"Good, now you can get back to shoving your head up Christopher Hitchen's ass like the rest of the atheists " yep thats a nice respectful response. way to make ur self seem intelligent...
@bj07bran7 No, no. This has nothing to do with Hitch. He doesn't even enter into this conversation.
When you include Adolf Hitler in a list of infamous atheists, that's called being dishonest. I don't care how you try to deflect that point, but that's the only one I was making.
@FrankLightheart Hitler was techincally protestant, but even at that he recreated the God of the Bible in his own twisted way and replaced genuine pastors with his own nazi pastors. He hated christianity and the only reason he said he believed in it was to gain the sanction of Germany.
@lilpeaceacrap He made claims like he was doing Jesus's bidding by ridding the world of Jews. After so many assassination plots failed, he took it as a sign that God was on his side. Doesn't sound like the actions of someone who hates religion. Twisted or not, he believed it whole-heartedly and he got an entire nation of otherwise decent Christians to go along with him.
You know all this, and yet you call him an atheist in your video. That's called lying.
@lilpeaceacrap After posting that last comment, I noticed that you are not the person I was talking with earlier. My apologies for the misunderstanding.
@FrankLightheart That's ok, but as I said do you know for sure he believed in it? There are many of his quotes that explain my statement. If you want me to send links to them I would be more than happy to do so.
@lilpeaceacrap No one can know for certain what goes on inside someone's head. Is it possible that Hitler could've been a closet atheist and just SAID he was Christian to rally and rule his country? I suppose it's possible, but it's pretty preposterous to imagine and ingenuous to assume. We can get a pretty good idea from his actions and words that he was an anti-Jewish and anti-atheist Christian. Hitler's specific denomination is irrelevant to me.
@FrankLightheart The denomination is relevant because catholics and protestants may look the same from the outside, but once you understand both religions in full, you can clearly see the differences.
@lilpeaceacrap The differences are irrelevant to the point I was making initially.
Catholic, Protestant, Methodist, Muslim, or Mormon it doesn't matter. The author of this video is lying about Adolf Hitler being an atheist. He's trying to blame Hitler on atheism and that is totally false. If you can make a case for him being Protestant, good for you, but it doesn't alter my stance at all.
(although I don't believe the Catholic church ever excommunicated Adolf, now that I think of it)
@FrankLightheart The cathcolic church doesn't excommunicate people anymore. You excommuniate yourself. He did that. Plus even if you take Hitler out of the equation you still have Mau Sai Tung, Joseph Stalin, and World War I that killed more people than christianity ever did. That being said atheists have killed more people in 1 century than christianity EVER has.
@lilpeaceacrap That's certainly debatable. I mean, the church excommunicated Gerbils for marrying a Protestant. And Hitler considered himself Catholic, "I am now as before a Catholic and will always remain so."
As for the rest of it, I find it a little difficult to imagine someone killing in the name of non-God. And yet on the other hand, it's very easy to imagine someone, feeling justified in their conviction, killing in the name of their God.
Your logic is awful. Yes, God can be proven not to exist. How do you know god exist outside of the natural law? Where is that evidence? You assume is he. This is why your logic is just awful.
"Hence today I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord"
What? If you watch TV, you'll see whatever is on the channel that you choose to watch. Mainstream media hardly makes it seem like 'the majority of people are secular and atheists.' The majority of Americans claim to be Christians. This is a fact.
DO NOT LISTEN TO PEOPLE WHO MAKE THINGS UP, LIKE THIS USER. THEY ARE TRYING TO JUSTIFY THEIR CONFUSION RATHER THAN LOOK AT WHAT IT IS THEY ARE BELIEVING IN LIKE RATIONAL, OBJECTIVE ADULTS.
This guy may not realize it, but this is just propaganda.
@bj07bran7 First, this is complete propaganda. What you believe is on TV is ONLY based on what YOU choose to watch, and how YOU choose to take it.
Nothing can 'validate' atheism. There is nothing to validate. Atheism is the lack of anything that needs to be validated.
Either way, if you were logical, you'd say 'it goes both ways.' And you'd also say the mainstream media leans Christian. If they didn't, those running for office wouldn't use it, due to our heavily Christian population.
BTW, you should read Mein Kampf. There are some obvious references to Hitler's Roman Catholicism. He was not an atheist.
In fact, you should watch 'The End of America' (just youtube it, it's about an hour-fifteen). Our country is much more similar to ol' Adolf's than you'd suspect. A large portion of these similarities could be explained by the willingness of the masses in America to succumb to authority, in this case, Yahweh (I assume).
Somehow, I don't think you've read that. Surprise.
@Cannablisst Hitler was not a theist. He thought himself to be God and wanted to take over the world.
Hitler denounced Catholicism early on in his life. There are sporadic random quotes of him referencing a God but there are also quotes that point to him being an atheist.
@bj07bran7 Even if that's what you believe he was, and neither of us obviously could ever KNOW what he truly believed, unless he told us.
Let's say Hitler was an atheist. Okay. Even though you admit he believes in a God (supposedly himself). He obviously couldn't have truly believed he was all-powerful. He knew he was not. He was a human.
But for the sake of argument, we'll call Hitler an atheist. Never once did he claim his genocide was done in the name of atheism, so you're still an idiot.
Whatever you want to classify Hitler as is really neither here nor there, it's that you are blaming atheism for his atrocious deeds. This is where you become the retard. Do you understand?
Being an atheist does not mean everything you do is based in your atheism. That's the whole point of 'being' and atheist. You choose what you do in your life, not some group you're associated with and their ancient mythology.
@bj07bran7 Okay. That changes...absolutely fucking nothing. Thanks, though.
The fact that Jews are Jews doesn't change anything.
Hitler still didn't kill anyone in the name of atheism.
Even if he were an atheist (for the sake of argument, because he was not), YOU are the one making the connection between his atheism and his killing. He didn't make that connection.
So if an atheist does something bad, it's for atheism? FUCKING RETARDED. READ A BOOK. Not a holy one, those don't exist.
@bj07bran7 Jews are not a religious group as such, they can best be described as a people. A person is Jewish if their mother is, regardless of their beliefs. (Look up Jewish Atheism on Wikipedia)
Regardless, How can you say these actions were done in the name of the atheism? This is impossible, as atheism is a non-position. The only reason the label exists is because it was once the norm to believe in a god.
@bj07bran7 And yet you said "Jews are Jews because of their religion." That phrase would imply a non-religious Jew is not a Jew. Regardless of the semantics, you still haven't responded the issue here. Saying Hitler and/or Mao did anything "in the name of" atheism is absurd. They did what they did because of their own sick ideologies, and they may or may not have been atheists. The difference is that people CAN (and have) actually commit atrocities in the name of a specific god.
@Cannablisst You're right. Stalin was an Atheist but after the war he rebuilt over 70,000 churches. Everything he did was for the people not Atheism. Its the same for anyone else.
@bj07bran7 Hitler specifically mentions in a speeches that he was against atheism and that religious faith was necessary for a moral society. He goes on to say that his crusade against the Jews was mandated by God.
These aren't things a suspected atheist would say.
Doubtless, he was convinced of his own importance, but it doesn't mean Adolf fancied himself God incarnate.
Also, it's not an answer to say that you don't have to answer where God came from because he/she is outside the natural universe. God would still be bound by certain constraints, such as the law of identity (can God exist and not exist at the same time? Of course not. Can God create a bigger stone that he can lift?... contradictions still apply). If God is bound by these constraints then God would need the same explanation that the universe would need for it's existence.
Hitler was a lifelong catholic, the Nazi Platform specifically stated that it was based on Christianity. Christopher Hitchens slapped down the Mao/Stalin/Pol Pot were atheists and thus atheism is "responsible" argument in under 3 minutes. Search on Youtube for "hitchens stalin" and watch the first link.
HAHAHA!!! Hitler did not kill the Jews because of their Religion, he did it because he believed they were to blame for many terrible things in the past, and Germany's past especially. Hitler was a Christian who believed the Aryan race (blonde hair, blue eyes) were created by God to control the world, and he would deliver the World into their hands to earn his way into Heaven. Read Mein Kampf you idiot!
This is just plain insulting to the intelligence of people everywhere. It should also be considered insulting to theists, because any good Christian/Muslim/Jew/Hindu/Misc knows that they cannot presume to know the will of God/Allah/Yahweh/Krishna/Robocop and that to preach/witness to the masses about how a deity lives outside the laws of nature is to assume knowledge that you have been denied by your god for a reason. This would be called blasphemy in some circles. Infidel.
I wasn't expecting a fantastically thought out argument here, but I'm really stuck on one point. "It is more probable that a deity or deities created the universe." There is no explanation as to why this is more logical. That's an amazing leap of logic to overlook if you want to provoke thought amongst people who consider themselves rationalists rather than devout. I'm happy for religion to exist, but the argument against atheism has to be more compelling than "because I said so."
Yes how many people have been saved by God? How many have been lifted from poverty? How fucking many huh? Hitler did kill people...the JEWS! So their religion did kill them. Saying " There are no atheist in fox holes" Saying "all dead men in foxholes are christians". religion is sooooo rudimentary. All religion dies with education. Teach kids math and physics and watch it unwind!!!!!
You got to be kidding me... So there is a guy somewhere in space or in the sky with a white beard that created everything? There is a whole bunch of guys that lived to around 700 years? That makes so much sense.
