to be fair, CD may have completely removed almost everything that made TR great, but AOD sucked. HARD! Far worse than anything CD did. As far as I'm concerned, the REAL Lara's still under that pyramid in TR4. AOD and every game afterwards is just some rich chick who raids tombs and also calls herself Lara Croft!
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Some rumors has been spread about Kurtis saying that he will be in Underworld and bla bla bla bla but I do want him back to continue the storyline coz people are saying that the storyline WAS confusing but it is a bit. But KURTIS IS NOT DEAD seriously coz that thingy vibrating thing was leading him to the gap wat lara walked into. But TRAOD was a bit crapy graphics but still.
ur right kurtis not dead...because that thing has powers so it might got used with kurtis so it started vibrating to him...and why ould lara smile if he would be dead she knows that hes not dead......NOT DEAD!!11
Are you kidding me? Legend was the worst. It was so short & so easy. How many levels were there? 8 was it? Lasted about 5-10 mins? 20 at max? You have a right to your opinion but I'm just saying. The best was by far the Original or the Second.
Legend & Anniversary were almost the same so they are both horrible. Each CORE Tomb Raider game had a different effect while Crystal Dynamics feels the exactly the same in all three games. EASY.
I can't stand Crystal Dynamics. The first three Core games were all different and fun, and the first three Crystal games suck ASS. They are all following each other and totally unoriginal. Bad ideas, bad characters, bad actors.
In all honesty I think Core Design could do better without Crystal Dynamics, but it would help Crystal Dynamics a lot if they used someone as smart as Core Design when it comes to actually coming up with good stories.
And I'm here to tell you: Crystal Dynamics are not going to come up with any other idea. I mean, they might come up with (Yet Another) add-on to the Avalon thing, the mommy/daddy worship thing, but really, they aren't going to do stray far.
Crystal made Tomb Raider better? Why do YOU think so? I mean, really, WHY? In no way, shape, or form is Tomb Raider in any way better with them. Ugh. Horrible.
They haven't done anything but completely fuck up the series in my eyes. They made Lara into an emotional idiot, she cries over mommy and daddy all the time, the characters are horrible, and it's obvious they never played Tomb Raider 1 a day in their lives. Not even as much as watch the cut scenes.
I absolutely would LOVE to see Tomb Raider dead than turned into a piss poor 'Lara is growing up and LEARNING about herself!' bullshit with limited ideas and little to no imagination.
Yeah. I complain at ignorance and stupidity. That's why I REALLY hate Crystal Dynamics. They are the kings and queens of it. I have NEVER seen such stupidity in a game in my LIFE.
@SexVoltage420 Exactly. Lara was fine as she was. She didn't ned to be a crybaby over mommy and daddy. And to be honest, how they developed her was horrible...
@JacquelineNatla I agree. All the other games leading up to these last couple have had nothing at all to do with Lara's feelings and dialogue and childhood traumas... Which was nice because then you could fill in the blanks for yourself however you wanted to. They are getting so specific about Lara's personality and emotions that if you don't like what they've decided she should be - and a lot of people don't - too bad for you.
@SexVoltage420 That is exactly how I feel. And now they are taking Tomb Raider right out of the name. They have a new game coming out called Lara Croft and the Guardian of Light. I am honestly getting really sick of Crystal Dynamics and the way they think. They don't care about how the fans feel. They simply just can't let the game die and go to Heaven. They have to try and drag it to Hell.
@JacquelineNatla *Jumps in* - the Lara Croft game is just a spin off - the main Tomb Raider franchise will still maintain the 'Tomb Raider' title, thankfully!
@azraelkhan - I'm honestly not too happy with it. The only time we can add the word 'thankfully' into the mix is if Crystal Dynamics gives up the franchise. IMO.
Yeah, araelkhan is right. Rumor has it that a NEW game under the franchise of "Tomb Raider" is releasing late 2010, or early 2011. I believe it was called Tomb Raider Origins, but hey, I could be wrong. I just heard that on the forums.
@FTWCjiddy - Ugh... They are still fucking around with Lara's past? I wish they would just go ahead and kill her off already so they can stop messing the franchise up. They have made a horrible mockery of Tomb Raider. I really hate them for that.
@JacquelineNatla Well, this is the worst ever reviewed Tomb Raider. This game is the reason core design are no longer the developers. Check out Lara Croft and the Guardian of Light. It is a fantastic game.
@MiniZee - Well, they can review it badly all they want. Doesn't mean it's a bad game by any means. Guardian of Light (actually, that goes for ANY Crystal game, if you ask me) have no comparison with the Core games. I have been following up on that game since I first heard of it. Not trying to sound mean or anything, but there is no way that a fake Lara and a fake Tomb Raider coule ever out-do the original. I would rather hear a smart, strong Lara than listen to a crying, weak Lara. IMO, IMO.
@JacquelineNatla I've also followed the games from the start and I hated AOD. Half the story was cut out because core couldn't finish the game in time, meaning it didn't even make sense. I don't know what you mean by a "crying, weak Lara". The reboot offers Lara with a much more developed, believeable personality. She's also a lot stronger and more determined, rather than just being a bitch like she was in AOD. Out of curiosity, have you even played Lara Croft and the Guardian of Light?
@MiniZee - I have played every Tomb Raider game out. And no... In no possible way is she more believable than before. For example. Tomb Raider Anniversary. She was too scared to kill Larson. Too scared to kill the black dude or the punk. In the original, she'd just pop a cap in their ass and leave. She does a scary job. She doesn't have the time to be gawking at her hands and crying. Her old personality was strong. Unafraid. It's just stupid and childish now. I can't stand what Crystal made her.
@MiniZee - (2nd post) -By any rate, there are many people who adore AoD. And where did it not make sense? It was supposed to be a three-parter anyway, but of course, Eidos and Crystal Dynamics saw to it that this game never got finished. Lara in no way was a bitch in AoD. She just called it like she saw it. She had a survival instinct. She didn't need to cry or act timid when she was about to kill someone. She just did it because it was how it had to be. She faced facts. Good Lara.
@JacquelineNatla She wasn't too scared to kill Larson, not did she cry. The point of that was it was her first human kill. AoD did not make sense - how did Lara know Karl when she's about to kill Eckhardt when she'd never met him before? Where did Kurtis' body go? He was completely impaled - meaning sure death - and he disappeared? I had a fondness for AoD when I very first played it, I saw what core tried to achieve, but they failed. The only time Lara has cried was in TR:4, by the way.
@MiniZee - Yeah, in TR4 she has a reason to cry. And no, she cried a lot in the Crystal games. She wasn't bawling for 20 minutes like I'm sure Crystal wanted, but she was crying. And AoD, that stuff was going to be explained later on. I mean, like I said, it was supposed to be a 3 parter. And yeah, she was way too afraid to kill Larson. She even made stupid faces the entire time. Gawked at her hands. And if he was her first kill, she should worry about it later. Her job is more important.
@JacquelineNatla She did not cry. I've completed anniversary 3 times. Aside from that, all crystal dynamics has done is given her a bit of humanity. The thing you said about her pulling "stupid faces" - that was to show her reluctance to kill another human being. Your argument doesn't make sense. You said, "in TR4 she has a reason to cry" but her killing Larson is a bigger deal than some random guy dying and by your standards she should "worry about it later".
@MiniZee - Then play through it a fourth time. She cries. And Crystal Dynamics didn't do anything but take Lara Croft and change her into what they thought she should be, not the strong woman she really was. With a job like hers, you can't be reluctant. You can't be 'human', I suppose, although I have seen much stronger 'humans' than the new Lara. I mean, I would much rather travel through a dangerous place with the Lara who has confidence, not the one who whines all the time and is reluctant.
@JacquelineNatla Oh, for goodness sake. You're the only one whining. AoD was 7 years ago. Get over it. And uploading videos about how much you hate Crystal? Pretty fucking sad. By the way, Toby Gard, the man who created Lara Croft, wrote most of the story for Underworld. If anybody knows who Lara Croft should be, I'm afraid it's him.
@MiniZee - Hey, back the fuck off. If you think I'm the only one 'whining' then ignore me and go about your business. But nah. So you're going to 'whine' along with me since you've run out of things to say? And obviously, I don't upload videos ABOUT how much I hate Crystal. Read the damn titles. And apparently, Toby Gard just decided he wanted Lara to be weak and petty or something. I don't know. Shit happens. Tomb Raider's not the only game the creator helped fuck over. So. Get over it. XD
@JacquelineNatla I don't need to get over anything. I love the new games and the new Lara. Plus, it's hard to ignore all of the comments you've left on here. What's with the rampant negativity? It won't change anything, you realise?
@MiniZee - Well, I guess then neither one of us have a problem, other than the fact you're trying to stop me from saying what I choose. And I won't. It's a wasted effort. I figured we were adult enough to have a decent debate, but apparently you brought my tastes into the argument, which makes it more than a debate, and I don't think you want to go there. It's not hard to ignore the comments... Just block me or over look me. =)
@JacquelineNatla I don't even understand what it was we were debating. Which games were better? That's subjective - to a point anyway. I just don't see the point in saying how much you hate something on some website. How is it benefitting anybody? I'm not trying to stop you from saying what you want. Free speech etc. I'm just pointing out how pointless it is. If you don't like the games, don't play them.
