While I have no interest in getting into a political debate here (as I feel that's utterly pointless), I do have to say that hearing Sandra Oh read this is absolutely incredible...yet, I do not personally believe that anarchism works, in and of itself.
patriotism is an extension of individuals having pride in what they believe in, just as an individual would have pride in what they believe in. the left doesn't like this because the left dislikes individuality and personal sovereignty.
@chrispollock I am all for individuals having pride in things that they themselves achieve but being proud of something that they have no direct link to creating, is illogical.
@23lFrench you can have pride in whatever group you belong to and admire the accomplishments of that group. the idea that you cannot have pride unless you have personally done great things is dumb.
@chrispollock How can somebody take pride in being in a certain race when they could so easily of been born into a different race. And as for admiring the accomplishments of the group you belong to. I would rather take pride in the earth and everyone one it. All races and all pieces of land. It seems that lots of people, especially in America, have been so brainwashed by the system to be so overtly Nationalistic so that it is easier for the government of the day to control them.
@chrispollock As long as people have that us vs them mentality, America can start more wars and cause much more controversy than they would of been able to if their wasn't such a "proud to be an American" thing going on.
@kingofcrunk1010 yes what other country has defeated its enemies and then subsidized their success and prosperity with its own tax money and let them remain politically independent.
@chrispollock MFW the US is responsible for Pinochet and thus all the people he killed, the overthrowing of democratically elected governments in places such as Nicaragua, the rape of the sovereignty and culture of the Hawaiian people, and of course napalming innocent civilians in tiny villages in Vietnam and Laos.
The USA did NOT enter WW I because of the Lusitania, which in any case, was carrying weapons to England, contrary to American Law and treaties at the time. The Lusitania was sunk by the Germans in early 1915. The USA declared war on Germany in late Spring of 1917. The USA entered WWI on the side of England and France in order to protect the billions owed US bankers, especially JP Morgan, by those countries... All of this was common knowledge to people like Godlman at the time...
@hint0122 Define treason? Is is treason to want peace? Is it treason to want a world in which nations solve problems through words instead of weapons? Is it treason a belief that all people are connected regardless of border, nation, color, or class?
treason is fucking your country and your fellow citizens over by aiding an enemy while they are fighting them. Whose peace would you want, since there are different forms of it. If you wanted to avoid the civil war, then slavery would still be going on. If you wanted to avoid world war 2, the Nazis would still be killed Jews. Its treason if you aid the enemy. Do you really think protesting and being a dick helps?
@hint0122 It's exactly this mindset that allows these inhumanities to continue; our foreign policy and our military industrial complex only ensure future wars. I'm not saying we should have allowed slavery to continue, let the nazis exterminate jews, or let any other powerful nationalistic nation commit countless atrocities while we turn a blind eye. Rather, we should educate ourselves to better understand one another and through diplomatic relations resolve our problems with words not weapons.
@hint0122 The peace activists were misguided, in fact your uncle was a hero because he served his country honorably for a cause he deemed noble. It still doesn't excuse the actions which were committed in a false pretense, but in his moral view military duty was justified. My grandpa was in ww2, my step dad in Somalia, I never look upon them with disgrace. Rather, I scoff at the governments which allow young men to fight and die for causes that will ultimately benefit the least among us.
Emma Goldman is one of the truly great leftist voices of the past century. She saw what was happening to the Russian Revolution at its inception and criticized it from its beginning.
Anarchism forever! Workers of the world unite! You have nothing to lose but your chains!
And, for your information, Emma Goldman (the subject of this video) was an anarchist. Anarchists are freedom's true expositors. As a true expositor of freeedom, the American government does what it always does when confronted with such a vital human being: They banished her.
Goldman wound up in Russia just a few years after the revolution and she found Lenin had imprisoned 1000s of Russian anarchists. So you do not have a leg to stand on with me.
I did answer your question. all periods of soviet communism were bad. Anarchists are morons. do you really think that just getting rid of any forms government will help anyone?
@hint0122 "Anarchists are morons. do you really think that just getting rid of any forms government will help anyone?"
The true morons, in America at least, are the conservative dolts occupying the Tea Party; plus anyone sitting at home who obtains all of their ord... er ... information from Fox News.
Two: As far as getting rid of governments, I can tell you who it WOULDN'T benefit: The capitalists and their political lap dogs, both of whom enrich themselves from the work of the many.
@bapyou Anarchists are against the government in the form of a State which exploits the lower classes. So by ending exploitation then Yes we do think getting rid of such govt would help everyone.
@zapatista77 I was replying to someone else's comment. I certainly have a basic understanding of anarchist thought. Emma Goldman is one of my heroes. She was a feminist decades before the word came into common usage.
@hint0122 Anarchism isnt really about destroying govt but decentralizing power and redirecting it to the people. It really depends on what the word govt means to you. If it means a apparatus where power is centralized in a bureaucracy (democratic or not) that justifies itself by violence and protects ruling class interests then yes we want to destroy that. If it means public services such as utilities, police, etc than no. Imagine it as participatory democracy.
@hint0122 No its not. At least not representative democracy as we have it. As Marx said on democracy "Every 4 yrs the oppressed are allowed to choose out of their oppressors who will oppress them for the next 4 yrs."
The State is an institution built upon violence on coercion to maintain class society. It is separate from society and has a separate will. A democratic state can only achieve plutocracy not democracy. Anarchism aims to cure the ills of society through liberty.
what violence? liberty has a limit. look at Somalia. they have no goverment, you can do whatever you want, but they are worse off. better yet, look at some places in this country where the cops wont go like LA.