It is beyond argument nowadays. Religion cannot make an argument without being overpowered entirely by reason and logic! It is offensive to believe in god in present day! Have we not come to far to believe in stories created merely thousands of years ago to explain things they didn't understand. We have answered and are pushing for more answers on everything the bible covers with an umbrella answer. All religion is so disgustingly flawed and corrupt and has no place in modern day society
I can guarantee that it is zero percent probable that if there were a deity, it wishes you to know of its existence, much less worship it. The world operates as a natural and uncaring set of events. Frankly, though, I think it would help you to understand the possibility of a multiverse, combined with the anthropic principle, along with the basic concept of emergence. Non-thinking, natural simple laws result in order on many scales.
How many more people have been saved by science? How many technologies and jobs for the world come from the fact we have the technological fruits thereof? Also, you don't seem to understand the definition of theism or atheism. They are not "proof of god" or "proof of no god". It's what you do or do not believe. Everyone either does or does not believe. Also, you replace a simple mystery: "what caused energy of big bang?" with an impossible mystery:"what created an omnipotent intelligence?"
Fair arguement though I wish this 'probable' deity would reveal itself in a thoroughly more convincing holy book. The Bible and Quran were obviously written by bronze age men.
The problem with your argument is that you consider a priori that the deity(s) exist outside of nature without any evidence or any logic explanation for it. How can you proof, or at least make a logic argument, that the possible deity(s) is (are) outside and not inside of nature? The whole idea of a God is “supported” by his own suppositions. That’s why the atheists don’t take the God idea seriously.
Hittler was not an atheist. He was catholic. Here is one of Hittler's public statements: "The folkish-minded man, in particular, has the sacred duty, each in his own denomination, of making people stop just talking superficially of God's will, and actually fulfill God's will, and not let God's word be desecrated. For God's will gave men their form, their essence and their abilities. Anyone who destroys His work is declaring war on the Lord's creation, the divine will."
It is true that every cause has a causation, but that doesn't mean the causation has to be teleological. In fact, most causes don't have a teleological causation, but a physical causation. For example, the existence of our brain, one of the most complex structures known so far, is a product of evolution from a common ancestor we share with other forms of life. If you study the nature of evolution, you can understand it's a non-teleological process, but a mere mechanical process.
By the way, I’m not an atheist, I’m agnostic, and we agnostics simply accept the fact that there are many possible explanations for existence itself, and that the real answer can be even more incredible than we, or any religion, could possibly imagine.
Therefore, among the infinite number of possible explanations for the origin of the universe, why would the explanation of a God be the correct answer? The only close minded here are the theists that are only willing to accept one possible explanation for the existence of the universe...(continue)
What if the universe was not created and has always been there (as proposed by the Big Bounce theory)? What if my cat created the universe last Thursday? I can keep inventing explanations, which may sound absurd, but… Show me that my cat did not create the universe! You can’t because, like the existence of a God, all the above explanations are irrefutable...(continue)
What if the universe was created by Allah? Or if it was created by Buda? And if it was created by an alien who came from another dimension? What if it was created by a giant turtle? Maybe it was a product of the imagination of another person in another universe? What if it was created by a person who created a time machine to go back in time to create the universe to give rise to the individual who created the time machine to go back in time to create the universe?...(continue)
You may think that atheists are close minded, yet theists can only accept one possible explanation for existence: An omnipotent God that created the universe. But the existence of God cannot be proven or refuted. That means it is an irrefutable hypothesis. The problem of irrefutable hypothesis is that there is a virtually infinite amount of irrefutable explanations that can also explain the existence of the universe...(continue)
@uselessknowledge1 Well I'm sure Darwin never fought to discredit creation HIMSELF, though there have been plenty of people on BOTH sides trying to discredit the other. Some people more than others, but they're there. And I don't think that that's the scientific thing for scientists to do. They shouldn't be trying to prove evolution, they should just be looking for facts. Let facts be facts, and hypotheses be hypotheses. If you don't have enough support for it don't push for it to be truth.
@uselessknowledge1 Yes, I have heard of those, but there are also the people who had an exorsism done to them and they even said themselves that they were healed. What makes these people any less believable than the people who say "the birds are changing"? Is it because they are determined to prove their ideas and disprove the other sides beliefs?
@uselessknowledge1 Which examples? You mean the deformed fruit flies and the different birds staying different birds? No evidence for a supernatural presents? what about miraculous healings and exorcisms?
@uselessknowledge1 God straight out commands us NOT to kill. It's one of the ten commandments. You know the one. "Thou shalt not kill." I don't recall the bible having God telling people to go out and murder. It has records of what people have done in the past, records of wars that were fought, battles that were fought and won, or lost. Just because the bible tells about a man who murdered in cold blood doesn't mean that the bible is telling you to murder in cold blood.
@uselessknowledge1 Well then those people are mistaken, this life matters very much. It is the time when we decide which afterlife we go to. And faith in evolution also convinces evil people into thinking that this life doesn't matter. That there is no meaning to it.
@uselessknowledge1 If faith is such a bad thing why does everyone have it, and why does faith in God give hope and an inner peace to people all over the world? Faith is just a natural part of living. You have faith. You believe that randomness started this world, and if there was proof that there was a God, would you honestly choose to switch your viewpoint? Be honest here, please.
@uselessknowledge1 Which god are they praying to? And it is true that God is good, but he is also holy and just. He gives people free will to do with as they please. And he allows millions to become prosperous so they can help those people living in squaller. You see people opening up rehabs and homeless shelters, and many people in the fight to stop the selling of people. And it doesn't matter if they are rich or poor, ALL people will have to account for their actions.
@uselessknowledge1 Evolution has yet to be proven also. If the requirement to become a fact is that it can't be disproven yet, then the Christian genesis story is true also.
@uselessknowledge1 Yes, I know through my FAITH what my afterlife will be like. I never said anything was wrong with not knowing, because nobody CAN know, so I believe it's true through my faith.
@uselessknowledge1 Page 2: You're acting as if he's encouraging the slavery they practiced in the south, with the beating for no reason, but that's not it at all. Exodus 21:7: They were referring to a custom practiced at that time, setting rules they must follow so as not to go completely out of control. Judges 21:10-24: They were taking wives, not rape victims, and it even says in verse 25 that there was no king so they only did what was right in their eyes, not in the eyes of the Lord. c.o.p.3
@uselessknowledge1 Leviticus 26:7-9: That's not talking about genocide, it's talking about defending yourself from people coming against you, but they will be chased away and defeated. Exodus 34:11-14: That was talking about chasing them away, not killing them. The only thing they did was smash the idols and altars. Colossians 3:22: He wasn't encouraging it, he was just acnoledging that it happens, and after that he tells the masters to be fair and just with their slaves. continue on page 2.
@uselessknowledge1 And anyways, all this evolution talk is a moot point if you can't prove how the first cell came to being, or how it became a multi-cellular being, and how all those cells became totally different cells to suit different bodily function. You have just as much proof for your creation story than I do for mine. that is to say, none. We are both people of faith, just faith in different things.
@uselessknowledge1 Have I judged you? I haven't judged you. I've noticed you judging me, but I don't think I've judged you. And I am of the opinion that believing I'm just another primate is a bit more primitive. And we don't sacrifice anything at all. We ask for our God to do things and he answers yes or no, and that's the end of it. And we believe that Satan has the power over the Earth because that's where God let him be.
@uselessknowledge1 page 2: Yes, the muslims have a prophet that they follow the teaching of, and the Jews don't believe that Jesus was their Messiah. Jesus fills the prophesies for the Messiah, so I believe that he is the Messiah who came here to redeem all of our sin if only we accept it. And many of the religions do not exist anymore except as mythology...... And what Exactly DO the Scientologists believe in?
@uselessknowledge1 I'm not pulling any card. I'm just trying to imagine the eventual outcome. We WILL both die eventually. I'm just wondering what the general end result will be. I mean, this is our eternal afterlife here. You should be thinking about this. And you obviously have no idea what you're talking about. Where in the bible does it ENCOURAGE genocide, slavery, and rape. And the Muslims, Jews, Christians, and Catholics are all branches of the old Abrahamic religion. We have the same God.
@uselessknowledge1 Well there are the dinosaurs, which were all wiped out by a world wide disaster. Not to mention all those fossils of animals that lived in the past that were gone before the great disaster. And all the organisms killed by mans hands and ways. The deforestation and introduction of new animals into an ecosystem and completely screwing it up. Man killed them. I know that doesn't sound as pretty as They weren't strong enough so they dropped dead, but at least i didn't make it up.
@uselessknowledge1 So Darwin released different species to see if they would be different from eachother in the future?... Spoiler alert!! the different species will still be different species...
@uselessknowledge1 Yes, it's more rational to believe that the polar bear in the snowy regions stayed alive. The Grizzlys would have died out because they couldn't reproduce fast enough and they're offspring died because they didn't have the right traits to survive. What's more likely, with the continents at least, is that they were designed and placed there. With islands and such it's likely the animals moved to the regions of the island that had food they had access to.
@uselessknowledge1 page 3:What if I'm right and you're wrong? then you go to Hell and suffer eternally while I'm in Heaven enjoying eternal bliss. What if I'm wrong and you're right? then I lived a good life where I felt like a good person and tried to do what was right, while you live a life with you having the understanding that you are nothing but an animal persuing your primitive lusts to your hearts content. Either way I have a great gig going, but you have a 50/50 chance of a great prize.
