I agree with Mark because here in Romania and in east Europe we have this alot. The woman is even worse that what mark is sayng:shut up, make children, cook,clean, isolation, at his disposal, no time for her, no vacation, no jewlery(wedding ring),only dress( no pants=sin),no right to talk or say something in church or gatherings, she comes second and most from all she needs to be readyall thre time when he wants sex,take care of children alone, wear head top all times in prayers and church,etc.
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Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as it is fit in the Lord.
The scriptures says wife submit yourself unto your own husband as it fit in the Lord (Lord Jesus Chris that is). NOTE, that it did not say husband submit your wife unto you. It's not the husband job to make his wive submit, a woman of God ought to willful submit to her own husband. Don't marry a rebellious woman, run!
Husbands, love your wives, and be not bitter against them.
Now looking at those texts in their entirety, I believe that God is fair and just ~ He would not ask women to do such a thing like submit & men and let the men free treat their wives anyhow!
@619Terbz Yes you are absolutely correct, there's a way which a man must conduct himself unto his wife, and it's a huge responsibility one only a man of God through Christ Jesus can do. The man must love his wife as Jesus Christ loves his church, he must live and die to protect her. THIS IS A HUGE TASK! This is why Christians are not to marry a non-believer in God and Christ; nevertheless a follower of Christ must perform what the scriptures says even if their spouse fail to follow theirs.
I always hear pastors skip over the wives submit verses, say that's been covered enough in the past, and start talking about what the men are supposed to do. Then the wives never hear any practical teaching on submission. I hear that a lot more than teaching wives to submit.
Submissive people will submit, those who are born leaders and the "doers" of this world may be male or female. No one has to conform to some antiquated mythology. It is called freedom and the pursuit of happiness. Each to his or her own!
BOY. HOW DID I HEAR THIS GROWING UP IN THE BIBLE BELT. I HEARD SO MUCH IN THIS SECTION OF THE COUNTRY THAT WAS AWFUL, CONFUSING, HARMFUL, INCORRECT, AND DOWNRIGHT HUMILIATING. I AM VERY SURPRISED BY HIS COMMENTS BECAUSE I NEVER HEARD THAT FROM ANY OF THE MEN , PRIEST,RABBI,MINISTER WHO PREACHED.
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It seems to me that this idea of submission only works if the dynamic is traditional. But seeing that most women leave 8 to 10 weeks after the birth of a baby to return to work. In the workplace she is rewarded for her achievements and is promoted the same as her male counterparts. As she should be. You men just gave up your role as head. You like her paycheck and the new truck you drive. But you want her subordinate? Nope! :)Me I am for mutual submission. Whether she stays home or works.
That career obsession for women is unnatural and highly destructive.
It destroys all kind of admiration and respect a woman may have for a man ,especially the husband.
God did not made women to be men's rivals but men's HELPMEET.
Saturating workplace with women is a trap ,an awful trap. Now women have come to hate men. I'm not surprised by that . You can't call a man 'my lord' if you feel 'superior' to him.
You look on the surface of things ,not the inside.
@framboise595 So basically women should just "shut up and put out" -- A woman's only purpose is to serve a man and have babies? No career goals, passions, etc.... Yeah, that sounds like a nice life. Thank you God!
The woman has been created FOR the man ,to meet his needs and help him.
Career goal make women selfish . A woman is to stand by her man and want the best for HIM . If he has a career goal ,his wife will cheer him up and will HELP him go up. A man's success is often due to a woman believing in him and his abilities. If he succeds ,she will also benefit from it . The reverse is not true. You just have to consider the breaking up of families by educated selfish women.
@framboise595 (2/2) How does education break up families? I see plenty of families with both parents educated and in careers - how are families ruined? Basically, you're saying a woman's life should be of servitude - no other hopes or desires but those of her husband. That sounds beyond selfish. Men viewing women as nothing but breeders and doormats that should cater only to their wants is freaking selfish. Yet, the woman always gets the blame. Laughable!
How does female education break families ?? Well , look around you and OPEN your eyes ! Divorces are everywhere ,there is no stability anymore. Women only destroy when they don't give themselves entirely.
@framboise595 Divorce? I assume you're saying that if women were uneducated and submissive there would be no divorces? You may be right.. because doormats aren't going to get up and walk away. They are going stay miserable in a marriage. If the woman is lacking in skills and education how will she survive - that will prevent her from divorcing. Dumb and submissive - that isn't a pretty picture of marriage no matter how you try to paint it.
It is WOMEN who divorce and destroy because they have NO respect at all for men and for marriage.
Career women are the most obnoxious ones because with their so called education ,they RULE OVER their husbands and scorn them .They don't regard them as the head of the family but they just usurp his authority.
@framboise595 (1) People divorce for many reasons, as they should be able to. I wouldn't want a man or woman to be trapped in a marriage with a difficult, cheating, lying, or abusive spouse.
@framboise595 (2) I rather be dumb and "unsubmissive", at least this dummy can see men shouldn't have rule over women. At least I can see how crazy it is to deny women dreams, passions or goals and tell them that their only purpose in life is to sit at home waiting for the man to follow his passions and goals. Big, happy dummy right here! I support education, equality, and respect for women - yep, yep, yep just a big ol' dummy!!
Your comments just show how dumb and foolish women have become to go as far as not respecting
the head of the family longer. You just show that women have no sense of hierarchy or authority at all. Men know that no team can function without a head ,but of course we women don't ..we are too stupid ,aren't we ? How can it be so ? It's really shameful to our gender.
Career men STRENGTHEN their families ,career women just DESTROY them.
@framboise595 (3) I don't know what other women think, I only speak for myself. I don't have a sense of 'hierarchy or authority' because I don't believe in it. Men are not my superiors. I can respect my partner without devaluing myself. I believe in two people leading together and it does work in relationships. As for women being stupid I would say it's just the ones that believe in submission and think women should sacrifice their lives to serve men. It's just shameful!
Mutual submission is also a malicious trap. You want the reason ? women NEVER can submit to a man who submits to her ! NEVER can a woman submit or just respect the man she dominates. Women come to depise deeply the man the dominate.
That equality bullshit forced upon us doesn't care of what really is inside our identities. So everything collapses.
@framboise595 You couldn't be more ill informed. The man in my life and I have been together for 3 years and "submission" or whatever you choose to label it as goes both ways. There are times in which I know to just shut up and let him think he's right, or whatever the reason, and likewise, he knows there are times and situations that he needs to shut up and give in. And you know that he says to me daily?I love it, I can't get enough of the balance we have with each other." And it's VERY mutual.
@whitn3yyy Your testimony only confirms what I said ! If your man judges that you 're right and let you do what you want ,it's not yourself who usurps authority ,it is HIM who lets you . As long as men are in control and have the final say ,there is nothing wrong about it. The man is the HEAD ,never forget this.
@framboise595 LOL I just read him your comment and he said, "Oh no, I know better"....that's right, he does. I don't control him, he doesn't control me, and our love grows daily. The problem is that people can't accept that the bible is open to PERCEPTION..how YOU take "submission" mentionings is not how I take them, and how I take them is different than how the next person will. You live your life under a man, and I'll live my life beside one. Bye!
@framboise595 Does a man respect the woman that submits to him? Why can't a woman respect the man that submits to her? Does the man eventually despise the woman or it's okay for women to submit because their lowly anyway? You call equality bullshit but the idea of superiority is bullshit. The ideal that women want men to dominate them and that they should be happy in submission is bullshit. You only believe it is natural because you have been lead to think so.
