Oh, and by the way, in Roddenberry's future, there's a one world government -- a one world DEMOCRACY (google the term, United Earth, and cross reference that with Star Trek) -- so suck on THAT, you libertarian skkkum!
White folks have an aversion to calling Starfleet/The Federation commies because
a) Starfleet/The Federation are the GOOD guys in Star Trek
b) as white Americans, they've been BRAINWASHED into "thinking" Stalin is SUPPOSEDLY all there is to communism, which is as RETARDED as "thinking" the Religious Right is supposedly all there is to Christianity
God, schooling you people is exhausting
"I get so tired -- working so hard for our survival..."
"In his vision of the future, [Roddenberry] pushed the principles of equality a little further forward. In Star Trek equality is kinetic, quick and real. It is not equal opportunity, but equal reality. It means that everyone's stomach IS full, not potentially full & that everyone's home is a decent place to live."
--Yvonne Fern,The Last Conversation (University of California Press, 1994)
She was with him when he died.If anybody knows it's HER
Social progress is AT LEAST 75% of the equation. Star Trek clearly shows the Ferengi, the Cardassians and other hostiles with the same level of technology as the Federation but the Ferengi are GREEDY scumbags and the Cardassians are worse than the CIA (if that's even possible), so it's NOT what you got (technology), its HOW YOU USE IT AND WHY (sociology).
"In terms of socialism, there is a lot to be learned from Scandinavia ... In countries like Finland, Norway, Denmark, poverty has almost been eliminated. All people have healthcare as a right of citizenship. College education is available to all people, regardless of income, virtually free. They have a lot of political participation, high voter turnouts."
"Critics who CLAIM that the European model is too expensive or economically inefficient have been allowed to pass unchallenged. And yet, the welfare state is as popular as ever with its beneficiaries: NOWHERE in Europe is there a constituencey for abolishing public health services, ending free or subsidized education or reducing public provision of transport and other essential services."
Oh, and by the way, in Roddenberry's future, there's a one world government -- a one world DEMOCRACY (google the term, United Earth, and cross reference that with Star Trek) -- so suck on THAT, you libertarian skkkum!
White folks have an aversion to calling Starfleet/The Federation commies because
a) Starfleet/The Federation are the GOOD guys in Star Trek
b) as white Americans, they've been BRAINWASHED into "thinking" Stalin is SUPPOSEDLY all there is to communism, which is as RETARDED as "thinking" the Religious Right is supposedly all there is to Christianity
God, schooling you people is exhausting
"I get so tired -- working so hard for our survival ..."
"In his vision of the future, [Roddenberry] pushed the principles of equality a little further forward. In Star Trek equality is kinetic, quick and real. It is not equal opportunity, but equal reality. It means that everyone's stomach IS full, not potentially full & that everyone's home is a decent place to live."
--Yvonne Fern, The Last Conversation (University of California Press, 1994)
She was with him when he died.If anybody knows it's HER
Social progress is AT LEAST 75% of the equation. Star Trek clearly shows the Ferengi, the Cardassians and other hostiles with the same level of technology as the Federation but the Ferengi are GREEDY scumbags and the Cardassians are worse than the CIA (if that's even possible), so it's NOT what you got (technology), its HOW YOU USE IT AND WHY (sociology).
"I don't mean the 'socialism' of any other oppressive regime claiming to be socialist. Rather, a genuine socialism which not only distributes the wealth but maintains liberty."
"In terms of socialism, there is a lot to be learned from Scandinavia ... In countries like Finland, Norway, Denmark, poverty has almost been eliminated. All people have healthcare as a right of citizenship. College education is available to all people, regardless of income, virtually free. They have a lot of political participation, high voter turnouts."
"Critics who CLAIM that the European model is too expensive or economically inefficient have been allowed to pass unchallenged. And yet, the welfare state is as popular as ever with its beneficiaries: NOWHERE in Europe is there a constituencey for abolishing public health services, ending free or subsidized education or reducing public provision of transport and other essential services."
Oh, and by the way, in Roddenberry's future, there's a one world government -- a one world DEMOCRACY (google the term, United Earth, and cross reference that with Star Trek) -- so suck on THAT, you libertarian skkkum!
White folks have an aversion to calling Starfleet/The Federation commies because
a) Starfleet/The Federation are the GOOD guys in Star Trek
b) as white Americans, they've been BRAINWASHED into "thinking" Stalin is SUPPOSEDLY all there is to communism, which is as RETARDED as "thinking" the Religious Right is supposedly all there is to Christianity.
God, schooling you people is exhausting
"I get so tired -- working so hard for our survival ..."
"In his vision of the future, [Roddenberry] pushed the principles of equality a little further forward. In Star Trek equality is kinetic, quick and real. It is not equal opportunity, but equal reality. It means that everyone's stomach IS full, not potentially full & that everyone's home is a decent place to live."
--Yvonne Fern, The Last Conversation (University of California Press, 1994)
She was with him when he died.If anybody knows it's HER
Social progress is AT LEAST 75% of the equation. Star Trek clearly shows the Ferengi, the Cardassians and other hostiles with the same level of technology as the Federation but the Ferengi are GREEDY scumbags and the Cardassians are worse than the CIA (if that's even possible), so it's NOT what you got (technology), its HOW YOU USE IT AND WHY (sociology).
"I don't mean the 'socialism' of any other oppressive regime claiming to be socialist. Rather, a genuine socialism which not only distributes the wealth but maintains liberty."
"In terms of socialism, there is a lot to be learned from Scandinavia ... In countries like Finland, Norway, Denmark, poverty has almost been eliminated. All people have healthcare as a right of citizenship. College education is available to all people, regardless of income, virtually free. They have a lot of political participation, high voter turnouts."
"Critics who CLAIM that the European model is too expensive or economically inefficient have been allowed to pass unchallenged. And yet, the welfare state is as popular as ever with its beneficiaries: NOWHERE in Europe is there a constituencey for abolishing public health services, ending free or subsidized education or reducing public provision of transport and other essential services."
Oh, and by the way, in Roddenberry's future, there's a one world government -- a one world DEMOCRACY (google the term, United Earth and cross reference that with Star Trek) -- so suck on THAT, you libertarian skkkum!
White folks have an aversion to calling Starfleet/The Federation commies because
a) Starfleet/The Federation are the GOOD guys in Star Trek
b) as white Americans, they've been BRAINWASHED into "thinking" Stalin is SUPPOSEDLY all there is to communism, which is as RETARDED as "thinking" the Religious Right is supposedly all there is to Christianity.
God, schooling you people is exhausting
"I get so tired -- working so hard for our survival ..."
"In his vision of the future, [Roddenberry] pushed the principles of equality a little further forward. In Star Trek equality is kinetic, quick and real. It is not equal opportunity, but equal reality. It means that everyone's stomach IS full, not potentially full & that everyone's home is a decent place to live."
--Yvonne Fern, The Last Conversation (University of California Press, 1994)
She was with him when he died.If anybody knows, it's HER
Social progress is AT LEAST 75% of the equation. Star Trek clearly shows the Ferengi, the Cardassians and other hostiles with the same level of technology as the Federation but the Ferengi are GREEDY scumbags and the Cardassians are worse than the CIA (if that's even possible), so it's NOT what you got (technology), its HOW YOU USE IT AND WHY (sociology).
"I don't mean the 'socialism' of any other oppressive regime claiming to be socialist. Rather, a genuine socialism which not only distributes the wealth but maintains liberty."
"In terms of socialism, there is a lot to be learned from Scandinavia ... In countries like Finland, Norway, Denmark, poverty has almost been eliminated. All people have healthcare as a right of citizenship. College education is available to all people, regardless of income, virtually free. They have a lot of political participation, high voter turnouts."
"Critics who CLAIM that the European model is too expensive or economically inefficient have been allowed to pass unchallenged. And yet, the welfare state is as popular as ever with its beneficiaries: NOWHERE in Europe is there a constituencey for abolishing public health services, ending free or subsidized education or reducing public provision of transport and other essential services."
Oh, and by the way, in Roddenberry's future, there's a one world government -- a one world DEMOCRACY (google the term, United Earth and cross reference that with Star Trek) -- so suck on THAT, you libertarian skkkum!
White folks have an aversion to calling Starfleet/The Federation commies because
a) Starfleet/The Federation are the GOOD guys in Star Trek
b) as white Americans, they've been BRAINWASHED into "thinking" Stalin is SUPPOSEDLY all there is to communism, which is as RETARDED as "thinking" the Religious Right is supposedly all there is to Christianity.
God, schooling you people is exhausting
"I get so tired -- working so hard for our survival ..."
"In his vision of the future, [Roddenberry] pushed the principles of equality a little further forward. In Star Trek equality is kinetic, quick and real. It is not equal opportunity, but equal reality. It means that everyone's stomach IS full, not potentially full; & that everyone's home is a decent place to live."
--Yvonne Fern, The Last Conversation (University of California Press, 1994)
She was with him when he died.If anybody knows, it's HER
Social progress is AT LEAST 75% of the equation. Star Trek clearly shows the Ferengi, the Cardassians and other hostiles with the same level of technology as the Federation but the Ferengi are GREEDY scumbags and the Cardassians are worse than the CIA (if that's even possible), so it's NOT what you got (technology), its HOW YOU USE IT AND WHY (sociology).
"I don't mean the 'socialism' of any other oppressive regime claiming to be socialist. Rather, a genuine socialism which not only distributes the wealth but maintains liberty."