@hint0122 Cant say that is a better question you just think you can win that way. I think the best example the Mondragon Cooperative Corporation which is based on the economic principles on anarcho mutualism. You also have Spain in 1936, the anarchists movements in Russia before the Bolsheviks consolidated power. Where ever an anarchist movement failed it wasnt due to failures of anarchism but the State crushing the movement.
@hint0122 "here is a better question. name any Anarchism movement that worked"
Why?
"anarchists can and have do just as much damage as any goverment. look at Somalia."
You confuse anarchy with lawlessness. In an anarchic society, there would still be laws and social institutions. What an anarchic society would lack, is a coercive governemnt, or "State". There are many, many different forms of anarchy. In contemporary terms, anarchy means "stateless". You need to do some research.
@hint0122 "if you cant name one that worked, then why is it a workable system? "
How do you know it isn't workable? Name me one government in the history of civilization that wasn't corrupt, that wasn't coercive, and didn't exploit the masses. Why do you want to keep "trying" at a failed system? Are you familiar with Einstein's definition of insanity?
Out of 535 members of Congress, name me three that have ANY principles. Ron Paul and Dennis Kucinich being 1 and 2.
@bapyou Denouncing violence and then resorting to it when it achieves your ends is hypocrisy of the highest order. Goldman was a fraud, led by a juvenile ideology that proclaimed a false idealism. Grow up and get a clue.
@razamataz45 Hey assclown, Goldman sometimes denounced violence and at other times didn't. Just like governments. There is nothing false about anarchism. Grow the fuck up yourself and get a clue.
@razamataz45 There is such a huge difference in being violent in defense of a state of things that exploits you. Then there is being violent to break the shackles on you and your brothers. But I dont think violence is necessary in our society but that doesnt mean it cant be a last resort. Its much better to be constructive than destructive.
@razamataz45 "Denouncing violence and then resorting to it when it achieves your ends is hypocrisy of the highest order."
Goldman never committed acts of violence. She was deported because she was organizing against World War 1 -- the first great bail out for American bankers.
"Goldman was a fraud, led by a juvenile ideology that proclaimed a false idealism."
Hardly. She was a person of uncommon courage, something you obviously lack.
Can you seriously not see a difference between not supporting mass slaughter, and supporting targeted violence against people who you see as opressors? I don't agree with Goldmans views on the subject myself but it doesn't take much to see that theres a wide expanse of difference between the two. Unless of course one is trying to use cheap rhetorcial shots to make a point instead of making criticisms of actual substance.
@bapyou You have no real leg to stand on yourself. You seem to act a world-wise, red revolutionary. However, you probably no more understand your own farce of an ideology than the Tea Party members understand theirs. Anarchy sets an area up for instability and power grabs by cynical and enterprising individuals. In short order, the system will return from whence it came, perhaps with much worse consequences (Hitler and Stalin being two great examples).
You really need to read some actual anarchist literature if you haven't already. I can't see how you could have if you honestly think the anarchy espoused by Emma Goldman and others like her is predicated on instability. Its predicated on order as well just a much more decentralized order.
Your citing of Hitler and Stalin are both wrong as well, and curious as neither came out of anarchy. For someone so apparently ignorant your very arrogant.
Sandra Oh does such an amazing job of reading this that it is hard to believe she is reading or acting. She is so natural you would think she was speaking her own words. Solidarity Forever!
why the fuck are people comparing anarchism to communism?? these left wing fucks need to go hijack something else... sell your fucking bullshit to someone else.
Communism is not the same as anarchism...
plus don't left wing loons want more war and bigger government??? You are worse than the bible freaks IMHO!
ironically, one of the simpler choices people in the world can choose to make is to get along and choose to not hate, kill or act on those impulses and the nations in the world are dependent on people's choice to be hateful, angry and want to kill... and the only hope for true peaceful anarchism to show what it really is would be to choose to get along... the corrupt people in each government would go away if faced with that "threat"... this isn't any deep belief that needs theories just peace
Im not a white supremacist nor a white skinned person, but the Zulu have killed thousands of their own tribes and millions of others. At least Europeans and Americans do it to promote democracy, access to trade, oil, money, etc... They have a good reason, therefore the deaths of millions are justified.
That is one of the most idiotic things I believe I have ever heard. First of all, America is not even a democracy; its a corpratocracy. Second, you obviously don't know what democracy is, because you group it with slavery (indicated by "access to trade, oil, money, etc...") Third, you resolve that the deaths of innocents of millions are justified by capitalism (slavery) and the elite; and you also believe that the death of an innocent is justifiable.
@Altruikus Absolutely correct. America was founded as a republic not democracy.
The founders did not believe in direct democracy and why should they? Most of them were enlightenment figures with no conception of the average person having a say.
People should keep in mind that voting rights originally belonged to property holding men and the citizens were considered "free white persons". Blacks and others need not apply.
@DeviX03 And Europeans have killed millions of their own in two world wars and countless European wars beforehand. These wars were not to establish Democracy to fight off fascism and overwrought monarchism.
More wihite people killed in those wars than in batles fought by Zulus against other tribes.
Therefore, as you believe-the deaths of millions of white people were justified.
@TheKenTerry stop being ignorant and unrealistic this is not a fairytale there are those who are rich, powerful, educated and those who are poor, weak, and uneducated. that is reality that's the world 6 people hold nearly 50% of the world's wealth.
You are looking at this differently than I am. You're looking at what it is right now, not individual potential. The only reason why one group is doing better than the other is because of circumstance, not because the other side is stupid. I'd like to see you try and make something of yourself living in a grass hut.