@MiniZee - I'm not really sure you understand. But whatever. So you weren't debating about anything this entire time, which means basically you were wasting both your time and mine. And why not? Give me something to do, and I'm being honest. I hate them, I'll say it, and I'll give reason. There may be a point, may not be. And whether I play them or not is definitely not up to you to either know nor decide, but that's a different story all together. Are we going to debate now?
@JacquelineNatla You weren't debating it, you were saying it's shit full stop, "I will never give them (crystal) a chance to do things right". I appreciate that you prefer Tomb Raider pre-Legend, but a reboot was necessary and Crystal made some amazing changes - like the free-form design. Something as simple as allowing Lara to scale a wall and properly traverse it. I don't know if your problem lies in the games themselves, or in the character. The new Lara is kinder, wittier and more likeable.
@MiniZee - I will agree that the new Lara is kinder. But wittier and more likeable... Eeeeh, I would have to disagree there. To me, a woman with her job can not be kind. She can want to be kind, but she has to put her own life first. It's survival. She was waaay wittier and I adored her as a badass woman who wasn't afraid to kick an ass and leave. I'm tired of all these changes Crystal make. I find them ridiculous. I don't like the reboot at all. I wish someone more... Adventurous minded did it.
@MiniZee - And I was debating it, but I do strongly believe that Crystal suck at making games. I have hated all of their games so far, because I just can't respect a hero who at one point was a major badass whom was a good role model to look up to... To basically someone I would never want to meet. Lara just went from hard to soft in an instant. Very uncharming. She lost a lot of her nerve, and it's just... I don't know, a turn off. Not in the sexual way boys would mean it, but just... Not cool.
@JacquelineNatla Lara Croft still is a badass, there's no denying that, but she's just more humanistic at the same time. It's not her job, it's just what she does. Being tough and being kind aren't mutually exclusive.
@MiniZee - I consider it a job. She gets hired into doing stuff, that's how some of her adventures get started. So I consider a lot of it a job. And I don't find her more humanistic now... I actually find her weak. She can be kind, but she doesn't have to be... Like... Legend and Anniversary kind. She can be kind without constantly smiling and putting her hand on people's shoulders and stuff. I never imagined a woman like her to be so touchy-feely, I guess.
@JacquelineNatla In the new continuity, she isn's getting paid to find out what happened to her mother. It's not a job, it's a compulsion. I don't think she's weak at all and I don't see a problem with her having friends or caring for other people.
@MiniZee - The thing is, I'm sick of her mother and father. She was disowned by her parents originally. Keep it that was. I don't want to watch her sob and struggle with petty emotions over her mother and father. In fact, her chasing her mother and father for 'the truth' is actually kind of gay, and just the kind of storyline I'd expect from a child's show. Compared to what Core had, finished or not, they still had better storylines than Crystal. More interesting, at least. Villain-wise, too.
@MiniZee - Oh no, not at all. But what the sentiment is about is what could make it a win or fail. To me. And honestly, I would rather see the more serious Tomb Raider 1 than that silly wish-it-was Anniversary. When I first played Anniversary I seriously thought that not a single one of the employees at Crystal Dynamics had ever played through Tomb Raider 1. Maybe just kind of looked up the cut scenes. Skimmed through it.
@JacquelineNatla Anniversary had to be different to TR1 because is was part of the Legend trilogy. That's why certain things were added to the story. The developers at Crystal have played Tomb Raider, of course they have. You can hear them talking about the original game in detail and why they made changes in the in-game commentary of Anniversary. Also, the sentiment worked for me. I never really liked the idea of her parents disowning her.
@MiniZee - So basically what you're saying is you just flat out pretty much didn't like Core. Well, that's how I feel about Crystal. And you have to explain why things were made in Tomb Raider, trust me I know. I want to argue about what happened, not be explained to on how things work, all right? But her parents disowning her made her go down a different path. She didn't have to worry and complain about them. She got down to business and took care of everything herself. Those days were better.
@JacquelineNatla I did like Core, but they messed up with AoD. The only thing I said I didn't like was her parents disowning her. You're jumping to conclusions by saying I didn't like Core because of that comment. All I did in my previous comment was point out that Crystal have played the original game because you said they hadn't, and that Anniversary was never going to be just a copy of the first game.
@MiniZee - And you're putting words in my mouth. I never said 'Anniversary was never going to be a copy of the first game'. And I didn't say you didn't like Core BECAUSE of that. I just noted that you're a lot fonder of Crystal and very quick to give up on Core because of a mistake that really wasn't a mistake, because AoD was pretty good, if you ask me. I didn't expect Anniversary to be a 'copy' but I expected it to be presentable and NOT in the stupid Legend line. They ruined that game.
@JacquelineNatla I meant that in my previous comment that I pointed out it wasn't going to be a copy, not that you said that. Anyway, AoD's gameplay was far behind the rest of its generation and the story didn't make sense, making for a sub-par game. Anniversary might not be perfect but it's years ahead of AoD in terms of gameplay and presentation. I wasn't quick to give up on Core. Things started going downhill after TR4. Core didn't develop the games enough as time went on.
@MiniZee - What I don't get is why that matters to you. I mean, Core came out with some amazing games. There is no reason for you to find Crystal Dynamics better because of their stupid 'graphics' or 'presentation' or 'gameplay'. Nothing no other game company can do nowadays anyway, and I actually think they suck. AoD can be behind the generation all it wants to be, but if the story and characters are better than newer stuff, then I'll pay much more for it. Core is worth more than Crystal anyway
@JacquelineNatla Core did come out with some amazing games, but towards they end the games weren't amazing anymore. How a game plays is very important, because that's the point of a game. Story is secondary. New games have to adhere to a certain standard, it's an industry. You can't keep churning out the same thing year on year - you'll get left behind. You have to innovate. As I said before, I prefer the legend story arc and crystal certainly innovated with that game which refreshed the series.
@MiniZee - I don't really believe that. I mean, yes, I suppose for some reason the gameplay does have to be reasoned with, but honestly, I think I myself am behind the times, because I found AoD and below so much easier to control and more fun to play than Crystal. I mean, they changed simply everything about the controls, and I simply can't keep up very well. The tiny jumps, no more measuring your leaps and grabbing by yourself. When it comes to story, Core all the way yet again.
@MiniZee - Reason being because Core put a lot more effort into their levels, it was much more beautiful, much more easier to play, and much more fun to relax with. I mean, comparing Tomb Raider 1 and Tomb Raider Anniversary... Hell, what am I saying. There is no comparison between the two. Tomb Raider 1 had a much more serious, much more entertaining storyline (levels as well) than what Crystal did to poor Anniversary. Oh my lord. I wanted to throw up and die when I first saw it, honestly.
@JacquelineNatla If you're impressed by level design, then you should be playing TR:Underworld. That game has the most beautiful scenery and levels out of all the games. Plus, the control overhaul made the games easier to play, that was its purpose. It made the game more of a platformer, making the gameplay flow, which made it more fun. Also, turn manual-grab on. In terms of story, that's subjective. The standard of a game is less so.
@MiniZee - I have played Underworld both on PC and 360. I find it awful. I dislike it totally. Nothing about it is very beautiful to me. Seems so small. Like I said. Call me an oldie, but I find the Core world to be much bigger, much more... Deep. I'm not really sure how to actually describe it, but I think that is more my preference than really anything else. Underworld was just difficult for me, especially in controls. But I find the story to be more important than graphics or gameplay.
@JacquelineNatla You can dislike Underworld, but there's no denying how beautiful that game is. It's incredibly lush and detailed. If story is the most important thing to you, read the tomb raider books or comics because gameplay is the most important thing in a game, just as words are the most important thing in a book.
@MiniZee - I don't believe that. Almost everyone I know, RL or online, do not just sit down and play a game to see smooth turns, jumps, or pretty trees and sky. Sorry, but I don't believe it. And I don't look at a book for it's pretty letters. I won't read, like anyone else, if there is a thousand pages of boredom, no matter how 'beautiful' the words are. :P Same with a game.
@JacquelineNatla No, but you sit down to play a game. Gameplay is the most important thing because it's how you interact with the experience, it's your part in it. Same as you read a book. Sure, the story makes it more enjoyable, but it's extra.
@MiniZee - That's probably why I hate Crystal's games so much then. They try way too hard, and I find that they fail pretty epically. I can't stand their graphics, I can't even stand the controls. I don't see why some others enjoy it, but it's their choice. But I just can't see how it's any better than Core's... I control Lara in their games MUUUCH better than in Crystal's. I've wanted to break my controller because the controls are so ridiculous.
@JacquelineNatla Even so, not liking a game doesn't make it shit, it just means it's not your thing. I feel I should point that Underworld has some of the best graphics out there, seeing as the Lara model in that is the most detailed videogame character at the moment.
