White men is evil because they love to talk shit about what the other believe. White people we dont scared at you. White men you cant ever fight with alqaeda how can you fifth with 1 billion Muslim remember what happen to the Romans then
QFT brother. no one should ever listen to the lies of this self-proclaimed prophet, muhammad is a deceiver just like his god, the quran says that "ALLAH IS THE GREATEST OF DECEIVERS" islam is a religion of deception...may the true God(Jesus) open your eyes and show you the true way.
the sira of Mohammad is in by itself a very questionable tale. A man never been a cause for any notoriety for 40 years then all of the sudden declares himself a prophet overnight, and without any physical miracles to back up his claim, his biography written some century after his death is full of legendary and sometimes absurd stories and accounts of conception, pregnancy , birth, infancy, childhood, youth, and adulthood.
While watching a debate between Lane Craig and Badawi, it caught my attention that there was no way the Quran could have been the Truth. I suspected plagiarism and sure enough it turns out that many already know. Muhammad was a fraud. A lying murderer. So what you have in Islam is essentially stolen texts. The only original texts involve breeding violence against anyone who isn't muslim. Of course the trned shows this to be true. From beginning to end, Islam has created hostility.
@sahim333 In the Koran, how does it explain the male seed and where it comes from? Is it true that is is written that the male seed comes from the spine?
@SISTIC1 LOL Im sure the starving kids around Africa must of blasphemed as well. Or maybe they arent praying hard enough. Your a sad brain dead loser. Go die. Dont have offspring.
@KakkoiiSasuke If all your going to do is spread ignorance and stupidity to the world, THEN YES I MEAN WHEN I SAY. DONT HAVE OFFSPRING!! All you brain dead parrots need to wake up and realize this is it! You got one life to live so make it count. Make this the best it can be. Be kind to others and live and let live. Or die and be forgotten like so many in the past who refused to change and adapt to the times.
@ciaochowbella the collection of the books of the New Testament is not something that is known that precisely, Irenaeus had a famous quote about the gospels, but that does not mean he is responsible for their general use throughout the churches, Athanasius had a canonical list in 367, again that doesn't mean he is responsible for what is in the list, you must understand much is lost in antiquity, so for him to make such broad sweeping claims is quite presumptuous
I am an atheist, but I don't see how it's plagiarism when the Quran itself links back as a continuation of JudeoChristian tradition? Plagiarism is when someone copies something without crediting - and this is not what Muhammad did.
@Scorpion17a Actually, it is copied without credit since Muhammed claims that the angel Gabriel told him all this first hand. That's plagiarism by any standard.
And it's a continuation of the Judeo-Christian tradition in that it has the exact same creation myth, patriarchs, heroes and deity. Many of the laws regarding social behavior are the same as are the ways of treating women, foreigners, children and non-believers.
Quran 52:17-24,4:57,76:12-21,55:46-76,and 47:15 say - in Islamic heaven Muslims will get many servants, meat, delicious fruits, exquisite wines and many houris for sex. Houri means beautiful maidens who awaits for muslims in. They would eat and drink but would neither spit, nor go to toilet !!! Houris will be "eternally young"," their entire body will remain hairless except the eyebrows and the head".They will always have SWELLING boobs.
Hitchens, ' God is not great' is one of my favourite books. For similar great thoughts try Dan Barker, John W. Loftus, Robert M Price, Valerie Tarico, Victor Stenger, Bart Ehrman, Ken Humphreys, Richard Carrier, Ken Pulliam, Keith Parsons, Gary Greenberg, Robert Ingersoll, Thomas Paine, Mark Twain, Earl Doherty, Israel Finkelstein, Daniel Dennett, C Dennis Mckinsey, Joseph Wheless, Bertrand Russell , Sam Harris
@PROFESSOR23MAEHEMM23 Did you know that the forests in British Columbia pre-date the Rocky Mountains? Mountain building and mountain razing occur frequently on our planet, and its geologic history is full of examples of it. Science rules.
@PROFESSOR23MAEHEMM23 It baffles me how intelligent and decent people discard evidence and find excuse to bible ancient myths. I wonder how many of them would forgo modern medical treatment in favor of those found in their respective holy books if they're seriously illness
Well in 40 years or so we will have no need to care about islam anymore. With no oil they can go on and kill themselves as they please. With their beliefs and rules we wont propably hear anything about important scientists. Let alone something from their culture that would actually benefit ours.
well im also sorry to say that, even if you say that 'Big Bang & human development' stages were discovered by 'Apa man' with his bamboo and piece of stone, it doesnt affect a bit to quran or islam. coz who discover first is not a matter here. its matter who created things and how things happend. yes if you dont have that debunking with you, u would feel u wasted ur life not believing in GOD. So suit urself. muslims are only allowed to deliver the message,not bothering if they accept or not. ;-)
its not just one thing so i asked you to watch the video coz it will explain more than i can write here. if you want example. quran talk about orbits, sun is not still and moving on its orbit, protective environmental layers of earth, purpose of mountains, water cycle, big bang, stages of human inside mother womb(embriology). etc..if you have time may b you can watch the video to see more. thnx.
@sahim333 Sorry to say that while seeing the videos you mention i also found some debunking all of those claims. It seems that most claims were already known by the Egyptians, the Sumerians and especially the Greeks. And some q'ran verses aren't mention by their true meaning, i.e. moon shedding light and not reflecting, or smoke interpreted as air and so on.
@sahim333 sorry i'm not interested in getting back into the religious path. i simply want to know more about those scientific claims that coincide with your holly book to see how accurate they are.
how come only the error free topics are similar in quran and other books, how Muhammad knew that these are correct lets copy and lets leave these coz its scientificly wrong!! this is never possible. only the creator knows which is right and which is wrong. why there is no error is quran? wht could possibly people knew 1400 yrs ago? if it was man made it suppose to be full of error.
all relgious book carry some miracles coz those came from same god. but all of them was distorted by greedy human except quran. Allah promised to preserve quran from distortion. its very much possible to have similarities in those books and quran. quran talks about human development in mother womb. the stages was exactly that todays scientist found. how could u say muhammad just guess those things. is it logical or stupidity ?
i agree with you that religious books talk about things that seems nonsense. coz we hv no proof yes. 1st you hv to believe there is a god, next you have to believe this is book of god only then it will make sense to follow his order or about hell/heaven. quran is not nonsense at all, as i said earlier you have to work on it to know. quran is full of miracles, man made quran which is 1400 yrs old couldnt possibly carry such scientific facts. Muhammad was illiterate he knew nothing about science.
@thatamazinggeek have you ever seen any mine? gold/oil/coal? to get something precious you have to work hard. you have to dig. to understand something you have to learn and use you brain. if you take your math book and throw it away after reading half of a page you will never learn math. only people with intelligent can properly understand the quran. same if u give to me the math einstein did about atom or gravity will look just rubish to me.
I don't understand the stupid islam. Quran says drinking wine is prohibited but in paradise you will have rivers of wine and houris. So as per quran you have to live a pious life on earth but you will allowed to commit any sin in paradise. WHAT A STUPID RELIGION AND STUPID BOOK.
@hindu4india no wonder wine gives u plesure but dont forget it also brings a lot of trouble in human life. Allah promised to give river of wine but it didnt say Pinot grigio or rose or something,wht i wanted to say is definetly it will not be same wine u drink on earth. but it will give u plesure similar to wine and it wont give you trouble as the wine people drink on earth. wine is not forbidden just coz its name is wine. its forbidden coz of trouble it brings. ISLAM is not stupid if u hv brain
@hindu4india Says someone who believes in multiple deities, practically multiple absolutes, considering that an absolute by definition is unique and above all else.
Do you really believe your pathetic Brahman and Shiva and Vishnu are better than God? The One God, Jehovah, Allah or whatever you want to call Him? Would they need other gods if they had the true and absolute power of God? Think about it for a while - think about why the Muslims and Christians have better lives and more resources.
@KeepEuropeWhite I hope I've helped you understand. If so, spread the message - I don't think you'd like people bashing on the UK just because some militaristic nation wanted your fairly traded exports, would you?
And if you don't understand, keep your ignorance away from me, please. Be a slave to the mass media.
@KeepEuropeWhite P.S. when I say bloody, militaristic bastards, I'm referring to their military and politicians, not the general populace. They think bigger guns give them the right to take whatever they want through force of arms
Also, I would expect and Englishman to have better manners than you displayed. Calling me a moron for telling the truth, before even analyzing what I've said? If you had any info on history and the current status quo, I wouldn't have needed to explain anything to you.
