Big fish eats small fish. A sad poker story.

[beekiemov]

boring

[TheMrGavoni]

A2 was not an unpredictable hand for him to have. He looks exactly like the kinda player who would call a raise (in a TERRIBLE position, SB) with just an A and low unsuited kicker.

[Pixie12321]

supposed to ship turn

[MeinungsfreiheiT1776]

what is the name of the poker software

[gafrancisco]

The way i played this hand: call the big blind ... call all the bets(20% of the pot max) throw the river...and never call an all-in ..with a board like that

[Ex0rz]

You even mention that hes a fish and not aware that fished usually go all-in when they hit a hand instead of trying to make a small bet to ensure that people call. There was a jack and a gutshot straight on the board. Still you call with TT? Id even be cautious of that flop there :p However its unlikely that anybody would have like 42 or 74, but there is also two hearts on the flop so it was a pretty bad flop for you so many draws that you would lose to.

[valdez87]

This is why I think stat trackers are ridiculous on a big site where you don't usually play the same people unless you move to medium stakes or above...

Cash game - you're risking more per hand... watch the play and only use the stats for a general feeling of how they play

Tournaments - hand history is better since there are many "stages" of a tourney so you need to adapt to how play changes over time.

[WaspSnG]

Turn is a shove. Unless he has QhJh, AhJh or some kind, that Js is a blanc. If you put him on a draw there, it's just a shove.

[sepehr333]

shoooooove the turn chicken

[elgar101]

This guy is like a less angry Phil Hellmuth

[lukasninos]

i dont get the turn bet u could make him lay his hand down there by betin about 1200..cause thats reasonable even if u put sb on a flush draw like he said u obviously wouldnt want him to complete the flush...

now about the river call i dont know if he reralized that str8 was completed with one card (2 or 7) so if u think back the guy raised 120 preflop and then called the reraise actually i believe its an easy laydown since he could have pocket sevens or ace 7 or ace 2 what he did have.

[BaTVaNk0]

I don't know if it is lord but some1 helped him with that 4 allright :D

[thepezisangry]

could someone tell me exactly which program this guy is using to see pot odds, everbodys names and their aggresion meter and pre flop raises by other people etc whats the name of the program?

And the program also show this thing called mzone that he is talking about, what exactly is it?

[filipnaw]

bad... i dont like the 3 bet pre, first to act so bad. people are going to be calling you in position with alot of hands 56 45 55 suited connectors, wide range. just put yourself in an awful spot, in the end you have to fold but you getting 5-1 so you cant, how could you think your good here...the bet 500 into 1900 pot is so bad too...for so many reasons

[lorenor89]

idiot.... that was obvious actually ^^

[gunotweside]

HAHAHAHAHAHHAHHHHAHHAHAHAHAHAH­A!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

After you said "Good Lord" - Made my day!! XD

thanks for uploading LOL

[Jordanime]

I cant say for sure, but if you put in a bigger bet on the turn he may have folded. As it was, he was getting a 5 to 1 on a call to either hit a 4, an ace, or a scare card like a heart. Don't get me wrong, I'm just playing fish's advocate.

[mantisgamingco]

3rd party software to play poker how sad is that. you're a fucking idiot with no skill. you use a PROGRAM to get a feel or a read thats fucking weak. im embarassed to watch this video.

[BigEricHunt]

Why did you not see how 4d could have helped him? If, as you believed, he was playing for hearts flush, why would he not be holding 2h or 7h? Also, he could have limped in with a low pair and hit trips on the flop, or he could have hit two pair at either the flop or the river (semi-bluff that still fucks a pair of 10s).

Abandoning the laws of probability on the strength of a Sharkscope rating makes you the fish in this instance.

[DuellMeNoob]

@BigEricHunt trips on the flop? there is no possible trip situation on that board. if you try to "educate" people at poker, make sure you have a clue.

[emmeichele]

If you want my congratulations... i don't gave you it.

Anyone can put a similar personal hand.

Despite hand's analysis is perfect but if you want to point up this you should not put this title.

