Muhammad Ali: The Social Icon

[Blackjesus3]

amazingggg man i loveee him :D

[IFlick]

They keep very accurate punch stats. Muhammad Ali was punched in the head over 27,000 times. "Parkinsonism" is that term we use because we love this man. Pugilist dementia is a reality. If this can happen to the finest prize fighter of the twentieth century, what's to become of these 22yr old with ears like balloons? I would like anyone to look at Ali's ears. Note: they are like that today! He does not have cauliflower ears!

[everlastking]

@IFlick he dosent hav pugilist dimentia u dick.. he wasnt even hit compared to most fighters of all decades an eras

[IFlick]

What do you have to run that "U dick" shit sport?" What have I said here that's offended you?

[everlastking]

@IFlick im sorry but u shouldnt have thrown out that "pugilist dimentia" at muhammad like dat . has he ever put you down

[IFlick]

@IFlick You retarted cocksucker

[vorjay]

@everlastking maybe the 1964 ali...not the 1974 ali.

[everlastking]

@vorjay botth 70's n 60's ali was barely touched .. those punches that touched him really just pushed him becuz he was !always! fast enough to move with the punches. trust me i got fast eyes plus i know how to box. in real life n in video game. trust me ali never even lost a fight even in the 80's

[vorjay]

@everlastking you seem to like myths. and you know how to fight in video games...well you're an expert than.

Ken Norton broke Ali's jaw in 73. Frazier hit Ali with 400 head punches (according to judges score cards) Ron Lyle out boxed him. Ali had to be taken to the hospital for bleeding kidney's after a few fights because his fighting style exposed him to body punches.  Ali didn't even land one punch on Larry Holmes in his 80 humiliating defeat. Go play Fight Night!

[powmongo]

Frazier spent 3 weeks in a hospital after the first fight with Ali. He went into kidney and renal failure and nearly died, and he won that fight. the 2nd Ali won easily, 3rd he was hurt worse than Frazier even though Frazier's corner stopped it. Norton broke his jaw. So. Ali beat him twice after that. Norton was good defensively but awkward otherwise. Ron Lyle got knocked out by Ali. ali toyed with him. Ali almost knocked shavers out in the 15th rd. way past his prime.

[vorjay]

@powmongo did you even read the comment that post was replying to? That Ali was barely touched....those punches just pushed him and how Ali never even lost a fight in the 80's. It was never saying Frazier was wonderful or Ali was over-rated. Simply if you try and say Ali was invincible you're buying a myth.

[powmongo]

@vorjay No I;m replying to your specific comments that are incorrect or confusing. What is the point mentioning Norton? Why did you say Ron Lyle outboxed Ali when Ali knocked him out? Or why did you mention Shavers hurt him when Ali hurt shavers in the end of the fight? Ali lost twice in the 80's to Holmes and Burbick. Read Mark Kram's Ghosts of Manila. Very good book. Kram doesn't give in to hero worship of Ali but evaluates him as a fighter and critisizes some of his actions outside the ring.

[vorjay]

@powmongo because he said no one can touch Ali you fucking retard...and I was pointed out that people did in fact touch him. Ron Lyle was winning on points (because he was outboxing him) until Ali came back and the ref stopped the fight. Shavers hurt Ali a few times in there fight I WAS USING EXAMPLES OF HOW PEOPLE DID HURT HIM. GO FUCK YOURSELF YOU IDIOT!

[powmongo]

@vorjay Oh ok. I see you are incapable of replying with anything intelligent to say. If you leave remarks on an open forum then back them up without getting offended. I don't care who you were responding too your responses lack any evidence or weight and is only your opinion. So you can name the time and place and I'll kick your ass in. I've coached 6 national champions and 2 olympians. Am I an idoit no. butt you are. SO GO FUCK YOURSELF OR GROW UP.

[vorjay]

@powmongo lol name a time and place and you're going to kick my ass?....than you drop your "credentials".

At first  I thought you were just some know it all trying to butt into a conversation you were not paying attention too....now I know you're just some loser with little person syndrome and need to live your life through your boxing heroes. When someones says punches never hurt Ali they just "pushed" him back and I sight examples...than you come in like a know it all...

[powmongo]

@vorjay who is the one who started name calling and being obscene. In part my respnses agreed with you. but not about lyle or muhammad going to the hospital several times as you said with kidney trouble. Only time he urinated blood was after the 3rd fight with frazier. Ali did not get outboxed by Lyle. Ali toyed with him. Lyle only did what Ali let him. the fight was dull until the knockout. Your responses come off as if Ali was bad or something. Of course Ali got hit every boxer does.

[vorjay]

@powmongo George Chuvalo put Ali in the hostpital with bleeding kidneys (which would make you urinate blood) and even Larry Holmes who was not only Ali's sparring partner but with him many times on his fights stated he didn't hit Ali in the kidneys because he remembered all the "times" Ali would urinate blood. It was very well known that Ali took alot of punishment in his kidney's because of his unorthodox style which sometimes exposed his torso. I fell sorry for the guys you coach...

[powmongo]

@vorjay No chuvalo didn't. Ali was evaluated several times but there is no record anywhere of Ali sustaining damage to the kidney's before the 3rd fight with Frazier. Go find me a source. Your the one trying to sound like a know it all, and my athletes are champions. ONCE AGAIN READ GHOSTS OF MANILA THEN GET BACK TO ME.