"In terms of socialism, there is a lot to be learned from Scandinavia ... In countries like Finland, Norway, Denmark, poverty has almost been eliminated. All people have healthcare as a right of citizenship. College education is available to all people, regardless of income, virtually free. They have a lot of political participation, high voter turnouts."
"Critics who CLAIM that the European model is too expensive or economically inefficient have been allowed to pass unchallenged. And yet, the welfare state is as popular as ever with its beneficiaries: NOWHERE in Europe is there a constituencey for abolishing public health services, ending free or subsidized education or reducing public provision of transport and other essential services."
Star trek is not post scarcity, Socialism is not about superabundance. Rather, its the inverse of capitalism. under capitalism, the opulent reduce their own scarcity by increasing everyone else's. as it stands, there is still no scientific practicality for impoverishing the many so the few can live extraordinarily luxurious lives. simply no logic to it nor economic justification at all. its simply here by virtue of tyranny, not right.
"Star trek is not post scarcity, Socialism is not about superabundance. Rather, its the inverse of capitalism."
THANK YOU. Scarcity was NEVER the issue, anyway! Corporate GREED is! Trying to maintain MTV Cribs lifestyles/MC Hammer mansions for 1% of the population while everyone else is FORCED to play king-of-the-hill ..? I doN'T think so. In Star Trek, it works like this:
NO mansions!
NO homeless!
If a three-bedroom-two-bath ain't good enough for ya, FUCK OFF!
Oh, and by the way, in Roddenberry's future, there's a one world government -- a one world DEMOCRACY (google the term, United Earth and cross reference that with Star Trek) -- so suck on THAT, you libertarian skkkum!
White folks have an aversion to calling Starfleet/The Federation commies because
a) Starfleet/The Federation are the GOOD guys in Star Trek
b) as white Americans, they've been BRAINWASHED into "thinking" Stalin is SUPPOSEDLY all there is to communism, which is as RETARDED as "thinking" the Religious Right is supposedly all there is to Christianity.
God, schooling you people is exhausting
"I get so tired -- working so hard for our survival ..."
"In his vision of the future, [Roddenberry] pushed the principles of equality a little further forward. In Star Trek equality is kinetic, quick and real. It is not equal opportunity, but equal reality. It means that everyone's stomach IS full, not potentially full; & that everyone's home is a decent place to live."
--Yvonne Fern, The Last Conversation (University of California Press, 1994)
She was with him when he died. If anybody knows, it's HER
Social progress is AT LEAST 75% of the equation. Star Trek clearly shows the Ferengi, the Cardassians and other hostiles with the same level of technology as the Federation but the Ferengi are GREEDY scumbags and the Cardassians are worse than the CIA (if that's even possible), so it's NOT what you got (technology), its HOW YOU USE IT AND WHY (sociology).
"I don't mean the 'socialism' of any other oppressive regime claiming to be socialist. Rather, a genuine socialism which not only distributes the wealth but maintains liberty."
"In terms of socialism, there is a lot to be learned from Scandinavia ... In countries like Finland, Norway, Denmark, poverty has almost been eliminated. All people have healthcare as a right of citizenship. College education is available to all people, regardless of income, virtually free. They have a lot of political participation, high voter turnouts."
"Critics who CLAIM that the European model is too expensive or economically inefficient have been allowed to pass unchallenged. And yet, the welfare state is as popular as ever with its beneficiaries: NOWHERE in Europe is there a constituencey for abolishing public health services, ending free or subsidized education or reducing public provision of transport and other essential services."
"if you do not agree with the Marxist Doctrine, you are deemed not to be on the side of progress"
CORRECTION: If you're so fucking greedy that you would allow MTV Cribs/MC Hammer mansions to exist while all too many homeless families are sleeping in their cars this winter, you are deemed not to be on the side of progress.
That old kkkoot, "howardz43," will learn this lesson THE HARD WAY when he dies and his soul is cast into the bowels of HELL
There's no proof in that planning isn't better than a random "market." The logistics of moving a group of people into an area, for say an expedition into the rain Forrest or moving troops into an area, then setting up camp, gathering resources, and the "planning" in the use of those resources works perfectly fine. capitalist "logistics" are very selfish, elitist, impractical, unscientific and most of all inhumane. "human nature," "competition," etc are simply ideological excuses for plutocracy
ALL value comes from labor, if you don't believe that then tell me where do buildings, roads, cars and houses come from? do you see the rich man out there with sweat on his back, no you don't. and the materials, where do they come from? there's no rich man out there with a chain saw on ax men. the rich harvest from us as though we are a crop and they are the farmer. well, i say REMIND THEM WE ARE HUMAN and they better put up or shut up, as we are the INDENTURED PROVIDERS
"ALL value comes from labor," YES ! And SINCE that's the case, We the People OWE labor -- we owe labor free universal health care and free colleges for the children of labor! If providing that means we gotta tax the rich, THEN SO BE IT.
howardz43, the ASSumption that human's are inherently bad is no excuse for an unscientific economic system that benefits the few.
your assertion that leftists want to take from those who work and give to those who don't is what capitalism does in practice, thus you are saying capitalists are leftist.
no amount of hard work can "earn" a mufti-million dollar home, however mathematical theft (profit) can acquire it and does.
Marx is the only economist to look at economy from a human perspective
Socialist economics requires central economic planning, and centralized planning inevitably leads toward communist totalitarianism wherein no private property is allowed. The central planning authority has to have powers that impact and ultimately control social life because the knowledge required for centrally planning an economy is inherently decentralized. Such knowledge thus needs to be brought under the central planning committee's control. That, is what the leftists refuse to admit.
@johnniefive80, Justice does not render the same result for everyone. The goal of the Law is not to make everyone 'equal' per what you appear to think. Rather, it is to render justice equally to everyone as their human right. You, sir, appear to want Big Government power to make everyone equal. You are 'the idiot' because people are not all born with the same tendencies, capacities, dispositions, which tend to remain with them for life. No human law or Government can change that.
For if you do not agree with the Marxist Doctrine, you are deemed not to be on the side of progress. The term of distinction reserved for those who have not been visited by the new revelation is the word 'Reactionary'. Literally, the inference is that you are working against progress, in a backward direction. - Bertrand Russell
Capitalism is what enables people as individuals to have the kind of life each one wants in relation to the whole of society according to the quality and kind of effort they put out, not according to what some Big Government dictator and bureaucrats tell you that you can have, and your life has to be like.
Each individual is different and has their own sometimes if not often contradictory desires. Some people want a lot of material things which require a lot of hard work while others do not. Socialism is particularly blind in that regard because it is materialistic and assumes everyone is equally motivated to have the same material things. Capitalism allows individualities in that regard. It allows people to work proportionately in order to have whatever lifestyle they wish.
Oh, and by the way, in Roddenberry's future, there's a one world government -- a one world DEMOCRACY (google the term, United Earth and cross reference that with Star Trek) -- so suck on THAT, you libertarian skkkum!
White folks have an aversion to calling Starfleet/The Federation commies because
a) Starfleet/The Federation are the GOOD guys in Star Trek
b) as white Americans, they've been BRAINWASHED into "thinking" Stalin is SUPPOSEDLY all there is to communism, which is as RETARDED as "thinking" the Religious Right is supposedly all there is to Christianity.
God, schooling you people is exhausting
"I get so tired -- working so hard for our survival ..."
"In his vision of the future, [Roddenberry] pushed the principles of equality a little further forward. In Star Trek equality is kinetic, quick and real. It is not equal opportunity, but equal reality. It means that everyone's stomach IS full, not potentially full; & that everyone's home is a decent place to live."
--Yvonne Fern, The Last Conversation (University of California Press, 1994)
She was with him when he died. If anybody knows, it's HER
Social progress is AT LEAST 75% of the equation. Star Trek clearly shows the Ferengi, the Cardassians and other hostiles with the same level of technology as the Federation but the Ferengi are GREEDY scumbags and the Cardassians are worse than the CIA (if that's even possible), so it's NOT what you got (technology), its HOW YOU USE IT AND WHY (sociology).
"Denmark and Finland have child-poverty levels of less than 3 percent, and are closely followed by Norway and Sweden, thanks to higher levels of social spending. In the U.S., 17 percent of children live in poverty."
--The Seattle Times, 1/4/06
... "higher levels of social spending," which can only be afforded by taxing the rich -- the first step towards Roddenberry's vision of a future Earth devoid of poverty ...
"I don't mean the 'socialism' of any other oppressive regime claiming to be socialist. Rather, a genuine socialism which not only distributes the wealth but maintains liberty."
"In terms of socialism, there is a lot to be learned from Scandinavia ... In countries like Finland, Norway, Denmark, poverty has almost been eliminated. All people have healthcare as a right of citizenship. College education is available to all people, regardless of income, virtually free. They have a lot of political participation, high voter turnouts."