Excuse me for bad english

[Graham6762]

he pwned you nub!!!

[JeeRaph]

I understand you're a tourney player but I really think you should throw some cash games... I forgot about black friday already... Sorry you've got to get a job now.

[whatageeza]

The board was extremely draw heavy and you gave him 5/1 pot odds on the turn? I wouldn't be using the term "fish" too quickly if I were you.

[blebo55557]

it would be really funny if he was playing ivey the whole time

[lurgertor]

Couldn't he have a hand like 54, 64, or 43 here? IDK maybe he'd push with those hands on the flop or on the turn. And I agree, shove the on the turn, or at least bet about half the pot and call a shove.

[scribble127]

Shove turn. You have a pot sized bet left. The jack hits specifically AJhh, KJhh, QJhh, JThh, J9hh... that is 5 hands! And his range includes many worse made hands (some will call) and a ton of draws.

[Chrisaroundtheworld1]

haha marty..."good lord, good lord help that player.."

[swissdragon15]

sorry but the flop was already a straight draw, when the 4 hit the river it was obvious for christs sake!!!

[mrace84]

ship the turn easy game

[steauarak]

@mrace84

He'd probably still get called

[kdgdirk]

1) you were aware of the straightdraw on the flop

2) you didn't hit anything

3) even more chance for a straiht on the river

4) he went all-in

5) you actually use statistics on players to play?

6) after losing all your chips to this "very bad player" you still feel like you should have won this hand?

oh my god!

[pokerstarshark]

What so obvious he has the straight! Your the small fish!

[TheFeyenoordSCF]

You make nice video's Turtle. But it's sad that you promote a program that ruines poker!!

[VinzorBE]

@TheFeyenoordSCF how does it ruin poker? it just tells u thing everyone can calculate themselves at any time but simply automatic instead of manually, if u take a paper, write down their names, and note whatever they do every hand, u have the same result. but it would take too long.

[vidurk]

bad bet on the turn ... you got scared of the jack.

[Hewswed]

i think betting half pot against a fish on the turn was a terrible mistake!

the sad thing that you nearly gave him the odds to call!

i would have gone allin on the turn...

against fish, that wouldnt be a bad move on a board like that.

[dieselboy87]

gotta shove the turn or check-call and make a decision on the river.

[WaspSnG]

Good lord help that player.

[SuntzuMocro]

wauw how could u not put him on a straight draw? so stupid of you....Ur a fish.

[Juntahh]

guy called the whole way, any high pocket pair has u beat and lower pocket pair has a set..... you can only beat a missed flush draw ..... bad way to play Tens

[indiesk8r]

why do you guys call turtleknife and idiot for calling? where are your vids guys? hes reading was pretty damn accurate! Turtlekinfe had him till the river, although the call on the river is questionable at best. I don't see you guys being any better. So STFU!

[Rex0pas]

i would have move all in on the turn with pocket 10s even if that jack felt...he has to pay to hit his draw

[sum418084]

any jack beats u too:)

[1900neila]

what analysis software are you using , the one I c under the full tilt window ?

[sjerseyb856]

missed his draw???? there is 4 cards to a straight on the board lol

[mikeaprice09]

I put him on ace 2 but for him to call that quick or even call on the flop is pathetic..

[holyshitaseagul]

he said from the bat he though he was going for a gut shot...he hit his gut shot, it just wasn't a flush. there was a 4 card straight down, and 1 over card, why would you call? and if you say because of his losing statistics you're an idiot, obviously if he has losing statistics he would be dumb enough to play a ridiculous hand like A2o that far for a gutshot. Title says it all, fish v, fish.

[Maddog1301]

lol stats show nothing you idiot

LEARN POKER

[POKERInAFlash]

probably an error. rofl. not probably. definitely. you called on principle

[TheAlexbout]

i put him on a 2 too how could u call him on that dumbass

[venlosemafia]

I put him on A2o..

What were you thinking, there´s the jack, there´s a straight draw and you think pocket tens is the best hand? Title says all, fish vs fish..

