'I do not like the reappearance of The Jesuits ... If ever there was a body of men who merited damnation on earth and in hell, it is this society of Loyola's. Nevertheless, we are compelled by our system of religous toleration to offer them an asylum.' John Adams, 2nd President of the U.S.A
Jamming and saying something are two entirely different things. Thanks for the props, love to all. Peace! ~ Scott - AspireNow (and sax man for Burning James, Black Market Trio, and BODY - feel free to Google - you'll find me)
Saw the band in San Francisco at Winterland, in 1975?, they were warm up for Frank Zappa and the Mothers Of Invention, Frank was subdued a little, but was an excellent show but Weather Report stole the show.
Actually, Jaco replaced Alphonso. Alphonso was on Mysterious Traveller, Tale Spinnin', and most of the Black Market album. I'm pretty sure he played bass on the studio version of the song Black Market. While Alphonso was in WR, I think the band explored funkier rhythyms and when Jaco was in the band, I think the music was more melodic in nature. Both bassists are pretty phenomenal in my book - two of the kats!
Man, some of you people even though you are avid jazz music lovers, you really dont know your musicians. @paraolicpete, the saxophonist is Wayne Shorter, one of the originators of the group.
@ izzionbass, my bru, this bass player's name is Alphonso Johnson and he was the original bass player before Jaco. Jaco replaced him after Alphonso struck out on his own. Actually I see someone already beat me to this. After just looking up the biography of Weather Report, it states that Mirislov Vitious was the origninal bassist, then Alphonso, the Jaco. Interesting!!!!
@ izzionbass, my bru, this bass player's name is Alphonso Johnson and he was the original bass player before Jaco. Jaco replaced him after Alphonso struck out on his own. Actually I see someone already beat me to this.
@fodera6 Uh, no... you've got it backwards. Jaco replaced Alphonso. Jaco was replaced by Victor Bailey. Either way, Jaco's live version of this song is vastly superior to Alphonso's studio version.
@fodera6 Thank for your information. Jaco could not be replaced forever. It may be an alternative solution to call in another bass player. but what Jaco played was one in the whole damn universe!
with all respect to this bass player whoever it is . . Original Bass line is played by the most influential bassist of all time :JACO. His bass lines are unbelievably suicidal . . . just listen to the original "Black Market"
@izzionbass I am afraid you are mistaken. Alphonso Johnson is the original bassist on Black Market. Jaco only plays on track 2 (Cannon Ball) & track 6 (Barbary Coast). Track 1 is Black Market and Johnson plays on it, not Jaco. When that arsehole murdered Jaco and we were robbed of one of the greatest musicians to ever walk the planet, Victor Bailey took over on bass on the album 'Procession'. Jaco plays on the live version of Black Market on the album '8.30'.
@popliphaha Luc Havan robbed the world of an alcoholic street person. Jaco Pastorius robbed us of one of the greatest musicians to ever walk the planet years prior through his substance abuse and unwillingness (or inability) to accept treatment for his mental illness. By the time Pastorius committed suicide by bouncer, he was a spent force.
@izzionbass I'm afraid you choose the wrong example: on the Black Market album, both alphonso johnson and jaco are playing. If memory serves, i'd say Jaco plays only on barbary coast, but i can be wrong. BTW, I agree on the main point: Jaco is THE man
@izzionbass jaco replaced alphonso johnson who actually recorded the original bassline. jaco only recorded "cannonball" and "barbary coast" on black market. he joined the band while they were still in the process of recording the album. read the jaco bio by bill milkowski
This is not Weather Report. Without Wayne Shorter, there was no Weather Report. While Kirk Whalum is doing a "modern style" solo here, his tone and playing suffers from the showy movement. He plays best when he stood still and focused. His solo also fails to tell the story of "Black Market" as Wayne does so splendidly on the album and in live versions. I feel like Whalum is just jamming and showing off his chops but really isn't saying anything. I still enjoyed this video! Thanks for sharing!
Being a jazz musician myself for the last 30 years, I believe there's only one Jaco. Johnson is good, no doubt about that, but...he ain't no Jaco. When people who know are asked who is the greatest bass player ever, they most often either respond "Jaco" or "Jamerson". Personally, I love them both. There will only be one "Jaco, one "James Jamerson" and only one Weather Report.
@dansaghin1 hey !, I'm not racist, just think that Jaco Pastorius bass player who was always better alphonse, alphonse I think that plays the bass well, but never arrived at the heels of jaco.
@dansaghin1 bro, I too am a bassist, and well that pony is more influential and had a wide domination of the instrument, as I told you, I know that Alphonse is a great bassist, but not as much as it was smack, you do not get offended but not alphonse best bass players like Jaco Pastorius, James Jamerson or geezer butler, also, everyone has their opinion, but Jaco has more experience.
@dansaghin1 ok friend, I respect the influences and opinions of all, so no problem, I like the way you think and defend your beliefs, your tastes are very good, peace of bassist to bassist :)
@davidhilton . He's not sensitive to the music. He could be playing with anybody and would do exactly the same thing. At least from what I've seen and heard.
@MahavishnuOrchestra1 Well phrased. There was soooooo much going on in the'70s musically it was crazy and I am not just saying in the jazz or fusion arena. Everywhere! 75 to 85 was magical. Ah, I miss being in highs school!
@chillichomper There's still a lot going on today. Alas not in the focus of the public eye. The mainstream is all about "music" that is being "produced" much like a product in a factory imho.
@MahavishnuOrchestra1 quite arrogant. Taste and intelligence have never been linked. I enjoy this music alot, but I would never say that someone who doesn't like it 'isn't intelligen't enough'.
