@AdversusHaereses Your logic is based on aesthetics: "seems like an attempt to bring Christ closer to us by taking away the sense of sacred and mysterious." While you might agree with this personal observation, if you take a look around the world, beautfiul things occur with the Mass in any language. Volunteer with missionaries, assist at a local home for the aged and infirm; there you see the fruits of the Holy Spirit beyond Novus Ordo vs Tridentine agendas.
opportunity for many blessings from the Eternal and font of infinite graces.
May the will grow in us to promote peace and justice in the world, which has great need for authentic witnesses to the truth. May God, in his goodness, protect the Jewish Community and may he grant deep friendship between us in this city of Rome and all over the world.”
opportunity for many blessings from the Eternal and font of infinite graces.
May the will grow in us to promote peace and justice in the world, which has great need for authentic witnesses to the truth. May God, in his goodness, protect the Jewish Community and may he grant deep friendship between us in this city of Rome and all over the world.”
None of these groups you mentioned are traditional. They may prefer the old to the new; they may prefer the smells and bells of the Tridentine to the desolation of the Novus Ordo, but they are not fighting for Tradition. Corpses on the battlefield...that's all they are.
do you follow all the teachings of the sspx?I have attended their mass since it's the only traditional mass around but for instance do you consider Benedict to be the pope?
Benedict XVI’s September 29, 2011 Telegram to the Chief Rabbi of Rome, Dr. Riccardo Di Segni for Rosh Ha-Shanah, for Yom Kippur and for Sukkot: “On the occasion of Rosh Ha-Shanah, of Yom Kippur and of Sukkot, I wish to extend my most cordial greetings and heartfelt wishes to you, esteemed Dr. Riccardo Di Segni, and to the entire Jewish Community of Rome, so that these important holidays may be an
Wrong: Institute of the Good Shepherd gave up the fight for tradition. They are now Conciliar Catholics. FSSP never was Traditional. They are purely Conciliar, with a preference for the Latin Mass. The Institute of Christ the King has also given up the fight against Modernism for a paper that says they are in "good standing" with Rome. Friars and monks who refuse to have the corona are not traditional. It is a sad thing to see a Friar or monk with a full head of hair and not right.
@WeepingStellaMaris I did not know that having hair, or shaven bald is an act of whether one is a monk or friar. Second, the SSPX will change nothing and will not change Rome. Rome will change Rome. No outside influence will.
@sgal88 A shaven baldhead has been continually identified as a sign of a man's consecration to God and complete offering of himself to the service of Christ and His Church. We read in the Fourth Book of Kings that forty-two young boys of Bethel who had been raised with a prejudice against the true religion and its ministers mocked St.
@sgal88 Elisha, the disciple of St. Elijah. And how was he identified and mocked? The boys said, "Go up, thou bald head; go up, thou bald head." Here we see that a baldhead was a contradiction even in those days before Our Lord's life on earth. And still today the baldhead is a contradiction to the world's fashion and haircuts.
@sgal88 Monks wear the tonsure as yet another reminder that they have confounded the wisdom of the world and chosen instead the wisdom of the saints. The tonsure is a penance, too. In cold winters a baldhead, like feet without shoes, is a penance. The monks embrace this opportunity to show obedience to the Church and the monastic tradition.
@sgal88 The tonsure is very necessary for it shows that a monk fully renounces the world. It also helps to tell the difference between a monk who is not a priest (clean shaven) and a monk who is a priest (has a corona).
@WeepingStellaMaris Sir, I believe you. I am only arguing your "It is a sad thing to see a Friar or monk with a full head of hair and not right," when in fact friars have had full set of hair back in those pre-V2 times. It is like saying that to be a Franciscan monk, one has to have a beard. No, you do not.
@sgal88 Those monks who abandoned the tonsure before Vatican II had abandoned the Brotherhood in their hearts already. It is the same thing as a Sister abandoning her veil.