[derenkoff]

A2 or A7

[mrbm1619]

ur all good matty my game pretty much improving thanx!!

[TheODA2005]

just unlucky I would have prob bet the turn more around 1460 but more then often his kind would have called that as well. that river is very hard open end situation.. tuff i would not been able to get away from river prob...so much invested depends on blind lvl and when they go up...if I had more then 30 big blinds prob could have folded...

[tedwilli9]

what program is this guy using?

[Ikoris]

Stack: largest 19910, smallest 600, average 5625 Your current position is 3 out of 12 Time bank balance is 11 seconds in 7 min blinds 100/200 ante 25 For more information see Tournament Lobby

45 person tournament I'm playing right now. - 6 out of 8 times while in big blind (75%) - 1 out of 7 times while in small blind (14%) - 5 out of 34 times in other positions (14%) - a total of 12 out of 49 (24%) Pots won at showdown - 2 of 2 (100%) Pots won without showdown - 7

[therealmcnulty]

Haha, so many hands that beat you. Fold and don't be afraid to check the flop and turn in the future.

[moneytalks2011]

good lord help that player lmao

[VinzorBE]

u had to bet bigger on the turn, but then again, u never know what happens

[777Gerard777]

IMO a typical river suckout to favor the donk :{

I also do not understand WHY you did not even consider that the other guy had a straight after the push from him on the river. Bad bad call, im sorry

BTW Love the JJ video of you :D it awsome

[joyariffic]

that guy got lucky

[TrojanSpike]

your mistake,, all in on the jack.. if you were willing to go that far..

[ErsinYildiz]

..good lord hahahahhahah u got pwnd!!!!

the 4 helped him so much!!!!!!

i would say use your sense instead of statistics.....or any indicators...

[JoeDubs007]

3:58 lololololololol

[le0n881]

Omg what a donk.. ul m8

[Gman9855]

"good lord help this player"......sorry for the beat!

[swingdocta]

that was hilarious dude

[payyap]

from all your information and how bad of a player he is you shoulda known he had the str8....

[derueberbringer]

you mean turtleknife=?

[azhool1]

that guy is fuking donk

[PokerLusiada]

Man those programs puts you in a bad player!

You must be concentrated on the tablbe/players and read them. No stats do it better then you´re self. You said it that it was the begining of the tournament. All in? Offcourse he had an straight.

Bad call man. Only good stats are you reading abilities...

[Muchodelcrazy]

i agree. Also, only human logic could relate to other human's logic.

[Chitzakc]

I lose 2 day's ago a hand similar to this one,2 top pair on flop,and the f.. idiot chase the straigh,I also believe that he chase the flush but it wasn't,200$ cost me that hand if he was in my face,I think I've been kill him!!

[rafaelito1981]

horrible call

[BusterSL]

Fish that shoves on the river = NUTS

[ManicMindTrick]

Nuts? Donk wasent even close to nuts.. :D

[jetblitz]

yes it was asswipe, as soon as the donk bet he had the nuts, nuts does not always the best hand possible...

[mattwc91]

@BusterSL Or top pair

[JeeRaph]

@BusterSL Yah. I lose on shit like that. I always think, he didn't play that hand. Maybe he's just overvaluing. Nope. Nuts everytime.

[robswift008]

@BusterSL not always true,total donks will chase flush draws and then shove on the river when they miss seen it loads of times

[precious32879]

u thought he missed his draw ? board is 3 4 5 6, makes a big bet on he river,should be pretty obv he has ATLEAST a pair of jacks

[synthaxerror007]

these tracking and profiling programs should be banned

[Pavs1983]

true

[flemwad]

open ender+total fish=trouble

[sjerseyb856]

agreed

[chrisb1469]

l2p stats dont make anyone a good or bad player its just a history of hands played any hand can be played along those guidelines or comletely different on any given hand

[shadowsofdream]

haha follow the rules...and fold

[CaptainRass]

The only thing that should indicate that he had the checkmark was the fact that the other play called the pre-flop raise. Once the flop came, it destroyed the possibility of a strong starting hand winning. But after the straight draw hit the table and the other player insta-called his bet he should have grown suspicious and either pushed before the river, or checked it down. He had folding equity by the river. . . Should have talked himself out of it.