@hermanshermits124124 oh yes they do my friend. music is stimulation for the brain. when i hear this type of music it makes me think. it makes me imagine things, i am sent on an intellectual high. most mainstrem music now is all in 4/4 timing. most of it sounds the same. much less creativty involed. therfore less intellegence is needed in actually creating the music most of the mainstream artis dont even kno how to play an instrument. hence its listeners are not experiencing this magic!!
By the way -- I saw them in the EARLY 70s, when Miroslav Vitouš was playing upright bass & using wah-wah & other electronic effects. They were BROKE & played a fundraiser at the Bitter End in NYC. So our whole band went down & sat about 10 feet away & said "WHAT THE F*#!!?. Hey, who knew?
@KrisKraft101 A cover is always necessary. In concealment lies a great part of our strength. Hence we must always hide ourselves under the name of another society. --Die neusten ararbeiten des Spartacus and Philo in dem Illuminaten-Orden, 1794, p: 165
This is taken from page 491 of Foucault's Pendulum by Umberto Eco. 'Coincidentally' Umberto Eco has written the introduction to the newly printed version of Alexandre's The Count of Monte Christo.
Narada Michael Walden is a monster. More talent in one finger than most drummers have on all four limbs. Check out his Mahavishnu clips to see what transhuman drumming is. What a shame he has mostly produced popular music and given up drumming, unlike Billy Cobham who continues to pound it out. Narada, drummer, RIP (Narada, the man, hope you live a long, long time.)
In the line of great, innovative bass players, Alphonso comes before Jaco. And he was in WR before Jaco. The drummer here, Narada Michael Walden, was in WR briefly, for two tunes on Black Market (including the title tune) and had previously played with the Mahavishnu Orchestra. Acuna plays full drums on one WR record.
Jaco was such an extroverted talent, that he needed to coexist with less restrictive circumstances as a canvas for what he was doing. He was trying to bring a fresh point of view from an instrumnet that had a background status, and push a new direction from a new style of musical entity.
WR was strong before and after Jaco, but it had a unique flavor with him, that cannot be denied.
Al Johnson was deeper than Jaco (who was brilliant but unhidden). this rhythm section is ballsy from 2' - 4' off the hook bass and drums, just chaotic, ready to explode/fall apart like Janis Joplin.
Usually, I don't write much here but WR is my No 1 EVER, and all this 'Jaco mania' drives me (almost) crazy. To me (and most of the THEN critics, the absolutely best WR stuff comes from 1971 - 76. (to me, personally, 73-76.)
Pastorius was a genius and probably the best bass PLAYER ever but didn't really bring much CREATIVELY to WR. His joining the band, sadly, marked the beginning of the slow decline of this amazing band.
Now i understand a lil bit more the basis in your perspective about this "Jaco-Weather Report" topic (anyway, i still respect it).
But in my opinion. I think this "Jaco-Zawinul" combo gave at WR, of course; the popularity (obviously given by Jaco's "eccentricityies") but most of all, the enrichment of the WR tunes by the musical perspective Jaco had.
Maybe i think this 'cause of the "afro-cuban-latin style" WR got "increased" since Jaco's entrance.
Nothing against 'afro-cuban-latin-style', my friend. All for... OK, sophisticated may sound aloof, but more interesting music. The point is, you have to be really patient and listen many times to the same tune to get it, otherwise it doesn't seem to make much sense. Back in my time, we had all year to get to know ONE album, now if you, younger fans, listen to all of it at once, there is no way you ever get it. And it's your loss b/c THAT music (71-76) is amazing... Try it, one song at a time.
Hehehe. Good point, fellow. And it's quite interesting to read your whole comment.
Maybe we, "young fans", have a more "popular conception" of WR music. But in my "short experience" i've found that music, in a "band-group" perspective, goes beyond individuals. And i've got to admit that my first impression from WR came from the Jaco era. Maybe that's why is hard for me to catch your very own perspective (besides a well marked generation line between us ;D)
This is good but better came when the space opened up. Narada was playing Maha style. The beauty is the space btw the notes and that takes a lot of maturity, like the jaco line up
quite right ... Weather report is weather report only when Shorter and Zawinul play. Some persons say that pastorius is the soul of WR. That's not the true. Jaco is probably one of the best bass player ever but ... Well, this soxophonist is awful, he doesn't respect the way shoter used to play.
kirk whalum is NOT awful he is a great tenor saxophonist in his own right and he played the song in his style which is in itself a mark of a great saxophonist - he doesnt try to imitate shorter. and seriously....faggy hat? just enjoy good musicianship and stop being rediculous.
Narada Michael Walden is one of my favorite WR drummers, he contributed alot both as a percussionist and a drummer. Alphonso is also highly appriciated. :)
does anyone know what bass alphonso jhonson is playing ? it seems quite like a alembic, but i'm not sure. The only thing i know about this bass is that it sounds pretty great !
I think thi sis the bass he played back in the day with weather report. In that case it is a custom hand made bass. Check out his article from the early 70's in Downbeat, he talks about that bass in the article.
Musicplayer59 - I recall in a Downbeat interview from the late 70's Al Johnson stating that he had his instruments handmade for him. My guess - It is likely that this bass is a one off original.
BTW +1 on the sound. Al Johnson's recordings from this period are my fav for Fretless tone !
