Yeah that get's to me too, I guess the answer is both. Because without the gravity squeezing the hydrogen gas (a process which heats it), there wouldn't be an excitement (vibration) of the nuclei, which eventually leads to the overcoming of the replant force of the protons and fusion occurring.
@KickAssPhenom Gravity forces the atoms close together, this causes an increase in the kinetic energy (movement) of the atoms which is heat, and every now and then two fuse together via quantum tunneling. At least that's the process in our sun. Version 2 of this video goes into detail on all three. To watch version 2 click on the link given at the start of this video (if your browser supports annotations) or see this video's description for a link. The added info starts at 1:33.
I wrote a song about this process called Power of the Sun by Redstorm. Looks like I got the science right in the lyrics except in this video it's demonstrated the the fusion of hydrogen convert directly to a photon of light. In the song I describe fusion producing gamma rays that transform to visible light. Hope that's also correct?
@itsrickinaz Hey, I just found and enjoyed your song! Thanks for mentioning it. We're both correct. A gamma ray is a specific range wavelengths of electromagnetic waves. Some fusion reactions produce gamma rays. Photon is another name for electromagnetic waves, so I was being more generic. The photon in the reaction I used is a gamma ray.
@12thebeatles34 You're very welcome! Be sure and click on the annotation at the beginning of the video that takes you to Version 2 of this video. Much of it's the same but it goes into more detail on the actual fusion part in the middle.
The math is of course more complex and I can not and will not attempt it, but just to give an idea, we can roughly do simple calculation to compare these 2 forces.
Fc/Fg = (kQdQp/r^2)/(GMdMp/r^2). Neutron has no charge, so q1=q2. Mass of proton n neutron r the same so Md=2Mp. The r^2 canceled each other so Fc/Fg = (8.988x10^9Nm/C^2)(1.602x10^-19C)^2/(6.67x10^-11Nm/kg^2)(2x1.67x10^-27)(1.67x10^-27). That is roughly 10^-29/10^-65 = 10^36. So their EM force is stronger than their G by 10^36 times
@musikpal I'm aware of this and agree for the most part with your comment about kinetic energy and tunneling (which seems to have disappeared). I'm planning on a version 2 of this video that addresses these as well as gives more detail of how the energy makes it's way up the layers of the sun (I had to word it carefully in this video.) This video is a very simplified version. It's taken a while to get to due to the amount of time I'll need to dedicate to do it.
@musikpal Okay, if you watch this video again you'll see a box you can click on that'll take you to version 2 of this video. Version 2 goes into more detail incorporating gravity, high temperature and quantum tunneling.
@field16 Thanks. Though no conservation law is being violated there. The energy keeps getting recycled and changing form. The video shows that the 3 energy units of the original two atoms goes into 2 energy units for the helium and 1 unit to the photon. And the gravitational potential energy came from when the sun was formed out of material that was thrown out by older stars that went nova, and so on all the way back to the big bang. (I'm using the current widely accepted physics model here.)
@RimstarOrg My main point was to marvel at the power of our sun. Men cannot duplicate the same fusion results, which makes it that much more marvelous.
The "law of conservation of energy" was violated in what you just stated: the big bang.
Energy and mass were created from nothing. Everything around you today... was created out of nothing.
I believe it came from another universe, one that lasts for ever and ever.
@MasterJayZhou Where did the energy come from before the creation of the universe? It had to come from somewhere. The energy could have come from another universe, the one those crazy Christians call "Heaven". ;-)
Sadly, some people would rather believe in Einstein than believe in something on a higher level. God is the genius of all geniuses. I am a scientist, an engineer, and I seek the truth... I think that someone smarter than Einstein is in control.
@MasterJayZhou Well now Cern lab and Fermilab have found that neutrino might travel faster than light. If this is confirmed, the Big bang theory will no longer be valid so will the theory of revolution which based on big bang.
@MasterJayZhou oops sorry not the theory of revolution, I meant the theory of evolution. But the whole things sure will have to be replaced by the theory of .....may be call revolution in the Bible.
