@ponpon400 Hey PON PON its a long time since we meet each other ! How are you and the Pontiac Friends from Marseille ? Still " racing " at the Meetings :-) Would be cool to see you Guys again !
LOL! everyone is an expert on racing cars in here! the Pontiac has the HP to eat the Porsche without a Turbo. The Porsche gets away cause of the Turbo. but Brake sooner and if the Pontiac can eat it good for the american car. Its just awesome. love it.
@caerba1969 i dont think that i have the Horsepower to eat the Porsche . The 935 has 50 more than i have but anyway i beat him later in Brno but he beat me in Monza . Thats Racing and thats the way it makes fun !
@sd455judge if that is the case you are braking later and I see he has some problems with braking in the corner. That helps you when trying to pass. Still I think is awesome that you can pass him and give him so much work! Seems like he gets worried to see you in his rear view mirror. Thanks for sharing this and keep it Up. I will continue watching.
been watching your trans am videos. this car is amazing. the porsche was able to put the power down better out of the corners and had your on the top end. but you damn sure out broke his ass in every corner. this kind of racing is why i love watching multiple make racing!
@getplaning the Porsche is faster , its a " Works " car or something like that . My Trans Am is build at home out of a original 71 Trans Am . What make me happy is the Distance between the two cars :-)
Given the Porsche may have straight-line acceleration, notice how quickly the T/A closes up on entry to a corner.Acceleration isn't everything,but handling IS...!
@dusto1002 hedders to twin turbo and a 8 inch exhaust tube at each turbo. mechanical injection will always shoot flames when you lift from the overrun of fuel. trademark 935 ;)
@ERK77VI What is cocky ? The Hemi Cuda was never faster than the Trans AM since they both race their cars . Go to the Histo Cup Webside and check the results . Its all black on white there ! The daytona is faster and also much lighter plus it has over 100 HP more :-) It is not very much faster even if you maybe know that this is a Tube Frame Car and not a Touring Car like the T/A . The Porsche is faster but i have beaten him not only there but it is faster your right :-)
great car but you need to watch your enter and exit speed idk what your running for tires but seems to me she doesn't hook up very well under power might need to change your gears. thanks for posting
@jonycard1 first the Time for one Lap is important and the Gear Ratio is not bad for this . the Lap times are better than i ever dream of . As a example 1.54.063 in Hockenheim and i think i can do it better :-) If i go with shorter Ratios i have more trouble to have enough Grip . Its not easy to make this car fast and i never do any Training or testing with the T/A . Short on Money !
Actually The gentleman in the trans am sent me a message and said that he missed a gear, but was never able to catch up after it fell behind. So it never broke, I will copy and paste the message to you if you dont beleive me. Also, Porsche has the highest percentage of cars on the road out of cars made. The fact that you just said Porsches always break truly shows you know jack about cars.
Also for this weekend Roger WON Both Races leading the pack by 11.572 & 19.795 sec's - the closest Porsche in one race finished 1 min 38 sec's behind - 2nd place for both races also went to another Firebird - Darn good WIN For Pontiac .
I love this stuff. If ever two cars got around the same track with different lines, these are they. @MrPorsche91730 don't look at the car lengths. Look at the time gaps. You can tell they're lapping about the same, since the 935 never shakes him and in fact, at 6:43 the P-car gets passed by the, uh, other P-car. A consistent time gap may be 10 car lengths at 180mph, but bumper to bumper at 35mph.
The first 935/76 ran to a swept volume of 2.8 liters, utilizing a single turbo with an adjustable cockpit mounted boost knob. At 1.2 bars the engine produced 550bhp.
here are quotes from Speedhunters: these figures are pretty widely known, so nobody can claim that I'm making these up.
"Here is the car that started it all: the first factory 935, referred to as the 935/76".(1976)
"Road & Track magazine tested the 935/76 that year and listed the car has having a 0-60 time of 3.3 seconds. It covered the 1/4 mile with an astonishing time of 8.9 seconds"
@VZ935 WOW !! You are a phony like no other ! This is the real Car that drove in Daytona and in Le Mans . How can somebody like you tell shit like that ?! Im sure you are one that never drove a Car on a Race Track or even saw a car on a race track . Like i said just a phony !!
@sd455judge Your kidding? The real Apple 935 was restored in the USA by Paul Willerson back to its original factory bodywork. It was owned by Carlos DeQuesada the same guy who won the GT class at the Daytona 24 Hour in 2007 and is not a K3 anymore.It is back in Porsche factory bodywork as the Dick Barbour Hawaiian Tropic car. I am not here to insult anyone but I am happy to prove to you exactly who I am . I will shoot you my email address via youtube and happy to straighten this out
@VZ935 Ok then the Owner of the Apple K3 has Clone or what . Would be very intressting to know what the Owner of this car , Dr. Armin Zumtobel means . Maybe your right and this is only a Clone its not my Car so its not my Problem . We all know that everything restored in USA is always the real deal so you must be right . Is the K3 from Paul Singer also a clone ? Its still in the original Colors from Kästle Ski and Driver Bob Wollek and this K 3 is not as fast as the one from Zumtobel .
@sd455judge I am not talking about 00022. The Apple car was crewed by Jerry Woods.If you go to my you tube account there is a video of Jerry with one of my 935 motors on his dyno with the two of us in his dyno room. Jerry knows that Carlos's car was the Apple car. That is alI I am talking about.Regardless I was responding to someone telling me about the characteristics of a 935 that make no sense to someone who has been around them since the beginning and has one in his garage....
@sd455judge I love your car, no disrespect meant. I have sent you an email to prove my pedigree. Maybe now you may be a gentleman enough to apologize for calling me a phoney when clearly I am not.
@VZ935 OK i believe you , it sounds like you know a lot about this car . I will ask Zumtobel when we race next time against each other what his Car really is . Would be intressting to hear his Story . What is 00022 ? Is that the Kästle Car from Bob Wollek ? What i can say is that the Apple " Clone " is the faster Car . newer parts maybe ?
@sd455judge 000 00022 is the Joest bodied 935 that Wolleck raced. The Apple car you race with has a legit 935 flat fan mechanically injected motor. It looks kike a tube frame car and has strange mods to the trailing arms and does not have 935 axles. I have seen some photos of the car but not enough to tell what it is as all the areas that would have the chassis plate and Chassis VIN stamp do not exsist on this car.My opinion but should remove that crazy front splitter.Small turbos.