I haven't been led to think so ,I have EXPERIMENTED myself in my own marital life and in what other female friends have told me. Any woman deep inside want a dominant man. Man is the head and it will always be so.
YES precisely not only does a man respect the woman that submits to him but he LOVES her. Men CAN love a woman who submit and follow and show him that we he says or does has impact on her ,but never can women love a man they dominate. They will always think that he's a doormat and he's not strong enough to resist her.
Men are women are deeply different in their expectations.
@framboise595 (1/1) A submissive man is a doormat? What is the submissive woman? She is a doormat also. Why is it okay for women to be doormats and weak.... because of what? I just don't get how a woman can view being weak and inferior as a good thing. Sorry, I don't understand and will never view it as good. You shouldn't speak as if you know what is in every woman's mind/heart.
Christianity seems to focus on women and submission in marriage. But not so much on 1 Timothy 5:8. Why is that? Even good christian men can fall short of that scripture or expectation. But we don't want to talk about that. Only the sin of women not being submissive. Double standard? Maybe? :)
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Most young men in America have been feminized by secular culture to the point that they are submissive to women. In the vast majority of marriages in the US the woman leads. The youngest generations of men especially are so appallingly nice' to women that even women are finding these "men" contemptible. Yet woman and feminism did this! Incidentally those few actual Men who are still around and see through the brainwashing find the over bearing, manipulating generation of women unsuitable wives.
"When I was a child, I talked like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child. When I became a man, I put childish ways behind me."1 cor 13:11
D problem with most marriages is dat physically "matured" people who still think like children marry. Both men & women need 2grow up & die of their selfishness.PERIOD! Most women don't even know d meaning of submission & men too don't know what it means to love like Christ yet each party wants d other 2 do their parts! Grow up & act ur age!
I think that most men and women go into marriage thinking that they should be served rather than serve...."it's all about me me me me me me".....marriage is just a smaller version of the church, women submit to your husbands, men love your wife..it's so simple, why do people make things so difficult? I will submit to my husband because I want to please him and serve him and he loves me by giving himself to me just as Christ did...why do people twist the truth?
If a man listens to God, he would in fact make good decisions and that's why my future husband has to be a Fire-filled Christian...would he always make the right choices? No. Why? Because we are all humans. Trust me, I think life is easier if a woman submits to her husband..It just makes it easier; there is less tension and drama in the house! We know our places and there is more love, respect, and understanding!
Submission doesn't mean dat when am angry with my husband, I should just shut up and allow him 2 walk over me but rather giving him respect nt only bcoz he is my husband but bcoz my heavenly father expects me 2 respect him. If I don't like wot my husband is doing, I should b able 2 let him know, in some cases he might not change bcoz only God can really change some1. Submission is puttng my husband 1st and I see dat d more u submit 2 some1 d greater chances of dem changng coz dey see Christ in u
I don't think submission means obsessive control and abusive display of strength (a man that does that has insecurity and needs to get over himself). But as d head, d husband is d leader of d home and has d ultimate say of what happens in d home. Why? Because he makes d decisions. D woman makes suggestions and he listens to them but he is responsible for setting out d vision for d home. This has nothing 2 do with controlling or anything but everything 2 do with responsibility & roles in d home.
Sincerely speaking, it's easier 2 submit 2 a Western christian guy (not all though but most) bcoz he would treat me better-not dat am sayng all men 4rm my country need a maid as a wife but most do & bcoz a Westerner doesn't expect it, it just makes it easier to submit. I don't think submittg is a choice.It is rather a commandment just like lovng your wife is in d Bible! Submission is often seen as a "bad" word but it really isn't! At least my parents modeled a wot a great marriage should be.
"You had the right to leave your husband biblicaly only because he cheated on you "
Do you spread that heresy all over the modern church ?? There is NO justification for divorce in God's eyes .
That selfish rights obsession is destroying the church. It's all about" ME ME OH POOR ME and my so wicked husband "! NO difference with the modern godless and selfish world.
What about FORGIVENESS ? Are modern women too weak or /and too selfish to FORGIVE ?
I'd like to know HOW people who read the Bible can state that husbands should submit to their wives ?? What a heresy ! Does Christ submit to His church ???
NEVER do women submit to a man who submits to them ! They automatically take the upper hand and feel scornful. Equality is the greatest lie given to brainless and godless masses.
Women can't have the slightest respect or admiration for the man who submits to them .
But sure ,modern christians know more than God Himself ...
@framboise595 I agree with some of the things you say however, somethings I do not. The Bible say a woman should submit to her husband...I believe in submission and it in fact makes marriage better however where I do not agree with you is the equality part. If you talk about "equality" at least in terms of role i.e the man is the head of the family; in this case I would call it differences in roles then I would agree that the man is the head of the family.
@framboise595 however if you talk about "equality" in terms of a man being intellectually higher/ better or in any form apart from the fact that he is physically stronger then a woman then I would disagree . A woman is intellectually and in other ways equal to a man however not equal physically-that's why God calls us the weaker vessels. If all these is what you believe then I would agree with you, if not then I am not totally convinced and I will never be!
Is there any man in the entire western world that actually expects a wife to "SHUT UP AND PUT OUT"?
In the US feminized, modern wives expect husbands to shut up, do what they're told and keep bringing home the pay check or else end up destroyed in divorce court! The modern American woman is commonly a succubus at heart. Selfish, manipulative, controlling, dishonest and single men know it.
Search online "why young men are avoiding marriage" and see for yourself.
@embracingreality Just a quick question...what is your definition of submission...I really want to know. If he doesn't expect her to shut up and put out, then what does it mean to submit because I really think both men and women don't know what that word means. Am not putting you in the corner...am a lady and i really want to know how men define submission...
@ddfrisky Glad you asked. In every relationship between a man and a woman (especially marriage) there will come decisions and the two simply cannot agree. Even if each works toward compromise impasses will come. Right? So who decides? Wifely submission is God's orderly design here, someone has to have authority or there will be disorder, chaos.
Typically here is when women manipulate. Phony emotional displays, withholding sex. He submits to her, she no longer respects him. Marriage in America..
@embracingreality okay dat makes sense. I don't see anything wrong with submission -boz in my country, some people made it sound lyk I have to kneel down 2 serve my husband, wake up as early as 4am, wash his cloths, massage his back, "give him a bath if possible", cook for him, arrange the house, and still look pretty while doing it!!THAT IS SLAVERY IN DISGUISE !!! L.O.L!!I really don't see why submission/love is a problem in America seriously! I think it's an attack from the Devil. Just saying.
@ddfrisky Ha, ha. That scenario of slavery you described sounds like the way husbands in America are treated. Commonly wives in America treat husbands like they're foolish children. Talk down to him, tell him what to do, where to go and when. Many men are emasculated nice' guys that would make a better door mat than a man. The reason why is 40 years of radical feminist brain washing and thats why most women in the America are single and will remain so. Even Christian men are losing interest.
@embracingreality W.O.W..thanks for the information! In my country you could NEVER EVER imagine a man being submissive to a woman-and I think that's why marriages last long. Ha! I can't just imagine a submissive husband....It's just over the top!!
@ddfrisky Unfortunately in America most marriages end in divorce and when they do the ex-wives get primary custody of the children, most of the family assets like the house. The ex-husband however is still expected to continue to pay, this is especially true if the wife did not work outside the home during the marriage. Women have all the power legally, socially in a marriage consequently many single men are just choosing to avoid it and why the population in western nations are shrinking.
St Paul refers to godly men in the image of Christ the bridegroom. If wives do not submit to men in the Christian context of Christ (bridegroom) women (Bride which is the Church) then women will be submitting to the devil. Simple as that.