@uselessknowledge1 page 2: And I believe in God because it is more logical than thinking that the 1 in a million mutations (most of which cause death) made all of this diversity that all fits together pretty well. Not to mention it makes sense to go with the side that says your soul goes to a place of eternal pain and suffering when you die if you don't believe in it, than the one that says there is no afterlife and we cease to exist when we die. Continue on page 3.
@uselessknowledge1 The experiments that made those flies deformed? Or the different animals that went to the island nobody knows when? They did not evolve to better suit they're environment, they moved to the environments that suited their characteristics. Who knows how many times they may have moved due to the changes environments go through. And when you see transitional fossils what you see is dots said to resemble something because someone said so and connected the dots. Continue on page 2
Arguing with people with such strong faith of their religion is rather pointless as their basic knowledge and understanding of everything is so influenced by their early teaching, that if they were to change their perpectiv they would have to change their entire perseption of reality. let them have their faith.
You are cherry picking your issues, the ones you raise and the ones you address. It is actually MORE probable that THIS Universe was created by two protons colliding at near the speed of light or faster. Read Leonard Susskind's book "The Cosmic Landscape: String theory and the illusion of intelligent design". Your ignorance about probabilities and science is quite obvious. Yes, it's POSSIBLE that THIS Universe was created by a being rather than by chance, but NOT more PROBABLE.
you tell us "WE KNOW NOTHING for certain", yet you're proving that god exists because WE KNOW NOTHING about what in nature caused the universe? you're contradicting yourself bro. who's to say that the cause of the universe is out of the reach of the human mind but not supernatural at all?
@uselessknowledge1 page 2:And evolution is NOT a scientific theory. If anything it is a scientific hypothesis. A theory must go through rigorous testing before even being considered to be a theory. Evolution has not gone through physical, observable, nor repeatable testing. Neither evolution nor creation can be considered a theory. both are religions that are believed and followed with faith. Neither can be either disproven or proven. It just depends on which one is the logical choice to believe
@uselessknowledge1 If they weren't in his Aryan race then whatever minority they were in mattered very little to him. The fact that they are persecuted today by fundamentalist christians is a coincidence. If you believe that what you believe is the only truth then of course you will tell everyone else was wrong. and considering both groups were/are alone against the rest of the world they will no doubt be against the same groups that the "rest of the world" is made of. continue to page 2:
@uselessknowledge1 Where do you get your information from. Hitler was not a Christian. He believed in the religion of evolution. That's how he justified all those countless murders. He believed that his Aryan race was evolutionally superior to everybody else. And while he knew he couldn't just kill everybody everywhere he just concentrated on where he could kill them: the empire he controlled. And people do have knowledge about the universe and the things in it. That is why we assert a creator.
@uselessknowledge1 Why does God need to have a beginning? I believe he has no beginning and no end. Though that is impossible for me to even imagine what that would be like, I still believe it. Perhaps that is why some people don't believe in God. Because they are the type of people who like to be surrounded by the things they can understand and are repulsed or even frightened of the things they cannot understand. Why is it so hard to believe that an ALL POWERFUL BEING doesn't need a creator?
@uselessknowledge1 I didn't hear him say he won, he said "let's agree to have respectful disagreements and not treat religious pleople like dunces." he also said that NEITHER opinions can be proven wrong. And it would make sense that the thing that created "nature" would be outside of it otherwise he would have created himself and that makes no sense what-so-ever.
"humans can only understand those things which can be observed within time and space" - you obviously haven't met a mathematician.
"or simply came into existence for no reason" - Or came into existence as a result of simple physical laws?
Your argument that God need not have a cause applies to anything metaphysical, but is also simply false as it has nothing to do with space, time or physics, but cause and effect is a simple logical rule.
You turned voting off but you left comments on at least. Keep holding onto your weird understanding of this issue. Never change, you're too pure and beautiful for this world. You will cling to your emotional falsehoods until the day you die because you're a person who is weak of character. A monkey who will believe whatever he wants to regardless of if it is true or false.
Alright God sounds pretty reasonable UNTIL you realize that god needed a creator, and now you have a crazier paradox than how did the big bang come into existence. Religion is the cause of poverty and war, sure not in America but in 3rd world countries with shiny temples and houses made out of shit and mud. We can disprove religion based on falsehood in religious text, and the human psyche that wants an answer before the facts are in along with the longing for power.
"Everything in our universe is governed by natural laws: the most important one being that every cause has a causation. The deity or deities would not be governed by this law because they exist outside of nature, in other words, making them supernatural. To say that they require a causation violates the premise that they exist outside the laws of time and space as we understand it."
So, to simplify: a deity would NOT need a creator...
@07barker Alright then if god lives in heaven, then reasonably it's fair to say that heaven is outside the universe and not governed by natural laws; so this begs the question how can we possibly go from a state governed by natural laws to one without? And more importantly if that's the case, Is heaven all that great? And what about hell? Hell wouldn't suck so bad if the natural laws couldn't make us feel pain. And this universe outside the universe, why does it, and god not need a creator?
Like any good politician, Hitler presented himself in a way that would earn him support. Most Germans were Christian, so he pretended to be Christian. Sure, there's plenty of public quotes on Hitler being Christian, but his private quotes and actions showed the opposite.
"We do not want any other god than Germany itself. It is essential to have fanatical faith and hope and love in and for Germany." --Hitler
blah, blah, blah...theism is dead. Religion IS used as an excuse for all kinds of atrocities and vile acts that are inhuman. Your arguments are disjointed and juvenile, you make radical claims and summarize with magic. Absolute garbage.
@bj07bran7 The bible says it all... don't listen to atheists... they believe in science, which makes them uneducated, while we theists believe in magic bitches!!! There definitely was a 500 year old man who made a boat and fit every single animal on board; there definitely was a man who walked on water, duhh, its logic. Evolution... BULSHIT!!!!!! God put us on this planet 2,000 years ago, we rode on dinosaurs and lived up to the technology we have today. And I'm definitely not being sarcastic.
@DerG3rm um, no. They don't beileve in science. If they believe in Evolution then they believe in a pseudo-science. in order for it to be science it must follow the scientific method which evolution does not. And we believe that the world was created about 10,000 years ago not 2,000 years ago. and I don't think anybody road on dinosaurs... I never read that in the bible. And I believe that people back then far surpassed us today mostly because they had the patience and man power.
@DerG3rm Actually it's atheists that believe in voodoo magic. We believe in a creator that created all things. Aathiests think everything POOF POOF POOF for no reason whatsoever by NOONE. The sun magically poofed, along with the moon poof, then the evaporation process poof, the pollination process poof, the seed poof, and decided never to randomly create itself again because it magically figured out it would let the trees and all plantlife make their own seeds...no....it's atheism that teaches..
@bj07bran7 ever mentioned you wacko douche that Hitler didn't hate religion, he killed also homosexuals, artists,... He hated the Jews because of what he learned in his poverity and because the Jew who treated his mother failed in his attempt
Hitler was one of the baddest persons in the history, but if their was a god he would have stopped it
@bj07bran7 ..voodoo magic...ironic, You have no knowledge of the Bible, you just repeat all the same things all athiests that have never read the Bible...duh. as for evilution, we are warned about it in Romans 1 and 1 Timothy1:4, 1800 yrs. before darwin...duh. But you wouldn't know that because you're too intelligent to read, and you're too intelligent to come to the simple fact that nothing cannot create something, and the seed proves a creator. I wonder why the Bible is set up on agriculture?
hey i'm at 0:43 and you've already spouted lies. Hitler was a Catholic. You can lift many out of poverty regardless of your religion or lack thereof. God technically cannot be dis-proven but all Biblical records of him can. You have been hypocritical. you say that human's can only prove what they can see but later you state the fact that "deities exist outside of nature". Can you prove it? The Easter bunnies gonna eat you! I read about it in a book!
I like how you're afraid to use your actual voices, and you portray the theist as the rational, open-minded and intellectual character, and the atheist as snobby, unintelligent, and lacking a real argument. It doesn't make your argument look better, it just makes it look like you're spouting off your pseudo-intellectual bs. Also, you seem to be insecure of your own beliefs if you're attacking the atheist instead of their argument in the way you portray them.
@bj07bran7 I think the media is actually pro Christian especially in the U.S.
However while theism is debatable (no one knows the reality of our existence, its too much for us to comprehend) all the holy books are proven false by the evidence of the universe around us
@bj07bran7 If you don't care about the ratings why disable them? On Hitler;
he attributed his presence (including in his last public address) to "The Great Providence", his soldiers wore "God is with us" on their belts, he never renounced his Catholicism, he cited Martin Luther as an inspiration for the Holocaust and he reformed the church to include Nazi doctrine in the worship of God, whilst the Pope ordered paryers to be said for Hitler throughout his life. That's not an Atheist.
the normal observations of our world break down when in the scale of the very large or very small. Newtons laws of motion do not address speeds approaching the speed of light. People once saw that the earth was flat when it was truly round, and causation does not address what happens on the subatomic level. You really think that we haven't thought of the arguments you've used in this vid before?
@gtamythmaster43 HAHAHA - you are trolling up and down the page aren't you? What happened - boyfriend wouldn't give you head tonight so you are taking out your anguish on us? Good times!