@VZ935 Sounds if its a fast Car ! Not the real Deal but a fast one . My car is also not the real Jerry Titus Car :-) Its a clone build by myself with my Ideas to made it fast . So the most important thing is to have fun with this cars
I notice that the 935 doesn't due too well if he encounters more than one slow corner without a straight. This course found the 935 braking hard entering the corner, nosing in and tip toeing around until he could drop the hammer and put the power down. Actually this course favors the 935. On a course with many slow corners one after the other he would have his hands full.
and to prove my point further more every cars transmission is set up different. which in the Porsche's case it has more of a thined out gearing were the T/A has longer gears and better high end speed. and the person driving that Porsche is pushing it to the max. and the T/A is not.
@xXxsHoGuNsKyLeRxXx 1. Why would I have to have a T/A to say this? 2. 935's could make 800 hp back then without modern tuning like yours. 3. The 935 is lighter and has a far better chassis. 4. The T/A is not keeping up with the 935 on high end speed. 5. Who says he is? 6. The T/A overtakes after the 935 lifts of the throttle (backfire). Take these two around full on with the same driver and the T/A is eaten for a snack.
The clip would be absolutely perfect if there wasn't the "bon appetit". How can you pretend you've overtaken him? He's got a much more powerful car. And possibly lighter. But Roger, your Trans Am sounds like God crying after he realized he'd lost his only son
Awesome car T/A ! The guy driving the K3 was not hanging it out.935s have a titanium spool you can tell in the corners when a driver is laying it down.The flame before the pass is gas burning off on decel so the driver got out of the throttle. The 935 has a Kuglefisher or Bosch mechanical injection pump set fat so lots of fuel to burn off on decel.The K3 is not the real Apple K3 so who knows what it is. Chassis 009 00030 has been restored to factory bodywork yrs in its Hawaiian Tropic livery
@VZ935 Actualy he was hanging it out as it is a RACE for the chamopion ship not just a ordenary lets have some fun!.he blew up his TURBOS.i was there!!he was being pushed,as you can see when he locks up at the corners brakeing.the porshe has broken down a lot during the competition this year. read my post about the gearing combo. i know that car very wel and the set up is FAR from being ideal!engine and transmission wize and rear ratio whize.never the less the transam shows his MIGHT!
@stijneman7 Then he doesn't know how to drive a 935. And again I don't know what that car is as it has a livery on it that belongs to another 935. Most real 935's carry the livery they raced in. As far as breaking....all you have to do is go look at history. The 935 came out as a package to teams in 76/77 and was still competing in FIA endurance races and the Daytona 24 Hour and Sebring 12 hour into the late 1980's. Unheard of for a race car to be competitive for 10 years in endurance racing.
@VZ935 now the driver dussend know how to drive a 935!!, about the realety of the car whould you doubt the 300,000 euro it costed.! as for braking douwn you better belive it. they have blown up the turbo,s more then ones IWAS THERE!. and they dont blow up turbo,s not pushig the car .REMEMBER enduraceraceing is about bringing the car home in one piece, bij NOT pushing it over the ege, in these GT races witch last 30/60 min they do!!!!!!!!. hens the rezen it brakes douwn al the time
@stijneman7 I just saw some detailed photos of this "935"not a real 935. It does have a mech inj motor like a 935 but it does not have titanium axles.And here is another news flash ..you said to me it must be a real 935 because it cost 300 Euro? The real Apple Computer 935 sold for $1,300,000 USD. That's a whole lot more than 300 Euros.You cannot buy a real 935 for 300 Euros period. I am not sure how much you race or what your experience is but with all due respect you don't make any sense
@eiresuperbalzz have you ever raced a period specific 700hp, 311 kmh trans am when you have then you can say what sort of a driver its not like driving a little Nissan pulsar on the street
Any money boy could get seat time in a 935, but to build out a Rally T/A like that is just plain fucking wicked...... most of you have no idea how bad Ass that really is.............. American Muscle, it's one-of-a-kind, like rock-and-roll & Farrah Fawcett.
American HP , if you don't like it "tuff s--t" .It's fun to watch a TransAm based car race with the other car and do well . The Pontiac sound way better then the 4 and 6 cylinder cars.
It sounds very good but the Kremer Porsche makes 750 hp at 1,5 bar (1150kg)and would normaly eat any US car but this is not driven bye the best Porsche driver
I can GUARANTEE you that there was NO hemi in that Cuda.. nobody, and I mean NOBODY road raced with the 426 Hemi... WAYYYYY too heavy of an engine. I would bet you there was a small block under the hood of the cuda.
He's going to need more horsepower to pass that Porche. Porche pulls him hard out of every corner. He's got the cornering, braking and balls to catch the Porche....Cool video!!!
@dutchboy25al I disagree on several corners he breaks the rear lose tring to match the Porsches off the corner launch. The Porsche has rear wieght bias plus wieght transfer and lower wieght means it has more bite to acclerate with off the corners. The TA caught the Porsche on a straight not under braking. That being said it seemed like the Porsche let the TA pass. Still exstemely cool to see the TA out perform the the Porsch in breaking and handling. I recommend his other videos just vary cool!
@Firehawkslp1 I see the Porche getting smaller and smaller after every corner. To me that means he is pulling away from the corner all the way down the straight. Then the Trans Am catches him at every corner. Only once did I see the Trans Am catch the Porche in a straight. That's when, for whatever reason, the Porche appears to back out of it and let him pass. Why did the Porche let him pass? Did he break down or was he afraid he was going to get rearend by 2 tons of American steel?
@haarsje You must have never had a T/A because mine was pulling out 960hp easy. and it to was set up for use of the track as well as this one, when i would go up to the strip i would run 10 flats at 160 to 165. now if you can find a Porsche made in the same time era that can put out 960hp and run a ten flat, then you can fairly say a 953 is quicker.
@xXxsHoGuNsKyLeRxXx here are quotes from speedhunters: these figures are pretty widely known, so nobody can clain that i'm making these up.
"Here is the car that started it all: the first factory 935, referred to as the 935/76".(1976)
"Road & Track magazine tested the 935/76 that year and listed the car has having a 0-60 time of 3.3 seconds. It covered the 1/4 mile with an astonding time of 8.9 seconds"
@haarsje this trans am is amazing, but everyone knows what those 935 k2/k3's are capable of if driven 100%. and that was not 100%. also, these 935's are rare and very well taken care of by their owners. when they see track days, they are rarely driven like they used to be in their prime time, many years ago.