Thank fuck thats your last reply cos you sound more of a prick with every comment Try not speaking to people like your the only one who plays a musical instument To mention how long you've played as if it gives you more authority in your argument is arrogant
Ok checkout Punk Jazz track 3 with Little Beaver , in fact checkout the whole thing & then get back to me & point out the gimmicks & then post yourself playing cos you must be fuckin awesome to be able to say a lot of what Jaco Pastorius played was gimmicky
Zawinul like everybody ,knew the best time for WP was when Jaco was there , he clearly hated that . Joe was a great musician but his arrogance was sometimes to much . I to only have WP albums with Jaco on . If you look through all WP videos on Youtube Jaco comments win by miles . RIP The worlds greatest bass player
...and you call Zawinul arrogant-! The best time for Jaco was when he was with Zawinul - he just couldn't keep it togetrher on his own -and before you get all upitee his illness is well documented and very sad and no one should die the way he did - only in america eh - have one of the most original bass players the world has ever seen and let him waste away and be murdered - only in america...
absolutely right...that stuff only happens here. oh, the obligatory god bless america! and keep voting for the two parties numbskulls. whatever you do, don't "throw away your vote" by voting for a true public-servant. hooray, america!
i dont think he was arrogant, more annoyed of peoples ignorance. as a begining bass player, around the time of heavy weather, i too was smitten by jacos sound and dexterity. just as jaco wanted to be the "jimmi hendrix of the bass" i wanted to be the next jaco. but as i developed and matured as a musician i began to realise that a lot of what he did was gimmicky. but that is what grabs your attention and makes you listen. jaco may well be "the greatest bass player ever". but not most talented
what you say doesn't add up. Gimmicky? thats just way off man. Watch his tutorial video and tell me it's gimmicky...Jaco was way ahead. I'd rather take Herbie Hancocks word over yours anyway. Keep practising.
thanks for reply. well funny you should say that about herbie because my all time favourite jaco composition is "continuum", that herbie played on. and he played on herbies record "4am".
and i can honestly say , without a shadow of a doubt, paul jacksons style and talent is far better suited to herbies sound. its just that i prefer my basses to sound bassy. but you cant really say an apple is better than an orange. thanks, i will keep practicing.
i know what your saying - one mans meat etc. but you never addressed the "gimmicky" question?. and i think its obvious the contribution jaco made to the bass instrument and music in general, will outweigh paul jackson, victor wooten or anyone else who came along. Plus he was funny with it.
what did i mean by gimmicky? over use of harmonics for one. over playing is gimmicky to me. as a bass player i know how ridiculously easy it is to impress people by doing all the flashy stuff but useless if you cant groove. which he could! so in one sense he did dumb it down a bit ( he was not jimmi hendrix ). no doubt about his contribution to the bass guitar and market . also a lot of what he played was not his own but he made it his with his sound so you cant argue with that. thanks
" doing all the flashy stuff is useless if you can't groove-which he could" a tad non sensical if i might be so bold.. it strikes me that you see Jaco in the same way people come to see most genius. It gets over familiar and therefore breeds contempt. But it doesn't diminish the initial impact.....There ARE other great players, no doubt about it, but the fundamental thing is that HE changed the instrument forever.
ps you dont have to be a bass player to be guilty of over playing
if you didnt understand then i couldnt have made it clear. listen mate i have had these types of arguements with beatle and elvis fans when they just cant see past there idols and would have you believe music didnt exist before them, maybe it didnt for them. call it quits cause we will go round in circles. and we havent even got around to stanley clarkes gimmicks!
i was responding to a point about what someone had said joe zawinul had said about jaco. and having played music myself for thirty odd years, i said i could see what he (joe) means and he may have a point. so if you want to argue against him then i would say you are arrogant. but i just think you want to argue for arguments sake buddy, so this will be the last reply.
this is not the forum for an in depth discussion. so if i didnt make it clear please dont worry about it. you dont make sense to me either. feel free to get the last word in.
I just wanted to support grazer on the remark about Paul Jackson - what a fantastic player that guy is !! There is such depth in what he does. Ya know - I can copy Jaco to some degree (though not to his level of genius), but I can't even come close to copping Paul Jackson. IMHO- Both of these guys are pure genious and it is apples and oranges to me but wow - Jackson got da funk !!.
So did Zaminul just say "ok Kirk you take this one". This seemed (in my mind, I'm not asking anyone to agree with me) like a father taking his son to the park to shoot some hoops then lowering the height so the kid can do as many slam dunks as he wants, then calling his friends over to set him up perfect for lay-ups. I don't know... maybe I'm way off...
Hear that 2:20~ Sax is talking we should probably listen. The whole group added a special dynamic to the eclectic sound that we hear. Wasn't one person!!
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This is one "momentous" video. =p
bryonwoods513 1 week ago
said it right...
lovelplants 2 weeks ago
This video went viral on North Carolina
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uriahheep108 5 months ago
Jamming and saying something are two entirely different things. Thanks for the props, love to all. Peace! ~ Scott - AspireNow (and sax man for Burning James, Black Market Trio, and BODY - feel free to Google - you'll find me)
aspirenow 6 months ago
This sucks
fanhawkscanes 6 months ago
I DISAGREE NARADA OR ACUNA IS A MORE RIGHT CHOISE THAN ESKINE FOR THIS GROUPE
Tfunkize 6 months ago
Hehe, this band has such a good hat selection.
tjc197 7 months ago
Walden is good, but he definately ain't Erskine!
mcoope15 7 months ago
@mcoope15
It's too bad Erskine couldn't have sat in. They had Acuna there; should've put him on the skins imo
DrumDisciple1 7 months ago
To me jazz bands rock so much harder than rock bands, because they are combining elegance, grace, emotion and intelligence with raw power.
jmillzz2 8 months ago 2
@jmillzz2 Couldn't agree more !
louisbrillon 8 months ago
Saw the band in San Francisco at Winterland, in 1975?, they were warm up for Frank Zappa and the Mothers Of Invention, Frank was subdued a little, but was an excellent show but Weather Report stole the show.
crazyunclerex59 9 months ago
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crazyunclerex59 9 months ago
if everyone on the world listened to weather report, there would be no hate. just loveeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee for the jam
sipkaaaaa 9 months ago
man jams harder than Lisa Simpson
somenextguy22 10 months ago
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def2008 11 months ago
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def2008 11 months ago
HAAAAA it's KIRK WhALUM...
def2008 11 months ago
He is singing like an angel from that sax.Wonderfull.