Even 'Christian ' women can turn aside after Satan. The way is easy :t hey just have to rebel against their husband and wear the pants on behalf of the devilish ' equality' lie that plagues our Western world.
Men just have to be strong enough and not whimps not to let such things happen.
Female rebelion is already within the church . It's gonna be harder for men to find a righteous Christian woman as Sarah.
No wonder why so many divorces in 'modern' feminized churches.
@framboise595 Donc en gros tu nous demande de la fermer, de nous laisser faire et d'accepter d'être réduite au rôle de femme de ménage décorative, comme il le dit si bien dans son analyse, c'est bien ça?
Je ne demande rien. Je ne fais que respecter ce que Dieu nous demande.
Je doute que tu sois chrétienne vu le ton que tu emploies. La soumission féminine que Dieu demande n'est pas ce que tu crois. Elle est constructive et permet d'apporter paix et harmonie au foyer. Qu'entends-tu par "la fermer" ? L'homme est le chef ,laissons le décider ,avoir le dernier mot ,ce qui n'empêche pas de lui donner notre avis ou des suggestions qui peuvent s'avérer fort utiles.
@framboise595 J'ai le droit de ne pas être chrétienne, ce n'est pas un crime. Je respecte beaucoup les personnes religieuses et je trouve qu'il y a beaucoup de préceptes qui mériteraient d'être mieux suivis, qu'il s'agisse du Christianisme ou de l'Islam. Mais j'aime aussi remettre en question, ne serait-ce que pour mieux comprendre.
Quand à la soumission, j'estime qu'une vraie femme est avant tout une adulte responsable des ses actes et de ses choix, et non une servante jetable.
Qui t'as dit d'être une "servante jetable" ?? Je te parle de suivre celui qui est le chef du foyer. Sache également que Dieu a horreur des hommes qui répudient leur femme. Il hait le divorce.
L'insoumission féminine telle qu'elle est prônée de nos jours ne fait qu' engendrer des conflits inutiles et détruire la paix au sein du foyer. La femme se dresse contre son mari à la moindre occasion. De cela aussi Dieu a horreur.
@framboise595 Et que dit ce Seigneur des hommes qui battent leurs femmes, les trompent et exigent une soumission totale malgré tout ça? Pcq, si soumission il doit y avoir, il s'agit sans doute de tout laisser passer, ne jamais rien dire et tout accepter, même les choses les plus horribles.C'est ça la soumission. Ou alors explique davantage.
De plus, en quoi est-ce qu'une femme qui prend ses responsabilités et les assume est une source de conflits?
Tu verras que le Seigneur attend de la femme une soumission totale certes ,mais de l'homme un amour sacrificiel pour sa femme ,à l'image de Jésus-Christ qui s'est donné Lui-même pour Son église.
Il s'agit pour l'homme de mettre à profit sa virilité de la meilleure façon qui soit pour sa famille :défense ,protection ,direction ,autorité etc...
J' ai répondu à une partie de ta question en te parlant de l'amour sacrificiel de l'homme pour sa femme.
Pour le reste ,je n'ai pas le temps pour le moment. Si tu veux ,je te répondrai en privé quand je le pourrai afin de pouvoir un peu plus m'étaler sur le sujet (commentaires trop limités ici ).
Il faut un chef dans une famille ,comme dans toute équipe non ? Alors ,fais preuve d'intelligence . S'il y a un chef , il attend d'être suivi et obéi . La femme qui accepte de devenir son épouse est celle qui le suivra ,qui l'honorera ,l'admirera .Il se sentira fort car respecté et écouté.
C'est bien aussi ce que Christ attend de Son église.
Apprends à connaitre le Seigneur et n'écoute pas les mensonges de ce monde perdu.
Ecoute les conseils de Dieu , plus précieux que l'or fin
The husband is the head of the household and the family is to obey and follow him.
Sarah ,Abraham's wife is cited as a reference for any Christian woman . She is regarded by God as a holy woman for she called her husband My lord and obeyed him.
Women are rebel . Eve proved it in Eden. All that "abusive husband" stuff is just bullshit to excuse sin , for Adam was not "abusive" and yet Eve REFUSED to submit to him .She prefered follow the DEVIL. That's what women do today.
Submitting doesn't mean the same as abuse.Wives and husbands should submit to one another but that doesn't mean they should be controlling and abusive towards each other.They should submit when reasonable requests are asked.Husbands and wives are a team.It's morally wrong for husbands and wives to be controlling and abusive.
I"m reading some of these comments in disgust. Men and Women are equal in the Lords eyes. The advice given is to address our specific natures. I liked Crowsfamily comments a few posts back. My favorite NT verse is "Neither is the Man without the Women nor the Woman without the Man in the Lord." We need each other. Our natures gives us certain duties that we are best at, but without the other's gifts, we are incomplete.
@andrassygilicze - No where did I state I teach my girls to leave their husbands IF they do not submit. I teach my girls to PICK a mate that follows the ENTIRE word of God, to take their time and learn him BEFORE marriage. AND to follow every word of God. IF you had actually read what I posted, you would see I teach them to submit to their HUSBANDS. Husbands are the head of the household. Re-read Prov 31 post. However, ABUSE, was the part I spoke against. Different subject than submission.
@proudfemale i concur absolutely. i don't understand how people don't realize subordination DOES imply inferiority, no matter how hard you try to justify it. no human should have to be subjugated. slaves, too, were subjugated. you submit to each other in perfect equilibrium, none of that authority/leadership nonsense. ahh, the times, the times. people have finally flown off the handle.
@proudfemale There exist Christians who ARE wise enough to read and understand the FULL message of love in their own doctrine and hence DO understand that inequality is wrong. It is the depravity of the human mind that causes men to corruptly exploit their wives by biasedly expounding particular portions of passages. The full message of love given in the Bible is actually a wonderful and fair thing. Stating that "religious males" are insecure is a blatant generalism. Equality is correct.
@Jackievip - I have been raped. I too am a single mom who was beaten and mentally abused and cheated on for several years.I looked up one day and had nothing. But I had the power to leave. I REFUSE to let him have the power to change who I am. I teach my girls to be strong women who make wise decisions by choosing men who are kind, gentle, close to God, and wise. They will not submit to a man who will not submit to them as well. Today, I am strong. My girls will be stronger & choose wisely.
I strive to be a Proverbs 31 woman. However, I cannot be a Proverbs 31 wife without a Proverbs 31 husband. A Proverbs 31 wife is strong. She does not whine about being repressed. She takes care of business and her family loves her for it. She is not a doormat. Her husband could not and would not praise her if she let him mentally or physically abuse her or her children. However, she is a submissive wife. We know this because the Bible does NOT contradict itself. Be a woman, be strong.
To be submissive it NOT to be a doormat. It takes a strong woman to submit to her husband in the right way. If that husband is abusive or damaging in ANY way, the woman MUST stand up against this. A wise woman will pick a man who is of like mind with a kind heart. By choosing the wrong man, she cannot submit, & he can't love her. A good man will respect and love you. If he loves you, he'll submit too. Women hold the power to a good relationship.
It appears that the totality of this passage is being overlooked. The 1st verse Eph 5:21 states, "Submit yourselves one to another." Listen to Mr. Gungor's entire message (these are only small postings). Women are told to submit because we tend not to. Husbands tend to let us run the show because it's easier ("If Mama ain't happy, nobody's happy.") Husbands are told to LOVE their wives because it goes against their nature. Men tend to be less loving. Love & submit to EACH OTHER = Marriage.
