Note how they say " What if we told you... ". They dont actually say Ferrari gets their magneride from GM. Also note how they say " Cadillac PIONEERED the magneride system " They dont say at any point here that GM made it because infact... They didnt. This whole video is built to fire up under american misconceptions and let the fanboys spin stories. GM never made the god damn Magneride.
Its a russian patent from the 1940s used alot in heavy industry.
-Developed for cars by a company operating out of Bejing China. One of many hundreds of GM subcontractors but NOT made by GM itself. And even if it was... Does it really have to get THIS nerdy ? Do americans REALLY need to dive into iron particles in suspension fluid inorder to find something positive with US cars ? Is there really nothing else to get excited over ?
This is like when GM fanboys claimed ownership of Brembo and made a point out of using the same brakes as Ferrari.
Im gonna guess you dont have any info to contest this, Just your standard desperate need to discredit me personally. Well this isnt MY opinion. Im quoting a very professional magazine here that did their research. Go bother someone else now.
@Janusha Again you're so pathetic you always pretend to have "done research" and have sources to back you up and you never do this is no different than any of your other tirades. You've succeeded in becoming one of the most infamous trolls on this website congratuations everyone is familiar with your screename as that clinically phychaotic troll that refuses to stop trolling on car videos.
This is no different you're plain wrong on this topic like usual. Your name is mud on car videos
Im gonna guess you dont have any info to contest this, Just your standard desperate need to discredit me personally. Well this isnt MY opinion. Im quoting a very professional magazine here that did their research. Go bother someone else now.
Yes and now they use that miniscule detail. God damn brake fluid that they didnt even make themselves and try to blow that up to such a degree that now, they are better than Ferrari. Is there no shame? At what point does it EVER get embarrassing for these people.
@V8Supercar1 it's irrelevant to the people who are buying it, you can't tell me realistically you could get a zr-1 round that track in that time, you'd have to have balls of steel to push that thing that fast around any track. thus it's irrelevant, performance is one thing...being able to harness it is a whole other game, that's where germany and ferrari will always win. end of story.
This is bullshit mediahype. Audi has their own magneride-system. Ferrari would never pick it out of a god damn GM as they want you to believe. This kind of advertisement is ment for the dumbest of the dumb people that will never question any opportunity to wave the flag.
I have one of these Cadillacs and let me tell you it is just phenomenal. I have owned Jaguars, Porsche, Mercedes, BMW and Cadillacs and Lincolns... and more. But these latest Cadillacs are just incredible performers. I am gladand proud to see the American Standard of the world, return.
@babypleasedontgo100 sorry to double post but the reason i said cts-v 458 n what not is because the commercial show the 458 in the rear view mirror lol i just kinda laughed at that. and that 458 would destroy a zr-1 with 2 medium experienced drivers at the wheel. any car guy should know that the zr-1 is so tail happy you'd kill yourself in it if you tried to drive it at it's limits. and a nurburgring specialist is not a medium experienced driver so that 7:22 is irrelevant, it also did a 7:38
@mansfieldcanada: The Nurburgring run in the ZR1 isn't irrelevant. Because the whole point of it is to show what the car is capable of achieving. Not to try and show its some easy to drive car. And if a medium driver can't keep a car on the track that offers traction control, then that medium has no business even being on the track.
@mansfieldcanada The cts-v never claimed to be faster around the nur than the 458...If you are going to make that argument compare price as-well. Compare the Zr1 to the 458....Way cheaper, way faster. Zr1 Nurburgring time...7:22.4.
@babypleasedontgo100 The 'Ring is every Z06/ZR1 fanboy's excuse of it being faster than anything else. Take a look at other tracks too before stating that it's the fastest within it's price range. Not trying to start an argument or anything so don't burst out.
Sure Caddy was involved since the development stage of the suspension setup but they are hardly solely responsible. GM should also thank God that the company that developed this system first was right next door in Troy Michigan. Delphi was initially a part of GM in the beginning but branched out independently and was renamed. The funny thing is that although the system itself was first developed by Delphi, some other company owns the rights to it. Which is why it exists in cars outside of GM.
This commercial is misleading. First of all, Cadillac makes it sound like MagneRide was exclusively developed by GM which it isn't. It was developed by Delphi Automotive, a company based in Michigan. Sure Caddy used it first but Delphi supplies its suspension systems to other automakers as well, not just Cadillac. Think ZF and how they supply transmissions. And the 458 Italia is not the first Ferrari to use Magneride, the California was. I guess mentioning all that would make a bad commercial.
@SPMNDK89 Bottom line is still the same. American suspension manufacturer develops ground-breaking system applied first in American cars followed by Italian maker.
Cadillac put out the XTS, New Esacalde, ATS, Ciel, and take out the plastic fisher price Pop-Nav of the SRX and put in something similar to Audi's flat screen! No more cutting corners on push to start and latest technology! Also keep in mind even Ford Taurus and Explorer have Self Parking! Not even Ford's luxury Line! Put massaging seats in all vehicles, ATS can be excluded. NO MORE CUTTING CORNERS!
I worked with both companies on these cars. They are both nice but are targeting different people and have different objectives. I think they both do a pretty good job of meeting their objectives. I can also assure you that both companies are passionate about their cars. The magnetic ride control improves body motion but adds mass and cost. Drive it against a normal suspension and it's obviously better.
Yes, the ferrari will beat the cadillac in a race, but because its 250k starting price. if you pay 60k for a cadillac cts-v, you can buy a home or put modifications by hennessy and make it beat a ferrari for about 110k. The suspension is borrowed from cadillac because gm patented the great technology so ferrari went along and bought the greatest suspension out there. It is great for comfortable crusing then you switch it to sport. No hating on GM because we are american, love us for our products
i love you americans, i think you're easily the nicest persons worldwide and i'm glad Cadillac is trying to raise up, but to an italian like me... i'm watching this AD and think.. "oh no what is Cadillac trying to do lol" this is like suicide in my eyes.. putting the best looking supercar next to a Cadillac? come on, you for real? PS: don't wanna start a war
@LILLO84cute4girls even as an American, I have to mostly agree with you. I have a feeling Cadillac was trying to use this as a metaphor because in all honesty, I just do not think a Cadillac could beat a 458 in a corner. As much as I would love to have a US car to put on equal or better footing with a Ferrari, I just do not see that car coming from Cadillac (and IMO, that kind of car should not come from Cadillac because that's not what people look for in one). The Tuatara though? Maybe...
@LILLO84cute4girls This commercial is only expressing that Ferrari bowered magnetic ride control from Cadillac to use in the 458. The CTS-V would not be a good comparison for the 458, because the 458 would certainly be much faster around a track. A better comparison would be the Dodge Viper ACR or the Corvette ZR-1. But either way Italian super cars are great and we have much appreciation for them in the United States. Ferrari is a bench mark to compare other cars due to its reputation.
I understand that the viper has magnetic ride control, however it was developed by GM. for use on the corvette, and CTS V. the Viper ACR is a great car especially because it has finely tuned aerodynamics which keep it firmly planted on the track.