How many more AIDS Victims in africa have there been from the pope saying that condoms are bad. You don't "prove" atheism because atheism is simply the rejection of theism as unsupported. You gave no evidence for a deity making it being more probable than the universe having existed as long as time. Simply stating that it's more probable doesn't make it so. If you observe virtual particles, you can see that not everything has a cause.
@sunset261 Africans don't believe in the bible you idiot. And who would tell them this?
A man. Not God. God has never spoken to man. Lord Inki and his brother Enlil and thier father Anu have. God has only talked to the Anunnaki, man has not.
Yes, atheism cannot by its very nature be disproven. Theism however can be, it is just that no one has. The problem I have with this video's arguement is that no where is the term "god" defined rendering it virually meaningless. This video is pretty much a rebranded Kalam cosmological arguement. The most obvious of it's flaws is that it requires the laws of cause and effect that we observe in our univers to apply to our universe. That hasn't been demonstrated and I'm not sure if it ever will be.
Let's test your approach. 1) Humans know nothing. 2) Deciding which of two options is more probable requires that you know something about both options. 3) Since humans know nothing, there is no way to determine what is more probable.
The 'what is most probable' argument does not hold up to scrutiny.
All you have shown is that you like the idea of 'god did it' more than you do any other explanation. While you are more than welcome to hold this position, it is not very convincing.
I agree that theists (or the liberal atheist) should not be regarded as dunces because of a conclusion they reach on the extremely complex subject of theism.
However, I have to point to a flaw in your reasoning. If you accept that we as humans know nothing, then what knowledge do we have to base any probabalistic conclusion on ? How do we tell which is more probable? Or worse, if we know nothing, then how do we know that probability must be the primary system of thought and belief?
I don't watch these text to speech videos. If the the text is provided in the "more info" area I do read it. It's much faster and less trouble that sitting through an irritating impersonal thing like this. I checked your blog looking for the text but couldn't find it. I did get a kick out of your rant about how women are treated like princesses and guys are forced to put their self esteem on the line and pay for everything to get a date. That couldn't be more true.
I'm agnostic and I'm not defending religion but Hitler also culled retarded or deformed people, gypsies, educated types that agitated for freedom as well as Jews.
Hello Brandon. I think you have a very interesting approach to doing video's and I was wondering, Does using the electronic voice and animated figures reduce either the quantity or ferocity of comments that are primarily focused on bashing?
Correct me if I misinterpreted here, but you implied that the universe's creation was due to a god or gods. There is a fallacy of definition here, that for you, god is whatever was responsible for creating the universe (whatever the cause may have been, possibly gnomes). For me, I define God as a ball of fire in the sky, my god is the sun. The sun is clearly very 'probable' but not empirically true as you pointed out. Subjectively by my definition of God, God exists. Owned atheists? Not really.
Two atheist mass murdering leaders. An entire human history of religious ones. lol.
Both theism and belief that gravity is caused by gnomes cannot be proven. They are equally credible, equally as worthy of basing conclusions off of and living your life by.
Uncaused and unpredictable events are ubiquitous in the quantum world. It's actually what it's all about.
By your own 'probability' argument, a god is far less likely than a dumb universe.
So just after representing atheists as bogusly-smart, liberal sheep who as good as worship Christopher Hitchens and Richard Dawkins and who break down at the slightest attack to their arguments, you then tell the atheists you just insulted to treat you with respect. What the hell?
I agree that people need to respect each other in religious debate (my main problem with Richard Dawkins is his tendency to disrespect his opponents), but this video showed no respect.
There is no god.
tito1894 1 week ago in playlist Favorite videos
God doesnt smell good. Mum saw god and told me god is dirty. I like god :)
KoreaForeigner 2 months ago
God came out my bum while i was watching this. now i believe in god :)
KoreaForeigner 2 months ago
god is my bum :)
KoreaForeigner 2 months ago
You had a very reasonable argument going and around 3:35 to 3:45 you just go full retard and start trolling. Good job.
Both sides of the debate are rational. I will remain agnostic until some shit is proven.
How is it "more probable" that X created Y and how does that make theism any more likely than atheism?
Screw it, I created you all inside my own head. What's that religion called?
Halibut86 3 months ago
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"Good, now you can get back to shoving your head up Christopher Hitchen's ass like the rest of the atheists " yep thats a nice respectful response. way to make ur self seem intelligent...
dudeandD 4 months ago
LOL
bobmuffins 4 months ago
You're done. That's it. You call Hitler and atheist. You're done.
You can't even kind of call Adolf an atheist. He was Roman Catholic. He preached God to Germany. His Nazis were Christians. Period.
When you try and spread lies like that, I will not listen to your argument. You're done.
FrankLightheart 4 months ago 10
@FrankLightheart Good, now you can get back to shoving your head up Christopher Hitchen's ass like the rest of the atheists
bj07bran7 4 months ago
@bj07bran7 No, no. This has nothing to do with Hitch. He doesn't even enter into this conversation.
When you include Adolf Hitler in a list of infamous atheists, that's called being dishonest. I don't care how you try to deflect that point, but that's the only one I was making.
FrankLightheart 4 months ago
@bj07bran7 please read a book other then fairy tales for once
you might learn something
490er 4 months ago
@490er Please take Dawkin's cock out of your throat and you may be able to think straight for once
bj07bran7 4 months ago
@bj07bran7 lol so classic
counter my example with pretty much the same stupid thing
lol just shows how much you can think for your self
490er 4 months ago
@bj07bran7
LMAO! This has got to be biggest slam I have ever seen on YT.
frogman360 4 months ago
@bj07bran7 1. do you know what hitler's troops had written on their badges? "Gott mit uns".
2. hitler considered jews to be INFERIOR RACE, because of genetics, not religion.
3. There is no atheist i know of who commited genocide because of his atheism.
4. There is plenty of theists recorded through the history who commited genocides specifically because of their theism.
I'm gonna watch your argument till the end. It still has potential to be enough silly to make it fun.
MidnightSt 1 month ago
@bj07bran7 okay, i'm disappointed, it's pathetic. on to some actual fun
MidnightSt 1 month ago
@FrankLightheart Hitler was techincally protestant, but even at that he recreated the God of the Bible in his own twisted way and replaced genuine pastors with his own nazi pastors. He hated christianity and the only reason he said he believed in it was to gain the sanction of Germany.
lilpeaceacrap 4 months ago
@lilpeaceacrap He made claims like he was doing Jesus's bidding by ridding the world of Jews. After so many assassination plots failed, he took it as a sign that God was on his side. Doesn't sound like the actions of someone who hates religion. Twisted or not, he believed it whole-heartedly and he got an entire nation of otherwise decent Christians to go along with him.
You know all this, and yet you call him an atheist in your video. That's called lying.
FrankLightheart 4 months ago
@lilpeaceacrap After posting that last comment, I noticed that you are not the person I was talking with earlier. My apologies for the misunderstanding.
FrankLightheart 4 months ago
@FrankLightheart That's ok, but as I said do you know for sure he believed in it? There are many of his quotes that explain my statement. If you want me to send links to them I would be more than happy to do so.
lilpeaceacrap 4 months ago
@lilpeaceacrap No one can know for certain what goes on inside someone's head. Is it possible that Hitler could've been a closet atheist and just SAID he was Christian to rally and rule his country? I suppose it's possible, but it's pretty preposterous to imagine and ingenuous to assume. We can get a pretty good idea from his actions and words that he was an anti-Jewish and anti-atheist Christian. Hitler's specific denomination is irrelevant to me.
FrankLightheart 4 months ago
@FrankLightheart The denomination is relevant because catholics and protestants may look the same from the outside, but once you understand both religions in full, you can clearly see the differences.
lilpeaceacrap 4 months ago
@lilpeaceacrap The differences are irrelevant to the point I was making initially.
Catholic, Protestant, Methodist, Muslim, or Mormon it doesn't matter. The author of this video is lying about Adolf Hitler being an atheist. He's trying to blame Hitler on atheism and that is totally false. If you can make a case for him being Protestant, good for you, but it doesn't alter my stance at all.
(although I don't believe the Catholic church ever excommunicated Adolf, now that I think of it)
FrankLightheart 4 months ago
@FrankLightheart The cathcolic church doesn't excommunicate people anymore. You excommuniate yourself. He did that. Plus even if you take Hitler out of the equation you still have Mau Sai Tung, Joseph Stalin, and World War I that killed more people than christianity ever did. That being said atheists have killed more people in 1 century than christianity EVER has.
lilpeaceacrap 4 months ago
@lilpeaceacrap That's certainly debatable. I mean, the church excommunicated Gerbils for marrying a Protestant. And Hitler considered himself Catholic, "I am now as before a Catholic and will always remain so."
As for the rest of it, I find it a little difficult to imagine someone killing in the name of non-God. And yet on the other hand, it's very easy to imagine someone, feeling justified in their conviction, killing in the name of their God.
FrankLightheart 4 months ago
Your logic is awful. Yes, God can be proven not to exist. How do you know god exist outside of the natural law? Where is that evidence? You assume is he. This is why your logic is just awful.
SuperMrAtheist 5 months ago
Yup, religion sucks. Hitler was a Christian.
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"Hence today I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord"
-Adolf Hitler
(Mein Kampf, Chapter 2, final paragraph.)
gregrutz 5 months ago
What? If you watch TV, you'll see whatever is on the channel that you choose to watch. Mainstream media hardly makes it seem like 'the majority of people are secular and atheists.' The majority of Americans claim to be Christians. This is a fact.