"Critics who CLAIM that the European model is too expensive or economically inefficient have been allowed to pass unchallenged. And yet, the welfare state is as popular as ever with its beneficiaries: NOWHERE in Europe is there a constituencey for abolishing public health services, ending free or subsidized education or reducing public provision of transport and other essential services."
the only way a worker's labor is profitable is if the worker is underpaid, period. therefore, all workers are underpaid or under compensated. we then are sold products and services at a profit, that means those commodities are sold to us at above their actual value. this is systematic impoverishment, this is capitalism.
howardz43, you said " The richest 20% of the U.S. population pays about 38% of all the tax revenues the Government takes in."
and they should pay even more. capitalist economics, specifically the concept of profit, allows the opulent to mathematically acquire more money than they could ever earn through actual and ethical participation in our economy. no one should benefit in our economy without participation and that's EXACTLY what the opulent do, they take without participation.
government is not only the last vestige of our rights, it is the only vestige of our rights. it is continually under siege by the interests of profit (capitalism) to force inhuman practices of wage slavery and plutocratic ideology. capitalism is incompatible with democracy. how democratic is your work place? do the opulent listen to what the people want? they are perfectly content with enjoying what the workers provide. their "prosperity" is born on the backs of the uncompensated workers.
law and government has it's place, it is needed. government is a development more modern than a feudal governance by royalty. a democratic government strives to give all citizens a voice in the decision making process. under capitalism, all society's decisions are more and more controlled by the opulent; as we live under a plutocracy. a plutocracy is not democratic, it is not human-centric and treats the majority of humans as cattle.
The lutz of the left is as done in figure skating. Leftism is based on convoluted theories ignoring the fact that human nature is not basically good. Like a moral Ponzi scheme, leftists try to take from those who have by virtue of hard work to give to those who have not, in order to get control of society without ever first changing the degraded aspects of their own nature. When the left takes over and the bigger the Government, The less people matter as individuals or are even needed.
@johnniefive80, Justice does not render the same result for everyone. The goal of the Law is not to make everyone 'equal' per what you appear to think. Rather, it is to render justice equally to everyone as their human right. You, sir, appear to want Big Government power to make everyone equal. You are 'the idiot' because people are not all born with the same tendencies, capacities, dispositions, which tend to remain with them for life. No human law or Government can change that.
howardz43, to assume that an efficient economy that does not allow the few to monopolize resources (concentration of wealth; rich) effectively eliminating it's by product (poverty) will lead to totalitarianism is an insane assumption and serves only to maintain plutocracy (rule by the rich).
it still stands that no Capitalist ideology can hide the fact that 20% of people enjoy 80% of the resources while 80% of people work to produce those resources
Oh, and by the way, on Roddenberry's future Earth, there's a one world government -- a one world DEMOCRACY -- so suck on THAT, you libertarian skkkum!
White folks have an aversion towards calling Starfleet/The Federation commies because
a) Starfleet/The Federation are the GOOD guys in Star Trek
b) as white Americans, they've been BRAINWASHED into "thinking" Stalin is SUPPOSEDLY all there is to communism, which is as RETARDED as "thinking" the Religious Right is supposedly all there is to Christianity.
God, schooling you people is exhausting
"I get so tired -- working so hard for our survival ..."
"In his vision of the future, [Roddenberry] pushed the principles of equality a little further forward. In Star Trek equality is kinetic, quick and real. It is not equal opportunity, but equal reality. It means that everyone's stomach IS full, not potentially full; & that everyone's home is a decent place to live."
--Yvonne Fern, The Last Conversation (University of California Press, 1994)
She was with him when he died. If anybody knows, it's HER
Social progress is AT LEAST 75% of the equation. Star Trek clearly shows the Ferengi, the Cardassians and other hostiles with the same level of technology as the Federation but the Ferengi are GREEDY scumbags and the Cardassians are worse than the CIA (if that's even possible), so it's NOT what you got (technology), its HOW YOU USE IT AND WHY (sociology).
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Oh, and by the way, in Roddenberry's future, there's a one world government -- a one world DEMOCRACY (google the term, United Earth, and cross reference that with Star Trek) -- so suck on THAT, you libertarian skkkum!
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White folks have an aversion to calling Starfleet/The Federation commies because
a) Starfleet/The Federation are the GOOD guys in Star Trek
b) as white Americans, they've been BRAINWASHED into "thinking" Stalin is SUPPOSEDLY all there is to communism, which is as RETARDED as "thinking" the Religious Right is supposedly all there is to Christianity
God, schooling you people is exhausting
"I get so tired -- working so hard for our survival..."
--Peter Gabriel, In Your Eyes
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"Social action must be animated by a vision of a future society."
--Professor Noam Chomsky
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"In his vision of the future, [Roddenberry] pushed the principles of equality a little further forward. In Star Trek equality is kinetic, quick and real. It is not equal opportunity, but equal reality. It means that everyone's stomach IS full, not potentially full & that everyone's home is a decent place to live."
--Yvonne Fern,The Last Conversation (University of California Press, 1994)
She was with him when he died.If anybody knows it's HER
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"[In StarTrek] there is no pay for any work because one works for the love of it & no other reason."
--Yvonne Fern, The Last Conversation
...Star Trek characters - the GOOD guys (Starfleet/the Federation) - BARTER their LABORS of LOVE...
"When the New World Economy took shape in the late 22nd century & money went the way of the dinosaur, Fort Knox was turned into a museum."
--from the Star Trek: Voyager episode, Dark Frontier
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"Money is a terrible thing. Why do people work at jobs in Star Trek? Why does someone become a baker? Because the family is going to starve to death? No. People become bakers because certain people love the smell of things baking."
--Gene Roddenberry
Gillian Taylor: Don't tell me they don't use money in the 23rd century?
Captain Kirk: Well, we doN'T.
--Star Trek IV:The Voyage Home
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Jake Sisko: I sold my 1st book.
Quark: How much did you get for it?
Jake Sisko: It's just a figure of speech.
--from the DS9 episode, You Are Cordially Invited
...a figure of speech! Jake got "paid" by the Federation's honor system: He BARTERS his LABOR of LOVE for someone ELSE'S labor of love...
Nog: What does that mean exactly?
Jake Sisko: It means we don't need money.
--from the DS9 episode, In the Cards
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Replicators, protein resequencers & bio-matter-whatever will NOT change the FACT that SOCIOLOGY, NOT technology, defines Star Trek...
"[Proof of aliens] unites Humanity in a way no one ever thought possible when they realize they're not alone in the universe. Poverty, disease, war, they'll all be gone in 50 years."
--Star Trek: First Contact
...it's the decision to SHARE; to put people ABOVE profits!
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Social progress is AT LEAST 75% of the equation. Star Trek clearly shows the Ferengi, the Cardassians and other hostiles with the same level of technology as the Federation but the Ferengi are GREEDY scumbags and the Cardassians are worse than the CIA (if that's even possible), so it's NOT what you got (technology), its HOW YOU USE IT AND WHY (sociology).
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Fans imagine bizarre aliens, far-fetched technology & mysterious anomalies in the space-time continuum, but when it comes to imagining a future Earth devoid of poverty, suddenly y'all come down with a bad case of writer's block? As the ChurchLady from SaturdayNightLive would say: "How convenient (for the taxphobic corporate elite, that is)!" The hypocrisy is highly suspicious ...
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"It'll take $30 billion a year to eliminate global hunger.For the price of the WallStreetBailout we could make sure NO one on Earth goes hungry."
--The Institute 4 Food & Development Policy
...there's NO hunger on Roddenberry's future Earth...
"War, disease, hunger? Pretty much wiped 'em out."
--"Trip" Tucker, Star Trek: Enterprise
...so SOMEone in the future told Wall Street to fuck itself!
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"Denmark and Finland have child-poverty levels of less than 3 percent, and are closely followed by Norway and Sweden, thanks to higher levels of social spending. In the U.S., 17 percent of children live in poverty."
--The Seattle Times, 1/4/06
... "higher levels of social spending," which can only be afforded by taxing the rich -- the first step towards Roddenberry's vision of a future Earth devoid of poverty ...
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"When people here thought about socialism they were thinking about the Soviet Union. Now they think about Scandinavia. People understand I'm talking about democratic socialism."
--US Senator Bernie Sanders
"I don't mean the 'socialism' of any other oppressive regime claiming to be socialist. Rather, a genuine socialism which not only distributes the wealth but maintains liberty."
--Prof. Howard Zinn
THAT'S Star Trek!
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"In terms of socialism, there is a lot to be learned from Scandinavia ... In countries like Finland, Norway, Denmark, poverty has almost been eliminated. All people have healthcare as a right of citizenship. College education is available to all people, regardless of income, virtually free. They have a lot of political participation, high voter turnouts."
--United States Senator Bernie Sanders, 11/8/06
... Scandinavia today, Star Trek tomorrow ...
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"Critics who CLAIM that the European model is too expensive or economically inefficient have been allowed to pass unchallenged. And yet, the welfare state is as popular as ever with its beneficiaries: NOWHERE in Europe is there a constituencey for abolishing public health services, ending free or subsidized education or reducing public provision of transport and other essential services."
--The New York Review of Books, 4/10/10
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Oh, and by the way, in Roddenberry's future, there's a one world government -- a one world DEMOCRACY (google the term, United Earth, and cross reference that with Star Trek) -- so suck on THAT, you libertarian skkkum!
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White folks have an aversion to calling Starfleet/The Federation commies because
a) Starfleet/The Federation are the GOOD guys in Star Trek
b) as white Americans, they've been BRAINWASHED into "thinking" Stalin is SUPPOSEDLY all there is to communism, which is as RETARDED as "thinking" the Religious Right is supposedly all there is to Christianity
God, schooling you people is exhausting
"I get so tired -- working so hard for our survival ..."
--Peter Gabriel, In Your Eyes
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"Social action must be animated by a vision of a future society."