@LILLO84cute4girls Stupid much? They're not comparing them in any kind of way what so ever dumb ass. They're just bragging that Ferrari (a company with a huge reputation) borrowed their technology, thats it. That's all it is. They're proud of that and they're bragging about it and they should be.
@GeneralHoohah i didn't say they're comparing them but in terms of looks the italian is much sexier and as a result if you put them together the Cadillac looks much worse i'm not shocked by the comments below here. Before calling someone stupid think about it twice?
I'm impressed but GM cars have no craftsmanship. The body of GM cars are made out of plastic. I literally went up to a Corvette Grand Sport and the back of the car is plastic. I give GM props, but they have a lot of work to live up to their past, A LOT OF WORK TO DO.
This commercial is all a lie; Ferrari didn't borrow jack from cadillac. Ferrari's been using magnetic shocks since the 599 in 2005. I'm calling false advertising on that one.
@ericeng91 No that's not the same. Completely different from what's in corvette's today. And even if you're right, does that disprove anything I said?
lol implying that a Cadillac is even comparable to a Ferrari. American cars have been and always will be trash when compared to literally anything else. No reliability.
@guilemaster147 Bzzt Wrong. Have you ever heard of the Toyota Matrix ? My wife liked it until the transmission went up in it. The Toyota dealership was going to charge me labor for the IN WARRANTY repair until I called and raised a fuss.OK. Done right ? NOooo. I had a Tundra, 'ya know, with the BAD CAMSHAFTS !!! I always had heard that these things were indestructable, these Toyotas. Do you think I was happy with mine? I'm back to AMERICAN brands, chief. I got burnt bad on the foreign crap.
@stixie211 Tell me how a Toyota has ANYTHING to do with a Ferrari. You can't clump "foreign" into the same category. There are Italian, French, English, Japanese... they're different. And when pretty much everyone in the industry who matters is saying that American cars are unreliable- they're unreliable.
@guilemaster147 Are you kidding me ? Ok, OK. YOU spoke of reliability with regard to AMERICAN MADE AUTOS. I spoke to the reliability of FOREIGN MADE AUTOS, based on MY personnel EXPERIENCE. Are you going to sit here and tell me that having the transmission go up in the Toyota Matrix followed by the camshaft snapping in my Toyota Tundra within 6 weeks of each other is is a demonstration of Toyota's, which is a Japanese car company(thus making it foreign), reliability ?
@stixie211 There you go clumping all foreign cars into the same category again. A Peugot is different than a Toyota. You had a bad experience with Toyota, ok. Does that mean that a British or an Italian car is also bad? Of course not, unless you are a huge imbecile. And this is without even mentioning that your PERSONAL (meaning not empirical) experience with Toyota does not mean that Toyota makes bad cars. Overall, people prefer them, which is why they are more successful. One guy makes no diff
@guilemaster147 Well. There YOU go clumping all American cars into the same category again. A Peugot is the same as a Toyota in that it is a foreign brand. I had a bad experience with Toyota. A VERY BAD EXPERIENCE. Not ok. I've also had a not so good experience with FIAT, DATSUN, NISSAN, AUDI, Volkwagen. Those cars are all foreign and were not any more reliable than the American brands. The DATSUN and the AUDI actually left me stranded, which is the litmus test for reliability IMO.
@stixie211 And I can say that I had terrible experiences with Dodge, Buick and Cadillacs. One person having a bad experience does not make a business bad. Because most people agree that American cars are tacky and not worth it, that's how the general opinion is. And because most people say that foreign made cars like Honda and Toyota are reliable, then they generally are reliable. You can't speak on a personal level with things like this, it has to be done on an overall level.
@guilemaster147 Look. I realize how difficult this pill has been to swallow for the foreign crowd. But that doesn't change the fact that my friend's transmission in his Toyota RAV 4 is screwed up, my friend Todd's Four-Runner frame rusted completely through and had to be scrapped, my friend Leon's Four-Runner had to have the timing chain repaired, plus my lovely Toyota experience. We ALL agreed with your generalization. The difference now is that WE DON"T. Safety campaigns my ass.
@stixie211 The fact that you're using "we" in your argument means that you think you're speaking for more than yourself. There's not point in discussing this with you further. You won't accept that American cars are still poorly made and that this commercial is just a desperate attempt to make them look better. They almost went out of business because they are inferior, you can't deny that, it's literally fact.
@guilemaster147 I had my permission to include my friends experiences. WE all are not happy with the Toyota products. I can tell you have a driveway full of Toyota's. Sorry about that, but you'll just have to take your lumps, like it or not. I almost forgot my buddy Bob's latest Toyota story. Wheel air pressure sensor shit the bed. Toyota dealer says need a new one. He calls Toyota corporate. They say honor warranty. Toyota dealer says, Oh my ! All of a sudden light is out. Charged him $89.95.
@guilemaster147 Nope. You twisted it around. You said it was about quality and reliability, now your talking about performance. That's a typical move of someone who knows they're wrong. Talk to the producers of the show, tell'em you think their liars. Your argument was American cars are not reliable, and that foreign cars are. Now we all know the truth of that, don't we, numbnuts. Now. Can we have our 15 million living wage jobs with health care, pensions, and 401k's back.
@stixie211 Quality, reliability, and performance often coincide with each other. All three of those traits are something that American cars lack, and that most foreign cars have. The proof is in the statistics. It's undeniable.
@guilemaster147 You don't seem to be getting it. Foreign car manufacturers lied and hid their problems. They would not do recalls, they would do "safety campaigns" and clearly befuddled someone as biased as yourself. This went on for probably longer than you've been alive, about thirty years, so it's not totally your fault that you are a bit behind the curve on this. You sound like someone from the eighties commenting on American cars. Your way behind the times. BTW-the wife LOVES her new CTS!
@Flabernat i thought so too. i think GM is taking credit for it in general. if you told the general public that GM invented it with the c5, nobody would have a clue what you were saying
I personally take this as a major complement towards Ferrari (my favorite company) since Cadillac seems to be trying to amaze everyone by telling us that one of the most prestigious car companies used tech
Anyone who knows about cars knows that a Ferrari will massacre that Cadillac. Especially the one featured in this commercial. The guy in the Ferrari is obviously being payed to drive slow. If you really took them to a real race the Ferrari would win.
Ferrari copying Cadillac/GM. So am I to infer that Ferrari's success on the track and engineering of the 458 is because of copying Cadillac? REALLY?! if you can sell this to someone I have a bag of sunshine if like to sell them.
This is the first video I've ever disliked. I generally know not to watch ridiculous videos, but I just caught this on TV and I had to make sure my eyes and ears weren't playing tricks on me. I can see now that the circus act at GM really green-lighted such a moronic commercial. This makes me sick. I'm a proud American just like the next guy, but I'm not as arrogant. I'm truly disappointed.
