If you believe something you are submitting to another's idea, which is not the self.
Religion is the spawn of evil men, nothing more. More innocents have been slaughtered in the name of your so called "god" than every evil on our world combined, may it be famine disease.
Religion can only bring sadness for you attach yourself to the idea that you are not equal to the beings in a higher place of existence and worship them as such, they look down on us in awe and yet...look what we do
@mikehawk22094 how the hell are you going to even talk about handling "real metal" on a norma jean song? don't get me wrong, i like these guys, but definitely not "metal" queerbo.
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@Metaltrooper78 So you're saying that I cannot experience these things without religion? Or that I might not already be living my day to day life through same kind of experiences?
As I see it.. that you was weak before and through religion you could find those things in yourself and that you couldn't do that before but then again i don't know you so i cannot say. Religion divides people, starts wars, bashes gay people and at the same time preaches of loving one another.
Church is supposed to be the hospital for the sick and needy..the homeless and the poor...not for religious fatcats, to put their name on a pew and demand it every sunday...what are we to say to a broken world in search of who we say we have so much faith in, when we're not showing it. Our actions have to match our words. I was a truck driver once and i saw a strip club open all nite long, while the church next door was closed...what are we saying?
i know God commands us to go to church, a church that preaches His Son crucified and risen from the dead...a church that is not afraid to say what the truth is and call a sin a sin...to convict us by the Holy Spirit our need of a Savior. But churches dont do that too much nowadays. they are always so worried about who they will offend. Not to many of them know the real Jesus anyway, and certainly dont preach the real Him.
@danieldeming Nope, i wont support a cult that should have died at the end of the dark ages, i dont have a problem with your faith. But the churches that hide sexual abuse claims, the millions of peoples lives lost in the name of "religion", the inequality put on atheists or Muslim soldiers. The dehumanization of gays or lesbians, i had a "christian friend" verbally abuse a gay guy today to the point where the gay guy just broke down ad left the college, you tell me how religion has helped.
@lolismful If you're referring to Christianity, I think we all know that "cult" is hardly an accurate term for the world's largest religion so let's be honest with the terminology.
I agree those things you cited are evil and sorry about your friend. But what does this band or this song have to do with it?
It could be written by gay, Muslim soldiers... I'd still listen to it. Haha, if I only listened to music created by people who mirror my personal life, I'd have a rather short playlist.
atheists are to burn in the fiery pits of hell watching as their skin slowly melts away but knowing there is nothing they can do to rid themselves of the pain!!!i ask what type of good god plans this???i would think the devil would,but....
The title is a little misleading. Wouldn’t a “Deathbed Atheist” be a Christian who renounces all of their beliefs and converts to atheism right before death? The song should be called “Deathbed Christian”.
I am an atheist myself and believe only the weak willed need something bigger then themselves to believe in and let make their decisions for them...You control you're body and you're brain is your god because it's what tells you to kill or to be a cheerful little pawn who follows every rule ever written by MAN...religion has killed more people then people have...you call me crazy for not believing a book written by man and you believe there is a magic guy floating around the clouds, and im crazy
@Atreyu1611 i dont know what you are but your not atheist..... atheists is a person who is not too sure if there is or isnt a god. you just plain out dont believe atheists beleive there could be a god just not sure so get your stuff right.
i put faith and love in god in hope that he exists but i dont beleive in religions...
@36jreal lmao me get my stuff right?? are you retarded?? Athieist is a rejection in "god" and believe there is nothing...agnostic is not believe or disbelieving...and there are also different forms of both...agnostic atheists, who do not believe any "god" exists, but do not deny it as a possibility and agnostic theists, who believe a God exists but do not claim to know that...so you need to do some research before you open you're mouth again and sound like an even bigger moron
@36jreal haha, you're bashing a guy for not knowing what an atheist is, but you yourself have it wrong. haha, atheism is the rejection of belief in the existence of deities. what you are thinking of is agnosticism...youtube, cracks me up everytime. LOL
@JIIIAIIIIMIIIIEIIIS Sorry man, I just posted the same thing without reading your comment first...Atleast I know someone agrees though! Didnt want ya thinking I stole your comment ;)
@36jreal Actually atheists believe there is no god, not that he exists but that they just don't believe in him (which would be kind of stupid). Atheists are most likely more of the opinion that it's just a matter of time before God can be disproved. The people that think we can't prove it either way are called agnostics.
I saw these guys on Friday in the small town of Alma, Arkansas. The building was literally around 110 degrees inside(if not hotter) and the building, which could comfortably hold 60 people had a turn out of what I would guys was 200+. Needless to say, it was chaotic and I loved every minute of it!
how much symbolism is in this video? surely they didn't put it random things just for the sake of having a video? there's gotta be some deeper meanings in all that's present in the video. i can assume and guess but i won't be fully correct about the symbolism/meaning in the video, i'd like to hear some explanations/ opinions, i know they'll differ from one person to another but that's what shows us for who we are, different yet so similar..
Let me ask a question to any who oppose Christians...you're saying that if a person knows that there is an unspeakable horrible place known as Hell and that the only way a person will not suffer there is to become a servant of Jesus that they should not say anything and let them burn? Let me rephrase that now it's the same as telling a someone not to push a little kid out of the way of a bus flying down a highway or keeping that person from even yelling a warning. It's almost murder.
@nahor24 Dude that's an excellent question because God is a Holy (set apart/sinless) and just God, sin cannot be in His presence and the price of sin is death. The reason Jesus had to die on the cross in such a brutal way is because that's how bad sin is. Sin is direct opposition toward God. The reason it exists is because God gave all His creation (even angels) free will without free will there is no love...but there is also no hate. God didn't want robots He wants His creation to love Him.
@nahor24 Also Hell was not created for humans originally it was created for Satan and the demons they were the first of Gods creation to sin and because they could not be in Gods presence because they committed sin He had to make a place to detain them. We live in a fallen world the world was made perfect originally until Adam and Eve sinned and allowed sin to corrupt the earth. So in essence we (human kind) are responsible for everything bad that happens on earth.