DO NOT LISTEN TO PEOPLE WHO MAKE THINGS UP, LIKE THIS USER. THEY ARE TRYING TO JUSTIFY THEIR CONFUSION RATHER THAN LOOK AT WHAT IT IS THEY ARE BELIEVING IN LIKE RATIONAL, OBJECTIVE ADULTS.
This guy may not realize it, but this is just propaganda.
Cannablisst 5 months ago
@Cannablisst It's not propaganda, there does indeed exist a anti-God, anti-religious meme in the media
bj07bran7 5 months ago
@bj07bran7 First, this is complete propaganda. What you believe is on TV is ONLY based on what YOU choose to watch, and how YOU choose to take it.
Nothing can 'validate' atheism. There is nothing to validate. Atheism is the lack of anything that needs to be validated.
Either way, if you were logical, you'd say 'it goes both ways.' And you'd also say the mainstream media leans Christian. If they didn't, those running for office wouldn't use it, due to our heavily Christian population.
Sheep.
Cannablisst 5 months ago
BTW, you should read Mein Kampf. There are some obvious references to Hitler's Roman Catholicism. He was not an atheist.
In fact, you should watch 'The End of America' (just youtube it, it's about an hour-fifteen). Our country is much more similar to ol' Adolf's than you'd suspect. A large portion of these similarities could be explained by the willingness of the masses in America to succumb to authority, in this case, Yahweh (I assume).
Somehow, I don't think you've read that. Surprise.
Cannablisst 5 months ago
@Cannablisst Hitler was not a theist. He thought himself to be God and wanted to take over the world.
Hitler denounced Catholicism early on in his life. There are sporadic random quotes of him referencing a God but there are also quotes that point to him being an atheist.
You should research the latter.
bj07bran7 5 months ago
@bj07bran7 Even if that's what you believe he was, and neither of us obviously could ever KNOW what he truly believed, unless he told us.
Let's say Hitler was an atheist. Okay. Even though you admit he believes in a God (supposedly himself). He obviously couldn't have truly believed he was all-powerful. He knew he was not. He was a human.
But for the sake of argument, we'll call Hitler an atheist. Never once did he claim his genocide was done in the name of atheism, so you're still an idiot.
Cannablisst 5 months ago
Also, fucking read the Mein Kampf shit.
Whatever you want to classify Hitler as is really neither here nor there, it's that you are blaming atheism for his atrocious deeds. This is where you become the retard. Do you understand?
Being an atheist does not mean everything you do is based in your atheism. That's the whole point of 'being' and atheist. You choose what you do in your life, not some group you're associated with and their ancient mythology.
Hitler did not kill for atheism, moron.
Cannablisst 5 months ago
@Cannablisst Judaism is not a race. It is a religion. Jews are not a race of people. Jews are jews because of their religion.
Otherwise they'd be called Israelites.
bj07bran7 5 months ago
@bj07bran7 Okay. That changes...absolutely fucking nothing. Thanks, though.
The fact that Jews are Jews doesn't change anything.
Hitler still didn't kill anyone in the name of atheism.
Even if he were an atheist (for the sake of argument, because he was not), YOU are the one making the connection between his atheism and his killing. He didn't make that connection.
So if an atheist does something bad, it's for atheism? FUCKING RETARDED. READ A BOOK. Not a holy one, those don't exist.
Cannablisst 5 months ago
@bj07bran7 Jews are not a religious group as such, they can best be described as a people. A person is Jewish if their mother is, regardless of their beliefs. (Look up Jewish Atheism on Wikipedia)
Regardless, How can you say these actions were done in the name of the atheism? This is impossible, as atheism is a non-position. The only reason the label exists is because it was once the norm to believe in a god.
bassie117 5 months ago
@bassie117 They are called Jews because of judaism, regardless of whether or not individual ones believe in it
bj07bran7 5 months ago
@bj07bran7 And yet you said "Jews are Jews because of their religion." That phrase would imply a non-religious Jew is not a Jew. Regardless of the semantics, you still haven't responded the issue here. Saying Hitler and/or Mao did anything "in the name of" atheism is absurd. They did what they did because of their own sick ideologies, and they may or may not have been atheists. The difference is that people CAN (and have) actually commit atrocities in the name of a specific god.
bassie117 5 months ago
@Cannablisst You're right. Stalin was an Atheist but after the war he rebuilt over 70,000 churches. Everything he did was for the people not Atheism. Its the same for anyone else.
SuperMrAtheist 5 months ago
@bj07bran7 Hitler specifically mentions in a speeches that he was against atheism and that religious faith was necessary for a moral society. He goes on to say that his crusade against the Jews was mandated by God.
These aren't things a suspected atheist would say.
Doubtless, he was convinced of his own importance, but it doesn't mean Adolf fancied himself God incarnate.
FrankLightheart 4 months ago
Also, it's not an answer to say that you don't have to answer where God came from because he/she is outside the natural universe. God would still be bound by certain constraints, such as the law of identity (can God exist and not exist at the same time? Of course not. Can God create a bigger stone that he can lift?... contradictions still apply). If God is bound by these constraints then God would need the same explanation that the universe would need for it's existence.
WhereCanIGoFromHere 5 months ago
Hitler was a lifelong catholic, the Nazi Platform specifically stated that it was based on Christianity. Christopher Hitchens slapped down the Mao/Stalin/Pol Pot were atheists and thus atheism is "responsible" argument in under 3 minutes. Search on Youtube for "hitchens stalin" and watch the first link.
WhereCanIGoFromHere 5 months ago
HAHAHA!!! Hitler did not kill the Jews because of their Religion, he did it because he believed they were to blame for many terrible things in the past, and Germany's past especially. Hitler was a Christian who believed the Aryan race (blonde hair, blue eyes) were created by God to control the world, and he would deliver the World into their hands to earn his way into Heaven. Read Mein Kampf you idiot!
Eleglas 5 months ago
This is just plain insulting to the intelligence of people everywhere. It should also be considered insulting to theists, because any good Christian/Muslim/Jew/Hindu/Misc knows that they cannot presume to know the will of God/Allah/Yahweh/Krishna/Robocop and that to preach/witness to the masses about how a deity lives outside the laws of nature is to assume knowledge that you have been denied by your god for a reason. This would be called blasphemy in some circles. Infidel.
ratpoisoner666 6 months ago
I wasn't expecting a fantastically thought out argument here, but I'm really stuck on one point. "It is more probable that a deity or deities created the universe." There is no explanation as to why this is more logical. That's an amazing leap of logic to overlook if you want to provoke thought amongst people who consider themselves rationalists rather than devout. I'm happy for religion to exist, but the argument against atheism has to be more compelling than "because I said so."
ratpoisoner666 6 months ago
Hitler was Christian.
AusCharlie 6 months ago
Yes how many people have been saved by God? How many have been lifted from poverty? How fucking many huh? Hitler did kill people...the JEWS! So their religion did kill them. Saying " There are no atheist in fox holes" Saying "all dead men in foxholes are christians". religion is sooooo rudimentary. All religion dies with education. Teach kids math and physics and watch it unwind!!!!!
jerkappy 7 months ago
@jerkappy Dude you need to get laid.
LulzBat 7 months ago
@jerkappy I like to say it like this: God has no place in the 21st Century!
Eleglas 5 months ago
You got to be kidding me... So there is a guy somewhere in space or in the sky with a white beard that created everything? There is a whole bunch of guys that lived to around 700 years? That makes so much sense.
Slashloo 7 months ago
It is beyond argument nowadays. Religion cannot make an argument without being overpowered entirely by reason and logic! It is offensive to believe in god in present day! Have we not come to far to believe in stories created merely thousands of years ago to explain things they didn't understand. We have answered and are pushing for more answers on everything the bible covers with an umbrella answer. All religion is so disgustingly flawed and corrupt and has no place in modern day society
robiDur 8 months ago
I can guarantee that it is zero percent probable that if there were a deity, it wishes you to know of its existence, much less worship it. The world operates as a natural and uncaring set of events. Frankly, though, I think it would help you to understand the possibility of a multiverse, combined with the anthropic principle, along with the basic concept of emergence. Non-thinking, natural simple laws result in order on many scales.
Enginmaster 8 months ago
How many more people have been saved by science? How many technologies and jobs for the world come from the fact we have the technological fruits thereof? Also, you don't seem to understand the definition of theism or atheism. They are not "proof of god" or "proof of no god". It's what you do or do not believe. Everyone either does or does not believe. Also, you replace a simple mystery: "what caused energy of big bang?" with an impossible mystery:"what created an omnipotent intelligence?"
Enginmaster 8 months ago
Fair arguement though I wish this 'probable' deity would reveal itself in a thoroughly more convincing holy book. The Bible and Quran were obviously written by bronze age men.
