How Oneness Pentecostals use the Jesus Trick on Trinitarians

[MrHellowwww1]

Jesus said "I am" while on earth. "I am" is a name of God in Judaism which means self existing. This means Jesus had to be in OT. Who did Adam walk with, Moses saw the backside of man, and Jacob wrestle with God? It is clear it a human form.

[GODSFAVORITECHILD7]

james 2:19 says even the devils believe there is only one GOD not three!! there is no biblical proof that GOD is a trinity show me i have friends who were former trinitarians who are now upci and cant believe they believed in that lie of the trinity!!!

[MrLimeyBob]

@GODSFAVORITECHILD7 You are completely ignorant of Trinitarian theology. I debate over a microphone in paltalk.com this is a free to use microphone based chat room. Will you debate me on the topic: Who is the creator of the universe?

[ydnar0591]

@GODSFAVORITECHILD7 The Devil and his angel buddies were kicked out of heaven so they are not too bright...it makes sense that they would believe oneness.

I used to believe that there was only ONE, the father {Jehovah} myself {I was'nt Saved at the time} until GOD opened my eyes and removed the scales.

There are NOT 3 GODS there are 3 persons in ONE GOD.....you don't even know what trinatarians believe. How can you argue this point when you think we Trinatarians believe in 3 Gods?

[2222pauline]

@GODSFAVORITECHILD7 THIS is the PROBLEM

1 GOD ---> CORRECT

1 GOD in three3 Persons ---> WRONG

GOD is GOD where ever you Find HIM. Not 3 different PEOPLE

Find a place in the Bible where God is. That is GOD. GOD is ALL. not DIVIDED

God the DADDY - GOD the little boy - GOD the real DADDY --> this is wrong

GOD is one1 L-O-R-D --> not divided

[doobersmanster]

Tell a pentacostal that you have never spoke in tounges and they will look at you like you are a sinner and a Freak..they will even shun you, just becasue you don't speak in tounges..that proves that they are following Satan and not God. They are so arrogant and I stay away from them like I would a JW or a Seventh Day Adventist.

[MrBallongerS]

it seem like you are talking to a five year old.

[MrLimeyBob]

@MrBallongerS I'd glad that you were listenign so attentively young man.

[doobersmanster]

@MrLimeyBob Thank you for this.I can't stand pentecostals.they are the fakest people I have ever been around.Arrogant and emotional.I got tricked into fellowshipping with them once for a few years and it eventually caused me to doubt my salvation and fall for thier fake lies.We are called to crucify our passions, but they take emotionalism as evidence of the Holy Spirit. They are a cult.Another made up doctrine pushed forward in the occultic 1800's. They might as well be theosophists

[TheGenuineChristian]

Heretic arguing about heretics. Nothing more hilarious.

[MrApostolicdoctrine1]

@TheGenuineChristian LOL.

[MrApostolicdoctrine1]

This debate will be going on until Jesus come's. But don't worry, Zechariah 14:9 says; And the LORD shall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be ONE LORD, and his name ONE. Jesus in that day will make known, he is the one and only Almighty God, and not a Trinity.........

[MrLimeyBob]

@MrApostolicdoctrine1 Will you debate me over a microphone in paltalk.com MrApostolicDoctrine1 we coudl then post our audio debate to this cannel?

[MrApostolicdoctrine1]

@MrLimeyBob My friend, I would be glad to, but do you really want to do that? I have been in debates and to tell you, it will not change our minds. Oneness Apostolic"s and Trinitarian's have been debating over the godhead for years, the only good outcome from the debate would be the people who might listen. Your not going to change the mind of an Apostolic on youtube or paltalk. My best day for that would be a Saturday, You set it up and I will prepare. God Bless.

[MrLimeyBob]

@MrApostolicdoctrine1 Sir, I'm a former Apostolic myself. To get debate with me rolling please e-mail me at thebagge2@yahoo.co.uk indicating some times and dates (i'm in the UK so I'm not staring a debate late at night my time), what about a topic: 'who is the creator of the universe?' Would you agree to that debate. My paltalk name is Limey_Bob. Please load the free software and get a mic and add me as a pal in paltalk so that we can met up. Once you do this I'll arrange the room & moderators

[MrApostolicdoctrine1]

@MrLimeyBob Just to simply answer your "Title" who is the creator of the universe? Gen. 1:1 states; In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. No debate about that. A better "Title" would be, did the Trinity come from "Divine Scripture" or from the Council's of men". That's what it come's down to, does the Bible support a dogma of a Trinity. I will get with you soon. Thank you.