@nahor24 God in His infinite love for us wanted to allow us a chance to be free of sin and be able to come back to Him by giving His son (Jesus) as the perfect sacrifice for our sin. Jesus stood in our place and took the punishment we deserve. So that those who turned their backs on their sin asking God for forgiveness and placing their trust in Jesus that He was sufficient to take away our sin would be seen as sinless in Gods sight and would be able to stand in His presence with no condemnation
@nahor24 let me first answer your question with a question. How do you know that the space shuttle challenger exploded? How do you know JFK was a president of the united states? what about the civil war? Leonardo Da Vinci? or that the Roman Empire ever even existed. How do you know that any of those things are true? This isn't a trick question it's an obvious answer. Because I could and possibly will have to go into great detail on the next part so I'll let you answer first.
@MTP07SG answer me; how can you be sure anything you just said is true? how can you base your entire life on a thousand year old book? do you really find your life that meaningless? im sure its worth more than that
@nahor24 Excellent lets start here. I know that Challenger exploded because the families of those killed and those who were there that day can tell me for a fact they saw it happen. JFK was president because people knew him and can attest to that and his face is on the half dollar. We know there was a civil war because still have old photographs and letters preserved from that time we also find musket balls and other artifacts on famous battle grounds that tell of the battles there.
@nahor24 Da Vinci existed or we wouldn't have the mona lisa, or all of his primitive schematics of things like helicopters or planes we know because of that which has been preserved. The Roman Empire Existed as we are digging up danarii and other coins with Ceasers face on them we find what's left of Roman architecture the aquaducts attest to the industriousness of those people the colliseum as well. Many Ancient writers (historians non the less) tell us about their culture which is backed up
in the archeological finds that we unearth. How do we know Jesus was the Son of God? or even existed for that matter? Josephus, Tacitus, Plenny the younger and many other SECULAR historians that lived during that time wrote about Jesus doing things no mortal could do. Jesus tomb is empty He rose from the dead and appeared to over 300 people at once in some cases. Paul a man who killed Christians because he was so devout in Judaism became a Christian after Christ appeared to him.
James Jesus own brother who didn't believe He was anything but a mere magician after the resurrection wrote one of the books in the Bible (James) in which he calls himself a servant of God and the Lord Jesus Christ. Paul was willing to die for Jesus and did even though He was directly opposed at first. That would be like a far left wing democrat willing to die for the position of a far right wing republican it's polar opposite nothing except an extreme life changing event could do this.
I could go on forever in that direction but lets switch gears to the Bible as a whole. It's 66 books that were written by over 40 different authors spanning over 1500 years, it was written in 3 different languages and it doesn't contradict itself but instead agrees all pointing to Jesus. The Gospels were written within 30 years of Christs death with the exception of John which may have been 40 which for a historian is like gold because that shows the authenticity of it.
@MTP07SG a good amount. I do admit i was force fed alot of stuff about the bible and God but tht wasnt good enough for me. I knew i had to find the truth for myself. so i researched.....alot and finally came to the conclusion tht there is a God
fun fact the quaran was written over 5 centuries after their prophet mohammed was dead it was passed by word of mouth that long...ever played the game of telephone? Not to pick on Muslims they're just the easiest example to give with a leader from about the same time. The Bible has the most complete manuscripts of any ancient text and yet is the most burned and banned book in the world. Christians aren't afraid of science and history and archeology because they all point to God.
to close up my small book I just wrote and answer your question: my life is but a vapor in context of time or eternity why should I live for anything more than He who created me? You say "you happened by chance" based on what has been told to you or maybe through some research that you've done (I applaud the latter). I say continue in your research find the simplest and most likely cause of life mathmatically and scientifically that's what scientists do because it leads to the answer.
@MTP07SG okay im not sure what youre talking about, but please dont make the assumption that I place all my faith in evolution just becuase i dont believe in any sort of god from the christians description.
I believe in asking uestions, finding things out for yourself. because letting a book rule your life with an "amen" and a "hallelulah" might not be the best descision after all.
I'm not saying youre wrong, but I think you cant be certain of anything.. especially our creation..
@nahor24 Dude that is awesome to hear you say that you search for truth through your own research! Keep doing that do not settle till you find the truth based on logic and supporting evidence.
So how much study on the background of the Bible have you done? What do you know of Christians? the stuff you've heard and seen on tv? Cause those most likely aren't Christians they're posers. Christians are about love and sharing the truth no matter the cost.
Certainty is an odd thing when it comes to faith God requires a certain amount of faith from us but it is by no means a blind faith. What I'm talking about is that you can't put God in a test tube and sense him with your 5 senses. But you can through history, science, archeology, etc. you can see God created the world Jesus was His Son and died then came back to life 3 days later the only religion that makes such a claim because it's true. I would say you should study faith.
as that and maybe an understandably skewed view of Christianity seem to be the only things holding you back in this area of your search for truth. I'm not going to "try to convert you" that's not my job i'm just going to give you the truth and let you study it for yourself because in the end each man must decide on his own if he accepts or rejects truth. You're wiser than most and more respectable in that you do your own research I'll pray that you find the evidence you need.
@kegslinger i respect your opinion but, there are some many religions. all of them try to convince that they are right and the other religions are wrong. also such much thing has happened in my life, and all these things gave me lessons and the most important lessos it's never stop to believe in god. this is the most short argument that i can give you. bye ;)
@luvz2spooj Do you spout of everything you hear from joe rogan you fucking queer. The theory behind dmt being produced in the pineal gland is just about as scientifically accurate as me stating i can shoot unicorns from my dick. Strassman, the guy who wrote the book your referencing from theorized that dmt COULD be the reason for our dreams and post mortem visions. However no evidence or studies have EVER proven that. Also there is only a very small less than ideal amount of dmt in our bodies.
@luvz2spooj Yes and the creation of those chemicals was merely an accident just like the information that was encoded into our DNA, Look deeper than the Earth and Humans.
Religon is religon. Christianity is an act of faith, seeing is not believing in this case. so Atheists, believe what you want to believe. but I am very much a Christian. there is really no way to convince others that there is a God watching over us at all times. it just means that you have to be a little less ignorant to consider the possibility.
@marshandomness I think most Atheists have tried to accept a religion, but were drawn away from it's deceits and the fact that it's worthless. Well, all atheists i know were once religious.
Norma Jean and Underoath are both great bands, but I feel wrong listening to them because of their christian-ness. It's weird because some of the best music is completely anti-religion.