The Bible clearly states the man is the head of the home. If you believe obeying the Bible is related to an "ego trip" you've missed the point. Wow, your husband deserves a medal for putting up with you!
@Ransin63 I totally agree with you...and sincerely speaking I think the problem with women (at least talking for myself) is that we are scared to submit ourselves to our future husband/present because back in our minds we think that "he would take advantage of that fact"....Of course he would if he is a JERK.That's why u date before marriage to know who you are getting married to. At some point I really had to face the truth-It is a commandment and my heavenly father expects me to obey!
Oh by the way I have also been married almost 20 years. So something must be right when I believe in mutual submission. I am not the head nor is my husband. Being his equal but different. He and I are partners in our life together. One no more than the other. Submitting to each others needs, respecting each others right to maintain personhood in all decisions, and both making an effort to find a middle ground. That is what I have found is the secret to a good marriage.
Finally. I am no study person of every scripture. But in my humble opinion God meant woman to stand next to man. Not ahead and not behind. Maybe the story of Eve being created from the rib of Adam could be symbolic. That Eve was to be beside Adam. And that Adam was to see her as his equal. Man's sin nature interpreted scripture for woman to submit. God never whispered in my ear that hubby had the final word in all things. Mutual submission is what we practice in our christian home. :)
I know that my last sentence in the previous post may come very harsh. But a women I mean a mature women will not be as loving behind the bedroom door. If the man in her life only values and treats her as a women in the most intimate parts of your life together. But she is to submit in everything else outside of the door. She is held no higher than her children in the aspect of respect and equality. Which makes that other part in the marriage seem more like incest.
A man's mentality is one of respect when dealing with peers in church, at work, and or their friends. Why is a man's wife any less due the same respect.? Her opinions, parenting, and ideas should be just as equal to his. If a women is put into a submissive position in the home or church, having to submit to him being the final word. Then she well be just another child. And any women who allows that might well be just having maritial relations with her father.
I am a good christian woman. But don't believe in submission to a man. To ask a women to be in a submissive position is to take her rights away as an equal. Regardless of whether you have a good man or troubled man. There are more than likely children involved. And a mother that is in a submissive role cannot protect her children. If a man truly loves you and respect you as an equal he wouldn't want you in a submissive role to him.
I believe that the husband is the head of his wife. Women just need to not pick an idiot and if they wind up with one by mistake that mistreats them then get a divorce. My parents have been married almost 32 years and she is an intelligent woman with a mind of her own. He is the head of our house but he treats her with love and respect. He is a minister himself and they always told me be careful who you marry.
Let me understand you. Your husband is head of your home. He is the final say. You are to submit to his authority? So this is what you would tell your daughter? As long as she is single she is allowed to have her own thoughts, ideas, and ways of doing things. But after she marries she now comes under the authority of her husband. Isn't that kinda of a mind screw? Are sons told the same thing? Talk about a ego trip for men. But we do live in a sinful world. This way of thinking proves it.
@sherber75 You missed the point. A real husband listens to his wife and respects who she is what she has to say. He listens, not just controls. Otherwise there is no love and mutual respect. Where there is no love there is no real marriage. Some people need to get over themselves and just respect other's opinions. I respect your point of view, so respect mine.
@Jackievip Then you're not doing it right. Anyone who has been married for a while will agree it is work. I don't think anyone is saying it is easy. But, it is worth it, if you use wisdom.
@CrowsFamily Ow please. Trow some bible verses at me , maybe if a man rapes you to you'd feel otherwise. I always give I ended up with a depression. HE left with my stuf my money saying lies and cheating and i'm a single mom alone. Its only works if both put god first and if Both are givers. THe reality is that there just are people without good intentions. I believe in Marriage and God and being faitfull and submissive. Its not healthy in an extreme.I stil have to respect me, wich i'm starting
Except that the Bible nowhere teaches that a man is the "head" of the household, as in "authority." Anybody who bothers to look it up in the Greek instead of relying on biased translators knows that.
@wirlyone if you believe in the fictional work known as "the bible" you would understand where it came from. versions of it were translated out of the original latin text. since you're already on the internet...why don't you...open up another tab and educate yourself? buddy.
I had heard a very great analogy of submission. Submission is voluntarily & decisively learning to duck. If the man is the head of the house, and the woman learns to duck... he'll get hit instead of her. :-)
I agree with Mark because here in Romania and in east Europe we have this alot. The woman is even worse that what mark is sayng:shut up, make children, cook,clean, isolation, at his disposal, no time for her, no vacation, no jewlery(wedding ring),only dress( no pants=sin),no right to talk or say something in church or gatherings, she comes second and most from all she needs to be readyall thre time when he wants sex,take care of children alone, wear head top all times in prayers and church,etc.
moldcatalin 2 weeks ago
First find out if he is someone you CAN submit to
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agodsend624 2 months ago
Ephesians 5:22
Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord.
Colossians 3:18
Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as it is fit in the Lord.
The scriptures says wife submit yourself unto your own husband as it fit in the Lord (Lord Jesus Chris that is). NOTE, that it did not say husband submit your wife unto you. It's not the husband job to make his wive submit, a woman of God ought to willful submit to her own husband. Don't marry a rebellious woman, run!
Xeonxtreme 2 months ago
@Xeonxtreme I do agree with you on a fair bit of what you said. Interestingly enough, got these here as well (in the same passages):
Eph 5:25
Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it;
Col 3:19
Husbands, love your wives, and be not bitter against them.
Now looking at those texts in their entirety, I believe that God is fair and just ~ He would not ask women to do such a thing like submit & men and let the men free treat their wives anyhow!
619Terbz 2 months ago
@619Terbz Yes you are absolutely correct, there's a way which a man must conduct himself unto his wife, and it's a huge responsibility one only a man of God through Christ Jesus can do. The man must love his wife as Jesus Christ loves his church, he must live and die to protect her. THIS IS A HUGE TASK! This is why Christians are not to marry a non-believer in God and Christ; nevertheless a follower of Christ must perform what the scriptures says even if their spouse fail to follow theirs.
Xeonxtreme 2 months ago
I always hear pastors skip over the wives submit verses, say that's been covered enough in the past, and start talking about what the men are supposed to do. Then the wives never hear any practical teaching on submission. I hear that a lot more than teaching wives to submit.
SaudaraLink 3 months ago
Who are the pastors that teach this?
SaudaraLink 3 months ago
Submissive people will submit, those who are born leaders and the "doers" of this world may be male or female. No one has to conform to some antiquated mythology. It is called freedom and the pursuit of happiness. Each to his or her own!
jones6119 3 months ago
WHOOOOOOOOOO HOOOOOOOOOOOO THANK YOU JESUS!!! (coming from Wichita Kansas!!!
TheVintageMe 3 months ago
BOY. HOW DID I HEAR THIS GROWING UP IN THE BIBLE BELT. I HEARD SO MUCH IN THIS SECTION OF THE COUNTRY THAT WAS AWFUL, CONFUSING, HARMFUL, INCORRECT, AND DOWNRIGHT HUMILIATING. I AM VERY SURPRISED BY HIS COMMENTS BECAUSE I NEVER HEARD THAT FROM ANY OF THE MEN , PRIEST,RABBI,MINISTER WHO PREACHED.
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FeminismIsRespect 5 months ago
It seems to me that this idea of submission only works if the dynamic is traditional. But seeing that most women leave 8 to 10 weeks after the birth of a baby to return to work. In the workplace she is rewarded for her achievements and is promoted the same as her male counterparts. As she should be. You men just gave up your role as head. You like her paycheck and the new truck you drive. But you want her subordinate? Nope! :)Me I am for mutual submission. Whether she stays home or works.
sherber75 5 months ago
@sherber75
That career obsession for women is unnatural and highly destructive.