GalloAutoritario 1 year ago
Wow, Kirk Whalum sounds great on this!
musicman18447 1 year ago
@fodera6 Alphonso Johnson replaced Miroslav Vitous. Jaco replaced Alphonso.
HowPeculiar1 1 year ago
@HowPeculiar1 Yes, yes. I know. I made a mistake.
fodera6 1 year ago
@HowPeculiar1 Jaco replaced a black guy on bass? ...Holy fuck...
ByTor190 11 months ago
Actually, Jaco replaced Alphonso. Alphonso was on Mysterious Traveller, Tale Spinnin', and most of the Black Market album. I'm pretty sure he played bass on the studio version of the song Black Market. While Alphonso was in WR, I think the band explored funkier rhythyms and when Jaco was in the band, I think the music was more melodic in nature. Both bassists are pretty phenomenal in my book - two of the kats!
FunkyDownBeat 1 year ago
Holy shit! Just enjoy!
kurtizzyflush 1 year ago
Man, some of you people even though you are avid jazz music lovers, you really dont know your musicians. @paraolicpete, the saxophonist is Wayne Shorter, one of the originators of the group.
bakaryjammeh 1 year ago
@ izzionbass, my bru, this bass player's name is Alphonso Johnson and he was the original bass player before Jaco. Jaco replaced him after Alphonso struck out on his own. Actually I see someone already beat me to this. After just looking up the biography of Weather Report, it states that Mirislov Vitious was the origninal bassist, then Alphonso, the Jaco. Interesting!!!!
bakaryjammeh 1 year ago
@ izzionbass, my bru, this bass player's name is Alphonso Johnson and he was the original bass player before Jaco. Jaco replaced him after Alphonso struck out on his own. Actually I see someone already beat me to this.
bakaryjammeh 1 year ago
@fodera6 Wrong way round chaps
doggiesbollox 1 year ago
This is the drummer I saw playing with Jeff Beck in April.
MrTexasDrummer 1 year ago
This is the great Kirk Whalum on saxophone. Not as original as the great Wayne, but still very, very wonderful...............................
parabolicpete 1 year ago
@fodera6 Actually, Alphonso was in the band first. Jaco replaced him...
andaloudog 1 year ago
@fodera6 Uh, no... you've got it backwards. Jaco replaced Alphonso. Jaco was replaced by Victor Bailey. Either way, Jaco's live version of this song is vastly superior to Alphonso's studio version.
discolando 1 year ago
@discolando totally agree!!!! listen to both! jaco's live bass line i can just kill my self till i die!!
izzionbass 1 year ago
@fodera6 Thank for your information. Jaco could not be replaced forever. It may be an alternative solution to call in another bass player. but what Jaco played was one in the whole damn universe!
izzionbass 1 year ago
with all respect to this bass player whoever it is . . Original Bass line is played by the most influential bassist of all time :JACO. His bass lines are unbelievably suicidal . . . just listen to the original "Black Market"
izzionbass 1 year ago
@izzionbass Jaco wasn't the original bassist on Black Market (and please, can someone get that saxophonist back in his fucking box!)
popliphaha 1 year ago
@popliphaha : jaco was the original bassist! when he died bass was replaced with alphonso and baily
izzionbass 1 year ago
@izzionbass I am afraid you are mistaken. Alphonso Johnson is the original bassist on Black Market. Jaco only plays on track 2 (Cannon Ball) & track 6 (Barbary Coast). Track 1 is Black Market and Johnson plays on it, not Jaco. When that arsehole murdered Jaco and we were robbed of one of the greatest musicians to ever walk the planet, Victor Bailey took over on bass on the album 'Procession'. Jaco plays on the live version of Black Market on the album '8.30'.
popliphaha 1 year ago
@popliphaha Luc Havan robbed the world of an alcoholic street person. Jaco Pastorius robbed us of one of the greatest musicians to ever walk the planet years prior through his substance abuse and unwillingness (or inability) to accept treatment for his mental illness. By the time Pastorius committed suicide by bouncer, he was a spent force.
mattlove1 11 months ago
@izzionbass and also did alphonso johnson play the original line of black market.
markusoberleitner 1 year ago
@izzionbass This line is from Johnson, Jaco arrived later into Weather Report :-)
acapom 1 year ago
@izzionbass I'm afraid you choose the wrong example: on the Black Market album, both alphonso johnson and jaco are playing. If memory serves, i'd say Jaco plays only on barbary coast, but i can be wrong. BTW, I agree on the main point: Jaco is THE man
musicplayer69 1 year ago
@izzionbass jaco replaced alphonso johnson who actually recorded the original bassline. jaco only recorded "cannonball" and "barbary coast" on black market. he joined the band while they were still in the process of recording the album. read the jaco bio by bill milkowski
joerobot32 1 year ago
Very well done, by Mr. Whalum!!!!!
videostan 1 year ago
This is not Weather Report. Without Wayne Shorter, there was no Weather Report. While Kirk Whalum is doing a "modern style" solo here, his tone and playing suffers from the showy movement. He plays best when he stood still and focused. His solo also fails to tell the story of "Black Market" as Wayne does so splendidly on the album and in live versions. I feel like Whalum is just jamming and showing off his chops but really isn't saying anything. I still enjoyed this video! Thanks for sharing!
aspirenow 1 year ago
@aspirenow
word.
could not have said it better myself. He does not suck, just not Wayne. Or, Weather Report.