[DefendTheGospel007]

@MrApostolicdoctrine1 I would watch the debate!!! All for the Glory of GOD. Defending the Truth!! Robert Skynner...let me know when you guys do!

[GODSFAVORITECHILD7]

@MrApostolicdoctrine1 Amen brother theres only one LORD one faith and one baptisim one GOD even the devils only believe that there is one GOD james 2:19

[simpleservant1983]

this a cool funny video i laughed but im completely lost on whats going on here !!! lol

[babipassion25]

I don't understand what the argument is here?

The New Testament says Jesus is the creator and the Old Testament says The Father is the Creator. Which would mean the spirit in Jesus is the Father. Begotten means: bring a child into existence by the process of reproduction. Mary was found to be with child by the Holy Spirit(God's sprit). Which is why the Bible says Son of God because he was born of God's spirit. But God's spirit was in him, which is why Jesus is son of God.

[dbschrrr]

I wish it was real people speaking and not a computer. It would be easier to understand. They would be able to slow down their words and speak more clearly.

[MrLimeyBob]

@dbschrrr You've made a good point. I have a camera and I'd like to do an acted out version of this video! Trouble is that very very few 'christians' are interetsed in theology and capable of even the most basic discussion. However, I'll look into the possibility of an acted out version of this video. thank you for the excellent suggestion.

[suburbanrapper]

The son is just a thought -- gnostic demonic garbage lie that the father of lies will confirm with signs and feelings to decieve. Doctrines of demoms will be confirmed by demons! Pentacost is real but it is counterfited .The mormons talk about tongue talking. God lets us experience deception so that we will know how powerful and real it is. We are in a battle. The Holy Spirit will blow out the deception if we continue in the word. We shall know the truth and the truth makes us free!!!

[suburbanrapper]

great video. Tons of great content in short time. Had to look up the passages and pause a bunch. Watched 5 times. The point about the son only being a though -- gnostic garbage. He who denies the son and the father is of the antichrist. Keep up the good work. I've confronted upc folks. We have to know their tricks. This knocks it out of the park. Only the spirit of the antichrist comes up with these subtlies. And that lying spirit then confirms the lies with feelings and signs.

[pretoshohmoofc]

I wonder how they would react to Acts 13:32-34 where it says that jesus was begotten after his resurrection?

[TheElena1994]

the trinitarians are soo wrong

[8chariotrider]

I am not surprised, however, because it is only by such tactics (i.e. mischaracterization, a modus operandi of his evidently) he could ever hope to overcome the Biblical truths I am presenting in response to his claims against my Biblical belief of Oneness Pentecostalism to thereafter keep pushing his confused thinking. Obviously this video herein is of the exact same brand. In answer to here: Jesus Christ is Yahweh Incarnate! (1 Timothy 3:16, et al).

[8chariotrider]

The post that I just placed here is the corrected post of a post that had a couple of typos in it, namely having "a" instead of "as" in the first sentence as well as "able" instead of "unable" in the same sentence. The post was one of 13 posts that responded to one Jeremy Hiltz's (a.k.a. "ACallToHoliness") "Oneness Pentecostalism DESTROYED - Acts 2:38 Water Baptism." After blocking my subsequent posts, he deliberately deleted my corrected version to give a false impression of my beliefs.

[8chariotrider]

Clearly the mere belief of a human is unable to in and of itself save the human just as the mere belief of a devil is unable to save a devil! But yet even the belief of a devil results in some action - trembling! The belief required for the Lord's offered salvation is obedient belief not a mere mental acknowledgment! What part of "shalt be" -- as in Acts 16:31 -- is not understood? Not "are saved" but "shalt be saved"! Wow, talk about willing ignorance.(Part 10)

[zedrev01]

human understanding is not Gods' mind.

[ephesians45]

MrLimeyBob, what is the name of your God? I know that you cannot answer this truthfully and I am sorry that you cannot. No trinitarian can. You will either tell me one of the many titles of God or you will say that he or they have three names. Did you ever meet anyone whose name was "father"? 

[brotherhamm]

-Colossians 2:8-9

8)Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ. 9)For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

I appreciate the debate my friend :)

[brotherhamm]

*But there is only one Name -Jesus*

_Acts 4:12- "Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.

-Isaiah 9:6 -For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor(Comforter-Holy Ghost), The mighty God, The everlasting Father (Father), The Prince (Son) of Peace. * it's all in him*. Continue

[TheLeNomEst]

-Jesus Christ is God manifested in flesh. He is both God and man (Deuteronomy 6:4; Ephesians 4:4-6; Colossians 2:9; 1 Timothy 3:16). -What kind of God would send his little boy to die and then take the glory for it? Not my God, my God would wrap himself in flesh and do it himself. And that's exactly what he did.