@danelio and i really hate how the owner of the trans am wrote that "still hungry for the kramer k3" bs. because he , out of all the people , should know that the k3 wasn't even trying.
@danelio hy , im the Driver and builder of the Trans Am but the Video is not from me ! It was taken by a Friend from Holland and he made the Movie and post it to Youtube . Im always hungry for every Car in Front of me like every Race Driver :-)
After watching this I'll have wet dreams every time I close my eyes....
oh and btw.... It's veeery strange to see American car faster on curves than European ones... and impossible (until now) to see it going faster than Porsche!!! I knew that '73 T/A (looks like '73) is almighty :D
@TransAmDrifter he entered with higher speed, but at every corner exit the Porsche pulled away. And in the end the Porsche driver just let him pass. So I don't think it's faster, but it corners great for American car :)
Roger is a friend. He led his class all season, against that porsche too. Some bad luck with another vehicle and damage to his car prevented him from taking it all the way. There is always next year. Its just an incredible car. But even with 300 more horsepower and legendary porsche handling......that porsche NEVER left Roger behind, even before it developed a problem. There were a couple of times Roger was within striking distance and just looking for an opening.
Roger is a friend. He led his class all season, against that porsche too. Some bad luck with another vehicle and damage to his car prevented him from taking it all the way. There is always next year. Its just an incredible car. But you have to realize that even with 300 more horsepower and legendary porsche handling......that porsche NEVER left Roger behind, even before it developed a problem. There were a couple of times Roger was within striking distance and just looking for an opening.
@themonth Get agrip subie lover...AWD cars are for girls. 2wd cars are for men. What you see as a lack of puting power to the ground is driver talent. You have to drive a high-torque V8 with respect. Something not required with AWD (driver aid) Subarus. MD
@avgolemonaki Uhm.. why do you insist that the Porsche let him pass, _after_ I've pointed out the large exhaust flame during acceleration around 6m38s, that _obviously_ tells that something broke down in the Porsche?
Watch the video again. I doubt you'll find any exhaust flames _during acceleration_ elsewhere during the race, only this one time when the Porsche "let hiim pass".
@alihmcm Nop he could not sray with him infact he blew up!!.. also if you look closely the transam starts to drive faster AFTHER he overtook the Porshe...
@harrisM15A Look again... The porsche had a misfire during acceleration. Something went wrong there... And just before that he smoked his tires during braking. I'd say he just barely kept ahead of the Trans Am and finally pushed the limits a little too far on both the brakes and the engine.
@ziiofswe Your correct we made those videos and my frind put the camera,s in rogers car. The kremer porshe has 1000 hp the transam 700 the transam is far from ideal set up yet torque makes up the porshes are fast but they breake down all the time and blow up turbo, Roger pushed the porshe in sutch a way that they where driving over the limit and blew up Roger is leading his class for the champion ship engine so people who think a a subaru can win ore the porshe let him pas are stupid
@harrisM15A i believe he has engine problems by the big backfire while accelerating but he probably is not as experienced in racing as the Roger cuz he locks up the brakes quite often. Does this TA have solid live rear axle or independent aftermarket one? cuz tbh that Porsche should eat him alive around the corners which wasn't the case
@harrisM15A You must not race. No one "lets" you pass.... Roger is a driver and tailed him till the time was right. Did you not see the start? He was right on him and got cut off in the corner.... this ain't nascar.... those guys don't bang their cars around if it can be helped.
@Burleism lmao what is your definition of tailed. That Porsche had more then 10 car lenghts on him a few times. and cut off when? I saw the porsche lock up a tire, that is not cutting off. It looks like the Porsche MIGHT HAVE broke, it blew smoke then backfired, maybe he accidently downshifted or felt somthing break then lifted. It looked like all three cars that were in front of him blew lol
@MrPorsche91730 Your right the 935 K 3 missed the second gear but it was not able to catch me after that again . Also its very intressting that i made some meters in the Curves and on the brakes and not in the straight line . Hope to solve this "Problem " for next year :-) We both had a good time again in Brno , CZ when the Kremer won against me in Heat one and i beat him in Heat two . In Hockenheim he was 4 Hundreds faster than i in Qualifying . ( T/A in Round 2 of four , K3 in Round 12 of 12
@Burleism 935 has a 4 spd box.We usually run a IX 19:33 (1.737:1) 1st gear good for 86 MPH at 7400 rpm .935 has a turbo 6 with less than 200 cubic inches so you would expect the almost 500 inch V8 to be faster off the start.They are both awesome cars but you could put two top notch drivers in both cars and the 935 would have no problem handing the Trans Am . Plus the Porsche will do 24 Hours and I doubt the T/A would. The rear engine 935 with ti spool is a handful but fun.Guys were having fun:)
@VZ935 transam has a 3.07 rear ratio and a 1 to1 4th gear!!.the car LUGS of the corners when acselerating "as you can hear".IF he would have a 3.42 ratio he would out perform that porshe "imidiatly"and gain at least 2 seconds on this particulair track .also the Porshe is only faster at SITIN tracks. the transam is FASTER at other tracks they drove. the porshe BRAKES douwn al the time! right now we are building a 68 firebird 700hp7300 rpm 700lbs tq. 6speed 3.42rear ratio to compeat
@stijneman7 It has a normally aspirated 500 inch motor in it so I am sure it is bldg TQ out of low RPM faster than the 198 inch turbo flat six motor. Whether it is a bull ring like Lime Rock or the Nurburgring. A real and properly prepared 935 will smoke that T/A. Now if you want to build a tube frame car with all of todays modern technology and skin it with an early T/A body that may be a different story. Im also an American muscle guy and I dig that T/A but facts are facts.
Oh Lord, won't you buy me this Pontiac Trans Am. My friends all got Porsches I must make a mess of them. Worked hard all my lifetime, little help from my friends. So Lord won't you buy me this Pontiaaaaaac Trannnnns Ammmmmmm!
The Porsche has a awesome engine. 750hp at 8200rpm and it's twin turbo, so it pulls with impressive torque from low revs to higher revs than the pontiac. That makes it an even more awesome race fom you.