So every car that uses a magnetic suspension system is copying cadillac? Well in that case I guess Rolls Royce is copying ford, because their cars use wheels and tires just like a ford focus!!!!! Somebody call the patent office for infringement!!!!!
@01Z06guy You know what, in all honesty I don't really care. As long as auto manufacturers are making good cars, I'm all for it. By the look of your screen-name, I can tell you're a vette guy, so you defending GM is like rooting for your favorite football team, nothing wrong with that. I just think the 458 Italia is one of the better performance vehicles available on the market today and if Ferrari paid for GM tech, then they are making damn good use of it.
I bought a Z06 because it was the best car in my price range, not because I'm a GM fan. I was not, "defending GM" I was defending the truth, which you clearly didn't understand. If Ferrari's magnetic suspension was developed independantly and GM put out this commercial, I would bash them as much as anybody. But that's not the truth. The truth is Ferrari purchased this technology from GM.
@01Z06guy I'm not denying Ferrari bought the MagneRide tech from GM, I think Audi uses the same GM patented systems as well. All I'm saying is a good suspension system setup is a good suspension system setup no matter who develops it and if GM got to it first, then so be it. I just think it's silly that Cadillac somehow bought or borrowed a 458 Italia to make this commercial. And I doubt this would make serious buyers of either car reconsider their decisions.
hey wurmy forgive me for my ignorance but i dont bother researching about gm cars... not worth my time. Never the less... One is a Ferrari and one is a cadillac
hahahahhahahahahahhahahahhahaha Are you kidding me?! even if they patented it one is a ferrari one is a cadillac. There no where near in the same league of cars. And for the record if anyone thinks ferrari would ever take technology from a cadillac, get yourself checked out because there's something seriously wrong with you. This commercial humiliates cadillac.
@goped1129 ignorant people like you embarrass yourselves on youtube with uneducated remarks stated by 12 year olds. look it up Magnetic Ride was invented and designed by GM. sorry Pal but Ferrari did in fact buy and use technology from Cadillac
LOVE Lawrence Fishburn's voice. Only I think he ought to add something to that last line---i.e., "We don't just make luxury cars. We make Cadillacs, bitch." Other than that, it's perfect.
I have read a lot of these fanboy comments. GM owns the patent to the WORLDS BEST SUSPENSION, deal with it! Plus it would be illegal for Cadillac to make a commercial and openly lie about something like this anyhow. Use Google you morons, some of you in defense for Euro overpriced cars can't even afford one to begin with. I bet you a million dollars nothing from Europe could ever perform this well for the same cost. Hell, even the 100k ZR1 out performs cars 3, and 4 times the cost,haahaaa!
I have been telling euro fanboys this for years! Delphi is a brother company of GM. Now European cars need our tech to stay relevant. Other cars who use this system and never call it MRC either. They always call it Magnetic Ride Suspension to try and make it look like they invented it,haahaaa. Google patent for MRC, and you will see the awards as well for American suspension. So this American cars are only good for straight lines BS is an out dated comment!
Idea! Get a Buick Verano. Cut out the 2 doors, make the wheelbase shorter. Keep the rear seats, make the car wider. Give it an AWD and then get the Cadillac CTS-V's engine. Make it compete with the Corvette Zo6 if not the Zr1, at the price of $60,000. :)
GM made great things..the ls engine series is the most popular , power with efficient simplicity .. almost any car manufacture dream to have in my opinion. Ex. Why would u want an m5 v10 with all complicated un neccesry overpriced techs yet produce less power and half the tourqe and costs 3 times more ..uses more fuel and consumes oil like fuel ! Makes u think why it was built even ?
GM owns Dhlpihi =Magnetic Ride Control it only got separated when gm got bankrupt
That's why a CTS-V can also smoke a 2011 Ferrari 458 , not just a California, when you buy Ferrari, you're paying for cheap junk european quality - that's why Ferrari's are designed to last 100K miles, while Cadillac's perfect quality craftsmanship will be handed down generations.
I hate how they make it sound like Ferrari begged GM for they're MRC, Ferrari and Delphi worked together at the system used by Ferrari, it's not like it's the same one used by the CTS-V (I guess they should have said perfected in the Ferrari) or Audi or Range Rover.
And by the way Delphi sold MRC to Beijing West Industries Group of China in 2009 so whatever happened after 2009 is not the credit of GM so this commercial showing the 458 is pretty stupid.
Cadillac had the first water cooled V8, first car with electric starter, first production vehicle with an enclosed cabin. You could go on for days about what GM did first and others stole.
@Levente20 Too bad, since GM developed magnetic ride in the STS back in 2002 and then F55 "Magnetic Selective Ride Control Suspension" became a third suspension option for Corvettes in 2003.
@cdude100 Yes, a video of two cars in a track is real life, but they aren't racing, just posing for the camera, I know you said almost but the truth is that if they were really racing the Cadillac would have been left in the dust, it is and amazing car but no sportscar.
And English is not my first language, sorry if that's your only argument.
"what if the viewers told you that when you put a ferrari and a cadillac in the same video, they will have forgotten everything you say because theyre focusing on the ferrari"
At least Cadillac does give "stock" [tuned] press cars like Ferrari, good luck getting a test Ferrari without a 72hour notice of what track you will be testing on, less than 12 hours later the Ferrari you requested will be going round that track, faster and faster every time
@killerspeed101 As far as I know, the Radical SR8, road legal (England), the Donkervoort D8 RS, Gumpert Apollo (Germany), Porsche 911 GT2 RS are all faster than the ZR1.
@Tsar8000 Yes but none of them are really practical cars. All lack a radio, power windows & AC except the Porsche and the Porsche's time was segmented. which leaves the ZR1 as the only practical car to run a legitimate time under 7min 19sec to date.
@bronxboyXXX I've checked out the website of Gumpert and their Apollo is available with airco, high end navigation system (with integrated reverse camera), CD/DVD player and apparantely "much" more. Which to me seems practical. No offense.
@Tsar8000 Nice try but I looked into it already. The Gumpert is about as practical as a Ferrari Enzo or Mclaren F1. It lacks power windows, you need to remove the steering wheel just to get in the car & It has arguably the most uncomfortable seating position you will ever find yourself in. watch?v=tHuu0HoF9ZY Furthermore since it lacks a driver side airbag I seriously doubt it can be sold on the US market.
@bronxboyXXX Notice that the time set with the ZR1 was done with the 2012 model (most up to date model of all the fastest cars). All the other cars are at least 2 years older. The older ZR1 with the same "technology age" is passed by the GT-R (the most practical of all fast cars, with power windows and other stuff). Probaply, Porsche, Pagani and Lamborghini and Nissan with the new GT-Rwill set times with their 2012 models very soon.
@killerspeed101 It is still beaten by the zonda F (power windows, practical according to fifth gear, an engineering masterpiece as they describe it) and it's older than the 2009 ZR1
@Tsar8000 what proof for the gt2 rs it is a estimate from the factory last time i checked. and the other 2 arnt street legal around the world like the zr1 is.