Father is a title pertaining to the Spirit (God).

Son is a title pertaining to the flesh born in Bethlehem (the flesh of the Spirit (God).

Holy Ghost is a title of the Spirit cont

[pretoshohmoofc]

@TheLeNomEst Father is a title pertaining to the Spirit (God).

Son is a title pertaining to the flesh born in Bethlehem (the flesh of the Spirit (God).

Did you NOT just here the video? You could not have listened to this video. No way.

[pretoshohmoofc]

@TheLeNomEst Sorry, 'hear'

[brotherhamm]

2) The same was in the beginning with God. (God and his spoken Word and thoughts, nothing else.

14) And the (spoken word and though) was made flesh and dwelt among us... Why?

(blood sacrifice - Hebrews 9:22 "And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without shedding of blood is no remission."

-As the Holy Spirit (his Spirit not another Spirit) how he touches mankind.

continue

[brotherhamm]

Layman 316

There is one God, who has revealed Himself as our:

-Father in creation, Hebrews 11:3 (Rhema- utterance; spoken word)

-Son (flesh) in redemption, John 1:1, John 1:14 (Logos-something said including the thought)

-John 1:1, 2, 14

-1) In the beginning was the (spoken word & thought), and the (spoken word & thought) was with God, and the (spoken word & thought) was God. continue

[makebrightthenight]

The Son was made of a woman made under the law to redeem those that were under the law........That is a True fact right there. 1 God and God is one. all Bible. No Bible for 3 in one....triune...trinity....Lim­ey is a fraud.

[brotherhamm]

Laymen 316

No one said that Jesus was the Son only. People misinterpret the phrase" Jesus only"

to mean son only. Jesus is God only.

[brotherhamm]

Laymen 316

God only- what ever God is that's what we all should be. He's many things to us but he's only one and his name is Jesus. :)

[MrLimeyBob]

@Layman316 Thank you, but I intend to redo this video asap, as firstly I don't like the black and white screen and secondly it's too long. I will keep this viodeo up though.

[dking2ushawty21]

This video is slighted.

[brotherhamm]

Holy Ghost" and make it a separate entity from GOD.

God is a Spirit, and the name of that Spirit is Jesus.

That's why Acts 2:38 is so important! Why wouldn't you want to be baptized into God?

The name of Jesus is more than just 5 letters on a page, it's more than a blanket statement spoken at the end of prayers we pray, it's a place were the righteous can run into and be saved. That place is IN Jesus name

(we get there through baptism in the name of Jesus)

[brotherhamm]

we are Prince of Peace only, we are Redeemer only ect. because we are "GOD" only. He's all of these and more, but his name is Jesus. So am I "JESUS" only? Absolutely! You can't take the creative power of God, call it "Father" and create a separate entity from GOD. (Genesis 1:1). You can't take the thought of God (Logos) call it "Son" and create a separate entity from GOD.

(John 1:1 and 1:28 - "the thought of God became flesh". )

God is a spirit, you can't take the spirit of God call it "Holy

[brotherhamm]

"Hear oh Israel, the Lord our God is one Lord." As Apostolic Pentecostal Christians we've been called "Jesus only" in an attempt to label our faith as being "SON" only. (of course the labeling is being done by those who believe the FATHER, SON and HOLY GHOST are three separate co equal co eternal persons) there are no equals to God therefore there are no co equals with God. To make it clear who God is I make the following statements: we are "FATHER" only, we are "HOLY GHOST" only, we are Pri

[TheAlexv1977]

@MrLimeyBob can u make this same vid in Spanish it will be very helpfull

[TheAlexv1977]

@mrlimeybob can you please make the same vid in Spanish it would be very helpful to me !!!!!

[bocaJ157]

is a complete outrage, ask any muslim or jew if the great patriarch ABRAHAM WAS TRINITARIAN, you will be strongly proved wrong,

[bocaJ157]

trinitarian heresy is rejected strongly by all true jews, to say that all the old testament heroes like Moses king David Jacob ISAIAH, were trinitarian

[PerfectLoveRadio]

This Video is creepy !

[eflint1]

LimeyBob you cannot with a clear conscience say that a Trinity of three centers of self consciousness" is found in the OT or was believed by the Jews.

[MrLimeyBob]

@eflint1 The Trinitarian creeds do not state that God is (quote): 'three centres of self-consciousness.' Firstly God is omnipresent and cannot be limited to a geographic location, so if he were three spacially related centres of self-consciousness then he could not truly be God. You need to learn to be accurate in your criticisms.