@sgal88 No it's not. It is true. There is no reason to reject traditional practices that have made Saints in your Order and have deep meaning. The only reason one would reject the tonsure or the holy habit or any other part of his Order is because he has lost the love of the religious life in his heart and wants to live as a worldly man. This is why the Sisters rejected the habit. This is why Brothers reject the tonsure. And no Padre Pio always had a tonsure. Sometimes though it is hard
@WeepingStellaMaris I receive annual calendars about Padre Pio. He and his fellow friars are at times with a short hair cut or preppy one. At the end of Padre Pio's life, he was loosing his hair but he did at times, have the preppy hair cut.
@sgal88 That doesn't mean that it's right. I've never seen a picture of Padre Pio without a tonsure, but if you say so, that doesn't make it right even if it is true.
@sgal88 After all the proof I have given about why the Holy Tonsure is so important, it is very clear to see that the only reason a monk would reject having one is because wordliness has invaded his soul. It is the same for a Sister who rejects her habit. All of the Saints have had tonsures if they were religious, so now modern man has to reject what has made Saints? It is not only that but the tonsure is a sermon to everyone. When a man sees a monk without a tonsure, what is there to
@sgal88 see but just an average man who happens to be in some sort of habit? He has a full head of hair, completely distinguishing him from his Brothers from the past, the millions in his Order who had the holy Tonsure. But when a man sees a monk with a tonsure, at first he is startled because he doesn't see this very often and it is very shocking and different. Then, he realizes this man is set apart--he is something else--something holy, consecrated to God. The tonsure not only goes
@sgal88 back to the Early Church, but back to the Old Testament itself. It is a sin to reject Tradition for no reason. It is robbing God of his honour and glory. God is honoured and glorified in his Saints--in his religious.
@MaartenDeTroyer It's funny you should say that on this video when all the groups mentioned have broken away from the Archbishop's good Society to betray him and stab him in the back for a deal with Rome. Deo gratias for the SSPX who has not done such a thing, betraying Tradition, betraying Our Lord for a false and venomous friendship with Modernist Rome. Yes, we must go to Rome, but to convert, not compromise.
I missed a few, like FSSPX?
MrViaDolorosa 6 days ago
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@AdversusHaereses Your logic is based on aesthetics: "seems like an attempt to bring Christ closer to us by taking away the sense of sacred and mysterious." While you might agree with this personal observation, if you take a look around the world, beautfiul things occur with the Mass in any language. Volunteer with missionaries, assist at a local home for the aged and infirm; there you see the fruits of the Holy Spirit beyond Novus Ordo vs Tridentine agendas.
TurboVW2004 1 week ago
@TurboVW2004
actually no Jesus is not present in the new mass, i suggest you google most holy family monastery
davidemtl 2 weeks ago
@davidemtl Really? Who told you that? I think I'll believe Christ himself over someone on YouTube.
TurboVW2004 1 week ago
@TurboVW2004
you make no sense, when did Christ say you can change the mass? just read from the website I posted and inform yourself
davidemtl 1 week ago
@davidemtl I see you must be a Sedevacantist.
TurboVW2004 1 week ago
@TurboVW2004
yes the proof that the Church in Rome is a counterfeit with an anti pope in power since 1958 is overwhelming
davidemtl 1 week ago
Oh please. It was tradition to fast from midnight until Holy Mass, then the discipline was changed 3 hrs before Mass, then changed to 1 hour.
sgal88 2 months ago
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opportunity for many blessings from the Eternal and font of infinite graces.
May the will grow in us to promote peace and justice in the world, which has great need for authentic witnesses to the truth. May God, in his goodness, protect the Jewish Community and may he grant deep friendship between us in this city of Rome and all over the world.”
davidemtl 2 months ago
opportunity for many blessings from the Eternal and font of infinite graces.