@KeepEuropeWhite It has to do with racism because white people bash both Islam and the Arab race for no other reason but the fact that America tells you to. And Muslims aren't evil, violent hypocrites - again a generalization created by America. Why? Because America wants petrol and the Arabs have more than everyone else combined, so instead of going to war and looking like the bloody, militaristic bastards they are, they used propaganda to turn the world against Arabs and Islam. Get my point?
Islam is an Abrahamic religion. It enforces belief in the fact that Abraham, Moses, Jesus and Mohammad were all prophets. In Islam, the Virgin Mary is the most respected and holiest of women, and Jesus a messenger of God. It does not say Mohammad is the only messenger of God, but the last one.
Islam is not a rip-off: its ancestry is represented by Judaism and Christianity. This video is just American racist propaganda. As I've said on many other videos, the Americans just want Arabic petrol.
Watch god be real and go oops sorry I actually didn't intervene with my creation. And I think it is insulting people on earth were speaking for me and pretending to know my thoughts(which is impossible). Watch god send you to hell for your arrogance. And to say well if atheist are right nothing happens to me when I die just take a second to look at the life you wasted. Because you thought you were being watched.
@Hashim2raza - you realized you have picked one religion out of thousands each with their own version of hell. What if.... What if.... What if your wrong. Food for thought. South park best made this example when I forgot who died but when they were at the pearly gates. St. Peter said "ooo sorry it was the moron religion we were looking for." your odds of being wrong are just as good.
and if chris himself says that ahdith and the different stories were written 200 or so years after muhaamd, than he can not draw conclusions based on these stories about the quran, that it was compiled 12,14 years after the prophet, the quran was compiled during the life of muhammad. and a testimony to its truth is that u find just a single version of the quran through out the world. and it hasnt been changed during these 1400 years. and just quote a single verse u find disagreable.
i urge all the readers to give some time and study the religions on there own, and not listen to some one who is biased, chris has reached an age where he cannot change his views and no matter how much sense u infuse into him he will not move. all i say is that if u atheists are right than well and good, none of us will face any jugment after life, but what if... what if u r wrong... food for thought..
@hashim2raza I have studied theology and have a 2:1 degree!. You are totally right in what you say, everyone should study all the religions , and then see for themselves that religion is a man made phenomenum!...The saying " what if you are wrong" is a question card that has been played by the Abrahamic faiths far too long. Common sense and science, shows we are not wrong!...The saying to those of faith should be " prove you are right"...something far more difficult to do..food for thought!
mister christpoher hitchens and his followers have made up there mind. what ever u say will fall on deaf ears. They call us, the followers of religion ignorant, but they themselves are the blind followers of christopher and are not willing to debate. or study on there own. as are also most followers of the religions. mister christopher in this video only proves and i agree that ahadith are not reliable. but he hasnt proven any thing against the quran. give some logic. dnt play with words.
I'm not sure its plagerism if the religion is an offshoot of the one your saying it plagerized. That's kinda like saying the bible plagerized the torah.
@Meskiagkasher Clearly you haven't seen much of what Hitchens has to say on the "Great Monotheisms". He calls the Torah a barbaric book, the Bible a plagarization of it, and the Quran a plagarization of the Bible and Torah... All I was saying was that Hitchens does argue this, and continues to do so.
@calthopian you must have misunderstood something. hitchens would never say something so stupid.
the torah *is* the first five books of the bible, the pentateuch, books of moses. genesis, exodus, leviticus, numbers, deuteronomy. together with neviim and ketuvim it forms the first bible, namely the septuagint, or "old testament". christians later added the "new testament". hitchens knows this full well and he would never claim the bible to be a plagiarization of itself. but maybe *you* would?
@Gonzoidzz dark cold soul not only does not believe in any god , he infact can never live people that believe in god alone. atheism: the belief that there was nothing and nothing happened to nothing.and nothing magically exploded for no reason,creating everything and then the bunch of every thing magically rearranged for no reason what so ever into self replicating bits which turned to dinasours:) . if this stupidity makes perfect sense to you fine, so do not pick on others
@Gonzoidzz YES. MUSLIMS ARE RIGHT. Allah says in the Quran:"The Koran is so confident of its divinely inspired language that it challenges those who question the Koran's authenticity to bring all the masters of literature together to produce even one chapter that achieves the same level of linguistic eloquence as the Koran" (10:37--38; 17:88) Quran is not plagiarism because of its superior writing style and unmatched wisdom.
It's a plagiarized hotch potch of twisted bible stories, Arab Paganism and violent blood thirsty junk. Right up your ignorant, unwashed, third world street of course. Try listening to Hitchens to you savage.
@lotr450 Muslims use that convenient dodge all the time. However, this works both ways: Do you know ancient Greek? No? Then you can't say that the Quran is the best book until you can read Homer in the original Greek. I guess we're at a standoff.
@Vincentaneous No I didn't. But I never claimed the Quran to be the most perfect book. Nevertheless, you can't compare a work of Arabic religious scripture to a work of Greek poetry. They're incomparable and irrelevant to each other.
@lotr450 Never claimed the Quran was the most perfect book? I think you're changing the goalposts, mate. Your challenge was to "bring all the masters of literature together to produce even one chapter that achieves the same level of linguistic eloquence as the Koran. Quran is not plagiarism because of its superior writing style and unmatched wisdom." Your words.
@lotr450 I think that Hamlet and the Odyssey both have the best writing style I've ever read (although I don't know Arabic) AND they offer better wisdom and insight on life than the Quran (this I can know from a translation). And you never limited your challenge to religious scripture. Besides, both Hamlet and the Odyssey are both about real historical events, but have twisted these events into a romantic myth. I would say the Quran does the exact same thing.
Christopher Hitchens wrote about the obvious. Like any rational person didn't know this shit in this video. If he was so brilliant he would have quit smoking and drinking. What a fucking idiot.
@Subatomic1000 christopther hitchen like patt campell they have a beef with god :)
they are both gay guys told and forced (by stupid human) to believe god must not love them for they are gay which is non -sense. every body who has a problem with god they just drew a conclusion that god does not love them in early age incident from 5 to 12 yrs old where they thought if he was there and loved them enough he should have been involved as though god never gave them brain or free will.
A book entitled "Earth" is considered a basic reference text in many universities around the world. 1 of the authors of this book is Frank Press.He is currently the President of the Academy of Sciences in the USA. Previously, he was the science advisor to former USA President Jimmy Carter. His book says that mountains have underlying roots [p. 435]. These roots are deeply embedded in the ground. So mountains have a shape like a peg as is seen in an example on page 220 in the same book.
@vaj99 So mountains have a shape like a peg as is seen in an example on page 220 in the same book. Another illustration shows how the mountains are peg-like in shape, due to their deep roots [p. 158].
This is how the Quran described mountains. God said in the Quran:
Have We not made the earth as a bed, and the mountains as pegs?[Holy Quran 78:6-7]
@FeralCr Modern earth sciences have proven that mountains have deep roots under the surface of the ground and that these roots can reach several times their elevations above the surface of the ground. So the suitable word to describe mountains on the basis of this information is the word 'peg', since most of a properly set peg is hidden under the surface of the ground. The history of science tells us that the theory of mountains having deep roots was introduced only in the latter
@PROFESSOR23MAEHEMM23 no, scientist have come up with the theory that mountains stabilise the tektonic plates. the greeks used to believe that the whole earth is on a back of a giant turtle. the quran didnt copy this.
Some uses these verses as an evidence of Quran’s falsehood and claims that these verses are allegedly talking about sun’s revolvement around earth. Hovewer, Quran is a literary work and understanding it requires knowledge of rhetorical devices. Quran is very rich in terms of rhetorical devices and the verses above employ one of them called “Point of View – (Third-Person Subjective Narrative)”. In other words, the above narrative is just an expression of Zulqarnain’s own reality.
Some use these verses as an evidence of Quran’s falsehood and claims that these verses are allegedly talking about sun’s revolvement around earth.Hovewer,Quran is a literary work and understanding it requires knowledge of rhetorical devices.Quran is very rich in terms of rhetorical devices and the verses above employ one of them called “Point of View – (3rd Person Subjective Narrative)”. In other words, the above narrative is just an expression of Zulqarnain’s own reality.
@PROFESSOR23MAEHEMM23 The quran duz not say that mountains prevent earthquakes. It has recently been discovered that mountains have deep roots. a mountain is 10 times bigger below the surface then above. mount everest stretches 70 miles below the crust. mountains act as giant pegs, they keep the earths crust pinned to the mantle. if there were no mountains then as u walked the earth wud shake with u.
An earthquake is caused by tekton plate movements.
@PROFESSOR23MAEHEMM23 uve got a wild imagination. the quran duz not say that the sun sets in a muddy spring. the verse u are referring to is about Zulqarnain. it is a story and it is a Point of view from his angle.