@TheKenTerry some races tend to have a better and higher "Individual Potential" than others, which is the point I am trying to make. by the way early Europeans, South and North Americans lived in grass hut or similar materials. The Africans are just backward people, which proves that the ideology of everyone is equal is incorrect.
No, that's where you're wrong. The Africans were fine until the Europeans decided they wanted thier land. Look at the middle east and south america, their knowledge of the solar system was rediculous until the Europeans decided to whipe away all of thier culture and scientific discoveries.
@TheKenTerry Before Europeans restored order in Africa it was a continent with hundreds of small tribes and kingdoms. Brutal ones like the Zulu kingdom under Shaka. South America? the Aztecs who at their most important sort of "holidays" would sacrifice around 70,000 people, each getting their hearts rip out of their bodies. Middle East? even today brutal violence fueled by religious fanaticism back then and today.
And yet under the name of God Europeans and Americans have killed more people combined than these "tribes". Have you heard of the slave trade as well? Don't believe everything your teachers taught you. White people are just as ignorant in history. I didn't see Zulu burning people because they were thought fo be witches.
That is correct. The winners write history, and let us not forget the bubonic plague. One third of Europe killed off. Writhing in its own demise. That was a result of the Church yes? The corrupt... those on top; the ones who plummeted Europe into illiteracy and servitude while simultaneously destroying the art and literature collectives of all time.
*sigh* i don't want to get into this here, but whatever:
too bad that isn't all that "anarcho"-capitalists are about. don't forget that wage slavery (subordinating yourself as a means of production to a boss who, in effect, you are renting yourself out to, much like indentured servitude) is encouraged and private property allows a "monopoly of force over a definite territory", aka a state. i too believe in free and voluntary trade, but i don't believe in a society that is set up to...
...encourage subordination. if you want a free and voluntary society, it should be completely free and voluntary, and people should be active in opposing attempts to undermine that principal, including attempts for people to horde supplies and create businesses in which there are hired workers. a structure in which factories and other workplaces are not owned and are voluntarily and collectively self-managed would hardly likely be conducive to wage labor.
2. if anything they are getting close to "anarcho"-capitalism, which, by definition, is a contradiction of terms (something self-proclaimed anarcho-capitalists don't seem to realize).
3. how about you take a look at the Paris commune, or the kibbutzen, or the Spanish Revolution of 1936-39 instead. each had the unfortunate fate of being crushed or changed in one way or another. Spain, being the only large scale example, was crushed by force during the Spanish Civil War.
yes, i know about FaSinPat and the 200+ other factories in Argentina. a similar situation is going on, though to a smaller degree, in Algeria, but i was specifically speaking of societies that were anarchistic in nature, not simply of work conditions that reflect anarchist principles. but i agree, FaSinPat and co are great examples of anarchy in action :) i would also claim that the democratic schools around the world work as good examples as well.
conclusion: anarchy can work, as history has proven. the problem is that the governments and big businesses of this world don't want us to realize it.
the fact is we have to defend ourselves but it would be better if we did not have to that takes the other side to teach their children not to go to war as well as ourselves.
There seems something awfully disingenuous about Hollywood "progressives" reading Emma Goldman on the error of patriotism. It's not confrontational enough to be true to Emma's spirit.
Well said. I would add that the literature is almost taken out of context for the sake of metaphorical satire. We get it...You don't like war / republicans.
"Patriotism, sir, is the last resort of scoundrels," said Dr. Samuel Johnson. Leo Tolstoy, the greatest anti-patriot of our time, defines patriotism as the principle that will justify the training of wholesale murderers; a trade that requires better equipment in the exercise of man-killing than the making of such necessities as shoes, clothing, and houses; a trade that guarantees better returns and greater glory than that of the honest workingman. ...
Fantastic speech. I love Emme and my respect for Sandra just shot right up as well.
The quote that I think sums up these ideals best is one by Charles de Montesquieu that goes:
"If I knew something that would serve my country but would harm mankind, I would never reveal it; for I am a citizen of humanity first and by necessity, and a citizen of France second, and only by accident"
It's called jingoism. Or Chauvinism. These words need to be brought back into the vocabulary. Today so called "patriotism" is Jingoism, a "My country right or wrong, Love it or leave it" mentality.
This comment has received too many negative votesshow
Considering Sandra Oh is of Korean descent, perhaps she should direct her anarchist persuasions toward North Korea and her maniacal henchwomen and the refugees fleeing to China due to persecution, extreme poverty, and starvation... Great oration nevertheless!
@necronomicjustice; because there is a world full of idiots out there, drinking fluoridated water, eating gmo foods and taking shots that contain mercury!
It is patriotism. In this reading it is "Patriotism is the last resort of the scoundrels." At other times it is quoted as "Patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel."
Bourgeois televison personality talking about anti-nationalism and free love in front of fancy-pants bohemian proffessor types to impress them.
kingofcrunk1010 2 months ago
One of the great things about this video is that Sandra Oh is Canadian
mb1412 2 months ago
HEY! It's the girl from Grey's anatomy!
violadude0987 4 months ago
While I have no interest in getting into a political debate here (as I feel that's utterly pointless), I do have to say that hearing Sandra Oh read this is absolutely incredible...yet, I do not personally believe that anarchism works, in and of itself.
MoviManATL 5 months ago
patriotism is an extension of individuals having pride in what they believe in, just as an individual would have pride in what they believe in. the left doesn't like this because the left dislikes individuality and personal sovereignty.
chrispollock 6 months ago
@chrispollock I am all for individuals having pride in things that they themselves achieve but being proud of something that they have no direct link to creating, is illogical.