--Professor Noam Chomsky
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"In his vision of the future, [Roddenberry] pushed the principles of equality a little further forward. In Star Trek equality is kinetic, quick and real. It is not equal opportunity, but equal reality. It means that everyone's stomach IS full, not potentially full & that everyone's home is a decent place to live."
--Yvonne Fern, The Last Conversation (University of California Press, 1994)
She was with him when he died.If anybody knows it's HER
TheGreenVoter 1 day ago
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"[In StarTrek] there is no pay for any work because one works for the love of it & no other reason."
--Yvonne Fern, The Last Conversation
...Star Trek's characters - the GOOD guys (Starfleet/the Federation) - BARTER their LABORS of LOVE...
"When the New World Economy took shape in the late 22nd century & money went the way of the dinosaur, Fort Knox was turned into a museum."
--from the Star Trek: Voyager episode, Dark Frontier
TheGreenVoter 1 day ago
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"Money is a terrible thing. Why do people work at jobs in Star Trek? Why does someone become a baker? Because the family is going to starve to death? No. People become bakers because certain people love the smell of things baking."
--Gene Roddenberry
Gillian Taylor: Don't tell me they don't use money in the 23rd century?
Captain Kirk: Well, we doN'T.
--Star Trek IV:The Voyage Home
TheGreenVoter 1 day ago
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Jake Sisko: I sold my 1st book.
Quark: How much did you get for it?
Jake Sisko: It's just a figure of speech.
--from the DS9 episode, You Are Cordially Invited
...a figure of speech! Jake got "paid" by the Federation's honor system: He BARTERS his LABOR of LOVE for someone ELSE'S labor of love...
Nog: What does that mean exactly?
Jake Sisko: It means we don't need money.
--from the DS9 episode, In the Cards
TheGreenVoter 1 day ago
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Replicators, protein resequencers & bio-matter-whatever will NOT change the FACT that SOCIOLOGY, NOT technology, defines Star Trek...
"[Proof of aliens] unites Humanity in a way no one ever thought possible when they realize they're not alone in the universe. Poverty, disease, war, they'll all be gone in 50 years."
--Star Trek: First Contact
...it's the decision to SHARE; to put people ABOVE profits!
TheGreenVoter 1 day ago
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Social progress is AT LEAST 75% of the equation. Star Trek clearly shows the Ferengi, the Cardassians and other hostiles with the same level of technology as the Federation but the Ferengi are GREEDY scumbags and the Cardassians are worse than the CIA (if that's even possible), so it's NOT what you got (technology), its HOW YOU USE IT AND WHY (sociology).
TheGreenVoter 1 day ago
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Fans imagine bizarre aliens, far-fetched technology & mysterious anomalies in the space-time continuum, but when it comes to imagining a future Earth devoid of poverty, suddenly y'all come down with a bad case of writer's block? As the ChurchLady from SaturdayNightLive would say: "How convenient (for the taxphobic corporate elite, that is)!" The hypocrisy is highly suspicious ...
TheGreenVoter 1 day ago
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"It'll take $30 billion a year to eliminate global hunger.For the price of the WallStreetBailout we could make sure NO one on Earth goes hungry."
--The Institute 4 Food & Development Policy
...& there's NO hunger on Roddenberry's future Earth...
"War, disease, hunger? Pretty much wiped 'em out."
--"Trip" Tucker, Star Trek: Enterprise
...so SOMEone in the future told Wall Street to fuck itself!
TheGreenVoter 1 day ago
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"Denmark and Finland have child-poverty levels of less than 3 percent, and are closely followed by Norway and Sweden, thanks to higher levels of social spending. In the U.S., 17 percent of children live in poverty."
--The Seattle Times, 1/4/06
... "higher levels of social spending," which can only be afforded by taxing the rich -- the first step towards Roddenberry's vision of a future Earth devoid of poverty ...
TheGreenVoter 1 day ago
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"When people here thought about socialism they were thinking about the Soviet Union. Now they think about Scandinavia. People understand I'm talking about democratic socialism."
--US Senator Bernie Sanders
"I don't mean the 'socialism' of any other oppressive regime claiming to be socialist. Rather, a genuine socialism which not only distributes the wealth but maintains liberty."
--Prof. Howard Zinn
THAT'S Star Trek!
TheGreenVoter 1 day ago
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"In terms of socialism, there is a lot to be learned from Scandinavia ... In countries like Finland, Norway, Denmark, poverty has almost been eliminated. All people have healthcare as a right of citizenship. College education is available to all people, regardless of income, virtually free. They have a lot of political participation, high voter turnouts."
--United States Senator Bernie Sanders, 11/8/06
... Scandinavia today, Star Trek tomorrow ...
TheGreenVoter 1 day ago
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"Critics who CLAIM that the European model is too expensive or economically inefficient have been allowed to pass unchallenged. And yet, the welfare state is as popular as ever with its beneficiaries: NOWHERE in Europe is there a constituencey for abolishing public health services, ending free or subsidized education or reducing public provision of transport and other essential services."
--The New York Review of Books, 4/10/10
TheGreenVoter 1 day ago
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Oh, and by the way, in Roddenberry's future, there's a one world government -- a one world DEMOCRACY (google the term, United Earth, and cross reference that with Star Trek) -- so suck on THAT, you libertarian skkkum!
TheGreenVoter 1 day ago
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White folks have an aversion to calling Starfleet/The Federation commies because
a) Starfleet/The Federation are the GOOD guys in Star Trek
b) as white Americans, they've been BRAINWASHED into "thinking" Stalin is SUPPOSEDLY all there is to communism, which is as RETARDED as "thinking" the Religious Right is supposedly all there is to Christianity.
God, schooling you people is exhausting
"I get so tired -- working so hard for our survival ..."
--Peter Gabriel, In Your Eyes
TheGreenVoter 1 day ago
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"Social action must be animated by a vision of a future society."
--Professor Noam Chomsky
TheGreenVoter 1 day ago
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"In his vision of the future, [Roddenberry] pushed the principles of equality a little further forward. In Star Trek equality is kinetic, quick and real. It is not equal opportunity, but equal reality. It means that everyone's stomach IS full, not potentially full & that everyone's home is a decent place to live."
--Yvonne Fern, The Last Conversation (University of California Press, 1994)
She was with him when he died.If anybody knows it's HER
TheGreenVoter 1 day ago
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"[In StarTrek] there is no pay for any work because one works for the love of it & no other reason."
--Yvonne Fern, The Last Conversation
...Star Trek's characters - the GOOD guys (Starfleet/the Federation) - BARTER their LABORS of LOVE...
"When the New World Economy took shape in the late 22nd century & money went the way of the dinosaur, Fort Knox was turned into a museum."
--from the Star Trek: Voyager episode, Dark Frontier
TheGreenVoter 1 day ago
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"Money is a terrible thing. Why do people work at jobs in Star Trek? Why does someone become a baker? Because the family is going to starve to death? No. People become bakers because certain people love the smell of things baking."
--Gene Roddenberry
Gillian Taylor: Don't tell me they don't use money in the 23rd century?
Captain Kirk: Well, we doN'T.
--Star Trek IV:The Voyage Home
TheGreenVoter 1 day ago
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Jake Sisko: I sold my 1st book.
Quark: How much did you get for it?
Jake Sisko: It's just a figure of speech.
--from the DS9 episode, You Are Cordially Invited
...a figure of speech! Jake got "paid" by the Federation's honor system: He BARTERS his LABOR of LOVE for someone ELSE'S labor of love...
Nog: What does that mean exactly?
Jake Sisko: It means we don't need money.
--from the DS9 episode, In the Cards
TheGreenVoter 1 day ago
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Replicators, protein resequencers & bio-matter-whatever will NOT change the FACT that SOCIOLOGY, NOT technology, defines Star Trek...
"[Proof of aliens] unites Humanity in a way no one ever thought possible when they realize they're not alone in the universe. Poverty, disease, war, they'll all be gone in 50 years."
--Star Trek: First Contact
...it's the decision to SHARE; to put people ABOVE profits!
TheGreenVoter 1 day ago
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Social progress is AT LEAST 75% of the equation. Star Trek clearly shows the Ferengi, the Cardassians and other hostiles with the same level of technology as the Federation but the Ferengi are GREEDY scumbags and the Cardassians are worse than the CIA (if that's even possible), so it's NOT what you got (technology), its HOW YOU USE IT AND WHY (sociology).
TheGreenVoter 1 day ago
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Fans imagine bizarre aliens, far-fetched technology & mysterious anomalies in the space-time continuum, but when it comes to imagining a future Earth devoid of poverty, suddenly y'all come down with a bad case of writer's block? As the ChurchLady from SaturdayNightLive would say: "How convenient (for the taxphobic corporate elite, that is)!" The hypocrisy is highly suspicious ...
TheGreenVoter 1 day ago
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"It'll take $30 billion a year to eliminate global hunger.For the price of the WallStreetBailout we could make sure NO one on Earth goes hungry."
--The Institute 4 Food & Development Policy
...& there's NO hunger on Roddenberry's future Earth...
"War, disease, hunger? Pretty much wiped 'em out."
--"Trip" Tucker, Star Trek: Enterprise
...so SOMEone in the future told Wall Street to fuck itself!
TheGreenVoter 1 day ago
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"Denmark and Finland have child-poverty levels of less than 3 percent, and are closely followed by Norway and Sweden, thanks to higher levels of social spending. In the U.S., 17 percent of children live in poverty."
