Wankan - Shotokan Karate

[zfeckman2011]

ummmmm are junro katas shotokan? cas i dont see them here



[deek77]

@zfeckman2011 Yes and no...the Junro kata were created by Tetsuhiko Azai for his branch of Shotokan, JKS. They aren't part of the JKA curriculum

[zfeckman2011]

@deek77 ooh rite well im in the JKS not the JKA maybe thats it

[BodomChildBreeder]

guy below me is a wankan himself

[OxAxS]

Horrible what they did to Chotoku Kyan's teachings. This is not traditional karate.

[lilkidrocker]

@OxAxS Ah yes, Chotoku Kyan...the same man who encouraged his students to frequent brothels. Brilliant teachings.

Calm your tits bro.

[sadverrge]

Correct me if I am wrong:

-Is this the "forgotten kata"?

[karate4arab]

great video

[BCCButters711]

Wankan must be one of the shortest kata for those advanced black belt ranks.

[vitorelio]

6 People are Gays who dont know Karate and be Kicked on a Fight

[spieletippser]

FOR WHICH DAN GRADE IS THIS KATA MASTER ???

[xaven1978]

@spieletippser This is Hirokazu Kanazawa, 10th Dan. But who cares about ranks? Look at this technique...

[HitokageProduction]

thx this video rly helped me...osu Kanazawa sensei

[masaqu]

una curiosità: come mai questo kata gode di una notevole considerazione, pur risultando di non elevata difficoltà, anzi, bassa difficoltà?

[michaelwood2]

I got my 1st Dan in Shotokan years back when I was a wee nipper. I've now studied western boxing, I teach Muay Thai (20 years of training) and MMA, have 2 years of Brazillian Jiu Jitsu training and fight MMA. Belts don't mean jack. It's just a western thing so people can show they're (apparently) better than others and as a mark of progression.

It's fine if you can perform a kata, but do you know WHY you are doing all those techniques and what they're for? Answer that and you're learning.

[deek77]

Only one thing I disagree with you on: the belt/sash rank system isn't a western thing, came from the east and it was just meant how far you've progress in learning. But you're right, now it's being used by too many as a means to say "I'm better than you because of my belt." What is western is schools just having students do kata and not eventually explain it.

You mentioned MMA, what are your thoughts on guys like Machida, GSP, and Filho who have karate backgrounds?

[michaelwood2]

Hey Deek77,

Wherever it came from and for whatever reason it was introduced, I agree that waay too many schools use it to fast track black belts and pretend they're better than others. I also agree; learning a bunch of moves without understanding what they're for and why is just learning by numbers.

I'm fine with guys in MMA having Karate backgrounds, such as Machida and GSP; I think what they've done and where they're at speaks for itself! Take what works for you and discard what doesn't!

[deek77]

Cool, thanks for responding.

[pyong69]

@deek77

With all the respect. Originally there were only two belt colors: black for the instructor, and white for the disciple. It's as easy as that.

[deek77]

Very true, no argument there. What I was referring to was that the belt rank system in general is not a western construct. michaelwood2 claimed it the modern rank system was developed by westerners, which I'm sure you know it was Jigoro Kano, then adopted by other arts.

[pyong69]

yep. From the judo we adopted the belts and the dogi.

[arcadius2423]

These days, many instructors are selling belts. I went back to my old shotokan school 10 years after I left. I was sickened to find people wearing brown and purple belt who could not even perform the lower belt Katas with any form or power. My sensei had sold out to selling belts for money, and therefor had subpar students.

During my first run in the school, I was easily winning competitions against black belts as an ORANGE BELT.

BELT RANK DOES NOT MATTER IN THE LONG RUN OF THE MARTIAL ARTIST.

[kyuubifox66]

@arcadius2423 thats right. like bruce lee said... "a belt is only useful to hold your pants" XDDD

[arcadius2423]

I've studied martial arts for 17 years. I officially hold a Blue belt is Shotokan. What makes me any less skilled than a black belt?

The fact that I have studied various styles instead of just one? The fact that I don't know each and every Shotokan Kata? How about the fact that I can perform forms from various styles of Karate and Kung fu? Those that are so dead set that belt matters are only wrapped up in their own belt, and hate thinking that someone lower could be better than them.

[musicismylifebaby]

this is great, I am sooooo glad to have run across it, I am testing for 1st kyu Black, what is the last Kata, after- Gojushiho -Dai, I can't seem to find this one for review. Thanks

[Scorpio1186rs]

@musicismylifebaby Gojushiho -Sho I think :D Hope this is correct

[sanval1a]

Try "Crown of a King"

[WVK23]

Wankan means "Heart of the King". So ive heard

[vitorelio]

@WVK23 royal crown is the name, and this kata is for 6th dan or superior

[Genuinesaint]

It is a kata for close quarter fighting for all grades. It is the 25th of the 25 shotokan katas.

Originally Chinese in origin. 

[darkfire3366]

this is cool im only a blue belt!

[mteehoo1]

i hate this kata.

[lethang303]

wow

[Jirotto]

a great sensei but i am better.

[queenys1]

im a brown belt :)

[negoni08]

Kanazawa is great master Shotokan karate, Wanaka is very original Kata

[Shopaholic4395]

Is this Kanazawa in the video? I dont think you have to be 80 to get 10th Dan because hes not 80. I think..=]

[ShotokanKarateMan1]

thats because this is him when he is young

[Alfonose]

this guy is really old now. This must've been a long time ago

[xhaptic]

it was in 2006 . so he is not that old ...