@killerspeed101 I don't think a normal person will start using it's power windows when driving at speeds over 250 km/h. Full blood sports cars aren't ment to be practical, there only reason for existence is pure speed and fast laptimes, for such they lack all the practical stuff like airco, navigation (some of them), spare tires,.... Though for a practical car, the ZR1 is indeed fast. Even I, driving a normal car for daily use , rarely use my power windows.
@Tsar8000 No idea what you just said. The point I was making was that all of those cars, while faster, can't hold a candle to the MSRP and "bang for the buck" you get with the ZR1. Magnetic ride control or not. The Donkervoort and Radicals are go-carts. Not in the same "class" as a Corvette. The Gumpert is abhorrent in its "styling". Again, the 911 GT2 RS is $249,000, so for 2.5X as much, you can MARGINALLY outperform a $100.000 Corvette.
@dvst8ive I don't think that persons that can buy this level of cars, really care for 'bang for buck'. Neither do they look a how much it consumes. They just want the fastest, most agile car. If you want a really fast car you don't care about airco, panoramic roof,....I wouldn't. And the appreciation for styling, differs from person to person. One thinks caddilacs are shoe boxes, others like them. Other like the Gumpert and others hate them.
cadillac is a trash compared to a ferrari.
genieacura 5 days ago
Note how they say " What if we told you... ". They dont actually say Ferrari gets their magneride from GM. Also note how they say " Cadillac PIONEERED the magneride system " They dont say at any point here that GM made it because infact... They didnt. This whole video is built to fire up under american misconceptions and let the fanboys spin stories. GM never made the god damn Magneride.
Its a russian patent from the 1940s used alot in heavy industry.
Janusha 1 week ago
@Janusha
-Developed for cars by a company operating out of Bejing China. One of many hundreds of GM subcontractors but NOT made by GM itself. And even if it was... Does it really have to get THIS nerdy ? Do americans REALLY need to dive into iron particles in suspension fluid inorder to find something positive with US cars ? Is there really nothing else to get excited over ?
This is like when GM fanboys claimed ownership of Brembo and made a point out of using the same brakes as Ferrari.
Janusha 1 week ago
@Janusha You're so pathetic Janusha get a life... And a fact book
Greendude33 1 week ago
@Greendude33
Im gonna guess you dont have any info to contest this, Just your standard desperate need to discredit me personally. Well this isnt MY opinion. Im quoting a very professional magazine here that did their research. Go bother someone else now.
Janusha 1 week ago
@Janusha Again you're so pathetic you always pretend to have "done research" and have sources to back you up and you never do this is no different than any of your other tirades. You've succeeded in becoming one of the most infamous trolls on this website congratuations everyone is familiar with your screename as that clinically phychaotic troll that refuses to stop trolling on car videos.
This is no different you're plain wrong on this topic like usual. Your name is mud on car videos
Greendude33 1 week ago
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@Greendude33
Im gonna guess you dont have any info to contest this, Just your standard desperate need to discredit me personally. Well this isnt MY opinion. Im quoting a very professional magazine here that did their research. Go bother someone else now.
Janusha 6 days ago
@Janusha Cadillac was the first brand smart enough to put it into a production car. Back in 2003 for the Seville STS.
MrThestig8 4 days ago
@MrThestig8
Yes and now they use that miniscule detail. God damn brake fluid that they didnt even make themselves and try to blow that up to such a degree that now, they are better than Ferrari. Is there no shame? At what point does it EVER get embarrassing for these people.
Janusha 3 days ago
I love Ferrari design though, Cadillac is still a better design
BlockBig10 2 weeks ago
Ferrari has crap interiors, Cadillac is so much better - this is coming from an Italian
BlockBig10 2 weeks ago
@BlockBig10
Haha then you have never seen a Cadillac up close.
Janusha 1 week ago
@3XICS exactly the point i'm trying to make THANK YOU!
mansfieldcanada 3 weeks ago
@V8Supercar1 it's irrelevant to the people who are buying it, you can't tell me realistically you could get a zr-1 round that track in that time, you'd have to have balls of steel to push that thing that fast around any track. thus it's irrelevant, performance is one thing...being able to harness it is a whole other game, that's where germany and ferrari will always win. end of story.
mansfieldcanada 1 month ago
@mansfieldcanada Forget courage, any moron can get in a car and think he is Schumy, you need massive skill to get anywhere near it's potential.
3XICS 1 month ago
if the ferrari got the technology from cadillac then im sure it would be shit. and audi had that a long time ago
TheStig126 1 month ago
@TheStig126
This is bullshit mediahype. Audi has their own magneride-system. Ferrari would never pick it out of a god damn GM as they want you to believe. This kind of advertisement is ment for the dumbest of the dumb people that will never question any opportunity to wave the flag.
Janusha 1 week ago
Now that is F-ing SWEET.
detroitjeeper 1 month ago
I have one of these Cadillacs and let me tell you it is just phenomenal. I have owned Jaguars, Porsche, Mercedes, BMW and Cadillacs and Lincolns... and more. But these latest Cadillacs are just incredible performers. I am gladand proud to see the American Standard of the world, return.
calvinboy27 1 month ago
santa,i want a cadillac cts-v for chrismas!
Mrdeandean100 2 months ago
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Mrdeandean100 2 months ago
Men, U just look at Caddy and every other cars are gone against its design.
minang12345 2 months ago
@babypleasedontgo100 sorry to double post but the reason i said cts-v 458 n what not is because the commercial show the 458 in the rear view mirror lol i just kinda laughed at that. and that 458 would destroy a zr-1 with 2 medium experienced drivers at the wheel. any car guy should know that the zr-1 is so tail happy you'd kill yourself in it if you tried to drive it at it's limits. and a nurburgring specialist is not a medium experienced driver so that 7:22 is irrelevant, it also did a 7:38
mansfieldcanada 2 months ago
@mansfieldcanada: The Nurburgring run in the ZR1 isn't irrelevant. Because the whole point of it is to show what the car is capable of achieving. Not to try and show its some easy to drive car. And if a medium driver can't keep a car on the track that offers traction control, then that medium has no business even being on the track.
V8Supercar1 1 month ago
@mansfieldcanada The cts-v never claimed to be faster around the nur than the 458...If you are going to make that argument compare price as-well. Compare the Zr1 to the 458....Way cheaper, way faster. Zr1 Nurburgring time...7:22.4.
babypleasedontgo100 2 months ago 2
@babypleasedontgo100 sry 7:41. shows the consistency of it.
mansfieldcanada 2 months ago
@babypleasedontgo100 The 'Ring is every Z06/ZR1 fanboy's excuse of it being faster than anything else. Take a look at other tracks too before stating that it's the fastest within it's price range. Not trying to start an argument or anything so don't burst out.
Rapide0910 6 days ago
What racetrack is this filmed at?
beastintheworld1 3 months ago
Sure Caddy was involved since the development stage of the suspension setup but they are hardly solely responsible. GM should also thank God that the company that developed this system first was right next door in Troy Michigan. Delphi was initially a part of GM in the beginning but branched out independently and was renamed. The funny thing is that although the system itself was first developed by Delphi, some other company owns the rights to it. Which is why it exists in cars outside of GM.