--The Seattle Times, 1/4/06
... "higher levels of social spending," which can only be afforded by taxing the rich -- the first step towards Roddenberry's vision of a future Earth devoid of poverty ...
TheGreenVoter 1 day ago
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"When people here thought about socialism they were thinking about the Soviet Union. Now they think about Scandinavia. People understand I'm talking about democratic socialism."
--US Senator Bernie Sanders
"I don't mean the 'socialism' of any other oppressive regime claiming to be socialist. Rather, a genuine socialism which not only distributes the wealth but maintains liberty."
--Prof. Howard Zinn
THAT'S Star Trek!
TheGreenVoter 1 day ago
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"In terms of socialism, there is a lot to be learned from Scandinavia ... In countries like Finland, Norway, Denmark, poverty has almost been eliminated. All people have healthcare as a right of citizenship. College education is available to all people, regardless of income, virtually free. They have a lot of political participation, high voter turnouts."
--United States Senator Bernie Sanders, 11/8/06
... Scandinavia today, Star Trek tomorrow ...
TheGreenVoter 1 day ago
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"Critics who CLAIM that the European model is too expensive or economically inefficient have been allowed to pass unchallenged. And yet, the welfare state is as popular as ever with its beneficiaries: NOWHERE in Europe is there a constituencey for abolishing public health services, ending free or subsidized education or reducing public provision of transport and other essential services."
--The New York Review of Books, 4/10/10
TheGreenVoter 1 day ago
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"People who labor stupidly don't make any money because there is no market for what they do."
... and HOW many FAILED businesses have George Dubya Bush run into the ground?
Oy vey! So sick of this free market FANTASY -- what We the People need is a FAIR market, motherfucker!
TheGreenVoter 1 day ago
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Leftism has never planted the trees of affluence; it only knows how to dispense the fruit. - Dennis Prager
howardz43 1 day ago
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howardz43 1 day ago
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Oh, and by the way, in Roddenberry's future, there's a one world government -- a one world DEMOCRACY (google the term, United Earth and cross reference that with Star Trek) -- so suck on THAT, you libertarian skkkum!
TheGreenVoter 2 days ago
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White folks have an aversion to calling Starfleet/The Federation commies because
a) Starfleet/The Federation are the GOOD guys in Star Trek
b) as white Americans, they've been BRAINWASHED into "thinking" Stalin is SUPPOSEDLY all there is to communism, which is as RETARDED as "thinking" the Religious Right is supposedly all there is to Christianity.
God, schooling you people is exhausting
"I get so tired -- working so hard for our survival ..."
--Peter Gabriel, In Your Eyes
TheGreenVoter 2 days ago
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"Social action must be animated by a vision of a future society."
--Professor Noam Chomsky
TheGreenVoter 2 days ago
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"In his vision of the future, [Roddenberry] pushed the principles of equality a little further forward. In Star Trek equality is kinetic, quick and real. It is not equal opportunity, but equal reality. It means that everyone's stomach IS full, not potentially full & that everyone's home is a decent place to live."
--Yvonne Fern, The Last Conversation (University of California Press, 1994)
She was with him when he died.If anybody knows, it's HER
TheGreenVoter 2 days ago
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"[In StarTrek] there is no pay for any work because one works for the love of it & no other reason."
--Yvonne Fern, The Last Conversation
...Star Trek's characters - the GOOD guys (Starfleet/the Federation) - BARTER their LABORS of LOVE...
"When the New World Economy took shape in the late 22nd century & money went the way of the dinosaur, Fort Knox was turned into a museum."
--from the Star Trek: Voyager episode, Dark Frontier
TheGreenVoter 2 days ago
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"Money is a terrible thing. Why do people work at jobs in Star Trek? Why does someone become a baker? Because the family is going to starve to death? No. People become bakers because certain people love the smell of things baking."
--Gene Roddenberry
Gillian Taylor: Don't tell me they don't use money in the 23rd century?
Captain Kirk: Well, we doN'T.
--Star Trek IV:The Voyage Home
TheGreenVoter 2 days ago
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Jake Sisko: I sold my 1st book.
Quark: How much did you get for it?
Jake Sisko: It's just a figure of speech.
--from the DS9 episode, You Are Cordially Invited
...a figure of speech! Jake got "paid" by the Federation's honor system: He BARTERS his LABOR of LOVE for someone ELSE'S labor of love...
Nog: What does that mean exactly?
Jake Sisko: It means we don't need money.
--from the DS9 episode, In the Cards
TheGreenVoter 2 days ago
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Replicators, protein resequencers & bio-matter-whatever will NOT change the FACT that SOCIOLOGY, NOT technology, defines Star Trek...
"[Proof of aliens] unites Humanity in a way no one ever thought possible when they realize they're not alone in the universe. Poverty, disease, war, they'll all be gone in 50 years."
--Star Trek: First Contact
...it's the decision to SHARE; to put people ABOVE profits!
TheGreenVoter 2 days ago
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Social progress is AT LEAST 75% of the equation. Star Trek clearly shows the Ferengi, the Cardassians and other hostiles with the same level of technology as the Federation but the Ferengi are GREEDY scumbags and the Cardassians are worse than the CIA (if that's even possible), so it's NOT what you got (technology), its HOW YOU USE IT AND WHY (sociology).
TheGreenVoter 2 days ago
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Fans imagine bizarre aliens, far-fetched technology & mysterious anomalies in the space-time continuum, but when it comes to imagining a future Earth devoid of poverty, suddenly y'all come down with a bad case of writer's block? As the ChurchLady from SaturdayNightLive would say: "How convenient (for the taxphobic corporate elite, that is)!" The hypocrisy is highly suspicious ...
TheGreenVoter 2 days ago
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"It'll take $30 billion a year to eliminate global hunger.For the price of the WallStreetBailout we could make sure NO one on Earth goes hungry."
--The Institute 4 Food & Development Policy
...& there's NO hunger on Roddenberry's future Earth...
"War, disease, hunger? Pretty much wiped 'em out."
--"Trip" Tucker, Star Trek: Enterprise
...so SOMEone in the future told Wall Street to fuck itself!
TheGreenVoter 2 days ago
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"Denmark and Finland have child-poverty levels of less than 3 percent, and are closely followed by Norway and Sweden, thanks to higher levels of social spending. In the U.S., 17 percent of children live in poverty."
--The Seattle Times, 1/4/06
... "higher levels of social spending," which can only be afforded by taxing the rich -- the first step towards Roddenberry's vision of a future Earth devoid of poverty ...
TheGreenVoter 2 days ago
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"When people here thought about socialism they were thinking about the Soviet Union. Now they think about Scandinavia. People understand I'm talking about democratic socialism."
--US Senator Bernie Sanders
"I don't mean the 'socialism' of any other oppressive regime claiming to be socialist. Rather, a genuine socialism which not only distributes the wealth but maintains liberty."
--Prof. Howard Zinn
THAT'S Star Trek!
TheGreenVoter 2 days ago
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"In terms of socialism, there is a lot to be learned from Scandinavia ... In countries like Finland, Norway, Denmark, poverty has almost been eliminated. All people have healthcare as a right of citizenship. College education is available to all people, regardless of income, virtually free. They have a lot of political participation, high voter turnouts."
--United States Senator Bernie Sanders, 11/8/06
... Scandinavia today, Star Trek tomorrow ...
TheGreenVoter 2 days ago
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"Critics who CLAIM that the European model is too expensive or economically inefficient have been allowed to pass unchallenged. And yet, the welfare state is as popular as ever with its beneficiaries: NOWHERE in Europe is there a constituencey for abolishing public health services, ending free or subsidized education or reducing public provision of transport and other essential services."
--The New York Review of Books, 4/10/10
TheGreenVoter 2 days ago
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Oh, and by the way, in Roddenberry's future, there's a one world government -- a one world DEMOCRACY (google the term, United Earth and cross reference that with Star Trek) -- so suck on THAT, you libertarian skkkum!
TheGreenVoter 3 days ago
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White folks have an aversion to calling Starfleet/The Federation commies because
a) Starfleet/The Federation are the GOOD guys in Star Trek
b) as white Americans, they've been BRAINWASHED into "thinking" Stalin is SUPPOSEDLY all there is to communism, which is as RETARDED as "thinking" the Religious Right is supposedly all there is to Christianity.
God, schooling you people is exhausting
"I get so tired -- working so hard for our survival ..."
--Peter Gabriel, In Your Eyes
TheGreenVoter 3 days ago
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"Social action must be animated by a vision of a future society."
--Professor Noam Chomsky
TheGreenVoter 3 days ago
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"In his vision of the future, [Roddenberry] pushed the principles of equality a little further forward. In Star Trek equality is kinetic, quick and real. It is not equal opportunity, but equal reality. It means that everyone's stomach IS full, not potentially full; & that everyone's home is a decent place to live."
--Yvonne Fern, The Last Conversation (University of California Press, 1994)
She was with him when he died.If anybody knows, it's HER
TheGreenVoter 3 days ago
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"[In StarTrek] there is no pay for any work because one works for the love of it & no other reason."
--Yvonne Fern, The Last Conversation
...Star Trek's characters - the GOOD guys (Starfleet/the Federation) - BARTER their LABORS of LOVE...
"When the New World Economy took shape in the late 22nd century & money went the way of the dinosaur, Fort Knox was turned into a museum."