[anhkhoinguyen]

xhaptic..lol the video was taped in the 80's..not 2006..Uploaded online by someone in 06 doesnt mean it was "produced" in 06 lol and yeah hes not that old, hes around early 60.

[ShotokanKarateMan1]

early 60 more like 98 lol

I should know he is my sensei's sensei

[ShotokanKarateMan1]

in 2006 the video was posted this footige is from 80s at least

[smegzy123]

My highest dan grade is 8th.. hes about 50 something.. is it true you have to be 80 to be atleast a 10th dan ?

[AlphMarco]

u need to be 80 years old to get black belt 10th dan, so he can't be 10th dan.Enjoy, MK, Croatian Karate 2.dan.

[onebigkiss]

WTF the pants keep the pants up, the belt means rank. The guys who say rank doesnt mean anything,mean it doesnt mean anything to them. To us it means fuck you if you dont want rank.

[CaRC1n0g3n]

You sound like you haven't been training for very long. Belt color means absolutely nothing in the long run. Ask any black belt worth his salt and he'll tell you.

It's all about your ability to apply everything you've learned. Not about a piece of cloth you have wrapped around your waist. Doesn't matter if you're 5th Dan or whatever, if you can't apply it, you're going to get your ass kicked.

[TibyBreakdance111]

hey guys....(those that posted comments) what belts do you have...pls answer me

[OblivionRps]

A belt just keeps your pants up. It does not matter neither here nor there. It's what's inside you that counts.

[hallmall]

in the shotokan style are those 29 all the kata existent ? or are there any others for higher ranks on black belt... do you know ?

[LethalGuppy]

there are 26 katas in Shotokan:

5 Heian

3 Tekki

Basic Dan Katas: Bassai-Dai, Jion, Empi, Kanku-Dai, Jitte

Further (hope i dont forget one): Bassai-Sho, Kanku-Sho, Jiin, Hangetsu, Sochin, Nijushiho, Chinte, Gojushiho-Sho, Gojushiho-Dai, Meikyo, Wankan, Gankaku and Unsu

Please don't mind the order, or the way I put them into classes...just the way i was taught...

btw: i know quite the half of them^^

[OblivionRps]

You forgot Taikiokoshodan which is the basic white belt Kata. Also known as Kihon Kata to some. So there's 27 Katas in Shotokan.

[LethalGuppy]

okay...well not everybody (including me) counts them

but if you like so:

Taikyoko Shodan

Taikyoko Nidan

Taikyoko Sandan

[mavin174]

COOL! ^^

[kagomekr]

what rank are u

[Sidney600]

Its not him. but that guy has 10th dan

[CaRC1n0g3n]

How do you know that? Gichin Funakoshi himself was 9th dan.

[CaRC1n0g3n]

Disregard. I just googled it. I was thinking of Nakayama. Interesting that I can't find the original comment I just replied to, which stated that the guy in the video was 10th dan.

There's no way this guy can be 10th dan though. 10th dan = grand master = founder.

[onebigkiss]

If rank doesnt mean anything then why are you guys talking about it.Why did Kano crate them, and why is everyone wearing a belt, its not to keep your pants up. The belt is not for that its obvious it means something. To prove my point let me ask you, who would you rather be taught by. A white belt or a 7th Dan. Utter foolishness.

[CaRC1n0g3n]

What Dan level you are does not matter, it only shows you've taken a test. Asking who I'd rather be taught by does not prove your point, it is flawed logic.

Now to prove MY point, let me ask you this- is it more significant to have a ranking system NOW than it was BEFORE it was created?

He only said "it's there to keep your pants up" metaphorically speaking, because it shows very little significance.

[onebigkiss]

The funny thing is, people have been going back and forth on this forever, belts are part of what we do and if you guys dont care about tradition and culture. If you guys dont respect the masters that have come before you,if you dont wish to honor those who taught you and if you think that rank is not important. Then by all means go and do something other than martial arts. Because those of else who believe in what we do dont need to hear that crap.

[CaRC1n0g3n]

So? We don't respect great martial artists because of rank. We respect them for what they have demonstrated and any advances they may have made, not because they've taken a test and gotten a number. How often do you hear someone marvel over how many notches someone has gotten on their belt?

You're right, belts are a part of what we do, but I guarantee you that any Japanese instructor who has trained mind and body their whole lives will laugh at you or ignore you.

[onebigkiss]

All of my teachers are high ranked, they have been at it their whole lives. They are respected and known world wide they are 5th , 7th and 8th Dans and yeah they care about rank and you my friend have no idea what you are saying. Your rank is a reward of your efforts it speaks of what you know , who you are in the arts,where you come from and what your beliefs are, no its not just a belt,it is part of growing up.

[CaRC1n0g3n]

Really? Who?

[onebigkiss]

Thats not important,I think its safe to say that anyone having rank cares about it, or else they would simply refuse to be promoted. Also you better believe that one who does have a high grade can kick some ass. People dont fight for 10 or 20 years and not learn anything.

[CaRC1n0g3n]

You're right, they don't train for 10 to 20 years without learning anything. I don't refuse promotion. Rank only shows progression. Think about it. A 1kyu who has been training for 10 years can still be on level with a shodan who has been training for 4-5 years. Rank shows you've progressed, but it is not a clear indication of how good you are at martial arts. Look at the matchups in tournaments.

Also to answer your question, Shotokan, 10 years. I don't train to 'fight'. I train to train.

[hoboandjew]

@CaRC1n0g3n 10th dan isnt gained by a test

[slashdehell]

aalllll the besttt