Earthshakingmusic 1 year ago
@aspirenow - You put into words exactly what I was thinking when I was watching this clip - I enjoyed it all the same. Thanks
popliphaha 1 year ago
@aspirenow Very well stated. I would have to say that I concur with it.
Maxoman427 6 months ago
The bass guitar is an Alembic. circa 1976
gnowersark 1 year ago
@saiyan135 and @dansaghin1, Les Claypool is probably the best bassist ever... him or Burton.
RIP Burton.
DETHFAN18ALL 1 year ago
i recongize the talent but not what im into... Dream Theater and Death are more interesting
DETHFAN18ALL 1 year ago
Being a jazz musician myself for the last 30 years, I believe there's only one Jaco. Johnson is good, no doubt about that, but...he ain't no Jaco. When people who know are asked who is the greatest bass player ever, they most often either respond "Jaco" or "Jamerson". Personally, I love them both. There will only be one "Jaco, one "James Jamerson" and only one Weather Report.
coopm12 1 year ago
jajaja joe tiene un buen gorro como siempre
floffunk 1 year ago
best black market ever, love the rithm section
dansaghin1 1 year ago
Nada do que foi será, de novo do jeito que já foi um dia, tudo passa, tudo sempre passará!
MrSilvio071 1 year ago
where's jaco, he's better than alpphonse fuck the alphonse johnson era, jaco pastorius forever
saiyan135 1 year ago
@saiyan135
you rasist fuck, enjoy the music stupid
dansaghin1 1 year ago
@dansaghin1 hey !, I'm not racist, just think that Jaco Pastorius bass player who was always better alphonse, alphonse I think that plays the bass well, but never arrived at the heels of jaco.
saiyan135 1 year ago
@saiyan135
come on man...you know better...how can u say such a thing...i am a bassplayer myself, there is no such thing as best bassplayer or so...think again
dansaghin1 1 year ago
@dansaghin1 bro, I too am a bassist, and well that pony is more influential and had a wide domination of the instrument, as I told you, I know that Alphonse is a great bassist, but not as much as it was smack, you do not get offended but not alphonse best bass players like Jaco Pastorius, James Jamerson or geezer butler, also, everyone has their opinion, but Jaco has more experience.
saiyan135 1 year ago
@saiyan135
now i agree with u, it`s how you express yourself.
however i think alphonso is grooving harder than jaco, he shaped my playing more than jaco, believe it or not,.
offcourse I pay my respects to jaco but i am more influenced by alphonso (so I like to think)
dansaghin1 1 year ago
@dansaghin1 ok friend, I respect the influences and opinions of all, so no problem, I like the way you think and defend your beliefs, your tastes are very good, peace of bassist to bassist :)
saiyan135 1 year ago 2
kirk whalum is horrible
salinasbeat 1 year ago
@salinasbeat Just curious what you don't like about his playing?
davidhilton 1 year ago
@davidhilton . He's not sensitive to the music. He could be playing with anybody and would do exactly the same thing. At least from what I've seen and heard.
salinasbeat 1 year ago
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owlcu 1 year ago 2
A triumph
grabngonuts 1 year ago
today's music is king of a "sport" or something !! look at rap ,rave , Madona etc ... jump and show your curves and Ti**S
WR is mental ,, intelect !
MrJonsmile 1 year ago
great band...you have to love Alphonso Johnson at bass. He is groovin hard.
This is what bass is all about.
dansaghin1 1 year ago
its a shame that 99 percent of people these days arent even intelligent enough to understand this kind of music any more
MahavishnuOrchestra1 1 year ago 3
@MahavishnuOrchestra1 Well phrased. There was soooooo much going on in the'70s musically it was crazy and I am not just saying in the jazz or fusion arena. Everywhere! 75 to 85 was magical. Ah, I miss being in highs school!
chillichomper 1 year ago
@chillichomper There's still a lot going on today. Alas not in the focus of the public eye. The mainstream is all about "music" that is being "produced" much like a product in a factory imho.
TheOneEclypso 1 year ago
@MahavishnuOrchestra1 quite arrogant. Taste and intelligence have never been linked. I enjoy this music alot, but I would never say that someone who doesn't like it 'isn't intelligen't enough'.
hermanshermits124124 1 year ago
@hermanshermits124124 oh yes they do my friend. music is stimulation for the brain. when i hear this type of music it makes me think. it makes me imagine things, i am sent on an intellectual high. most mainstrem music now is all in 4/4 timing. most of it sounds the same. much less creativty involed. therfore less intellegence is needed in actually creating the music most of the mainstream artis dont even kno how to play an instrument. hence its listeners are not experiencing this magic!!
MahavishnuOrchestra1 1 year ago
grazie aragorn. avevo dei dubbi nostalgici ma mi sembrano anche meglio!! vanno come un treno!
giuliano119 1 year ago
Sax should be Wayne Shorter.
dumchin 1 year ago
sounds like the old BBC Ceefax music
truck5050 1 year ago
anche se la formazione non ha niente a
che fare con quella dei vecchi W.R.
resta un'esecuzione degna di essere nel
meglio della musica di quel periodo.
aragorn956 1 year ago
why doesn't kirk play like this on his albums
pgonzo98 1 year ago 2
Fools, by the way. Zawinul was the man, the rest were just pickups.