@RimstarOrg I think this is awesome source for electrical projects, but this clip though, uum, it's NOT the gravitational force between a proton and a deuterium
that overcomes the electromagnetic force, not even their kinetic
energy from the intense heat, but a process called tunneling.
Subatomic particles can tunnel through energy barrier that something
@Alex1M6 interesting i think its because u have more time on your hands.
Think about it in school there's so much pressure to pass the next test or exam that u you have no time to have deep thoughts or even think on anything u learn in science class also dont forget bully's
very clear video, thank you :) just wonder if the fusion happens because of the gravity or the heat ... people says different. Any answer? :) thanks
KickAssPhenom 2 weeks ago
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Yeah that get's to me too, I guess the answer is both. Because without the gravity squeezing the hydrogen gas (a process which heats it), there wouldn't be an excitement (vibration) of the nuclei, which eventually leads to the overcoming of the replant force of the protons and fusion occurring.
BK0125 2 weeks ago
@KickAssPhenom Gravity forces the atoms close together, this causes an increase in the kinetic energy (movement) of the atoms which is heat, and every now and then two fuse together via quantum tunneling. At least that's the process in our sun. Version 2 of this video goes into detail on all three. To watch version 2 click on the link given at the start of this video (if your browser supports annotations) or see this video's description for a link. The added info starts at 1:33.
RimstarOrg 2 weeks ago
I find it convenient that the so called process that goes on inside the Sun mirrors our current human endeavours.
In the antiquity it was a huge bonfire (or a burning rock).
In the nineteen century,the Sun's energy was coal being consumed.No wonder because everything in our society was powered by steam.
In the modern era we got nuclr reactions.Then comes anticipation and proclaims the era of fusion.So human and wrong.
For a better explanation look for and read the "electric universe" theories.
ElectricSparq 1 month ago
Very enjoyable thank you
sprattysy 1 month ago
@sprattysy You're welcome. Glad you liked it.
RimstarOrg 1 month ago
I wrote a song about this process called Power of the Sun by Redstorm. Looks like I got the science right in the lyrics except in this video it's demonstrated the the fusion of hydrogen convert directly to a photon of light. In the song I describe fusion producing gamma rays that transform to visible light. Hope that's also correct?
itsrickinaz 3 months ago
@itsrickinaz Hey, I just found and enjoyed your song! Thanks for mentioning it. We're both correct. A gamma ray is a specific range wavelengths of electromagnetic waves. Some fusion reactions produce gamma rays. Photon is another name for electromagnetic waves, so I was being more generic. The photon in the reaction I used is a gamma ray.
RimstarOrg 3 months ago
Thank you!!!That video helped me,talking about atoms, solar energy, fusion!!!! THANK YOU!!!!!!!!
12thebeatles34 3 months ago
@12thebeatles34 You're very welcome! Be sure and click on the annotation at the beginning of the video that takes you to Version 2 of this video. Much of it's the same but it goes into more detail on the actual fusion part in the middle.
RimstarOrg 3 months ago
Umm, it's NOT the gravitational force between a proton and a deuterium
that overcomes the electromagnetic force, not even their kinetic
energy from the intense heat, but a process called tunneling.
Subatomic particles can tunnel through energy barrier that something
like a car, a tennis ball can't do.
musikpal 4 months ago
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The math is of course more complex and I can not and will not attempt it, but just to give an idea, we can roughly do simple calculation to compare these 2 forces.
Fc/Fg = (kQdQp/r^2)/(GMdMp/r^2). Neutron has no charge, so q1=q2. Mass of proton n neutron r the same so Md=2Mp. The r^2 canceled each other so Fc/Fg = (8.988x10^9Nm/C^2)(1.602x10^-19C)^2/(6.67x10^-11Nm/kg^2)(2x1.67x10^-27)(1.67x10^-27). That is roughly 10^-29/10^-65 = 10^36. So their EM force is stronger than their G by 10^36 times
musikpal 4 months ago
@musikpal I'm aware of this and agree for the most part with your comment about kinetic energy and tunneling (which seems to have disappeared). I'm planning on a version 2 of this video that addresses these as well as gives more detail of how the energy makes it's way up the layers of the sun (I had to word it carefully in this video.) This video is a very simplified version. It's taken a while to get to due to the amount of time I'll need to dedicate to do it.