23lFrench 5 months ago
@23lFrench you can have pride in whatever group you belong to and admire the accomplishments of that group. the idea that you cannot have pride unless you have personally done great things is dumb.
chrispollock 5 months ago
@chrispollock How can somebody take pride in being in a certain race when they could so easily of been born into a different race. And as for admiring the accomplishments of the group you belong to. I would rather take pride in the earth and everyone one it. All races and all pieces of land. It seems that lots of people, especially in America, have been so brainwashed by the system to be so overtly Nationalistic so that it is easier for the government of the day to control them.
23lFrench 5 months ago 2
@chrispollock As long as people have that us vs them mentality, America can start more wars and cause much more controversy than they would of been able to if their wasn't such a "proud to be an American" thing going on.
23lFrench 5 months ago
@23lFrench america is a bastion of freedom and civility compared to other nations. american values are possibly the best in all of history.
chrispollock 5 months ago
@chrispollock
oh please
kingofcrunk1010 2 months ago
@kingofcrunk1010 yes what other country has defeated its enemies and then subsidized their success and prosperity with its own tax money and let them remain politically independent.
chrispollock 2 months ago
@chrispollock MFW the US is responsible for Pinochet and thus all the people he killed, the overthrowing of democratically elected governments in places such as Nicaragua, the rape of the sovereignty and culture of the Hawaiian people, and of course napalming innocent civilians in tiny villages in Vietnam and Laos.
ErrolSaid 2 weeks ago
The USA did NOT enter WW I because of the Lusitania, which in any case, was carrying weapons to England, contrary to American Law and treaties at the time. The Lusitania was sunk by the Germans in early 1915. The USA declared war on Germany in late Spring of 1917. The USA entered WWI on the side of England and France in order to protect the billions owed US bankers, especially JP Morgan, by those countries... All of this was common knowledge to people like Godlman at the time...
jjcazares1 7 months ago
The USA did not intervene in WWI until 1917, this after the sinking of the Luxury Liner "Lusitania" by Germany.
cheval572 8 months ago
This has been flagged as spam show
About as DUMB as they get !!!
cheval572 8 months ago
How can Sandra Oh possibly be quoting from a text that was written in 1914 when the USA was still a minor power and not directly involved in WWI ???
Me thinks Sandra needs to go back to her native South Korea and thank the US Armed Forces who have kept her nation free from the Communist North !!!
cheval572 8 months ago
@cheval572 "qouting"? This is part of a documentary about the book named something something were i assume she was, ironicaly, casted the role.
gigi1bokus 8 months ago
that was great!!! *researching Goldman*
elohelreh 8 months ago
Emma Goldman is my hero and i'm not being cliche.
celticlord88 10 months ago 2
i've watched this five times now, and i can't understand why.
Frog869 1 year ago
the whole Patriotism is the last refuge of the scoundrel" is such BS. people who have that view are the type to do treason
hint0122 1 year ago
@hint0122 like our "founding fathers" who committed treason against Britain???
poemsBeer 1 year ago
no, like the people who pass along secrets. would you honestly compare robert hanssen to george washington?
hint0122 1 year ago
i am still waiting. would you honestly compare robert hanssen to george washington?
hint0122 1 year ago
@poemsBeer Or the treason committed against Native Americans once the British left?
Triplezero13999 11 months ago
@hint0122 "...is such BS. people who have that view are the type to do treason"
Google: ["No Treason", Lysander Spooner]
mikemat3307 1 year ago
@hint0122 Define treason? Is is treason to want peace? Is it treason to want a world in which nations solve problems through words instead of weapons? Is it treason a belief that all people are connected regardless of border, nation, color, or class?
Triplezero13999 11 months ago
treason is fucking your country and your fellow citizens over by aiding an enemy while they are fighting them. Whose peace would you want, since there are different forms of it. If you wanted to avoid the civil war, then slavery would still be going on. If you wanted to avoid world war 2, the Nazis would still be killed Jews. Its treason if you aid the enemy. Do you really think protesting and being a dick helps?
hint0122 11 months ago
@hint0122 It's exactly this mindset that allows these inhumanities to continue; our foreign policy and our military industrial complex only ensure future wars. I'm not saying we should have allowed slavery to continue, let the nazis exterminate jews, or let any other powerful nationalistic nation commit countless atrocities while we turn a blind eye. Rather, we should educate ourselves to better understand one another and through diplomatic relations resolve our problems with words not weapons.
Triplezero13999 11 months ago
My uncle served his tour in Vietnam, and came home to be spit on and called a baby killer by “peace activists.”
hint0122 11 months ago
@hint0122 The peace activists were misguided, in fact your uncle was a hero because he served his country honorably for a cause he deemed noble. It still doesn't excuse the actions which were committed in a false pretense, but in his moral view military duty was justified. My grandpa was in ww2, my step dad in Somalia, I never look upon them with disgrace. Rather, I scoff at the governments which allow young men to fight and die for causes that will ultimately benefit the least among us.
Triplezero13999 11 months ago
Emma you were the most intelligent human being... we need you.
WMUnited 1 year ago
Anarchism is reality. Statism is absurdity.
LordAgonis 1 year ago 21
Emma Goldman is one of the truly great leftist voices of the past century. She saw what was happening to the Russian Revolution at its inception and criticized it from its beginning.
Anarchism forever! Workers of the world unite! You have nothing to lose but your chains!
bapyou 1 year ago
russia got what they deserved. they traded one nad leader for a worse system.
hint0122 1 year ago
@hint0122 "russia got what they deserved. they traded one nad leader for a worse system."
What's a "nad" leader?