@PROFESSOR23MAEHEMM23 donnt know at the top of my head will find out. u will probably have a good laugh and say the the sun doesnt orbit the earth! wich it doesnt, but it does follow an its orbit around the milky way galaxy.
@PROFESSOR23MAEHEMM23 If the quran is right about 80% of the time, then u havee to assume that the remaining 20% is also true. we just have to hang on until the unbelievers discover it.
@vaj99 "7 universes has not yet been discovered, modern science is getting there slowly."
That is an unfounded or unsubstantiated claim. You might as well say something like that pink bunnies live on Saturn, but that science has not discovered them yet.
by the way uploader...ofcourse the qor'an has multiple explanations...duh...its the everlasting miracle and no matter what meaning u use for a word in order to explain or translate u get the same basic fact...the truth...
where the hell did u get ur info? read a book rather than newspaper titles
@khalilrabee Obviously, you didn't watch the video. It is Christopher Hitchens reading HIS book that he has researched thoroughly, not the uploader. You can read the book yourself if you'd like. However, you can't rebut it with red herrings, strawman and ad hominem. You need documented research.
AND UPLOADER THE PICTURE WITH THE POPE KISSING THAT BOOK IS EDITED U SICK VAMPIRE...WHO ARE U FOOLING? AND DO W WANT HIM TO KISS IT? NO...HE CAN ROT IN HELL ALONG WITH U...
@ciaochowbella cant u distinguish between a real picture and a fake one? look at the difference between the brightness at the pope, the qor'an and the arab
@khalilrabee It looks real to me. Just because YOU say it's fake or wish it to be doesn't mean it is. Can you show the real pic that it was edited from? Unless you can show the original that it's edited from, you are just making a baseless accusation.
@ciaochowbella u can see that the light is coming from the front of the pope...where is the shadow of his fingers over the qor'an? no shadow...also wheres the shadow of the qor'an over his face or cloths? its should be some shadow somewhere...also check the difference between the pope and the qor'an...the qor'an looks more clear than the pope...why is that?
@khalilrabee Dude, I don't care if the Pope kissed the Quran or not. I think Christianity and Islam are BOTH detrimental to humanity.
You're sort of proving how crazy religion makes people, by the way. You're not acting like you're reasonable, sane, thoughtful or logical. ALL of your responses are based in opinion and have no factual basis. So keep it up. You'll just be ONE MORE example of how religion poisons everything.
@ciaochowbella taking medieval christianity under consideration i dont blame u for thinking like that...
islam is different...unfortunetly governments who call themselves "islamic governments" arent islamic at all...
the islamic empire florished while europeans were acting like monkeys in the middle ages...science, physolophy, mathematics, chemistry and so on...inspired by the religion itself, based on the religion itself...
check the arabs before islam and see how they were and then u tell..
So what if Islam WAS an improvement at the time? It's time has obviously passed and it is now the archaic, hurtful mindset instead of the innovative one.
@ciaochowbella u blame islam for ppl being stupid? and yes time are changing, capitalism is falling islam is rising again, and the khilafah will be reestablished and the glory will come back again
@khalilrabee I blame RELIGION for people being willfully ignorant. Islam is a religion that exhorts its followers to deny ANY and ALL information that contradicts the Quran.....just like Christianity does. Your little propagandist rant there proves that you have swallowed the Islamic ideology hook, line and sinker.
Here's a question for you......did you choose Islam of your own accord or were you raised to be Muslim? Either way, I feel sorry for you.
@ciaochowbella my friend to doubt is a nature of the human being and i myself doubt islam many times...but everytime i doubt it i find more and more proof that islam is true and god does exist and islam is sent by god...
islam doesnt make ppl stupid or ignorant like i said...science florished in the islamic empire because of islam so how come those ppl didnt become ignorant? theres a difference between islam and what mass media calls islam...
@khalilrabee If science flourishes within Islam as you claim, why hasn't it contributed anything of use for over 500 years? Sure, Islam was once full of learned men and pioneered many fields of study. However, it hasn't contributed one medical, scientific, technological or ideological advancement for a very long time. It doesn't get to sit on it's laurels and claim to be forward thinking when its now one of the most archaic and backward ideologies out there.
@ciaochowbella yes its true in the past 500 years the islamic empire started to decline...why? well the islamic empire was based on islam and all the discoveries and research was inspired by islam...so why do u think the empire declined in the past 500 years? if the base of a home is bad the whole house will fall...
islam didnt become bad but the ppl stopped being interested in islam and followed other ideologies such as nationalism and tribalism...
@khalilrabee You didn't address my comment. I didn't ask why the Islamic empire declined. I asked why Islam hadn't contributed anything of use to human progress for over 500 years.
Don't make a side issue up and address that. Answer the question asked or admit you cannot.
@ciaochowbella im not making a side issue...what im saying is that islam didnt help ppl now because pl dont want to get helped and they arent interested in islam as they should be..i mean the muslims themselves...
this is the issue not islam...islam is the same as it was and its still inspiring to ppl who want to be inspired
@khalilrabee You still didn't answer the question. I didn't ask if Islam was inspirational. I asked why it hadn't contributed anything to human progress for over 500 years. No medical breakthroughs, no scientific discoveries, no inventions, no radical new ideas. It seems to me that Islam has been intellectually and practically stagnant for a very long time.
I'm trying to take you seriously, but I can't if you won't stick to the topic at hand and address the questions and concerns honestly.
@ciaochowbella i am sticking to the topic and as i said...islam is still there, the qor'an is there the hadith is there...if ppl dont want to apply islam like the prophet and his companions did then its not islam to blame but the ppl...islam has many solutions for evey aspect of life health, social, economy (islamic economy can end the crisis) and so on...but its not islam to blame if ppl dont want to follow it
@ciaochowbella u cant understand...noone can believe in something without questioning it...every person choses his belief based on proofs including me...whats so hard to understand? theres no person who simply swallows religion but its something based on convincion that something is true...every single muslim has questioned the qor'an at least once in his life...why? because doubting is a human nature and needs proofs to rely on something this is the answer...i grew in both chrstian and muslim f
@ciaochowbella i grew up in both christian and muslim families...if this is the answer u need...but this doesnt matter at all believe me...being a muslim doesnt depend on this
@ciaochowbella the khilafah will rise again soon..its just a matter of time, mohammad himself predicted it he said that a khilafah acording to the way of the prophethood will come after a period of dictatorial kingdoms...every country with a muslim majority is dictatorial now...and ppl are waking up everywehre in the world...and then ppl will see what islam is and the big difference between islam and what they thought islam was
@ciaochowbella scary? its not scary to 20 000 americans who become muslims every year, 40 000 french every year and so on...do u think anyone would become muslim if it was scary? im just answering u as a muslim and i think my answers are rational i dont know why u cant acept them
@khalilrabee 20,000 in a country of over 350 million isn't even .5 percent. There are more Pagans in the US than Muslims.
However, vox populi vox dei doesn't prove anything. Just because a lot of people do something or they do it for a long time doesn't make it right or good.
Popularity doesn't lend veracity.
And yes, people follow scary religions all the time. Look at Christianity....2.8 billion and counting...and they LOVE the idea that some poor man was tortured and murdered.
@ciaochowbella However, vox populi vox dei doesn't prove anything. Just because a lot of people do something or they do it for a long time doesn't make it right or good.
yes but thats a big number compared to the number of muslims during the life of the prophet...and this fact is prophesised in the qor'an in surah annasr.
i cant compair islam to christianity i think christianity is more a doctrine than a religion since emperor constantin...
@khalilrabee There's a difference between answering me as a Muslim and preaching at me. Going off on rambling diatribes that have NOTHING to do with what I asked is preaching. I've been extremely patient with you and look how long it's gotten you to answer just one of two questions. You're so concerned with the propaganda you can't form a reasoned response.
Honestly, how can you expect people to respect your faith if you don't respect them? It goes both ways.
@ciaochowbella i dont respect others faith? well that depends on what u understand by respect...i respect other ppl as being human beings just like me, im gentile to them, i talk to them and so on...but i cant respect their faith in the meaning of embracing their faith or emerging parts of their faiths with mine...theres a difffernce...and im not preaching i was just trying to explain that it doesnt matter if u were raised as a christian or muslim or any other...bing muslim doesnt depend on that
@khalilrabee I never said you should respect the faiths of others. I said RESPECT THEM. You don't respect me as a human if you preach to me. You told me bags of stuff that had NOTHING to do with the topic I was discussing. That IS preaching.
And do not assume I'm an idiot. I already KNOW one can choose to be Muslim, Christian or whatever. However, it DOES matter how you were raised. Most people stick to their indoctrination and you know it.