You can see the Pontiac catch up to the 935 Kremer as it tip toes around the corners then once the old school turbos finally spool up in it flies off down the straight. The 935 is possibly one of the few cars even more mental than this Pontiac, but the Pontiac can clearly make better use of it's power, especially around corners (with a good driver anyway).
with this car and me as a driver I would have killed the car in front at the start of the video .
bigcotie 1 day ago
What is the engine in this car?
sour65tempest 3 days ago
@sour65tempest Butler Performance Aluminium Pontiac with 496 c.i. and 700 HP.
sd455judge 2 days ago
The Porsche blew up but either way that is one bad as Trans Am. Great Driving Too
MrChristoferJohnson 6 days ago
hey, what are those gauges in the middle of the dashboard?
NickMercurio 1 week ago
I'am 100% sure you filmd that on the redbullring :) right?
TTMoparV8 1 week ago
@TTMoparV8 Yes last Year on the Red Bull Ring . Histo Cup Austria !
sd455judge 2 days ago
@sd455judge I live near by the track :)
TTMoparV8 2 days ago
this car should have a 6-speed, then it can use half-throttle mode with greater success
DoriFord 1 week ago
That big American Iron, does appear to have ran them all to death.............
pipercub123456 1 week ago
it sounds like a freaking jet!!!, i wonder what the guys thought when they got lapped!
jhowe67 2 weeks ago
go trans-am go, all he has to do is drive and out last the others cause there cars blow up lol.
kylewest100 2 weeks ago in playlist Pontiac
longer gears and better tires and after that some practice !good luck on your next races :)cant beat a pontiac
jonycard1 2 weeks ago
bravo roger!,amitiés,ponpon
ponpon400 2 weeks ago
@ponpon400 Hey PON PON its a long time since we meet each other ! How are you and the Pontiac Friends from Marseille ? Still " racing " at the Meetings :-) Would be cool to see you Guys again !
sd455judge 2 days ago
LOL! everyone is an expert on racing cars in here! the Pontiac has the HP to eat the Porsche without a Turbo. The Porsche gets away cause of the Turbo. but Brake sooner and if the Pontiac can eat it good for the american car. Its just awesome. love it.
caerba1969 2 weeks ago in playlist More videos from TheCyborger
@caerba1969 i dont think that i have the Horsepower to eat the Porsche . The 935 has 50 more than i have but anyway i beat him later in Brno but he beat me in Monza . Thats Racing and thats the way it makes fun !
sd455judge 2 weeks ago
@sd455judge if that is the case you are braking later and I see he has some problems with braking in the corner. That helps you when trying to pass. Still I think is awesome that you can pass him and give him so much work! Seems like he gets worried to see you in his rear view mirror. Thanks for sharing this and keep it Up. I will continue watching.
caerba1969 2 weeks ago
been watching your trans am videos. this car is amazing. the porsche was able to put the power down better out of the corners and had your on the top end. but you damn sure out broke his ass in every corner. this kind of racing is why i love watching multiple make racing!
burnoutradio 3 weeks ago
you can see the porsche signal him around but yea, this car is fucking awesome i would rather have it that all 3 of the other cars.
codeeLS6 3 weeks ago
I love this big Trans Am, but the Porsche was able to put the horizon job to it at will. Obviously the Porsche pulled up an let the Trans Am pass.
getplaning 3 weeks ago
@getplaning the Porsche is faster , its a " Works " car or something like that . My Trans Am is build at home out of a original 71 Trans Am . What make me happy is the Distance between the two cars :-)
sd455judge 2 weeks ago
FUCKTHE HATERSSSS>>
SWEET CAR AND GOOD RACE>>
Mech434 1 month ago 20
Given the Porsche may have straight-line acceleration, notice how quickly the T/A closes up on entry to a corner.Acceleration isn't everything,but handling IS...!
banditrw22 1 month ago 2
porshes made for road racing always seem to shoot flames. probably running straight pipes and almost no piping between headers and pipe exit??
dusto1002 1 month ago
@dusto1002 hedders to twin turbo and a 8 inch exhaust tube at each turbo. mechanical injection will always shoot flames when you lift from the overrun of fuel. trademark 935 ;)
supersevenn 3 weeks ago
Could be faster if he'd heel and toe!
MissRosieRabbit 1 month ago
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ERK77VI 1 month ago
@ERK77VI What is cocky ? The Hemi Cuda was never faster than the Trans AM since they both race their cars . Go to the Histo Cup Webside and check the results . Its all black on white there ! The daytona is faster and also much lighter plus it has over 100 HP more :-) It is not very much faster even if you maybe know that this is a Tube Frame Car and not a Touring Car like the T/A . The Porsche is faster but i have beaten him not only there but it is faster your right :-)
sd455judge 2 days ago
good driving on the limit.... Trans am... not faster then porche but driven better. Today!
TheKoteche 1 month ago
great car but you need to watch your enter and exit speed idk what your running for tires but seems to me she doesn't hook up very well under power might need to change your gears. thanks for posting
jonycard1 1 month ago
@jonycard1 first the Time for one Lap is important and the Gear Ratio is not bad for this . the Lap times are better than i ever dream of . As a example 1.54.063 in Hockenheim and i think i can do it better :-) If i go with shorter Ratios i have more trouble to have enough Grip . Its not easy to make this car fast and i never do any Training or testing with the T/A . Short on Money !
sd455judge 2 weeks ago
Actually The gentleman in the trans am sent me a message and said that he missed a gear, but was never able to catch up after it fell behind. So it never broke, I will copy and paste the message to you if you dont beleive me. Also, Porsche has the highest percentage of cars on the road out of cars made. The fact that you just said Porsches always break truly shows you know jack about cars.
MrPorsche91730 1 month ago
So.... the 935 has 701hp? LOL :P
EvilElmo81395 1 month ago
@EvilElmo81395 around 750 :-)
sd455judge 2 weeks ago
@EvilElmo81395 it should have more
danelio 2 weeks ago
Need more gauges!!!
Mirage2000H 1 month ago
@Mirage2000H no but it would be cool when all work . We try to fix that :-)
sd455judge 2 weeks ago
Also for this weekend Roger WON Both Races leading the pack by 11.572 & 19.795 sec's - the closest Porsche in one race finished 1 min 38 sec's behind - 2nd place for both races also went to another Firebird - Darn good WIN For Pontiac .