#2. If by "worse system" you are referring to Soviet communism, to which period of Soviet communism do you refer?
bapyou 1 year ago
the traded one bad leader in the tsar for the entire system of communism.
hint0122 1 year ago
@hint0122 You didn't answer my question.
And, for your information, Emma Goldman (the subject of this video) was an anarchist. Anarchists are freedom's true expositors. As a true expositor of freeedom, the American government does what it always does when confronted with such a vital human being: They banished her.
Goldman wound up in Russia just a few years after the revolution and she found Lenin had imprisoned 1000s of Russian anarchists. So you do not have a leg to stand on with me.
bapyou 1 year ago
I did answer your question. all periods of soviet communism were bad. Anarchists are morons. do you really think that just getting rid of any forms government will help anyone?
hint0122 1 year ago
@hint0122 "Anarchists are morons. do you really think that just getting rid of any forms government will help anyone?"
The true morons, in America at least, are the conservative dolts occupying the Tea Party; plus anyone sitting at home who obtains all of their ord... er ... information from Fox News.
Two: As far as getting rid of governments, I can tell you who it WOULDN'T benefit: The capitalists and their political lap dogs, both of whom enrich themselves from the work of the many.
bapyou 1 year ago
you didnt answer the question. do you really think that just getting rid of aall forms of government will help anyone?
hint0122 1 year ago
@bapyou Anarchists are against the government in the form of a State which exploits the lower classes. So by ending exploitation then Yes we do think getting rid of such govt would help everyone.
zapatista77 1 year ago
@zapatista77 I was replying to someone else's comment. I certainly have a basic understanding of anarchist thought. Emma Goldman is one of my heroes. She was a feminist decades before the word came into common usage.
Cheers.
bapyou 1 year ago
@bapyou Lol. I see that now. Sorry.
zapatista77 1 year ago
anarchists can and have do just as much damage as any goverment. look at Somalia. they have no government, and people are worse off.
hint0122 1 year ago
@hint0122 That is anarchy is the casual, sloppy use only.
smellincoffee 1 year ago
anarchy is anarchy
hint0122 1 year ago
@hint0122 Anarchism isnt really about destroying govt but decentralizing power and redirecting it to the people. It really depends on what the word govt means to you. If it means a apparatus where power is centralized in a bureaucracy (democratic or not) that justifies itself by violence and protects ruling class interests then yes we want to destroy that. If it means public services such as utilities, police, etc than no. Imagine it as participatory democracy.
zapatista77 1 year ago
no Anarchist movement only stopped at the power class. you only have to look to russia.
isnt democracy participatory by name? one person, one vote
hint0122 1 year ago
@hint0122 No its not. At least not representative democracy as we have it. As Marx said on democracy "Every 4 yrs the oppressed are allowed to choose out of their oppressors who will oppress them for the next 4 yrs."
The State is an institution built upon violence on coercion to maintain class society. It is separate from society and has a separate will. A democratic state can only achieve plutocracy not democracy. Anarchism aims to cure the ills of society through liberty.
zapatista77 1 year ago
what violence? liberty has a limit. look at Somalia. they have no goverment, you can do whatever you want, but they are worse off. better yet, look at some places in this country where the cops wont go like LA.
hint0122 1 year ago
here is a better question. name any Anarchism movement that worked
hint0122 1 year ago
@hint0122 Cant say that is a better question you just think you can win that way. I think the best example the Mondragon Cooperative Corporation which is based on the economic principles on anarcho mutualism. You also have Spain in 1936, the anarchists movements in Russia before the Bolsheviks consolidated power. Where ever an anarchist movement failed it wasnt due to failures of anarchism but the State crushing the movement.
zapatista77 1 year ago
@hint0122 "here is a better question. name any Anarchism movement that worked"
Why?
"anarchists can and have do just as much damage as any goverment. look at Somalia."
You confuse anarchy with lawlessness. In an anarchic society, there would still be laws and social institutions. What an anarchic society would lack, is a coercive governemnt, or "State". There are many, many different forms of anarchy. In contemporary terms, anarchy means "stateless". You need to do some research.
mikemat3307 1 year ago
This has been flagged as spam show
and you need to pull your head out of your ass.
hint0122 1 year ago
why? if you cant name one that worked, then why is it a workable system? if there is no goverment, who makes the laws, and enforces them?
hint0122 1 year ago
@hint0122 "if you cant name one that worked, then why is it a workable system? "
How do you know it isn't workable? Name me one government in the history of civilization that wasn't corrupt, that wasn't coercive, and didn't exploit the masses. Why do you want to keep "trying" at a failed system? Are you familiar with Einstein's definition of insanity?
Out of 535 members of Congress, name me three that have ANY principles. Ron Paul and Dennis Kucinich being 1 and 2.
3.?????
mikemat3307 11 months ago
Comment removed
razamataz45 1 year ago
@bapyou Denouncing violence and then resorting to it when it achieves your ends is hypocrisy of the highest order. Goldman was a fraud, led by a juvenile ideology that proclaimed a false idealism. Grow up and get a clue.
razamataz45 1 year ago
@razamataz45 Hey assclown, Goldman sometimes denounced violence and at other times didn't. Just like governments. There is nothing false about anarchism. Grow the fuck up yourself and get a clue.
nurktwin1960 1 year ago
@razamataz45 "Denouncing violence and then resorting to it when it achieves your ends is hypocrisy of the highest order."
You should tell that to the American government, whom -- we are endlessly told -- go around the world spreading peace and democracy.
Goldman was not a fraud. The true frauds are capitalist governments whose pronouncements are composed of complete falsehoods and outright lies.