@ciaochowbella yes i know that but many ppl also leave that indoctrination...
anyway believe me i respect and i dont know why i scare u...:)) and i dont think ur stupid and i dont preach and everything i said has everything to do with the topic and to be honest i dont know why u say it doesnt
@khalilrabee SOME people leave their indoctrination. MOST don't.
You don't scare me. Trust that, dumplin. You were talking down to me and you were preaching. A lot of what you said had NOTHING to do with the topic at hand. You even mentioned imaginary regimes! How is that on topic?
@khalilrabee No, that wasn't preaching. That was an attempt to justify your preaching.
Baby, honey, darling, sweetie, I'm not stupid nor am I gullible. Don't piss on my leg and then tell me it's raining. You were proselytizing and attempting to justify your religion FAR outside the sphere of the questions I asked.
BTW, have I mentioned even once what I believe or what my faith is? No, I have not. Because I have respect for other PEOPLE. Not the faith, the person. Would that you had some.
@ciaochowbella now i dont know what ur talking about and if u want we can simply stop chatting...and like i said i dont preach its just the way i talk...i dont like answring by yes or no but i like to answer with the right answer in the right way...thats not preaching its just the way i talk:)
@khalilrabee Then you talk like a preacher. If you've got to qualify EVERYTHING you say with some sort of Muslim addendum, you're over-playing it. I appreciate a good answer. I really do. What I don't like is doctrine and dogma being touted as fact, which is what you did.
You can't talk AT me and think I'll listen. Talk TO me. Don't answer around a question to tout your ideology. Answer the question in a clear and concise manner. Play nice and I will too!
@ciaochowbella profound questions need profound answers...u asked me profound questions so i cant just answer with yes or no u understand? and i dont talk at u ur a lady and im not taught to talk at ladies or talk over ladies...
ok what do u want to ask me? and tell me how u want me to answer
@khalilrabee If my questions were so profound, you should recall them clearly.....or you can read back.
DO NOT call me a lady. I am a woman. I don't like being patronized and pigeon-holed into the submissive role the word 'lady' implies. It's not the compliment you think it is.
Frankly, I'd prefer it if you addressed me as if gender wasn't a concern. I'm not real keen on being talked to as "other".
Answer me directly without rhetoric and dogmatic ideas. Just the facts, jack!
and my e-mail is khalilrabee50 at yahoo dot com...u can ask me anything u want just list the questions and ill do my best to answer u...if i dont know something then ill tell i dont know
@khalilrabee I'm not watching that video because you don't respect me enough to address me without the religious rhetoric. I'm not going to email you because there is NO WAY I want you having the means to contact me. You don't seem stable and you're kind of scary in your preachments.
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pcgamer010 2 weeks ago
Of all the religions in the world, islam has to be one that attracts the most ignorant in great numbers.
pmoyer50 2 weeks ago
White men is evil because they love to talk shit about what the other believe. White people we dont scared at you. White men you cant ever fight with alqaeda how can you fifth with 1 billion Muslim remember what happen to the Romans then
AHMEDBULAXUBEY 3 weeks ago
@AHMEDBULAXUBEY Hate-mongering scum.
pcgamer010 2 weeks ago
QFT brother. no one should ever listen to the lies of this self-proclaimed prophet, muhammad is a deceiver just like his god, the quran says that "ALLAH IS THE GREATEST OF DECEIVERS" islam is a religion of deception...may the true God(Jesus) open your eyes and show you the true way.
jojjimbo 3 weeks ago
the sira of Mohammad is in by itself a very questionable tale. A man never been a cause for any notoriety for 40 years then all of the sudden declares himself a prophet overnight, and without any physical miracles to back up his claim, his biography written some century after his death is full of legendary and sometimes absurd stories and accounts of conception, pregnancy , birth, infancy, childhood, youth, and adulthood.
waleedsuv 1 month ago 2
Muhammed never claimed that he was creating a new religion, but bringing a very old one to the Arabs, so how does this constitute as plagiarism?
DKB786 1 month ago
This is dumb
edgespear101 1 month ago
While watching a debate between Lane Craig and Badawi, it caught my attention that there was no way the Quran could have been the Truth. I suspected plagiarism and sure enough it turns out that many already know. Muhammad was a fraud. A lying murderer. So what you have in Islam is essentially stolen texts. The only original texts involve breeding violence against anyone who isn't muslim. Of course the trned shows this to be true. From beginning to end, Islam has created hostility.
highnote606 2 months ago
@thatamazinggeek Try Bible, it is even funnier (Moslems put some logic in some parts while writing Koran)
felistigris 2 months ago
@sahim333 In the Koran, how does it explain the male seed and where it comes from? Is it true that is is written that the male seed comes from the spine?
someitalian 3 months ago
What an utter nonsense !!! lol :)
MrBeautifuluniverse 3 months ago
It is clear why you are dying, "utter blasphemy." Repent, for the lord is ever forgiving. God have mercy on our soles
SISTIC1 3 months ago
@SISTIC1 Yes, God is a podiatrist.
BoredIslandGirl 3 months ago 2
@SISTIC1 he is actually getting better
philzilla2k 2 months ago
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@philzilla2k God knows best!
SISTIC1 2 months ago
@SISTIC1 LOL Im sure the starving kids around Africa must of blasphemed as well. Or maybe they arent praying hard enough. Your a sad brain dead loser. Go die. Dont have offspring.
romin256 2 months ago
@romin256 'don't have offspring' do you know how much of a Nazi Eugenicist you sound like?
KakkoiiSasuke 3 weeks ago
@KakkoiiSasuke If all your going to do is spread ignorance and stupidity to the world, THEN YES I MEAN WHEN I SAY. DONT HAVE OFFSPRING!! All you brain dead parrots need to wake up and realize this is it! You got one life to live so make it count. Make this the best it can be. Be kind to others and live and let live. Or die and be forgotten like so many in the past who refused to change and adapt to the times.
romin256 3 weeks ago
Christopher Hitchens has not one shred of evidence for his claims concerning Irenaeus and Athanasius and the New Testament
chatarapha 3 months ago
@chatarapha Actually, he does. It's called 'history'. Perhaps you've heard of it?
ciaochowbella 3 months ago
@ciaochowbella the collection of the books of the New Testament is not something that is known that precisely, Irenaeus had a famous quote about the gospels, but that does not mean he is responsible for their general use throughout the churches, Athanasius had a canonical list in 367, again that doesn't mean he is responsible for what is in the list, you must understand much is lost in antiquity, so for him to make such broad sweeping claims is quite presumptuous
chatarapha 3 months ago
I am an atheist, but I don't see how it's plagiarism when the Quran itself links back as a continuation of JudeoChristian tradition? Plagiarism is when someone copies something without crediting - and this is not what Muhammad did.
Scorpion17a 4 months ago
@Scorpion17a it plagiarises non-judeochristian things too
jungleman68 3 months ago
@Scorpion17a Actually, it is copied without credit since Muhammed claims that the angel Gabriel told him all this first hand. That's plagiarism by any standard.
And it's a continuation of the Judeo-Christian tradition in that it has the exact same creation myth, patriarchs, heroes and deity. Many of the laws regarding social behavior are the same as are the ways of treating women, foreigners, children and non-believers.
Second verse same as the first.....
ciaochowbella 3 months ago
Funny how the perfect Quran needs explanations. cant Allah explain himself?
chrstilen5 4 months ago
@chrstilen5
According to 43:3 it is perfectly understandable at least to arabic people, but:
1)they are more confused than they understand sh!t about it..
2) when they translate it we get confused and shocked what kind of idiocy they call "perfect god's word" and "without errors"
realbojay 4 months ago
@realbojay A perfect book can be eazy anderstod by anyone ;D And it would not be hard to translate, because the book would be so obvius.
Therefor islam is actualy just what it semms to be. Evil. :D
chrstilen5 4 months ago
ALLAH RUNS A BROTHEL
Quran 52:17-24,4:57,76:12-21,55:46-76,and 47:15 say - in Islamic heaven Muslims will get many servants, meat, delicious fruits, exquisite wines and many houris for sex. Houri means beautiful maidens who awaits for muslims in. They would eat and drink but would neither spit, nor go to toilet !!! Houris will be "eternally young"," their entire body will remain hairless except the eyebrows and the head".They will always have SWELLING boobs.
adamsmith2011 4 months ago
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Hitchens, ' God is not great' is one of my favourite books. For similar great thoughts try Dan Barker, John W. Loftus, Robert M Price, Valerie Tarico, Victor Stenger, Bart Ehrman, Ken Humphreys, Richard Carrier, Ken Pulliam, Keith Parsons, Gary Greenberg, Robert Ingersoll, Thomas Paine, Mark Twain, Earl Doherty, Israel Finkelstein, Daniel Dennett, C Dennis Mckinsey, Joseph Wheless, Bertrand Russell , Sam Harris
zytigon 5 months ago
@PROFESSOR23MAEHEMM23 Did you know that the forests in British Columbia pre-date the Rocky Mountains? Mountain building and mountain razing occur frequently on our planet, and its geologic history is full of examples of it. Science rules.