@MiniZee - Details and pretty graphics don't make a game. People may be really excited by seeing pretty things, but then again, I guess they don't play video games for the same reason I do. I do it for the storyline, so I can actually play something interesting. I'm not the kind of person who could just sink into a boring game because it has the most beautiful graphics I've ever seen. I mean, a game isn't mean to be realistic. It's a game, fantasy. Lara's hideous now anyway, so. IMO.
@JacquelineNatla I don't play games for the graphics either. I pointed out the graphics are amazing because you said you couldn't stand them. You said you can't stand the controls either as they were difficult. I don't see how a control system where you have to measure your jumps and grab manually is easier than crystal's. I love games with a decent storyline, but a game should be fun to play primarily. It's no good having a game with an awesome storyline that's shit to play. And Lara's hot.
@MiniZee - They aren't amazing, obviously, so that's why I can't stand them. If I can't stand them, no need telling me they're amazing, because I'm not going to believe you. And Crystal's Lara is anything but hot... She looks more innocent and soft and boring. Not nearly as hardcore as the old one. A game can be fun to play, but the storylines that Crystal come up with make the game not really worth playing. Hate 'em.
@JacquelineNatla As I said, just because YOU don't like something doesn't make it not good. You not liking the graphics doesn't make them any less amazing, because they are some of the best out there - that's objective, not just my opinion. As for the story, whatever floats your boat. I like them.
@MiniZee - The only problem about debating with you. You pretend that your opinion is fact when it's just your word. Seriously, what you say isn't written in stone. And you won't make me believe that. And besides, I never really said that just because I said they were bad makes them bad. If you don't notice, after every post I make, I usually say something about 'in my opinion'. Read that part and stop trying to tell me what I say is wrong and argue about the game.
@JacquelineNatla I don't pretend my opinion is fact. Certain things are objective. TR:U has some of the most detailed graphics i.e uses most polygons, making them some of the best. I don't THINK it has detailed graphics, that's a fact. Whether or not you like the look of the game is a different issue. If you still think it's my opinion, I'll point out that Lara Croft in Underworld holds the word record for most detailed videogame character. It's really not my opinion that the graphics are good.
@JacquelineNatla Also, in your previous post, you said, "They aren't amazing, obviously, that's why I can't stand them.", which comes across as, "I don't like them, so they must be shit.". When I stated something as fact, I backed it up with evidence, e.g the graphics and number of polygons, making it not just my opinion. In several of your posts there's been no, "in my opinion", and there's still been no evidence to back up what you say. And I am arguing about the game, right now, the graphics.
@MiniZee - Yeah, well, I can see that most of my posts have IMO on them most of the time. Might wanna check that out. Child-stuff aside, I simply can't stand the look of the totally new Lara Croft. She's all smiles, her eyes are soft, and she doesn't look nearly as aggressive as she used to. Crystal took all of her key personality traits away that made her awesome and turned her into a weak 'OMG WHAT HAVE I DONE STARE AT HANDS' person. I find her character very weak.
@MiniZee - As for graphics, she can be in any magazine she wants. Who makes those magazines? People. Their opinions. It's not fact. lol. I don't care who or what say it. I mean, I've seen some magazines say that Crystal's games are better than Core's. Lol, and I KNOW that's a lie.
@JacquelineNatla I did check it out...but you've gone and don't the same thing again, "I KNOW that's a lie."? No, you don't. It's your opinion. Magazine? Uh...no. It was in the guinness world book of records, actually. So it is a fact.
@JacquelineNatla That's a completely retarded argument. Astronomers who thought Pluto was a planet didn't change their mind in the blink of an eye, they gathered more evidence over time and came to a consensus. Not that it has ANYTHING to do with what we were talking about at all. First you state your opinion as if it's fact, then you refute actual fact. You are an idiot.
@MiniZee - And you are a complete idiot for not understanding what I said, you stupid fuck. Exactly what I mean, people think that fiction is fact. I mean, for gods sakes you dumbass, they changed what they thought into something else they think. It'll probably get changed again. Beat your fucking head against a wall and maybe you'll be able to make god damn valid argument, you stupid worthless shithead. I know that I just insulted you, but I thought we were going to leave personal insults out-
@MiniZee - of the whole argument. I guess that proves that you really can't debate like I thought you could. And you call me a fucking idiot? You're doing just the same thing as I am, thinking your bullshit actually is worth anything or even makes sense. And right now it's not true, just because it's in a damn book. And no argument is stupid if it's true and makes sense, you fucking imbecile.
@JacquelineNatla I understood your "argument", but it's stupid because it isn't related. Collective knowledge is updated as time goes on, but we're debating a videogame, not science. You're actually debating that TR:U doesn't use more rendered polygons on Lara than any one other game? Because that's wrong. It's not just any book the is in. It's a book of records, facts, current to that year. On what grounds can you refute that? Seriously. I know exactly how tyo debate, but it's difficult when--
@JacquelineNatla faced with someone like you. Someone who thinks putting forward their opinion then someone disagreeing is debating. It requires you to back it up. Something you seem completely incapable of doing. You respond to any point I make with "well I don't believe it lol" and seem to think that makes it not true. On what grounds is the point I made not true?
@MiniZee - Honestly, I was just trying to keep things pretty settled. I mean, you are going to believe what you believe, and I'm going to believe what I'm going to believe. When two people disagree, I consider that debating. But I'm not going to get into a huge rant because you masturbate over the new Tomb Raider and I disagree with it. I mean, you can sit here all day and bitch and moan about the GWB and Lara being in it, but I'm not going to believe it. It's not even really TR anymore, so. ->
@MiniZee - It really doesn't matter. And besides, it's obviously not just debating. You're trying to get pretty deep into the argument, yano, calling me an idiot and so on. You sit there and bitch and moan that I have no proof, yet you're calling me an idiot? lol. I'm just saying what I think. I believe what I want. You can't change my mind, no one can. We can sit and rant and ramble all day. You won't get anywhere. You don't even listen to my reasons without insulting me in some way. Forget it.
@JacquelineNatla So your arguement amounts to, "I believe what I want, in spite of the facts and I was just churning out my opinion anyway.". What a waste of time.
@MiniZee - Then I'll ask you this: What exactly were you trying to achieve by spouting off what you believe to be true? To persuade me? Blow off steam? You're not doing a very good job, at least with persuasion. Tip: Next time you 'debate' with someone, don't insult them. They tend to not give a shit what the hell you think whether it's right or wrong. Which, in this case, I believe to be wrong. So. And you're just more in it to try and make me feel stupid, not really debate. So... Why? Yano.
@JacquelineNatla What I believe to be true? That TR:Underworld holds a world record? Yeah, I made that up...You're one to lecture on debating. Two people disagreeing is not a debate, that's a disagreement. Aside from that, I am not in this to make you feel stupid. That's not the kind of person I am. I dislike your close-minded attitude. Disagreeing with or disliking something on principle is a highly flawed idea.
@MiniZee - I know what kind of person you are though. One of those wanna-be smartasses. The exact kind that pisses me off. I didn't say you made up that stupid shit on Underworld holding a world record. Don't put that shit in my mouth. I disagree with it, big deal. And two people disagreeing and arguing about it is obviously debating over it. Well, the adult form of it, anyway. You can dislike my close minded attitude, and I can dislike your smartass attitude. And elaborate your last sentence.
@JacquelineNatla I'm really not a smartass and you really don't know what kind of person I am. And on what grounds do you disagree with a fact? My last sentence refers to something I brought up earlier, something you wrote - "I will never give them (crystal) a chance to do things right...". Meaning that anything crystal does in future, you plan to dislike for the sake of it - close-minded.
@MiniZee - Well, if I don't know what kind of person you are, then don't open your damn mouth about the kind of person I am. Don't bitch about what you can't handle. And I don't plan to dislike them for the sake of it. I plan to dislike them for completely and utterly ruining my favorite game series that I loved and played since childhood. I mean, their storylines are horrid, their idea of Lara Croft/Tomb Raider is horrid, just... Everything about them I can't stand. Never could.
@JacquelineNatla I commented on the attitude you displayed, not who you are, Don't bitch about what I can't handle? What is that, exactly? In fact, don't answer. I don't care. Your opinion doesn't matter to me. Anyone who favours their opinion over fact is delusional and I'm bored of your irrationality and immaturity now.
@MiniZee - And I'm commenting on the attitude you displayed as well. And don't bitch about what you can't handle? If you're going to bitch, then don't be such a damn shithead when people bitch back at you. And if my opinion doesn't matter to you, then why are you throwing out yours? It's not like really anyone else does, or really should, for either one of us. And really? So you're going to basically throw out an attack to people who dislike what you masturbate to? Idiot. Bored? Just running-
@MiniZee - out of things to say. If you are going to call me irrational, I think you need to go back and play any TR game by Crystal Dynamics. Replay Core's games too. Immaturity? Don't fucking go there. You're no better than me in that area.
@JacquelineNatla I'm not running out of things to say, I just don't wish to interact with you any longer. It's tedious. I'm not better than you in terms of maturity? Because I like something you don't that means I "masturbate" over it? If I was as pathetic as you, I would say something stupid like "just because you masturbate over jacqueline natla blah blah blah", but I have more self-respect than that. Do us both a favour and don't respond to this. I no longer have an interest in this exchange.