May the will grow in us to promote peace and justice in the world, which has great need for authentic witnesses to the truth. May God, in his goodness, protect the Jewish Community and may he grant deep friendship between us in this city of Rome and all over the world.”
davidemtl 2 months ago
None of these groups you mentioned are traditional. They may prefer the old to the new; they may prefer the smells and bells of the Tridentine to the desolation of the Novus Ordo, but they are not fighting for Tradition. Corpses on the battlefield...that's all they are.
WeepingStellaMaris 3 months ago
@WeepingStellaMaris
do you follow all the teachings of the sspx?I have attended their mass since it's the only traditional mass around but for instance do you consider Benedict to be the pope?
davidemtl 2 months ago
@davidemtl Yes, I do.
WeepingStellaMaris 2 months ago
@WeepingStellaMaris
do you consider him to be a heretic?
davidemtl 2 months ago
@davidemtl He is a material heretic, but no one can prove formal heresy.
WeepingStellaMaris 2 months ago
@WeepingStellaMaris
Benedict XVI’s September 29, 2011 Telegram to the Chief Rabbi of Rome, Dr. Riccardo Di Segni for Rosh Ha-Shanah, for Yom Kippur and for Sukkot: “On the occasion of Rosh Ha-Shanah, of Yom Kippur and of Sukkot, I wish to extend my most cordial greetings and heartfelt wishes to you, esteemed Dr. Riccardo Di Segni, and to the entire Jewish Community of Rome, so that these important holidays may be an
davidemtl 2 months ago
Wrong: Institute of the Good Shepherd gave up the fight for tradition. They are now Conciliar Catholics. FSSP never was Traditional. They are purely Conciliar, with a preference for the Latin Mass. The Institute of Christ the King has also given up the fight against Modernism for a paper that says they are in "good standing" with Rome. Friars and monks who refuse to have the corona are not traditional. It is a sad thing to see a Friar or monk with a full head of hair and not right.
WeepingStellaMaris 3 months ago
@WeepingStellaMaris I did not know that having hair, or shaven bald is an act of whether one is a monk or friar. Second, the SSPX will change nothing and will not change Rome. Rome will change Rome. No outside influence will.
sgal88 2 months ago
@sgal88 A shaven baldhead has been continually identified as a sign of a man's consecration to God and complete offering of himself to the service of Christ and His Church. We read in the Fourth Book of Kings that forty-two young boys of Bethel who had been raised with a prejudice against the true religion and its ministers mocked St.
WeepingStellaMaris 2 months ago
@sgal88 Elisha, the disciple of St. Elijah. And how was he identified and mocked? The boys said, "Go up, thou bald head; go up, thou bald head." Here we see that a baldhead was a contradiction even in those days before Our Lord's life on earth. And still today the baldhead is a contradiction to the world's fashion and haircuts.
WeepingStellaMaris 2 months ago
@WeepingStellaMaris It is a contradiction but it doesn't mean that it is necessary for a monk or friar to be bald or what not.
sgal88 2 months ago
@sgal88 Monks wear the tonsure as yet another reminder that they have confounded the wisdom of the world and chosen instead the wisdom of the saints. The tonsure is a penance, too. In cold winters a baldhead, like feet without shoes, is a penance. The monks embrace this opportunity to show obedience to the Church and the monastic tradition.
WeepingStellaMaris 2 months ago
@WeepingStellaMaris But it is not necessary is my point. Franciscan monks can wear shoes during the winter, not necessarily sandals or be barefooted.
sgal88 2 months ago
@sgal88 The tonsure is very necessary for it shows that a monk fully renounces the world. It also helps to tell the difference between a monk who is not a priest (clean shaven) and a monk who is a priest (has a corona).
WeepingStellaMaris 2 months ago
@WeepingStellaMaris No is isn't. I have seen pictures of Franciscan preV2 who at times did not have their tonsure.
sgal88 2 months ago
@sgal88 The Catholic monks tonsure represents the crown of thorns of Jesus. It represented their vow of following Christs example.