ScottKeith7025 5 months ago
Thank you for posting this, fightIslamicCensore3.
writersblock26 6 months ago
@PROFESSOR23MAEHEMM23 It baffles me how intelligent and decent people discard evidence and find excuse to bible ancient myths. I wonder how many of them would forgo modern medical treatment in favor of those found in their respective holy books if they're seriously illness
petion2010 6 months ago
For those who would like more about Islam I can recommend the following book:
Why I Am Not a Muslim by Ibn Warraq
Paperback: 428 pages
Prometheus Books; New Edition
Language English
ISBN-10: 1591020115
ISBN-13: 978-1591020110
mgketteridge 6 months ago
Well in 40 years or so we will have no need to care about islam anymore. With no oil they can go on and kill themselves as they please. With their beliefs and rules we wont propably hear anything about important scientists. Let alone something from their culture that would actually benefit ours.
I hope the time comes soon.
mymom1234 6 months ago
where's the rest
munkdo3 7 months ago
what book is he reading from
munkdo3 7 months ago
@munkdo3 Is this from God is not Great? I think it is..
purewilderness 7 months ago
@munkdo3 His 2007 book, "God is not Great: How Religion poisons everything."
writersblock26 6 months ago
well im also sorry to say that, even if you say that 'Big Bang & human development' stages were discovered by 'Apa man' with his bamboo and piece of stone, it doesnt affect a bit to quran or islam. coz who discover first is not a matter here. its matter who created things and how things happend. yes if you dont have that debunking with you, u would feel u wasted ur life not believing in GOD. So suit urself. muslims are only allowed to deliver the message,not bothering if they accept or not. ;-)
sahim333 7 months ago
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@sahim333 Is that why they fly planes into buildings?
lishey100 6 months ago
its not just one thing so i asked you to watch the video coz it will explain more than i can write here. if you want example. quran talk about orbits, sun is not still and moving on its orbit, protective environmental layers of earth, purpose of mountains, water cycle, big bang, stages of human inside mother womb(embriology). etc..if you have time may b you can watch the video to see more. thnx.
sahim333 7 months ago
@sahim333 Sorry to say that while seeing the videos you mention i also found some debunking all of those claims. It seems that most claims were already known by the Egyptians, the Sumerians and especially the Greeks. And some q'ran verses aren't mention by their true meaning, i.e. moon shedding light and not reflecting, or smoke interpreted as air and so on.
ZZzzzzzWhat 7 months ago
im glad you asked. please watch this video to understand.: youtu.be /3fGsTGTM3kk
hope God will show you the right path.
sahim333 7 months ago
@sahim333 sorry i'm not interested in getting back into the religious path. i simply want to know more about those scientific claims that coincide with your holly book to see how accurate they are.
ZZzzzzzWhat 7 months ago
how come only the error free topics are similar in quran and other books, how Muhammad knew that these are correct lets copy and lets leave these coz its scientificly wrong!! this is never possible. only the creator knows which is right and which is wrong. why there is no error is quran? wht could possibly people knew 1400 yrs ago? if it was man made it suppose to be full of error.
sahim333 7 months ago
@sahim333 which scientific claims does the q'ran speak of "1400 yrs ago"?
ZZzzzzzWhat 7 months ago
all relgious book carry some miracles coz those came from same god. but all of them was distorted by greedy human except quran. Allah promised to preserve quran from distortion. its very much possible to have similarities in those books and quran. quran talks about human development in mother womb. the stages was exactly that todays scientist found. how could u say muhammad just guess those things. is it logical or stupidity ?
sahim333 7 months ago
i agree with you that religious books talk about things that seems nonsense. coz we hv no proof yes. 1st you hv to believe there is a god, next you have to believe this is book of god only then it will make sense to follow his order or about hell/heaven. quran is not nonsense at all, as i said earlier you have to work on it to know. quran is full of miracles, man made quran which is 1400 yrs old couldnt possibly carry such scientific facts. Muhammad was illiterate he knew nothing about science.
sahim333 7 months ago
@thatamazinggeek have you ever seen any mine? gold/oil/coal? to get something precious you have to work hard. you have to dig. to understand something you have to learn and use you brain. if you take your math book and throw it away after reading half of a page you will never learn math. only people with intelligent can properly understand the quran. same if u give to me the math einstein did about atom or gravity will look just rubish to me.
sahim333 7 months ago
I don't understand the stupid islam. Quran says drinking wine is prohibited but in paradise you will have rivers of wine and houris. So as per quran you have to live a pious life on earth but you will allowed to commit any sin in paradise. WHAT A STUPID RELIGION AND STUPID BOOK.
hindu4india 7 months ago
@hindu4india no wonder wine gives u plesure but dont forget it also brings a lot of trouble in human life. Allah promised to give river of wine but it didnt say Pinot grigio or rose or something,wht i wanted to say is definetly it will not be same wine u drink on earth. but it will give u plesure similar to wine and it wont give you trouble as the wine people drink on earth. wine is not forbidden just coz its name is wine. its forbidden coz of trouble it brings. ISLAM is not stupid if u hv brain
sahim333 7 months ago
@hindu4india Says someone who believes in multiple deities, practically multiple absolutes, considering that an absolute by definition is unique and above all else.
Do you really believe your pathetic Brahman and Shiva and Vishnu are better than God? The One God, Jehovah, Allah or whatever you want to call Him? Would they need other gods if they had the true and absolute power of God? Think about it for a while - think about why the Muslims and Christians have better lives and more resources.
AndyRaslan 7 months ago
@KeepEuropeWhite I hope I've helped you understand. If so, spread the message - I don't think you'd like people bashing on the UK just because some militaristic nation wanted your fairly traded exports, would you?
And if you don't understand, keep your ignorance away from me, please. Be a slave to the mass media.
AndyRaslan 7 months ago
@KeepEuropeWhite P.S. when I say bloody, militaristic bastards, I'm referring to their military and politicians, not the general populace. They think bigger guns give them the right to take whatever they want through force of arms
Also, I would expect and Englishman to have better manners than you displayed. Calling me a moron for telling the truth, before even analyzing what I've said? If you had any info on history and the current status quo, I wouldn't have needed to explain anything to you.
AndyRaslan 7 months ago
@KeepEuropeWhite It has to do with racism because white people bash both Islam and the Arab race for no other reason but the fact that America tells you to. And Muslims aren't evil, violent hypocrites - again a generalization created by America. Why? Because America wants petrol and the Arabs have more than everyone else combined, so instead of going to war and looking like the bloody, militaristic bastards they are, they used propaganda to turn the world against Arabs and Islam. Get my point?
AndyRaslan 7 months ago
Islam is an Abrahamic religion. It enforces belief in the fact that Abraham, Moses, Jesus and Mohammad were all prophets. In Islam, the Virgin Mary is the most respected and holiest of women, and Jesus a messenger of God. It does not say Mohammad is the only messenger of God, but the last one.
Islam is not a rip-off: its ancestry is represented by Judaism and Christianity. This video is just American racist propaganda. As I've said on many other videos, the Americans just want Arabic petrol.
AndyRaslan 7 months ago
Watch god be real and go oops sorry I actually didn't intervene with my creation. And I think it is insulting people on earth were speaking for me and pretending to know my thoughts(which is impossible). Watch god send you to hell for your arrogance. And to say well if atheist are right nothing happens to me when I die just take a second to look at the life you wasted. Because you thought you were being watched.
ThePublicIsInsane 7 months ago
@Hashim2raza - you realized you have picked one religion out of thousands each with their own version of hell. What if.... What if.... What if your wrong. Food for thought. South park best made this example when I forgot who died but when they were at the pearly gates. St. Peter said "ooo sorry it was the moron religion we were looking for." your odds of being wrong are just as good.
ThePublicIsInsane 7 months ago
where did you get this audio excerpt from?