@MiniZee - You were the one that started with the insults. So don't bitch about me insulting your masturbating over Crystal's Lara. And I think you are. You haven't come up with a single argument yet that I couldn't think of a way around, and that pisses you off. And stop telling me what to do, that just proves even further that you're a stupid idiot. You're no better than me, so shut the FUCK up when you're trying to tell me to do something. And more self respect? Don't make me laugh, bitch.
@JacquelineNatla You seriously think you've had a logical response to a single argument I put forward? That's laughable. Do you really think saying I "masturbate" over something negates a point? The fact you're saying I'm as bad as you, and that you have such a low opinion of me is insulting yourself. For the last time, I am not interested in your illogical ramblings or what you think of me, so fuck off.
@MiniZee - You apparently are interested in my 'illogical ramblings' because you keep coming back to them. So who cares if I think lowly of myself? You want me to stop sounding 'illogical' so you should stop stating the fucking obvious like a dipshit would have to to figure anything out in the first place. I never said that you masturbating over anything pointed to anything. Tell me where I said that. So... You can follow your own advice and fuck off too. =/ Idiot. lol
@JacquelineNatla You said I was annoyed because I couldn't come up with an argument you couldn't get around, but all you've done in response to me arguments is claim I masturbate over a videogame character and display how many curse words you know. I have to admit, it's an impressive display of intellectual acumen on your part. In what way am I a hypocrite? Please enlighten me.
@MiniZee -That's not all I've done. If you go back and read, I've said a lot more than just masturbate and cursing. Now let's be honest here. XD And if you're impressed by that, then you need to get out more. =/ In what way are you a hypocrite? 1.) You want me to shut up, but you keep going like I do. 2.) You keep saying that I don't have maturity and self respect, but who can't quit arguing as well? If you're so mature then walk away. xD But you can't and you won't. And I love it. Control much.
@JacquelineNatla I want to stop putting forth illogical arguments, not to shut up. If you presented your case well, I wouldn't care, but you can't or don't. And me arguing doesn't mean I don't have self respect, but me resorting to cursing instead of intelligible conversation like you have would.
@MiniZee - I don't know... Stooping to insulting the other person seems pretty close to either falling out of the argument category, or it seems pretty ridiculous in itself. You weren't exactly presenting your case by trying to call me an idiot. So fine, if you see it this way, why not start the debate over again? I'll just present my case and you present yours. Fair? Or done?
@JacquelineNatla I may have called you an idiot, yes. I got annoyed that you disregarded a fact simply because it disagreed with something you said. That's not how rational discussion works. Your response was to call me a total shithead, idiot, bitch and that I should smack my head off a wall...Our differing opinions aren't the issue. I know you hate crystal, that's fine. My problem is with the way you express your opinion. It's extremely venomous and hostile. There's no need for it.
@MiniZee - I'll admit to you I can be venomous and hostile, yeah, and I could chill out on being so aggressive, but I won't sit back and let someone insult me. I can't just sit there and let someone act like they're above me because my idea of a rational discussion and their differs. If you feel that I simply disregarded a fact, then I either wasn't paying attention or didn't feel like you were taking me seriously and threw out a fuck of an answer, which is how I felt through most of the debate.
@JacquelineNatla I accept your apology and I apologise for calling you an idiot, but I have no desire to restart. I don't need any more negativity in my day-to-day life.
@JacquelineNatla And by the way, you saying fact can change to fiction is you acknowledging that it's fact. Seeing as the guinness world book of records is updated every year, eventually something will overtake TR:U, but right now it's true. So you're still wrong.
Perhaps someday Crystal Dynamics will stop dicking around and actually bring Kurtis in...I mean it's the least they could do after kicking Core out of their place...
die kaboom wheres kurtis.... i know he desolved like everyone else that died except bouchard
killer223222 1 month ago
@MargotTheDJ you will know in 4 levels its at the end of the level "hall of seasons"
LaurieTombRaiderFan 2 months ago
@LaurieTombRaiderFan
thx now i'm at the hall of seasons... (i almost didnt touch that level)
but thx!
MargotTheDJ 1 month ago
"Werner's Dead"
"You killed Werner?"
"Shut Up!"
LOL
1999DEADORALIVE 2 months ago
"You killed Von Croy?"
"Die."
Kaboom!
"Where's Kurtis?"
MCRCrazyFan1992 2 months ago
Who's the "Big, scary ghost"? I'm at the Louvre Storm Drains level but I want to knowww..... please?
MargotTheDJ 3 months ago
Trance Kuja music FTW.
blainyrules 4 months ago
- Werner is Dead! D:
- You Kill Werner!? o.o
- Shut Up ¬¬
LOL <3
ElaDulunee 4 months ago
KABOOM XD
Liberiangirl95 7 months ago
Actually Tomb Raider Angel of Darkness is the 5th installment of the Tomb Raider video game in the series...
MDC19941 8 months ago
@MDC19941 ... TR1 - Atlantis / TR2 - Dagger / TR3 - Meteorite Artifacts / TR4 - Last Revelation / TR5 - Chronicles / TR6 - Angel of Darkness .
azraelkhan 8 months ago 21
@azraelkhan you showed him/her
nyancatmeows 5 months ago
@MDC19941 pwned.
loveresievil4 7 months ago
@MDC19941 Get your facts straight.
SheNoob087 6 months ago
Im Comming To Get Yoou <3
KABOOM! ♥
LOL
suyistone05 10 months ago 5
i'm comming to get yoou xD great!
AreYouPowerful 11 months ago
This has been flagged as spam show
''Beware of the big scary ghost'',''Where's Kurtis?''lolol
flamesdemon19 1 year ago
Beware of the big scary ghost
Where's Kurtis?
lolol
flamesdemon19 1 year ago
Kaboom <3
apurimies477 1 year ago
...last nice TR...
Magicacoca 1 year ago
Not 5 secs
furbyhacker92 1 year ago
@furbyhacker92
In 5 seconds = in a nutshell
These kind of videos are NOT supposed to be 5 seconds
Arcadeprehacked 8 months ago
"Beware of the big, scary ghost" o.O
Lol
ceasargra10 1 year ago 8
i gonna get you!!!!
naruto19487 1 year ago
where is kurtis XD
yoyorickboy17 1 year ago
lol "kaboom" so much enthusiasum
frogradar 1 year ago
Vernons dead
You killed vernon
Shut up!
xD
XxTheUnmissablexX 1 year ago
"BEWARE OF THE GHOST..."
tommapar88 1 year ago
to be fair, CD may have completely removed almost everything that made TR great, but AOD sucked. HARD! Far worse than anything CD did. As far as I'm concerned, the REAL Lara's still under that pyramid in TR4. AOD and every game afterwards is just some rich chick who raids tombs and also calls herself Lara Croft!
videogamenostalgia 1 year ago
I die from laugh but my little sister sleep so I try to not...
but it it's too hard
SaPiR118 1 year ago
Where's Kurtis?..
delightcroft 1 year ago 3
Werner's Dead...
You killed Werner?
Shut up!
JVlapleBoii 1 year ago 3
what does CJ-08 mean?
PoisoningOrchid 2 years ago
I'm coming to get yoooooou :)
clochetteduvaux 2 years ago
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Some rumors has been spread about Kurtis saying that he will be in Underworld and bla bla bla bla but I do want him back to continue the storyline coz people are saying that the storyline WAS confusing but it is a bit. But KURTIS IS NOT DEAD seriously coz that thingy vibrating thing was leading him to the gap wat lara walked into. But TRAOD was a bit crapy graphics but still.
bluebluebluemango 2 years ago
ur right kurtis not dead...because that thing has powers so it might got used with kurtis so it started vibrating to him...and why ould lara smile if he would be dead she knows that hes not dead......NOT DEAD!!11
cristianvasile555 2 years ago 4
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Magicacoca 2 years ago
@Magicacoca he isnt dead.
bleyaschnizel96 1 year ago
This has been flagged as spam show
It's 30 seconds , not 5. A little misleading eh
GeekOfComedy 2 years ago
Goodness, thank you! I hadn't realised.
azraelkhan 2 years ago
This has been flagged as spam show
OOooh well your welcome "Sarcasm"
GeekOfComedy 2 years ago
KillBill, wasn't it?
azraelkhan 2 years ago
This has been flagged as spam show
Was :p
GeekOfComedy 2 years ago
Thought so.
azraelkhan 2 years ago
@azraelkhan
It´s not a Tomb Raider is an adventure... is a experience... They are doing the Tomb Raider 9...
TRaider24682468 1 year ago
Oh my, I didn't notice! Thank you for pointing that out! =O
JacquelineNatla 2 years ago 5
awesome !!!!5/5&fave
Apedemak8 2 years ago
this was my least favourite of the tomb raider series. legend was the best in my opinion.
QueenOfControl 2 years ago
Are you kidding me? Legend was the worst. It was so short & so easy. How many levels were there? 8 was it? Lasted about 5-10 mins? 20 at max? You have a right to your opinion but I'm just saying. The best was by far the Original or the Second.
IamFnXtreme 2 years ago 3
The second was great. This game just didn`t have a Tomb Raider feel to it.