SPMNDK89 3 months ago
This commercial is misleading. First of all, Cadillac makes it sound like MagneRide was exclusively developed by GM which it isn't. It was developed by Delphi Automotive, a company based in Michigan. Sure Caddy used it first but Delphi supplies its suspension systems to other automakers as well, not just Cadillac. Think ZF and how they supply transmissions. And the 458 Italia is not the first Ferrari to use Magneride, the California was. I guess mentioning all that would make a bad commercial.
SPMNDK89 3 months ago
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SPMNDK89 3 months ago
@SPMNDK89 Bottom line is still the same. American suspension manufacturer develops ground-breaking system applied first in American cars followed by Italian maker.
FraAngelico729 2 months ago
Acura has been using this technology already. Cadillac is just a copier.
cargorocker 3 months ago
@cargorocker Cadillac was the first using it, since the 90s
leoz96 3 months ago
@cargorocker <<< YOU fail
caddyman07 3 months ago
bad ass commercial
aaronnyy 3 months ago
EVERYONE JUST WATCH CADILLAC VS FERRARI by Top Gear.. this will all be explained soon >=)
fonzothebeast 3 months ago 2
@fonzothebeast It's a top of the line Cadillac vs of all Ferraris, a California. It's also Top Gear USA.
Harukoozt 1 month ago
you know, this commercial just makes me happy.
not happy-in-the-pants, but just proud of cadillac and their revival strategy
ARISE CADILLAC, ARISE LIKE A PHOENIX FROM THE ASHES OF YOUR FORMER SELF TO NEW GLORY,
and a #1 parking spot on the list of the most legendary wagons of all time.....
gofaster7n 4 months ago 10
YES! going to the cadilac dealer to check it out. Great job Cadillac
alberto19000 4 months ago
Ferrari is better.
TypeZeroRacing 4 months ago
Ferrari is a million times better and hasn't got anything to do with this brick.
lifethelifetoday 4 months ago
Ferrari > Cadillac its just a fact, respect to Cadi however
unclepic1 4 months ago
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USA USA USA USA!!
djillest303 4 months ago
nice drums
totalityfilm 4 months ago
Cadillac put out the XTS, New Esacalde, ATS, Ciel, and take out the plastic fisher price Pop-Nav of the SRX and put in something similar to Audi's flat screen! No more cutting corners on push to start and latest technology! Also keep in mind even Ford Taurus and Explorer have Self Parking! Not even Ford's luxury Line! Put massaging seats in all vehicles, ATS can be excluded. NO MORE CUTTING CORNERS!
PorscheORviper 4 months ago
I worked with both companies on these cars. They are both nice but are targeting different people and have different objectives. I think they both do a pretty good job of meeting their objectives. I can also assure you that both companies are passionate about their cars. The magnetic ride control improves body motion but adds mass and cost. Drive it against a normal suspension and it's obviously better.
generhawkins 4 months ago
All in the name of publicity.
pratikparija 4 months ago
Yes, the ferrari will beat the cadillac in a race, but because its 250k starting price. if you pay 60k for a cadillac cts-v, you can buy a home or put modifications by hennessy and make it beat a ferrari for about 110k. The suspension is borrowed from cadillac because gm patented the great technology so ferrari went along and bought the greatest suspension out there. It is great for comfortable crusing then you switch it to sport. No hating on GM because we are american, love us for our products
JohnDPearson90 4 months ago 12
I'm not really sure what they're trying to sell me ... But if it's that 458, it's working!
OHLAWDCHICKEN 4 months ago
Cadillac anyday over Ferrari! Go Cadillac! Greets from Germany!
kingermanfool 4 months ago
i love you americans, i think you're easily the nicest persons worldwide and i'm glad Cadillac is trying to raise up, but to an italian like me... i'm watching this AD and think.. "oh no what is Cadillac trying to do lol" this is like suicide in my eyes.. putting the best looking supercar next to a Cadillac? come on, you for real? PS: don't wanna start a war
LILLO84cute4girls 5 months ago
@LILLO84cute4girls even as an American, I have to mostly agree with you. I have a feeling Cadillac was trying to use this as a metaphor because in all honesty, I just do not think a Cadillac could beat a 458 in a corner. As much as I would love to have a US car to put on equal or better footing with a Ferrari, I just do not see that car coming from Cadillac (and IMO, that kind of car should not come from Cadillac because that's not what people look for in one). The Tuatara though? Maybe...
officereagle 5 months ago
@officereagle well my friend i would say the Corvette Zr1 is a mindblowing fast car we love it over here(:
LILLO84cute4girls 4 months ago
@LILLO84cute4girls This commercial is only expressing that Ferrari bowered magnetic ride control from Cadillac to use in the 458. The CTS-V would not be a good comparison for the 458, because the 458 would certainly be much faster around a track. A better comparison would be the Dodge Viper ACR or the Corvette ZR-1. But either way Italian super cars are great and we have much appreciation for them in the United States. Ferrari is a bench mark to compare other cars due to its reputation.
IDriveAmerican 4 months ago
@IDriveAmerican 0.0 the ACR viper has magnetic ride control?
GTGTRR 4 months ago
I understand that the viper has magnetic ride control, however it was developed by GM. for use on the corvette, and CTS V. the Viper ACR is a great car especially because it has finely tuned aerodynamics which keep it firmly planted on the track.
IDriveAmerican 4 months ago
@LILLO84cute4girls Stupid much? They're not comparing them in any kind of way what so ever dumb ass. They're just bragging that Ferrari (a company with a huge reputation) borrowed their technology, thats it. That's all it is. They're proud of that and they're bragging about it and they should be.
GeneralHoohah 4 months ago
@GeneralHoohah i didn't say they're comparing them but in terms of looks the italian is much sexier and as a result if you put them together the Cadillac looks much worse i'm not shocked by the comments below here. Before calling someone stupid think about it twice?
LILLO84cute4girls 4 months ago
nice drums!
totalityfilm 5 months ago
I'm impressed but GM cars have no craftsmanship. The body of GM cars are made out of plastic. I literally went up to a Corvette Grand Sport and the back of the car is plastic. I give GM props, but they have a lot of work to live up to their past, A LOT OF WORK TO DO.
zeppelin27901 5 months ago
@zeppelin27901 Question have you ever tired the same thing with a Ferrari or other exotic performance car?
IDriveAmerican 4 months ago
This commercial is all a lie; Ferrari didn't borrow jack from cadillac. Ferrari's been using magnetic shocks since the 599 in 2005. I'm calling false advertising on that one.
Buttnut105 5 months ago
@Buttnut105 Fun fact... GM used it in their Seville STS in 2002 and Chevy has the magnetic suspension in all models of Corvettes by 2003
ericeng91 5 months ago
@ericeng91 No that's not the same. Completely different from what's in corvette's today. And even if you're right, does that disprove anything I said?