@CincoDrums I think it's because the best music is born of conflict and emotion. Just as though people who struggle to come to terms with being a non-believer surrounded by believers, some Christians likely struggle from the opposite. It is that turmoil within the mind and heart that the best artists are able to tap into to create something that can speak to the hearts of others. And you'll note that throughout human history much of the best art revolves around faith or rejection of it.
That title of the song is a little misleading. Wouldn’t a “Deathbed Atheist” be a Christian who renounces all of their beliefs and converts to atheism right before death? The song should be called “Deathbed Christian”.
Norma Jean please explain - we really want to know!
@Leviathan7872 music, like all art is abstract, its supposed to mean different things to different people, for all we know the song could be about unicorns that defecate muffins. Its not up to us to decipher the meaning or the artist to explain there musing, its simply there to be enjoyed. Christian, Jewish, Islamic, flying spaghetti monster...it doesn't matter, the subject of artist should never be held under a "moral microscope" thus allowing artistic freedom for the artist. thoughts? anyone?
@LordNorbermort everything is depend on the artist. If the artist wanna give a symbolic form to his work to describe something then the receiver has to decipher it, its not everytime just to enjoy. Life itself is not about keeping it in one way. Symbolic art is there to play with certain emotions and get exactly through the subconsciousness of the latter. In this way the artist can show his ideas, feelings, whatever that is that cannot show with simple words. I agree for the moral definition...
@LordNorbermort ...the artist must be wide and not keep the subject under certain ideologies, but sometimes moral and faith characters can be used like a symbol to play the role of the mediator between the artist and the audience.
who cares what they already. Its good. Like it or dont search for this song just to whether or not they are christain. Theyre great to me. Thats all that matters
To try and put this argument to rest, I grew up with some of the guys in Norma Jean and I can tell you with 100% confidence that they do not identify themselves as a Christian band in order to sell more records. Also, to reiterate what Joegreen29 said, a good band is a good band, regardless of religious beliefs. Myself and many of my friends who consider themselves agnostic or even a full fledged atheist loved the hell out of many Christian Bands, like Norma Jean. Zao, Embodyment, etc.
The world is such a bad place to live in why do we need to fight. It's pointless when it comes to God he can't be proven or dis proven that's why I don't argue. It's a matter of if you believe or not. Let's just all get along
@UndeniablyInsaneGuy being a "christian band" is an image, and images sell. uptight religious nuts for parents who otherwise wont allow their kids listening to "devil music" suddenly change their minds when the band is supposedly "christian" = more sales. this is especially true for countries with large religious populations such as US.
@forerunner06 well bands like this and say for instance thrice, the chariot and avenged sevenfold don't label themselves as christian music, they label it according to how the music sounds and less so what the lyrics are about - so parents wouldn't really notice that they're christian unless they read the lyrics and picked them apart, which i doubt is a common activity. i enjoy listening to this music because even if it is christian, which i'm not, they're writing stuff that they mean, you know?
@forerunner06 This is not true. My parents hated this type of music no matter the Christian label. I listen because I like it. Images are made to sell sure, but some more than others. In the music industry, the least effective label one can have is religion. Every video I watch has Lady Gaga's stupid face plastered behind it- SHE made an image for herself- one that has gained more popularity than any other. I can guarantee you that Norma Jean did not label themselves as religious to make money.
@UndeniablyInsaneGuy most "christian bands" nowadays just copy the same chugcore that's already been played by hundreds of non-jebusfreaks. and as if any of them follows their so called faith. it's just an act to get more sales. you can be sure that they snort cocaine, get drunk and commit "adultery" in private. yeah there are some good christian artists, but no, the best metal bands are not christians.
What makes me believe is the fact, that this world is so beautiful. I know it is not an evidence, but evidence shall not define ones faith.
This is how I see it:
What makes most sense? The worlds creation by a massive and completely random explosion, or a creative designer who has made a fantastic artwork. I believe in the last part, and by seeing others love, which is a reflection of Gods grace, that is enough evidence for me. (Btw sorry for being so preachy)
@ianwilliams12 There's a huge difference between knowing the meaning and agreeing with it. The emotions represented aren't exclusive to some people, or one religion. In the same way that a piece of art, or film can mean one thing to the creator and another to the beholder. Unlike most religious people, I don't look for differences between myself and others. I choose to see the similarities common in all people.
@Joegreen29 I'm just saying the reason those lyrics are put there is so the artist can express his views and emotions on it. You can take anything any way you want. but sometimes things are meant one way. I'm not trying to start an argument in anyway, i was just saying.
@Joegreen29 I'm exactly the same way, I don't base music on religion or personal beliefs...some of the best metal bands are christian bands or just chritsian members in the band and I listen to the music before I make a choice and when reading up on bands and finding their beliefs has no effect on my opinion of the band
Why don't you see comments like this on satanist band videos?
Because most christians don't venture there to just debate.
But non-christians come here to debate?
I'm tired of religious debates on christian videos. I came here to have security from other band's sketchy lyrics AND ALL I GET TO READ ARE NEGATIVE COMMENTS WHILE I'M LISTENING TO THE FREAKING SONGS
@m1sterHANDS "most christians don't venture there to just debate." - That's the problem. Christians can't take it when they are criticized. They don't want to learn anything.
@TheSevenkiller "Offer" - NOBLE BRATS "Attractive" - EATLIZ "Redemption" - DISTORTED "The Coming Of Soon" - ABED "King Of The Road" - ZOOVINGROOVE "Abandoned" - MENS REA "Sour Days" - BEHIND THE SUN "The Days" - JET SAM "Easy Does It" - VULTURES "Selfish" - SEVEN PERCENT MIND USAGE "Desolated Spirits" - XENOLITH "Heartbreaker" - CROSSFIRE
I'm an athiest and I'm not offended at all,I used to get mind fucked about death all the time and now I have a song to listen to when i ponder about it.
When people listen to music, they shoudn't fucking care about what religion the band is! I'm an atheist and I'm listening to this, I think it's good music... sometimes not my favorite lyrics... but still!
My wife died (at least for a little while) and came back from drowning, and she saw and told me about things that have sufficiently convinced me that it's very important to trust in God.
@rectifytheblack420 *plugs ears* lalalalala can't hear it. lalalalala. rectifytheblack... email me if you want specifics. I won't be holding my breath, however, because you are not at all interested in truth. Only in doing whatever you want to do.