QueenOfControl 2 years ago
Anniversary was the worst to me. Made a mockery of my favorite character.
JacquelineNatla 2 years ago
Legend & Anniversary were almost the same so they are both horrible. Each CORE Tomb Raider game had a different effect while Crystal Dynamics feels the exactly the same in all three games. EASY.
IamFnXtreme 2 years ago 2
I can't stand Crystal Dynamics. The first three Core games were all different and fun, and the first three Crystal games suck ASS. They are all following each other and totally unoriginal. Bad ideas, bad characters, bad actors.
JacquelineNatla 2 years ago 3
Agreed.
IamFnXtreme 2 years ago
yeah i loved core...im a die hard core fan!
tombraiderAOD 2 years ago 19
This was the last good Tomb Raider game. That's how I see it.
JacquelineNatla 2 years ago 19
@JacquelineNatla yes, youre right. and core + crystal dynamics= a perect graphic!
bleyaschnizel96 1 year ago
@bleyaschnizel96
In all honesty I think Core Design could do better without Crystal Dynamics, but it would help Crystal Dynamics a lot if they used someone as smart as Core Design when it comes to actually coming up with good stories.
JacquelineNatla 1 year ago
okay...youre right. i dont want to kill natla in EVERY part because crystal dynamics hasnt got any other idea xD
bleyaschnizel96 1 year ago 2
@bleyaschnizel96
And I'm here to tell you: Crystal Dynamics are not going to come up with any other idea. I mean, they might come up with (Yet Another) add-on to the Avalon thing, the mommy/daddy worship thing, but really, they aren't going to do stray far.
JacquelineNatla 1 year ago
@JacquelineNatla
I know...okay, core´s best xD
bleyaschnizel96 1 year ago 3
@bleyaschnizel96
Haha, thank you.
JacquelineNatla 1 year ago
no problem...(*crystal dynamics are best xD*)
bleyaschnizel96 1 year ago
@bleyaschnizel96
That makes no sense. You're obviously wrong, but you are being hypocritical now. Which do you believe?
JacquelineNatla 1 year ago
hm..i think both are okay.
bleyaschnizel96 1 year ago
@bleyaschnizel96
I think I need to be less judgmental, but...
I just can't stand what Crystal Dynamics have done to Tomb Raider. It's not Tomb Raider anymore.
JacquelineNatla 1 year ago 6
why do ya think so? CD made TR better, but the story of the games is boring. thats what they had done.
bleyaschnizel96 1 year ago
@bleyaschnizel96
Crystal made Tomb Raider better? Why do YOU think so? I mean, really, WHY? In no way, shape, or form is Tomb Raider in any way better with them. Ugh. Horrible.
They haven't done anything but completely fuck up the series in my eyes. They made Lara into an emotional idiot, she cries over mommy and daddy all the time, the characters are horrible, and it's obvious they never played Tomb Raider 1 a day in their lives. Not even as much as watch the cut scenes.
JacquelineNatla 1 year ago 6
@JacquelineNatla Well, whether one thinks it's a better TR or worse is a personal opinion. But at least TR is alive and it's thanks to them.
I really don't get people bitching about CD, it's like you guys would rather see TR dead than changed.
fikujez 1 year ago
@fikujez
I absolutely would LOVE to see Tomb Raider dead than turned into a piss poor 'Lara is growing up and LEARNING about herself!' bullshit with limited ideas and little to no imagination.
Yeah. I complain at ignorance and stupidity. That's why I REALLY hate Crystal Dynamics. They are the kings and queens of it. I have NEVER seen such stupidity in a game in my LIFE.
JacquelineNatla 1 year ago
@JacquelineNatla I agree. To these people, better graphics + "developing" main character = substitute for plotline and challenging gameplay.
SexVoltage420 1 year ago
@SexVoltage420 Exactly. Lara was fine as she was. She didn't ned to be a crybaby over mommy and daddy. And to be honest, how they developed her was horrible...
JacquelineNatla 1 year ago
@JacquelineNatla I agree. All the other games leading up to these last couple have had nothing at all to do with Lara's feelings and dialogue and childhood traumas... Which was nice because then you could fill in the blanks for yourself however you wanted to. They are getting so specific about Lara's personality and emotions that if you don't like what they've decided she should be - and a lot of people don't - too bad for you.
SexVoltage420 1 year ago
@SexVoltage420 That is exactly how I feel. And now they are taking Tomb Raider right out of the name. They have a new game coming out called Lara Croft and the Guardian of Light. I am honestly getting really sick of Crystal Dynamics and the way they think. They don't care about how the fans feel. They simply just can't let the game die and go to Heaven. They have to try and drag it to Hell.
JacquelineNatla 1 year ago
@JacquelineNatla *Jumps in* - the Lara Croft game is just a spin off - the main Tomb Raider franchise will still maintain the 'Tomb Raider' title, thankfully!
azraelkhan 1 year ago
@azraelkhan - I am still not very happy with how either games are going... Crystal Dynamics have no idea what they are doing to the franchise.
JacquelineNatla 1 year ago
@azraelkhan - I'm honestly not too happy with it. The only time we can add the word 'thankfully' into the mix is if Crystal Dynamics gives up the franchise. IMO.
JacquelineNatla 1 year ago
@JacquelineNatla
Yeah, araelkhan is right. Rumor has it that a NEW game under the franchise of "Tomb Raider" is releasing late 2010, or early 2011. I believe it was called Tomb Raider Origins, but hey, I could be wrong. I just heard that on the forums.
FTWCjiddy 1 year ago
@FTWCjiddy - Ugh... They are still fucking around with Lara's past? I wish they would just go ahead and kill her off already so they can stop messing the franchise up. They have made a horrible mockery of Tomb Raider. I really hate them for that.
JacquelineNatla 1 year ago
@JacquelineNatla Well, this is the worst ever reviewed Tomb Raider. This game is the reason core design are no longer the developers. Check out Lara Croft and the Guardian of Light. It is a fantastic game.
MiniZee 1 year ago
@MiniZee - Well, they can review it badly all they want. Doesn't mean it's a bad game by any means. Guardian of Light (actually, that goes for ANY Crystal game, if you ask me) have no comparison with the Core games. I have been following up on that game since I first heard of it. Not trying to sound mean or anything, but there is no way that a fake Lara and a fake Tomb Raider coule ever out-do the original. I would rather hear a smart, strong Lara than listen to a crying, weak Lara. IMO, IMO.
JacquelineNatla 1 year ago
@JacquelineNatla I've also followed the games from the start and I hated AOD. Half the story was cut out because core couldn't finish the game in time, meaning it didn't even make sense. I don't know what you mean by a "crying, weak Lara". The reboot offers Lara with a much more developed, believeable personality. She's also a lot stronger and more determined, rather than just being a bitch like she was in AOD. Out of curiosity, have you even played Lara Croft and the Guardian of Light?
MiniZee 1 year ago
@MiniZee - I have played every Tomb Raider game out. And no... In no possible way is she more believable than before. For example. Tomb Raider Anniversary. She was too scared to kill Larson. Too scared to kill the black dude or the punk. In the original, she'd just pop a cap in their ass and leave. She does a scary job. She doesn't have the time to be gawking at her hands and crying. Her old personality was strong. Unafraid. It's just stupid and childish now. I can't stand what Crystal made her.
JacquelineNatla 1 year ago
@MiniZee - (2nd post) -By any rate, there are many people who adore AoD. And where did it not make sense? It was supposed to be a three-parter anyway, but of course, Eidos and Crystal Dynamics saw to it that this game never got finished. Lara in no way was a bitch in AoD. She just called it like she saw it. She had a survival instinct. She didn't need to cry or act timid when she was about to kill someone. She just did it because it was how it had to be. She faced facts. Good Lara.
JacquelineNatla 1 year ago
@JacquelineNatla She wasn't too scared to kill Larson, not did she cry. The point of that was it was her first human kill. AoD did not make sense - how did Lara know Karl when she's about to kill Eckhardt when she'd never met him before? Where did Kurtis' body go? He was completely impaled - meaning sure death - and he disappeared? I had a fondness for AoD when I very first played it, I saw what core tried to achieve, but they failed. The only time Lara has cried was in TR:4, by the way.
MiniZee 1 year ago
@MiniZee - Yeah, in TR4 she has a reason to cry. And no, she cried a lot in the Crystal games. She wasn't bawling for 20 minutes like I'm sure Crystal wanted, but she was crying. And AoD, that stuff was going to be explained later on. I mean, like I said, it was supposed to be a 3 parter. And yeah, she was way too afraid to kill Larson. She even made stupid faces the entire time. Gawked at her hands. And if he was her first kill, she should worry about it later. Her job is more important.
JacquelineNatla 1 year ago
@JacquelineNatla She did not cry. I've completed anniversary 3 times. Aside from that, all crystal dynamics has done is given her a bit of humanity. The thing you said about her pulling "stupid faces" - that was to show her reluctance to kill another human being. Your argument doesn't make sense. You said, "in TR4 she has a reason to cry" but her killing Larson is a bigger deal than some random guy dying and by your standards she should "worry about it later".