Gothguy47 8 months ago
more stories in new-muslims . com
learnislam00 9 months ago
Boring Allah is gay
100kidane 9 months ago
and if chris himself says that ahdith and the different stories were written 200 or so years after muhaamd, than he can not draw conclusions based on these stories about the quran, that it was compiled 12,14 years after the prophet, the quran was compiled during the life of muhammad. and a testimony to its truth is that u find just a single version of the quran through out the world. and it hasnt been changed during these 1400 years. and just quote a single verse u find disagreable.
hashim2raza 9 months ago
i urge all the readers to give some time and study the religions on there own, and not listen to some one who is biased, chris has reached an age where he cannot change his views and no matter how much sense u infuse into him he will not move. all i say is that if u atheists are right than well and good, none of us will face any jugment after life, but what if... what if u r wrong... food for thought..
hashim2raza 9 months ago
@hashim2raza I have studied theology and have a 2:1 degree!. You are totally right in what you say, everyone should study all the religions , and then see for themselves that religion is a man made phenomenum!...The saying " what if you are wrong" is a question card that has been played by the Abrahamic faiths far too long. Common sense and science, shows we are not wrong!...The saying to those of faith should be " prove you are right"...something far more difficult to do..food for thought!
yeovil50 9 months ago
@hashim2raza
your comments pierced the bullseye.
nem700 8 months ago
mister christpoher hitchens and his followers have made up there mind. what ever u say will fall on deaf ears. They call us, the followers of religion ignorant, but they themselves are the blind followers of christopher and are not willing to debate. or study on there own. as are also most followers of the religions. mister christopher in this video only proves and i agree that ahadith are not reliable. but he hasnt proven any thing against the quran. give some logic. dnt play with words.
hashim2raza 9 months ago
@hashim2raza
The cult of cristopher hitchens is just that, a cult.
nem700 8 months ago
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DanGRtheMan 10 months ago
I'm not sure its plagerism if the religion is an offshoot of the one your saying it plagerized. That's kinda like saying the bible plagerized the torah.
bdpickett 10 months ago
@bdpickett I'm pretty sure Hitchens would argue that the Bible is a plagiarism of the torah.
calthopian 10 months ago
@calthopian the torah is a part of the bible. what are you talking about?
Meskiagkasher 9 months ago
@Meskiagkasher Clearly you haven't seen much of what Hitchens has to say on the "Great Monotheisms". He calls the Torah a barbaric book, the Bible a plagarization of it, and the Quran a plagarization of the Bible and Torah... All I was saying was that Hitchens does argue this, and continues to do so.
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Meskiagkasher 9 months ago
@calthopian you must have misunderstood something. hitchens would never say something so stupid.
the torah *is* the first five books of the bible, the pentateuch, books of moses. genesis, exodus, leviticus, numbers, deuteronomy. together with neviim and ketuvim it forms the first bible, namely the septuagint, or "old testament". christians later added the "new testament". hitchens knows this full well and he would never claim the bible to be a plagiarization of itself. but maybe *you* would?
Meskiagkasher 9 months ago
@bdpickett hitchens says that too in God is Not Great
georgek19 9 months ago
Yet the Islamic sheep believe every word is divine and unalterable. Dumb Muslims!
Gonzoidzz 11 months ago
@Gonzoidzz christendom people like you ten thousand fold worse . you worship a dead jew ! jesus . !
who could somebody that eat food and take a shit and pray for his god can be god himself!!
devinedelilah 10 months ago
@devinedelilah
I am an atheist you clod.
Gonzoidzz 10 months ago
@Gonzoidzz dark cold soul not only does not believe in any god , he infact can never live people that believe in god alone. atheism: the belief that there was nothing and nothing happened to nothing.and nothing magically exploded for no reason,creating everything and then the bunch of every thing magically rearranged for no reason what so ever into self replicating bits which turned to dinasours:) . if this stupidity makes perfect sense to you fine, so do not pick on others
devinedelilah 10 months ago
@Gonzoidzz YES. MUSLIMS ARE RIGHT. Allah says in the Quran:"The Koran is so confident of its divinely inspired language that it challenges those who question the Koran's authenticity to bring all the masters of literature together to produce even one chapter that achieves the same level of linguistic eloquence as the Koran" (10:37--38; 17:88) Quran is not plagiarism because of its superior writing style and unmatched wisdom.
lotr450 10 months ago
@lotr450
It's a plagiarized hotch potch of twisted bible stories, Arab Paganism and violent blood thirsty junk. Right up your ignorant, unwashed, third world street of course. Try listening to Hitchens to you savage.
Gonzoidzz 10 months ago
@lotr450 Hamlet. The Odyssey. The Republic. Challenge met. The Quran is nothing compared to those works of literature.
Vincentaneous 7 months ago
@Vincentaneous LOL! How can you compare a work of English Literature to a work of Arabic scripture. You don't even know Arabic you jackass.
lotr450 7 months ago
@lotr450 Muslims use that convenient dodge all the time. However, this works both ways: Do you know ancient Greek? No? Then you can't say that the Quran is the best book until you can read Homer in the original Greek. I guess we're at a standoff.
Vincentaneous 7 months ago
@Vincentaneous Let me ask you a question. Did you even read the Quran before making that assertion?
lotr450 7 months ago
@lotr450 Did you read the Odyssey in the original Greek before you ever said the Quran was the most perfect book?
Vincentaneous 7 months ago
@Vincentaneous No I didn't. But I never claimed the Quran to be the most perfect book. Nevertheless, you can't compare a work of Arabic religious scripture to a work of Greek poetry. They're incomparable and irrelevant to each other.
lotr450 7 months ago
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@lotr450 Never claimed the Quran was the most perfect book? I think you're changing the goalposts, mate. Your challenge was to "bring all the masters of literature together to produce even one chapter that achieves the same level of linguistic eloquence as the Koran. Quran is not plagiarism because of its superior writing style and unmatched wisdom." Your words.
Vincentaneous 7 months ago
@lotr450 I think that Hamlet and the Odyssey both have the best writing style I've ever read (although I don't know Arabic) AND they offer better wisdom and insight on life than the Quran (this I can know from a translation). And you never limited your challenge to religious scripture. Besides, both Hamlet and the Odyssey are both about real historical events, but have twisted these events into a romantic myth. I would say the Quran does the exact same thing.
Vincentaneous 7 months ago
@Vincentaneous Did you even read the Quran?
lotr450 7 months ago
@lotr450 Most of it. It was hard to get through. It was not exactly a page-turner.
Vincentaneous 7 months ago
@Vincentaneous Ok, that's you opinion and I respect it.
lotr450 7 months ago
Christopher Hitchens wrote about the obvious. Like any rational person didn't know this shit in this video. If he was so brilliant he would have quit smoking and drinking. What a fucking idiot.
Subatomic1000 11 months ago
@Subatomic1000 christopther hitchen like patt campell they have a beef with god :)
they are both gay guys told and forced (by stupid human) to believe god must not love them for they are gay which is non -sense. every body who has a problem with god they just drew a conclusion that god does not love them in early age incident from 5 to 12 yrs old where they thought if he was there and loved them enough he should have been involved as though god never gave them brain or free will.
devinedelilah 10 months ago
@Subatomic1000
*Sigh*. More ad hominem attacks...
Jabbowhaa 10 months ago
@PROFESSOR23MAEHEMM23 No, it's... Terrifying that someone can be so.... Uneducated... It's criminal!
FeralCr 1 year ago
@PROFESSOR23MAEHEMM23 duz the earth spin? if there were no mountains then the earth wud be to unstable to support life?
vaj99 1 year ago
@PROFESSOR23MAEHEMM23 does the verse mention zulqarnain? is the story from his point of view?
vaj99 1 year ago
@PROFESSOR23MAEHEMM23 Mountains stabilize a spinning sphere like the lead weights on a tire......
Science will one day catch up with the Quran and prove it true.
Congrats !!
vaj99 1 year ago
@vaj99 ... Ex.... Except that.... Mountains don't stabilize the planet when it spins...
.... A.... Are you serious?
FeralCr 1 year ago
@FeralCr do u know how thin the earths crust is? it is 10 times thinner then an eggshell to scale.
a mountain acts as a giant peg it keeps the crust pinned down.
vaj99 1 year ago
@vaj99 Not even close... You -really- need to go to school.
FeralCr 1 year ago
A book entitled "Earth" is considered a basic reference text in many universities around the world. 1 of the authors of this book is Frank Press.He is currently the President of the Academy of Sciences in the USA. Previously, he was the science advisor to former USA President Jimmy Carter. His book says that mountains have underlying roots [p. 435]. These roots are deeply embedded in the ground. So mountains have a shape like a peg as is seen in an example on page 220 in the same book.
vaj99 1 year ago
@vaj99 So mountains have a shape like a peg as is seen in an example on page 220 in the same book. Another illustration shows how the mountains are peg-like in shape, due to their deep roots [p. 158].
