This strategy is quite off..normal timing should be 6:20 twilight council, 7:30 6 more gateways, 8:30 robotics, warp in stalkers, 9:30 Warp prism
also, the +1 attack should be started even before the warpgate research and chrono boosted non-stop. With this BO, you will attack your opponent at 9:30 with nice amount of army with blink and +2 attack. If you attack later, he can make some infestors and just kill you.
@shootingmen I'm a protoss player who uses this strat regularly. Mutaling with a few infestors counters this well. Actually the composition (Roach/Hydra/Infestor) in the video wasn't bad also.
So this is prolly a stupid question lol, but Im pretty new to this game..Im just wondering what the numbers infront of the structures mean? (build order)
@oItsMuffinTimeo It's the supply of your army. Because skill level dictates build time (good players will have building A out at 2:30, while weaker players will have it out at 3:30), and because each game is unpredictable, timing buildings based on supply is the best way to judge when you should be doing certain things. Max supply is determined by your supply depots/pylons/overlords and is found in the top right of your screen.
@oItsMuffinTimeo number of units available =D 10 building means 10 workers...then build that building... or 42 building means you have 42 number of units
Force is the classiest person on youtube. Whenever anyone (usually a troll) yells at him or others he will calmly point out why they are wrong. He obviously is at peace with himself and this is something to be admired.
I just started a game determined to play this strat, even if it meant I would die due to bad scouting :P Was PvP and coincidently on the same map as the replay, was a good win 4 me. Think I'll give it some more practice though, thanks for the replay!
@XiangYuGe and what you do is " Hey I suck in Starcraft 2 and I come to watch good replays and commentaries and have to take my frustration out with a retarded comment, expecting that professional players will come see me and recruit me" Oh btw Force has the greatest commentaries and helped my game a lot.
You think you can get away with another retarded post by erasing it?
Here it is, from my inbox:
"@killazerg1 yeah I know this is you force, you know, its kinda sad you post stuff on your own videos then reply to it yourself... "
Are you really gonna make yourself look dumber by claiming to know the identity of an anonymous poster (myself) without really knowing? I guess you're stupid enough to think if you erase it, it never happened
force, how did the toss player know that the early roach pressure was coming(cause building 4 cannons in definitely not standard, atleast to my knowledge) is it assumed if he went pool first, or was it just that he got lucky??
@Linkmarth he sent a scout probe into the zergs main at 2:00 and got killed by 7 roaches then he threw up the cannons. And 4 cannons is not standard lol
@XiangYuGe im too lazy to go on teamliquid then find a build and then find a replay with that build, takes at least 30-45 minutes to do the whole process. If you like to waste your time good for you, i might be lazy but smart enough to value the time.
Hey Force, is there a reason why he put only non-pylon buildings on that wall and not a pylon for later to be killed? And wouldn't it be better to kill the forge (while no upgrades in progress obviously)? To keep the tech for stalkers/sentries i mean. I guess it makes little to none difference as it is remade quickly if not already made by the time the first core is destroyed ... Great video as always Force! What happens in Vegas, stays in Vegas.
@Titahne pylons get killed too easily and they affect your supply, you use the non-pylon buildings cause they are bigger also, blocks off more. as for the cyber core...its just preference it doesnt matter.
@Titahne those buildings have more hp than the pylon so it would be harder for the roaches to kill. and usually the forge is the building to kill but in this case we need the +2 attack. as long as u remember to remake the buildings its okay
@XiangYuGe lol, "HEY GUYS I'M XIANGCOCKLICKER, I GO TROLL YOUTUBE VIDEOS ABOUT PEOPLE WHO HAVE LARGER DICKS THEN ME BECAUSE IT MAKES ME FEEL GOOD. YAY!"
@XiangYuGe I for one doesn't go on the teamliquid forum ALL DAY and read the epicly long text of the strategy. The reason I subbed to Force is exactly for this. He does all the work /prep and all I need to do is listen and watch.
@KaritoBandito559 You usually want attack upgrades because of the possibility of a switch into roach. One may think with the high attack speed of Hydras that armor would be better but it is too easily defeated by a transition into armored roaches, Plus if you get zealots they get extra benefit from the attack upgrade because of their 2 attacks. Zealot + Stalker + Sentry is pretty good against Hydras because if you FF your zealots can just sit there and do good DPS. :)
i love how commentators like force dont get mad at people like @XiangYuGe, ya these are from team liquids site so what i dont think force ever claimed to come up with any of these strats
I agree with all comments regarding XiangYuGe... douche! If he said that to your face, I would back you if you smacked him! ForceSC2Strategy is great =D
@XiangYuGe You are by far the worst human being I have ever had the misfortune to meet. Please crawl back into w/e hole you came out of and stop posting on Youtube.