MiniZee 1 year ago
@MiniZee - Then play through it a fourth time. She cries. And Crystal Dynamics didn't do anything but take Lara Croft and change her into what they thought she should be, not the strong woman she really was. With a job like hers, you can't be reluctant. You can't be 'human', I suppose, although I have seen much stronger 'humans' than the new Lara. I mean, I would much rather travel through a dangerous place with the Lara who has confidence, not the one who whines all the time and is reluctant.
JacquelineNatla 1 year ago
@JacquelineNatla Oh, for goodness sake. You're the only one whining. AoD was 7 years ago. Get over it. And uploading videos about how much you hate Crystal? Pretty fucking sad. By the way, Toby Gard, the man who created Lara Croft, wrote most of the story for Underworld. If anybody knows who Lara Croft should be, I'm afraid it's him.
MiniZee 1 year ago
@MiniZee - Hey, back the fuck off. If you think I'm the only one 'whining' then ignore me and go about your business. But nah. So you're going to 'whine' along with me since you've run out of things to say? And obviously, I don't upload videos ABOUT how much I hate Crystal. Read the damn titles. And apparently, Toby Gard just decided he wanted Lara to be weak and petty or something. I don't know. Shit happens. Tomb Raider's not the only game the creator helped fuck over. So. Get over it. XD
JacquelineNatla 1 year ago
@JacquelineNatla I don't need to get over anything. I love the new games and the new Lara. Plus, it's hard to ignore all of the comments you've left on here. What's with the rampant negativity? It won't change anything, you realise?
MiniZee 1 year ago
@MiniZee - Well, I guess then neither one of us have a problem, other than the fact you're trying to stop me from saying what I choose. And I won't. It's a wasted effort. I figured we were adult enough to have a decent debate, but apparently you brought my tastes into the argument, which makes it more than a debate, and I don't think you want to go there. It's not hard to ignore the comments... Just block me or over look me. =)
JacquelineNatla 1 year ago
@JacquelineNatla I don't even understand what it was we were debating. Which games were better? That's subjective - to a point anyway. I just don't see the point in saying how much you hate something on some website. How is it benefitting anybody? I'm not trying to stop you from saying what you want. Free speech etc. I'm just pointing out how pointless it is. If you don't like the games, don't play them.
MiniZee 1 year ago
@MiniZee - I'm not really sure you understand. But whatever. So you weren't debating about anything this entire time, which means basically you were wasting both your time and mine. And why not? Give me something to do, and I'm being honest. I hate them, I'll say it, and I'll give reason. There may be a point, may not be. And whether I play them or not is definitely not up to you to either know nor decide, but that's a different story all together. Are we going to debate now?
JacquelineNatla 1 year ago
@JacquelineNatla Fine. Whatever. Pick a topic.
MiniZee 1 year ago
@JacquelineNatla BTW, you weren't really debating anything either.
MiniZee 1 year ago
@MiniZee - Wait a minute... Yes I was. I was debating on Lara's change. I always debate. That's all I ever do here.
JacquelineNatla 1 year ago
@JacquelineNatla You weren't debating it, you were saying it's shit full stop, "I will never give them (crystal) a chance to do things right". I appreciate that you prefer Tomb Raider pre-Legend, but a reboot was necessary and Crystal made some amazing changes - like the free-form design. Something as simple as allowing Lara to scale a wall and properly traverse it. I don't know if your problem lies in the games themselves, or in the character. The new Lara is kinder, wittier and more likeable.
MiniZee 1 year ago
@MiniZee - I will agree that the new Lara is kinder. But wittier and more likeable... Eeeeh, I would have to disagree there. To me, a woman with her job can not be kind. She can want to be kind, but she has to put her own life first. It's survival. She was waaay wittier and I adored her as a badass woman who wasn't afraid to kick an ass and leave. I'm tired of all these changes Crystal make. I find them ridiculous. I don't like the reboot at all. I wish someone more... Adventurous minded did it.
JacquelineNatla 1 year ago
@MiniZee - And I was debating it, but I do strongly believe that Crystal suck at making games. I have hated all of their games so far, because I just can't respect a hero who at one point was a major badass whom was a good role model to look up to... To basically someone I would never want to meet. Lara just went from hard to soft in an instant. Very uncharming. She lost a lot of her nerve, and it's just... I don't know, a turn off. Not in the sexual way boys would mean it, but just... Not cool.
JacquelineNatla 1 year ago
@JacquelineNatla Lara Croft still is a badass, there's no denying that, but she's just more humanistic at the same time. It's not her job, it's just what she does. Being tough and being kind aren't mutually exclusive.
MiniZee 1 year ago
@MiniZee - I consider it a job. She gets hired into doing stuff, that's how some of her adventures get started. So I consider a lot of it a job. And I don't find her more humanistic now... I actually find her weak. She can be kind, but she doesn't have to be... Like... Legend and Anniversary kind. She can be kind without constantly smiling and putting her hand on people's shoulders and stuff. I never imagined a woman like her to be so touchy-feely, I guess.
JacquelineNatla 1 year ago
@JacquelineNatla In the new continuity, she isn's getting paid to find out what happened to her mother. It's not a job, it's a compulsion. I don't think she's weak at all and I don't see a problem with her having friends or caring for other people.
MiniZee 1 year ago
@MiniZee - The thing is, I'm sick of her mother and father. She was disowned by her parents originally. Keep it that was. I don't want to watch her sob and struggle with petty emotions over her mother and father. In fact, her chasing her mother and father for 'the truth' is actually kind of gay, and just the kind of storyline I'd expect from a child's show. Compared to what Core had, finished or not, they still had better storylines than Crystal. More interesting, at least. Villain-wise, too.
JacquelineNatla 1 year ago
@JacquelineNatla I hardly think a story having sentiment makes it "gay"...
MiniZee 1 year ago
@MiniZee - Oh no, not at all. But what the sentiment is about is what could make it a win or fail. To me. And honestly, I would rather see the more serious Tomb Raider 1 than that silly wish-it-was Anniversary. When I first played Anniversary I seriously thought that not a single one of the employees at Crystal Dynamics had ever played through Tomb Raider 1. Maybe just kind of looked up the cut scenes. Skimmed through it.
JacquelineNatla 1 year ago
@JacquelineNatla Anniversary had to be different to TR1 because is was part of the Legend trilogy. That's why certain things were added to the story. The developers at Crystal have played Tomb Raider, of course they have. You can hear them talking about the original game in detail and why they made changes in the in-game commentary of Anniversary. Also, the sentiment worked for me. I never really liked the idea of her parents disowning her.
MiniZee 1 year ago
@MiniZee - So basically what you're saying is you just flat out pretty much didn't like Core. Well, that's how I feel about Crystal. And you have to explain why things were made in Tomb Raider, trust me I know. I want to argue about what happened, not be explained to on how things work, all right? But her parents disowning her made her go down a different path. She didn't have to worry and complain about them. She got down to business and took care of everything herself. Those days were better.
JacquelineNatla 1 year ago
@JacquelineNatla I did like Core, but they messed up with AoD. The only thing I said I didn't like was her parents disowning her. You're jumping to conclusions by saying I didn't like Core because of that comment. All I did in my previous comment was point out that Crystal have played the original game because you said they hadn't, and that Anniversary was never going to be just a copy of the first game.
MiniZee 1 year ago
@MiniZee - And you're putting words in my mouth. I never said 'Anniversary was never going to be a copy of the first game'. And I didn't say you didn't like Core BECAUSE of that. I just noted that you're a lot fonder of Crystal and very quick to give up on Core because of a mistake that really wasn't a mistake, because AoD was pretty good, if you ask me. I didn't expect Anniversary to be a 'copy' but I expected it to be presentable and NOT in the stupid Legend line. They ruined that game.
JacquelineNatla 1 year ago
@JacquelineNatla I meant that in my previous comment that I pointed out it wasn't going to be a copy, not that you said that. Anyway, AoD's gameplay was far behind the rest of its generation and the story didn't make sense, making for a sub-par game. Anniversary might not be perfect but it's years ahead of AoD in terms of gameplay and presentation. I wasn't quick to give up on Core. Things started going downhill after TR4. Core didn't develop the games enough as time went on.
MiniZee 1 year ago
@MiniZee - What I don't get is why that matters to you. I mean, Core came out with some amazing games. There is no reason for you to find Crystal Dynamics better because of their stupid 'graphics' or 'presentation' or 'gameplay'. Nothing no other game company can do nowadays anyway, and I actually think they suck. AoD can be behind the generation all it wants to be, but if the story and characters are better than newer stuff, then I'll pay much more for it. Core is worth more than Crystal anyway
JacquelineNatla 1 year ago
@JacquelineNatla Core did come out with some amazing games, but towards they end the games weren't amazing anymore. How a game plays is very important, because that's the point of a game. Story is secondary. New games have to adhere to a certain standard, it's an industry. You can't keep churning out the same thing year on year - you'll get left behind. You have to innovate. As I said before, I prefer the legend story arc and crystal certainly innovated with that game which refreshed the series.