WeepingStellaMaris 2 months ago
@WeepingStellaMaris Sir, I believe you. I am only arguing your "It is a sad thing to see a Friar or monk with a full head of hair and not right," when in fact friars have had full set of hair back in those pre-V2 times. It is like saying that to be a Franciscan monk, one has to have a beard. No, you do not.
sgal88 2 months ago
@sgal88 Those monks who abandoned the tonsure before Vatican II had abandoned the Brotherhood in their hearts already. It is the same thing as a Sister abandoning her veil.
WeepingStellaMaris 2 months ago
@WeepingStellaMaris That is being rather judgmental. Padre Pio, my favorite saint, at times had the preppy haircut and not a tonsure.
sgal88 2 months ago
@sgal88 No it's not. It is true. There is no reason to reject traditional practices that have made Saints in your Order and have deep meaning. The only reason one would reject the tonsure or the holy habit or any other part of his Order is because he has lost the love of the religious life in his heart and wants to live as a worldly man. This is why the Sisters rejected the habit. This is why Brothers reject the tonsure. And no Padre Pio always had a tonsure. Sometimes though it is hard
WeepingStellaMaris 2 months ago
@sgal88 to tell because the hair can grow back rather quickly and it almost looks like he is unshaven.
WeepingStellaMaris 2 months ago
@WeepingStellaMaris I receive annual calendars about Padre Pio. He and his fellow friars are at times with a short hair cut or preppy one. At the end of Padre Pio's life, he was loosing his hair but he did at times, have the preppy hair cut.
sgal88 2 months ago
@sgal88 That doesn't mean that it's right. I've never seen a picture of Padre Pio without a tonsure, but if you say so, that doesn't make it right even if it is true.
WeepingStellaMaris 2 months ago
@WeepingStellaMaris But it doesn't mean it is 100% necessary as well.
sgal88 2 months ago
@sgal88 Of course it is 100% necessary simply because it is part of Holy Tradition. Holy Tradition IS the Faith!
WeepingStellaMaris 2 months ago
@WeepingStellaMaris No it is not. It is akin to saying you need a beard to being Franciscan, not!
sgal88 2 months ago
@sgal88 After all the proof I have given about why the Holy Tonsure is so important, it is very clear to see that the only reason a monk would reject having one is because wordliness has invaded his soul. It is the same for a Sister who rejects her habit. All of the Saints have had tonsures if they were religious, so now modern man has to reject what has made Saints? It is not only that but the tonsure is a sermon to everyone. When a man sees a monk without a tonsure, what is there to
WeepingStellaMaris 2 months ago
@sgal88 see but just an average man who happens to be in some sort of habit? He has a full head of hair, completely distinguishing him from his Brothers from the past, the millions in his Order who had the holy Tonsure. But when a man sees a monk with a tonsure, at first he is startled because he doesn't see this very often and it is very shocking and different. Then, he realizes this man is set apart--he is something else--something holy, consecrated to God. The tonsure not only goes
WeepingStellaMaris 2 months ago
@sgal88 back to the Early Church, but back to the Old Testament itself. It is a sin to reject Tradition for no reason. It is robbing God of his honour and glory. God is honoured and glorified in his Saints--in his religious.
WeepingStellaMaris 2 months ago
Deo gratias for Mgr. Lefebvre.
MaartenDeTroyer 4 months ago 2
@MaartenDeTroyer Amen. The Father of all Traditional Orders....
dino33ca 3 months ago
@MaartenDeTroyer It's funny you should say that on this video when all the groups mentioned have broken away from the Archbishop's good Society to betray him and stab him in the back for a deal with Rome. Deo gratias for the SSPX who has not done such a thing, betraying Tradition, betraying Our Lord for a false and venomous friendship with Modernist Rome. Yes, we must go to Rome, but to convert, not compromise.
WeepingStellaMaris 3 months ago
Very good. God Bless!
catholicpeter 5 months ago