I do visit TL from time to time looking to see if any good strats are being discussed. However, I always credit and link to the thread when I do (take a look at the last T strat 3 reaper tvt open as an example). This was simply a replay I pulled from online and discissed.
If you have a thread for a simular strategy feel free to email me with a link and ill be glad to take a look and possibly cover it in a future Wednesday toss start video!
@XiangYuGe ....yea but alot of us dont go to TL that often...you can say the same thing about all casters " hey im day9 i went to MLG.com and got a replay and said what already happend" shut up dude
The Z player had the right idea in terms of countering this build, but went too roach heavy. He needed more Hydras and to micro away his infestors after they dropped their fungals so that they could live for another fight. Finally, it seems like I say this in every XvZ strategy video, but that's because it matters: CREEP SPREAD! Roach/Hydra vs. Blink Stalkers is a battle of concaves, and creep makes your units so much faster and helps so much in getting that strong concave.
Very good strategy. I use this most of the time for my big map, long spawn games and for smaller maps I go forge FE stargate into voidray/phoenix harass.
This strategy is quite off..normal timing should be 6:20 twilight council, 7:30 6 more gateways, 8:30 robotics, warp in stalkers, 9:30 Warp prism
also, the +1 attack should be started even before the warpgate research and chrono boosted non-stop. With this BO, you will attack your opponent at 9:30 with nice amount of army with blink and +2 attack. If you attack later, he can make some infestors and just kill you.
wwwSmartLadyCz 2 weeks ago
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DavinCastleberry440 1 month ago
Can they still 6 pool your ass? :/
ShamamalamaSama 1 month ago
His macro at the end got bad. If he would have stayed productive it would have been more terrifying.
Sploogface 1 month ago
@Sploogface No he cut production for a greater army.
Revolutionarily1 1 month ago
how do i conter this?
shootingmen 3 months ago
@shootingmen I'm a protoss player who uses this strat regularly. Mutaling with a few infestors counters this well. Actually the composition (Roach/Hydra/Infestor) in the video wasn't bad also.
ocokgezen 2 weeks ago
How to repeat and repeat the queue like the probe at 1:01?
HONLOLDOTA 5 months ago
i die to this all the time. no idea what to do
Proteinisnice 6 months ago
I see zergs go for forge fast expos alot to force =D
MakariousFarag2 6 months ago
why did the queen @ 6:03 did not attack the observer? Do the overlords detect observers?
InfestedChris 7 months ago in playlist Protoss Strategy
@InfestedChris Overseers are the ones that can detect. If the zerg really wanted to kill the obs he could've fungal growth it using the infestors.
gimplar 7 months ago
@InfestedChris overlords with detection? this aint sc1 lol
Startnumber5 7 months ago
You're missing the cyber core in the descriptions BO, force.
LightSpike2010 7 months ago 2
Anyone else keep clicking the minimap and accidentally pausing the vid? Damn tiredness.
sypher7 7 months ago in playlist Protoss Strategy
subbed , iam noob and you help, keep up
krisakias 7 months ago
btw good video keep up the good work subbed:D
Beserker333 7 months ago
question when do u get 3/4th gas?
Beserker333 7 months ago
@XiangYuGe Your mom called me to tell you you're late for your faggotry lessons.
wolf56404 8 months ago
So this is prolly a stupid question lol, but Im pretty new to this game..Im just wondering what the numbers infront of the structures mean? (build order)
oItsMuffinTimeo 8 months ago
@oItsMuffinTimeo It's the supply of your army. Because skill level dictates build time (good players will have building A out at 2:30, while weaker players will have it out at 3:30), and because each game is unpredictable, timing buildings based on supply is the best way to judge when you should be doing certain things. Max supply is determined by your supply depots/pylons/overlords and is found in the top right of your screen.
Zombies4Charity 7 months ago
@oItsMuffinTimeo number of units available =D 10 building means 10 workers...then build that building... or 42 building means you have 42 number of units
leadandflow 7 months ago
@leadandflow Oh ok I gotcha thanks much!
oItsMuffinTimeo 7 months ago
Force is the classiest person on youtube. Whenever anyone (usually a troll) yells at him or others he will calmly point out why they are wrong. He obviously is at peace with himself and this is something to be admired.
SuperTofu93 8 months ago 3
What's about a 6 pool rush ?
xZyrux 8 months ago
I just started a game determined to play this strat, even if it meant I would die due to bad scouting :P Was PvP and coincidently on the same map as the replay, was a good win 4 me. Think I'll give it some more practice though, thanks for the replay!