--from the Star Trek: Voyager episode, Dark Frontier
TheGreenVoter 3 days ago
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"Money is a terrible thing. Why do people work at jobs in Star Trek? Why does someone become a baker? Because the family is going to starve to death? No. People become bakers because certain people love the smell of things baking."
--Gene Roddenberry
Gillian Taylor: Don't tell me they don't use money in the 23rd century?
Captain Kirk: Well, we doN'T.
--Star Trek IV:The Voyage Home
TheGreenVoter 3 days ago
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Jake Sisko: I sold my 1st book.
Quark: How much did you get for it?
Jake Sisko: It's just a figure of speech.
--from the DS9 episode, You Are Cordially Invited
...a figure of speech! Jake got "paid" by the Federation's honor system: He BARTERS his LABOR of LOVE for someone ELSE'S labor of love...
Nog: What does that mean exactly?
Jake Sisko: It means we don't need money.
--from the DS9 episode, In the Cards
TheGreenVoter 3 days ago
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Replicators, protein resequencers & bio-matter-whatever will NOT change the FACT that SOCIOLOGY, NOT technology, defines Star Trek...
"[Proof of aliens] unites Humanity in a way no one ever thought possible when they realize they're not alone in the universe. Poverty, disease, war, they'll all be gone in 50 years."
--Star Trek: First Contact
...it's the decision to SHARE; to put people ABOVE profits!
TheGreenVoter 3 days ago
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Replicators, protein resequencers & bio-matter-whatever will NOT change the FACT that SOCIOLOGY, NOT technology, defines Star Trek...
"[Proof of aliens] unites Humanity in a way no one ever thought possible when they realize they're not alone in the universe. Poverty, disease, war, they'll all be gone in 50 years."
--Star Trek: First Contact
...it's the decision to SHARE; to put people ABOVE profits!
TheGreenVoter 3 days ago
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Social progress is AT LEAST 75% of the equation. Star Trek clearly shows the Ferengi, the Cardassians and other hostiles with the same level of technology as the Federation but the Ferengi are GREEDY scumbags and the Cardassians are worse than the CIA (if that's even possible), so it's NOT what you got (technology), its HOW YOU USE IT AND WHY (sociology).
TheGreenVoter 3 days ago
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Fans imagine bizarre aliens, far-fetched technology & mysterious anomalies in the space-time continuum, but when it comes to imagining a future Earth devoid of poverty, suddenly y'all come down with a bad case of writer's block? As the ChurchLady from SaturdayNightLive would say: "How convenient (for the taxphobic corporate elite, that is)!" The hypocrisy is highly suspicious ...
TheGreenVoter 3 days ago
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"It'll take $30 billion a year to eliminate global hunger.For the price of the WallStreetBailout we could make sure NO one on Earth goes hungry."
--The Institute 4 Food & Development Policy
...& there's NO hunger on Roddenberry's future Earth...
"War, disease, hunger? Pretty much wiped 'em out."
--"Trip" Tucker, Star Trek: Enterprise
...so SOMEone in the future told Wall Street to fuck itself!
TheGreenVoter 3 days ago
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"Denmark and Finland have child-poverty levels of less than 3 percent, and are closely followed by Norway and Sweden, thanks to higher levels of social spending. In the U.S., 17 percent of children live in poverty."
--The Seattle Times, 1/4/06
... "higher levels of social spending," which can only be afforded by taxing the rich -- the first step towards Roddenberry's vision of a future Earth devoid of poverty ...
TheGreenVoter 3 days ago
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"When people here thought about socialism they were thinking about the Soviet Union. Now they think about Scandinavia. People understand I'm talking about democratic socialism."
--US Senator Bernie Sanders
"I don't mean the 'socialism' of any other oppressive regime claiming to be socialist. Rather, a genuine socialism which not only distributes the wealth but maintains liberty."
--Prof. Howard Zinn
THAT'S Star Trek!
TheGreenVoter 3 days ago
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"In terms of socialism, there is a lot to be learned from Scandinavia ... In countries like Finland, Norway, Denmark, poverty has almost been eliminated. All people have healthcare as a right of citizenship. College education is available to all people, regardless of income, virtually free. They have a lot of political participation, high voter turnouts."
--United States Senator Bernie Sanders, 11/8/06
... Scandinavia today, Star Trek tomorrow ...
TheGreenVoter 3 days ago
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"Critics who CLAIM that the European model is too expensive or economically inefficient have been allowed to pass unchallenged. And yet, the welfare state is as popular as ever with its beneficiaries: NOWHERE in Europe is there a constituencey for abolishing public health services, ending free or subsidized education or reducing public provision of transport and other essential services."
--The New York Review of Books, 4/10/10
TheGreenVoter 3 days ago
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Star trek is not post scarcity, Socialism is not about superabundance. Rather, its the inverse of capitalism. under capitalism, the opulent reduce their own scarcity by increasing everyone else's. as it stands, there is still no scientific practicality for impoverishing the many so the few can live extraordinarily luxurious lives. simply no logic to it nor economic justification at all. its simply here by virtue of tyranny, not right.
johnniefive80 3 days ago
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@johnniefive80
"Star trek is not post scarcity, Socialism is not about superabundance. Rather, its the inverse of capitalism."
THANK YOU. Scarcity was NEVER the issue, anyway! Corporate GREED is! Trying to maintain MTV Cribs lifestyles/MC Hammer mansions for 1% of the population while everyone else is FORCED to play king-of-the-hill ..? I doN'T think so. In Star Trek, it works like this:
NO mansions!
NO homeless!
If a three-bedroom-two-bath ain't good enough for ya, FUCK OFF!
TheGreenVoter 3 days ago
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@johnniefive80
"impoverishing the many so the few can live extraordinarily luxurious lives. simply no logic to it"
AMEN on this Sunday morning! Plus, I love how you brought up "logic," because of course, that's what the VULCANS are all about ..!
TheGreenVoter 3 days ago
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Oh, and by the way, in Roddenberry's future, there's a one world government -- a one world DEMOCRACY (google the term, United Earth and cross reference that with Star Trek) -- so suck on THAT, you libertarian skkkum!
TheGreenVoter 4 days ago
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White folks have an aversion to calling Starfleet/The Federation commies because
a) Starfleet/The Federation are the GOOD guys in Star Trek
b) as white Americans, they've been BRAINWASHED into "thinking" Stalin is SUPPOSEDLY all there is to communism, which is as RETARDED as "thinking" the Religious Right is supposedly all there is to Christianity.
God, schooling you people is exhausting
"I get so tired -- working so hard for our survival ..."
--Peter Gabriel, In Your Eyes
TheGreenVoter 4 days ago
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"Social action must be animated by a vision of a future society."
--Professor Noam Chomsky
TheGreenVoter 4 days ago
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"In his vision of the future, [Roddenberry] pushed the principles of equality a little further forward. In Star Trek equality is kinetic, quick and real. It is not equal opportunity, but equal reality. It means that everyone's stomach IS full, not potentially full; & that everyone's home is a decent place to live."
--Yvonne Fern, The Last Conversation (University of California Press, 1994)
She was with him when he died. If anybody knows, it's HER
TheGreenVoter 4 days ago
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"[In StarTrek] there is no pay for any work because one works for the love of it & no other reason."
--Yvonne Fern, The Last Conversation
...Star Trek's characters - the GOOD guys (Starfleet/the Federation) - BARTER their LABORS of LOVE...
"When the New World Economy took shape in the late 22nd century & money went the way of the dinosaur, Fort Knox was turned into a museum."
--from the Star Trek: Voyager episode, Dark Frontier
TheGreenVoter 4 days ago
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"Money is a terrible thing. Why do people work at jobs in Star Trek? Why does someone become a baker? Because the family is going to starve to death? No. People become bakers because certain people love the smell of things baking."
--Gene Roddenberry
Gillian Taylor: Don't tell me they don't use money in the 23rd century?
Captain Kirk: Well, we doN'T.
--Star Trek IV:The Voyage Home
TheGreenVoter 4 days ago
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Jake Sisko: I sold my 1st book.
Quark: How much did you get for it?
Jake Sisko: It's just a figure of speech.
--from the DS9 episode, You Are Cordially Invited
...a figure of speech! Jake got "paid" by the Federation's honor system: He BARTERS his LABOR of LOVE for someone ELSE'S labor of love...
Nog: What does that mean exactly?
Jake Sisko: It means we don't need money.
--from the DS9 episode, In the Cards
TheGreenVoter 4 days ago
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Replicators, protein resequencers & bio-matter-whatever will NOT change the FACT that SOCIOLOGY, NOT technology, defines Star Trek...
"[Proof of aliens] unites Humanity in a way no one ever thought possible when they realize they're not alone in the universe. Poverty, disease, war, they'll all be gone in 50 years."
--Star Trek: First Contact
...it's the decision to SHARE; to put people ABOVE profits!
TheGreenVoter 4 days ago
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Social progress is AT LEAST 75% of the equation. Star Trek clearly shows the Ferengi, the Cardassians and other hostiles with the same level of technology as the Federation but the Ferengi are GREEDY scumbags and the Cardassians are worse than the CIA (if that's even possible), so it's NOT what you got (technology), its HOW YOU USE IT AND WHY (sociology).