[MrLimeyBob]

@MrLimeyBob Eflint1, this is a comment section and is not a forum for debate. Look if you want to get a microphone and load up paltalk.com on your pc, my name there is Limey_Bob and I'd be happy to debate you on who is the Son of God. Please do not reply to this here in the comments section. You can e-mail at thebagge at yahoo dot co dot uk

[eflint1]

@MrLimeyBob It's hard to be "accurate" in criticism when it comes to the doctrine of the Trinity because there are so many versions of it. Your version of the Trinity is radically different than many other versions I've heard.

[eflint1]

@eflint1 I've been a Christian since 1980. I was licensed with the Assemblies of God from 1986 to 1993. I've been licensed with the UPC since 1993. No the creeds may not say "three centers of self consciousness", but many if not most in the Trintarian camp believe exactly that. The term "three beings" is also very popular. Most Trinitarians don't even know their own doctrine, including most ministers.

[eflint1]

Oneness does not teach that the Son was "created".

[MrLimeyBob]

@eflint1 Then if the Son was not created then logically the only otehr opition is that the Son must be an eternal son! eflint  I debate the Bible with cultists over a microphone in paltalk.com, would you be willing to get a free paltalk.com account and mic and discuss this with me there. My paltalk name is Limey_Bob

[eflint1]

@MrLimeyBob First of all, I do not partake in "debates" where Oneness and Trinity believers trash each other. Oneness is not a "cult" and Trinitarians are not "tri-theists". Secondly, Jesus pre-existed as "the Word", not as the "Son". Many trinitarians believe this. I John 1:1-2 describe the Word as "the eternal life of the Father". The Sonship is the human manifestation of the Word.

[eflint1]

@MrLimeyBob Saying that God created the world "through the Son" is the same as saying that I visited President Reagan's boyhood home. He was not the President yet when he lived in that home as a boy, but it's still fine to refer to that structure as "PRESIDENT Reagan's boyhood home". John 1 declares that God created the worlds through "the Word". Verses that refer to the world being created by "the Son" are referring to that same Word who did indeed become the Son.

[omac561]

I used to be a trinitarian preacher. I was raised as a trinitarian by my father (and mom) who was a trinitarinan preacher and pastor for over fifty years. I preached as a trinitarian. for 15yrs before receiving the revelation of oneness. Firstly i would like to say that while I think that debate about the Godhead or anyother preceived doctrine is healthy but you are all starting from the wrong premise. Both side's usually start with contention, this never works. onenessman@hotmail.com

[MrLimeyBob]

@omac561 hello. Woudl you be willing to debate me on paltalk over a microphone on who is the Son of God? We could put the resulting debate on to this channel in youtube.

[omac561]

I used to be a trinitarian preacher. I was raised as a trinitarian by my father (and mom) who was a trinitarinan preacher and pastor for over fifty years.  I preached as a trinitarian. for 15yrs before receiving the revelation of oneness. Firstly i would like to say that while I think that debate about the Godhead or anyother preceived doctrine is healthy but you are all starting from the wrong premise. Both side's usually start with contention, this never works. Debate me!! Anyone?

[OnenessDebate]

Chek out my tv debate on trinity on youtube. 'Trinity Debate JT vs Oneness' .avi - Blessings!

[MrLimeyBob]

@OnenessDebate I wish to offer you the chance to debate me on the topic of the Son of God. Arius said: 'there was a time when the Son was not.' Could this be a debate topic between us? I live in Plymouth in the UK. I have a good BD (Hons) and also a PGCE. I'm X-Oneness myself. Also you don't pay attention sir. I never used the term 'God the Son' in any of my videos or previous debate. So please don't put words into my mouth.

[MrLimeyBob]

@OnenessDebate Yes I have listened to your debate. Which is why I'm offering yout he chance to debate a former Oneness Apostolic (myself) who'll know all of yoru arguments, unlike Dough Harris and his guest.

[OnenessDebate]

@MrLimeyBob -Didn't say that you did use the term 'God the Son, I'm stating my contention with Trinitarians. If you are trinitarian and do not believe in 'God the Son' then you've gone against the grain of traditional definitions of the Trinity. You know ALL my arguments -wow! It is you that put words in the mouth of an animated character which doesn't represent accurately the Oneness position.