Zenhumanist 9 months ago
The problem with your argument is that you consider a priori that the deity(s) exist outside of nature without any evidence or any logic explanation for it. How can you proof, or at least make a logic argument, that the possible deity(s) is (are) outside and not inside of nature? The whole idea of a God is “supported” by his own suppositions. That’s why the atheists don’t take the God idea seriously.
barj306199 9 months ago
Hittler was not an atheist. He was catholic. Here is one of Hittler's public statements: "The folkish-minded man, in particular, has the sacred duty, each in his own denomination, of making people stop just talking superficially of God's will, and actually fulfill God's will, and not let God's word be desecrated. For God's will gave men their form, their essence and their abilities. Anyone who destroys His work is declaring war on the Lord's creation, the divine will."
barj306199 9 months ago
It is true that every cause has a causation, but that doesn't mean the causation has to be teleological. In fact, most causes don't have a teleological causation, but a physical causation. For example, the existence of our brain, one of the most complex structures known so far, is a product of evolution from a common ancestor we share with other forms of life. If you study the nature of evolution, you can understand it's a non-teleological process, but a mere mechanical process.
barj306199 9 months ago
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By the way, I’m not an atheist, I’m agnostic, and we agnostics simply accept the fact that there are many possible explanations for existence itself, and that the real answer can be even more incredible than we, or any religion, could possibly imagine.
barj306199 9 months ago
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barj306199 9 months ago
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What if the universe was not created and has always been there (as proposed by the Big Bounce theory)? What if my cat created the universe last Thursday? I can keep inventing explanations, which may sound absurd, but… Show me that my cat did not create the universe! You can’t because, like the existence of a God, all the above explanations are irrefutable...(continue)
barj306199 9 months ago
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What if the universe was created by Allah? Or if it was created by Buda? And if it was created by an alien who came from another dimension? What if it was created by a giant turtle? Maybe it was a product of the imagination of another person in another universe? What if it was created by a person who created a time machine to go back in time to create the universe to give rise to the individual who created the time machine to go back in time to create the universe?...(continue)
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You may think that atheists are close minded, yet theists can only accept one possible explanation for existence: An omnipotent God that created the universe. But the existence of God cannot be proven or refuted. That means it is an irrefutable hypothesis. The problem of irrefutable hypothesis is that there is a virtually infinite amount of irrefutable explanations that can also explain the existence of the universe...(continue)
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barj306199 9 months ago
@uselessknowledge1 Well I'm sure Darwin never fought to discredit creation HIMSELF, though there have been plenty of people on BOTH sides trying to discredit the other. Some people more than others, but they're there. And I don't think that that's the scientific thing for scientists to do. They shouldn't be trying to prove evolution, they should just be looking for facts. Let facts be facts, and hypotheses be hypotheses. If you don't have enough support for it don't push for it to be truth.
MikeOblay 10 months ago
@uselessknowledge1 Yes, I have heard of those, but there are also the people who had an exorsism done to them and they even said themselves that they were healed. What makes these people any less believable than the people who say "the birds are changing"? Is it because they are determined to prove their ideas and disprove the other sides beliefs?
MikeOblay 10 months ago
@uselessknowledge1 Which examples? You mean the deformed fruit flies and the different birds staying different birds? No evidence for a supernatural presents? what about miraculous healings and exorcisms?
MikeOblay 10 months ago
@uselessknowledge1 God straight out commands us NOT to kill. It's one of the ten commandments. You know the one. "Thou shalt not kill." I don't recall the bible having God telling people to go out and murder. It has records of what people have done in the past, records of wars that were fought, battles that were fought and won, or lost. Just because the bible tells about a man who murdered in cold blood doesn't mean that the bible is telling you to murder in cold blood.
MikeOblay 10 months ago
@uselessknowledge1 Well then those people are mistaken, this life matters very much. It is the time when we decide which afterlife we go to. And faith in evolution also convinces evil people into thinking that this life doesn't matter. That there is no meaning to it.
MikeOblay 10 months ago
@uselessknowledge1 If faith is such a bad thing why does everyone have it, and why does faith in God give hope and an inner peace to people all over the world? Faith is just a natural part of living. You have faith. You believe that randomness started this world, and if there was proof that there was a God, would you honestly choose to switch your viewpoint? Be honest here, please.
MikeOblay 10 months ago
@uselessknowledge1 Which god are they praying to? And it is true that God is good, but he is also holy and just. He gives people free will to do with as they please. And he allows millions to become prosperous so they can help those people living in squaller. You see people opening up rehabs and homeless shelters, and many people in the fight to stop the selling of people. And it doesn't matter if they are rich or poor, ALL people will have to account for their actions.
MikeOblay 10 months ago
@uselessknowledge1 Evolution has yet to be proven also. If the requirement to become a fact is that it can't be disproven yet, then the Christian genesis story is true also.
MikeOblay 10 months ago
@uselessknowledge1 Yes, I know through my FAITH what my afterlife will be like. I never said anything was wrong with not knowing, because nobody CAN know, so I believe it's true through my faith.
MikeOblay 10 months ago
@uselessknowledge1 Page 2: You're acting as if he's encouraging the slavery they practiced in the south, with the beating for no reason, but that's not it at all. Exodus 21:7: They were referring to a custom practiced at that time, setting rules they must follow so as not to go completely out of control. Judges 21:10-24: They were taking wives, not rape victims, and it even says in verse 25 that there was no king so they only did what was right in their eyes, not in the eyes of the Lord. c.o.p.3
MikeOblay 10 months ago
@uselessknowledge1 Leviticus 26:7-9: That's not talking about genocide, it's talking about defending yourself from people coming against you, but they will be chased away and defeated. Exodus 34:11-14: That was talking about chasing them away, not killing them. The only thing they did was smash the idols and altars. Colossians 3:22: He wasn't encouraging it, he was just acnoledging that it happens, and after that he tells the masters to be fair and just with their slaves. continue on page 2.
MikeOblay 10 months ago
@uselessknowledge1 And anyways, all this evolution talk is a moot point if you can't prove how the first cell came to being, or how it became a multi-cellular being, and how all those cells became totally different cells to suit different bodily function. You have just as much proof for your creation story than I do for mine. that is to say, none. We are both people of faith, just faith in different things.
MikeOblay 10 months ago
@uselessknowledge1 Have I judged you? I haven't judged you. I've noticed you judging me, but I don't think I've judged you. And I am of the opinion that believing I'm just another primate is a bit more primitive. And we don't sacrifice anything at all. We ask for our God to do things and he answers yes or no, and that's the end of it. And we believe that Satan has the power over the Earth because that's where God let him be.
MikeOblay 10 months ago
@uselessknowledge1 page 2: Yes, the muslims have a prophet that they follow the teaching of, and the Jews don't believe that Jesus was their Messiah. Jesus fills the prophesies for the Messiah, so I believe that he is the Messiah who came here to redeem all of our sin if only we accept it. And many of the religions do not exist anymore except as mythology...... And what Exactly DO the Scientologists believe in?
MikeOblay 10 months ago
@uselessknowledge1 I'm not pulling any card. I'm just trying to imagine the eventual outcome. We WILL both die eventually. I'm just wondering what the general end result will be. I mean, this is our eternal afterlife here. You should be thinking about this. And you obviously have no idea what you're talking about. Where in the bible does it ENCOURAGE genocide, slavery, and rape. And the Muslims, Jews, Christians, and Catholics are all branches of the old Abrahamic religion. We have the same God.
MikeOblay 10 months ago
@uselessknowledge1 Well there are the dinosaurs, which were all wiped out by a world wide disaster. Not to mention all those fossils of animals that lived in the past that were gone before the great disaster. And all the organisms killed by mans hands and ways. The deforestation and introduction of new animals into an ecosystem and completely screwing it up. Man killed them. I know that doesn't sound as pretty as They weren't strong enough so they dropped dead, but at least i didn't make it up.
MikeOblay 10 months ago
@uselessknowledge1 So Darwin released different species to see if they would be different from eachother in the future?... Spoiler alert!! the different species will still be different species...
MikeOblay 10 months ago
@uselessknowledge1 Yes, it's more rational to believe that the polar bear in the snowy regions stayed alive. The Grizzlys would have died out because they couldn't reproduce fast enough and they're offspring died because they didn't have the right traits to survive. What's more likely, with the continents at least, is that they were designed and placed there. With islands and such it's likely the animals moved to the regions of the island that had food they had access to.
MikeOblay 10 months ago
wow you really shouldn't make any more videos professing your ignorance, it is embarrassing.
rflooker 10 months ago
"This shows that belief in God is not only rational, but also logical."
and you are in college?
rflooker 10 months ago
@uselessknowledge1 page 3:What if I'm right and you're wrong? then you go to Hell and suffer eternally while I'm in Heaven enjoying eternal bliss. What if I'm wrong and you're right? then I lived a good life where I felt like a good person and tried to do what was right, while you live a life with you having the understanding that you are nothing but an animal persuing your primitive lusts to your hearts content. Either way I have a great gig going, but you have a 50/50 chance of a great prize.
MikeOblay 10 months ago
@MikeOblay Yes, Pascals Wager is quite compelling
bj07bran7 10 months ago
@uselessknowledge1 page 2: And I believe in God because it is more logical than thinking that the 1 in a million mutations (most of which cause death) made all of this diversity that all fits together pretty well. Not to mention it makes sense to go with the side that says your soul goes to a place of eternal pain and suffering when you die if you don't believe in it, than the one that says there is no afterlife and we cease to exist when we die. Continue on page 3.
MikeOblay 10 months ago
@uselessknowledge1 The experiments that made those flies deformed? Or the different animals that went to the island nobody knows when? They did not evolve to better suit they're environment, they moved to the environments that suited their characteristics. Who knows how many times they may have moved due to the changes environments go through. And when you see transitional fossils what you see is dots said to resemble something because someone said so and connected the dots. Continue on page 2
MikeOblay 10 months ago
Arguing with people with such strong faith of their religion is rather pointless as their basic knowledge and understanding of everything is so influenced by their early teaching, that if they were to change their perpectiv they would have to change their entire perseption of reality. let them have their faith.