MiniZee 1 year ago
@MiniZee - I don't really believe that. I mean, yes, I suppose for some reason the gameplay does have to be reasoned with, but honestly, I think I myself am behind the times, because I found AoD and below so much easier to control and more fun to play than Crystal. I mean, they changed simply everything about the controls, and I simply can't keep up very well. The tiny jumps, no more measuring your leaps and grabbing by yourself. When it comes to story, Core all the way yet again.
JacquelineNatla 1 year ago
@MiniZee - Reason being because Core put a lot more effort into their levels, it was much more beautiful, much more easier to play, and much more fun to relax with. I mean, comparing Tomb Raider 1 and Tomb Raider Anniversary... Hell, what am I saying. There is no comparison between the two. Tomb Raider 1 had a much more serious, much more entertaining storyline (levels as well) than what Crystal did to poor Anniversary. Oh my lord. I wanted to throw up and die when I first saw it, honestly.
JacquelineNatla 1 year ago
@JacquelineNatla If you're impressed by level design, then you should be playing TR:Underworld. That game has the most beautiful scenery and levels out of all the games. Plus, the control overhaul made the games easier to play, that was its purpose. It made the game more of a platformer, making the gameplay flow, which made it more fun. Also, turn manual-grab on. In terms of story, that's subjective. The standard of a game is less so.
MiniZee 1 year ago
@MiniZee - I have played Underworld both on PC and 360. I find it awful. I dislike it totally. Nothing about it is very beautiful to me. Seems so small. Like I said. Call me an oldie, but I find the Core world to be much bigger, much more... Deep. I'm not really sure how to actually describe it, but I think that is more my preference than really anything else. Underworld was just difficult for me, especially in controls. But I find the story to be more important than graphics or gameplay.
JacquelineNatla 1 year ago
@JacquelineNatla You can dislike Underworld, but there's no denying how beautiful that game is. It's incredibly lush and detailed. If story is the most important thing to you, read the tomb raider books or comics because gameplay is the most important thing in a game, just as words are the most important thing in a book.
MiniZee 1 year ago
@MiniZee - I don't believe that. Almost everyone I know, RL or online, do not just sit down and play a game to see smooth turns, jumps, or pretty trees and sky. Sorry, but I don't believe it. And I don't look at a book for it's pretty letters. I won't read, like anyone else, if there is a thousand pages of boredom, no matter how 'beautiful' the words are. :P Same with a game.
JacquelineNatla 1 year ago
@JacquelineNatla No, but you sit down to play a game. Gameplay is the most important thing because it's how you interact with the experience, it's your part in it. Same as you read a book. Sure, the story makes it more enjoyable, but it's extra.
MiniZee 1 year ago
@MiniZee - That's probably why I hate Crystal's games so much then. They try way too hard, and I find that they fail pretty epically. I can't stand their graphics, I can't even stand the controls. I don't see why some others enjoy it, but it's their choice. But I just can't see how it's any better than Core's... I control Lara in their games MUUUCH better than in Crystal's. I've wanted to break my controller because the controls are so ridiculous.
JacquelineNatla 1 year ago
@JacquelineNatla Even so, not liking a game doesn't make it shit, it just means it's not your thing. I feel I should point that Underworld has some of the best graphics out there, seeing as the Lara model in that is the most detailed videogame character at the moment.
MiniZee 1 year ago
@MiniZee - Details and pretty graphics don't make a game. People may be really excited by seeing pretty things, but then again, I guess they don't play video games for the same reason I do. I do it for the storyline, so I can actually play something interesting. I'm not the kind of person who could just sink into a boring game because it has the most beautiful graphics I've ever seen. I mean, a game isn't mean to be realistic. It's a game, fantasy. Lara's hideous now anyway, so. IMO.
JacquelineNatla 1 year ago
@JacquelineNatla I don't play games for the graphics either. I pointed out the graphics are amazing because you said you couldn't stand them. You said you can't stand the controls either as they were difficult. I don't see how a control system where you have to measure your jumps and grab manually is easier than crystal's. I love games with a decent storyline, but a game should be fun to play primarily. It's no good having a game with an awesome storyline that's shit to play. And Lara's hot.
MiniZee 1 year ago
@MiniZee - They aren't amazing, obviously, so that's why I can't stand them. If I can't stand them, no need telling me they're amazing, because I'm not going to believe you. And Crystal's Lara is anything but hot... She looks more innocent and soft and boring. Not nearly as hardcore as the old one. A game can be fun to play, but the storylines that Crystal come up with make the game not really worth playing. Hate 'em.
JacquelineNatla 1 year ago
@JacquelineNatla As I said, just because YOU don't like something doesn't make it not good. You not liking the graphics doesn't make them any less amazing, because they are some of the best out there - that's objective, not just my opinion. As for the story, whatever floats your boat. I like them.
MiniZee 1 year ago
@MiniZee - The only problem about debating with you. You pretend that your opinion is fact when it's just your word. Seriously, what you say isn't written in stone. And you won't make me believe that. And besides, I never really said that just because I said they were bad makes them bad. If you don't notice, after every post I make, I usually say something about 'in my opinion'. Read that part and stop trying to tell me what I say is wrong and argue about the game.
JacquelineNatla 1 year ago
@JacquelineNatla I don't pretend my opinion is fact. Certain things are objective. TR:U has some of the most detailed graphics i.e uses most polygons, making them some of the best. I don't THINK it has detailed graphics, that's a fact. Whether or not you like the look of the game is a different issue. If you still think it's my opinion, I'll point out that Lara Croft in Underworld holds the word record for most detailed videogame character. It's really not my opinion that the graphics are good.
MiniZee 1 year ago
@JacquelineNatla Also, in your previous post, you said, "They aren't amazing, obviously, that's why I can't stand them.", which comes across as, "I don't like them, so they must be shit.". When I stated something as fact, I backed it up with evidence, e.g the graphics and number of polygons, making it not just my opinion. In several of your posts there's been no, "in my opinion", and there's still been no evidence to back up what you say. And I am arguing about the game, right now, the graphics.
MiniZee 1 year ago
@MiniZee - Yeah, well, I can see that most of my posts have IMO on them most of the time. Might wanna check that out. Child-stuff aside, I simply can't stand the look of the totally new Lara Croft. She's all smiles, her eyes are soft, and she doesn't look nearly as aggressive as she used to. Crystal took all of her key personality traits away that made her awesome and turned her into a weak 'OMG WHAT HAVE I DONE STARE AT HANDS' person. I find her character very weak.
JacquelineNatla 1 year ago
@MiniZee - As for graphics, she can be in any magazine she wants. Who makes those magazines? People. Their opinions. It's not fact. lol. I don't care who or what say it. I mean, I've seen some magazines say that Crystal's games are better than Core's. Lol, and I KNOW that's a lie.
JacquelineNatla 1 year ago
@JacquelineNatla I did check it out...but you've gone and don't the same thing again, "I KNOW that's a lie."? No, you don't. It's your opinion. Magazine? Uh...no. It was in the guinness world book of records, actually. So it is a fact.
MiniZee 1 year ago
@MiniZee - As much as Pluto being a planet, to Pluto being a star. Fact can turn into fiction in the blink of an eye. So... Lol. Nope, s'not fact.
JacquelineNatla 1 year ago
@JacquelineNatla That's a completely retarded argument. Astronomers who thought Pluto was a planet didn't change their mind in the blink of an eye, they gathered more evidence over time and came to a consensus. Not that it has ANYTHING to do with what we were talking about at all. First you state your opinion as if it's fact, then you refute actual fact. You are an idiot.
MiniZee 1 year ago
@MiniZee - And you are a complete idiot for not understanding what I said, you stupid fuck. Exactly what I mean, people think that fiction is fact. I mean, for gods sakes you dumbass, they changed what they thought into something else they think. It'll probably get changed again. Beat your fucking head against a wall and maybe you'll be able to make god damn valid argument, you stupid worthless shithead. I know that I just insulted you, but I thought we were going to leave personal insults out-
JacquelineNatla 1 year ago
@MiniZee - of the whole argument. I guess that proves that you really can't debate like I thought you could. And you call me a fucking idiot? You're doing just the same thing as I am, thinking your bullshit actually is worth anything or even makes sense. And right now it's not true, just because it's in a damn book. And no argument is stupid if it's true and makes sense, you fucking imbecile.
JacquelineNatla 1 year ago
@JacquelineNatla I understood your "argument", but it's stupid because it isn't related. Collective knowledge is updated as time goes on, but we're debating a videogame, not science. You're actually debating that TR:U doesn't use more rendered polygons on Lara than any one other game? Because that's wrong. It's not just any book the is in. It's a book of records, facts, current to that year. On what grounds can you refute that? Seriously. I know exactly how tyo debate, but it's difficult when--
MiniZee 1 year ago
@MiniZee - I didn't get the rest of your comment. It either didn't show up near your post, or it's gone.
JacquelineNatla 1 year ago
@JacquelineNatla Should be there now.
MiniZee 1 year ago
@JacquelineNatla faced with someone like you. Someone who thinks putting forward their opinion then someone disagreeing is debating. It requires you to back it up. Something you seem completely incapable of doing. You respond to any point I make with "well I don't believe it lol" and seem to think that makes it not true. On what grounds is the point I made not true?