1Bandit455 1 month ago
you should put a 4wd drivetrain on this car
KrazyKuul111 1 month ago
still hungry after not eating dinner?? LOL
gargantuate 2 months ago
I love this stuff. If ever two cars got around the same track with different lines, these are they. @MrPorsche91730 don't look at the car lengths. Look at the time gaps. You can tell they're lapping about the same, since the 935 never shakes him and in fact, at 6:43 the P-car gets passed by the, uh, other P-car. A consistent time gap may be 10 car lengths at 180mph, but bumper to bumper at 35mph.
ruberbubba 2 months ago
ohh no ....the porche is break!!!
225supersix1977 2 months ago
continued from "speedhunters" below
The first 935/76 ran to a swept volume of 2.8 liters, utilizing a single turbo with an adjustable cockpit mounted boost knob. At 1.2 bars the engine produced 550bhp.
rich52569 2 months ago
This has been flagged as spam show
here are quotes from Speedhunters: these figures are pretty widely known, so nobody can claim that I'm making these up.
"Here is the car that started it all: the first factory 935, referred to as the 935/76".(1976)
"Road & Track magazine tested the 935/76 that year and listed the car has having a 0-60 time of 3.3 seconds. It covered the 1/4 mile with an astonishing time of 8.9 seconds"
rich52569 2 months ago
Oh yeah, every car he passed blew up. NOT!
The P car was parking in in the corners in front of the T/A, blocking maneuver. That's why the T/A driver threw up his hand...
brbroberts1 2 months ago
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VZ935 2 months ago
@VZ935 WOW !! You are a phony like no other ! This is the real Car that drove in Daytona and in Le Mans . How can somebody like you tell shit like that ?! Im sure you are one that never drove a Car on a Race Track or even saw a car on a race track . Like i said just a phony !!
sd455judge 2 months ago
@sd455judge Your kidding? The real Apple 935 was restored in the USA by Paul Willerson back to its original factory bodywork. It was owned by Carlos DeQuesada the same guy who won the GT class at the Daytona 24 Hour in 2007 and is not a K3 anymore.It is back in Porsche factory bodywork as the Dick Barbour Hawaiian Tropic car. I am not here to insult anyone but I am happy to prove to you exactly who I am . I will shoot you my email address via youtube and happy to straighten this out
VZ935 2 months ago
@VZ935 Ok then the Owner of the Apple K3 has Clone or what . Would be very intressting to know what the Owner of this car , Dr. Armin Zumtobel means . Maybe your right and this is only a Clone its not my Car so its not my Problem . We all know that everything restored in USA is always the real deal so you must be right . Is the K3 from Paul Singer also a clone ? Its still in the original Colors from Kästle Ski and Driver Bob Wollek and this K 3 is not as fast as the one from Zumtobel .
sd455judge 2 months ago
@sd455judge I am not talking about 00022. The Apple car was crewed by Jerry Woods.If you go to my you tube account there is a video of Jerry with one of my 935 motors on his dyno with the two of us in his dyno room. Jerry knows that Carlos's car was the Apple car. That is alI I am talking about.Regardless I was responding to someone telling me about the characteristics of a 935 that make no sense to someone who has been around them since the beginning and has one in his garage....
VZ935 2 months ago
@sd455judge I love your car, no disrespect meant. I have sent you an email to prove my pedigree. Maybe now you may be a gentleman enough to apologize for calling me a phoney when clearly I am not.
VZ935 2 months ago
@VZ935 OK i believe you , it sounds like you know a lot about this car . I will ask Zumtobel when we race next time against each other what his Car really is . Would be intressting to hear his Story . What is 00022 ? Is that the Kästle Car from Bob Wollek ? What i can say is that the Apple " Clone " is the faster Car . newer parts maybe ?
sd455judge 2 months ago
@sd455judge 000 00022 is the Joest bodied 935 that Wolleck raced. The Apple car you race with has a legit 935 flat fan mechanically injected motor. It looks kike a tube frame car and has strange mods to the trailing arms and does not have 935 axles. I have seen some photos of the car but not enough to tell what it is as all the areas that would have the chassis plate and Chassis VIN stamp do not exsist on this car.My opinion but should remove that crazy front splitter.Small turbos.
VZ935 2 months ago
@VZ935 Sounds if its a fast Car ! Not the real Deal but a fast one . My car is also not the real Jerry Titus Car :-) Its a clone build by myself with my Ideas to made it fast . So the most important thing is to have fun with this cars
sd455judge 2 months ago
god that must be crazy scary to drive
snupers 2 months ago
I notice that the 935 doesn't due too well if he encounters more than one slow corner without a straight. This course found the 935 braking hard entering the corner, nosing in and tip toeing around until he could drop the hammer and put the power down. Actually this course favors the 935. On a course with many slow corners one after the other he would have his hands full.
Youtubinshare 2 months ago
Still a cool and fast car though.
haarsje 2 months ago
and to prove my point further more every cars transmission is set up different. which in the Porsche's case it has more of a thined out gearing were the T/A has longer gears and better high end speed. and the person driving that Porsche is pushing it to the max. and the T/A is not.
xXxsHoGuNsKyLeRxXx 2 months ago
@xXxsHoGuNsKyLeRxXx 1. Why would I have to have a T/A to say this? 2. 935's could make 800 hp back then without modern tuning like yours. 3. The 935 is lighter and has a far better chassis. 4. The T/A is not keeping up with the 935 on high end speed. 5. Who says he is? 6. The T/A overtakes after the 935 lifts of the throttle (backfire). Take these two around full on with the same driver and the T/A is eaten for a snack.
haarsje 2 months ago
@haarsje doesn't matter what could have happened or what should have happened. all that matters is that it was beaten by this crazy T/A.