JamesR404 8 months ago
U said that on almost every PvZ, the zerg wud go for a forge fast eo
missthemissles 8 months ago 2
@XiangYuGe I love how you look up his video specifically and then post crap about it...
Sc2mapper117 8 months ago
can i use forge fe against non zerg? it seems most strats of a Forge FE are only against zerg....
jorDzrc 8 months ago
@XiangYuGe i like it that he does that then and that he is a prick. alot of people like it that he is a prick then.
66thousand people like it that he is a prick like that
strikermovies4u 8 months ago
as a zerg how would i deal with this??
bigeasy171717 8 months ago
@bigeasy171717 zling roach festor
ItalianGanksta 8 months ago
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@XiangYuGe fuck you cunt faggot
bigeasy171717 8 months ago
@XiangYuGe shut up u couldent do any better douche
makuta101937 8 months ago
at 1:46 u said almost every ZERG player gos 4 a forge FE
makuta101937 8 months ago
@XiangYuGe douche
timmchin 8 months ago
1:47 ''I almost always see the zerg player going for a forge fast expand''.....? oh well i understand... we all make mistakes :)
Zeratul897 8 months ago
@XiangYuGe yes
Wipeinc 8 months ago
@XiangYuGe "HEY! I'M A PRICK"
prick
cdcdx2 8 months ago 3
@XiangYuGe get a life
shugamubla 8 months ago
1:48 nice didn't know zerg could FFE ^^
SandmonkeyRabbit 8 months ago
@XiangYuGe haha prik
BlockyAppReviews 8 months ago
@XiangYuGe
Can you do a better job? (No.) So shut the fuck up.
macro312 8 months ago
he went 2 robo lol
zillon85 8 months ago
Hey Force! Love the content - great work! Have fun in Vegas ;)
nickoli000 8 months ago
@XiangYuGe Umad bro?
whizzrinaldo 8 months ago 4
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@XiangYuGe This is what happens when you give those Chinese WOW gold farmers work breaks
noobsonlypls 10 hours ago
lmfao XD
Bob30737 8 months ago
@XiangYuGe Dumb ass
TenchiSaWaDa 8 months ago
@XiangYuGe and what you do is " Hey I suck in Starcraft 2 and I come to watch good replays and commentaries and have to take my frustration out with a retarded comment, expecting that professional players will come see me and recruit me" Oh btw Force has the greatest commentaries and helped my game a lot.
briank2025 8 months ago
@XiangYuGe HEY EVERYONE IN XIANGYUGE IM A TROLL
grimcoyotereaper 8 months ago
@XiangYuGe
You think you can get away with another retarded post by erasing it?
Here it is, from my inbox:
"@killazerg1 yeah I know this is you force, you know, its kinda sad you post stuff on your own videos then reply to it yourself... "
Are you really gonna make yourself look dumber by claiming to know the identity of an anonymous poster (myself) without really knowing? I guess you're stupid enough to think if you erase it, it never happened
Keep us laughing with more posts idiot
killazerg1 8 months ago 9
@XiangYuGe umad bro?
Zman1280 8 months ago
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@lalo019 Which husky?
SukmiGunz 8 months ago
@lalo19 which husky?
SukmiGunz 8 months ago
FORCE and HUSKY should team up in 2v2 sometime...
lalo019 8 months ago
i luv how force can like verbably punch trolls in the face =P
1990Freddiemercury 8 months ago
@XiangYuGe you're a douche, you know that? only force has the restrain to respond to people like you in such a calm manner. go back to your sad life.
Sh4d0wst3p 8 months ago
force, how did the toss player know that the early roach pressure was coming(cause building 4 cannons in definitely not standard, atleast to my knowledge) is it assumed if he went pool first, or was it just that he got lucky??
Linkmarth 8 months ago
@Linkmarth he sent a scout probe into the zergs main at 2:00 and got killed by 7 roaches then he threw up the cannons. And 4 cannons is not standard lol
HugoStiglitz373 8 months ago
@Linkmarth Most of the time Zerg players really want to punish your FFE. Sometimes they double expand in response, but they have to do something.
stratoplayer 8 months ago
Straight up 2 base 8-gate is better then this.
dakewlg 8 months ago
@XiangYuGe im too lazy to go on teamliquid then find a build and then find a replay with that build, takes at least 30-45 minutes to do the whole process. If you like to waste your time good for you, i might be lazy but smart enough to value the time.
kroooassant 8 months ago
@XiangYuGe I suppose you KNOW your being a douche bag right?