"Patriotism is nothing more than the organized interests of the ruling class." - Bakunin
bapyou 1 year ago
thats funny, since when jefferson and the rest of the founding father broke away from GB, they did it so ALL people could have a better life.
hint0122 1 year ago
@hint0122 The white men who owned land, anyhow.
smellincoffee 1 year ago
so says you. wouldnt you say that what they did has helped everyone?
hint0122 1 year ago
@razamataz45 There is such a huge difference in being violent in defense of a state of things that exploits you. Then there is being violent to break the shackles on you and your brothers. But I dont think violence is necessary in our society but that doesnt mean it cant be a last resort. Its much better to be constructive than destructive.
zapatista77 1 year ago
@razamataz45 "Denouncing violence and then resorting to it when it achieves your ends is hypocrisy of the highest order."
Goldman never committed acts of violence. She was deported because she was organizing against World War 1 -- the first great bail out for American bankers.
"Goldman was a fraud, led by a juvenile ideology that proclaimed a false idealism."
Hardly. She was a person of uncommon courage, something you obviously lack.
Get a clue yourself, asshole.
bapyou 1 year ago
@razamataz45
Can you seriously not see a difference between not supporting mass slaughter, and supporting targeted violence against people who you see as opressors? I don't agree with Goldmans views on the subject myself but it doesn't take much to see that theres a wide expanse of difference between the two. Unless of course one is trying to use cheap rhetorcial shots to make a point instead of making criticisms of actual substance.
Pervyable 7 months ago
@bapyou You have no real leg to stand on yourself. You seem to act a world-wise, red revolutionary. However, you probably no more understand your own farce of an ideology than the Tea Party members understand theirs. Anarchy sets an area up for instability and power grabs by cynical and enterprising individuals. In short order, the system will return from whence it came, perhaps with much worse consequences (Hitler and Stalin being two great examples).
razamataz45 1 year ago
This has been flagged as spam show
@razamataz45 "Anarchy sets an area up for instability and power grabs by cynical and enterprising individuals."
That is not anarchy. That would be cynical and enterprising individuals grabbing power, anathema to anarchism.
"the system will return from whence it came, perhaps with much worse consequences (Hitler and Stalin being two great examples)."
Neither of these men were anarchists. Can you say Straw Man?
bapyou 1 year ago
@razamataz45
You really need to read some actual anarchist literature if you haven't already. I can't see how you could have if you honestly think the anarchy espoused by Emma Goldman and others like her is predicated on instability. Its predicated on order as well just a much more decentralized order.
Your citing of Hitler and Stalin are both wrong as well, and curious as neither came out of anarchy. For someone so apparently ignorant your very arrogant.
Pervyable 7 months ago
Sandra reading Emma Goldman? So fucking amazing.
maybeilljoincia 1 year ago 18
Sandra Oh does such an amazing job of reading this that it is hard to believe she is reading or acting. She is so natural you would think she was speaking her own words. Solidarity Forever!
neonmoon82 1 year ago
why the fuck are people comparing anarchism to communism?? these left wing fucks need to go hijack something else... sell your fucking bullshit to someone else.
Communism is not the same as anarchism...
plus don't left wing loons want more war and bigger government??? You are worse than the bible freaks IMHO!
HerrSpieldose 1 year ago
@HerrSpieldose ... You wrong, buddy.
thultner 1 year ago
@thultner and I bet you are a liberal who voted for Obama yet you voted and I am wrong?? I can vote in 2 countries and refuse to...
HerrSpieldose 1 year ago
ironically, one of the simpler choices people in the world can choose to make is to get along and choose to not hate, kill or act on those impulses and the nations in the world are dependent on people's choice to be hateful, angry and want to kill... and the only hope for true peaceful anarchism to show what it really is would be to choose to get along... the corrupt people in each government would go away if faced with that "threat"... this isn't any deep belief that needs theories just peace
HerrSpieldose 1 year ago
@DeviX03 Are you fucking nuts?
scringer12 1 year ago
Im not a white supremacist nor a white skinned person, but the Zulu have killed thousands of their own tribes and millions of others. At least Europeans and Americans do it to promote democracy, access to trade, oil, money, etc... They have a good reason, therefore the deaths of millions are justified.
DeviX03 1 year ago
@DeviX03 Total horseshit.
Antiks72 1 year ago
@DeviX03
That is one of the most idiotic things I believe I have ever heard. First of all, America is not even a democracy; its a corpratocracy. Second, you obviously don't know what democracy is, because you group it with slavery (indicated by "access to trade, oil, money, etc...") Third, you resolve that the deaths of innocents of millions are justified by capitalism (slavery) and the elite; and you also believe that the death of an innocent is justifiable.
Altruikus 1 year ago
@Altruikus Absolutely correct. America was founded as a republic not democracy.
The founders did not believe in direct democracy and why should they? Most of them were enlightenment figures with no conception of the average person having a say.
People should keep in mind that voting rights originally belonged to property holding men and the citizens were considered "free white persons". Blacks and others need not apply.
So much for democracy.
MultiSmartass1 1 year ago
@DeviX03 And Europeans have killed millions of their own in two world wars and countless European wars beforehand. These wars were not to establish Democracy to fight off fascism and overwrought monarchism.
More wihite people killed in those wars than in batles fought by Zulus against other tribes.
Therefore, as you believe-the deaths of millions of white people were justified.
MultiSmartass1 1 year ago
Poorly performed.
Seaileanu 1 year ago
Do not listen to that Communist propaganda.
DeviX03 1 year ago
@DeviX03
I didn't know eqaulity was propaganda.
TheKenTerry 1 year ago
@TheKenTerry actually it is, because all races are not equal.