This is how the Quran described mountains. God said in the Quran:
Have We not made the earth as a bed, and the mountains as pegs?[Holy Quran 78:6-7]
vaj99 1 year ago
@FeralCr Modern earth sciences have proven that mountains have deep roots under the surface of the ground and that these roots can reach several times their elevations above the surface of the ground. So the suitable word to describe mountains on the basis of this information is the word 'peg', since most of a properly set peg is hidden under the surface of the ground. The history of science tells us that the theory of mountains having deep roots was introduced only in the latter
vaj99 1 year ago
@PROFESSOR23MAEHEMM23 no, scientist have come up with the theory that mountains stabilise the tektonic plates. the greeks used to believe that the whole earth is on a back of a giant turtle. the quran didnt copy this.
vaj99 1 year ago
Some uses these verses as an evidence of Quran’s falsehood and claims that these verses are allegedly talking about sun’s revolvement around earth. Hovewer, Quran is a literary work and understanding it requires knowledge of rhetorical devices. Quran is very rich in terms of rhetorical devices and the verses above employ one of them called “Point of View – (Third-Person Subjective Narrative)”. In other words, the above narrative is just an expression of Zulqarnain’s own reality.
vaj99 1 year ago
Some use these verses as an evidence of Quran’s falsehood and claims that these verses are allegedly talking about sun’s revolvement around earth.Hovewer,Quran is a literary work and understanding it requires knowledge of rhetorical devices.Quran is very rich in terms of rhetorical devices and the verses above employ one of them called “Point of View – (3rd Person Subjective Narrative)”. In other words, the above narrative is just an expression of Zulqarnain’s own reality.
vaj99 1 year ago
@PROFESSOR23MAEHEMM23 The quran duz not say that mountains prevent earthquakes. It has recently been discovered that mountains have deep roots. a mountain is 10 times bigger below the surface then above. mount everest stretches 70 miles below the crust. mountains act as giant pegs, they keep the earths crust pinned to the mantle. if there were no mountains then as u walked the earth wud shake with u.
An earthquake is caused by tekton plate movements.
vaj99 1 year ago
@PROFESSOR23MAEHEMM23 uve got a wild imagination. the quran duz not say that the sun sets in a muddy spring. the verse u are referring to is about Zulqarnain. it is a story and it is a Point of view from his angle.
vaj99 1 year ago
Yasin/40
It is not permitted to the Sun to catch up the Moon, nor can the Night outstrip the Day, and they all swim in an orbit.
Enbiya/33
It is He Who created the Night and the Day, and the sun and the moon: all (of them) swim in an orbit.
vaj99 1 year ago
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vaj99 1 year ago
@PROFESSOR23MAEHEMM23 donnt know at the top of my head will find out. u will probably have a good laugh and say the the sun doesnt orbit the earth! wich it doesnt, but it does follow an its orbit around the milky way galaxy.
vaj99 1 year ago
@PROFESSOR23MAEHEMM23 If the quran is right about 80% of the time, then u havee to assume that the remaining 20% is also true. we just have to hang on until the unbelievers discover it.
vaj99 1 year ago
@PROFESSOR23MAEHEMM23 27:61 is refering to the earths crust wich is firm to live on.
15:19 is refering to the continents. they were originally joined together. then they spread out and oceans formed between them.
yes there is a verse which says that the sun, moon and earth are each in an orbit.
vaj99 1 year ago
@PROFESSOR23MAEHEMM23 7 universes has not yet been discovered, modern science is getting there slowly.
vaj99 1 year ago
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@vaj99 "7 universes has not yet been discovered, modern science is getting there slowly."
That is an unfounded or unsubstantiated claim. You might as well say something like that pink bunnies live on Saturn, but that science has not discovered them yet.
PROFESSOR23MAEHEMM23 1 year ago
@PROFESSOR23MAEHEMM23 Universe is expanding? stages of the embryo, iron from outerspace,
7 universes. 7 layers earths atmosphere. internal waves, black holes, qausers, life on other planets,
mountain earth stabilisers,
vaj99 1 year ago
by the way uploader...ofcourse the qor'an has multiple explanations...duh...its the everlasting miracle and no matter what meaning u use for a word in order to explain or translate u get the same basic fact...the truth...
where the hell did u get ur info? read a book rather than newspaper titles
khalilrabee 1 year ago 2
@khalilrabee Obviously, you didn't watch the video. It is Christopher Hitchens reading HIS book that he has researched thoroughly, not the uploader. You can read the book yourself if you'd like. However, you can't rebut it with red herrings, strawman and ad hominem. You need documented research.
ciaochowbella 1 year ago
This is what happen when a person misguides huge number of people to falsehood..
after a long time of misguiding he will really believe his own lies.. and his heart is closed
To all muslim don't bother reasoning with him.. It doesn't matter if you warn them or not
PhotonUponLight 1 year ago
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@PhotonUponLight
pot, kettle, black.
Mattyb88ful 1 year ago
AND UPLOADER THE PICTURE WITH THE POPE KISSING THAT BOOK IS EDITED U SICK VAMPIRE...WHO ARE U FOOLING? AND DO W WANT HIM TO KISS IT? NO...HE CAN ROT IN HELL ALONG WITH U...
khalilrabee 1 year ago 2
@khalilrabee Can you prove that the pic of the Pope kissing the Quran is edited? Please cite your source.
ciaochowbella 1 year ago
@ciaochowbella cant u distinguish between a real picture and a fake one? look at the difference between the brightness at the pope, the qor'an and the arab
khalilrabee 1 year ago 2
@khalilrabee It looks real to me. Just because YOU say it's fake or wish it to be doesn't mean it is. Can you show the real pic that it was edited from? Unless you can show the original that it's edited from, you are just making a baseless accusation.
ciaochowbella 1 year ago
@ciaochowbella u can see that the light is coming from the front of the pope...where is the shadow of his fingers over the qor'an? no shadow...also wheres the shadow of the qor'an over his face or cloths? its should be some shadow somewhere...also check the difference between the pope and the qor'an...the qor'an looks more clear than the pope...why is that?
khalilrabee 1 year ago 2
@khalilrabee I don't see it. Unless you can show the unedited pic, this one stands as real.
ciaochowbella 1 year ago
@ciaochowbella ofcourse u dont see it...theres no shadow while there should be...and ur answer shows us how u like to be brainwashed
khalilrabee 1 year ago 2
@khalilrabee Dude, I don't care if the Pope kissed the Quran or not. I think Christianity and Islam are BOTH detrimental to humanity.
You're sort of proving how crazy religion makes people, by the way. You're not acting like you're reasonable, sane, thoughtful or logical. ALL of your responses are based in opinion and have no factual basis. So keep it up. You'll just be ONE MORE example of how religion poisons everything.
ciaochowbella 1 year ago
@ciaochowbella taking medieval christianity under consideration i dont blame u for thinking like that...
islam is different...unfortunetly governments who call themselves "islamic governments" arent islamic at all...
the islamic empire florished while europeans were acting like monkeys in the middle ages...science, physolophy, mathematics, chemistry and so on...inspired by the religion itself, based on the religion itself...
check the arabs before islam and see how they were and then u tell..
khalilrabee 1 year ago 2
@khalilrabee Dude, I'm not a Christian.
So what if Islam WAS an improvement at the time? It's time has obviously passed and it is now the archaic, hurtful mindset instead of the innovative one.
Times change and so should the rules.
ciaochowbella 1 year ago
@ciaochowbella u blame islam for ppl being stupid? and yes time are changing, capitalism is falling islam is rising again, and the khilafah will be reestablished and the glory will come back again
khalilrabee 1 year ago 2
@khalilrabee I blame RELIGION for people being willfully ignorant. Islam is a religion that exhorts its followers to deny ANY and ALL information that contradicts the Quran.....just like Christianity does. Your little propagandist rant there proves that you have swallowed the Islamic ideology hook, line and sinker.
Here's a question for you......did you choose Islam of your own accord or were you raised to be Muslim? Either way, I feel sorry for you.
ciaochowbella 1 year ago
@ciaochowbella my friend to doubt is a nature of the human being and i myself doubt islam many times...but everytime i doubt it i find more and more proof that islam is true and god does exist and islam is sent by god...
islam doesnt make ppl stupid or ignorant like i said...science florished in the islamic empire because of islam so how come those ppl didnt become ignorant? theres a difference between islam and what mass media calls islam...
khalilrabee 1 year ago 2
@khalilrabee If science flourishes within Islam as you claim, why hasn't it contributed anything of use for over 500 years? Sure, Islam was once full of learned men and pioneered many fields of study. However, it hasn't contributed one medical, scientific, technological or ideological advancement for a very long time. It doesn't get to sit on it's laurels and claim to be forward thinking when its now one of the most archaic and backward ideologies out there.
ciaochowbella 1 year ago
@ciaochowbella yes its true in the past 500 years the islamic empire started to decline...why? well the islamic empire was based on islam and all the discoveries and research was inspired by islam...so why do u think the empire declined in the past 500 years? if the base of a home is bad the whole house will fall...
islam didnt become bad but the ppl stopped being interested in islam and followed other ideologies such as nationalism and tribalism...
khalilrabee 1 year ago 2
@khalilrabee You didn't address my comment. I didn't ask why the Islamic empire declined. I asked why Islam hadn't contributed anything of use to human progress for over 500 years.