It destroys all kind of admiration and respect a woman may have for a man ,especially the husband.
God did not made women to be men's rivals but men's HELPMEET.
Saturating workplace with women is a trap ,an awful trap. Now women have come to hate men. I'm not surprised by that . You can't call a man 'my lord' if you feel 'superior' to him.
You look on the surface of things ,not the inside.
framboise595 5 months ago
@framboise595 So basically women should just "shut up and put out" -- A woman's only purpose is to serve a man and have babies? No career goals, passions, etc.... Yeah, that sounds like a nice life. Thank you God!
ImNotRacistImBias 5 months ago
@ImNotRacistImBias
The woman has been created FOR the man ,to meet his needs and help him.
Career goal make women selfish . A woman is to stand by her man and want the best for HIM . If he has a career goal ,his wife will cheer him up and will HELP him go up. A man's success is often due to a woman believing in him and his abilities. If he succeds ,she will also benefit from it . The reverse is not true. You just have to consider the breaking up of families by educated selfish women.
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ImNotRacistImBias 5 months ago
@framboise595 (2/2) How does education break up families? I see plenty of families with both parents educated and in careers - how are families ruined? Basically, you're saying a woman's life should be of servitude - no other hopes or desires but those of her husband. That sounds beyond selfish. Men viewing women as nothing but breeders and doormats that should cater only to their wants is freaking selfish. Yet, the woman always gets the blame. Laughable!
ImNotRacistImBias 5 months ago
@ImNotRacistImBias
How does female education break families ?? Well , look around you and OPEN your eyes ! Divorces are everywhere ,there is no stability anymore. Women only destroy when they don't give themselves entirely.
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@framboise595 Divorce? I assume you're saying that if women were uneducated and submissive there would be no divorces? You may be right.. because doormats aren't going to get up and walk away. They are going stay miserable in a marriage. If the woman is lacking in skills and education how will she survive - that will prevent her from divorcing. Dumb and submissive - that isn't a pretty picture of marriage no matter how you try to paint it.
ImNotRacistImBias 5 months ago
@ImNotRacistImBias
It is WOMEN who divorce and destroy because they have NO respect at all for men and for marriage.
Career women are the most obnoxious ones because with their so called education ,they RULE OVER their husbands and scorn them .They don't regard them as the head of the family but they just usurp his authority.
Dumb and unsubmissive.
framboise595 5 months ago
@framboise595 (1) People divorce for many reasons, as they should be able to. I wouldn't want a man or woman to be trapped in a marriage with a difficult, cheating, lying, or abusive spouse.
ImNotRacistImBias 5 months ago
@framboise595 (2) I rather be dumb and "unsubmissive", at least this dummy can see men shouldn't have rule over women. At least I can see how crazy it is to deny women dreams, passions or goals and tell them that their only purpose in life is to sit at home waiting for the man to follow his passions and goals. Big, happy dummy right here! I support education, equality, and respect for women - yep, yep, yep just a big ol' dummy!!
ImNotRacistImBias 5 months ago
@ImNotRacistImBias
Your comments just show how dumb and foolish women have become to go as far as not respecting
the head of the family longer. You just show that women have no sense of hierarchy or authority at all. Men know that no team can function without a head ,but of course we women don't ..we are too stupid ,aren't we ? How can it be so ? It's really shameful to our gender.
Career men STRENGTHEN their families ,career women just DESTROY them.
framboise595 5 months ago
@framboise595 (3) I don't know what other women think, I only speak for myself. I don't have a sense of 'hierarchy or authority' because I don't believe in it. Men are not my superiors. I can respect my partner without devaluing myself. I believe in two people leading together and it does work in relationships. As for women being stupid I would say it's just the ones that believe in submission and think women should sacrifice their lives to serve men. It's just shameful!
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@framboise595 (4) We can go in circles and never agree......
ImNotRacistImBias 5 months ago
@sherber75
Mutual submission is also a malicious trap. You want the reason ? women NEVER can submit to a man who submits to her ! NEVER can a woman submit or just respect the man she dominates. Women come to depise deeply the man the dominate.
That equality bullshit forced upon us doesn't care of what really is inside our identities. So everything collapses.
That's what we see nowadays.
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sherber75 5 months ago
@framboise595 You couldn't be more ill informed. The man in my life and I have been together for 3 years and "submission" or whatever you choose to label it as goes both ways. There are times in which I know to just shut up and let him think he's right, or whatever the reason, and likewise, he knows there are times and situations that he needs to shut up and give in. And you know that he says to me daily?I love it, I can't get enough of the balance we have with each other." And it's VERY mutual.
whitn3yyy 5 months ago
@whitn3yyy Your testimony only confirms what I said ! If your man judges that you 're right and let you do what you want ,it's not yourself who usurps authority ,it is HIM who lets you . As long as men are in control and have the final say ,there is nothing wrong about it. The man is the HEAD ,never forget this.
framboise595 5 months ago
@framboise595 LOL I just read him your comment and he said, "Oh no, I know better"....that's right, he does. I don't control him, he doesn't control me, and our love grows daily. The problem is that people can't accept that the bible is open to PERCEPTION..how YOU take "submission" mentionings is not how I take them, and how I take them is different than how the next person will. You live your life under a man, and I'll live my life beside one. Bye!
whitn3yyy 5 months ago
@framboise595 Does a man respect the woman that submits to him? Why can't a woman respect the man that submits to her? Does the man eventually despise the woman or it's okay for women to submit because their lowly anyway? You call equality bullshit but the idea of superiority is bullshit. The ideal that women want men to dominate them and that they should be happy in submission is bullshit. You only believe it is natural because you have been lead to think so.
ImNotRacistImBias 5 months ago
@ImNotRacistImBias
I haven't been led to think so ,I have EXPERIMENTED myself in my own marital life and in what other female friends have told me. Any woman deep inside want a dominant man. Man is the head and it will always be so.
framboise595 5 months ago
@ImNotRacistImBias
YES precisely not only does a man respect the woman that submits to him but he LOVES her. Men CAN love a woman who submit and follow and show him that we he says or does has impact on her ,but never can women love a man they dominate. They will always think that he's a doormat and he's not strong enough to resist her.
Men are women are deeply different in their expectations.
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ImNotRacistImBias 5 months ago
@framboise595 (1/1) A submissive man is a doormat? What is the submissive woman? She is a doormat also. Why is it okay for women to be doormats and weak.... because of what? I just don't get how a woman can view being weak and inferior as a good thing. Sorry, I don't understand and will never view it as good. You shouldn't speak as if you know what is in every woman's mind/heart.