DeviX03 1 year ago
@DeviX03
Oh, I didn't realize I was talking to a racist.
TheKenTerry 1 year ago
@TheKenTerry Is not racism it is realism. The idea that all races are equally intelligent and strong is idiotic
DeviX03 1 year ago
@DeviX03
This could be fun, so which race is the strongest one?
TheKenTerry 1 year ago
@TheKenTerry I don't mean race supremacy Nazi style, Im just saying all races are not equal thats bullshit.
DeviX03 1 year ago
@DeviX03
I don't really follow this then, give me an example of a race being genetically better than another?
TheKenTerry 1 year ago
@TheKenTerry if you cant tell the difference between Europeans and Africans, then I wont bother with you. Think are they equal?
DeviX03 1 year ago
@DeviX03
Not in circumstance, but if one was to put both in a level enviroment. yes, most definatly they are equal.
TheKenTerry 1 year ago
@TheKenTerry stop being ignorant and unrealistic this is not a fairytale there are those who are rich, powerful, educated and those who are poor, weak, and uneducated. that is reality that's the world 6 people hold nearly 50% of the world's wealth.
DeviX03 1 year ago
@DeviX03
You are looking at this differently than I am. You're looking at what it is right now, not individual potential. The only reason why one group is doing better than the other is because of circumstance, not because the other side is stupid. I'd like to see you try and make something of yourself living in a grass hut.
TheKenTerry 1 year ago
@TheKenTerry some races tend to have a better and higher "Individual Potential" than others, which is the point I am trying to make. by the way early Europeans, South and North Americans lived in grass hut or similar materials. The Africans are just backward people, which proves that the ideology of everyone is equal is incorrect.
DeviX03 1 year ago
@DeviX03
No, that's where you're wrong. The Africans were fine until the Europeans decided they wanted thier land. Look at the middle east and south america, their knowledge of the solar system was rediculous until the Europeans decided to whipe away all of thier culture and scientific discoveries.
TheKenTerry 1 year ago
@TheKenTerry Before Europeans restored order in Africa it was a continent with hundreds of small tribes and kingdoms. Brutal ones like the Zulu kingdom under Shaka. South America? the Aztecs who at their most important sort of "holidays" would sacrifice around 70,000 people, each getting their hearts rip out of their bodies. Middle East? even today brutal violence fueled by religious fanaticism back then and today.
DeviX03 1 year ago
@DeviX03
And yet under the name of God Europeans and Americans have killed more people combined than these "tribes". Have you heard of the slave trade as well? Don't believe everything your teachers taught you. White people are just as ignorant in history. I didn't see Zulu burning people because they were thought fo be witches.
TheKenTerry 1 year ago
@TheKenTerry
That is correct. The winners write history, and let us not forget the bubonic plague. One third of Europe killed off. Writhing in its own demise. That was a result of the Church yes? The corrupt... those on top; the ones who plummeted Europe into illiteracy and servitude while simultaneously destroying the art and literature collectives of all time.
Deulineum 1 year ago
@DeviX03
Incorrect. In Africa, complex surgeries were performed before Europeans had a concept of disease.
Deulineum 1 year ago
@DeviX03
Communist?
THEcontinanza 1 year ago
@THEcontinanza
No, in conclusion he would be a very confused and moronic fascist... the opposite of a communist or anarchist.
Altruikus 1 year ago
I want to know where all the Anarchists are today...
6sully8391 1 year ago
@6sully8391 Look around...We are small in Number but we are here.
I am forced into the shadows in my hometown, but here i can preache and inform.
We are oppressed, but like a caged monster, we bide our time,biting offthe hands that come to close and waiting for the cage door to open...
AnarchysSoldier 1 year ago
@6sully8391
They're in the corporate boardrooms. Where else?
Actually, I take that back. They're for government, all right--for government stacking the deck.
emncaity 1 year ago
"Patriotism sir, is the last resource of scoundrels" love it...
nessergio 1 year ago
This speech is beautiful. Emma Goldman has just become one of my new favorite people.
GoldeneyePwner 1 year ago
anarcho capitalists are idiots. capitalism is why were in the mess were in. it agrees with civilization, and thats not anarchy
stett99 1 year ago
@eboyd32 anarcho-capitalist is not a contradiction of terms. your labour creates things or services that you are free to trade.
jaminunit 1 year ago
*sigh* i don't want to get into this here, but whatever:
too bad that isn't all that "anarcho"-capitalists are about. don't forget that wage slavery (subordinating yourself as a means of production to a boss who, in effect, you are renting yourself out to, much like indentured servitude) is encouraged and private property allows a "monopoly of force over a definite territory", aka a state. i too believe in free and voluntary trade, but i don't believe in a society that is set up to...
eboyd32 1 year ago
...encourage subordination. if you want a free and voluntary society, it should be completely free and voluntary, and people should be active in opposing attempts to undermine that principal, including attempts for people to horde supplies and create businesses in which there are hired workers. a structure in which factories and other workplaces are not owned and are voluntarily and collectively self-managed would hardly likely be conducive to wage labor.
eboyd32 1 year ago
My question is: Are these actors and actresses REALLY interested in what they are doing, after all their job is to act.
lpbmartialarts 2 years ago
yeah, but sandra oh is a pretty political one.
pihingler 2 years ago
Emma Goldman has got to be my favorite anarchist thinker.
ramberghini 2 years ago
This comment has received too many negative votes show
Anarchy is a "cool idea" some people talk about when they are bored.
One word to shut them up: Singapore
NeutrinosForSale 2 years ago
1. that's not anarchy.