Seagullkiller2 11 months ago
Though there is nothing to say we can't give thanks to this supposed being for their influence.
TheWanderinSoul 11 months ago
You are cherry picking your issues, the ones you raise and the ones you address. It is actually MORE probable that THIS Universe was created by two protons colliding at near the speed of light or faster. Read Leonard Susskind's book "The Cosmic Landscape: String theory and the illusion of intelligent design". Your ignorance about probabilities and science is quite obvious. Yes, it's POSSIBLE that THIS Universe was created by a being rather than by chance, but NOT more PROBABLE.
TheWanderinSoul 11 months ago
you tell us "WE KNOW NOTHING for certain", yet you're proving that god exists because WE KNOW NOTHING about what in nature caused the universe? you're contradicting yourself bro. who's to say that the cause of the universe is out of the reach of the human mind but not supernatural at all?
uiluj13 11 months ago
If the universe must have a cause why is it that God does not necessitate a cause himself ?
Because he is eternal ? If God can be causeless why can't the universe be causeless ?
painkillerzman 11 months ago
@uselessknowledge1 page 2:And evolution is NOT a scientific theory. If anything it is a scientific hypothesis. A theory must go through rigorous testing before even being considered to be a theory. Evolution has not gone through physical, observable, nor repeatable testing. Neither evolution nor creation can be considered a theory. both are religions that are believed and followed with faith. Neither can be either disproven or proven. It just depends on which one is the logical choice to believe
MikeOblay 11 months ago
@uselessknowledge1 If they weren't in his Aryan race then whatever minority they were in mattered very little to him. The fact that they are persecuted today by fundamentalist christians is a coincidence. If you believe that what you believe is the only truth then of course you will tell everyone else was wrong. and considering both groups were/are alone against the rest of the world they will no doubt be against the same groups that the "rest of the world" is made of. continue to page 2:
MikeOblay 11 months ago
@uselessknowledge1 Where do you get your information from. Hitler was not a Christian. He believed in the religion of evolution. That's how he justified all those countless murders. He believed that his Aryan race was evolutionally superior to everybody else. And while he knew he couldn't just kill everybody everywhere he just concentrated on where he could kill them: the empire he controlled. And people do have knowledge about the universe and the things in it. That is why we assert a creator.
MikeOblay 11 months ago
@uselessknowledge1 Why does God need to have a beginning? I believe he has no beginning and no end. Though that is impossible for me to even imagine what that would be like, I still believe it. Perhaps that is why some people don't believe in God. Because they are the type of people who like to be surrounded by the things they can understand and are repulsed or even frightened of the things they cannot understand. Why is it so hard to believe that an ALL POWERFUL BEING doesn't need a creator?
MikeOblay 11 months ago
@uselessknowledge1 I didn't hear him say he won, he said "let's agree to have respectful disagreements and not treat religious pleople like dunces." he also said that NEITHER opinions can be proven wrong. And it would make sense that the thing that created "nature" would be outside of it otherwise he would have created himself and that makes no sense what-so-ever.
MikeOblay 11 months ago
"humans can only understand those things which can be observed within time and space" - you obviously haven't met a mathematician.
"or simply came into existence for no reason" - Or came into existence as a result of simple physical laws?
Your argument that God need not have a cause applies to anything metaphysical, but is also simply false as it has nothing to do with space, time or physics, but cause and effect is a simple logical rule.
Artwich 11 months ago
You turned voting off but you left comments on at least. Keep holding onto your weird understanding of this issue. Never change, you're too pure and beautiful for this world. You will cling to your emotional falsehoods until the day you die because you're a person who is weak of character. A monkey who will believe whatever he wants to regardless of if it is true or false.
Nolgthorn 1 year ago
Alright God sounds pretty reasonable UNTIL you realize that god needed a creator, and now you have a crazier paradox than how did the big bang come into existence. Religion is the cause of poverty and war, sure not in America but in 3rd world countries with shiny temples and houses made out of shit and mud. We can disprove religion based on falsehood in religious text, and the human psyche that wants an answer before the facts are in along with the longing for power.
NoGodNoProblem 1 year ago
@NoGodNoProblem
"Everything in our universe is governed by natural laws: the most important one being that every cause has a causation. The deity or deities would not be governed by this law because they exist outside of nature, in other words, making them supernatural. To say that they require a causation violates the premise that they exist outside the laws of time and space as we understand it."
So, to simplify: a deity would NOT need a creator...
07barker 11 months ago
@07barker Alright then if god lives in heaven, then reasonably it's fair to say that heaven is outside the universe and not governed by natural laws; so this begs the question how can we possibly go from a state governed by natural laws to one without? And more importantly if that's the case, Is heaven all that great? And what about hell? Hell wouldn't suck so bad if the natural laws couldn't make us feel pain. And this universe outside the universe, why does it, and god not need a creator?
NoGodNoProblem 11 months ago
Oooh I never knew hitler killed the jews because of their believes, thank you for your information.
Sorry sarcasm off, learn a bit of history and then you can make a video
hanspeterpitsch 1 year ago
Technology drives you to the moon,Religion drives you into buildings.
And if there was no Religion, hitler would not attack jews
vatervarior 1 year ago
We can't disprove Santa Claus, either. Guess that means he's real.
And yes, Hitler wasn't really a Christian. But most of his followers were.
SteinUndStahl666 1 year ago
@SteinUndStahl666 Hitler was there are quotes from his own works and him book showing he was christian
kokofan50 1 year ago
@kokofan50
Like any good politician, Hitler presented himself in a way that would earn him support. Most Germans were Christian, so he pretended to be Christian. Sure, there's plenty of public quotes on Hitler being Christian, but his private quotes and actions showed the opposite.
"We do not want any other god than Germany itself. It is essential to have fanatical faith and hope and love in and for Germany." --Hitler
SteinUndStahl666 1 year ago
blah, blah, blah...theism is dead. Religion IS used as an excuse for all kinds of atrocities and vile acts that are inhuman. Your arguments are disjointed and juvenile, you make radical claims and summarize with magic. Absolute garbage.
Pitfytr 1 year ago 8
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@Pitfytr despite your anger and pathetic attempts to insult me, you've actually refuted none of my arguments.
My points still stand and you lack the intelligence to form a counter-argument.
bj07bran7 1 year ago
@bj07bran7 The bible says it all... don't listen to atheists... they believe in science, which makes them uneducated, while we theists believe in magic bitches!!! There definitely was a 500 year old man who made a boat and fit every single animal on board; there definitely was a man who walked on water, duhh, its logic. Evolution... BULSHIT!!!!!! God put us on this planet 2,000 years ago, we rode on dinosaurs and lived up to the technology we have today. And I'm definitely not being sarcastic.
DerG3rm 1 year ago 12
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@DerG3rm your pathetic attempt at sarcasm is laughable. Go whine in the streets
bj07bran7 1 year ago
@bj07bran7 You're the one with the crappy, amateur video man... not me. How about you do me a favor and go Pray in the streets ok buddy :)
DerG3rm 1 year ago
@DerG3rm um, no. They don't beileve in science. If they believe in Evolution then they believe in a pseudo-science. in order for it to be science it must follow the scientific method which evolution does not. And we believe that the world was created about 10,000 years ago not 2,000 years ago. and I don't think anybody road on dinosaurs... I never read that in the bible. And I believe that people back then far surpassed us today mostly because they had the patience and man power.
MikeOblay 11 months ago
@DerG3rm Actually it's atheists that believe in voodoo magic. We believe in a creator that created all things. Aathiests think everything POOF POOF POOF for no reason whatsoever by NOONE. The sun magically poofed, along with the moon poof, then the evaporation process poof, the pollination process poof, the seed poof, and decided never to randomly create itself again because it magically figured out it would let the trees and all plantlife make their own seeds...no....it's atheism that teaches..
shadapple 9 months ago
@DerG3rm really dude. u r just soooooo ignorant
Iviey13 8 months ago
@bj07bran7 ever mentioned you wacko douche that Hitler didn't hate religion, he killed also homosexuals, artists,... He hated the Jews because of what he learned in his poverity and because the Jew who treated his mother failed in his attempt
Hitler was one of the baddest persons in the history, but if their was a god he would have stopped it
Christian God = Jewish God
SuperDelta456 1 year ago
@bj07bran7 ..voodoo magic...ironic, You have no knowledge of the Bible, you just repeat all the same things all athiests that have never read the Bible...duh. as for evilution, we are warned about it in Romans 1 and 1 Timothy1:4, 1800 yrs. before darwin...duh. But you wouldn't know that because you're too intelligent to read, and you're too intelligent to come to the simple fact that nothing cannot create something, and the seed proves a creator. I wonder why the Bible is set up on agriculture?
shadapple 9 months ago
God created the world because he doesn't need a cause because he doesn't exist. Perfect.
YouFoolWarrenIsDead 1 year ago
I like god. He is real. think im crazy fuck you :3
iloveavrilavigne13 1 year ago
hey i'm at 0:43 and you've already spouted lies. Hitler was a Catholic. You can lift many out of poverty regardless of your religion or lack thereof. God technically cannot be dis-proven but all Biblical records of him can. You have been hypocritical. you say that human's can only prove what they can see but later you state the fact that "deities exist outside of nature". Can you prove it? The Easter bunnies gonna eat you! I read about it in a book!