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sherber75 5 months ago
Christianity seems to focus on women and submission in marriage. But not so much on 1 Timothy 5:8. Why is that? Even good christian men can fall short of that scripture or expectation. But we don't want to talk about that. Only the sin of women not being submissive. Double standard? Maybe? :)
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sherber75 5 months ago
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ArmorofFaith91 6 months ago
Most young men in America have been feminized by secular culture to the point that they are submissive to women. In the vast majority of marriages in the US the woman leads. The youngest generations of men especially are so appallingly nice' to women that even women are finding these "men" contemptible. Yet woman and feminism did this! Incidentally those few actual Men who are still around and see through the brainwashing find the over bearing, manipulating generation of women unsuitable wives.
embracingreality 6 months ago
"When I was a child, I talked like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child. When I became a man, I put childish ways behind me."1 cor 13:11
D problem with most marriages is dat physically "matured" people who still think like children marry. Both men & women need 2grow up & die of their selfishness.PERIOD! Most women don't even know d meaning of submission & men too don't know what it means to love like Christ yet each party wants d other 2 do their parts! Grow up & act ur age!
ddfrisky 6 months ago
I think that most men and women go into marriage thinking that they should be served rather than serve...."it's all about me me me me me me".....marriage is just a smaller version of the church, women submit to your husbands, men love your wife..it's so simple, why do people make things so difficult? I will submit to my husband because I want to please him and serve him and he loves me by giving himself to me just as Christ did...why do people twist the truth?
ddfrisky 6 months ago
If a man listens to God, he would in fact make good decisions and that's why my future husband has to be a Fire-filled Christian...would he always make the right choices? No. Why? Because we are all humans. Trust me, I think life is easier if a woman submits to her husband..It just makes it easier; there is less tension and drama in the house! We know our places and there is more love, respect, and understanding!
ddfrisky 6 months ago
Submission doesn't mean dat when am angry with my husband, I should just shut up and allow him 2 walk over me but rather giving him respect nt only bcoz he is my husband but bcoz my heavenly father expects me 2 respect him. If I don't like wot my husband is doing, I should b able 2 let him know, in some cases he might not change bcoz only God can really change some1. Submission is puttng my husband 1st and I see dat d more u submit 2 some1 d greater chances of dem changng coz dey see Christ in u
ddfrisky 6 months ago
I don't think submission means obsessive control and abusive display of strength (a man that does that has insecurity and needs to get over himself). But as d head, d husband is d leader of d home and has d ultimate say of what happens in d home. Why? Because he makes d decisions. D woman makes suggestions and he listens to them but he is responsible for setting out d vision for d home. This has nothing 2 do with controlling or anything but everything 2 do with responsibility & roles in d home.
ddfrisky 6 months ago
Sincerely speaking, it's easier 2 submit 2 a Western christian guy (not all though but most) bcoz he would treat me better-not dat am sayng all men 4rm my country need a maid as a wife but most do & bcoz a Westerner doesn't expect it, it just makes it easier to submit. I don't think submittg is a choice.It is rather a commandment just like lovng your wife is in d Bible! Submission is often seen as a "bad" word but it really isn't! At least my parents modeled a wot a great marriage should be.
ddfrisky 6 months ago
@andrassygilicze
"You had the right to leave your husband biblicaly only because he cheated on you "
Do you spread that heresy all over the modern church ?? There is NO justification for divorce in God's eyes .
That selfish rights obsession is destroying the church. It's all about" ME ME OH POOR ME and my so wicked husband "! NO difference with the modern godless and selfish world.
What about FORGIVENESS ? Are modern women too weak or /and too selfish to FORGIVE ?
framboise595 7 months ago
I'd like to know HOW people who read the Bible can state that husbands should submit to their wives ?? What a heresy ! Does Christ submit to His church ???
NEVER do women submit to a man who submits to them ! They automatically take the upper hand and feel scornful. Equality is the greatest lie given to brainless and godless masses.
Women can't have the slightest respect or admiration for the man who submits to them .
But sure ,modern christians know more than God Himself ...
framboise595 7 months ago
@framboise595 I agree with some of the things you say however, somethings I do not. The Bible say a woman should submit to her husband...I believe in submission and it in fact makes marriage better however where I do not agree with you is the equality part. If you talk about "equality" at least in terms of role i.e the man is the head of the family; in this case I would call it differences in roles then I would agree that the man is the head of the family.
ddfrisky 6 months ago
@framboise595 however if you talk about "equality" in terms of a man being intellectually higher/ better or in any form apart from the fact that he is physically stronger then a woman then I would disagree . A woman is intellectually and in other ways equal to a man however not equal physically-that's why God calls us the weaker vessels. If all these is what you believe then I would agree with you, if not then I am not totally convinced and I will never be!
ddfrisky 6 months ago
Exactly - Great marriage - Shut & put out. Works every time !!! I would not want to marry a belligerent prude.
mba2ceo 7 months ago
Is there any man in the entire western world that actually expects a wife to "SHUT UP AND PUT OUT"?
In the US feminized, modern wives expect husbands to shut up, do what they're told and keep bringing home the pay check or else end up destroyed in divorce court! The modern American woman is commonly a succubus at heart. Selfish, manipulative, controlling, dishonest and single men know it.
Search online "why young men are avoiding marriage" and see for yourself.
embracingreality 7 months ago
@embracingreality Just a quick question...what is your definition of submission...I really want to know. If he doesn't expect her to shut up and put out, then what does it mean to submit because I really think both men and women don't know what that word means. Am not putting you in the corner...am a lady and i really want to know how men define submission...
ddfrisky 6 months ago
@ddfrisky Glad you asked. In every relationship between a man and a woman (especially marriage) there will come decisions and the two simply cannot agree. Even if each works toward compromise impasses will come. Right? So who decides? Wifely submission is God's orderly design here, someone has to have authority or there will be disorder, chaos.
Typically here is when women manipulate. Phony emotional displays, withholding sex. He submits to her, she no longer respects him. Marriage in America..
embracingreality 6 months ago
@embracingreality okay dat makes sense. I don't see anything wrong with submission -boz in my country, some people made it sound lyk I have to kneel down 2 serve my husband, wake up as early as 4am, wash his cloths, massage his back, "give him a bath if possible", cook for him, arrange the house, and still look pretty while doing it!!THAT IS SLAVERY IN DISGUISE !!! L.O.L!!I really don't see why submission/love is a problem in America seriously! I think it's an attack from the Devil. Just saying.
ddfrisky 6 months ago
@ddfrisky Ha, ha. That scenario of slavery you described sounds like the way husbands in America are treated. Commonly wives in America treat husbands like they're foolish children. Talk down to him, tell him what to do, where to go and when. Many men are emasculated nice' guys that would make a better door mat than a man. The reason why is 40 years of radical feminist brain washing and thats why most women in the America are single and will remain so. Even Christian men are losing interest.
embracingreality 6 months ago
@embracingreality W.O.W..thanks for the information! In my country you could NEVER EVER imagine a man being submissive to a woman-and I think that's why marriages last long. Ha! I can't just imagine a submissive husband....It's just over the top!!
ddfrisky 6 months ago
@ddfrisky Unfortunately in America most marriages end in divorce and when they do the ex-wives get primary custody of the children, most of the family assets like the house. The ex-husband however is still expected to continue to pay, this is especially true if the wife did not work outside the home during the marriage. Women have all the power legally, socially in a marriage consequently many single men are just choosing to avoid it and why the population in western nations are shrinking.
embracingreality 6 months ago
@embracingreality that is so horrible...we really live in a fallen world...i bet if i was a guy, i would hardly want to get married...just saying
ddfrisky 6 months ago
@ddfrisky Thank you!
embracingreality 6 months ago
St Paul refers to godly men in the image of Christ the bridegroom. If wives do not submit to men in the Christian context of Christ (bridegroom) women (Bride which is the Church) then women will be submitting to the devil. Simple as that.
smooveau 7 months ago
@smooveau
True. That is precisely what Eve did in Eden.
framboise595 7 months ago
@smooveau This is of course assuming they submit at all.
Good post, thanks - I did not know that.
CHRLPTRSN 6 months ago
Well the bible was stupid if it thought us women would just shut up and put out. Hell no.