2. if anything they are getting close to "anarcho"-capitalism, which, by definition, is a contradiction of terms (something self-proclaimed anarcho-capitalists don't seem to realize).
3. how about you take a look at the Paris commune, or the kibbutzen, or the Spanish Revolution of 1936-39 instead. each had the unfortunate fate of being crushed or changed in one way or another. Spain, being the only large scale example, was crushed by force during the Spanish Civil War.
eboyd32 2 years ago
@eboyd32 there's also the recovered factory movement in argentina, where workers are taking over the factories there.
mrtyles 1 year ago
yes, i know about FaSinPat and the 200+ other factories in Argentina. a similar situation is going on, though to a smaller degree, in Algeria, but i was specifically speaking of societies that were anarchistic in nature, not simply of work conditions that reflect anarchist principles. but i agree, FaSinPat and co are great examples of anarchy in action :) i would also claim that the democratic schools around the world work as good examples as well.
eboyd32 1 year ago
conclusion: anarchy can work, as history has proven. the problem is that the governments and big businesses of this world don't want us to realize it.
eboyd32 2 years ago 2
Wow, very insightful! 5*
NWOpartycrasher 2 years ago
the fact is we have to defend ourselves but it would be better if we did not have to that takes the other side to teach their children not to go to war as well as ourselves.
She was right though and this centuary proves it
john5o 2 years ago
absolutely beautiful.
fede2 2 years ago 11
Viva la revolucion!!
Viva la resistencia!!
Hoch lebe der Anarchosyndikalismus
Anarchia siempre
Long live anarchosyndicalism
Ya basta! Que se vayan todos!
A LAS BARRICADAS -(A)-
MannoMagic 2 years ago 5
just hearing her read is heaven, her voice is so powerful, i cant hear anything else but her, wow!
by the way, anyone know what jacket she's wearing?
cykate 2 years ago 5
There seems something awfully disingenuous about Hollywood "progressives" reading Emma Goldman on the error of patriotism. It's not confrontational enough to be true to Emma's spirit.
Irtidad 2 years ago 8
Well said. I would add that the literature is almost taken out of context for the sake of metaphorical satire. We get it...You don't like war / republicans.
itowedin 2 years ago
This has been flagged as spam show
Viva La Revolucion!!!
Tsukae 2 years ago 3
Your comment is no spam
MannoMagic 2 years ago 2
Wow, Sandra Oh was quite magnificent there. Very impassioned, very convincing.
Ofcourse, she had good material to work from. Goldman was a genius.
RedAthena1919 2 years ago 29
SOLIDARITY.
Joszuaprocess 2 years ago 31
Emma... you done good.
Solechnaya 2 years ago 13
powerful, she was ahead of her time, so reminiscent of our times, long live the goldmans of the world!
alexrsuarez1 3 years ago 9
Yay! One of my favorites.
vktrsx 3 years ago 7
"Patriotism is the conviction that your country is superior to all others because you were born in it" - George Bernard Shaw.
WillScarlet16 3 years ago 9
Wow. My clock just stopped.
BlackScab 3 years ago
...
"Patriotism, sir, is the last resort of scoundrels," said Dr. Samuel Johnson. Leo Tolstoy, the greatest anti-patriot of our time, defines patriotism as the principle that will justify the training of wholesale murderers; a trade that requires better equipment in the exercise of man-killing than the making of such necessities as shoes, clothing, and houses; a trade that guarantees better returns and greater glory than that of the honest workingman. ...
eatallday0713 3 years ago
East Asia (Japan, both Koreas, and China) needs Emma Goldman.
eatallday0713 3 years ago
google "nonwestern anarchisms"
We need them, they need us. Solidarity.
necronomicjustice 2 years ago 2
Fantastic speech. I love Emme and my respect for Sandra just shot right up as well.
The quote that I think sums up these ideals best is one by Charles de Montesquieu that goes:
"If I knew something that would serve my country but would harm mankind, I would never reveal it; for I am a citizen of humanity first and by necessity, and a citizen of France second, and only by accident"
AndySiner 3 years ago 4
*Emma
AndySiner 3 years ago 2
It's called jingoism. Or Chauvinism. These words need to be brought back into the vocabulary. Today so called "patriotism" is Jingoism, a "My country right or wrong, Love it or leave it" mentality.
pataphysician66 3 years ago 2
A fine uploading, Nick
Leibo07 3 years ago
Excellent
nickglais 3 years ago 3
This comment has received too many negative votes show
Considering Sandra Oh is of Korean descent, perhaps she should direct her anarchist persuasions toward North Korea and her maniacal henchwomen and the refugees fleeing to China due to persecution, extreme poverty, and starvation... Great oration nevertheless!
generationsackcloth 3 years ago
Why on earth are people giving this comment thumbs down?
necronomicjustice 2 years ago
Comment removed
generationsackcloth 2 years ago
@necronomicjustice; because there is a world full of idiots out there, drinking fluoridated water, eating gmo foods and taking shots that contain mercury!
NWOpartycrasher 2 years ago 5
SOLIDARITY!
IWW610 3 years ago 4
Scoundrels!!!!!
freethinker17 3 years ago
patriarchism is the last resort of what? sorry my English is not very good...!
gamblergirl 3 years ago
It is patriotism. In this reading it is "Patriotism is the last resort of the scoundrels." At other times it is quoted as "Patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel."
sagekat3 3 years ago
such passion! excellently done, sandra!
pinalakangtabing 3 years ago 5
holy crap this is a great speech
yeahnahtru 3 years ago 11
Well done Sandra! Viva Emma!
evavaillan 4 years ago 8