MiniZee 1 year ago
@MiniZee - Honestly, I was just trying to keep things pretty settled. I mean, you are going to believe what you believe, and I'm going to believe what I'm going to believe. When two people disagree, I consider that debating. But I'm not going to get into a huge rant because you masturbate over the new Tomb Raider and I disagree with it. I mean, you can sit here all day and bitch and moan about the GWB and Lara being in it, but I'm not going to believe it. It's not even really TR anymore, so. ->
JacquelineNatla 1 year ago
@MiniZee - It really doesn't matter. And besides, it's obviously not just debating. You're trying to get pretty deep into the argument, yano, calling me an idiot and so on. You sit there and bitch and moan that I have no proof, yet you're calling me an idiot? lol. I'm just saying what I think. I believe what I want. You can't change my mind, no one can. We can sit and rant and ramble all day. You won't get anywhere. You don't even listen to my reasons without insulting me in some way. Forget it.
JacquelineNatla 1 year ago
@JacquelineNatla So your arguement amounts to, "I believe what I want, in spite of the facts and I was just churning out my opinion anyway.". What a waste of time.
MiniZee 1 year ago
@MiniZee - Then I'll ask you this: What exactly were you trying to achieve by spouting off what you believe to be true? To persuade me? Blow off steam? You're not doing a very good job, at least with persuasion. Tip: Next time you 'debate' with someone, don't insult them. They tend to not give a shit what the hell you think whether it's right or wrong. Which, in this case, I believe to be wrong. So. And you're just more in it to try and make me feel stupid, not really debate. So... Why? Yano.
JacquelineNatla 1 year ago
@JacquelineNatla What I believe to be true? That TR:Underworld holds a world record? Yeah, I made that up...You're one to lecture on debating. Two people disagreeing is not a debate, that's a disagreement. Aside from that, I am not in this to make you feel stupid. That's not the kind of person I am. I dislike your close-minded attitude. Disagreeing with or disliking something on principle is a highly flawed idea.
MiniZee 1 year ago
@MiniZee - I know what kind of person you are though. One of those wanna-be smartasses. The exact kind that pisses me off. I didn't say you made up that stupid shit on Underworld holding a world record. Don't put that shit in my mouth. I disagree with it, big deal. And two people disagreeing and arguing about it is obviously debating over it. Well, the adult form of it, anyway. You can dislike my close minded attitude, and I can dislike your smartass attitude. And elaborate your last sentence.
JacquelineNatla 1 year ago
@JacquelineNatla I'm really not a smartass and you really don't know what kind of person I am. And on what grounds do you disagree with a fact? My last sentence refers to something I brought up earlier, something you wrote - "I will never give them (crystal) a chance to do things right...". Meaning that anything crystal does in future, you plan to dislike for the sake of it - close-minded.
MiniZee 1 year ago
@MiniZee - Well, if I don't know what kind of person you are, then don't open your damn mouth about the kind of person I am. Don't bitch about what you can't handle. And I don't plan to dislike them for the sake of it. I plan to dislike them for completely and utterly ruining my favorite game series that I loved and played since childhood. I mean, their storylines are horrid, their idea of Lara Croft/Tomb Raider is horrid, just... Everything about them I can't stand. Never could.
JacquelineNatla 1 year ago
@JacquelineNatla I commented on the attitude you displayed, not who you are, Don't bitch about what I can't handle? What is that, exactly? In fact, don't answer. I don't care. Your opinion doesn't matter to me. Anyone who favours their opinion over fact is delusional and I'm bored of your irrationality and immaturity now.
MiniZee 1 year ago
@MiniZee - And I'm commenting on the attitude you displayed as well. And don't bitch about what you can't handle? If you're going to bitch, then don't be such a damn shithead when people bitch back at you. And if my opinion doesn't matter to you, then why are you throwing out yours? It's not like really anyone else does, or really should, for either one of us. And really? So you're going to basically throw out an attack to people who dislike what you masturbate to? Idiot. Bored? Just running-
JacquelineNatla 1 year ago
@MiniZee - out of things to say. If you are going to call me irrational, I think you need to go back and play any TR game by Crystal Dynamics. Replay Core's games too. Immaturity? Don't fucking go there. You're no better than me in that area.
JacquelineNatla 1 year ago
@JacquelineNatla I'm not running out of things to say, I just don't wish to interact with you any longer. It's tedious. I'm not better than you in terms of maturity? Because I like something you don't that means I "masturbate" over it? If I was as pathetic as you, I would say something stupid like "just because you masturbate over jacqueline natla blah blah blah", but I have more self-respect than that. Do us both a favour and don't respond to this. I no longer have an interest in this exchange.
MiniZee 1 year ago
@MiniZee - You were the one that started with the insults. So don't bitch about me insulting your masturbating over Crystal's Lara. And I think you are. You haven't come up with a single argument yet that I couldn't think of a way around, and that pisses you off. And stop telling me what to do, that just proves even further that you're a stupid idiot. You're no better than me, so shut the FUCK up when you're trying to tell me to do something. And more self respect? Don't make me laugh, bitch.
JacquelineNatla 1 year ago
@JacquelineNatla You seriously think you've had a logical response to a single argument I put forward? That's laughable. Do you really think saying I "masturbate" over something negates a point? The fact you're saying I'm as bad as you, and that you have such a low opinion of me is insulting yourself. For the last time, I am not interested in your illogical ramblings or what you think of me, so fuck off.
MiniZee 1 year ago
@MiniZee - You apparently are interested in my 'illogical ramblings' because you keep coming back to them. So who cares if I think lowly of myself? You want me to stop sounding 'illogical' so you should stop stating the fucking obvious like a dipshit would have to to figure anything out in the first place. I never said that you masturbating over anything pointed to anything. Tell me where I said that. So... You can follow your own advice and fuck off too. =/ Idiot. lol
JacquelineNatla 1 year ago
@MiniZee - Laugh all you wish, for you, my friend, are a hypocrite.
JacquelineNatla 1 year ago
@JacquelineNatla You said I was annoyed because I couldn't come up with an argument you couldn't get around, but all you've done in response to me arguments is claim I masturbate over a videogame character and display how many curse words you know. I have to admit, it's an impressive display of intellectual acumen on your part. In what way am I a hypocrite? Please enlighten me.
MiniZee 1 year ago
@MiniZee -That's not all I've done. If you go back and read, I've said a lot more than just masturbate and cursing. Now let's be honest here. XD And if you're impressed by that, then you need to get out more. =/ In what way are you a hypocrite? 1.) You want me to shut up, but you keep going like I do. 2.) You keep saying that I don't have maturity and self respect, but who can't quit arguing as well? If you're so mature then walk away. xD But you can't and you won't. And I love it. Control much.
JacquelineNatla 1 year ago
@JacquelineNatla I want to stop putting forth illogical arguments, not to shut up. If you presented your case well, I wouldn't care, but you can't or don't. And me arguing doesn't mean I don't have self respect, but me resorting to cursing instead of intelligible conversation like you have would.
MiniZee 1 year ago
@MiniZee - I don't know... Stooping to insulting the other person seems pretty close to either falling out of the argument category, or it seems pretty ridiculous in itself. You weren't exactly presenting your case by trying to call me an idiot. So fine, if you see it this way, why not start the debate over again? I'll just present my case and you present yours. Fair? Or done?
JacquelineNatla 1 year ago
@JacquelineNatla I may have called you an idiot, yes. I got annoyed that you disregarded a fact simply because it disagreed with something you said. That's not how rational discussion works. Your response was to call me a total shithead, idiot, bitch and that I should smack my head off a wall...Our differing opinions aren't the issue. I know you hate crystal, that's fine. My problem is with the way you express your opinion. It's extremely venomous and hostile. There's no need for it.
MiniZee 1 year ago
@MiniZee - I'll admit to you I can be venomous and hostile, yeah, and I could chill out on being so aggressive, but I won't sit back and let someone insult me. I can't just sit there and let someone act like they're above me because my idea of a rational discussion and their differs. If you feel that I simply disregarded a fact, then I either wasn't paying attention or didn't feel like you were taking me seriously and threw out a fuck of an answer, which is how I felt through most of the debate.
JacquelineNatla 1 year ago
@JacquelineNatla Well, if i didn't take you seriously, I never would have bothered responding.
MiniZee 1 year ago
@MiniZee - Then I apologize. Would you like to restart?
JacquelineNatla 1 year ago
@JacquelineNatla I accept your apology and I apologise for calling you an idiot, but I have no desire to restart. I don't need any more negativity in my day-to-day life.
MiniZee 1 year ago
@MiniZee - If you wish.
JacquelineNatla 1 year ago
@JacquelineNatla And by the way, you saying fact can change to fiction is you acknowledging that it's fact. Seeing as the guinness world book of records is updated every year, eventually something will overtake TR:U, but right now it's true. So you're still wrong.
MiniZee 1 year ago
Perhaps someday Crystal Dynamics will stop dicking around and actually bring Kurtis in...I mean it's the least they could do after kicking Core out of their place...
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