TheBitterWeed 2 years ago
Bad sound... but what a vibe !!
TheBitterWeed 2 years ago
Boy that Kirk guy on tenor...he can really whale 'em out loud !! Badumpshhhhhh !!
ThousandShakes 2 years ago
Con o sin Wayne Shoter y Jaco Pastorius, Weather Report es Weather Report (sin contar con el genial Joe Zawinul).
mercaderdevenecia 2 years ago
It's very well done, but WR without Wayne and Jaco is just a cover band
pretorious700 2 years ago
Johnson played bass on the original version!! (Yes, there was life before Jaco.)
KrisKraft101 2 years ago 5
I'm a big fan of AJ, I used to own his solo albums, but I vastly prefer Jaco's writing and playing-just personal preference really.
pretorious700 2 years ago 2
No, I agree that Jaco took them to a new level -- and vice-versa. But AJ definitely has a right to be there.
KrisKraft101 2 years ago 2
By the way -- I saw them in the EARLY 70s, when Miroslav Vitouš was playing upright bass & using wah-wah & other electronic effects. They were BROKE & played a fundraiser at the Bitter End in NYC. So our whole band went down & sat about 10 feet away & said "WHAT THE F*#!!?. Hey, who knew?
KrisKraft101 2 years ago 11
wow. just wow.
TheBitterWeed 2 years ago 2
My name is myroslav and i play bass too :)
mizz0012 2 years ago
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uriahheep108 5 months ago
absolutely not
TheHib999 2 years ago
Yeah Alphonso was before Jaco in the band.
Gossage54 2 years ago
the sax is fuckin jammmmmmin omg
justinbontje 2 years ago 19
@justinbontje The Sax player is over-doin' it and is not a patch on WS.
popliphaha 1 year ago
Narada Michael Walden is a monster. More talent in one finger than most drummers have on all four limbs. Check out his Mahavishnu clips to see what transhuman drumming is. What a shame he has mostly produced popular music and given up drumming, unlike Billy Cobham who continues to pound it out. Narada, drummer, RIP (Narada, the man, hope you live a long, long time.)
TachyonDrums 2 years ago
Narada Michael Walden in this clip is marvelous!
danpage79 2 years ago
this is a funkier version of black market...
great, just great
think i like it more than the others...mainly because of alphonso on bass
dansaghin1 2 years ago
U preffer that guy over Jaco?
razveck 2 years ago
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I totaly agree with you!
peteruertz 2 years ago
In the line of great, innovative bass players, Alphonso comes before Jaco. And he was in WR before Jaco. The drummer here, Narada Michael Walden, was in WR briefly, for two tunes on Black Market (including the title tune) and had previously played with the Mahavishnu Orchestra. Acuna plays full drums on one WR record.
funkydrumr51 2 years ago
Sorry!It's '95.???Weather Report ??
noznoznoz 2 years ago
Alphonso Johnson !
grate!
but not '95.
noznoznoz 2 years ago
Alphonso is one of my teachers. He's probably the coolest acting person I have ever met.
Jazzman303 2 years ago
they did this the year i was born!
lolgiggetyroflomg 2 years ago
Definitivamente Weather Report es toda una Institucion del Jazz. Bravo!
metatron62 2 years ago
Jaco was such an extroverted talent, that he needed to coexist with less restrictive circumstances as a canvas for what he was doing. He was trying to bring a fresh point of view from an instrumnet that had a background status, and push a new direction from a new style of musical entity.
WR was strong before and after Jaco, but it had a unique flavor with him, that cannot be denied.
free2bpoppie 2 years ago
For sure, Jaco was a bad ass mother fucker, but unfortunately he started to repeat himself, and mental illness eventually got him :(
cromagmax 2 years ago
what a jam!
Foppa921 2 years ago
Al Johnson was deeper than Jaco (who was brilliant but unhidden). this rhythm section is ballsy from 2' - 4' off the hook bass and drums, just chaotic, ready to explode/fall apart like Janis Joplin.
socrates1818 2 years ago 2
Oh, thank you, socrates1818...
Usually, I don't write much here but WR is my No 1 EVER, and all this 'Jaco mania' drives me (almost) crazy. To me (and most of the THEN critics, the absolutely best WR stuff comes from 1971 - 76. (to me, personally, 73-76.)
Pastorius was a genius and probably the best bass PLAYER ever but didn't really bring much CREATIVELY to WR. His joining the band, sadly, marked the beginning of the slow decline of this amazing band.
PrZemek44 2 years ago
Greetings Mr. PrZemek.
Now i understand a lil bit more the basis in your perspective about this "Jaco-Weather Report" topic (anyway, i still respect it).
But in my opinion. I think this "Jaco-Zawinul" combo gave at WR, of course; the popularity (obviously given by Jaco's "eccentricityies") but most of all, the enrichment of the WR tunes by the musical perspective Jaco had.
Maybe i think this 'cause of the "afro-cuban-latin style" WR got "increased" since Jaco's entrance.
Cheers y A DARLE, man.
SrBridges 2 years ago
Nothing against 'afro-cuban-latin-style', my friend. All for... OK, sophisticated may sound aloof, but more interesting music. The point is, you have to be really patient and listen many times to the same tune to get it, otherwise it doesn't seem to make much sense. Back in my time, we had all year to get to know ONE album, now if you, younger fans, listen to all of it at once, there is no way you ever get it. And it's your loss b/c THAT music (71-76) is amazing... Try it, one song at a time.
PrZemek44 2 years ago
Oh, Black Market, Three Clowns, Elegant People were still 'close to this old style'. But studio versions, don't like this one.
PrZemek44 2 years ago
Hehehe. Good point, fellow. And it's quite interesting to read your whole comment.