[vorjay]

@powmongo You're relying on one book....the fact is Ali had to goto hospital many times. Listen to his own god damn doctor Ferdie Pacheco (not earnie) read Muhammad Ali: A View from the Corner by Ferdie Pacheco his fucking doctor YOU CLOWN!

[powmongo]

@vorjay you can't back it up. Ali fought chuvalo march 29th 1966. less than six weeks later Ali fought Henry Cooper again. do you think that would happen if he had damaged kidney's? No. Chuvalo's face was carved into a filet and one only 1 round on the judges cards. And I also agree that later in his career Ferdie did advise ali to quit especially after the fight in manila. Your not telling me anything i don't already know. So whose the clown asshole?

[vorjay]

@powmongo ...you're idiot. He was pissing blood several times after fights....its well documented by his doctors and the people in his entourage. You're little mind just seems to think bleeding kidneys is some intensive care like problem in which he just couldn't fight for MONTHS afterwards. ...it's actually not un-common in boxing for fighters excessively hit in the kidneys to piss urine....like Ali. IF you were a real world championship level coach you would know that.

[powmongo]

@vorjay Your the idiot for not backing anything you say up. Ali's doctors mention Ali's condition late in his career I defy you to cite a source from Angelo Dundee or Ferdie Pacheco that Ali was seriously hurt in 60's.Do you know what the mandatory waiting period is boxing comissions now make fighters take if they are knocked out or pass urine in the blood? I also don't coach boxing but obviously know more than you. Are you going to state facts or conyinue to resort to name calling?

[vorjay]

@powmongo people only bring up the Frazier fight because it was the most covered of all of his post fights. Most injures aren't known unless you research them. Ali damaged his hands so bad his Doctor (Pacheco) had to inject Novocain into his hands....did you know that one? Or...how about Frazier being almost completely blind in his left eye his entire career. You're a world championship level coach...World Champion loser is what you are.

[powmongo]

@vorjay You couldn't be more wrong. Ali didn't damage his hands. the 3 year layoff of not fighting and then after returning to the ring his hands hurt. Pacheco says this in numerous books and the documentary the whole story. I also don't buy Frazier was blind in one eye. If he was he was very stupid. "World Champion Loser" Wow you come up with that all by yourself. Are you 10? Losers don't produce good atlhetes dip shit.

[vorjay]

@powmongo dude you says frazier wasn't partial blind is a lie...you don't know what you'r talking about. Even fucking mayweather has bad hands due to his fighting style. If you hit a guy as many times as Ali and don't knock them out or takes to the 11, 12 or 15 round you're going to have very damaged hands....YOU ARE A KNOW IT ALL!

[powmongo]

@vorjay There is nothing or no one that says Ali's hands were damaged because of his fighting style. Ferdie Pacheco states several times in Thomas Hauser's biography and in the Doc the whole Story that ali's hands developed calcium deposits in his hands due to the long layoff then flury of activity in his comeback. It was due to the layoff. not his style. I doubt Frazier was partially blind during most of his career and so do others. You start trivia with me then call me a know it all? Wow.

[vorjay]

@powmongo dude...I'm done. You know it all...you're right. Ali was god on earth. He was just playing possum in his Ron Lyle fight. You can hit a guy a few hundred times in the face a night and not damage your hands. Frazier and his Trainer were very famously dishonest people and lied about Frazier being partially blind in one eye, and more importantly you can get hit by a guy like Chuvalo that many times in the kidneys and not piss urine (even though Chuvalo biographers say Ali did go).

[powmongo]

@vorjay don't think Ali was god on earth. chuvalo's remarks about Ali's kidneys are unfounded and forgets the incredible damage Ali did to his face. Ali fights again right after the chuvalo fight. Frazier is still very angry at ali and has said some things to build himself up. the eye I doubt. Read Ghosts of Manila. Frazier has a right to be angry with Ali but he goes to far. Frazier lost to Ali twice but inflicted serious damage more so than any other fighter ali faced.

[vorjay]

@powmongo You don't even know what the term "out boxing" means and you come with some bullshit that you coached champions....someone secure with there coaching wouldn't need to come onto the internet and get into a "I know more than you" contest with someone they felt didn't know what they were talking about. All you have to do is a watch a documentary and hear from Ali doctor Earnie Pacheco to know how much punishment Ali received.

[powmongo]

@vorjay No you moron did you see where i suggested you read ghosts of Manila? The author was with muhammad after many of his fights and when he was receiving treatment for his current condition. It goes into great detail about muhammad's medical problems today. I coach at the sorinex building with athletes arena. look us up. I have coached who I say i have and no far more about the body and sports conditioning than you.

[everlastking]

@vorjay i have to c the lyle fight . ill get back to u on dat

[vorjay]

@everlastking Earnie Shavers almost knocked him out also....Ali himself admitted it.

[everlastking]

@vorjay botth 70's n 60's ali was barely touched .. those punches that touched him really just pushed him becuz he was !always! fast enough to move with the punches. trust me i got fast eyes plus i know how to box. in real life n in video game. trust me ali never even lost a fight even in the 80's

[communipaw2009]

I LOVE MY RACE

[sjamil316]

3:39-4:02 that's why he's the greatest of all time

[communipaw2009]

YES HE IS