[OSHUNLIDE]

wow, that other player is a fish.

[Roshibear]

He totally talked himself into a bad call. Players like that may very well call crazy bets on draws, but seldomly do they push all in after missing it. His rational was screwy. A player that bad wouldn't have pushed all in that quickly had he missed, he should have folded-- well he should have pushed the turn, however after making that mistake he should have folded.

[Pingu123489]

3 4 5 6 ... i see how he got a lucky hand lol

[dalilprofessa109]

LOL @ that A 2... holy shit.. who plays A 2 in the first place?

[HiveDes]

if you really thought he was on a draw you probably should have just pushed the turn, especially if you're going to call a river bet

[xbb13x]

but ther is the chance if he pushed on the turn the guy could of had a jack

[airrick]

he stated he should of raised more , ( it was a semi mistake )

[demco84]

tghats some sick shit....people are idiots and tell me im bad because i don't have strong numberson shark scope...but no one checks those graphs....oh well

too many fish and donks in this game...they should ALWAYS lose

[GaeasBlessing]

I actually thought he had J7 off suit since that is exactly what my opponent had the last time I was in this same situation against a donk who called a raise pre flop.

[qwertyu121]

LMAO "ill prob call is all in here(player pushes all in)... oh!"

[Russian5]

It wasn't much of a mistake imo, you just got donked.

[CaTeJIuT]

bigger bet on the turn mate

[clarbads06]

lol u got pwned

[mvogt]

That´s why I play cash games. :D

I think your thought process was ok, but I think you put him on a way to thin range. You convinced yourself that there were pretty much only flush draws in his range and you played the hand well if your read had been right. The small bet on the turn was a good line to leave him with money to bluff and indicates weakness so he is tempted to bluff the river.

[pistou9]

I would have done the same probably. he is an idiot for sure.

[hurny]

How could you not put him on A2?

[skarules111]

did seem pretty obvious, donks LOVE messing around with A,rag. and chase seemingly impossible draws. but if your getting cold decked all game and you spot a donk raking all the chips with gutshots it does tend to get you off your game.

[3StevieD]

@hurny with the 6 on board it means that even if he hits his 4, his only card in play is a 2... therefore, any 7 beats him... most people would spot that its unlikely that your not gonna hit the 4, and even if you didnt it stil might not be good... and consequently would fold to the bet...

even the call preflop was questionable, hes probably dominated if he calls a raise with A2... that guy was a true fish

[normenac]

@hurny shut the hell up you stupid bitch, theres no way you can put him on a2 there, the guy calling with a2 just an absolute fucking donk, and a god awful player, and spiked a 4 outer for a gutshot dumbass. the last hand your putting him on there is a stupid gutshot a2 draw. its just a god awful player and its a small tiny buy in tournament so all the players suck ass and call down with garbage like this. how could you be that retarded to even possibly suggest he put him on a2 there. idiot.

[guusknelissen]

@normenac we'd put him on A2 BECAUSE he is a fish, he could easily keep on calling with any 2 or 7 in his hand, or a 4. There is also the J on the turn which could easily beat the tens although it's not really is his range.

[janetsoffdahook]

full tilt is full of those...fishes that just can't CAN'T fold...like when someone told me "all 5 cards count" meaning the community cards.

[pogo182]

LOLOL "good lord"

[EGarrett01]

I know the feeling. With the 4-card straight out there I was begging you to lay it down though.

[TurnerPresents]

Could of folded the River but i understand you only had 1300 chips and given his crazy stats i don't think its that big of an error. In saying that it was an error but not a big one. I didn't like the 560 bet on the turn after you did the same on the flop but that player probably wasnt going to fold any bet.

At the end of the day you didnt do anything too wrong until the river where he got extremely lucky