Maybe we, "young fans", have a more "popular conception" of WR music. But in my "short experience" i've found that music, in a "band-group" perspective, goes beyond individuals. And i've got to admit that my first impression from WR came from the Jaco era. Maybe that's why is hard for me to catch your very own perspective (besides a well marked generation line between us ;D)
Music's been made for being appreciated
SrBridges 2 years ago
You are definitively a Shit, my friend!
romainlabaye 2 years ago
You're making a pretty good point here, friends of Shits. Bravo! Anything else?
PrZemek44 2 years ago
This comment has received too many negative votes show
John Entwistle was voted by other professional bass players as the, "BASSIST OF THE MILLENIUM", enough said.
commieobama 2 years ago
This is good but better came when the space opened up. Narada was playing Maha style. The beauty is the space btw the notes and that takes a lot of maturity, like the jaco line up
ecohouse 2 years ago
This is o.k. but I think the best lineup is Jaco, Wayne, Jose, and Acuna.
I'm going out on a limb here but, Billy Cobham was never in WR right, if he was that would've been boss!
Moodylovesbears 2 years ago
where is wayne??? hehe
tibert 2 years ago
quite right ... Weather report is weather report only when Shorter and Zawinul play. Some persons say that pastorius is the soul of WR. That's not the true. Jaco is probably one of the best bass player ever but ... Well, this soxophonist is awful, he doesn't respect the way shoter used to play.
Too many notes, i think...
SymphonieZeuhl 2 years ago
Plus this drummer wears a very faggy hat. Erskine or Acuna would never have done that.
kukenimunnen 2 years ago
You ARE kidding about the "faggy hat" comment, right?
Willowde 2 years ago 2
No, IT IS a faggy hat.
kukenimunnen 2 years ago
kirk whalum is NOT awful he is a great tenor saxophonist in his own right and he played the song in his style which is in itself a mark of a great saxophonist - he doesnt try to imitate shorter. and seriously....faggy hat? just enjoy good musicianship and stop being rediculous.
jabari22 2 years ago 3
You are the faggy hat, faggy hat.
kukenimunnen 2 years ago
Narada Michael Walden is one of my favorite WR drummers, he contributed alot both as a percussionist and a drummer. Alphonso is also highly appriciated. :)
SigDrums 2 years ago
Not many people give credit to alphonso johnson's contributions to weather report, just jaco
kmish213 2 years ago 3
i second that...and god knows i think jaco deserves every ounce of credit he gets/got, but alfonso is a truly beautiful bassist.
gschmittmusic 2 years ago 2
Narada Michael Walden is my favorite drummer of all time hands down.
Rddef9 2 years ago
que buena cancion!!!!!!!!!!
Arnoldbassguitar 2 years ago
does anyone know what bass alphonso jhonson is playing ? it seems quite like a alembic, but i'm not sure. The only thing i know about this bass is that it sounds pretty great !
musicplayer69 2 years ago
It looks to me like a very early Modulus fretless.
fodera6 2 years ago
@fodera6
I think thi sis the bass he played back in the day with weather report. In that case it is a custom hand made bass. Check out his article from the early 70's in Downbeat, he talks about that bass in the article.
thmsjordan 1 year ago
Musicplayer59 - I recall in a Downbeat interview from the late 70's Al Johnson stating that he had his instruments handmade for him. My guess - It is likely that this bass is a one off original.
BTW +1 on the sound. Al Johnson's recordings from this period are my fav for Fretless tone !
thmsjordan 2 years ago
kirk whalum sucks
salinasbeat 1 year ago
@salinasbeat , what do you do for a living, sell cherry at the fruit market???
i guess you play better the sax...
dansaghin1 1 year ago
Thank fuck thats your last reply cos you sound more of a prick with every comment Try not speaking to people like your the only one who plays a musical instument To mention how long you've played as if it gives you more authority in your argument is arrogant
nipperooney 2 years ago
WHAT A PAIR OF FUCKING CLOWNS!!!
grazer770 2 years ago
grazer770 the reason you suggested to call it quits with rwlane was because he fucked you hands down & he's totally right
there was bass playing before & after Jaco .Jimi changed guitar Jaco changed the bass
nipperooney 2 years ago
see reply to rwlane
grazer770 2 years ago
Ok checkout Punk Jazz track 3 with Little Beaver , in fact checkout the whole thing & then get back to me & point out the gimmicks & then post yourself playing cos you must be fuckin awesome to be able to say a lot of what Jaco Pastorius played was gimmicky
nipperooney 2 years ago
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viva el Perú carajo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Arnoldbassguitar 2 years ago
Zawinul like everybody ,knew the best time for WP was when Jaco was there , he clearly hated that . Joe was a great musician but his arrogance was sometimes to much . I to only have WP albums with Jaco on . If you look through all WP videos on Youtube Jaco comments win by miles . RIP The worlds greatest bass player
nipperooney 3 years ago
...and you call Zawinul arrogant-! The best time for Jaco was when he was with Zawinul - he just couldn't keep it togetrher on his own -and before you get all upitee his illness is well documented and very sad and no one should die the way he did - only in america eh - have one of the most original bass players the world has ever seen and let him waste away and be murdered - only in america...
stevebatjazzex 3 years ago 2
How many heroine addicts have you tried to help?
pnisvgina 2 years ago
...you cretin - he was bi-polar not a heroine addict - you want me to introduce you to his family i'm sure they would appreciate that shit...
stevebatjazzex 2 years ago
Never said he wasn't bi polar. Yes he did purchase heroine from my uncle (who is dead also) RIP.