I started listening to Norma Jean about 5 years ago and I don't really care that they are Christian. Since when did it become an issue what people believe in? Do you like their music? If so, then why complain about their faith? Anyway, I think this video is one of the best I've seen in awhile. It reminds me of Sledgehammer by Peter Gabriel and thats one of the coolest videos ever.
Who gives a flying fuck what religion they are, they make awesome music, they do it right, they do it better than most, bottom line, its music, not a mass, get over yourselves.
Damn, Norma Jean's gone soft. Clean vocals? Really? Of course I haven't listened to these guys since the album after bless the martyr came out.
Haus2288 3 weeks ago
I like their old singer better.
JefferstChmilst 3 weeks ago
@JefferstChmilst then listen to the chariot
Breakdown1020 3 weeks ago
I've been skeptical of listening to the newest stuff, but this is surprisingly good. Better than anti-mother if you ask me.
DrDazzleFTW 1 month ago
@DrDazzleFTW Meridional is basically what The Anti-Mother should have been.
tallwhiteninja 1 month ago
@tallwhiteninja Yeah, I don't DISLIKE anti-mother necessarily, but it just sounded off and I didn't like the mixing of the record.
DrDazzleFTW 1 month ago
Metal is Metal! No true metalhead would find any subgenre of metal gay! Its just depends on the mood of the listener
KanhaiyaB81 1 month ago
If you believe something you are submitting to another's idea, which is not the self.
Religion is the spawn of evil men, nothing more. More innocents have been slaughtered in the name of your so called "god" than every evil on our world combined, may it be famine disease.
Religion can only bring sadness for you attach yourself to the idea that you are not equal to the beings in a higher place of existence and worship them as such, they look down on us in awe and yet...look what we do
Deku66 2 months ago
i know shit-core
mikehawk22094 2 months ago
@mikehawk22094 wow you're clever
globalchaos1984 1 month ago
@mikehawk22094 Go kill yourself.
LinkParkEffect 1 month ago
@LinkParkEffect bro your name is about linkin park, thats like fucking screamo for pussies that can't handle real metal, faggot
mikehawk22094 1 month ago
@mikehawk22094 I can't handle real metal? Damn you're pretty fucking retarded.
LinkParkEffect 1 month ago
@mikehawk22094 how the hell are you going to even talk about handling "real metal" on a norma jean song? don't get me wrong, i like these guys, but definitely not "metal" queerbo.
goulyman 3 weeks ago
what kind of a fucking genre is this even supposed to be...
mikehawk22094 2 months ago
@Metaltrooper78 Religion is just finding your inner self. You've found peace through yourself.
Bananapielord 2 months ago
Art has a new meaning = Norma Jean
Unle4sh 2 months ago
i dont want to get slapped but i think meridional is easily norma jeans best album
pyroplaya18712 2 months ago 12
@pyroplaya18712 O' God The Aftermath is the best album.
thehardcoreguitarist 2 weeks ago
@thehardcoreguitarist i disagree. im not into arguing about personal taste. but i just like meridional better
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callitclosure 2 months ago
Wow that was an intense video!!
DevinRisner 3 months ago
@Metaltrooper78 So you're saying that I cannot experience these things without religion? Or that I might not already be living my day to day life through same kind of experiences?
As I see it.. that you was weak before and through religion you could find those things in yourself and that you couldn't do that before but then again i don't know you so i cannot say. Religion divides people, starts wars, bashes gay people and at the same time preaches of loving one another.
Analwhiskey 3 months ago
@Metaltrooper78 and how exactly? I'd like to hear. (no sarcasm intended)
Analwhiskey 3 months ago
@Metaltrooper78 No, that is what I believe.
Analwhiskey 3 months ago
I'm a nihilist so fuck it. I love this song.
TensaZangetsu1200 3 months ago
Church is supposed to be the hospital for the sick and needy..the homeless and the poor...not for religious fatcats, to put their name on a pew and demand it every sunday...what are we to say to a broken world in search of who we say we have so much faith in, when we're not showing it. Our actions have to match our words. I was a truck driver once and i saw a strip club open all nite long, while the church next door was closed...what are we saying?
MrOusoonerzrock 3 months ago
i know God commands us to go to church, a church that preaches His Son crucified and risen from the dead...a church that is not afraid to say what the truth is and call a sin a sin...to convict us by the Holy Spirit our need of a Savior. But churches dont do that too much nowadays. they are always so worried about who they will offend. Not to many of them know the real Jesus anyway, and certainly dont preach the real Him.
MrOusoonerzrock 3 months ago
these guys are christian, i love their new cd
MrOusoonerzrock 3 months ago
I need to know if these guys are christian, i cant decipher this song. And i refuse to support the church or anything related to it.
lolismful 3 months ago
@lolismful They are christian
RickeyAustinC 3 months ago
@lolismful So if you like the song you won't let yourself like them/it because of what their faith might be? How mature...
danieldeming 3 months ago
@danieldeming Nope, i wont support a cult that should have died at the end of the dark ages, i dont have a problem with your faith. But the churches that hide sexual abuse claims, the millions of peoples lives lost in the name of "religion", the inequality put on atheists or Muslim soldiers. The dehumanization of gays or lesbians, i had a "christian friend" verbally abuse a gay guy today to the point where the gay guy just broke down ad left the college, you tell me how religion has helped.
lolismful 3 months ago
@lolismful If you're referring to Christianity, I think we all know that "cult" is hardly an accurate term for the world's largest religion so let's be honest with the terminology.
I agree those things you cited are evil and sorry about your friend. But what does this band or this song have to do with it?
It could be written by gay, Muslim soldiers... I'd still listen to it. Haha, if I only listened to music created by people who mirror my personal life, I'd have a rather short playlist.
danieldeming 3 months ago
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tallwhiteninja 3 months ago
Mann das ist der absolute Hammer dat Lied.Schöne Grüße von der Mecklenburgische Seenplatte.
schuhstar831 4 months ago
atheists are to burn in the fiery pits of hell watching as their skin slowly melts away but knowing there is nothing they can do to rid themselves of the pain!!!i ask what type of good god plans this???i would think the devil would,but....
drizzygorehilton 4 months ago
I almost thought the mirror at 0:47 said suicide silence XD that woulad have been mad ironic
TunaaaFishhh 4 months ago
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The title is a little misleading. Wouldn’t a “Deathbed Atheist” be a Christian who renounces all of their beliefs and converts to atheism right before death? The song should be called “Deathbed Christian”.