Buttnut105 5 months ago
lol implying that a Cadillac is even comparable to a Ferrari. American cars have been and always will be trash when compared to literally anything else. No reliability.
guilemaster147 5 months ago
@guilemaster147 Bzzt Wrong. Have you ever heard of the Toyota Matrix ? My wife liked it until the transmission went up in it. The Toyota dealership was going to charge me labor for the IN WARRANTY repair until I called and raised a fuss.OK. Done right ? NOooo. I had a Tundra, 'ya know, with the BAD CAMSHAFTS !!! I always had heard that these things were indestructable, these Toyotas. Do you think I was happy with mine? I'm back to AMERICAN brands, chief. I got burnt bad on the foreign crap.
stixie211 5 months ago
@stixie211 Tell me how a Toyota has ANYTHING to do with a Ferrari. You can't clump "foreign" into the same category. There are Italian, French, English, Japanese... they're different. And when pretty much everyone in the industry who matters is saying that American cars are unreliable- they're unreliable.
guilemaster147 5 months ago
@guilemaster147 Are you kidding me ? Ok, OK. YOU spoke of reliability with regard to AMERICAN MADE AUTOS. I spoke to the reliability of FOREIGN MADE AUTOS, based on MY personnel EXPERIENCE. Are you going to sit here and tell me that having the transmission go up in the Toyota Matrix followed by the camshaft snapping in my Toyota Tundra within 6 weeks of each other is is a demonstration of Toyota's, which is a Japanese car company(thus making it foreign), reliability ?
stixie211 5 months ago
@stixie211 There you go clumping all foreign cars into the same category again. A Peugot is different than a Toyota. You had a bad experience with Toyota, ok. Does that mean that a British or an Italian car is also bad? Of course not, unless you are a huge imbecile. And this is without even mentioning that your PERSONAL (meaning not empirical) experience with Toyota does not mean that Toyota makes bad cars. Overall, people prefer them, which is why they are more successful. One guy makes no diff
guilemaster147 5 months ago
@guilemaster147 Well. There YOU go clumping all American cars into the same category again. A Peugot is the same as a Toyota in that it is a foreign brand. I had a bad experience with Toyota. A VERY BAD EXPERIENCE. Not ok. I've also had a not so good experience with FIAT, DATSUN, NISSAN, AUDI, Volkwagen. Those cars are all foreign and were not any more reliable than the American brands. The DATSUN and the AUDI actually left me stranded, which is the litmus test for reliability IMO.
stixie211 5 months ago
@stixie211 And I can say that I had terrible experiences with Dodge, Buick and Cadillacs. One person having a bad experience does not make a business bad. Because most people agree that American cars are tacky and not worth it, that's how the general opinion is. And because most people say that foreign made cars like Honda and Toyota are reliable, then they generally are reliable. You can't speak on a personal level with things like this, it has to be done on an overall level.
guilemaster147 5 months ago
@guilemaster147 Look. I realize how difficult this pill has been to swallow for the foreign crowd. But that doesn't change the fact that my friend's transmission in his Toyota RAV 4 is screwed up, my friend Todd's Four-Runner frame rusted completely through and had to be scrapped, my friend Leon's Four-Runner had to have the timing chain repaired, plus my lovely Toyota experience. We ALL agreed with your generalization. The difference now is that WE DON"T. Safety campaigns my ass.
stixie211 5 months ago
@stixie211 The fact that you're using "we" in your argument means that you think you're speaking for more than yourself. There's not point in discussing this with you further. You won't accept that American cars are still poorly made and that this commercial is just a desperate attempt to make them look better. They almost went out of business because they are inferior, you can't deny that, it's literally fact.
guilemaster147 5 months ago
@guilemaster147 I had my permission to include my friends experiences. WE all are not happy with the Toyota products. I can tell you have a driveway full of Toyota's. Sorry about that, but you'll just have to take your lumps, like it or not. I almost forgot my buddy Bob's latest Toyota story. Wheel air pressure sensor shit the bed. Toyota dealer says need a new one. He calls Toyota corporate. They say honor warranty. Toyota dealer says, Oh my ! All of a sudden light is out. Charged him $89.95.
stixie211 4 months ago
@stixie211 I don't own a single Toyota.
guilemaster147 4 months ago
@guilemaster147 So what's your F!@#KING problem ?
stixie211 4 months ago
@stixie211 People who think that a Cadillac outperforms a Ferrari.
guilemaster147 4 months ago
@guilemaster147 Nope. You twisted it around. You said it was about quality and reliability, now your talking about performance. That's a typical move of someone who knows they're wrong. Talk to the producers of the show, tell'em you think their liars. Your argument was American cars are not reliable, and that foreign cars are. Now we all know the truth of that, don't we, numbnuts. Now. Can we have our 15 million living wage jobs with health care, pensions, and 401k's back.
stixie211 4 months ago
@stixie211 Quality, reliability, and performance often coincide with each other. All three of those traits are something that American cars lack, and that most foreign cars have. The proof is in the statistics. It's undeniable.
guilemaster147 4 months ago
@guilemaster147 You don't seem to be getting it. Foreign car manufacturers lied and hid their problems. They would not do recalls, they would do "safety campaigns" and clearly befuddled someone as biased as yourself. This went on for probably longer than you've been alive, about thirty years, so it's not totally your fault that you are a bit behind the curve on this. You sound like someone from the eighties commenting on American cars. Your way behind the times. BTW-the wife LOVES her new CTS!
stixie211 4 months ago
I thought that the magnetic shocks GM uses was first implemented in the C5 Corvette, in 2002 I believe.
Flabernat 5 months ago
@Flabernat i thought so too. i think GM is taking credit for it in general. if you told the general public that GM invented it with the c5, nobody would have a clue what you were saying
yelluhfelluh 5 months ago
@yelluhfelluh .... thanks for the reply, nice to know I'm not the only one who knows this :-P...... You make a good point
Flabernat 5 months ago
@Flabernat first was the seville sts who's build date was in 2002. corvettes got it in the 2003 model year.
ericeng91 5 months ago
Used their tech.
xxplorer1 5 months ago
I personally take this as a major complement towards Ferrari (my favorite company) since Cadillac seems to be trying to amaze everyone by telling us that one of the most prestigious car companies used tech
xxplorer1 5 months ago
Anyone who knows about cars knows that a Ferrari will massacre that Cadillac. Especially the one featured in this commercial. The guy in the Ferrari is obviously being payed to drive slow. If you really took them to a real race the Ferrari would win.
CoolFiddler94 5 months ago
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Both are great cars.
OneManArmy4Life 5 months ago
GM rocks \m/
Anthonyazar 5 months ago
I came to this thread to read all the funny comments by angry haters. I was not dissappionted.