ACHEESEDANISH00 2 months ago in playlist Favorite videos
The clip would be absolutely perfect if there wasn't the "bon appetit". How can you pretend you've overtaken him? He's got a much more powerful car. And possibly lighter. But Roger, your Trans Am sounds like God crying after he realized he'd lost his only son
Mawerik024 2 months ago
Awesome car T/A ! The guy driving the K3 was not hanging it out.935s have a titanium spool you can tell in the corners when a driver is laying it down.The flame before the pass is gas burning off on decel so the driver got out of the throttle. The 935 has a Kuglefisher or Bosch mechanical injection pump set fat so lots of fuel to burn off on decel.The K3 is not the real Apple K3 so who knows what it is. Chassis 009 00030 has been restored to factory bodywork yrs in its Hawaiian Tropic livery
VZ935 3 months ago
@VZ935 Actualy he was hanging it out as it is a RACE for the chamopion ship not just a ordenary lets have some fun!.he blew up his TURBOS.i was there!!he was being pushed,as you can see when he locks up at the corners brakeing.the porshe has broken down a lot during the competition this year. read my post about the gearing combo. i know that car very wel and the set up is FAR from being ideal!engine and transmission wize and rear ratio whize.never the less the transam shows his MIGHT!
stijneman7 3 months ago
@stijneman7 Then he doesn't know how to drive a 935. And again I don't know what that car is as it has a livery on it that belongs to another 935. Most real 935's carry the livery they raced in. As far as breaking....all you have to do is go look at history. The 935 came out as a package to teams in 76/77 and was still competing in FIA endurance races and the Daytona 24 Hour and Sebring 12 hour into the late 1980's. Unheard of for a race car to be competitive for 10 years in endurance racing.
VZ935 3 months ago
@VZ935 now the driver dussend know how to drive a 935!!, about the realety of the car whould you doubt the 300,000 euro it costed.! as for braking douwn you better belive it. they have blown up the turbo,s more then ones IWAS THERE!. and they dont blow up turbo,s not pushig the car .REMEMBER enduraceraceing is about bringing the car home in one piece, bij NOT pushing it over the ege, in these GT races witch last 30/60 min they do!!!!!!!!. hens the rezen it brakes douwn al the time
stijneman7 2 months ago
@stijneman7 I just saw some detailed photos of this "935"not a real 935. It does have a mech inj motor like a 935 but it does not have titanium axles.And here is another news flash ..you said to me it must be a real 935 because it cost 300 Euro? The real Apple Computer 935 sold for $1,300,000 USD. That's a whole lot more than 300 Euros.You cannot buy a real 935 for 300 Euros period. I am not sure how much you race or what your experience is but with all due respect you don't make any sense
VZ935 2 months ago
I love that trans am, but you could hardly say it passed the Porsche by its own speed
12salem 3 months ago
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MrPorsche91730 3 months ago
@eiresuperbalzz have you ever raced a period specific 700hp, 311 kmh trans am when you have then you can say what sort of a driver its not like driving a little Nissan pulsar on the street
MrGorguts666 3 months ago
@MrGorguts666 so its agree'd ur a fool and he can't drive 4 SHIT.
eiresuperbalzz 3 months ago
Ten gauges? pretty confusing. How about an idiot light?
Samsgarden 3 months ago
@Samsgarden Good thing only half of the gauges even work haha
OldboySaint 3 months ago
Any money boy could get seat time in a 935, but to build out a Rally T/A like that is just plain fucking wicked...... most of you have no idea how bad Ass that really is.............. American Muscle, it's one-of-a-kind, like rock-and-roll & Farrah Fawcett.
Burleism 3 months ago
the guy from the porsche said: oh i'll let him pass and then i will overtake him again.. trans am's no match for me!! hahaha
osito010493 3 months ago
this is power! beautiful car.
caerba1969 3 months ago
nice car pitty abut the driver, cant change gear and cant corner.
eiresuperbalzz 3 months ago
@eiresuperbalzz i want to see how well you can do it.
1xtra299 3 months ago
DAMMMMM
flatdropper 3 months ago
there all awesome vehicles
jesusisthemessaih 3 months ago
As Jeremy Clarkscon would say "POWEEEEEEEEEER!!!"
streetracerm5 3 months ago
American HP , if you don't like it "tuff s--t" .It's fun to watch a TransAm based car race with the other car and do well . The Pontiac sound way better then the 4 and 6 cylinder cars.
rotax7804 3 months ago
fun to see a nascar style trans am take on the mighty porsche
STREETRACERONFUEL 4 months ago
It sounds very good but the Kremer Porsche makes 750 hp at 1,5 bar (1150kg)and would normaly eat any US car but this is not driven bye the best Porsche driver
HD2512DK 4 months ago
This is a classic case of "You can catch me, but you'll never pass me until I let you."
dutchboy25al 4 months ago 2
@dutchboy25al
pssssh the T/A was getting him on the corners, it was only on the straights did the porsche stand a chance.
Vaicurious 4 months ago
@Vaicurious Yupp...That's what I said.
dutchboy25al 4 months ago
problem officer?
u know how fast u were goin'?
fast?
real fast!
FUCK YEAH!
MrStrontipis 4 months ago
I can GUARANTEE you that there was NO hemi in that Cuda.. nobody, and I mean NOBODY road raced with the 426 Hemi... WAYYYYY too heavy of an engine. I would bet you there was a small block under the hood of the cuda.
ProfessorIgor 4 months ago
He's going to need more horsepower to pass that Porche. Porche pulls him hard out of every corner. He's got the cornering, braking and balls to catch the Porche....Cool video!!!
dutchboy25al 4 months ago
@dutchboy25al I disagree on several corners he breaks the rear lose tring to match the Porsches off the corner launch. The Porsche has rear wieght bias plus wieght transfer and lower wieght means it has more bite to acclerate with off the corners. The TA caught the Porsche on a straight not under braking. That being said it seemed like the Porsche let the TA pass. Still exstemely cool to see the TA out perform the the Porsch in breaking and handling. I recommend his other videos just vary cool!
Firehawkslp1 4 months ago
@Firehawkslp1 I see the Porche getting smaller and smaller after every corner. To me that means he is pulling away from the corner all the way down the straight. Then the Trans Am catches him at every corner. Only once did I see the Trans Am catch the Porche in a straight. That's when, for whatever reason, the Porche appears to back out of it and let him pass. Why did the Porche let him pass? Did he break down or was he afraid he was going to get rearend by 2 tons of American steel?
dutchboy25al 4 months ago
Sounds like a jet engine when he deacelerates
Fullergroup 4 months ago
@Fullergroup sounds like a racing tranny
64fairlane305 4 months ago
@64fairlane305 Really? I couldnt tell
Fullergroup 4 months ago
Awesome T/A! Thanks for the ride ;-)
carsbyjeff 4 months ago
Pontiac 700hp / Porsche 935 K3 +800hp. it's clear what happening on the straigth at 6:40....