RobzFanpire 7 months ago
Even 'Christian ' women can turn aside after Satan. The way is easy :t hey just have to rebel against their husband and wear the pants on behalf of the devilish ' equality' lie that plagues our Western world.
Men just have to be strong enough and not whimps not to let such things happen.
Female rebelion is already within the church . It's gonna be harder for men to find a righteous Christian woman as Sarah.
No wonder why so many divorces in 'modern' feminized churches.
framboise595 8 months ago
@framboise595 Donc en gros tu nous demande de la fermer, de nous laisser faire et d'accepter d'être réduite au rôle de femme de ménage décorative, comme il le dit si bien dans son analyse, c'est bien ça?
alrune8 7 months ago
@alrune8
Je ne demande rien. Je ne fais que respecter ce que Dieu nous demande.
Je doute que tu sois chrétienne vu le ton que tu emploies. La soumission féminine que Dieu demande n'est pas ce que tu crois. Elle est constructive et permet d'apporter paix et harmonie au foyer. Qu'entends-tu par "la fermer" ? L'homme est le chef ,laissons le décider ,avoir le dernier mot ,ce qui n'empêche pas de lui donner notre avis ou des suggestions qui peuvent s'avérer fort utiles.
framboise595 7 months ago
@framboise595 J'ai le droit de ne pas être chrétienne, ce n'est pas un crime. Je respecte beaucoup les personnes religieuses et je trouve qu'il y a beaucoup de préceptes qui mériteraient d'être mieux suivis, qu'il s'agisse du Christianisme ou de l'Islam. Mais j'aime aussi remettre en question, ne serait-ce que pour mieux comprendre.
Quand à la soumission, j'estime qu'une vraie femme est avant tout une adulte responsable des ses actes et de ses choix, et non une servante jetable.
alrune8 7 months ago
@alrune8
Qui t'as dit d'être une "servante jetable" ?? Je te parle de suivre celui qui est le chef du foyer. Sache également que Dieu a horreur des hommes qui répudient leur femme. Il hait le divorce.
L'insoumission féminine telle qu'elle est prônée de nos jours ne fait qu' engendrer des conflits inutiles et détruire la paix au sein du foyer. La femme se dresse contre son mari à la moindre occasion. De cela aussi Dieu a horreur.
framboise595 7 months ago
@framboise595 Et que dit ce Seigneur des hommes qui battent leurs femmes, les trompent et exigent une soumission totale malgré tout ça? Pcq, si soumission il doit y avoir, il s'agit sans doute de tout laisser passer, ne jamais rien dire et tout accepter, même les choses les plus horribles.C'est ça la soumission. Ou alors explique davantage.
De plus, en quoi est-ce qu'une femme qui prend ses responsabilités et les assume est une source de conflits?
alrune8 7 months ago
@alrune8
Lis Ephésiens chapitre 5 verset 25
Tu verras que le Seigneur attend de la femme une soumission totale certes ,mais de l'homme un amour sacrificiel pour sa femme ,à l'image de Jésus-Christ qui s'est donné Lui-même pour Son église.
Il s'agit pour l'homme de mettre à profit sa virilité de la meilleure façon qui soit pour sa famille :défense ,protection ,direction ,autorité etc...
framboise595 7 months ago
@framboise595 Tu ne réponds pas à ma question. En quoi est-ce qu'une femme qui prend ses responsabilités et les assume est une source de conflits?
alrune8 7 months ago
@alrune8
J' ai répondu à une partie de ta question en te parlant de l'amour sacrificiel de l'homme pour sa femme.
Pour le reste ,je n'ai pas le temps pour le moment. Si tu veux ,je te répondrai en privé quand je le pourrai afin de pouvoir un peu plus m'étaler sur le sujet (commentaires trop limités ici ).
A plus tard.
framboise595 7 months ago
@framboise595 j'attendrai ton message alors. A plus
alrune8 7 months ago
@alrune8
Il faut un chef dans une famille ,comme dans toute équipe non ? Alors ,fais preuve d'intelligence . S'il y a un chef , il attend d'être suivi et obéi . La femme qui accepte de devenir son épouse est celle qui le suivra ,qui l'honorera ,l'admirera .Il se sentira fort car respecté et écouté.
C'est bien aussi ce que Christ attend de Son église.
Apprends à connaitre le Seigneur et n'écoute pas les mensonges de ce monde perdu.
Ecoute les conseils de Dieu , plus précieux que l'or fin
framboise595 7 months ago
The husband is the head of the household and the family is to obey and follow him.
Sarah ,Abraham's wife is cited as a reference for any Christian woman . She is regarded by God as a holy woman for she called her husband My lord and obeyed him.
Women are rebel . Eve proved it in Eden. All that "abusive husband" stuff is just bullshit to excuse sin , for Adam was not "abusive" and yet Eve REFUSED to submit to him .She prefered follow the DEVIL. That's what women do today.
framboise595 8 months ago
@framboise595 I hope u find Jesus i really mean that.
GodsMafiiaMan 7 months ago
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sherber75 5 months ago
HAHAHAHAHAHA!
RUSrocket21 8 months ago
Submitting doesn't mean the same as abuse.Wives and husbands should submit to one another but that doesn't mean they should be controlling and abusive towards each other.They should submit when reasonable requests are asked.Husbands and wives are a team.It's morally wrong for husbands and wives to be controlling and abusive.
thebikerboy90 8 months ago
I"m reading some of these comments in disgust. Men and Women are equal in the Lords eyes. The advice given is to address our specific natures. I liked Crowsfamily comments a few posts back. My favorite NT verse is "Neither is the Man without the Women nor the Woman without the Man in the Lord." We need each other. Our natures gives us certain duties that we are best at, but without the other's gifts, we are incomplete.
nightshadow73 10 months ago
@andrassygilicze - No where did I state I teach my girls to leave their husbands IF they do not submit. I teach my girls to PICK a mate that follows the ENTIRE word of God, to take their time and learn him BEFORE marriage. AND to follow every word of God. IF you had actually read what I posted, you would see I teach them to submit to their HUSBANDS. Husbands are the head of the household. Re-read Prov 31 post. However, ABUSE, was the part I spoke against. Different subject than submission.
CrowsFamily 10 months ago
@CrowsFamily how immoral...to teach girls that theyre inferior to males and have to submit/subjugate
IF your girls have any self respect they would laugh at how you are so 'damaged' by the nonsense/immorality of religion
WHAT god....we all know there is NOT A SHRED OF PROOF of any god...OR of creationism
females required to subjugate IS abuse...and shows how INSECURE religious males really are
proudfemale 9 months ago
@proudfemale i concur absolutely. i don't understand how people don't realize subordination DOES imply inferiority, no matter how hard you try to justify it. no human should have to be subjugated. slaves, too, were subjugated. you submit to each other in perfect equilibrium, none of that authority/leadership nonsense. ahh, the times, the times. people have finally flown off the handle.
keysaar 8 months ago
@proudfemale There exist Christians who ARE wise enough to read and understand the FULL message of love in their own doctrine and hence DO understand that inequality is wrong. It is the depravity of the human mind that causes men to corruptly exploit their wives by biasedly expounding particular portions of passages. The full message of love given in the Bible is actually a wonderful and fair thing. Stating that "religious males" are insecure is a blatant generalism. Equality is correct.