01Z06guy 5 months ago
Ferrari copying Cadillac/GM. So am I to infer that Ferrari's success on the track and engineering of the 458 is because of copying Cadillac? REALLY?! if you can sell this to someone I have a bag of sunshine if like to sell them.
wildcardfox07 5 months ago
This is the first video I've ever disliked. I generally know not to watch ridiculous videos, but I just caught this on TV and I had to make sure my eyes and ears weren't playing tricks on me. I can see now that the circus act at GM really green-lighted such a moronic commercial. This makes me sick. I'm a proud American just like the next guy, but I'm not as arrogant. I'm truly disappointed.
rwwebb392 5 months ago
it is the best track i have ever been to
ZCPorscheGuy 5 months ago
Yes, Monticello motor club. I recognized it instantly. I love that track!
Z06ified 5 months ago
Is this at Monticello motor club?
ZCPorscheGuy 5 months ago
So every car that uses a magnetic suspension system is copying cadillac? Well in that case I guess Rolls Royce is copying ford, because their cars use wheels and tires just like a ford focus!!!!! Somebody call the patent office for infringement!!!!!
SPMNDK89 5 months ago
@SPMNDK89
Did Rolls Royce have to pay Ford to use wheels are tires? No.
Did Ferrari pay GM to use their magnetic ride technology? YES.
01Z06guy 5 months ago
@01Z06guy You know what, in all honesty I don't really care. As long as auto manufacturers are making good cars, I'm all for it. By the look of your screen-name, I can tell you're a vette guy, so you defending GM is like rooting for your favorite football team, nothing wrong with that. I just think the 458 Italia is one of the better performance vehicles available on the market today and if Ferrari paid for GM tech, then they are making damn good use of it.
SPMNDK89 5 months ago
@SPMNDK89
I bought a Z06 because it was the best car in my price range, not because I'm a GM fan. I was not, "defending GM" I was defending the truth, which you clearly didn't understand. If Ferrari's magnetic suspension was developed independantly and GM put out this commercial, I would bash them as much as anybody. But that's not the truth. The truth is Ferrari purchased this technology from GM.
01Z06guy 5 months ago
@01Z06guy I'm not denying Ferrari bought the MagneRide tech from GM, I think Audi uses the same GM patented systems as well. All I'm saying is a good suspension system setup is a good suspension system setup no matter who develops it and if GM got to it first, then so be it. I just think it's silly that Cadillac somehow bought or borrowed a 458 Italia to make this commercial. And I doubt this would make serious buyers of either car reconsider their decisions.
SPMNDK89 5 months ago
hey wurmy forgive me for my ignorance but i dont bother researching about gm cars... not worth my time. Never the less... One is a Ferrari and one is a cadillac
goped11294 5 months ago
CTS-V is amazing
Jabid21 5 months ago
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and for the record that ferrari would rape that cadillac.
goped11294 5 months ago
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hahahahhahahahahahhahahahhahaha Are you kidding me?! even if they patented it one is a ferrari one is a cadillac. There no where near in the same league of cars. And for the record if anyone thinks ferrari would ever take technology from a cadillac, get yourself checked out because there's something seriously wrong with you. This commercial humiliates cadillac.
goped11294 5 months ago
@goped11294 they did the first car with mrc is a 2002 caddilac.
killerspeed101 5 months ago 2
@goped1129 ignorant people like you embarrass yourselves on youtube with uneducated remarks stated by 12 year olds. look it up Magnetic Ride was invented and designed by GM. sorry Pal but Ferrari did in fact buy and use technology from Cadillac
wurmy1012 5 months ago
nice drums! dig the tempo change in the end
totalityfilm 5 months ago
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american cars...piles of SHIT.
Ironoff 5 months ago
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american cars are such piles of SHIT...i HAD TO POST IT AGAIN.
Ironoff 5 months ago
american cars...piles of SHIT.
Ironoff 5 months ago
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I'd take a 2011 Shelby GT 350 Or a 2012 Boss 302 over that caddy any day...
BL80488 5 months ago
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LOVE Lawrence Fishburn's voice. Only I think he ought to add something to that last line---i.e., "We don't just make luxury cars. We make Cadillacs, bitch." Other than that, it's perfect.
RDJudesie 5 months ago
I have read a lot of these fanboy comments. GM owns the patent to the WORLDS BEST SUSPENSION, deal with it! Plus it would be illegal for Cadillac to make a commercial and openly lie about something like this anyhow. Use Google you morons, some of you in defense for Euro overpriced cars can't even afford one to begin with. I bet you a million dollars nothing from Europe could ever perform this well for the same cost. Hell, even the 100k ZR1 out performs cars 3, and 4 times the cost,haahaaa!
weaverbe11 5 months ago
I have been telling euro fanboys this for years! Delphi is a brother company of GM. Now European cars need our tech to stay relevant. Other cars who use this system and never call it MRC either. They always call it Magnetic Ride Suspension to try and make it look like they invented it,haahaaa. Google patent for MRC, and you will see the awards as well for American suspension. So this American cars are only good for straight lines BS is an out dated comment!
weaverbe11 5 months ago
haha the only reason the ferrari is in the rear view is because it's about to lap the caddy.
eq562 5 months ago
@LegacyofSupremacy Agreed!!
dakota31898 5 months ago
I can buy a house and a Cadillac CTS-V for the price of a Ferrari. American cars are coming back up in the world and I love it. Good job GM!!
dakota31898 5 months ago 26
@dakota31898 --- Amen...
cloudkidmagic 5 months ago
Idea! Get a Buick Verano. Cut out the 2 doors, make the wheelbase shorter. Keep the rear seats, make the car wider. Give it an AWD and then get the Cadillac CTS-V's engine. Make it compete with the Corvette Zo6 if not the Zr1, at the price of $60,000. :)
TheHm3 5 months ago
Yet despite that an E63 AMG will pull more G in the corners.
3XICS 5 months ago
if cadillac told me their suspension was as good as a ferrari 458's i would not believe one word of it.
andrewgsupbrah 5 months ago
Pointless and provocative ad.
NO COMMENT!
viperconcept 5 months ago
Its pretty old known fact...
GM made great things..the ls engine series is the most popular , power with efficient simplicity .. almost any car manufacture dream to have in my opinion. Ex. Why would u want an m5 v10 with all complicated un neccesry overpriced techs yet produce less power and half the tourqe and costs 3 times more ..uses more fuel and consumes oil like fuel ! Makes u think why it was built even ?
GM owns Dhlpihi =Magnetic Ride Control it only got separated when gm got bankrupt
azel6 5 months ago
Che sarebbe ciò??
FULLDELTA18 5 months ago
haha Cadillac has gone too far this time
minigunner1212 5 months ago
That's why a CTS-V can also smoke a 2011 Ferrari 458 , not just a California, when you buy Ferrari, you're paying for cheap junk european quality - that's why Ferrari's are designed to last 100K miles, while Cadillac's perfect quality craftsmanship will be handed down generations.