MrHolzfass 4 months ago
That 935 is quicker. No point arguing.
haarsje 4 months ago 18
@haarsje You must have never had a T/A because mine was pulling out 960hp easy. and it to was set up for use of the track as well as this one, when i would go up to the strip i would run 10 flats at 160 to 165. now if you can find a Porsche made in the same time era that can put out 960hp and run a ten flat, then you can fairly say a 953 is quicker.
xXxsHoGuNsKyLeRxXx 2 months ago
@xXxsHoGuNsKyLeRxXx here are quotes from speedhunters: these figures are pretty widely known, so nobody can clain that i'm making these up.
"Here is the car that started it all: the first factory 935, referred to as the 935/76".(1976)
"Road & Track magazine tested the 935/76 that year and listed the car has having a 0-60 time of 3.3 seconds. It covered the 1/4 mile with an astonding time of 8.9 seconds"
rich52569 2 months ago
@haarsje this trans am is amazing, but everyone knows what those 935 k2/k3's are capable of if driven 100%. and that was not 100%. also, these 935's are rare and very well taken care of by their owners. when they see track days, they are rarely driven like they used to be in their prime time, many years ago.
danelio 1 month ago
@danelio and i really hate how the owner of the trans am wrote that "still hungry for the kramer k3" bs. because he , out of all the people , should know that the k3 wasn't even trying.
danelio 1 month ago
@danelio hy , im the Driver and builder of the Trans Am but the Video is not from me ! It was taken by a Friend from Holland and he made the Movie and post it to Youtube . Im always hungry for every Car in Front of me like every Race Driver :-)
sd455judge 2 weeks ago
@sd455judge well great trans am!. you are a lucky man to get a chance to race against the legendary 935. :)
danelio 2 weeks ago
@danelio and then have it break down so you can fuel your ego :P
lolzoretwo 2 weeks ago
@lolzoretwo huh.?
danelio 2 weeks ago
@haarsje Porsche 935 lost this race - is it that hard to give the T/A the Credit it is due .
1Bandit455 1 month ago
he cuts off the guy after he passes him at 8:55
HarrisHarrisYAY 4 months ago
Did he let him pass or was a it wrong shift by the Porsche, lots of back fires happened there 6:35.
Abdoosh00 4 months ago
That car is SIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIICK!
FooTech1976 4 months ago
i think Im gonna jack off watching this video lol. love it
lovercarlin 5 months ago in playlist More videos from TheCyborger
After watching this I'll have wet dreams every time I close my eyes....
oh and btw.... It's veeery strange to see American car faster on curves than European ones... and impossible (until now) to see it going faster than Porsche!!! I knew that '73 T/A (looks like '73) is almighty :D
TransAmDrifter 5 months ago
@TransAmDrifter he entered with higher speed, but at every corner exit the Porsche pulled away. And in the end the Porsche driver just let him pass. So I don't think it's faster, but it corners great for American car :)
Overdrive872 5 months ago
Roger is a friend. He led his class all season, against that porsche too. Some bad luck with another vehicle and damage to his car prevented him from taking it all the way. There is always next year. Its just an incredible car. But even with 300 more horsepower and legendary porsche handling......that porsche NEVER left Roger behind, even before it developed a problem. There were a couple of times Roger was within striking distance and just looking for an opening.
Theherculeaneffort 5 months ago
Roger is a friend. He led his class all season, against that porsche too. Some bad luck with another vehicle and damage to his car prevented him from taking it all the way. There is always next year. Its just an incredible car. But you have to realize that even with 300 more horsepower and legendary porsche handling......that porsche NEVER left Roger behind, even before it developed a problem. There were a couple of times Roger was within striking distance and just looking for an opening.
Theherculeaneffort 5 months ago
I think the porsche got poorly thats why. go roger go roger
RICHIE87622 5 months ago
its funny how you can tell the trans am never really got into it all the way
ACHEESEDANISH00 5 months ago
super charger much? holy shit
Jefyniggs91MK3 5 months ago
i bet, a tuned evo with about 400bhp would be faster. this trans am has to be teamed all the time and can't put all the power to the ground.
themonth 6 months ago
@themonth Get agrip subie lover...AWD cars are for girls. 2wd cars are for men. What you see as a lack of puting power to the ground is driver talent. You have to drive a high-torque V8 with respect. Something not required with AWD (driver aid) Subarus. MD
madmangtr1 5 months ago
come on! porsche gave hte pass! its obvious! take out the subs! shit
avgolemonaki 6 months ago
@avgolemonaki Uhm.. why do you insist that the Porsche let him pass, _after_ I've pointed out the large exhaust flame during acceleration around 6m38s, that _obviously_ tells that something broke down in the Porsche?
Watch the video again. I doubt you'll find any exhaust flames _during acceleration_ elsewhere during the race, only this one time when the Porsche "let hiim pass".
And the conclusion iiiis? :P
ziiofswe 6 months ago
i dont know who Roger Bolliger is, but its terrible how he's holding the steering wheel!
anyway: nice car and lol @ the speedometer
fu7zh9 7 months ago
OH YEAH TRANS AM !! THE BEST !!
samfrye1 7 months ago
its obvious. that porsche let him pass
harrisM15A 7 months ago 59
@harrisM15A True, but what I wanna know is did the Porsche stay with him afterwards! Huh? Whaddaya say?
alihmcm 7 months ago
@alihmcm Nop he could not sray with him infact he blew up!!.. also if you look closely the transam starts to drive faster AFTHER he overtook the Porshe...
stijneman7 6 months ago
@stijneman7 Kinda what I thought... the Pontiac was faster than this Porsche on this track. But hey, I'm really a fan of both cars, both great.
alihmcm 6 months ago
@harrisM15A Look again... The porsche had a misfire during acceleration. Something went wrong there... And just before that he smoked his tires during braking. I'd say he just barely kept ahead of the Trans Am and finally pushed the limits a little too far on both the brakes and the engine.
ziiofswe 7 months ago
@ziiofswe Your correct we made those videos and my frind put the camera,s in rogers car. The kremer porshe has 1000 hp the transam 700 the transam is far from ideal set up yet torque makes up the porshes are fast but they breake down all the time and blow up turbo, Roger pushed the porshe in sutch a way that they where driving over the limit and blew up Roger is leading his class for the champion ship engine so people who think a a subaru can win ore the porshe let him pas are stupid
stijneman7 6 months ago
@harrisM15A because shity porshe was slower on turns
ivanhoe0007 6 months ago
@harrisM15A Thats is why he is leading the championschip because porshes are letting him pas hahahahahahah
stijneman7 5 months ago
@harrisM15A i believe he has engine problems by the big backfire while accelerating but he probably is not as experienced in racing as the Roger cuz he locks up the brakes quite often. Does this TA have solid live rear axle or independent aftermarket one? cuz tbh that Porsche should eat him alive around the corners which wasn't the case
z28snakeeater 4 months ago 2
@z28snakeeater
I agree .. that was a BIG flame out the exhaust on the Porsche, just before the Pontiac overtakes him. could be a turbo failure.