BingtheLizard 8 months ago
@BingtheLizard have you actually read your bible ? religious males who think that ADULT women must subjugate to them are most definitely INSECURE
you should learn christianities vile history...its on a par with what we see in islam
proudfemale 8 months ago
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CrowsFamily 11 months ago
@Jackievip - I have been raped. I too am a single mom who was beaten and mentally abused and cheated on for several years.I looked up one day and had nothing. But I had the power to leave. I REFUSE to let him have the power to change who I am. I teach my girls to be strong women who make wise decisions by choosing men who are kind, gentle, close to God, and wise. They will not submit to a man who will not submit to them as well. Today, I am strong. My girls will be stronger & choose wisely.
CrowsFamily 11 months ago
I strive to be a Proverbs 31 woman. However, I cannot be a Proverbs 31 wife without a Proverbs 31 husband. A Proverbs 31 wife is strong. She does not whine about being repressed. She takes care of business and her family loves her for it. She is not a doormat. Her husband could not and would not praise her if she let him mentally or physically abuse her or her children. However, she is a submissive wife. We know this because the Bible does NOT contradict itself. Be a woman, be strong.
CrowsFamily 11 months ago
To be submissive it NOT to be a doormat. It takes a strong woman to submit to her husband in the right way. If that husband is abusive or damaging in ANY way, the woman MUST stand up against this. A wise woman will pick a man who is of like mind with a kind heart. By choosing the wrong man, she cannot submit, & he can't love her. A good man will respect and love you. If he loves you, he'll submit too. Women hold the power to a good relationship.
CrowsFamily 11 months ago
It appears that the totality of this passage is being overlooked. The 1st verse Eph 5:21 states, "Submit yourselves one to another." Listen to Mr. Gungor's entire message (these are only small postings). Women are told to submit because we tend not to. Husbands tend to let us run the show because it's easier ("If Mama ain't happy, nobody's happy.") Husbands are told to LOVE their wives because it goes against their nature. Men tend to be less loving. Love & submit to EACH OTHER = Marriage.
CrowsFamily 11 months ago
Sherber75,
The Bible clearly states the man is the head of the home. If you believe obeying the Bible is related to an "ego trip" you've missed the point. Wow, your husband deserves a medal for putting up with you!
Ransin63 11 months ago
@Ransin63 I totally agree with you...and sincerely speaking I think the problem with women (at least talking for myself) is that we are scared to submit ourselves to our future husband/present because back in our minds we think that "he would take advantage of that fact"....Of course he would if he is a JERK.That's why u date before marriage to know who you are getting married to. At some point I really had to face the truth-It is a commandment and my heavenly father expects me to obey!
ddfrisky 6 months ago
lol i know women t hat are incredibly aggressive, they never shut up, ever.
vict0r1ous 11 months ago
it's much more effective when ministers tell men to "love their wifes" when they bring up the scriptures about women submitting.
Jeff55369 11 months ago
Oh by the way I have also been married almost 20 years. So something must be right when I believe in mutual submission. I am not the head nor is my husband. Being his equal but different. He and I are partners in our life together. One no more than the other. Submitting to each others needs, respecting each others right to maintain personhood in all decisions, and both making an effort to find a middle ground. That is what I have found is the secret to a good marriage.
sherber75 1 year ago
Finally. I am no study person of every scripture. But in my humble opinion God meant woman to stand next to man. Not ahead and not behind. Maybe the story of Eve being created from the rib of Adam could be symbolic. That Eve was to be beside Adam. And that Adam was to see her as his equal. Man's sin nature interpreted scripture for woman to submit. God never whispered in my ear that hubby had the final word in all things. Mutual submission is what we practice in our christian home. :)
sherber75 1 year ago
I know that my last sentence in the previous post may come very harsh. But a women I mean a mature women will not be as loving behind the bedroom door. If the man in her life only values and treats her as a women in the most intimate parts of your life together. But she is to submit in everything else outside of the door. She is held no higher than her children in the aspect of respect and equality. Which makes that other part in the marriage seem more like incest.
sherber75 1 year ago
A man's mentality is one of respect when dealing with peers in church, at work, and or their friends. Why is a man's wife any less due the same respect.? Her opinions, parenting, and ideas should be just as equal to his. If a women is put into a submissive position in the home or church, having to submit to him being the final word. Then she well be just another child. And any women who allows that might well be just having maritial relations with her father.
sherber75 1 year ago
I am a good christian woman. But don't believe in submission to a man. To ask a women to be in a submissive position is to take her rights away as an equal. Regardless of whether you have a good man or troubled man. There are more than likely children involved. And a mother that is in a submissive role cannot protect her children. If a man truly loves you and respect you as an equal he wouldn't want you in a submissive role to him.
sherber75 1 year ago
I believe that the husband is the head of his wife. Women just need to not pick an idiot and if they wind up with one by mistake that mistreats them then get a divorce. My parents have been married almost 32 years and she is an intelligent woman with a mind of her own. He is the head of our house but he treats her with love and respect. He is a minister himself and they always told me be careful who you marry.
mlclemo 1 year ago
Let me understand you. Your husband is head of your home. He is the final say. You are to submit to his authority? So this is what you would tell your daughter? As long as she is single she is allowed to have her own thoughts, ideas, and ways of doing things. But after she marries she now comes under the authority of her husband. Isn't that kinda of a mind screw? Are sons told the same thing? Talk about a ego trip for men. But we do live in a sinful world. This way of thinking proves it.
sherber75 1 year ago
@sherber75 You missed the point. A real husband listens to his wife and respects who she is what she has to say. He listens, not just controls. Otherwise there is no love and mutual respect. Where there is no love there is no real marriage. Some people need to get over themselves and just respect other's opinions. I respect your point of view, so respect mine.
mlclemo 6 months ago
@mlclemo Totally agree! 100%
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sherber75 5 months ago
THe monster music fits,marriage like that is hell
Jackievip 1 year ago
@Jackievip Then you're not doing it right. Anyone who has been married for a while will agree it is work. I don't think anyone is saying it is easy. But, it is worth it, if you use wisdom.
CrowsFamily 11 months ago
@CrowsFamily Ow please. Trow some bible verses at me , maybe if a man rapes you to you'd feel otherwise. I always give I ended up with a depression. HE left with my stuf my money saying lies and cheating and i'm a single mom alone. Its only works if both put god first and if Both are givers. THe reality is that there just are people without good intentions. I believe in Marriage and God and being faitfull and submissive. Its not healthy in an extreme.I stil have to respect me, wich i'm starting
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amalsee 1 year ago
Except that the Bible nowhere teaches that a man is the "head" of the household, as in "authority." Anybody who bothers to look it up in the Greek instead of relying on biased translators knows that.
Morna777 1 year ago
@Morna777 the bible was first written in latin...
justplainmary 1 year ago
@justplainmary this is not historically accurate buddy
wirlyone 11 months ago
@wirlyone if you believe in the fictional work known as "the bible" you would understand where it came from. versions of it were translated out of the original latin text. since you're already on the internet...why don't you...open up another tab and educate yourself? buddy.
justplainmary 11 months ago
It seems everyone noticed the music so I'm not crazy.
MarieCullen 1 year ago
why the monster music???
littlegiant1972 1 year ago 31
@littlegiant1972 because the message of "shut up and put out" is monstrous!! .. it deserved to be emphasised
abominableangel 5 months ago
The music sounds like something off of an horror movie. lol sorry but just had to say that.
truepureblue 1 year ago 27
@truepureblue Cause that's what they intended lol. They're saying how destructive that message was
kotoneha 1 year ago
I had heard a very great analogy of submission. Submission is voluntarily & decisively learning to duck. If the man is the head of the house, and the woman learns to duck... he'll get hit instead of her. :-)
I agree. I'm learning to duck.
Tavlo 1 year ago 3
@Tavlo awww sexism :D
DeJay14 1 year ago