RimstarOrg 4 months ago
@musikpal Okay, if you watch this video again you'll see a box you can click on that'll take you to version 2 of this video. Version 2 goes into more detail incorporating gravity, high temperature and quantum tunneling.
RimstarOrg 4 months ago
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musikpal 4 months ago
CRAZY!
invalid000able 5 months ago
Really well done.
Isn't it strange that the Sun makes fusion look so easy and effortless, and yet man has not been able to reproduce fusion?
It's like the Sun violates the "law of conservation of energy". As if it creates energy from nothing.
field16 6 months ago
@field16 Thanks. Though no conservation law is being violated there. The energy keeps getting recycled and changing form. The video shows that the 3 energy units of the original two atoms goes into 2 energy units for the helium and 1 unit to the photon. And the gravitational potential energy came from when the sun was formed out of material that was thrown out by older stars that went nova, and so on all the way back to the big bang. (I'm using the current widely accepted physics model here.)
RimstarOrg 6 months ago
@RimstarOrg My main point was to marvel at the power of our sun. Men cannot duplicate the same fusion results, which makes it that much more marvelous.
The "law of conservation of energy" was violated in what you just stated: the big bang.
Energy and mass were created from nothing. Everything around you today... was created out of nothing.
I believe it came from another universe, one that lasts for ever and ever.
I really enjoyed your animations. Good work.
field16 6 months ago
@field16 according to Einstein's E = mc^2, all of the mass has actually be created from the immense amounts of energy before the big bang.
MasterJayZhou 5 months ago
@MasterJayZhou Where did the energy come from before the creation of the universe? It had to come from somewhere. The energy could have come from another universe, the one those crazy Christians call "Heaven". ;-)
Sadly, some people would rather believe in Einstein than believe in something on a higher level. God is the genius of all geniuses. I am a scientist, an engineer, and I seek the truth... I think that someone smarter than Einstein is in control.
field16 5 months ago
@field16 haha i see where you are coming from and good luck to you. I'm just a high school student trying to get my physical test correct :)
MasterJayZhou 5 months ago
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@MasterJayZhou Well now Cern lab and Fermilab have found that neutrino might travel faster than light. If this is confirmed, the Big bang theory will no longer be valid so will the theory of revolution which based on big bang.
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@MasterJayZhou oops sorry not the theory of revolution, I meant the theory of evolution. But the whole things sure will have to be replaced by the theory of .....may be call revolution in the Bible.
musikpal 4 months ago
Very informing... not to mention the technical skills in producing such a video. Very well done! Thank you!
JSears1321 6 months ago
@JSears1321 You're welcome and thanks! It was a lot of work but worth it to see the result.
RimstarOrg 6 months ago
Excellent video, I defiantly learned something from watching it.
Its funny how when I went to school this sort of thing did not interest me but now I have left it does!
Alex1M6 6 months ago
@Alex1M6 Thanks, I'm glad to hear it. And the schooling never really ends anyway.
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@RimstarOrg I think this is awesome source for electrical projects, but this clip though, uum, it's NOT the gravitational force between a proton and a deuterium
that overcomes the electromagnetic force, not even their kinetic
energy from the intense heat, but a process called tunneling.
Subatomic particles can tunnel through energy barrier that something
like a car, a tennis ball can't do.
musikpal 4 months ago
@Alex1M6 interesting i think its because u have more time on your hands.
Think about it in school there's so much pressure to pass the next test or exam that u you have no time to have deep thoughts or even think on anything u learn in science class also dont forget bully's
FIGHTFANNERD3 5 months ago