Enbix 4 months ago
i have one thing to say. no one gives a fuck about your beliefs but yourself. so listen to the music and enjoy it
myaccountissocooler 5 months ago
My favourite Norma Jean song, along with A Small Spark
mrchickenandwafflez 5 months ago
Lied To Me!!!!!!!!!!!
StUnNuHKiN6 5 months ago in playlist Great Hiits...!!!
I am an atheist myself and believe only the weak willed need something bigger then themselves to believe in and let make their decisions for them...You control you're body and you're brain is your god because it's what tells you to kill or to be a cheerful little pawn who follows every rule ever written by MAN...religion has killed more people then people have...you call me crazy for not believing a book written by man and you believe there is a magic guy floating around the clouds, and im crazy
Atreyu1611 5 months ago
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@Atreyu1611 you couldn't be more wrong
bkSHARK100 4 months ago
@Atreyu1611 i dont know what you are but your not atheist..... atheists is a person who is not too sure if there is or isnt a god. you just plain out dont believe atheists beleive there could be a god just not sure so get your stuff right.
i put faith and love in god in hope that he exists but i dont beleive in religions...
36jreal 4 months ago
@36jreal lmao me get my stuff right?? are you retarded?? Athieist is a rejection in "god" and believe there is nothing...agnostic is not believe or disbelieving...and there are also different forms of both...agnostic atheists, who do not believe any "god" exists, but do not deny it as a possibility and agnostic theists, who believe a God exists but do not claim to know that...so you need to do some research before you open you're mouth again and sound like an even bigger moron
Atreyu1611 4 months ago
@36jreal haha, you're bashing a guy for not knowing what an atheist is, but you yourself have it wrong. haha, atheism is the rejection of belief in the existence of deities. what you are thinking of is agnosticism...youtube, cracks me up everytime. LOL
JIIIAIIIIMIIIIEIIIS 2 months ago
@JIIIAIIIIMIIIIEIIIS Sorry man, I just posted the same thing without reading your comment first...Atleast I know someone agrees though! Didnt want ya thinking I stole your comment ;)
TheWastewater 2 months ago
@36jreal Sorry my friend but I do believe that "Atheist" do not believe at all...I think you have that mixed up with agnostic! Just saying...
TheWastewater 2 months ago
@36jreal Actually atheists believe there is no god, not that he exists but that they just don't believe in him (which would be kind of stupid). Atheists are most likely more of the opinion that it's just a matter of time before God can be disproved. The people that think we can't prove it either way are called agnostics.
Dthe3d 2 months ago
@36jreal HAHAHAHA!!! Another know-it-all amongst the interwebs.
CloggedLacrimalGland 2 months ago
Religion makes you weak
Analwhiskey 5 months ago
@Analwhiskey You make yourself weak.
alittledeadbirdtold 5 months ago
@alittledeadbirdtold well.. if you say so then yeah that must be it
Analwhiskey 3 months ago
fuck your false idols
anchorsawiegh669 5 months ago
I saw these guys on Friday in the small town of Alma, Arkansas. The building was literally around 110 degrees inside(if not hotter) and the building, which could comfortably hold 60 people had a turn out of what I would guys was 200+. Needless to say, it was chaotic and I loved every minute of it!
9875a 6 months ago 18
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arkcinentertainment 6 months ago
how much symbolism is in this video? surely they didn't put it random things just for the sake of having a video? there's gotta be some deeper meanings in all that's present in the video. i can assume and guess but i won't be fully correct about the symbolism/meaning in the video, i'd like to hear some explanations/ opinions, i know they'll differ from one person to another but that's what shows us for who we are, different yet so similar..
dayoftheVictor 6 months ago
geil!
NormaJean1995 7 months ago
Let me ask a question to any who oppose Christians...you're saying that if a person knows that there is an unspeakable horrible place known as Hell and that the only way a person will not suffer there is to become a servant of Jesus that they should not say anything and let them burn? Let me rephrase that now it's the same as telling a someone not to push a little kid out of the way of a bus flying down a highway or keeping that person from even yelling a warning. It's almost murder.
MTP07SG 7 months ago
@MTP07SG If god is all powerful and all knowing, why would there have to be a hell?? why did he create evil??
did you ever think maybe even if god did exist, that maybe he didnt care, that maybe we were already in hell??
nahor24 7 months ago
@nahor24 Dude that's an excellent question because God is a Holy (set apart/sinless) and just God, sin cannot be in His presence and the price of sin is death. The reason Jesus had to die on the cross in such a brutal way is because that's how bad sin is. Sin is direct opposition toward God. The reason it exists is because God gave all His creation (even angels) free will without free will there is no love...but there is also no hate. God didn't want robots He wants His creation to love Him.
MTP07SG 7 months ago
@nahor24 Also Hell was not created for humans originally it was created for Satan and the demons they were the first of Gods creation to sin and because they could not be in Gods presence because they committed sin He had to make a place to detain them. We live in a fallen world the world was made perfect originally until Adam and Eve sinned and allowed sin to corrupt the earth. So in essence we (human kind) are responsible for everything bad that happens on earth.
MTP07SG 7 months ago
@nahor24 God in His infinite love for us wanted to allow us a chance to be free of sin and be able to come back to Him by giving His son (Jesus) as the perfect sacrifice for our sin. Jesus stood in our place and took the punishment we deserve. So that those who turned their backs on their sin asking God for forgiveness and placing their trust in Jesus that He was sufficient to take away our sin would be seen as sinless in Gods sight and would be able to stand in His presence with no condemnation
MTP07SG 7 months ago
@MTP07SG how do you know that is true??
nahor24 7 months ago
@nahor24 let me first answer your question with a question. How do you know that the space shuttle challenger exploded? How do you know JFK was a president of the united states? what about the civil war? Leonardo Da Vinci? or that the Roman Empire ever even existed. How do you know that any of those things are true? This isn't a trick question it's an obvious answer. Because I could and possibly will have to go into great detail on the next part so I'll let you answer first.
MTP07SG 7 months ago
your answer will determine where I need to begin
MTP07SG 7 months ago
@MTP07SG answer me; how can you be sure anything you just said is true? how can you base your entire life on a thousand year old book? do you really find your life that meaningless? im sure its worth more than that
nahor24 7 months ago
@nahor24 Excellent lets start here. I know that Challenger exploded because the families of those killed and those who were there that day can tell me for a fact they saw it happen. JFK was president because people knew him and can attest to that and his face is on the half dollar. We know there was a civil war because still have old photographs and letters preserved from that time we also find musket balls and other artifacts on famous battle grounds that tell of the battles there.