P.S. What's with the Microsoft Sam voice?
veer000 1 year ago
@veer000 Hitler rejected Catholicism early on. Check that fact for yourself
And I did not say that there is definitive proof of deities existing outside of nature...the argument is that this scenario is more PROBABLE
PS- the voice is simply because the limited choices I had when using the video editing software...there's no conspiracy behind it
bj07bran7 1 year ago
@bj07bran7
I believe today that my conduct is in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator.
- Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf, Vol. 1 Chapter 2
I would post some better quotes but I can't fit them an can't be bothered to spread them into two posts.
veer000 1 year ago
I like how you're afraid to use your actual voices, and you portray the theist as the rational, open-minded and intellectual character, and the atheist as snobby, unintelligent, and lacking a real argument. It doesn't make your argument look better, it just makes it look like you're spouting off your pseudo-intellectual bs. Also, you seem to be insecure of your own beliefs if you're attacking the atheist instead of their argument in the way you portray them.
jquiets 1 year ago
"Hitler murdered due to his hatred of religion."
Hitler murdered due to his religion, not out of hatred for religion.
jquiets 1 year ago
causation
–noun
1. the action of causing or producing.
2. the relation of cause to effect; causality.
3. anything that produces an effect; cause.
`` Every cause has causation`` ``To say the universe does not have a cause goes against this logic``
OH IT ALL MAKES SENSE NOW!
After watching this i found what i think is a sign from god.... i had to read it out loud but it looked like this
I am Sofa King we tod did
KELBYL 1 year ago
You my friend, need to get a clue.
griffin3220789 1 year ago
Ratings have been disabled.............hmmmm!
pikeasaurusrex 1 year ago
@pikeasaurusrex You can make any comment you want. Who cares about ratings? I'd rather have civilized discussion
bj07bran7 1 year ago
@bj07bran7 I think the media is actually pro Christian especially in the U.S.
However while theism is debatable (no one knows the reality of our existence, its too much for us to comprehend) all the holy books are proven false by the evidence of the universe around us
MegaJay79 1 year ago
@bj07bran7 If you don't care about the ratings why disable them? On Hitler;
he attributed his presence (including in his last public address) to "The Great Providence", his soldiers wore "God is with us" on their belts, he never renounced his Catholicism, he cited Martin Luther as an inspiration for the Holocaust and he reformed the church to include Nazi doctrine in the worship of God, whilst the Pope ordered paryers to be said for Hitler throughout his life. That's not an Atheist.
jamesrands 1 year ago
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@seeyouinhell1000
Hitler was an athiest you dumb piece of shit.
gtamythmaster43 1 year ago
Are these your wonderful 'probability argument'?
1. Neither theism or atheism can be proven.
2. It is possible that the universe either always existed or simply came into existence for no reason.
3. It is more probable that a deity or deities created the universe.
4. Therefore, theism is the most plausible, logical, rational and reasonable explanation for our existence.
Let me know, because if it is, this fails on so many levels, it's laughable. Basic logic destroys this.
pandstar 1 year ago
the normal observations of our world break down when in the scale of the very large or very small. Newtons laws of motion do not address speeds approaching the speed of light. People once saw that the earth was flat when it was truly round, and causation does not address what happens on the subatomic level. You really think that we haven't thought of the arguments you've used in this vid before?
sunset261 1 year ago
@sunset261
Athiests don't think. EVER. It's funny that athiests have only existed for about a hundred years. Go f*ck yourself.
gtamythmaster43 1 year ago
@gtamythmaster43 HAHAHA - you are trolling up and down the page aren't you? What happened - boyfriend wouldn't give you head tonight so you are taking out your anguish on us? Good times!
1n354a 1 year ago
@1n354a
You mad little girl? Gonna post another 50 comments? BAAWWWW.
gtamythmaster43 1 year ago
@gtamythmaster43 Mad? No I am terribly amused. I love watching trolls in action!
You should probably wash some of that sand out of your vagina though.
1n354a 1 year ago
How many more AIDS Victims in africa have there been from the pope saying that condoms are bad. You don't "prove" atheism because atheism is simply the rejection of theism as unsupported. You gave no evidence for a deity making it being more probable than the universe having existed as long as time. Simply stating that it's more probable doesn't make it so. If you observe virtual particles, you can see that not everything has a cause.
sunset261 1 year ago
@sunset261 Africans don't believe in the bible you idiot. And who would tell them this?
A man. Not God. God has never spoken to man. Lord Inki and his brother Enlil and thier father Anu have. God has only talked to the Anunnaki, man has not.
gtamythmaster43 1 year ago
@gtamythmaster43 Africans don't believe in the bible? Wow.... just...wow. Either you're a troll or you're hopelessly stupid.
sunset261 1 year ago
Yes, atheism cannot by its very nature be disproven. Theism however can be, it is just that no one has. The problem I have with this video's arguement is that no where is the term "god" defined rendering it virually meaningless. This video is pretty much a rebranded Kalam cosmological arguement. The most obvious of it's flaws is that it requires the laws of cause and effect that we observe in our univers to apply to our universe. That hasn't been demonstrated and I'm not sure if it ever will be.
rokl0bsta 1 year ago
@rokl0bsta
Your intelligence is that of my cat. Shut up.
gtamythmaster43 1 year ago
@gtamythmaster43 You know for a youtube troll you're not very good.
rokl0bsta 1 year ago
Let's test your approach. 1) Humans know nothing. 2) Deciding which of two options is more probable requires that you know something about both options. 3) Since humans know nothing, there is no way to determine what is more probable.
The 'what is most probable' argument does not hold up to scrutiny.
All you have shown is that you like the idea of 'god did it' more than you do any other explanation. While you are more than welcome to hold this position, it is not very convincing.
1n354a 1 year ago
@1n354a
WOW, you sound as smart as my turtle!
:D
gtamythmaster43 1 year ago
@gtamythmaster43 Why thank you! You are lucky to have such a wise turtle! Treat it well and it will take you far.
1n354a 1 year ago
I agree that theists (or the liberal atheist) should not be regarded as dunces because of a conclusion they reach on the extremely complex subject of theism.
However, I have to point to a flaw in your reasoning. If you accept that we as humans know nothing, then what knowledge do we have to base any probabalistic conclusion on ? How do we tell which is more probable? Or worse, if we know nothing, then how do we know that probability must be the primary system of thought and belief?
Karanagi 1 year ago
@Karanagi
Anunnaki!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
gtamythmaster43 1 year ago
I don't watch these text to speech videos. If the the text is provided in the "more info" area I do read it. It's much faster and less trouble that sitting through an irritating impersonal thing like this. I checked your blog looking for the text but couldn't find it. I did get a kick out of your rant about how women are treated like princesses and guys are forced to put their self esteem on the line and pay for everything to get a date. That couldn't be more true.
vention4wh 1 year ago
Hitler did not murder because of religious hatred, it was ethnically motivated. Your facts are screwed up, just like all creationists.
Christmasgoat 1 year ago
@Christmasgoat
I'm agnostic and I'm not defending religion but Hitler also culled retarded or deformed people, gypsies, educated types that agitated for freedom as well as Jews.
vention4wh 1 year ago
Hello Brandon. I think you have a very interesting approach to doing video's and I was wondering, Does using the electronic voice and animated figures reduce either the quantity or ferocity of comments that are primarily focused on bashing?
cardman14 1 year ago
~Grabs the female atheist doll and throws her against a brick wall~
CasperTheMeanieGhost 1 year ago
Correct me if I misinterpreted here, but you implied that the universe's creation was due to a god or gods. There is a fallacy of definition here, that for you, god is whatever was responsible for creating the universe (whatever the cause may have been, possibly gnomes). For me, I define God as a ball of fire in the sky, my god is the sun. The sun is clearly very 'probable' but not empirically true as you pointed out. Subjectively by my definition of God, God exists. Owned atheists? Not really.
MrFridgeydaire 1 year ago
Two atheist mass murdering leaders. An entire human history of religious ones. lol.
Both theism and belief that gravity is caused by gnomes cannot be proven. They are equally credible, equally as worthy of basing conclusions off of and living your life by.
Uncaused and unpredictable events are ubiquitous in the quantum world. It's actually what it's all about.
By your own 'probability' argument, a god is far less likely than a dumb universe.
You are a dunce.
yarahahrwe 1 year ago
here's where you start going wrong....whatever follows is more BS:
"The question is not, "Did God create the universe or did the universe create itself?" The proper question is, "What is the more probable scenario?"
Ha! .. GOD WHO ??
Once you figure out why that question is wrong hopefully you would become a better thinker
tantrai 1 year ago
So just after representing atheists as bogusly-smart, liberal sheep who as good as worship Christopher Hitchens and Richard Dawkins and who break down at the slightest attack to their arguments, you then tell the atheists you just insulted to treat you with respect. What the hell?
I agree that people need to respect each other in religious debate (my main problem with Richard Dawkins is his tendency to disrespect his opponents), but this video showed no respect.
ginnyisdacoolest 1 year ago 2
There are several outright lies in this video
AllOtherNamesTaken2 1 year ago 21
@AllOtherNamesTaken2 several? lol I was having a hard time finding anything that wasn't an outright lie!
1n354a 1 year ago
@1n354a
Go die you deaf p.o.s. I so sick of athiests. Go search athiest on encyclopediadramatica. F*CK ATHIEISIM.
gtamythmaster43 1 year ago