the queen!
AtheismCentral 3 months ago
I'm glad to see there's more youth interested in Communism like myself!
darkpepijn 3 months ago
@darkpepijn and like me =)
for freedom! our future!
soverato3 3 months ago
You use Stalin? Trotsky is the true revolutionist.
wesleysonic 3 months ago
@wesleysonic That is debatable.
Jasonthegaiface 3 months ago
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policestory 3 months ago
@wesleysonic Trotsky is soooo passe. Get with the times, man.
policestory 3 months ago
@wesleysonic Heil Stalin.
onewhopwns 3 months ago
@onewhopwns
If your going to say that, at least use a hail not a heil. And please, if comrade Stalin were here he would request you praise Lenin first.
AtheismCentral 3 months ago
@AtheismCentral Yeah,he's the only bolshevik I support,the rest are jewish infiltrators,including trotsky.
onewhopwns 3 months ago
@AtheismCentral Just to let you know,I'm no hippie communist that supports jews,gay rights,anarchy or any kind of degenerate shit.
onewhopwns 3 months ago
@onewhopwns
It appears your a nazbol, GTFO. I am half jewish, by the way, and I am bisexual.
AtheismCentral 3 months ago
@AtheismCentral Well that explains that you're half idiot and half gay.
onewhopwns 3 months ago
@wesleysonic
Trotsky did a few good things, like putting kautsky in his place and starting the red army, but his greatest achievement was catching an icepick with his head.
AtheismCentral 3 months ago
@AtheismCentral I don't understand how you cannot see that Stalin was not a communist.
wesleysonic 3 months ago
@wesleysonic Unlike you he has read history on stalin and the ussr.
CommunistUnitedICP 3 months ago
@CommunistUnitedICP He has read it from twisted view of Stalin. Not the enlightened one of Trotsky.
wesleysonic 3 months ago
@wesleysonic Enlightened? I see i have encountered a trotskyist.
CommunistUnitedICP 3 months ago
@CommunistUnitedICP Indeed :)
wesleysonic 3 months ago
@wesleysonic
I don't get how you can praise trotsky, a man who wanted war communism for the soviet union for 70 years (the entire length of the duration of the USSR from Stalin to Gorbachev) and threatened the families of red army soldiers, who, unlike those purges, were innocent.
AtheismCentral 3 months ago
@AtheismCentral Permanent revolution is what will achieve true communism. Threatening innocent people is a lot different to killing innocent people like Stalin.
wesleysonic 3 months ago
@wesleysonic
I know Trotsky to a great deal, I bet you didn't know that he was a menshevik in his early days, or that he PR supports 70 brutal years of war communism, or that Lenin called him a despicable careerist.
Killing innocent people? lol, nazi's were in the USSR's military during a time when they needed to industrialize and get ready for a patriotic war against nazi germany. He didn't threaten the officers, no, he threatened their families for no reason!
AtheismCentral 3 months ago
@AtheismCentral Yes I know he used to be a menshevik, so what? Permanent revolution is not war communism. Patriotism completely goes against Marxism entirely.
wesleysonic 3 months ago
@wesleysonic loyalty to the first state or groups of states that had successfully overturned capitalism and imperialism and were actually liberating humanity was not simply 'patriotism' in the narrow bourgeois nationalist sense. USSR's entire culture, politics, international diplomatic relations and the real life experience of hundreds of millions of her people was profoundly proletarian internationalist! Moreover, loyalty to the soviet union was a world-wide phenomenon among the working masses!
ProletarianCPGBML 3 months ago
@ProletarianCPGBML Trotsky wanted proletarian internationalism. The soviet union was socialism within one country. The working masses should not take pride in being oppressed.
wesleysonic 3 months ago
@wesleysonic your mind is closed
ProletarianCPGBML 3 months ago
@ProletarianCPGBML
Thank you for educating that dimwit comrades.
AtheismCentral 3 months ago