TheGreenVoter 4 days ago
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Fans imagine bizarre aliens, far-fetched technology & mysterious anomalies in the space-time continuum, but when it comes to imagining a future Earth devoid of poverty, suddenly y'all come down with a bad case of writer's block? As the ChurchLady from SaturdayNightLive would say: "How convenient (for the taxphobic corporate elite, that is)!" The hypocrisy is highly suspicious ...
TheGreenVoter 4 days ago
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"It'll take $30 billion a year to eliminate global hunger.For the price of the WallStreetBailout we could make sure no one on Earth goes hungry."
--The Institute 4 Food & Development Policy
...& there's NO hunger on Roddenberry's future Earth...
"War, disease, hunger? Pretty much wiped 'em out."
--"Trip" Tucker, Star Trek: Enterprise
...so SOMEone in the future told Wall Street to fuck itself!
TheGreenVoter 4 days ago
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"Denmark and Finland have child-poverty levels of less than 3 percent, and are closely followed by Norway and Sweden, thanks to higher levels of social spending. In the U.S., 17 percent of children live in poverty."
--The Seattle Times, 1/4/06
... "higher levels of social spending," which can only be afforded by taxing the rich -- the first step towards Roddenberry's vision of a future Earth devoid of poverty ...
TheGreenVoter 4 days ago
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"When people here thought about socialism they were thinking about the Soviet Union. Now they think about Scandinavia. People understand I'm talking about democratic socialism."
--US Senator Bernie Sanders
"I don't mean the 'socialism' of any other oppressive regime claiming to be socialist. Rather, a genuine socialism which not only distributes the wealth but maintains liberty."
--Prof. Howard Zinn
THAT'S Star Trek!
TheGreenVoter 4 days ago
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"In terms of socialism, there is a lot to be learned from Scandinavia ... In countries like Finland, Norway, Denmark, poverty has almost been eliminated. All people have healthcare as a right of citizenship. College education is available to all people, regardless of income, virtually free. They have a lot of political participation, high voter turnouts."
--United States Senator Bernie Sanders, 11/8/06
... Scandinavia today, Star Trek tomorrow ...
TheGreenVoter 4 days ago
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"Critics who CLAIM that the European model is too expensive or economically inefficient have been allowed to pass unchallenged. And yet, the welfare state is as popular as ever with its beneficiaries: NOWHERE in Europe is there a constituencey for abolishing public health services, ending free or subsidized education or reducing public provision of transport and other essential services."
--The New York Review of Books, 4/10/10
TheGreenVoter 4 days ago
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"if you do not agree with the Marxist Doctrine, you are deemed not to be on the side of progress"
CORRECTION: If you're so fucking greedy that you would allow MTV Cribs/MC Hammer mansions to exist while all too many homeless families are sleeping in their cars this winter, you are deemed not to be on the side of progress.
That old kkkoot, "howardz43," will learn this lesson THE HARD WAY when he dies and his soul is cast into the bowels of HELL
TheGreenVoter 4 days ago
There's no proof in that planning isn't better than a random "market." The logistics of moving a group of people into an area, for say an expedition into the rain Forrest or moving troops into an area, then setting up camp, gathering resources, and the "planning" in the use of those resources works perfectly fine. capitalist "logistics" are very selfish, elitist, impractical, unscientific and most of all inhumane. "human nature," "competition," etc are simply ideological excuses for plutocracy
johnniefive80 4 days ago
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@johnniefive80
"Human nature" IS simply an ideological excuse for plutocracy ! AMEN ! Thank you !
Stay on target, "johnniefive80" ! HOLD THE LINE !
TheGreenVoter 4 days ago
ALL value comes from labor, if you don't believe that then tell me where do buildings, roads, cars and houses come from? do you see the rich man out there with sweat on his back, no you don't. and the materials, where do they come from? there's no rich man out there with a chain saw on ax men. the rich harvest from us as though we are a crop and they are the farmer. well, i say REMIND THEM WE ARE HUMAN and they better put up or shut up, as we are the INDENTURED PROVIDERS
johnniefive80 4 days ago
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"ALL value comes from labor," YES ! And SINCE that's the case, We the People OWE labor -- we owe labor free universal health care and free colleges for the children of labor! If providing that means we gotta tax the rich, THEN SO BE IT.
TheGreenVoter 4 days ago
@johnniefive80, People who labor stupidly don't make any money because there is no market for what they do.
howardz43 1 day ago
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howardz43, the ASSumption that human's are inherently bad is no excuse for an unscientific economic system that benefits the few.
your assertion that leftists want to take from those who work and give to those who don't is what capitalism does in practice, thus you are saying capitalists are leftist.
no amount of hard work can "earn" a mufti-million dollar home, however mathematical theft (profit) can acquire it and does.
Marx is the only economist to look at economy from a human perspective
johnniefive80 4 days ago
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johnniefive80 4 days ago
Socialist economics requires central economic planning, and centralized planning inevitably leads toward communist totalitarianism wherein no private property is allowed. The central planning authority has to have powers that impact and ultimately control social life because the knowledge required for centrally planning an economy is inherently decentralized. Such knowledge thus needs to be brought under the central planning committee's control. That, is what the leftists refuse to admit.
howardz43 5 days ago
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@johnniefive80, Justice does not render the same result for everyone. The goal of the Law is not to make everyone 'equal' per what you appear to think. Rather, it is to render justice equally to everyone as their human right. You, sir, appear to want Big Government power to make everyone equal. You are 'the idiot' because people are not all born with the same tendencies, capacities, dispositions, which tend to remain with them for life. No human law or Government can change that.
howardz43 5 days ago
For if you do not agree with the Marxist Doctrine, you are deemed not to be on the side of progress. The term of distinction reserved for those who have not been visited by the new revelation is the word 'Reactionary'. Literally, the inference is that you are working against progress, in a backward direction. - Bertrand Russell
howardz43 5 days ago
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Capitalism is what enables people as individuals to have the kind of life each one wants in relation to the whole of society according to the quality and kind of effort they put out, not according to what some Big Government dictator and bureaucrats tell you that you can have, and your life has to be like.
howardz43 5 days ago
Each individual is different and has their own sometimes if not often contradictory desires. Some people want a lot of material things which require a lot of hard work while others do not. Socialism is particularly blind in that regard because it is materialistic and assumes everyone is equally motivated to have the same material things. Capitalism allows individualities in that regard. It allows people to work proportionately in order to have whatever lifestyle they wish.
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Oh, and by the way, in Roddenberry's future, there's a one world government -- a one world DEMOCRACY (google the term, United Earth and cross reference that with Star Trek) -- so suck on THAT, you libertarian skkkum!
TheGreenVoter 5 days ago
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White folks have an aversion to calling Starfleet/The Federation commies because
a) Starfleet/The Federation are the GOOD guys in Star Trek
b) as white Americans, they've been BRAINWASHED into "thinking" Stalin is SUPPOSEDLY all there is to communism, which is as RETARDED as "thinking" the Religious Right is supposedly all there is to Christianity.
God, schooling you people is exhausting
"I get so tired -- working so hard for our survival ..."
--Peter Gabriel, In Your Eyes
TheGreenVoter 5 days ago
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"Social action must be animated by a vision of a future society."
--Professor Noam Chomsky
TheGreenVoter 5 days ago
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"In his vision of the future, [Roddenberry] pushed the principles of equality a little further forward. In Star Trek equality is kinetic, quick and real. It is not equal opportunity, but equal reality. It means that everyone's stomach IS full, not potentially full; & that everyone's home is a decent place to live."
--Yvonne Fern, The Last Conversation (University of California Press, 1994)
She was with him when he died. If anybody knows, it's HER
TheGreenVoter 5 days ago
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"[In StarTrek] there is no pay for any work because one works for the love of it & no other reason."
--Yvonne Fern, The Last Conversation
...Star Trek's characters - the GOOD guys (Starfleet/the Federation) - BARTER their LABORS of LOVE...
"When the New World Economy took shape in the late 22nd century & money went the way of the dinosaur, Fort Knox was turned into a museum."
--from the Star Trek: Voyager episode, Dark Frontier
TheGreenVoter 5 days ago
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"Money is a terrible thing. Why do people work at jobs in Star Trek? Why does someone become a baker? Because the family is going to starve to death? No. People become bakers because certain people love the smell of things baking."
--Gene Roddenberry
Gillian Taylor: Don't tell me they don't use money in the 23rd century?
Captain Kirk: Well, we doN'T.
--Star Trek IV:The Voyage Home
TheGreenVoter 5 days ago
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Jake Sisko: I sold my 1st book.
Quark: How much did you get for it?
Jake Sisko: It's just a figure of speech.
--from the DS9 episode, You Are Cordially Invited
...a figure of speech! Jake got "paid" by the Federation's honor system: He BARTERS his LABOR of LOVE for someone ELSE'S labor of love...
Nog: What does that mean exactly?
Jake Sisko: It means we don't need money.
--from the DS9 episode, In the Cards
TheGreenVoter 5 days ago
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Replicators, protein resequencers & bio-matter-whatever will NOT change the FACT that SOCIOLOGY, NOT technology, defines Star Trek...
"[Proof of aliens] unites Humanity in a way no one ever thought possible when they realize they're not alone in the universe. Poverty, disease, war, they'll all be gone in 50 years."
--Star Trek: First Contact
...it's the decision to SHARE; to put people ABOVE profits!
TheGreenVoter 5 days ago
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Social progress is AT LEAST 75% of the equation. Star Trek clearly shows the Ferengi, the Cardassians and other hostiles with the same level of technology as the Federation but the Ferengi are GREEDY scumbags and the Cardassians are worse than the CIA (if that's even possible), so it's NOT what you got (technology), its HOW YOU USE IT AND WHY (sociology).