pnisvgina 2 years ago
absolutely right...that stuff only happens here. oh, the obligatory god bless america! and keep voting for the two parties numbskulls. whatever you do, don't "throw away your vote" by voting for a true public-servant. hooray, america!
maddsri 2 years ago
i dont think he was arrogant, more annoyed of peoples ignorance. as a begining bass player, around the time of heavy weather, i too was smitten by jacos sound and dexterity. just as jaco wanted to be the "jimmi hendrix of the bass" i wanted to be the next jaco. but as i developed and matured as a musician i began to realise that a lot of what he did was gimmicky. but that is what grabs your attention and makes you listen. jaco may well be "the greatest bass player ever". but not most talented
grazer770 2 years ago
what you say doesn't add up. Gimmicky? thats just way off man. Watch his tutorial video and tell me it's gimmicky...Jaco was way ahead. I'd rather take Herbie Hancocks word over yours anyway. Keep practising.
rwlane 2 years ago
thanks for reply. well funny you should say that about herbie because my all time favourite jaco composition is "continuum", that herbie played on. and he played on herbies record "4am".
and i can honestly say , without a shadow of a doubt, paul jacksons style and talent is far better suited to herbies sound. its just that i prefer my basses to sound bassy. but you cant really say an apple is better than an orange. thanks, i will keep practicing.
grazer770 2 years ago
i know what your saying - one mans meat etc. but you never addressed the "gimmicky" question?. and i think its obvious the contribution jaco made to the bass instrument and music in general, will outweigh paul jackson, victor wooten or anyone else who came along. Plus he was funny with it.
rwlane 2 years ago
what did i mean by gimmicky? over use of harmonics for one. over playing is gimmicky to me. as a bass player i know how ridiculously easy it is to impress people by doing all the flashy stuff but useless if you cant groove. which he could! so in one sense he did dumb it down a bit ( he was not jimmi hendrix ). no doubt about his contribution to the bass guitar and market . also a lot of what he played was not his own but he made it his with his sound so you cant argue with that. thanks
grazer770 2 years ago
" doing all the flashy stuff is useless if you can't groove-which he could" a tad non sensical if i might be so bold.. it strikes me that you see Jaco in the same way people come to see most genius. It gets over familiar and therefore breeds contempt. But it doesn't diminish the initial impact.....There ARE other great players, no doubt about it, but the fundamental thing is that HE changed the instrument forever.
ps you dont have to be a bass player to be guilty of over playing
rwlane 2 years ago
if you didnt understand then i couldnt have made it clear. listen mate i have had these types of arguements with beatle and elvis fans when they just cant see past there idols and would have you believe music didnt exist before them, maybe it didnt for them. call it quits cause we will go round in circles. and we havent even got around to stanley clarkes gimmicks!
grazer770 2 years ago 2
damn right you never made it clear. none of your comments have ever made a real point.
It's presumptious, not to mention short-sighted, to assume that i idolise ANYBODY. To me, it just shows your conceit to anybody elses musical tastes.
Mate.
rwlane 2 years ago
i was responding to a point about what someone had said joe zawinul had said about jaco. and having played music myself for thirty odd years, i said i could see what he (joe) means and he may have a point. so if you want to argue against him then i would say you are arrogant. but i just think you want to argue for arguments sake buddy, so this will be the last reply.
grazer770 2 years ago
that makes the least sense out of all of 'em...
rwlane 2 years ago
this is not the forum for an in depth discussion. so if i didnt make it clear please dont worry about it. you dont make sense to me either. feel free to get the last word in.
grazer770 2 years ago
whatever
rwlane 2 years ago
I just wanted to support grazer on the remark about Paul Jackson - what a fantastic player that guy is !! There is such depth in what he does. Ya know - I can copy Jaco to some degree (though not to his level of genius), but I can't even come close to copping Paul Jackson. IMHO- Both of these guys are pure genious and it is apples and oranges to me but wow - Jackson got da funk !!.
thmsjordan 2 years ago
thanks for your comment.
jackson had an amazing sense of syncopation and that fender precision tone was unique.
although i didnt think much of this track am hearing more of alphonso's solo stuff.
again another seriously under estimated player.
grazer770 2 years ago
questa versione di black market la trovo strepitosa...narada per me una scoperta, e il sassofonista a dir poco eccezionale
ziomario64 3 years ago
Great.
minagiruSeries 3 years ago
So did Zaminul just say "ok Kirk you take this one". This seemed (in my mind, I'm not asking anyone to agree with me) like a father taking his son to the park to shoot some hoops then lowering the height so the kid can do as many slam dunks as he wants, then calling his friends over to set him up perfect for lay-ups. I don't know... maybe I'm way off...
madpop17 3 years ago
I miss Jaco... :'(
IgenDjuret 3 years ago 2
I don't. Alphonse Johnson suits far better for Zawinul's purposes
Lokakuunmaa 2 years ago
That song ended to soon. Those guys were going off! Great jam. The drummer is amazing. To bad there was no Jaco. Anymore on this concert???
raylopez1961 3 years ago
Hi fodera6! You wish it were longer-I wish it was shorter...
kakadua7 3 years ago
yes, like me, you wish it was longer, I wish it was Shorter ;)
JazzzPianist 3 years ago
Hear that 2:20~ Sax is talking we should probably listen. The whole group added a special dynamic to the eclectic sound that we hear. Wasn't one person!!
Deee36 3 years ago
My bad I meant Joe Zawinul.
groovemon 3 years ago
I met Joe Wazanul at the Grammies 2004 in New York before he passed. That was a honor to be in his presence.
groovemon 3 years ago
who the hell is Joe Wazanul
willdoseago 3 years ago