MTP07SG 7 months ago
@nahor24 Da Vinci existed or we wouldn't have the mona lisa, or all of his primitive schematics of things like helicopters or planes we know because of that which has been preserved. The Roman Empire Existed as we are digging up danarii and other coins with Ceasers face on them we find what's left of Roman architecture the aquaducts attest to the industriousness of those people the colliseum as well. Many Ancient writers (historians non the less) tell us about their culture which is backed up
MTP07SG 7 months ago
in the archeological finds that we unearth. How do we know Jesus was the Son of God? or even existed for that matter? Josephus, Tacitus, Plenny the younger and many other SECULAR historians that lived during that time wrote about Jesus doing things no mortal could do. Jesus tomb is empty He rose from the dead and appeared to over 300 people at once in some cases. Paul a man who killed Christians because he was so devout in Judaism became a Christian after Christ appeared to him.
MTP07SG 7 months ago
@MTP07SG you win the prise for the most effort put into making spam
myaccountissocooler 5 months ago
James Jesus own brother who didn't believe He was anything but a mere magician after the resurrection wrote one of the books in the Bible (James) in which he calls himself a servant of God and the Lord Jesus Christ. Paul was willing to die for Jesus and did even though He was directly opposed at first. That would be like a far left wing democrat willing to die for the position of a far right wing republican it's polar opposite nothing except an extreme life changing event could do this.
MTP07SG 7 months ago
I could go on forever in that direction but lets switch gears to the Bible as a whole. It's 66 books that were written by over 40 different authors spanning over 1500 years, it was written in 3 different languages and it doesn't contradict itself but instead agrees all pointing to Jesus. The Gospels were written within 30 years of Christs death with the exception of John which may have been 40 which for a historian is like gold because that shows the authenticity of it.
MTP07SG 7 months ago
@MTP07SG I remember i learned tht back in sixth grade in my bible class. I was like "no way Christianity is fake"
kesiebiscuit 6 months ago
@kesiebiscuit how much did you research for yourself?
MTP07SG 6 months ago
@MTP07SG a good amount. I do admit i was force fed alot of stuff about the bible and God but tht wasnt good enough for me. I knew i had to find the truth for myself. so i researched.....alot and finally came to the conclusion tht there is a God
kesiebiscuit 6 months ago
fun fact the quaran was written over 5 centuries after their prophet mohammed was dead it was passed by word of mouth that long...ever played the game of telephone? Not to pick on Muslims they're just the easiest example to give with a leader from about the same time. The Bible has the most complete manuscripts of any ancient text and yet is the most burned and banned book in the world. Christians aren't afraid of science and history and archeology because they all point to God.
MTP07SG 7 months ago
to close up my small book I just wrote and answer your question: my life is but a vapor in context of time or eternity why should I live for anything more than He who created me? You say "you happened by chance" based on what has been told to you or maybe through some research that you've done (I applaud the latter). I say continue in your research find the simplest and most likely cause of life mathmatically and scientifically that's what scientists do because it leads to the answer.
MTP07SG 7 months ago
@MTP07SG okay im not sure what youre talking about, but please dont make the assumption that I place all my faith in evolution just becuase i dont believe in any sort of god from the christians description.
I believe in asking uestions, finding things out for yourself. because letting a book rule your life with an "amen" and a "hallelulah" might not be the best descision after all.
I'm not saying youre wrong, but I think you cant be certain of anything.. especially our creation..
nahor24 7 months ago
@nahor24 Dude that is awesome to hear you say that you search for truth through your own research! Keep doing that do not settle till you find the truth based on logic and supporting evidence.
So how much study on the background of the Bible have you done? What do you know of Christians? the stuff you've heard and seen on tv? Cause those most likely aren't Christians they're posers. Christians are about love and sharing the truth no matter the cost.
MTP07SG 7 months ago
Certainty is an odd thing when it comes to faith God requires a certain amount of faith from us but it is by no means a blind faith. What I'm talking about is that you can't put God in a test tube and sense him with your 5 senses. But you can through history, science, archeology, etc. you can see God created the world Jesus was His Son and died then came back to life 3 days later the only religion that makes such a claim because it's true. I would say you should study faith.
MTP07SG 7 months ago
as that and maybe an understandably skewed view of Christianity seem to be the only things holding you back in this area of your search for truth. I'm not going to "try to convert you" that's not my job i'm just going to give you the truth and let you study it for yourself because in the end each man must decide on his own if he accepts or rejects truth. You're wiser than most and more respectable in that you do your own research I'll pray that you find the evidence you need.
MTP07SG 7 months ago
i'm not christian, i don't believe in any religion.
I BELIEVE IN GOD <3
PipeD0d 7 months ago
@PipeD0d 19 You believe that there is one God. Good! Even the demons believe that—and shudder. (james 2:19)
kegslinger 4 months ago
@kegslinger i respect your opinion but, there are some many religions. all of them try to convince that they are right and the other religions are wrong. also such much thing has happened in my life, and all these things gave me lessons and the most important lessos it's never stop to believe in god. this is the most short argument that i can give you. bye ;)
PipeD0d 4 months ago
@luvz2spooj Do you spout of everything you hear from joe rogan you fucking queer. The theory behind dmt being produced in the pineal gland is just about as scientifically accurate as me stating i can shoot unicorns from my dick. Strassman, the guy who wrote the book your referencing from theorized that dmt COULD be the reason for our dreams and post mortem visions. However no evidence or studies have EVER proven that. Also there is only a very small less than ideal amount of dmt in our bodies.
rogerroach91 7 months ago
@luvz2spooj Yes and the creation of those chemicals was merely an accident just like the information that was encoded into our DNA, Look deeper than the Earth and Humans.