[MrLimeyBob]

@OnenessDebate Once again you are misquoting me! Have you even listened to my debate with the Oneness Pentecostal? On this debate I refer to the Son as 'the Son of God' and not as 'God the Son' that is my choise, scripture uses the term 'The Son of God,' and so I do too. How does this go against the traditional doctrine of the Trinity? Barth and Rarhner referred to God as three modes and three modes of being rather than to three persons. Are you condemning me for not saying God the Son.

[MrLimeyBob]

@OnenessDebate I'm X-Oneness, so I used to be Oneness myself. Thus I know how Oneness folk reason because I used to be one myself. Sadly JT and Doug Harris were clueless and they didn't understand Oneness theology and they even misquoted the Trinity several times (i.e. by saying separate persons rather than the creedal language of distinct persons). Because I used to be Oneness myself, I would be more effective in refuting this error.

[MrLimeyBob]

@OnenessDebate yes I have listened to this debate and I would like to debate you as obviously JT and Doug Harris, not being X-Oneness like myself were unable to counter most of your arguments. Organising a room in paltalk with admins and somebody to record the deabte will take some effort and time to set up. Hopefully a suitable debate title on the Son of God could be agreed. If you want to go ahead then I will need about 2 weeks to find a neutral admin & set up the room.

[OnenessDebate]

Wow - great animations but you assume what you set out to prove. I challenge you to prove the actual existence of 'God the Son' from the Hebrew Scriptures. Surely the Jews would have been aware of the Trinity. Educated Oneness Apostolics do not believe that Son is eternal but that the name Jesus is common to F S & HS. Son can never be applied outside the incarnation or prophetically. Await your response. I call this post 'The Trick of the Jesus Trick'.

[ThaKingzsouljahPR777]

thx u soooooooooooooo much! i was also duped by these Apostates! GOD bless thee!

[tydavid77]

The word of God became flesh and dwelt among us. The same word of God that spoke all things into existence. The man Christ Jesus has a dual nature, he is fully God and fully man without the sin stained blood of Adam. Without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness of sin. In order to save mankind God had to provide himself as a blood sacrifice. In order to do this he took on flesh, becoming a sinless sacrifice and also being able to share in and understand our infirmities as man. God is h

[MrLimeyBob]

@tydavid77 Thank you. I need discipline myself and write the book I've been meanuing to write: 'Oneness Pentecostals Answered verse by verse.' I was in Oneness myself 1988-1989 until the Lord showed me the truth of the Trinity.

[RobertMOdell]

To be honest, it is very difficult to decide between oneness and trinity. Perhaps they are both wrong. Perhaps God is one person in three simultanious representations of that one person. Is it really so important to understand the ultimate manifestation and makeup of God? I mean, everyone agrees that the man Jesus was God in the flesh, and had authority to forgive sin.

[RobertMOdell]

It sure does seem that Heb 1:2 shows that the Son was eternal.  Do you know why Walter Martin, a prominent teacher, founder of CRI, and a trinitarian has said the Bible does not teach an eternal son? What is his rational?

[BeholdTheSonOfGod]

I am amazed at how the Oneness bloke thinks that logos means PLAN or THOUGHT, when it really means REASON and its expression (a word) as its signifier. Even rotten Plato understood that the Logos was the Divine Reason.

But in the Hebrew/Aramaic, the Targums all refer to God with his title the Word which is 'Memra'. The Word said to Adam, the Word spoke, the Word walked, etc.

I don't limit my evidences to the Bible when liars seek to straight-jacket me with it.

Great job on the vid.

[dayleyboy]

This video reveals alot of info....Father,Son and the Holy Spirit is GOD.Thanks for the video bobby....God Bless You !!!! looking forward for more revelation ...

[EvidentialFaith]

I already did on part two of your John 5-23 debate with Culwell. At the 10 sec mark.

[EvidentialFaith]

The only trick here is the one your mind is playing on you. It is completely biased. It was tailored to suit your argument. He resurrects a strawman in order to wave it around.

[MrLimeyBob]

@EvidentialFaith

Hello and thank you for your comment, which I must add was extremely vague, nebulous and imprecise, being more of an ad hominen. So would you mind listing the exact time on my video where I make these supposed errors whcih you have claimed of me and then make a precise and detailed statement as to my supposed errors.

[BeholdTheSonOfGod]

@MrLimeyBob I love this video. It made me think and it reminds me of so many conversations I have had with others over the Bible. I think you did a fantastic job revealing that Oneness Pcaustals deny the divinity of Jesus and the Holy Spirit. I never saw how clearly these tricksters hold onto two Jesus, one that is God and another who is not. I laughed a lot watching this too. Its funny watching our hero mop the floor with the cultist.