UFCextra 5 months ago
@UFCextra ahahahahhaha
slashale 5 months ago
Si vede proprio che non capisci un cazzo di auto.
gto34001 5 months ago
@UFCextra Si Vede Che Proprio non capisci delle Nazioni Unite Cazzo di auto.
gto34001 5 months ago
I hate how they make it sound like Ferrari begged GM for they're MRC, Ferrari and Delphi worked together at the system used by Ferrari, it's not like it's the same one used by the CTS-V (I guess they should have said perfected in the Ferrari) or Audi or Range Rover.
And by the way Delphi sold MRC to Beijing West Industries Group of China in 2009 so whatever happened after 2009 is not the credit of GM so this commercial showing the 458 is pretty stupid.
3XICS 5 months ago
Cadillac had the first water cooled V8, first car with electric starter, first production vehicle with an enclosed cabin. You could go on for days about what GM did first and others stole.
2009G8Gxp 6 months ago
nice drums!
totalityfilm 6 months ago
what if you told me?" i wont belive it its simple as that
Levente20 6 months ago
@Levente20 Too bad, since GM developed magnetic ride in the STS back in 2002 and then F55 "Magnetic Selective Ride Control Suspension" became a third suspension option for Corvettes in 2003.
dvst8ive 6 months ago
i dont care if the fearri is faster than Cadillac if a caddy can almost keep up with the Ferrari thats awesome
cdude100 6 months ago
@cdude100 It's and add, the CTS-V cannot keep up at all in real life.
MikeBR92 6 months ago
@MikeBR92 if that isnt real life then what is? And i said almost
cdude100 6 months ago
@MikeBR92 and learn to spell ad
cdude100 6 months ago
@cdude100 Yes, a video of two cars in a track is real life, but they aren't racing, just posing for the camera, I know you said almost but the truth is that if they were really racing the Cadillac would have been left in the dust, it is and amazing car but no sportscar.
And English is not my first language, sorry if that's your only argument.
MikeBR92 6 months ago
@MikeBR92 then sue them for false advertising
cdude100 6 months ago
@cdude100 So you think the CTS-V can keep up with the 458 in a race ? And all of that because of a speed up commercial made by Cadillac ?
3XICS 5 months ago
"what if the viewers told you that when you put a ferrari and a cadillac in the same video, they will have forgotten everything you say because theyre focusing on the ferrari"
cheenadengin 6 months ago
At least Cadillac does give "stock" [tuned] press cars like Ferrari, good luck getting a test Ferrari without a 72hour notice of what track you will be testing on, less than 12 hours later the Ferrari you requested will be going round that track, faster and faster every time
denvera1g1 6 months ago
only ferrari only ferrari only ferrari
behzadb5s 6 months ago
Even if it is so, why haven't they build the fastest and most agile car yet?
Tsar8000 6 months ago
@Tsar8000 does the corvete zr1 ring any bells it has the same type of shocks
killerspeed101 6 months ago
@killerspeed101 As far as I know, the Radical SR8, road legal (England), the Donkervoort D8 RS, Gumpert Apollo (Germany), Porsche 911 GT2 RS are all faster than the ZR1.
Tsar8000 6 months ago
@Tsar8000 Yes but none of them are really practical cars. All lack a radio, power windows & AC except the Porsche and the Porsche's time was segmented. which leaves the ZR1 as the only practical car to run a legitimate time under 7min 19sec to date.
bronxboyXXX 6 months ago
@bronxboyXXX I've checked out the website of Gumpert and their Apollo is available with airco, high end navigation system (with integrated reverse camera), CD/DVD player and apparantely "much" more. Which to me seems practical. No offense.
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bronxboyXXX 6 months ago
@Tsar8000 Nice try but I looked into it already. The Gumpert is about as practical as a Ferrari Enzo or Mclaren F1. It lacks power windows, you need to remove the steering wheel just to get in the car & It has arguably the most uncomfortable seating position you will ever find yourself in. watch?v=tHuu0HoF9ZY Furthermore since it lacks a driver side airbag I seriously doubt it can be sold on the US market.
bronxboyXXX 6 months ago
@bronxboyXXX Notice that the time set with the ZR1 was done with the 2012 model (most up to date model of all the fastest cars). All the other cars are at least 2 years older. The older ZR1 with the same "technology age" is passed by the GT-R (the most practical of all fast cars, with power windows and other stuff). Probaply, Porsche, Pagani and Lamborghini and Nissan with the new GT-Rwill set times with their 2012 models very soon.
Tsar8000 6 months ago
@Tsar8000 they have done the 2012 one and got a little slower if i rember correctly
killerspeed101 6 months ago
@killerspeed101 The 2012 ZR1 (7:19.63) is roughly 7sec faster than the older 2009 ZR1 (7:26.4). Which is a decent gap.
Tsar8000 6 months ago
@Tsar8000 im talking about the gtr
killerspeed101 6 months ago
@killerspeed101 It is still beaten by the zonda F (power windows, practical according to fifth gear, an engineering masterpiece as they describe it) and it's older than the 2009 ZR1
Tsar8000 6 months ago
@Tsar8000 whats its laptime?
killerspeed101 6 months ago
@Tsar8000 oh wait its 7:27
killerspeed101 6 months ago
@killerspeed101 I've got a 7:24.44 (Marc Basseg, August 2008) Maybe someday we should race each other on the nurburgring ;)
Tsar8000 6 months ago
@Tsar8000 yea you provide the cars and airfare and you got a deal :P
killerspeed101 6 months ago
@Tsar8000 what proof for the gt2 rs it is a estimate from the factory last time i checked. and the other 2 arnt street legal around the world like the zr1 is.
killerspeed101 6 months ago
@killerspeed101 I don't think a normal person will start using it's power windows when driving at speeds over 250 km/h. Full blood sports cars aren't ment to be practical, there only reason for existence is pure speed and fast laptimes, for such they lack all the practical stuff like airco, navigation (some of them), spare tires,.... Though for a practical car, the ZR1 is indeed fast. Even I, driving a normal car for daily use , rarely use my power windows.
Tsar8000 6 months ago
@Tsar8000 ...yes, and what is the MSRP on those cars? Lul'z.
dvst8ive 5 months ago
@dvst8ive They haven't it, that's the point. They don't need it to go way faster.
Tsar8000 5 months ago
@Tsar8000 No idea what you just said. The point I was making was that all of those cars, while faster, can't hold a candle to the MSRP and "bang for the buck" you get with the ZR1. Magnetic ride control or not. The Donkervoort and Radicals are go-carts. Not in the same "class" as a Corvette. The Gumpert is abhorrent in its "styling". Again, the 911 GT2 RS is $249,000, so for 2.5X as much, you can MARGINALLY outperform a $100.000 Corvette.
UMAD?
dvst8ive 5 months ago
@dvst8ive I don't think that persons that can buy this level of cars, really care for 'bang for buck'. Neither do they look a how much it consumes. They just want the fastest, most agile car. If you want a really fast car you don't care about airco, panoramic roof,....I wouldn't. And the appreciation for styling, differs from person to person. One thinks caddilacs are shoe boxes, others like them. Other like the Gumpert and others hate them.
Tsar8000 5 months ago