DiatonicSoul 7 months ago
Religon is religon. Christianity is an act of faith, seeing is not believing in this case. so Atheists, believe what you want to believe. but I am very much a Christian. there is really no way to convince others that there is a God watching over us at all times. it just means that you have to be a little less ignorant to consider the possibility.
marshandomness 7 months ago
@marshandomness Why is not believing such an ignorant act?
dagerm001 7 months ago
@dagerm001 not believing i dont think is ignorant, but shutting it out and not giving it a chance and downing christians is i think.
marshandomness 7 months ago
@marshandomness I think most Atheists have tried to accept a religion, but were drawn away from it's deceits and the fact that it's worthless. Well, all atheists i know were once religious.
dagerm001 7 months ago
@dagerm001 i suppose, its just the atheists i know really havent givin religion a chance, but u may be right.
marshandomness 7 months ago
Norma Jean and Underoath are both great bands, but I feel wrong listening to them because of their christian-ness. It's weird because some of the best music is completely anti-religion.
CincoDrums 7 months ago
@CincoDrums I think it's because the best music is born of conflict and emotion. Just as though people who struggle to come to terms with being a non-believer surrounded by believers, some Christians likely struggle from the opposite. It is that turmoil within the mind and heart that the best artists are able to tap into to create something that can speak to the hearts of others. And you'll note that throughout human history much of the best art revolves around faith or rejection of it.
Joegreen29 7 months ago 8
@Joegreen29 well spoken
globalchaos1984 2 months ago
@Joegreen29 that is probably the most profound, honest, humble youtube comments ive ever read. you're brilliant. thank you for existing
SlappyGee 2 months ago
That title of the song is a little misleading. Wouldn’t a “Deathbed Atheist” be a Christian who renounces all of their beliefs and converts to atheism right before death? The song should be called “Deathbed Christian”.
Norma Jean please explain - we really want to know!
Leviathan7872 8 months ago
@Leviathan7872 Have u ever thought that maybe this title doesn't describe a moment or a situation but a whole way of life?
condafarti 8 months ago
@Leviathan7872 music, like all art is abstract, its supposed to mean different things to different people, for all we know the song could be about unicorns that defecate muffins. Its not up to us to decipher the meaning or the artist to explain there musing, its simply there to be enjoyed. Christian, Jewish, Islamic, flying spaghetti monster...it doesn't matter, the subject of artist should never be held under a "moral microscope" thus allowing artistic freedom for the artist. thoughts? anyone?
LordNorbermort 8 months ago
@LordNorbermort everything is depend on the artist. If the artist wanna give a symbolic form to his work to describe something then the receiver has to decipher it, its not everytime just to enjoy. Life itself is not about keeping it in one way. Symbolic art is there to play with certain emotions and get exactly through the subconsciousness of the latter. In this way the artist can show his ideas, feelings, whatever that is that cannot show with simple words. I agree for the moral definition...
condafarti 8 months ago
@LordNorbermort ...the artist must be wide and not keep the subject under certain ideologies, but sometimes moral and faith characters can be used like a symbol to play the role of the mediator between the artist and the audience.
condafarti 8 months ago
i am loosing my mind!
condafarti 8 months ago
deffinatly been a fan for awhile dont plan on stopping hopefully you guys dont break up
protestthepromqueen 8 months ago
who cares what they already. Its good. Like it or dont search for this song just to whether or not they are christain. Theyre great to me. Thats all that matters
TheDPrimeau 8 months ago
BURY YOUR FUCKIN!@# HANDS IN THE SAND , I Promise That You Will Never EVER!@# use them on me , !@$%!@#%^!#@%
krat876 9 months ago
<3
rustedempire 9 months ago
ok, im hooked.
illspirit1965 9 months ago
Everyone :) no need in trying to defend Gods name, Its like trying to defend a lion, He doesnt need your protection or anyone to stand up.
ianwilliams12 9 months ago
To try and put this argument to rest, I grew up with some of the guys in Norma Jean and I can tell you with 100% confidence that they do not identify themselves as a Christian band in order to sell more records. Also, to reiterate what Joegreen29 said, a good band is a good band, regardless of religious beliefs. Myself and many of my friends who consider themselves agnostic or even a full fledged atheist loved the hell out of many Christian Bands, like Norma Jean. Zao, Embodyment, etc.
RevWintonDupree 9 months ago
@RevWintonDupree It Is a Christian band they stated it.
colossusx7 8 months ago
what is this song/video about? can some one please tell me!
jesussycar777 9 months ago
The world is such a bad place to live in why do we need to fight. It's pointless when it comes to God he can't be proven or dis proven that's why I don't argue. It's a matter of if you believe or not. Let's just all get along
onelastdance07 9 months ago
@UndeniablyInsaneGuy what are you talking about now?
forerunner06 9 months ago
@UndeniablyInsaneGuy being a "christian band" is an image, and images sell. uptight religious nuts for parents who otherwise wont allow their kids listening to "devil music" suddenly change their minds when the band is supposedly "christian" = more sales. this is especially true for countries with large religious populations such as US.
forerunner06 9 months ago
@forerunner06 a good theory, but i seriously doubt its a solid one.
bradleythebear17 9 months ago
@bradleythebear17 meh, I would say about as solid as "the best metal bands are christians".
forerunner06 9 months ago
@forerunner06 well bands like this and say for instance thrice, the chariot and avenged sevenfold don't label themselves as christian music, they label it according to how the music sounds and less so what the lyrics are about - so parents wouldn't really notice that they're christian unless they read the lyrics and picked them apart, which i doubt is a common activity. i enjoy listening to this music because even if it is christian, which i'm not, they're writing stuff that they mean, you know?
bradleythebear17 9 months ago
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heyporcelain 9 months ago
@forerunner06 This is not true. My parents hated this type of music no matter the Christian label. I listen because I like it. Images are made to sell sure, but some more than others. In the music industry, the least effective label one can have is religion. Every video I watch has Lady Gaga's stupid face plastered behind it- SHE made an image for herself- one that has gained more popularity than any other. I can guarantee you that Norma Jean did not label themselves as religious to make money.
heyporcelain 9 months ago
@UndeniablyInsaneGuy most "christian bands" nowadays just copy the same chugcore that's already been played by hundreds of non-jebusfreaks. and as if any of them follows their so called faith. it's just an act to get more sales. you can be sure that they snort cocaine, get drunk and commit "adultery" in private. yeah there are some good christian artists, but no, the best metal bands are not christians.
forerunner06 9 months ago
Anyone know the meaning of this song? Am I just missing the obvious here?