Don't make a side issue up and address that. Answer the question asked or admit you cannot.
ciaochowbella 1 year ago
@ciaochowbella im not making a side issue...what im saying is that islam didnt help ppl now because pl dont want to get helped and they arent interested in islam as they should be..i mean the muslims themselves...
this is the issue not islam...islam is the same as it was and its still inspiring to ppl who want to be inspired
khalilrabee 1 year ago 2
@khalilrabee You still didn't answer the question. I didn't ask if Islam was inspirational. I asked why it hadn't contributed anything to human progress for over 500 years. No medical breakthroughs, no scientific discoveries, no inventions, no radical new ideas. It seems to me that Islam has been intellectually and practically stagnant for a very long time.
I'm trying to take you seriously, but I can't if you won't stick to the topic at hand and address the questions and concerns honestly.
ciaochowbella 1 year ago
@ciaochowbella i am sticking to the topic and as i said...islam is still there, the qor'an is there the hadith is there...if ppl dont want to apply islam like the prophet and his companions did then its not islam to blame but the ppl...islam has many solutions for evey aspect of life health, social, economy (islamic economy can end the crisis) and so on...but its not islam to blame if ppl dont want to follow it
khalilrabee 1 year ago 2
@khalilrabee That does not address my question. I guess you can't answer it.
So answer the other question....were you raised in a Muslim household or did you really, freely choose it yourself?
ciaochowbella 1 year ago
@ciaochowbella u cant understand...noone can believe in something without questioning it...every person choses his belief based on proofs including me...whats so hard to understand? theres no person who simply swallows religion but its something based on convincion that something is true...every single muslim has questioned the qor'an at least once in his life...why? because doubting is a human nature and needs proofs to rely on something this is the answer...i grew in both chrstian and muslim f
khalilrabee 1 year ago 2
@khalilrabee Now you're just preaching. Do be civil and offer me the common decency NOT to proselytize to me. That would be awfully good and kind.
ciaochowbella 1 year ago
@ciaochowbella i grew up in both christian and muslim families...if this is the answer u need...but this doesnt matter at all believe me...being a muslim doesnt depend on this
khalilrabee 1 year ago
@khalilrabee I know that being Muslim doesn't depend upon your upbringing, but your upbringing DOES impact on who you are.
ciaochowbella 1 year ago
@ciaochowbella the khilafah will rise again soon..its just a matter of time, mohammad himself predicted it he said that a khilafah acording to the way of the prophethood will come after a period of dictatorial kingdoms...every country with a muslim majority is dictatorial now...and ppl are waking up everywehre in the world...and then ppl will see what islam is and the big difference between islam and what they thought islam was
khalilrabee 1 year ago
@khalilrabee I'm no longer going to respond to your ramblings if you can't refrain from preaching and trying to spread your propaganda.
However, you're proving JUST EXACTLY how scary an ideology Islam is.
ciaochowbella 1 year ago
@ciaochowbella scary? its not scary to 20 000 americans who become muslims every year, 40 000 french every year and so on...do u think anyone would become muslim if it was scary? im just answering u as a muslim and i think my answers are rational i dont know why u cant acept them
khalilrabee 1 year ago
@khalilrabee 20,000 in a country of over 350 million isn't even .5 percent. There are more Pagans in the US than Muslims.
However, vox populi vox dei doesn't prove anything. Just because a lot of people do something or they do it for a long time doesn't make it right or good.
Popularity doesn't lend veracity.
And yes, people follow scary religions all the time. Look at Christianity....2.8 billion and counting...and they LOVE the idea that some poor man was tortured and murdered.
ciaochowbella 1 year ago
@ciaochowbella However, vox populi vox dei doesn't prove anything. Just because a lot of people do something or they do it for a long time doesn't make it right or good.
yes but thats a big number compared to the number of muslims during the life of the prophet...and this fact is prophesised in the qor'an in surah annasr.
i cant compair islam to christianity i think christianity is more a doctrine than a religion since emperor constantin...
khalilrabee 1 year ago 2
@khalilrabee There's a difference between answering me as a Muslim and preaching at me. Going off on rambling diatribes that have NOTHING to do with what I asked is preaching. I've been extremely patient with you and look how long it's gotten you to answer just one of two questions. You're so concerned with the propaganda you can't form a reasoned response.
Honestly, how can you expect people to respect your faith if you don't respect them? It goes both ways.
ciaochowbella 1 year ago
@ciaochowbella i dont respect others faith? well that depends on what u understand by respect...i respect other ppl as being human beings just like me, im gentile to them, i talk to them and so on...but i cant respect their faith in the meaning of embracing their faith or emerging parts of their faiths with mine...theres a difffernce...and im not preaching i was just trying to explain that it doesnt matter if u were raised as a christian or muslim or any other...bing muslim doesnt depend on that
khalilrabee 1 year ago 2
@khalilrabee I never said you should respect the faiths of others. I said RESPECT THEM. You don't respect me as a human if you preach to me. You told me bags of stuff that had NOTHING to do with the topic I was discussing. That IS preaching.
And do not assume I'm an idiot. I already KNOW one can choose to be Muslim, Christian or whatever. However, it DOES matter how you were raised. Most people stick to their indoctrination and you know it.
ciaochowbella 1 year ago
@ciaochowbella yes i know that but many ppl also leave that indoctrination...
anyway believe me i respect and i dont know why i scare u...:)) and i dont think ur stupid and i dont preach and everything i said has everything to do with the topic and to be honest i dont know why u say it doesnt
khalilrabee 1 year ago 2
@khalilrabee SOME people leave their indoctrination. MOST don't.
You don't scare me. Trust that, dumplin. You were talking down to me and you were preaching. A lot of what you said had NOTHING to do with the topic at hand. You even mentioned imaginary regimes! How is that on topic?
ciaochowbella 1 year ago
@ciaochowbella thats not preaching...
khalilrabee 1 year ago 2
@khalilrabee No, that wasn't preaching. That was an attempt to justify your preaching.
Baby, honey, darling, sweetie, I'm not stupid nor am I gullible. Don't piss on my leg and then tell me it's raining. You were proselytizing and attempting to justify your religion FAR outside the sphere of the questions I asked.
BTW, have I mentioned even once what I believe or what my faith is? No, I have not. Because I have respect for other PEOPLE. Not the faith, the person. Would that you had some.
ciaochowbella 1 year ago
@ciaochowbella now i dont know what ur talking about and if u want we can simply stop chatting...and like i said i dont preach its just the way i talk...i dont like answring by yes or no but i like to answer with the right answer in the right way...thats not preaching its just the way i talk:)
khalilrabee 1 year ago 2
@khalilrabee Then you talk like a preacher. If you've got to qualify EVERYTHING you say with some sort of Muslim addendum, you're over-playing it. I appreciate a good answer. I really do. What I don't like is doctrine and dogma being touted as fact, which is what you did.
You can't talk AT me and think I'll listen. Talk TO me. Don't answer around a question to tout your ideology. Answer the question in a clear and concise manner. Play nice and I will too!
ciaochowbella 1 year ago
@ciaochowbella profound questions need profound answers...u asked me profound questions so i cant just answer with yes or no u understand? and i dont talk at u ur a lady and im not taught to talk at ladies or talk over ladies...
ok what do u want to ask me? and tell me how u want me to answer
khalilrabee 1 year ago
@khalilrabee If my questions were so profound, you should recall them clearly.....or you can read back.
DO NOT call me a lady. I am a woman. I don't like being patronized and pigeon-holed into the submissive role the word 'lady' implies. It's not the compliment you think it is.
Frankly, I'd prefer it if you addressed me as if gender wasn't a concern. I'm not real keen on being talked to as "other".
Answer me directly without rhetoric and dogmatic ideas. Just the facts, jack!
ciaochowbella 1 year ago
@ciaochowbella @ciaochowbella here watch this video /watch?v=jtiKorMw9zg its really interesting...
and my e-mail is khalilrabee50 at yahoo dot com...u can ask me anything u want just list the questions and ill do my best to answer u...if i dont know something then ill tell i dont know
khalilrabee 1 year ago
@khalilrabee I'm not watching that video because you don't respect me enough to address me without the religious rhetoric. I'm not going to email you because there is NO WAY I want you having the means to contact me. You don't seem stable and you're kind of scary in your preachments.
ciaochowbella 1 year ago