Jesus45U 4 months ago
@harrisM15A i dunno the trans am was doing a pretty good job of keeping him in view and chasing him down
dragus213 3 months ago
@harrisM15A You must not race. No one "lets" you pass.... Roger is a driver and tailed him till the time was right. Did you not see the start? He was right on him and got cut off in the corner.... this ain't nascar.... those guys don't bang their cars around if it can be helped.
Burleism 3 months ago
@Burleism lmao what is your definition of tailed. That Porsche had more then 10 car lenghts on him a few times. and cut off when? I saw the porsche lock up a tire, that is not cutting off. It looks like the Porsche MIGHT HAVE broke, it blew smoke then backfired, maybe he accidently downshifted or felt somthing break then lifted. It looked like all three cars that were in front of him blew lol
MrPorsche91730 3 months ago 12
@MrPorsche91730 Your right the 935 K 3 missed the second gear but it was not able to catch me after that again . Also its very intressting that i made some meters in the Curves and on the brakes and not in the straight line . Hope to solve this "Problem " for next year :-) We both had a good time again in Brno , CZ when the Kremer won against me in Heat one and i beat him in Heat two . In Hockenheim he was 4 Hundreds faster than i in Qualifying . ( T/A in Round 2 of four , K3 in Round 12 of 12
sd455judge 2 months ago
@MrPorsche91730 LOL!!! Exactly the point. The Porsche probably broke! But then again...they always do! Don't they! LOL!!! =)
movinginstereo44 1 month ago
@MrPorsche91730 "maybe he accidently downshifted or felt somthing break then lifted." sweet rhymes
OK8888 1 week ago
@MrPorsche91730 your on drugs you porsche loving fag
walky99 1 week ago
@Burleism 935 has a 4 spd box.We usually run a IX 19:33 (1.737:1) 1st gear good for 86 MPH at 7400 rpm .935 has a turbo 6 with less than 200 cubic inches so you would expect the almost 500 inch V8 to be faster off the start.They are both awesome cars but you could put two top notch drivers in both cars and the 935 would have no problem handing the Trans Am . Plus the Porsche will do 24 Hours and I doubt the T/A would. The rear engine 935 with ti spool is a handful but fun.Guys were having fun:)
VZ935 3 months ago
@VZ935 transam has a 3.07 rear ratio and a 1 to1 4th gear!!.the car LUGS of the corners when acselerating "as you can hear".IF he would have a 3.42 ratio he would out perform that porshe "imidiatly"and gain at least 2 seconds on this particulair track .also the Porshe is only faster at SITIN tracks. the transam is FASTER at other tracks they drove. the porshe BRAKES douwn al the time! right now we are building a 68 firebird 700hp7300 rpm 700lbs tq. 6speed 3.42rear ratio to compeat
stijneman7 3 months ago
@stijneman7 It has a normally aspirated 500 inch motor in it so I am sure it is bldg TQ out of low RPM faster than the 198 inch turbo flat six motor. Whether it is a bull ring like Lime Rock or the Nurburgring. A real and properly prepared 935 will smoke that T/A. Now if you want to build a tube frame car with all of todays modern technology and skin it with an early T/A body that may be a different story. Im also an American muscle guy and I dig that T/A but facts are facts.
VZ935 3 months ago
SO jelly. so so so jelly.
ihateyoumygot 7 months ago
BECAUSE RACE CAR
ps2knutz 7 months ago
Thanks for the awesome ride. I could listen to this all day.
metsu962 7 months ago
this car is just like "NOMNOMNOMNOM"
RCPhilN 7 months ago
Did he missed the gear when you overtook him at 6:39 ?
Desmodromic916 7 months ago
Lock up at 7:14, but nice!
VK3fmll 7 months ago
anyone notice the speedo?
samsdad900 7 months ago
Oh Lord, won't you buy me this Pontiac Trans Am. My friends all got Porsches I must make a mess of them. Worked hard all my lifetime, little help from my friends. So Lord won't you buy me this Pontiaaaaaac Trannnnns Ammmmmmm!
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wordreet 7 months ago 16
@wordreet
Haha, great...
MPZRACEVIDEO 7 months ago
@wordreet That looks like a text of great social and political import!
ziiofswe 7 months ago
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wordreet 7 months ago
@ziiofswe With thanks to the original version's most excellent and talented author Janis Joplin.
wordreet 7 months ago
A tasty dinner! My recommendation to the chef ;_)
Helldorado2008 7 months ago
really nice set up for the suspension... is possible you write the set up .
thanks Martin
lennybigblock 7 months ago
The Porsche has a awesome engine. 750hp at 8200rpm and it's twin turbo, so it pulls with impressive torque from low revs to higher revs than the pontiac. That makes it an even more awesome race fom you.
Congrats
DeScRuN 7 months ago
thats AWESOME :-)
Bartekcsaba 7 months ago
I absolutely love the sound of this thing working. The engine and the transmission together sound great.
Acidicheartburn 7 months ago
You can see the Pontiac catch up to the 935 Kremer as it tip toes around the corners then once the old school turbos finally spool up in it flies off down the straight. The 935 is possibly one of the few cars even more mental than this Pontiac, but the Pontiac can clearly make better use of it's power, especially around corners (with a good driver anyway).
RoadTerrorist 7 months ago
damn that porsche pulls like man on the straight
hultii 7 months ago
that is one powerful car
zanjani13 7 months ago
Damn. I'm truly impressed....
Procharmo 9 months ago
... man, what a rush, i cant imagine how intense that must be driving that car !!! ...
CV1Channel 9 months ago
@CV1Channel Yes - intense specially at the start of the race !!!!! .
1Bandit455 9 months ago
Holy crap, that T/A is mean. What were the two blurs at 8:52?
MidnightinSavannah 10 months ago
wow with a big W
GENleecossie 10 months ago
ich kenn roger
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