Doplg 9 months ago
I FUCKING LOVE THIS SONG. =] Stop arguing
RECTmetal 9 months ago
What makes me believe is the fact, that this world is so beautiful. I know it is not an evidence, but evidence shall not define ones faith.
This is how I see it:
What makes most sense? The worlds creation by a massive and completely random explosion, or a creative designer who has made a fantastic artwork. I believe in the last part, and by seeing others love, which is a reflection of Gods grace, that is enough evidence for me. (Btw sorry for being so preachy)
PeterHojlund123 9 months ago
@PeterHojlund123 fuck that. random explosion is more plausible. go preach elsewhere
MapleRuss 9 months ago
I am personally an atheist. And pretty much anti-religion. But a good band is a good band. And judging other people for their faith is stupid.
Joegreen29 10 months ago 65
@Joegreen29 but knowing the meaning behind the song is good too.
ianwilliams12 9 months ago
@ianwilliams12 There's a huge difference between knowing the meaning and agreeing with it. The emotions represented aren't exclusive to some people, or one religion. In the same way that a piece of art, or film can mean one thing to the creator and another to the beholder. Unlike most religious people, I don't look for differences between myself and others. I choose to see the similarities common in all people.
Joegreen29 9 months ago
@Joegreen29 I'm just saying the reason those lyrics are put there is so the artist can express his views and emotions on it. You can take anything any way you want. but sometimes things are meant one way. I'm not trying to start an argument in anyway, i was just saying.
ianwilliams12 9 months ago
@Joegreen29 so im not the only atheist that doesnt judge people for what they believe in :O i thought i was alone. i guess im not
DarkHeartsOfTheBroke 8 months ago
@Joegreen29 I'm exactly the same way, I don't base music on religion or personal beliefs...some of the best metal bands are christian bands or just chritsian members in the band and I listen to the music before I make a choice and when reading up on bands and finding their beliefs has no effect on my opinion of the band
Atreyu1611 7 months ago
@Joegreen29 Same here Bro! good music is good music.
DecoyDesolation 7 months ago
Why don't you see comments like this on satanist band videos?
Because most christians don't venture there to just debate.
But non-christians come here to debate?
I'm tired of religious debates on christian videos. I came here to have security from other band's sketchy lyrics AND ALL I GET TO READ ARE NEGATIVE COMMENTS WHILE I'M LISTENING TO THE FREAKING SONGS
m1sterHANDS 10 months ago
@m1sterHANDS "most christians don't venture there to just debate." - That's the problem. Christians can't take it when they are criticized. They don't want to learn anything.
samehomar1993 10 months ago in playlist Underoath!!!!
@samehomar1993
You missed the point of my comment entirely, but whatever.
m1sterHANDS 10 months ago
this shit is terrible.
i think i've tried listening to this band once a year since i was 14, and everytime i just dont get why they are so loved.
rockadio8710 10 months ago
people are always speaking about christian metal. is there some jew or muslim metal??
TheSevenkiller 10 months ago
mEgAtRoN2495 10 months ago
@TheSevenkiller check out orphaned land for jewish/muslim metal (yes they play both)
derplo1 10 months ago
@derplo1 The Kominas are a Muslim punk band. Check out the song "Sharia Law in the USA" LOL
muslimmetalman 5 months ago
I'm an athiest and I'm not offended at all,I used to get mind fucked about death all the time and now I have a song to listen to when i ponder about it.
thatgraffkid92 10 months ago
When people listen to music, they shoudn't fucking care about what religion the band is! I'm an atheist and I'm listening to this, I think it's good music... sometimes not my favorite lyrics... but still!
mypocketmypocketface 10 months ago 2
favourite song! love love love love love
PoeticHeartCrash 10 months ago
Christians are delusional anyway... But Norma Jean fucks shit up!
Spitfire9995 10 months ago
My wife died (at least for a little while) and came back from drowning, and she saw and told me about things that have sufficiently convinced me that it's very important to trust in God.
MPaulHolmes 10 months ago 15
@MPaulHolmes Sure.
rectifytheblack420 10 months ago
@rectifytheblack420 *plugs ears* lalalalala can't hear it. lalalalala. rectifytheblack... email me if you want specifics. I won't be holding my breath, however, because you are not at all interested in truth. Only in doing whatever you want to do.
MPaulHolmes 10 months ago
@MPaulHolmes That's awesome.
XXXXXEmoXGothX92 10 months ago
@MPaulHolmes God bless you
jesussycar777 9 months ago 9
@jesussycar777 God damn you
globalchaos1984 5 months ago
@globalchaos1984 whats your problem?
jesussycar777 5 months ago
@MPaulHolmes whatd she say? just askin out of curiosity
DatniggaAss 8 months ago
@MPaulHolmes Anecdotal evidence, that is all.
apstenzel07 8 months ago
@MPaulHolmes Visions from near death experiences are the result of a hallucinogen produced in the brain, not God. Sorry.
spatulars 8 months ago
@MPaulHolmes proof?
Yahwehsninja 8 months ago
@MPaulHolmes She was not technically dead then, brain death is death.
globalchaos1984 8 months ago
I'm atheist, but i like good music mothafucka.
thedarkmodem 10 months ago
I started listening to Norma Jean about 5 years ago and I don't really care that they are Christian. Since when did it become an issue what people believe in? Do you like their music? If so, then why complain about their faith? Anyway, I think this video is one of the best I've seen in awhile. It reminds me of Sledgehammer by Peter Gabriel and thats one of the coolest videos ever.
forgottenkitty 10 months ago
@forgottenkitty What you believe defines everything about you.
MPaulHolmes 10 months ago
Stop debate, Start to Listen and Headbang!!
S3RSH 10 months ago 2
I'm not really paying attention to lyrics when i listen music.. i dont care of what they say i love musical part...
Subwheezer 11 months ago
Who gives a flying fuck what religion they are, they make awesome music, they do it right, they do it better than most, bottom line, its music, not a mass, get over yourselves.
ronsmithblahhhh 11 months ago
such a cool video.
followHimnotUs 11 months ago
This song is amazing ♪
sophie1297 11 months ago
is that...Leonardo DiCaprio?
SilverWolfbigbang101 11 months ago
@SilverWolfbigbang101 I'm pretty sure it isn't. But if it was Leonardo, this would have WAY more views.
MrMiniKnowsALot 11 months ago
Religions are the best at the game of cults, GET IT PEOPLE!
think1999 11 months ago