TheGreenVoter 5 days ago
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Fans imagine bizarre aliens, far-fetched technology & mysterious anomalies in the space-time continuum, but when it comes to imagining a future Earth devoid of poverty, suddenly y'all come down with a bad case of writer's block? As the ChurchLady from SaturdayNightLive would say: "How convenient (for the taxphobic corporate elite, that is)!" The hypocrisy is highly suspicious ...
TheGreenVoter 5 days ago
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"It'll take $30 billion a year to eliminate global hunger.For the price of the WallStreetBailout we could make sure no one on Earth goes hungry."
--The Institute 4 Food & Development Policy
...& there's NO hunger on Roddenberry's future Earth...
"War, disease, hunger? Pretty much wiped 'em out."
--"Trip" Tucker, Star Trek: Enterprise
...so SOMEone in the future told Wall Street to fuck itself!
TheGreenVoter 5 days ago
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"Denmark and Finland have child-poverty levels of less than 3 percent, and are closely followed by Norway and Sweden, thanks to higher levels of social spending. In the U.S., 17 percent of children live in poverty."
--The Seattle Times, 1/4/06
... "higher levels of social spending," which can only be afforded by taxing the rich -- the first step towards Roddenberry's vision of a future Earth devoid of poverty ...
TheGreenVoter 5 days ago
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"When people here thought about socialism they were thinking about the Soviet Union. Now they think about Scandinavia. People understand I'm talking about democratic socialism."
--US Senator Bernie Sanders
"I don't mean the 'socialism' of any other oppressive regime claiming to be socialist. Rather, a genuine socialism which not only distributes the wealth but maintains liberty."
--Prof. Howard Zinn
THAT'S Star Trek!
TheGreenVoter 5 days ago
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"In terms of socialism, there is a lot to be learned from Scandinavia ... In countries like Finland, Norway, Denmark, poverty has almost been eliminated. All people have healthcare as a right of citizenship. College education is available to all people, regardless of income, virtually free. They have a lot of political participation, high voter turnouts."
--United States Senator Bernie Sanders, 11/8/06
... Scandinavia today, Star Trek tomorrow ...
TheGreenVoter 5 days ago
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"Critics who CLAIM that the European model is too expensive or economically inefficient have been allowed to pass unchallenged. And yet, the welfare state is as popular as ever with its beneficiaries: NOWHERE in Europe is there a constituencey for abolishing public health services, ending free or subsidized education or reducing public provision of transport and other essential services."
--The New York Review of Books, 4/10/10
TheGreenVoter 5 days ago
the only way a worker's labor is profitable is if the worker is underpaid, period. therefore, all workers are underpaid or under compensated. we then are sold products and services at a profit, that means those commodities are sold to us at above their actual value. this is systematic impoverishment, this is capitalism.
johnniefive80 6 days ago
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howardz43, you said " The richest 20% of the U.S. population pays about 38% of all the tax revenues the Government takes in."
and they should pay even more. capitalist economics, specifically the concept of profit, allows the opulent to mathematically acquire more money than they could ever earn through actual and ethical participation in our economy. no one should benefit in our economy without participation and that's EXACTLY what the opulent do, they take without participation.
johnniefive80 6 days ago
government is not only the last vestige of our rights, it is the only vestige of our rights. it is continually under siege by the interests of profit (capitalism) to force inhuman practices of wage slavery and plutocratic ideology. capitalism is incompatible with democracy. how democratic is your work place? do the opulent listen to what the people want? they are perfectly content with enjoying what the workers provide. their "prosperity" is born on the backs of the uncompensated workers.
johnniefive80 6 days ago
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"their 'prosperity' is born on the backs of the uncompensated workers"
... or POORLY compensated workers!
I'd like to see Bill Gates PERSONALLY design, build and distribute EACH - AND - EVERY one of those computers ALL - BY - HIMSELF !
NO mansions!
NO homeless!
TheGreenVoter 5 days ago
law and government has it's place, it is needed. government is a development more modern than a feudal governance by royalty. a democratic government strives to give all citizens a voice in the decision making process. under capitalism, all society's decisions are more and more controlled by the opulent; as we live under a plutocracy. a plutocracy is not democratic, it is not human-centric and treats the majority of humans as cattle.
johnniefive80 6 days ago
The lutz of the left is as done in figure skating. Leftism is based on convoluted theories ignoring the fact that human nature is not basically good. Like a moral Ponzi scheme, leftists try to take from those who have by virtue of hard work to give to those who have not, in order to get control of society without ever first changing the degraded aspects of their own nature. When the left takes over and the bigger the Government, The less people matter as individuals or are even needed.
howardz43 5 days ago
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@johnniefive80, Justice does not render the same result for everyone. The goal of the Law is not to make everyone 'equal' per what you appear to think. Rather, it is to render justice equally to everyone as their human right. You, sir, appear to want Big Government power to make everyone equal. You are 'the idiot' because people are not all born with the same tendencies, capacities, dispositions, which tend to remain with them for life. No human law or Government can change that.
howardz43 5 days ago
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howardz43, to assume that an efficient economy that does not allow the few to monopolize resources (concentration of wealth; rich) effectively eliminating it's by product (poverty) will lead to totalitarianism is an insane assumption and serves only to maintain plutocracy (rule by the rich).
it still stands that no Capitalist ideology can hide the fact that 20% of people enjoy 80% of the resources while 80% of people work to produce those resources
We are the Indentured Providers.
johnniefive80 6 days ago
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johnniefive80 6 days ago
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Oh, and by the way, on Roddenberry's future Earth, there's a one world government -- a one world DEMOCRACY -- so suck on THAT, you libertarian skkkum!
TheGreenVoter 6 days ago
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White folks have an aversion towards calling Starfleet/The Federation commies because
a) Starfleet/The Federation are the GOOD guys in Star Trek
b) as white Americans, they've been BRAINWASHED into "thinking" Stalin is SUPPOSEDLY all there is to communism, which is as RETARDED as "thinking" the Religious Right is supposedly all there is to Christianity.
God, schooling you people is exhausting
"I get so tired -- working so hard for our survival ..."
--Peter Gabriel, In Your Eyes
TheGreenVoter 6 days ago
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"Social action must be animated by a vision of a future society."
--Professor Noam Chomsky
TheGreenVoter 6 days ago
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TheGreenVoter 6 days ago
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"In his vision of the future, [Roddenberry] pushed the principles of equality a little further forward. In Star Trek equality is kinetic, quick and real. It is not equal opportunity, but equal reality. It means that everyone's stomach IS full, not potentially full; & that everyone's home is a decent place to live."
--Yvonne Fern, The Last Conversation (University of California Press, 1994)
She was with him when he died. If anybody knows, it's HER
TheGreenVoter 6 days ago
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"[In StarTrek] there is no pay for any work because one works for the love of it & no other reason."
--Yvonne Fern, The Last Conversation
...Star Trek's characters - the GOOD guys (Starfleet/the Federation) - BARTER their LABORS of LOVE...
"When the New World Economy took shape in the late 22nd century & money went the way of the dinosaur, Fort Knox was turned into a museum."
--from the Star Trek: Voyager episode, Dark Frontier
TheGreenVoter 6 days ago
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"Money is a terrible thing. Why do people work at jobs in Star Trek? Why does someone become a baker? Because the family is going to starve to death? No. People become bakers because certain people love the smell of things baking."
--Gene Roddenberry
Gillian Taylor: Don't tell me they don't use money in the 23rd century?
Captain Kirk: Well, we doN'T.
--Star Trek IV:The Voyage Home
TheGreenVoter 6 days ago
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Jake Sisko: I sold my 1st book.
Quark: How much did you get for it?
Jake Sisko: It's just a figure of speech.
--from the DS9 episode, You Are Cordially Invited
...a figure of speech! Jake got "paid" by the Federation's honor system: He BARTERS his LABOR of LOVE for someone ELSE'S labor of love...
Nog: What does that mean exactly?
Jake Sisko: It means we don't need money.
--from the DS9 episode, In the Cards
TheGreenVoter 6 days ago
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Replicators, protein resequencers & bio-matter-whatever will NOT change the FACT that SOCIOLOGY, NOT technology, defines Star Trek...
"[Proof of aliens] unites Humanity in a way no one ever thought possible when they realize they're not alone in the universe. Poverty, disease, war, they'll all be gone in 50 years."
--Star Trek: First Contact
...it's the decision to SHARE; to put people ABOVE profits!
TheGreenVoter 6 days ago
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Social progress is AT LEAST 75% of the equation. Star Trek clearly shows the Ferengi, the Cardassians and other hostiles with the same level of technology as the Federation but the Ferengi are GREEDY scumbags and the Cardassians are worse than the CIA (if that's even possible), so it's NOT what you got (technology), its HOW YOU USE IT AND WHY (sociology).
TheGreenVoter 6 days ago
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Fans imagine bizarre aliens, far-fetched technology & mysterious anomalies in the space-time continuum, but when it comes to imagining a future Earth devoid of poverty, suddenly y'all come down with a bad case of writer's block? As the ChurchLady from SaturdayNightLive would say: "How convenient (for the taxphobic corporate elite, that is)!" The hypocrisy is highly suspicious ...
TheGreenVoter 6 days ago