TheHelghastHunter 8 months ago
@XiangYuGe lol you don't have a life or friends
ShinobiSusuke 8 months ago
@XiangYuGe CUm AT me RETARD
Trikk1Nikk1 8 months ago
Hey Force, is there a reason why he put only non-pylon buildings on that wall and not a pylon for later to be killed? And wouldn't it be better to kill the forge (while no upgrades in progress obviously)? To keep the tech for stalkers/sentries i mean. I guess it makes little to none difference as it is remade quickly if not already made by the time the first core is destroyed ... Great video as always Force! What happens in Vegas, stays in Vegas.
Titahne 8 months ago
@Titahne pylons get killed too easily and they affect your supply, you use the non-pylon buildings cause they are bigger also, blocks off more. as for the cyber core...its just preference it doesnt matter.
kurosakibankai 8 months ago
@Titahne those buildings have more hp than the pylon so it would be harder for the roaches to kill. and usually the forge is the building to kill but in this case we need the +2 attack. as long as u remember to remake the buildings its okay
HugoStiglitz373 8 months ago
@XiangYuGe HEY GUYS IM XIANYU GE, I HAVE NOTHING TO DO EXCEPT TYPE IN ALL CAPS AND BE A FAG.
TheMuphinGuyy 8 months ago 8
@XiangYuGe lol virgin.
larukulunaseas 8 months ago 3
@XiangYuGe lol, "HEY GUYS I'M XIANGCOCKLICKER, I GO TROLL YOUTUBE VIDEOS ABOUT PEOPLE WHO HAVE LARGER DICKS THEN ME BECAUSE IT MAKES ME FEEL GOOD. YAY!"
prick
LowQualityGaming 8 months ago 5
@XiangYuGe I for one doesn't go on the teamliquid forum ALL DAY and read the epicly long text of the strategy. The reason I subbed to Force is exactly for this. He does all the work /prep and all I need to do is listen and watch.
TTChaxo 8 months ago
Would you go Wepons or Armor upgrades when going against Hydralisk without a Collosus?
KaritoBandito559 8 months ago
@KaritoBandito559 You usually want attack upgrades because of the possibility of a switch into roach. One may think with the high attack speed of Hydras that armor would be better but it is too easily defeated by a transition into armored roaches, Plus if you get zealots they get extra benefit from the attack upgrade because of their 2 attacks. Zealot + Stalker + Sentry is pretty good against Hydras because if you FF your zealots can just sit there and do good DPS. :)
Falcon896Punch 8 months ago
just hatin that life eh?
BobbyHodgeHD 8 months ago
@XiangYuGe hey buddy, hows it feel to get owned by a genuinely nice and helpfull person, everything your not really ^^
BobbyHodgeHD 8 months ago
i love how commentators like force dont get mad at people like @XiangYuGe, ya these are from team liquids site so what i dont think force ever claimed to come up with any of these strats
SC2TossGuy 8 months ago
@XiangYuGe kekekekek
xm8690 8 months ago
@XiangYuGe This is what happens when you give those Chinese WOW gold farmers work breaks
noobsonlypls 8 months ago 2
@noobsonlypls that was hilarious but i feel so bad for laughing at it.
ironblood27 8 months ago
@noobsonlypls LOL good one broseph
Falcon896Punch 8 months ago
@XiangYuGe UMAD BRO? Fuckers
usaruler4567 8 months ago
@XiangYuGe you're a retard.
TeddyStarcraft 8 months ago
@PhsycoBean umadyo?
bman462 8 months ago
@XiangYuGe Lol.."im gunna troll force today"..*momments later*.."everyone hates me now. FUUUUUUU"
pnoiiboii 8 months ago 2
I agree with all comments regarding XiangYuGe... douche! If he said that to your face, I would back you if you smacked him! ForceSC2Strategy is great =D
leadandflow 8 months ago
@XiangYuGe u dick
HoroSc0pe 8 months ago
@XiangYuGe awww some one had a bad day
XDDavezXD 8 months ago
@XiangYuGe the only dumb prick here is u.
0kazaki 8 months ago
@XiangYuGe i dont see you making videos...
SC2Slyphen 8 months ago
@XiangYuGe You are by far the worst human being I have ever had the misfortune to meet. Please crawl back into w/e hole you came out of and stop posting on Youtube.
navrozlal 8 months ago 2
finally... another protoss strat... im sick of me four gate
firehidrent56 8 months ago
Heya!
I do visit TL from time to time looking to see if any good strats are being discussed. However, I always credit and link to the thread when I do (take a look at the last T strat 3 reaper tvt open as an example). This was simply a replay I pulled from online and discissed.
If you have a thread for a simular strategy feel free to email me with a link and ill be glad to take a look and possibly cover it in a future Wednesday toss start video!
Force@forcestrategygaming . com
ForceSC2strategy 8 months ago 129
@ForceSC2strategy You are amazing force. haters gonna hate!
ironblood27 8 months ago
@ForceSC2strategy Force knows how to kill 'em with kindness. :D
boomerang342126 8 months ago 4
@ForceSC2strategy After reading your comment, i could FEEL the need of Xiang to just punch you. I love it. Kill 'em with kindness.
TheHelghastHunter 8 months ago
@ForceSC2strategy Kill 'em with kindness, Force! :D
Adeon55 8 months ago 4
@XiangYuGe lol u mad. Go back to Yu-Gi-Oh bro, where the real strategy lives!!
joerogers11155 8 months ago
@XiangYuGe ....yea but alot of us dont go to TL that often...you can say the same thing about all casters " hey im day9 i went to MLG.com and got a replay and said what already happend" shut up dude
MagStarcraft 8 months ago
@MagStarcraft hes a just a fuckin troll
...just an idiot
ComAntNeLib 8 months ago
@XiangYuGe ye cause i hate assholes like you
if you don't like to watch this guy why won't you go get raped at ed's house again?
ComAntNeLib 8 months ago
@XiangYuGe go fuck yourself if you dont like why even watch?
ComAntNeLib 8 months ago
SO MAD BRO
joerogers11155 8 months ago
@joerogers11155 lawl
theamazingfletch 8 months ago
@XiangYuGe You Mad Bro?
theamazingfletch 8 months ago
HF IN VEGAS FORCE!!! <3<3
madab1tch 8 months ago
@madab1tch agreed
ComAntNeLib 8 months ago
@XiangYuGe
Are you retarded, sir?
killazerg1 8 months ago 162
@killazerg1 thats not really a valid question. he IS a retard
daydahlus 8 months ago
1:49 "i almost always see the ZERG player go for a forge FE"
hower4o 8 months ago 16
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cryteeek 8 months ago
1:47 i almost always see the zerg go for a forge fast expand
wait what?
oz2973 8 months ago 2
@oz2973
Zerg Forge FE is so Overpowered...
lassefan 8 months ago
The Z player had the right idea in terms of countering this build, but went too roach heavy. He needed more Hydras and to micro away his infestors after they dropped their fungals so that they could live for another fight. Finally, it seems like I say this in every XvZ strategy video, but that's because it matters: CREEP SPREAD! Roach/Hydra vs. Blink Stalkers is a battle of concaves, and creep makes your units so much faster and helps so much in getting that strong concave.
XCodes 8 months ago 2
@XCodes This is a great comment. Almost everything I was thinking. Thumbs it up for ya!
bubba18sar 8 months ago
it feels like i'm the only person in the whole world who doesn't have a computer that can handle 720p -_-
JOBOB335 8 months ago
@JOBOB335 Try 1080p.
PlasticDoosh 8 months ago
@JOBOB335 bro, derez sum shit you can download onto yo' pc that lets you watch the videos in higher QUALITY!!!!
lolatmyaccounts 8 months ago
@lolatmyaccounts sounds like a virus
JOBOB335 8 months ago
Nice :D
Plutytutts 8 months ago
Mid on the video i got my 1080p :D
Xdaze007X 8 months ago
1080p for pros
stuurhuis69 8 months ago
Very good strategy. I use this most of the time for my big map, long spawn games and for smaller maps I go forge FE stargate into voidray/phoenix harass.
lordshotgun 8 months ago
480 = good enough :D
coolcatbad40 8 months ago
oh great now im gonna never win vs toss.....
oIIBLACKOUTIIo 8 months ago
@oIIBLACKOUTIIo how come?
romanphoenix999 8 months ago
480 :(
Moreau1212 8 months ago
Btw theres 480p if u dont like 240p
FuriousDot213 8 months ago
Wow for the first time I am in top 5 comments... sooo cool...
Well anyway... FORCE I LOVE UUUU, hope u will enjoy in LV...
darkmanXrocks 8 months ago
anyone else seeing bad quality?
afreakenracoon 8 months ago
hai bros so liek first uhh comment wow
IdleSway 8 months ago
@IdleSway Shut up
fenwick97 8 months ago
@IdleSway liek no sheit u srsly srsly? liek srslei waouw
shitorishimashta 8 months ago
@shitorishimashta liek i think so bro man this is crazzzy
IdleSway 8 months ago